Lighthouse Leadership (Episode 2)

Most people lead like tugboats, pulling others toward a destination and carrying the weight of every decision. Over time, that approach becomes exhausting.

In this episode, Kyle Hosick and Kim Fitzpatrick introduce the concept of lighthouse leadership and explore how creating clarity, not control, is what allows people to move forward on their own.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:00

Welcome to Legacy Live. I'm your host, Kyle Hossick.

SPEAKER_01 0:02

And I'm your host, Kim Fitzpatrick.

SPEAKER_03 0:04

Of course, this is the podcast about business, leadership, mindset. It's where Kim and I get to kind of bring our own unique perspectives together as one unit, talk about what we're doing behind the scenes to build out Lumina Legacy, and talk about everything we bring to business from our lengths of experience. What are we going to talk about today, Kim?

SPEAKER_01 0:36

So this is one of my favorite topics, which is all about the definition of leadership and everything that intersects in between it. Because leadership can be, leadership throws some people off. They're like, I don't, I lead, I don't know, I'm not a leader. I don't do this.

SPEAKER_03 0:49

You ask 10 people, you will get 10 definitions that are different of what leadership is. And I think that's what's powerful about the word. You know, I go to, I don't work inside a company, I don't have 15 employees below me. How could I be a leader? Right. But you're a leader, you know, you have the chance to be a leader every day, even if it's you sitting in your office by yourself, in your basement, in your spare room. Absolutely. You still have that opportunity to set an example for the people in your life and the people you do business with and for.

SPEAKER_01 1:20

Right. And one of the things, too, that's important to note about leadership is it can be a definition that's unique to you. We can give you our definition of leadership. And one of the things we love to talk about, and we teach this a lot, especially with our with uh the students in our cohort, is all about this identity and this idea of straddling. You know, so have you ever been, have you ever been in a conversation with someone and they're like, I read this book, and now every single thing that they've ever believed before is gone out the window and it's now just this is my new identity. This is all, yeah. And and again, I'm not, we're not, I'm not knocking that, but one of the things that I've learned personally about leadership is firmly knowing who you are. And I love the analogy of straddling. So straddling is like if you envision in if you envision one of your legs, for example, or your fingers, right? But it's your left leg is you. It's your autonomy. I like the left side, it's connected to your heart, really makes you can be visually reminding you of your self-leadership. So your left leg's planted. This is all you, which gives the right leg a little bit of opportunity to be like, oh, that's an interesting perspective. That's an interesting method, that's an interesting model. What part of that do I want to bring into the left side, or what part do I want to just keep it over to the right that I can pull from this at any point in time? But it gets to be this nimble dance of I don't have to now commit to this being everything I am, but it could really align with my value, my vision, my mission, a characteristic I really admire and a leader. And that's what I really believe leadership is. It's a culmination of all your experiences, your lived experiences, other people's lived experiences. But how do you make them yours?

SPEAKER_03 2:54

I, you know, I'm gonna add to that that it's a dynamic word too. Even the people you think are done learning to be leaders will turn around to you and say, My favorite thing is to learn how to be a better leader, even though they're 50 years deep into being a leader. Yeah. And that's that's what's most exciting about you know what we're doing with Lumina and what we're gonna bring in the future. Yeah. No secrets today. Um definition of leadership and how it changes. And we were talking before we started filming about like it's easy to look to people as pillars of leadership. Yeah, and the easiest thing you can do is say, what did they do that I admire, and how can I put that into practice today for myself?

SPEAKER_01 3:39

You know, one of the things that it was funny, I I grabbed this book because it's one of our notebooks, but it was like the some of the strongest CEOs I know and leaders I know when someone is presenting at a meeting for them, and I've observed this firsthand, they're the first people to put their phone away, laptops down, grab a piece of paper and start writing. And to me, that's I have the utmost respect for leaders that choose to learn. You know, that is really important. I remember I was, I went, went in at one point to um, you know, I was going into an event. It was, you know, a coach, and I walked in with my laptop and I was like, I'm just gonna take notes. I'm just gonna, I, you know, I'm I I and this was naive of me, you know, this is a good like four or five years ago where I was like, it's I'm just gonna catch up on all my emails. This is fine. It's uh I got to attend for free. And that was naive, very naive leadership of me, thinking like maybe I'll get it, but also to the ignorance of not being and paying attention, I would have missed everything. So the that leader, that coach, noticed my laptop. He said, Are you gonna take notes on your laptop? And I was like, Oh yeah, I'm just gonna take notes on my laptop. And he, four minutes into talking, this is what I did. Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_03 4:49

And I was listening time not.

SPEAKER_01 4:52

And I sat on the edge of my seat and I was a sponge and I was just like writing, writing. And that was a really big change, not change, because I've always been a learner, I've been a student, I've been, but it was like, at what point do you that to me is leadership when you are you can check your ego and what you think you know and give yourself permission to just be exposed to new things as well. I think that's super, super, super important. And just I wanted to piggyback a little bit too on what you were just sharing about, you know, I think a lot of people get confused with like, well, how do I know what a leader is? How do I how do I know how to step into that? And the best analogy, and you said it, it's like thinking about someone you admire. I really like that. And it's like, I think we could even piggyback and give an exercise on that is if you can't define what leadership feels like to you, well, who is a leader that you look up to? Like, do you and it's almost like if you're listening to this on audible right now and you're just like in your like, think about it. Like, take a second and think. What leader do I look up to? Two things are gonna happen. You're gonna immediately have someone else come in your head. And I this was this is Kyle's trick, not mine. And I loved when you said this. You're like, no, no, okay, now forget that person and think of yourself. Yeah, put yourself in like that. It we're so quick to think of somebody other than ourselves. And that was I loved that. I mean, Kyle just taught me that this morning, and I was like, that is a really that's a really smart reframe because you can immediately think of someone else, and then what a cool exercise to like move that other person out and put you there.

SPEAKER_03 6:29

And you have to remember that every person, whether it's in business or life, at one point was thinking the same thing you are right now. Yeah. Even the leader, the the leader at the top for you mentally is just like you. They have no, there's no difference. You mentioned a left side and a right side, they have those two sides.

SPEAKER_00 6:47

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 6:48

How they frame becoming a leader or being a leader, at some point they made the decision to learn to be a better leader. Some people are born with the skills. The smart people are the ones who continue to refine them and hone them and make them better. I'm, you know, Kim asked you to think of a leader. Think of a person that you had to be led by that wasn't a good leader. You know, I you go clear, I go dark sometimes, and that's going to be a theme of this podcast. I don't mean to be negative, but I'm sure we've all been around someone who's like, I'm stepping into being a leader. And sometimes that's the worst thing you can do is try to own that instead of live it.

SPEAKER_01 7:28

Ooh, and be it.

SPEAKER_03 7:30

That's right.

SPEAKER_01 7:31

Like we we speak a lot about, you know, especially when we're thinking about how do really, how do we really step into presence? How do we really step into deeper awareness? And, you know, I we always say this, right? The best coaches, and we'll just use that for an example because that's one of the ways that we serve um people in whether it be business or profession, et cetera, and how we serve people, but it's like the best coaches are the ones that have actually mastered themselves.

SPEAKER_02 7:58

That's right.

SPEAKER_01 7:59

Because it's not about it's not about us when we're listening to help coach someone else. Our job is to be that that lighthouse, that strong lighthouse with that light. And that I really believe like there's this cool analogy of leadership where we think about, and we talk about this a lot, right? The leadership, the lighthouse and the tugboat. And, you know, there's this lead, there's this lighthouse that is meant to stand in the port, steady, strong, shining its light. And the aim of that is to help direct the boats that can come towards the light, and they're gonna figure it out on their own path through the uncharted waters and all the sharks and the be all the icebergs, right? And they're gonna get to this thing. Now there's the tugboat, which is where some people can fall as leaders, and they're like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna come help all these.

SPEAKER_03 8:46

It's it's I can do this for you.

SPEAKER_01 8:48

And that's you can see that. You can see that in business coaches, you see that in different types of services where it's like, you're gonna learn my model and it's gonna work for you. And what happens usually, and I'm gonna say this with like the most tremendous amount of respect, is it's not your idea. So, of course, some parts of it will work, but the rest needs to be your anchor. So when someone's tugboating you or you're tugboating everyone else, what happens? It's all your energy, right? A lot of people are like, I don't think I heard this one time and they're like, I don't think I have the discipline or I can't take on the responsibility of coaching that person.

unknown 9:20

Right.

SPEAKER_01 9:21

And I was like, wow, okay, let's redefine what coaching is because you're not meant to be the one that's saving, that's right, fixing, rescuing, tugboating is very rescuing to get to the port and the tugboat's exhausted and has to take two days off to recover.

SPEAKER_03 9:36

I think the word that both of us have said the most so far, and whatever, whatever it's 10 minutes now, we're deep into this, is listening. Um, and that's one thing I learned, you know. We talked about am I a coach? Am I not a coach? I've been listening for 20 years and lit you can't lead someone who do you don't listen to. And that's the talk, the talk about is like, I'm not gonna listen. Yeah, I got this, I got you. But what the best thing about coaching that I've learned, even in you know, the last eight months, is you listen, you ask questions, and you let that boat see the lighthouse. And the funny thing is, they they're the lighthouse.

SPEAKER_02 10:18

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 10:19

And we've never talked about that part of this analogy, is sure you're the boat, but the lighthouse is inside you to figure it out.

SPEAKER_01 10:28

One of my favorite quotes, and we say this a lot, is you know, is like you can only ever meet someone as far as you've met yourself.

SPEAKER_03 10:36

Love that.

SPEAKER_01 10:37

And that's really important when you're thinking about leadership. It's like if you don't think you're a leader, well, you haven't met that part of you yet. So how are you gonna build you?

SPEAKER_03 10:47

It's important to keep in mind you can meet yourself a lot of times in your life. Every day. Because I thought at 18, I was like, I'm done. I know all there is I need to know about myself, where I'm going, what I'm gonna do. And every two years, I think it's probably changed where I was like, I had no idea I could do this or I would wind up here. And like, again, leadership's a dynamic word the same way as your life evolves. It's gonna mean something to you different in two years because you're more experienced, yeah, you've listened more, and you know, you've you've met more people to give you that that exposure to leadership.

SPEAKER_01 11:27

I was just thinking in my head, was well, I was not actively listening. Well, you when you said 18, when you're like, I think I knew, I was like, I think I was still grounded at 18. Like I got grounded in grade nine, and I was grounded for all of high school. If it gives you any.

SPEAKER_04 11:43

She was a bad girl.

SPEAKER_01 11:44

Like I right. And it's like, here's the thing, too, and the reason why I shared that, there's no point. But it's like, I love this analogy, and I was taught this once, and I can't unhear it. But sometimes I think people want to go against the grain of leadership because they've been conformed or or controlled growing up, right? I don't know that that we don't necessarily need to go there, but it's like for me, I used to always want to be a rebel. And why? So I want to be a rebel because I was like, I can do it. I'm smart and I'm strong. And that did come, that actually served me really well in my leadership. Like I was a manager at 22, hired right out of college. All my friends were going on their like away, traveling the world, and I was working, making a paycheck. Like it was, I thought I was that was so cool. That would to me was what I I wanted to be. I really wanted to prove to the world that I could be what I could get hired, and I was I was responsible. And look, and I I was thinking I was rebellious against the people that told me I couldn't. That served me well in leadership.

SPEAKER_03 12:47

Rebellion is like a negative word. No, I was a rebel positive framing I've ever.

SPEAKER_01 12:52

I was a rebel to a to the to the positive. Like I was like, I'll show you. Yeah, and a lot of my leadership came from let me show you. And I wonder if that resonates with anyone that's listening, because I had to, I actually had to separate from that unhealthy. Like we're gonna talk a little bit about comparison and healthiness and unhealthiness and like in leadership. But when I learned this, I couldn't unlearn it. It's it's the whole idea of, and then I was also a people pleaser. So I was a rebel, but I also wanted to please people. So that's a dynamic in leadership.

SPEAKER_03 13:21

Yeah. Where you can be both.

SPEAKER_01 13:23

You can be both. Yeah, you can be both, but at the end of the day, if you're a rebel or you are a people pleaser, you're still not being true to who you are.

SPEAKER_03 13:34

That's right. I I'm gonna put a spin on this where you mentioned being rebellious and someone said you couldn't do it, so that pat fueled you. Oh, yeah, sure did. That's my favorite.

SPEAKER_01 13:45

Oh, you tell me I can't do it, I'm my watch out.

SPEAKER_03 13:48

It is a hundred percent my jam when someone says, I don't think this is gonna work. I know. And you know what I've evaluated, and we haven't even mentioned this, and I feel like we should have written this on the board, is like there's a weird difference between being vindictive. So we talked about rebellion having a negative connotation. Being vindictive, I think you we would agree, is sounds negative. I'm vindictive.

SPEAKER_00 14:12

Okay, tell me.

SPEAKER_03 14:13

And I'm gonna try to tell you why this is positive. And this comes back to the challenge is go challenge me, do it because it's putting gas in my tank like you would not believe because you did it, you did it, you you I got 10 people who don't think I can do this. I'm gonna try ten times as hard. But why is the word vindication, which is the exact same thing, awesome? Right. He's been vindicated, but he's vindictive. That's bad, but he's he proved it, he proved he could do it, he's been vindicated, that's positive. I have no answer for why there's those two different polarized definitions of the same word, and I've gone on a tangent. No, I like this tangent. This I hope the same vindication fuels the listeners.

SPEAKER_01 15:01

And I think one of yeah, and one of the things this is interesting, because this is when we get to our list of characteristics. So if I were to think of like if I there were ever a list of characteristics, and I saw vindic, okay, so we're gonna we should okay, we're gonna make a list, we're gonna make a downloadable list, but like we should. If I saw vindictive, I'd be like, I am not vindictive, but I'm passionate. Yeah, and I'm I'm disciplined and I'm determined. It's like also in the words that you use about yourself because your subconscious doesn't understand whether it's kind or good. It just knows like it'll go to the negative. We are we are conditioned to be negative. So to me, that's ambition. I don't think you're vindictive. Well, it's also rebellion. It's rebellion. Yeah. And if it's, you know what though? And I agree with you, because I I guess I in my head, I could literally see, you know, when I was told I wasn't smart enough, right? I was okay, you're not smart enough to go to university, you got to go to college. Right. And I was like, fine, I'm gonna get three diplomas to show you. And then I did get the degree. Like I went for like it was like nine years of school because I was like, Vin, I just wanted to, I was like, let me show you. And then I realized that the so I, you're right.

SPEAKER_03 16:13

We just need a different word for it, I think.

SPEAKER_01 16:15

I never thought about it, but it's true. Like that rebellion, that rebellious act was still self-leadership, but it was rooted and driven by someone else telling me I couldn't. That I that can't live with you for that long because that's gonna injure you later. And that's rooted in a trauma response. And that's when you start building a business, right? My first couple, like my first business, it was like, let me show you what I can do. Still phenomenal and great and amazing. And but I built a lot of that in my masculine, you know, which is I love masculine energy, I love feminine energy, but like you need to have both. And I think I didn't realize that they both can coexist. I was just like constantly trying to prove to someone else, which now makes me think maybe I'm vindictive too.

SPEAKER_03 17:01

No, we're both inspired. Yeah. You see that that means the same thing. If somebody said, I don't think you could do it, and I and I said, Yeah, you know what, you've just inspired me. I sound like a better leader. But in my heart of hearts, I know I I'm I'm up to that challenge. And I see, I see what you think I can do, and I'm gonna prove it wrong.

SPEAKER_01 17:20

And you see, like as we're sitting here talking about this, like we want to invite you to think about that. Like, what are the words you're using that actually then maybe don't have you feeling like you're as strong of a leader?

SPEAKER_03 17:32

This is a reframe.

SPEAKER_01 17:33

This is a refra, this is our reframe. This is that very innovative way of looking at it's a softer way of allowing it to be easy. A lot of us go through life. Life is hard. You know, I I forget who said this, but it's not my quote, but I love it. It says, um, it's like Mark something. Maybe San, maybe maybe Mark Sanborn. It's you don't need a title to be a leader, but so two things he said. So number one, it's like, you know, you can't you can't gift somebody something without you accepting it first. So say you want to be a leader and you want to go run that department. You want to go be a leader. Well, you if you haven't accepted that task and those characteristics and those roles, you can't give that out. You can't be a leader unless you've accepted it. So that's one quote, right? You can't be a leader or you can't give something unless you've accepted that. So that's a great book, man Mark Sanborn. You don't need a title to be a leader. And then in the same breath is he says, When life is hard. Period. And once you know that life is hard, then you can transcend that fact and go after it. And you can start to become more anti-fragile as a leader because you know you can get through hard things. You've already done that. I really like that. It gives me this again, the reframe of being like, okay, great. Well, life is hard and we can do hard things. That's right. That's leadership.

SPEAKER_03 18:54

I love that. So, and you know, we said picture a leader, picture someone, and Kim and I truthfully we were talking about this before we started this, because I'm sure there you when you were doing that exercise to picture that leader, there's some people who you look at and you have an unhealthy the way you notice them is unhealthy. Like there's a jealousy maybe there, or there's you don't feel like you could live up to how they've developed as a leader. And I want to talk just for a minute about the healthy side of looking up to someone or being inspired versus maybe unhealthy is the vindictive, yeah, and healthy is the inspiration. I like that. I like that because I'm gonna give you an example. So you down with I live in Oakville, it's a town in Ontario which is affluent, and there's a certain section of it that is like super affluent, okay? It's amazing, and it's painful, it's been painful since I've been 25 to probably the time I was 40 driving through that part of town and thinking I can't do that. I that's vindictive, right? Where it was unhealthy. I would get home and be like, how come I'm not living there? And why haven't I put the pieces together to be one of those people? So I'm I'm looking up to them, but it's an unhealthy way of looking.

SPEAKER_01 20:19

You're like judging yourself almost.

SPEAKER_03 20:20

Exactly. Right. And I think it was the moment I turned 40, that same drive became uh funny enough, I'm using the word drive, it drove me to look at it in a healthy way and go, I am one of those people. I am going to be here one day. Yeah. And I'm gonna do it on my own terms. And when I got home after that reframe, yeah, it was inspiring.

SPEAKER_00 20:45

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 20:46

No longer vindictive, it was inspiration, and I've I said I thought I knew myself at 18, I thought 25, I thought 32. I think 40, I can officially look back on and go, okay, I got this for the rest of my time on this planet, and I reframed everything. I blew up my entire life when I was the summer I turned 40. Right. I think that's a show. No, pretty. Um it should be a I could make it a show if you want to get into what happened when I turned 40. But that's my reframe, and it's affected every decision I've made since.

SPEAKER_01 21:23

Well, it's positive, and I think that's the thing too, right? Like a lot of people are like, I'm not there yet. And you're comparing yourself and you're feeling that you're bang on, right? You're just like feeling in this, like you, and then you're like, I need to unfollow them. I can't handle this. They're so happy. They're how you can't possibly, and then you start to just get this like toxicity tied to it rather than actually every time you're pointing your finger at someone else, there's three fingers pointing back at you, which is such a powerful opportunity to say, What am I missing here? Just like you did with that reframe. And and that that comparison and that envy means that that's there and available for you. And just because you're not There yet, you can either let that deter you or you can let that fuel you and drive you and inspire you. And maybe you reach out to that person and be like, Hey, what would you what advice would you give the person like eight years ago? What would you say?

SPEAKER_02 22:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:14

You know, what would you say? And if I look at that, it's like keep going, keep healing, keep growing, forgive, like move forward. Not every relationship has to end in violence and mad and like now you hate them and they're dead to you. It's like that's leadership is being able to, you know, let people know, yeah, you were in this my you were in my life for a reason, a season. Thank you. And and gratitude and anxiety cannot coexist. Gratitude and and frustration and resentment can't coexist. So the more that you think you're not that person, or maybe you want to be more like that person, that means it's available for you, but you have to figure out what does that look like for me.

SPEAKER_03 22:56

And it comes back to the probably what's gonna become the most popular word on this podcast is you have to decide.

unknown 23:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:03

When I was I decided. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:06

What did you decide?

SPEAKER_03 23:08

I said I'm gonna stop right here and I'm gonna make the changes I need to make. There, like, is there a mistake that you just sit with and stay with because it's hard to get out of that mistake? Or are you gonna change it? You know? And I changed a lot. And I wanna say this I gave myself the time to work through the changes. I did not set a time limit because I'm still it's still I'm almost 50 and I'm still in the change. Yeah. But I can see it's it's working. Right. And I decided.

SPEAKER_01 23:46

You know, it's funny. I I remember when we this is gonna make me, I don't, I think, why do I get emotional every now and then? I'm like, let me just take a little umbrella out of my throat.

SPEAKER_03 23:54

That's like you're passionate, and I I might cry on this podcast a couple times too. I'll never the same way.

SPEAKER_01 24:00

Do you remember when we decided it was in August, and we're like, okay, let's make this super official. We're gonna like, we're gonna, we're gonna incorporate we're gonna make this a business and not like this is this is happening. We decided.

SPEAKER_03 24:15

That's right. Like, and the takeaway is for yourself as a listener here, you owe it to yourself when you make that decision. You either know whether you're serious about it or you don't. And I respected you so much that I knew when you decided you'd be in the same frame of mind. You you treated the decision the same way I did. Yeah, and there was no two weeks later we were gonna rethink whether we had decided. I knew it was the time, and then we haven't looked back since.

SPEAKER_01 24:44

No, and that's that's a real part of leadership is decision, is your habits, it's your discipline, it's your ability to have self-love. You said the word reframe, refine. That is such a beautiful word. Refinement is like, oh, that's your million-dollar minutia, right? Refinement. And it's, you know, one of um Leela Hermozzi says this. She says the most effective CEO she knows, because she's worked and built them and all the things and coached and all the things, but she says they ruthlessly audit their calendar, their schedule, their vision, their mission. We talked about this, right? You were like, nope, we're gonna do that vision audit like every quarter because yours changes. Like ours is changing fast, rapidly.

SPEAKER_02 25:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:29

Because we are changing.

SPEAKER_02 25:30

That's right.

SPEAKER_01 25:31

We're changing, we are elevating each other. And and if you have a circle that's not elevating you and you're the strongest leader in your circle, you're not gonna go there anything.

SPEAKER_03 25:40

Don't reframe it, rethink right. Like you uh it's her. You can still love everybody. It's her husband Alex, who's like if you get together with your friends and all they talk about is what's happened in the past, you're done with them. You need a group of friends that talk about the future.

SPEAKER_01 25:56

Yeah, not other people. Exactly. Like, you know, it's like where like that. The I you know, one of the things too, it's it's your energy, right? Energy is like that determines everything. So if you go out for dinner with like those people and you come back and you need to recover from that, there's a huge debt there. And that's leadership. Leadership is governance, it's it's making sure that you're honoring yourself and your family and your values, you know, and that's important. I think this was one thing I remember um with when Ed Milette said this, because his um Ed Milette's wife would plan their social calendar. And he's like, I'm not going out for dinner.

SPEAKER_02 26:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:33

And she's like, What? And she and I remember he was very kind and kind, like he respects his wife so, so much. And he was just like, Listen, like, I love that you want to do this, but could we look at doing this with this other couple? Because this is what happens when we go here. It pulls us out of the vibration that we're living in and we're moving towards. That I really like that. And he said, that comes down to values, that comes down to standards. We're huge on that, you know. Like we've had multiple conversations on standards and where we're elevating ourselves to. We don't drop below the standards. And if we do, we gotta have a conversation about it because it's not in alignment with where we're going. So, and that's a huge part about leadership is being able to have those crucial conversations without you, and you said family.

SPEAKER_03 27:13

And so I think it's easy to look at the word leadership and go, that applies to the office or that applies to my business. The best leadership that I do is with my kids, yeah, myself, yeah, making decisions that I think are right outside of my business for for myself. And I think that's the best way to think of yourself as a leader. And I I think back to what I said sometimes, I sit in my office by myself at my computer, right? But I can still be a leader, even though it's only me listening or seeing. That's beautiful.

SPEAKER_01 27:46

The other thing, and maybe this is like I hope this ruffles a few feathers, but I have heard people saying that your personal life is separate, your professional life is separate, right? You hear this like leave your personal life at the door. There is no leaving either part of you out. Like you just nailed it. Like it is one and the same. And if you feel this cognitive dissonance or this stress, it's because you are so far apart from one another and they need to come together. Leadership is both, it is not a separation between your personal life and your professional life. It is you are a leader in all aspects.

SPEAKER_03 28:20

And the way you feel about yourself at all times. Yeah. Yeah. Amen. Powerful.

SPEAKER_00 28:27

Let me just rip the mic off. Love that. Clap our thing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 28:32

And we're gonna now end the podcast and go keep learning about leadership. And that's like I said, it's dynamic and we're not done figuring it out.

SPEAKER_01 28:40

Yeah. And and that's I think the lesson we want to leave you with is that if you woke up today, you're not done. And a huge part of what we both believe in is legacy. And, you know, we both have our own stories that we will eventually start weaving in the web of how what legacy really, really means to us. But at this point where we're defining leadership, we want to leave you with what does legacy mean to you right now? And how is your leadership evident in that? Because these are deeper questions that we want you to kind of get into your brain, into your heart, which then go right into your belly. And then it starts, you start to become this. You start to be that. And the more you can be, then you do. But you need to be first, then you can do. A lot of people just do, do, do, and they don't know who they are and they don't know what they're being. Be. You know, like there's no be in leadership, but there could be. It would be great if there was, but leadership has to be about the being, not so much about the doing.

SPEAKER_03 29:44

Love that.

SPEAKER_01 29:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:47

Cherry on top.

SPEAKER_01 29:48

So, with that, we would love. Subscribe to this show. That's right. We'd love for you to share this, share your takeaways, tag us on Instagram. Like, we want to know your how your feedback, what's resonating, what you want to riff more on, what you want us to discuss more on. Like, this is a this is a relationship now.

SPEAKER_03 30:06

Talk, send me an email and tell me whether you're inspired or whether you're vindictive. I would love to keep riffing on that. I want to know. Because I know some of you are like, yeah, I'm totally vindictive.

SPEAKER_01 30:16

I love that. And that's a little provocative. It is, it's a little uncomfortable.

SPEAKER_03 30:20

I don't want to own that I'm vindictive. I probably shouldn't even have said that. But then I said it too.

SPEAKER_01 30:24

I was like, gosh, am I they made me think. I was like, uh, is my in spite of that's vindictive? It is. And that's healthy, that's okay to know. Super healthy. That's healthy to know. As long as you can see it as, you know, and then you've been vindicated. I loved that. That was so cool, right? It's like vindication of like, no, you're free, you've done that, right?

SPEAKER_03 30:44

You're the hero at the end of the story if you're your own story, too. That's right.

SPEAKER_00 30:49

Touche. I love it.