Come Get Some Liver

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I've had two coffees and I'm probably gonna make myself another coffee that is decaf because obviously I don't need any more. Anyways. Can you find that? I never find that ever. If I have espresso martini or a late night latte, I can go to bed no problem. I think it probably triggers a little bit of anxiety for me. Yep. Fair, fair. Which I'm really dancing with the devil on that one because it's so good. But I'm doing this carnivore thing, right? Where I'm just like eating meat and coffee with butter is like, that's like my treat. Yeah, that sounds so good. Oh god, I love butter. Welcome to Tell Me Something You Don't Know, where we explore curiosities without credentials. We're your factually adjacent hosts, Maddie and Sarah. Every week we exchange random topics with just enough research to keep things interesting and slightly accurate. So lower your bars and let's learn something you never knew you wanted to know. My topic today is I'm so excited. Human organ transplants. Okay. I did not think. You know what's so fun about this podcast is yeah, I guess I have zero expectations, and that's what's fun because whatever you say is like I'm very excited. Transplants. Okay. Organ transplants. But let me say, because I feel like you hear transplants in the medical field and you're like, God, like what a crazy, like sad. Obviously, your people are getting transplants for like really sad reasons. Every time I'm in the medical field, I am absolutely thinking those things whenever I'm in the field of of medicine. Of medicine. But the reason that I think it's so fascinating is like I think of oh shit, who's the author? Frankenstein, Mary Shelley? Is that her or no wait? Margaret Shelley? Shelley is Frankenstein part of it, or did you just have a seizure? No, Frankenstein is part of it. Is the first name. Mary Shelley. Yeah, Frankenstein. Frankenstein. Like the monster.

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Yeah.

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Okay. Wait, no, you have to explain yourself. You just said Frankenstein, and then you said a normal name after. Because Mary Shelley is the author of Frankenstein. Yes. Gotcha. Off to a good start. I love it. This is the best start you could have in a podcast like this. I've always been fascinated by the story of Frankenstein, which I feel like the first time I read it, I was probably in like high school, but I really read it and like dissected it in university. And it was one of my like favorite books. Interesting. Because it's just so good. It's like a classic gothic tale. Okay, but thinking about Frankenstein, ultimately, like why the the whole thing of Frankenstein is like pieces of body that are like pulled together to create this monster. And obviously, the more realistic version of that in real life is like transplants. Like it totally insane to me that somebody's heart, probably one of the craziest ones, is just removed from a human body. Yeah. And then put into another one to revive that person and have them like live. Which is also just causes you to think, what is the meaning of life? I'm just I'm just kidding. But kind of like I'm sort of like, if my heart can go into someone else's body, then like who am I? Like who yes. Who or if my brain, I don't know if brain transplants are a thing, probably not. Maybe one day, like if a piece of even like a piece of your brain, then would you get some of my personality? Like, I guess if it's not a thing, we don't know. But anyway. I mean, I'm gonna cover that. Oh, oh dang. Oh dang. Okay. So a little bit of like we're gonna like touch on a few different things. Historic his story his story. His story. Probably true. It usually is his story. Okay. One person can save up to eight lives and improve over 75 others through organ and tissue donation. Okay. I would have thought more lives, but with the like add value to or however you said it in a more eloquent way makes sense. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. With with the, I mean, and that's keeping in mind, obviously, that the body that is donating. Like I guess if you let's say this is we're gonna get morbid for a second, but let's say that you were like in a car accident and all of your organs were like perfectly functioning prior to that. You lost your life, but they're all still fresh. They're still fresh. Um, you could take uh 75 like small pieces and up to like eight bigger organs that are like life. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like you can't take a heart out and have someone be fine, but you can like a a piece of a liver would be all right. This is coming from my medical field. Okay, so the organs to date that are possible to be transplanted are kidneys, liver, heart, lung, pancreas, and intestine. Lungs are weird. I know. Just in general, wild in general. Um, additionally, tissues such as corneas, so parts of your eye, bones, tendons, skin, and heart valves can be transplanted. Oh my god. And you can even transplant full limbs. Well, speaking of Frankenstein. The most recent like success story in transplant is actually the full eye has been transplanted as of 2023. Like full eyeball, not just like the cornea or like something, like an entire eyeball has been removed from somebody else's face and socket and placed into another person successfully, and that only happened in 2023. No. Do you think there will be a cosmetic element to this in the future where it's like, you know what? I really fucking wanted green eyes. That's the thing. I went down a deep rabbit hole on Instagram of this like procedure. Okay, but well, different, I guess, because it's not tran it's not like eyeballs, but it's like injecting dye into your like the color part. Is that the cornea? I don't even know. It looks very unnatural. I feel like it's probably at the beginning stages of being a thing. It will only get more, I think increasingly, or you know, where I could see it is people mess up their faces and bodies with current plastic surgery so badly that they're like the only way to get you to be normal is to let's swap these lips out. Yeah. I mean, which is like really wild. And I will say, just uh like off the top of this, this is a this would move into like a different kind of territory, but just know that also human organ trafficking is a thing. Yes, yes, and it's over, it's like over a one billion dollar industry. I bet which makes sense because obviously these are big procedures. We know that there's like massive wait lists, you need to have match matching like blood, blood just the word blood, just blood, it's gotta match, gotta line up. So people who are like, Well, I'm gonna take matters into my own hands, anyways. Very, very interesting. Oof, yeah. Okay, so now let's talk a little bit about the history. So the first verifiably documented transplant, because skin is an organ, is a skin transplant, which was in 1869. Okay, and it was by a Swiss surgeon. Very Edgeen. Like Ed Geen was a serial killer who took people's skin. Sorry, hard left turn. But see, there's such a crossover with this topic and like horror, and like really well, obviously, but like it's just so yeah. So this was he used small samples of epidermis pinched or shaved off of superficial layers of skin. And this pinch grafting is still used up to this day. It also was used frequently um in the burn treatment unit, obviously during like World War One. And then in 1950, so that was in the late 19th century, and then 1953 the first uh transplant, which was a kidney, and it was uh a twin. So a twin gave one of his um kidneys to his twin, and that was the first like successful and they and obviously this has been practiced and studied and tested a lot in the last couple hundred years, but like unsuccessfully. Um so that's a little bit of the history. Okay, so now some fun facts. Both a living and deceased donor liver can be split into two parts and regrow. Yes, I think I knew this. I think I knew this. I thought like that's the only thing I think I know, but I think I knew that part. Yep. Which yes, which like if you if you happen to eat meat, you know, people in the meat eat world, people in the eat meat world, which is still sounds ridiculous. Still not great, not great. Um, know that liver is like incredibly nutrient-dense, yeah. But like I've always struggled. I'm like, yeah, I know it's good, but like I'm struggling with eating it because it is also the organ that detoxifies, and also apparently it can literally regrow. And there's something about that that's like oh, never thought about that. I take it in like pill form so that I don't have to think about it. But now I'm thinking about it. Now I'm thinking about it. Uh in another world, that same liver that you're swallowing could just re-maybe. I'm growing a couple livers right now. Bovine, baby. But yeah, so similar to a starfish, the liver can repair itself and grow wow without tissue loss or damage. When a living donor donates half of their liver, it will regrow in their body to normal size and be fully functional in about six weeks. What? Yeah. So then how come people have like liver like dialysis and stuff? Or is that kidneys? I literally don't know anything about this. I don't know why I'm asking questions. You're asking the wrong girl. I don't know. Please proceed. What you said made sense, but then also what you thought maybe it is supposed to be also made sense. Also, I guess there's like supply, like you need to, there needs to be available kidneys. It's probably like a perfect storm of uh everything aligning. You can't just like pop a yeah, yeah. You can't just be anybody's like you it blood type is a factor, I think, in most, if not all. Maybe not skin, like and freshness, yeah, and freshness. Yes, um, organs can stay on ice for up to 36 hours, yeah. Um, but they they can they can be preserved longer now with like advanced technology and like some sort of pump, which is kind of like crazy as well. But yes, and a living donor can donate up to 66% of their liver, which is like quite and when I thought about this before, I was like, if you were somebody to do that for something else, of course, so kind. Like, you know, the liver is really important, so it's like, well, so I've got 44% left of my liver. Like, that's like but then it technically would regrow, right? Within six weeks. Yeah. I didn't know. And I'm like, cause because man, come get some liver. I'll give you liver. She'll be back in six weeks. Six weeks capacity. Seems like a good business plan. Obviously, the body is not built to do that, but could you imagine there a future, like a future state where yeah, where you're just like, hey, I have typo, so like you know, I'll give me kick me 5k and I'll kick you a piece of my liver. Yeah, and over to you next, but give me like a couple months. Yeah, I need a few months to just regrow my liver. Okay, so if your body rejects an organ, the donated organ can't be reused, which I but I it's so sad to think. Yeah, it's like ah shoot, maybe that could have gone to someone else. A fecal in brackets poop transplant is a real procedure. Okay, so I did not look this up. I did not know it existed, but I looked it up because someone I know was having like specific pain in their body, and they were like, This is gonna be terrible. I'm gonna have to get a like a poop transplant, and I'm like, or a fecal transplant. I'm like, Why is it? Yeah, that that would suck. And then I'm like, what is that? And then I looked it up and I wish I didn't. You knew, yeah, isn't that crazy? But explain it to me again. I think I might have like started and then got afraid and stopped. Okay, so if you have, and there's some kind of big medical word that's a certain kind of infection in the colon, which is also known as your large intestine, apparently. I honest to God did not know that. Yeah, I'm pretty sure it can happen after very severe aggressive antibiotics. It like throws off your a fecal transplant can help clean out the bad bacteria. Fecal matter or poop is taken from a healthy person and transplanted into your colon. This healthy poop contains good bacteria, which flows through your colon to fight off harmful bacteria. And also, who discovered that? Who was like, okay, listen, hear me out. This might seem crazy, but what if we put this little poop in this person's body and see what happens? I imagine it really just becomes like a okay, well, if that worked, let's try this. Because I would like, I think that you can get like white blood tra white blood cells transplanted, I think, or even like bone marrow. And and those things are well, not bone marrow, but white blood cells are used to like attack bad things. They're not good for you. Right. So, like if you can do that and you successfully do that, you probably are like, and I bet you there's a future, and maybe there is even now. I don't know how deep you could go, but like the healthy bacteria that your gut needs, you know, people really struggle to maintain that, and they're in like a vicious cycle of constantly going on antibiotics, but then having to like the never-ending tale of antibiotics.

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Yeah.

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So it's like, well, let me put some of this from this person who has a good microbiome into you and like see what I anyway. Oh, the poop thing is crazy. That's nuts. I don't know how I feel about you. And like, can I know this person? I need to have an understanding of who the person is. Or like, can I not? I don't know what's better. Like, I don't know what you want more to like look someone dead in the face and be like, I got your poop in me. Like, I don't think that that's better. I think it would be better to just be like, this is fecal matter end of story. Yeah, yeah, true. Maybe it would be better not to know. Two more things. So, one, nerve regrowth naturally happens after a solid organ is transplanted into a living person. So, when a transplant happens, no nerves are connected. Which is weird because I think when I imagine that happening, you've got to do like a little bit of like tee tee tee tee tee. Yes, surgeons do not have to connect to them. This is different than a limb or face transplant. Face transplant. I think I kind of knew that as well because again, like, well, I think that's more skin. I think it's more yeah, skin's probably got a little more. Yeah. And then the final thing to touch on your initial question is there is no current available proof or like knowledge that any transplant of any organ being put into another body will lead to personality changes. So, but I do think to your point, like we're not trans currently, and I bet you this could be different someday. It's if we're transplanting any part of the brain, I think that that would be maybe different. Um, have you ever seen poor things? No, please watch it, but also like strap in. I'm excited for you to be like, what the hell are you having me watch? But it's I think it was in it's incredible. So okay, okay, makes me nervous, but I will, I will do it. Okay, especially given the segue. It feels exactly scary. On that note, I am finished. Go watch poor things if you haven't. Interesting. Also, how do you become an organ donor? Is that on your license? Are you an organ donor? Yep. I wonder if I am. You have to like check a box, right? Yeah, you probably did that like forever, because then you just keep getting it renewed. You're just like, yeah, always and forever. I remember someone we know, I won't say their name, but they were like, I said that I would be an organ donor for everything but my eyes. Because what if I need those in the afterlife? I'm like, oh shoot, I don't know. Now that you say it out loud, yeah, it makes sense to me. Like, checks out, checks out. It is fair. Like, that is, but then you're just like, I don't know. There's a couple things that I would feel a little more attached to. I don't know. Like my heart. Yeah, over to you. Okay, so I'm just gonna ask when you close your eyes, what do you see? Oh, I'm already really interested in this. It's just like black, but with like a red filter. Okay, okay. And if I were to tell you to like picture an apple in your childhood room, I don't see it, but I imagine. Like I'm imagining it, but it's not like in front of my eyes. Okay, good. Because I had the craziest conversation where I was the only one who had that answer. Everyone else was like, I can see it. I'm like, no, you can't. Like, I literally did not believe them. They're like, oh yeah. And if you tell me, like, I see to uh picture a field of flowers, I see it. I'm like, you're no, you don't. You imagine it. It's totally different. Yeah, no, I'm not seeing that. All right. Well, my topic is the mind's eye and why people can't picture beaches. Oh, beaches. I mean, very specific. No, no, no, it's not, it's more so just like a fun little tagline. So not everyone like us can actually visualize. Some people see vivid images, which is called hyper fantasia, which is a fun thing to say, hyper fantasia. And then others see nothing like us, with which is aphantasia. And then most fall somewhere like in between. We're gonna touch on quickly what is the mind's eye, which is what I think we are describing, where it's sort of like you're able to recollect. So mental in imagery is the ability to create sensory-like experiences in your mind without external inputs, like remembering something. So, an everyday example is replaying a movie scene, mentally walking through your house, remembering a loved one's face, and the spectrum is ultra-vivid. This this is these hyper fantasia folks, and then average imagery, which is like decent clarity but not photorealistic, which as I'm saying that out loud seems insane to me because I literally just see black. Or like if I see something that's not black, it's because it's lighter in the area that I'm closing my eyes in. It's not because I'm like, oh, I see a shape, or if I stare at a light or the sun and I close my eyes, I see like the light imprint. Okay, yes. Okay, I have two things to just add before you continue. Uh, please, always. Oh, one question, but like you'll probably get there, is like, what is more common? Yes, I'm going to, but yes. And then two is the first thing that I think of for those who vividly see something every time they close their eyes, is like, I'm tired. Okay. How exhausting. When you're when you can't sleep, yeah. Is it literally just like a crazy march of like everything that you're thinking about? Yeah, like, do you have to be like, think about black? Like, think about an abyss. Picking this topic was difficult for me because when I had this conversation with people, I did not believe them and I still don't believe it. Like, even when I'm reading it, I'm like, can I pick a topic that I don't agree with? Anyways, I'm gonna keep going. But I feel duped by literally anyone else who doesn't align with being Afantasia. I feel lied to. I feel like it's the Truman show where everyone has agreed that they are going to say this insane thing around people who as a joke and make them feel crazy. Because I'm like, that's impossible. It does feel impossible. I think it's that they don't understand the question correctly. And this is why I struggled with picking this topic, because I basically am like, I don't believe it. And it might, and it might be science. So I agree, but like I I agree, but there is no way to uh to say that without sounding so condescending, so rude. Like I'm like, no, like your experience as you experience it is absolutely invalid. Until you prove it to me, who proves nobody, by the way. It just seems so insane to me. So I feel like we are aligned on the fact that we are Asthasias, yeah. So we no imagery at all, knowing without seeing, which is absolutely correct. Like, if I visualize your face, I'm not visualizing it, I just know what you look like. Yes, yes, yeah. Which is why I feel like they don't understand the question. I feel like whoever asked these questions didn't specify, but that's fine. That's fine. I'm full of opinions around things I absolutely have no business having opinions about. The science. So brain activity. So imaging studies show that visual cord. Light up in both seeing and imagining. So the difference is the strength of the connection between frontal command areas and visual cortex. Listen, do I understand anything I just said? The answer is no. Fun fact Aphentiasia was only formally coined in 2015, which is like very recent, obviously, but described centuries earlier. So the prevalence, uh, it estimates two to three percent have strong Aphentesia, Madison. Two to three percent. Wait, and that's the one where they can see it. Us. Us. What? No. Yes. See, this is what I'm saying. This is what I'm saying. That's absolutely this. I feel like we are mythbusters now. This is no longer tell me something you don't know. This is like tell me something and let my very layman ass tell you you're incorrect. That doesn't seem at all possible. Two to three percent. Because I was literally gonna tell you that whatever group of people you were around and they were like, yeah, that's how I see it. I was like, they're lying to you because they probably feel like it's cool to be able to actually see it. Yeah. So and then I also pushed because when people are like, Yeah, no, I can see, like, yeah, I can see it. I'm like, hey, but do you literally see it or can you think of it? Like, can you imagine it? If I say scissors, is this literally in like no in front of you floating? This is how this is how you ask the question. Everybody listening, if you take an object, I have a pair of scissors in front of me, and you put them in front of you and you're looking at them, I can see those scissors. As soon as I close my eyes, can you still see those scissors? It's darkness, it's black, it's nothing. If I see it, I might see an outline, but it's only because I'm looking at it in front of a light, and the light burns into my retinas. I can still imagine with my eye closed, like this exact set of scissors, but I can't see them anymore. So we are part of the two to three percent that have strong aphantasia. 10 to 15 percent, which is considerably more than two to three, have hyperphanasia. So the like vivid you're able to see, and most fall in the middle. So I feel like something we should do, not right now, but like as homework and that we discuss, and then maybe other people do it as well, is the vividness of visual imagery questionnaire V V-I-Q for short. It's a three question test and see this is the thing. Three questions, you're not getting the right answers with three questions. Like there needs it needs to be unpacked more anyway. All right, so the real world impact, if any. So everyday life, obviously, affantastic people, Afantastic. I mean, I'm getting a hat and it is going to say Aphantastic on it. So Afantastic people might struggle with face recall, but excel in facts or logic. More incorrect information. We do not excel with facts, maybe logic, as long as it's like, you know, very simple. Interesting. Just I don't believe any of this. Hyper fantastic people might have stronger autobiographical memory. So life, movie, real. Actually, okay, so now that I say that out loud, I have to talk to Matt about this, my partner, because he has like a photo. Maybe that's what photo memories are. Like, you know, or you know how people are have a photogenic. Is it photogenic? No, but that would be that you like look good on camera. That's definitely not it. Maybe just a photo, photographic memory. That was that's a mad lib. Wow. You know what? You could have kept talking, and I would have been like he'd be like, yes, photogenic memory, faux show. Incredible, but yeah, you do have to ask him. Or like someone who does have a photographic memory. It's weird that if you can't see it, that you would be especially good with facts, because I would assume your recall would be better if you could visualize it, anyways. This whole thing is just blowing my mind. Yeah, creativity. So some writers, engineers, artists have aphantesia and thrive. Oh, it's like they're saying it like, some are fine, don't worry about it, don't feel bad about yourself. They're just they're they just use different strategies. It's like a learning disability. Yep. And then dreams. So many people with aphantasia still have vivid dreams. I do, do you? Yes, like I have, but then I thought I was thinking about it, and I'm like, do I have vivid dreams or do I have vivid like feelings? No, I do have I see stuff. Yeah, I definitely see stuff. Yeah, I definitely see stuff too. So they still have vivid dreams because dreaming and voluntary imagery uses different brain systems. So obviously, when you're dreaming, you're not choosing that. Yeah, it's happening to you for some reason that we have no idea. Maybe that's another topic some other time. But voluntary imagery uses a different brain system. So other things that we see with our eyes closed. So phosphenous are flashes of light when you rub your eyes. So, like, like if you press on your eyes, even like obviously not hard. Don't nobody go and yeah, hurt themselves. But yeah, like I you could see stars or like kind of like I don't know, right? Or like I see specks sometimes. Yes. If I'm dehydrated, sometimes it'll be a little bit more like blobby, maybe. Yeah, but that's like my body's reaction to something. It's not me being like visualize blobs, it's just like this is what your body's doing, so you're along for the ride.

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True.

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And topic phenomena are floaters and blood vessel shadows. So you have floaters, don't you? I for sure have both of those things because what? Yeah, I see like the black dots, but then also like in certain lights, always on an airplane. If it's like daylight on an airplane, I I don't know why, but uh always on an airplane, my I can see like vessels, which is really nice. Weird vessels, yeah. And it's my eye because when I move that eye, the the vessel shapes like move with my eye. Nope. Hate that. Maybe you should get an eye transplant. Call back visual noise is grainy or static from baseline brain activity. I've never experienced that. Hype oh, I can't say this word. Hypnogogic, no, hypnogogic image. I don't know what that is, imagery, vivid visuals before sleep. I actually do get that. So I will, I feel like hallucinate as I'm falling asleep. Sometimes I will like see a person at the foot of my bed or like in bed or like okay, interesting. I so, but okay, that's different than I think what I was gonna say because sometimes I have such vivid dreams, I guess they're dreams, but like I think that it's actually happening to the point where I wake up and I know I'm awake. I'm like, I'm up and I will strip my bed because I was confident that there was like a massive spider. Yes, and it's for like 20 minutes of you're like, oh you're a brain betrayed me. Yeah, you're like that wasn't real, yeah. Yeah, so that happens, or like when we were little, I remember we would talk about how you would see worms on your pillow, like you'd see worms, and you'd be like grabbing at the pillow, being like, get off, and then all of a sudden they disappear. But you're awake, it's not like you're dreaming, you're like, I'm standing up freaking out about worms. So that's hypnagogic imagery. And then Charles Bonet syndrome, hallucinations when visual input is lost. Feels like we should have more information on that. I do not have it, so Google it if you wish to be more educated in the Charles Bonnet syndrome. And yeah, that's really it. So some people see vivid pictures, some see nothing, and both are and some are somewhere like in between. That's really, really crazy. And I also, yeah, I'm like, I don't believe those numbers exactly. Me neither. I can understand that it's like an interesting topic that's up for debate because you can't, there's no real way to prove it. Yeah. It feels like we are overlapping two tests. It's like before you ask the questions, you should specify when you close your eyes. Obviously, you see nothing. Yes. And then when you think about something, you still see nothing, but you can like visualize it abstractly. Yes. I started off with this, and all of us were, I was like, nope, I see black, and everyone's like, What really? Like, I can picture my room with an apple in it. And I'm like, no, like I I know what that would look like if I were to paint a picture or if I were to try and describe it to somebody, or I can experience the feeling of knowing what that is. Yeah, I can walk myself into my room and there's an apple in it and tell you every detail. Yeah, like I'm not literally looking at that. No, I'm not like, oh, it's not like VR where you're like, let me, I'm not physically in here, but I can see everything. No. I'm very grateful that you feel the same way because I was like, if you're who's related to me gonna tell me that you can visualize very distinct and very specific images when you close your eyes, I'm gonna feel very concerned. Yeah, worried. Deeply lied to. Either there's something really wrong with me or like, yeah, you have you asked Matt yet? If he no. Yeah, you gotta see. And try and explain it maybe in a way where like I will. Yeah, because he's gonna want to be special. He's gonna want to be like, Yeah, of course I do. Of course I do. This is why I think in some circles for sure, people are like, Yeah. And then as soon as you react, like, what? Yeah, they're like, ooh, yeah. Yeah, and then you you have like a you have a you're like, do I double down and say that yeah, I for sure do, or do I say that I am incorrect? And people are I just am shocked that two to three percent. Really, I feel like the bigger portion where it's somewhere in the middle, just like don't understand the question. Agreed. And then there's these crazy people who can actually see it. Yeah, that feels more likely. It feels more likely, not even 10 to 15%, but it feels more likely that like five percent have this crazy thing because there's also people who can um they relate colors to things, so like numbers, I think is a specific there's a name for it, but like the let the number six mean. Yep. I've met somebody at the gym. They were telling us about this and they were peeing themselves laughing, explaining it, because she's just she's like, right, guys, right? And we were like, no, no, not at all. And she's like, Yeah, like numbers are there's specific numbers that are girls and specific numbers that are boys. And I'm like, uh, like is it odd and even? She's like, no, like there's it's specific numbers that are boys and specific numbers that are girls, and it is not odd and even, it doesn't go back and forth, it's like specific ones. I'm like, that's wild. Like the human experience is so incredibly different because when I see a number, I just see a number. Yeah, I mean, same. There's no color, there's nothing, it's a number. Also, it's perfectly. I wonder if I'm like, maybe I misunderstand with what aphenticia is. Like, I don't know, but my mind is blown, is what I know for sure. That is a good one because I do genuinely feel out this question and topic with me to places and be like, I'm gonna need to ask you a quick cue. Yeah. Hey, my name's Maddie. Uh, here's something I do need to know before we continue our conversation. I'm gonna bust that out in interviews. Be like, listen, great, you seem qualified for the job. However, do you see if I tell you to visualize an apple, do you see it? Little do they know, depending on what they say they will or will not get the job. You're gonna be like, oh, you're one of those. Just kidding, to those who are like, it's a thing. Yeah, this is heavily weighted towards all of this being a hulk. But I'm sure there will be people that are like, no, it's true. Yeah. Anyways, that's my topic for the week. That's wrap. See you all next week. Bye.