True Ghosts Stories from Medical Professionals

What happens when the people we trust to save lives encounter something they can’t explain?

In this episode of Voices From The Attic, Paranormal Mystery Author Terri Reid and researcher Andrew T. Reid explore true ghost stories and unexplained experiences shared by doctors, nurses, EMTs, and other medical professionals. From strange voices in empty hospital rooms to patients who seemed to know things they couldn’t possibly know, these firsthand accounts blur the line between science and the supernatural.

Hospitals are places where life and death exist side by side—and many who work there have stories they never forget.

Join us as we discuss eerie encounters, unexplained moments, and the chilling experiences that make even medical professionals question what they saw.

What do you think—are hospitals haunted?

Physicians' Untold Stories: Miraculous experiences doctors are hesitant to share with their patients, or ANYONE! by Scott J. Kolbaba, MD (Author)  https://a.co/d/0ennHBEJ

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Join Paranormal Mystery Author Terri Reid and researcher Andrew T. Reid as they explore ghosts, cryptids, alien encounters, and other unexplained mysteries.

If you'd like to share your opinion, thoughts, or your own paranormal experience with us, please contact us at vftattic@gmail.com. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

The nurse had worked night shift for eight years. She didn't believe in ghosts, just exhaustion, stress, and overactive imaginations. Room 312 had been empty for two days. At 217 a.m., the call light went on. She frowned, glanced at the board, still unassigned, and walked down the hall anyway. Sometimes faulty wiring triggered these things. When she opened the door, the room was dark. Still. The bed was neatly made. Then she heard it. A soft, rasping voice from the bed. Can you help me turn? She froze. Every instinct said someone was there. But the chart rack was empty. No patient ID, no recent discharge note. Slowly she stepped closer. The bed dipped, like someone shifting their weight. The nurse backed out of the room without turning her back, pulled the door shut, and stood in the hallway trying to steady her breathing. At the desk, she checked the records again. Room 312. Last patient, elderly male. Respiratory failure. Time of death. 217 a.m.

SPEAKER_00 1:34

Listen closely. Old walls still speak. Some things are hidden, not to be forgotten, but to be kept. The old house remembers what others forget.

SPEAKER_03 1:46

What is remembered is most truly.

SPEAKER_00 1:50

Listen closely, and you too may just hear voices from the attic.

SPEAKER_01 2:09

Hi. Welcome to Voices from the Attic.

SPEAKER_04 2:15

I'm Andrew T. Reed. I am a researcher, editor, podcaster, son, Terry's son. And I'm a big old giant nerd.

SPEAKER_01 2:29

I'm Terry Reed. I'm an author. I am now a podcast person, uh researcher, um, storyteller. I think I love that thing most. Well, no, not more than mom and grandma. So I I love those the most.

SPEAKER_04 2:42

You can admit it. It's fine. You can admit it. She hates being a mom.

SPEAKER_01 2:46

I'm Andrew's mom.

SPEAKER_04 2:47

She loves being a grandma, though.

SPEAKER_01 2:49

I I love it all. And uh hey, welcome. Today we're gonna talk about some of my favorite things. These are stories from medical professionals, doctors, nurses, who have had paranormal experiences. And what I love mostly about these is these are not people who normally want to share this information with other people. And as a matter of fact, um, let me show you this book.

SPEAKER_04 3:15

I I also feel like not only do they not like sharing this, these kinds of stories, but also so there are a few professionals, there are a few professions that often deal with the the valley between life and death. Right. Um medical professionals are absolutely one of them. Also military personnel uh and military personnel. Police officers. Police officers. There's yeah. There are there are a lot of interesting professions that either deal with that valley between life and death, or um there they are professions that deal with going to places that are uncommon. Right. Truckers is one of them. There's actually a few books about you know truckers. I would love to do an episode like this on that eventually at some point in time.

SPEAKER_01 3:59

Police law law enforcement we need to do that.

SPEAKER_04 4:02

Absolutely. And and there's already an entire YouTube channel dedicated to military stuff. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 4:06

But by the same Right, right, right, right. About paranormal experiences military people have had.

SPEAKER_04 4:13

Yeah, but but I mean, this is gonna be the plug beforehand. If you are a professional uh that has any of these kinds of jobs, night watchmen, security security, oh yeah, I bet security.

SPEAKER_01 4:28

Any of those, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 4:29

Anything along those lines, and you have a story you'd like to share, please head over to or or email us at vftaddic at google.com. So vt is voices from the yeah, voices from the attic. Attic uh VFTAdic at gmail.com so that we can we would love to share your story uh and you know get spooked ourselves. That's right.

SPEAKER_01 4:52

So let me quickly plug this book. This is Scott J. Kul Colbaba, M D. That sounds about right. Um, and this is his book, and he was very nice. I I um had a friend, Ophelia Julian, who you guys probably those of who follow me know that Ophelia and I are good friends, and she writes paranormal uh mysteries but for young adults. And she had gone to listen to um Dr. Cobalba speak in Chicago, and he was the one that and and she told me it's called Phys Physicians Untold Stories. Say that one more time more into the mic. I yeah. Physicians Untold Stories. And so I contacted him and asked him if I could use a couple of his stories for one of my freaky four days Fridays, and he I can't speak. Freaky Fridays. One of those freaky four days. That's right. And he was so gracious. So you can get his book at Amazon, and I'm gonna be sharing. Am I gonna be sharing right now a couple of those stories? You can if you like get the ball rolling here.

SPEAKER_04 5:57

This is definitely gonna be a story-centric episode where we're just gonna be sharing various stories from these medical professionals. Um, so tuck in, relax, turn on the fire if you have one. Don't set your house on fire if you don't have a fireplace. Um pull open a nice glass of something. Cup of tea. I've got a monster energy. Ultra strawberry dreams. That's what I'm gonna be drinking.

unknown 6:26

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 6:27

So here we go. The young man had come from a family of doctors. His grandfather had been a doctor, his father was a doctor, and he decided that he was gonna be a doctor too. He worked hard through medical school in his residency. Finally, he got his first job in California. On the day before he was gonna start, he called his father. Dad, I've finally become a doctor, he said with pride. No, son, you are not a doctor yet. His father's reply was disappointing. Hurt and a little angry, the young doctor replayed the conversation over and over in his mind, and he was still thinking about it as he drove to his first day of work the next morning. But that thought was pushed out of his mind when he saw a young boy standing on the corner of the street frantically waving him down and motioning him down a side street. He turned down the street and his heart dropped. A school bus accident was right before him, and it looked like he was a first responder. With the help of area residents, he helped get the children off the bus and quickly assess their injuries and stabilize them before moving on to the next victim. Finally, he moved from the curbside into the bus to locate any other children. In the crumpled and twisted front of the bus, he saw a body. He hurried forward but could tell that this little boy had not survived the crash. He felt for the pulse, and he knew instinctively there would not be one there. And then he gently turned the boy over. A cold chill ran through his body as he recognized the child. He was the same little boy who had been standing on the corner frantically waving for help. Later, he called his father and told him about the incident. At the end of the conversation, his father said, And now, my son, you are a doctor.

SPEAKER_04 8:35

I I'm always curious that that that those bookend ideas where I'm not you're not a doctor yet, now you're a doctor. I I I gotta wonder what part of the experience, you know, makes him a doctor. Is he saying that because my mind it could be two things? It could be either you were a first responder, you got flagged down, and you were able to use your your medical and just first responder skills to help a bunch of people outside of the hospital. That could be what makes you doctor, or is his dad saying you're not a doctor yet until you see a uh a supernatural paranormal paranormal encounter?

SPEAKER_01 9:16

See, I'm guessing because this that he's done his residency, he's done you know all of those things he needed to do. So he had hospital experience.

SPEAKER_04 9:24

He's had hospital, but not I mean, I guess a lot of a lot of doctors not all have to rotate through if and I know that there there are certain first responders that have to take uh that have to be part of like paramedics and and ambulance the ambulance rides and those kinds of things. Um but not everyone who does that has to be adopted.

SPEAKER_01 9:43

Right, but if you rotated through ER, he would have seen trauma victims. He would have but he's I guess it depends. I guess I take it, I take it that it was the dad saying Sorry, um now we're having an earthquake in Illinois. Um I take it that it was the dad saying the paranormal experience. I have to say, as an aside, when uh when I was a freelance um writer for the journal standard, one of the things I would do is they um our local uh medical network, Freeport Health Network.

SPEAKER_04 10:13

Yeah, FHN.

SPEAKER_01 10:14

Right. They had a um, I think it was once a month, they they did a two-page spread um in the paper. And it was it was advertising, marketing. And I wrote um ghost wrote all of the doctors' articles. I would interview the doctors, but they never have time to You ghostwrote?

SPEAKER_04 10:33

That's really spooky.

SPEAKER_01 10:35

So um so I'd interview the doctors, and then I'd have to do research on, you know, whatever they they say, yeah, Terry, I want to talk about this. So I do a bunch of research on that and then try to write it in their voice. And uh, but at Christmas time, I wanted I don't know if Freeport Health no wanted it, but I did. I wanted, I wanted Christmas miracle stories. Sure.

SPEAKER_04 10:57

And so I would interview these doctors and I would say Which I think is probably more flattering than around Halloween time doing, you know, these are all the spirits in, you know, because do you have ghosts following you?

SPEAKER_01 11:12

No, I would do, and I can't tell you how many doctors first of all appreciated the fact that they weren't just talking about uh, you know, uh new blood pressure medicine or you know, how to cut it, whatever the they're not talking shop. Right. They were talking about and so many doctors, especially surgeons, told me about experiences where they knew that they were not the ones driving the bus. Interesting. They had spiritual and and very religious, you know. Uh they felt like they were given help interesting in order to save a life. And so I I that's why I'm thinking that this from that experience, I'm thinking that this dad is saying this because of the paranormal. So I'm gonna go on and do one more and then I'm gonna toss it to you to do one.

SPEAKER_03 12:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:02

And okay, I I won't I'll just go into the story and not talk about anything. She was dead, no question. Eyes closed. I'm not doing the Marley thing.

SPEAKER_04 12:16

The story, if for everyone's reference, the story is called Mary's Christmas Carol, which is why I was giggling. I don't know if you heard it for those of you listening, but I did giggle a little bit at what what does it start off with?

SPEAKER_01 12:28

She was dead, and it doesn't say to begin with.

SPEAKER_04 12:31

No, but it does definitely start out. She's dead. She it begins. She was definitely dead to begin with.

SPEAKER_01 12:37

Yeah, she was dead, no question. Eyes closed, no pulse, no heartbeat, no respirations, no movement, and unresponsive.

SPEAKER_04 12:45

Dead as a door uh doornail.

SPEAKER_01 12:47

Maybe, yes. Doorknob. I don't know how it happened. It was a routine ankle surgery. Mary was given general anesthesia and went to sleep. But when her antibiotic was given intravenously, she arrested. Her monitor showed a flat line, and I immediately called a cold blue. The operating room was suddenly filled with people. Our scrub nurse initially started to do CPR, but Mary was over 300 pounds, and my nurse was not tall enough to adequately do compressions. One of the OR techs with striking red hair rushed in from the room next door and took over. Young and relatively inexperienced, the redheaded tech was not doing the compressions well enough to generate a pulse. So I asked him to step aside. He did not move. I asked him again, but again, no movement. I still couldn't feel a pulse. In the heat of the moment, politeness is sometimes compromised. I gently but firmly elbowed him out of the way. The text stumbled away and I took over. I had to do the compressions forcefully in order to achieve a pulse, and in doing so, I felt her sternum and possibly one rib crack. After several minutes and some cardia meds given intravenously, Mary regained a heartbeat and started to breathe on her own. She did not wake up until after she was transfer transferred to the intensive care unit. Cardiologists took over and multiple tests were done, including a coronary angiogram, but nothing revealed the cause of her arrest. We assumed it was a reaction to the antibiotic. Mary was a little dazed for several days, but eventually recovered, and after one week she was ready to be discharged. I stopped in on her last day to give some final instructions about the care of the ankle. Thank you for saving my life, she said in almost a whisper. I thanked her for her kindness, but I told her it was really a team effort. No, she said, I know it was you. Oh. I watched you from above the operating room. When my heart stopped, I could feel myself floating above my body, and I watched everything. I saw the young orderly with the bright red hair come in from next door and do CPR. And then I saw you elbow him out of the way since he would not move when you asked him. You saw him stumble, didn't you? Her statement gave me goosebumps. There was no way she would have known this unless she was right there observing in the in the room. There's a little bit more to this story, but because of space, I'm not going to share it all. However, the doctor does go on to say that there was no way she could have discovered what had happened from anyone else.

SPEAKER_04 15:46

That's cool. So that's it's less of all haunting and more of a it's an out of body experience.

SPEAKER_01 15:51

It's a paranormal experience. Yes.

SPEAKER_04 15:53

That's yeah. Yeah. And it's also, you know, both of those are the first one is tragic, but it's also heartwarming a little bit because of the fact that this little boy, even though he perished, he wanted to save the lives of his friends. And he did.

SPEAKER_01 16:09

Yes, he did.

SPEAKER_04 16:09

He saved everyone else. And then this other one. And that's the thing, you know, ghost stories don't always have to have a uh, you know, even if they are a little bit tragic, they don't have to have an unhappy ending. There can be some very positive, uplifting ghost stories.

SPEAKER_01 16:24

Well, it and a lot of it is your idea about um what happens in the afterlife. Yes.

SPEAKER_04 16:30

And so it's also very true. Um, from what I've seen so far about this next one that I'm gonna share, uh, I don't think this is gonna be one of those. Okay. This is uh this This is not going to be uplifting. This is a but this is on the spooky note. Okay, uh, spooky side. So this is from BuzzFeed. Uh it's from the I guess article. Nurses share times they saw a ghost. So it's not gonna be one of those happy okay. Oh, and you'll you'll see within like the first couple sentences. I think the first sentence starts off. A nurse friend working in a nurse home.

SPEAKER_01 17:09

Maybe a nursing home?

SPEAKER_04 17:10

Yes, you're right, a nursing home. I just I I'm surprised that it starts off with a nurse friend working in a nursing home and one of her patients. Oh, I see, okay. And one of her patients, a man in his 80s, whom we'll call Sam, was rumored to have been involved with one of the more infamous crime families. He may have actually been a hitman and had spent many years in prison before being paroled as an elderly man. Side note, I think they're called cleaners or uh fixers.

SPEAKER_01 17:40

Um not hitmen.

SPEAKER_04 17:42

Yeah. Well, they're still called hitmen, but what would they put on their resume? Janitor.

unknown 17:48

House painter.

SPEAKER_04 17:49

House painter. I know one of the big uh in Hollywood, the one of the jokes is accountant, because everyone's an accountant. So if you're an accountant, you could be an accountant.

unknown 17:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 17:58

Or you could be hitman. Anyway, one night while assisting a patient, she suddenly heard a man screaming. She and the patient both looked into the hallway outside the room and were horrified to see Sam being dragged down the hallway by two figures dressed all in black. She dropped what she was doing and dashed into the hallway, but no one was there. The exit door at the end of the hallway was still closed, locked to the outside, and the alarm was on but silent. Two other residents who root routinely kept their door rooms open at night had also seen some black-clad figures dragging Sam down the hallway toward the lock door. Running back to Sam's room, she found that he had passed away quietly in his bed, and nothing in his room had been disturbed. One of the residents she, sorry, she and the residents were convinced that on that night they saw Sam's soul being dragged to hell.

SPEAKER_01 19:04

Ooh, you know, remember the movie Ghost? Um I don't you never saw the ghost.

SPEAKER_04 19:11

Yeah, I never saw ghost. I know of the scene.

SPEAKER_01 19:13

Oh, I can't believe it.

SPEAKER_04 19:15

I know of the the iconic scene.

SPEAKER_01 19:18

Well, because there was if I mean Patrick Swayze was a good ghost and he was trying to finish unfinished business. So like like that pottery, you know? Yes. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 19:30

That was unfinished pottery that he was helping, you know, to finish.

SPEAKER_01 19:33

So that was his it was his wife. It was a special moment.

SPEAKER_04 19:37

Hey, it was a very special moment.

SPEAKER_01 19:39

Anyway, so in the movie, the bad people, the when they die, there's these demon-like dark things that gr literally grab them and pull them into like I would guess hell or the New York subway system or something like that. Which very crazy. Yeah, very similar. Or the sewer system. I mean, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 20:03

I mean sewer systems in New York sewer systems, I mean there's white alligators in there. Exactly, which I think sounds like hell to me personally.

SPEAKER_01 20:11

But anyway, they they were that's how they uh the the people that died that were good didn't have these demonic whatever's grabbing their souls and sucking them down.

SPEAKER_04 20:22

I would I would imagine especially so if this is him getting dragged to hell, because because it could be multiple interpretations. Um it could be him actually getting dragged to hell. It could also be he didn't want to die. And so he was holding on, and he was holding on, he was holding on, and so these things had to just actually like it was his time, they had to rip the soul out of his body. Oh, that's not a very No way we look at the story is very uplifting or positive. That's right. You know? That's true. That and it doesn't mean that he's going that he's going to hell necessarily, but I could see it where he's just holding on and he doesn't want to go because he doesn't know what's gonna happen, especially if he's So does like Satan say, Rocky, Bruno, go down and get Sam. Is that like the grim reaper is like, hey, this guy is being very difficult. Could could I get some help?

SPEAKER_01 21:19

Could get bruisers that go down there.

SPEAKER_04 21:21

I I mean probably. I would imagine most of the if there's like a Reaper squad, they'd all probably be, you know, bruisers.

SPEAKER_01 21:27

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 21:28

So that'd be that sounds like a sick concept for a movie. The Reaper Squad. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:38

It's it, yeah, that sounds that's being around Congress. One politician that is a time. I know, right.

SPEAKER_04 21:45

If you guys look, I don't need to have my name on the script itself. If you guys if somebody hears this concept and decides to make a movie about it, I would just like a little percentage of of the finances that you make. That's all I'm asking for. Um Yeah. Okay. Yeah, no, I mean because it it could be it could be that. Uh what was I there was another thought that I had there as well, but I don't remember. Oh no, it reminded me a little bit of the scene from the mummy.

SPEAKER_01 22:16

The chariots, yes.

SPEAKER_04 22:18

Yeah, where the chariots kind of come and and rip the the soul from the mummy's body.

SPEAKER_01 22:22

Right. Or or at the end. Or I guess the more time. It falls into the in all the arms, same idea.

SPEAKER_04 22:27

Well, and and the that's why the chariot is at the end as well. You know, that kind of thing.

SPEAKER_01 22:33

Mummy one, mummy two.

SPEAKER_04 22:34

Oh, we're talking about, yeah, different. You're right, you're right, you're right.

SPEAKER_01 22:37

I was still thinking of is it it's not a happy ending.

SPEAKER_04 22:42

No, no.

SPEAKER_01 22:43

Wow.

SPEAKER_04 22:44

Well, and and that's the thing, because it's ambiguous. We don't know, we don't know if he actually, like I said, we don't actually know if we have time to help. He doesn't want to go wherever he thinks he might be going. He did, but we don't know. We don't know.

unknown 22:58

We don't know.

SPEAKER_04 22:59

That's the beautiful thing about the afterlife. We the only way that we could find out is if we're there.

SPEAKER_01 23:04

Or we have an out-of-body experience and come back and tell people about it.

SPEAKER_04 23:08

True, but also some of these out-of-body experiences could just be coma dreams. I'm not saying all of them are, but I'm saying scientifically.

SPEAKER_01 23:18

So we will be doing a podcast about out-of-body experiences, so I can show Andrew what truth is.

SPEAKER_04 23:24

I'm not saying that it's I'm I'm not saying this is incorrect. Science is gonna dismiss it often.

SPEAKER_01 23:31

Science is actually coming back and saying there's something to it. That's I will literally read an article this week about it. So we'll go there. I could be wrong. All right, I'm going to hop in with uh Yes. I used to work in a state institution for the developmentally disabled. This is from all nurses.com general nursing discussion. What's your best paranormal story? Okay. These are good. Okay. We were temporarily relocated to another building for remodeling of our building. Anyway, I was working one night, second shift. We had a locked Pika unit, and Pika is um uh um a disorder where you where people eat everything and not food.

SPEAKER_04 24:18

I mean they not to be confused with Pikachu, who is a an electric mouse.

SPEAKER_01 24:26

No, this is this is Pika. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 24:28

Okay, though Pika and Chu are very related, I would imagine.

SPEAKER_01 24:34

I wonder if that's where they came from the name.

SPEAKER_04 24:36

Um probably not because it's Japanese. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 24:38

Anyway, going back to the plot podcast, um, we had a locked Pika unit. I saw one of the residents walking down the hall. Very distinct gate and a very distinct yellow t-shirt with a happy face on it.

SPEAKER_04 24:52

Just for my clarification, when you say gate, you mean like walk. Okay. Not like he had a very he was carrying around a distinct gate. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:04

No.

SPEAKER_04 25:05

You have to knock before you can talk to me.

SPEAKER_01 25:07

No, um, no, this would be a very distinct way of walking. Okay. And a very distinct yellow t-shirt with a happy face on it. I went into the ward to let the staff know that they had an escapee. This was a serious situation because this particular resident, Larry, would ingest absolutely anything from clothing to pens to belts to a bird's head. Ugh.

SPEAKER_04 25:32

Is this patient Ozzie Osborne?

SPEAKER_01 25:34

No, yeah. No, that would have been a bat, right?

SPEAKER_04 25:36

I guess, yeah. Yeah, it was a bat. They're not birds, technically.

SPEAKER_01 25:40

Anything.

SPEAKER_04 25:41

Ugh.

SPEAKER_01 25:42

He was also very reluctant to go back to his home, his home ward, hence why I didn't bring him back myself. He needed at least two escorts to help uh manage him back. He was a bigger dude.

SPEAKER_04 25:54

I mean, if he's eating everything, yeah, that makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 25:57

Um we got back into the hall less than 15 seconds later, and Larry's gone. We searched the entire building. Outside, downstairs, all wards. He is nowhere to be found. This whole search lasted less than 10 minutes because I had all extra staff looking for him. I was just about to call the house supervisor to let her know that we lost someone. When out from the bathroom walks Larry with one of the staff. He had been getting his bath in the bathroom for the last 30 minutes or so. Kind of freaky. I absolutely, without a doubt, saw Larry in the hallway. I never would have short staffed the wards like I did if I hadn't seen him. Like I said, very distinctive gait, his look, his clothing. I took a lot of razzing that night. They all thought I was crazy. Anyway, come to find out the next day, after the story goes around that I'm crazy, Larry had an identical twin brother who died in that building ten years previously.

SPEAKER_04 27:04

I was about to say before that last little bit. I was like, that that seems like a perfect story for the last episode. But no, this is that's that's wild. Yep. That's cool. I like that. Um I'm gonna go back to the the previous uh buzzfeed of the um before I go into um maybe a different source. But um let's see, okay. If you are skeptical about ghosts, I urge you to work in a hospital. This is how the story starts. I used to think ghosts were nonsense, but no, they are a hundred and ten percent real. I learned that early on when I started working in hospitals, and over the years I've seen hundreds of ghosts. It's an incredible thing to witness. There was a woman who used to walk up and down one of the wards. She was yes. She was elderly and wearing an old hospital gown. I would follow her sometimes, and she would eventually walk through a wall and vanish until the next day. Working in the morn sorry, not the morn. Working in the morgue, I saw a beautiful woman who apparently was a mortician years ago. She would suddenly appear, smile, and then walk through the morgue. I saw her during an actual autopsy once, which scared the life out of me. If it scared the life out of her, then she wouldn't be able to, or they wouldn't be able to write this article.

SPEAKER_01 28:43

Almost scare the life out of her. Almost?

SPEAKER_04 28:46

She just said it was scared the life out of her. Okay. So or or him. I I don't know, the the gender of the person. Okay. Um, I heard her chuckle after I shrieked. I also often saw a man walking hand in hand with what people believe to be his wife. They would walk by, nod, and then vanish. Lastly, an encounter I remember best was when two girls were giggling in a corridor. I never saw them, but they could be heard giggling every night. And then as you got closer, you would hear their feet as they ran away, still giggling.

SPEAKER_01 29:26

That is crazy.

SPEAKER_04 29:28

I mean, I like it, but I don't like that.

SPEAKER_01 29:29

Right, right, right, right, right. So I'm trying to find one. Um, one of my one of my favorite readers, his name is Rusty, and he lives in Connecticut. Um, he will send me ghost stories. And thank you, Rusty, for doing your due diligence. Thank you. Yes, he does. It's really cool.

SPEAKER_04 29:49

If anyone else wants to, you know, send it out. And so um But do it through the the email and not through. I mean, I guess you could also send us through, you know, through Facebook. Uh we need to make a Facebook page, probably. Oh, that'd be cool. Yeah, I know that we have if if we haven't made a Facebook page yet, you can also hit us up through Terry Reed's Attic as well. This is kind of this falls under the umbrella of Terry Reed's Attic since we're the voices within Terry Reed's Attic. So um, yeah, that would be a good Facebook page with that, as well as an Instagram page. And also, if you go to Terry Reed.com, uh, she does a lot of freaky Fridays and everything like that. We get some of our sources and inspiration from those articles. Years and years of writing scarce. There's a lot of really good spooky things there. So if if you're looking for more spooky things, and if you want inspiration for like if you want to read some stuff and then go, oh, that's right, I did have an experience like that, then you know, please by all means uh do that and then reach out to us.

SPEAKER_01 30:50

So this is what Rusty shared with me. Um his partner, Dan, um, he said, uh, I want to tell you about the ghost that Dan saw while he was uh hospital police at uh Collier Hospital on Roosevelt Island in New York City. He was sitting at his desk and the hospital had an elevator operator for a particular elevator. There were others further away, but that one needed an elevator operator.

SPEAKER_04 31:16

I'd imagine that business probably has its ups and downs.

SPEAKER_01 31:23

Try the veal. The guy's name was Elmo, but not the Muppet.

SPEAKER_04 31:33

That would be honestly terrifying. The elevator opens. I can't do Elmo's voice.

unknown 31:39

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 31:40

Uh he had gone on his meal break. A nurse comes around the corner. He said she had one of those older nurse uniforms, but he didn't think much about it. She went to the elevator out of his sight. He called and said, I'm sorry, but the elevator opera's on break. You'll have to use the other elevators. No answer. He called again. Nothing. So he gets up and goes to the elevators to see where she is. Nothing. She couldn't have gone anywhere else because she would have had to go back in front of his view. He goes back to the desk. Elmo returns and he says, Boy, did I have a weird experience. He tells Elmo about it. Elmo says, Oh, you saw the ghost. I love when people do that. Oh, yeah. Just the ghost. NBD. He thought Elma was teasing him. Elmo said, Okay, so this is what she looks like. Yes, that was the nurse. She and her sister were both nurses in the hospital. This particular nurse's husband thought she was having an affair. He shot her and her sister, and she died. Now, years later, he was now a patient there as the hospital had become a nursing home. And that's where he lived. I hope she was haunting the hell out of him.

SPEAKER_04 32:55

You know, it's interesting. This is, you know, this is gonna be a tangent. Uh what? A tangent on voices from the attic? Crazy. Never do stuff like that. No, never. Um, it was a tangent based on a conversation you had with, I believe, Kathy. Um, Chriso from Haunted Rockford. Yes, yes. And also others from Haunted Rockford as well. Where you're talking about because my exper my knowledge, my thought, my thought process when it comes like cemeteries. Okay. I never assumed that cemeteries were haunted because you know, when somebody dies, they die somewhere else. Exactly. Yeah, the the the cemetery is filled with the sh the old shells of bodies. But um, what they brought up, and I think is very interesting, is similarly to this, often it's like if if a man has scorned a woman uh or murdered a woman or something like that, often the the spirit will kind of this is that whole idea of like, you know, when it comes to forgiveness, forgiveness is more for you than for the person. When they die, there's a or when when when the person dies, they are just angry at that person in the afterlife. And so even when they die and they're buried, often that spirit will be connected to that dead body. And so often it's like this this was a a really bad dude that that is in the cemetery. It's not his spirit that's in the cemetery, though. It's the it's the spirits of angry people who he had, you know, murdered. Right, vengeful spirit. Vengeful spirit. And so that's you know, that it's similar to that, though it doesn't sound like the spirit was necessarily vengeful.

SPEAKER_01 34:39

She was just there at the hospital. And it could be that she was there at the hospital, whether I mean it could have been just an aside that her husband was now there. I mean, she just could have been haunting that hospital for years and years and years because that's where she died.

SPEAKER_04 34:51

Yeah, or maybe, you know, she caused whatever illness that dude had, and now she's pretty content. I I hope not. I hope that's not it.

SPEAKER_01 35:00

But you know, no, I don't know if ghosts can cause I don't know. I mean, they could certainly cause psychological issues. Absolutely. I don't know if they can give sicknesses.

SPEAKER_04 35:09

Well, if a psychological illness would Well, that's true. That'd put you in a nursing home. Yeah, well, also it it would often psychological things then will affect our bodies.

SPEAKER_01 35:18

It's true. But the fact that the he was jealous of something that wasn't happening and he went in. Yeah, I was gonna say he didn't have need anybody to give him a chance. That's true. That's true. I've got one speaking of pushing, but you go ahead and No, no, you you first, you first. Oh, okay. I just finished, but okay. I guess it wasn't pushing. Well, you'll you'll see. I heard a story once, and again, this is from that same nursing, uh, general nursing discussions about paranormal things on all nurses and general nursing. I heard a story once about a fifth floor neuro unit. This was told to me first person. Nurse was at the desk, and a guy in white nursing garb came through the double doors, walked into an empty room and didn't come back out. The nurse thought it was weird, so he went into the room and it was empty. He went to the double doors and opened them, and there were two respiratory techs talking at the entrance who swore they'd been talking the whole time and nobody came through the doors.

SPEAKER_04 36:18

Interesting.

SPEAKER_01 36:18

When one of his co-workers returned from lunch and he explained what happened, she said, Oh, that's just Bob. Actually, I don't remember the names. The name was changed to protect my ignorance. He worked here as an LVN years ago and was accused of molesting a child. He was sure he was about to be arrested, so he jumped out the window in that room and killed himself. We see him all the time. That's a sad and strange story.

SPEAKER_04 36:50

That whole situation sucks. Yeah. That's the worst. I guess this is this is a question. I don't know if this would be necessarily for this episode or for or for another episode. Um but you know, hospitals and morgues are very closely related, and this might be like maybe a sneak peek to another episode we end up doing. I know that Nathan.

SPEAKER_01 37:15

Oh, but that's a military one.

SPEAKER_04 37:17

That is a military thing, but that's a morgue. And it was it a military hospital?

SPEAKER_01 37:21

Yeah, it was he it was a Dover Air Force Base.

SPEAKER_04 37:23

Yeah, but where they I know it's a military morgue.

SPEAKER_01 37:26

No, it was just no normal Dover Air Force Base is where when our our troops get killed overseas, they fly into Dover. Gotcha. All of those, and so Dover's morgue was where So it's not it's not connected to any kind of hospital at all.

SPEAKER_04 37:44

Okay, so that doesn't so that's a sneak peek for another episode we'll be doing later. Yes. Uh I don't know when exactly.

SPEAKER_01 37:51

Um we got yeah.

SPEAKER_04 37:53

We're gonna be doing those when you know I'm a hundred years old and you're yeah when when when the voices from the attic are like when we're actually both dead. When we can't make it up the attic stairs. Voices from the living room. Yeah, we'll we'll you know we'll work it out. We'll we'll build a set that looks like an attic. That would that would be actually really sad. I I would love to be able to always have the voices from the attic be in the attic. Be in the attic. And if if we end up not being able to be in the attic, then we'll just you know branch out and call it something else. Let us know if that's something you guys would stick with. Voices from the kitchen.

unknown 38:29

Voices from the bug.

SPEAKER_01 38:30

Voices from the bug.

SPEAKER_04 38:31

Voices from the studio that we built outside of our haunted house.

unknown 38:36

The airstream camper.

SPEAKER_04 38:37

The airstream camper. That would actually have like a ghost story podcast on an RV that just like kind of goes and and goes to because there are a lot of cryptids in various different national parks and everything. Yeah, it's a travel, yeah, it's a travel show. Travel channel. Hit me up. I'd be I'll be happy to be the host for a traveling podcast slash um.

SPEAKER_01 39:02

We already have a traveling podcast, but the traveling is in our minds instead of on the road.

SPEAKER_04 39:12

Okay, you're not wrong.

SPEAKER_01 39:14

Getting back to the podcast.

SPEAKER_04 39:15

Okay, so this is from Ranker. There are a few different stories here. I'm gonna because a lot of them from Ranker are pretty short, I'm gonna do two stories, and then I'll I'll I'll hand the mic off to you.

SPEAKER_01 39:28

All right.

SPEAKER_04 39:29

Um this first one is there was an old lady who insisted So I guess uh this person starts by saying, My aunt is a nurse and told me some stories, but this one stuck with me. There was an old lady who insisted on being strapped down at night in her bed. She told my aunt that there was a dark figure that was trying to grab her and take her out of the room where she would die. My aunt and other nurses oblige, and for the next few nights she would check on her and would look as though someone was trying to pull her from the bed randomly while she slept. My aunt was My Aunt is then off, and whoever is this lady's nurse does not strap her down at night. Nurses found the old lady dead, lying on the floor by the door, her hands stretched out past the door and into the hallway. It's very interesting. Similar motif. Sam's friends. Was she a hit person? Or somebody else who doesn't I mean, she said there was an old lady who insisted on being strapped down at night in her bed. That could just be somebody who doesn't want to die.

SPEAKER_01 40:42

And maybe, you know, maybe but she was saying, I mean, uh I I've heard so many neat stories about and and even hospital stories about people coming because they're, you know, their relatives are coming to take them over to the other side. Right, which not dark, angry shadow figures.

SPEAKER_04 40:58

That's true. I don't want to assume that this lady is an evil lady because of the way that she died. Um, I'll be kind of gnarly, but like you're right. I mean, and I guess I wonder if there is a difference between somebody who, you know, has friends on the other side who have kind of come to accept it, and that's why they are so okay with being dead versus or so okay with passing versus people who are scared. For whatever reason, they're worried about passing over to the other side. And maybe even after some harbingers or whatever have come to try to bring them home safely, they're like, nah, I don't want to go yet. I I I can't, because I don't want to face the consequences of whatever things I feel like I have done in my past.

SPEAKER_01 41:47

But you just kind of wonder what it would it the the the idea of her being strapped into her bed seemed to save her. That's true. And and then all of a sudden the night that's a physical thing too. Right. The night that they didn't strap her in because her aunt wasn't the the nurse then, something did yank her out of the bed.

SPEAKER_04 42:09

I gotta say, it doesn't matter how old or young you are, getting yanked out of a bed, especially dark, shadowy thing. Well, and just in general, getting yanked out of a bed in a hospital where I know that the floors are generally cold, cold tiles. Right. That would hurt anybody. I mean, that's not a pleasant. I feel bad for this woman. That is not a pleasant way to go. Yes. Um, second one. And then we'll bounce back to you. Okay. Um this is a this is a pediatric, oh, it's a pediatric hospital. That's sad. I worked in a pediatric hospital and had always heard that the fourth floor, right outside our oncology unit, was haunted. I worked 312s normally, but would pick up overtime and picked up a night shift. I was working in the NICU, which happened to also be on the fourth floor, but on the opposite side. The oncology unit had a staircase that was a shortcut down to the cafeteria, which was on the second floor. At about 3 a.m. Witching hour. I was gonna say also known as the witching hour, I was ready to take a short break and wanted a cup of coffee from the cafeteria, so I decided to take that staircase. I walked through the automatic double doors and saw a kid skipping down the hall. I called out to him as I was afraid a little kid had snuck out of a patient room. As soon as I called out to him, he turned and, in the blink of an eye, totally vanished. A lot of other nurses and doctors had seen the seen the same little kid skipping in the same hallway. Of course I talked it up to just exhaustion, and didn't really think about it much after that. But you are damn sure I didn't use that hallway at Night ever again. When I said that word, Ash, he was looking down and he went, Oh, I said a naughty word. I said the damn word. So that's I mean, yeah, whenever whenever child ghosts show up, I always get a little extra sad. Or creeped out. Because it's either a child who might have passed away. And that's always sad. Because, you know, a child dying is never is never pleasant. It's never fun. Or it's something to pretend pretending to be a child.

SPEAKER_01 44:35

That that's that that's the part that that concerns me. You know, when you when you uh hear the stories about children passing who have passed quickly and maybe don't know that they've passed.

SPEAKER_04 44:48

And so Which is good, actually. That in my opinion, if if they died quickly and and Yeah, and don't know.

SPEAKER_01 44:55

And and so they're still playing with the ball or running down the hallway or doing those kinds of things. I get that. But there the you're right. There there are those again like um our last episode when we're talking about mimics. You know, I wonder if other things, entities don't mimic children because they know just like the voices, they know that most people um first of all find children innocent and harmless. So we'll trust the black-eyed children. You know, they put whatever they are into these bodies of children. So your natural inclination is to trust, even though you shouldn't be.

SPEAKER_04 45:38

Yeah, yeah. No, but this one sounded like it was just straight up a child, and that's sad, but also since it's a child that might be maybe playing or something, it sounds like hopefully it was a child who was able to pass away peacefully.

SPEAKER_01 45:55

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 45:57

Hopefully.

SPEAKER_01 45:58

Hopefully. Okay, so this is actually a story that happened to me, and I had written it for uh a Freaky Friday, and so I'm just gonna read it the way I I wrote it, if you don't mind. Yeah. The nurses were part of a local woman's group who'd asked me to speak about ghost stories. They all worked at the local nursing home, and they had all been part of the same experience. Martha was a sweetheart. She was one of those patients who never had a bad word about anyone. She was sweet and pleasant with an optimistic attitude, even though she was confined to a bed in one of the nursing home wings. One of the nurses asked her how she could be so happy given her limitations. Well, my dear Freddie comes and visits me every night, she confessed. And we have the most delightful chats with Freddie. I don't feel lonely at all. Freddie had been Martha's husband and had passed away five years earlier. The nurses chalked it up to early stages of dementia, but figured it wasn't hurting Martha to have her fantasies.

SPEAKER_04 47:05

It's like it's like the um equivalent to a child's imaginary friend. Right. But her um imaginary uh husband, not really imaginary, I guess, but and yeah, I'm sure that it's gonna have a fun twist.

SPEAKER_01 47:21

Okay, here we go. It wasn't hurting Martha to have her fantasies. That is, until one night, about the time Martha said Freddie always visited, one of the nurses happened to look down the corridor and saw a strange phenomena. The space in front of Martha's room was different. It was wiggly, the nurse explained to me. You know, like when heat is rising from asphalt and the air above it wiggles, except it also sparkled. They waited until it disappeared and then hurried down the hall to Martha's room. Martha, Martha was smiling and very animated, the nurse said. She explained to us that Freddie had just left and wondered if we had seen him. The night she moved on, we saw it again, another nurse added. We were at the nurse's station and we watched the sparkling, wiggling air movement. There were no air vents or heaters in the area. A few moments after it disappeared, the monitor went off in Martha's room. We hurried down and found that she had passed on. She had the sweetest smile on her face, and we all agreed that Freddie had come to accompany her home. I like that. Very comforting. And as I said, I was in, I was at the lean, it was the Lena's women's group that I was telling stories to. Okay. And so I would tell stories, and then people would, you know, tell me their stories. And there was a whole group of these women that worked at the nursing home, and they they were the ones that told me this interesting. Interesting, interesting.

SPEAKER_04 49:01

I bet one person was probably talking, the other one was like, yeah, you know, nodding their heads. And I do think it's interesting that there's sparkling, because you know, I've I've never heard of that. And I've, you know, my first maybe I won't say mean, but but maybe a little bit too jokey thought was Freddie became very flamboyant, apparently, you know, showing up with uh with sparkles and everything. But, you know, if it maybe it it's there to show the onlookers that Freddie or or you know, Freddie or who she's calling Freddie isn't dangerous, I guess. It's it doesn't, it's it's not a dark shadow. Right. It's it's light. It's light.

SPEAKER_01 49:43

And maybe the sparkle is more prism than uh, you know, that's fair. It's not glitter.

SPEAKER_04 49:48

Yeah, because they do say sparkle, not not glitter. That's fair. So it could it could very well feel like it's coming from maybe like a different spectrum or something.

SPEAKER_01 49:56

And and it's light. And that's see to me, that's some of the difference between these stories that we've been telling. You've got light, and a lot of the stories that I've heard about people coming and seeing their relatives, you know, it's light. Yeah, and the dark ones that we have come that talked about today, especially is you know, the ones that I've primarily have been right. These are dark entities, yeah. So very, very interesting. And one of them is a lot more optimistic and hopeful than you know the other. And and comforting. It's like, yeah, I want the person who loves me the most in the world to come down and and walk me to heaven. Yeah, that'd be a cool thing. Absolutely. And then I don't have to be afraid.

SPEAKER_04 50:36

Yeah, well, and and also somebody who I miss already because they're there's somebody who's already passed away. And so, you know, it it makes it less of a scary path that you have to walk by yourself to a reunion.

SPEAKER_01 50:47

Right. Yes, yeah. That's what it feels like. You're graduating rather than Yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 50:52

Ooh, I like that. I got I'm about to get all choked up and stuff. That's that's really good. Um okay. Here's a here's another one. Also from Ranker. I'm a psychiatrist, and during my training years, I worked for six months at a ward treating patients with depressive and anxiety disorders. I'm gonna stop here and say, I'm sure I I hope that this doesn't go into like asylum territory. Um I I would imagine that we could probably do multiple episodes on on multiple different asylums. Unfortunately, the reason why asylums tend to be a lot more haunted, I guess, is because the people who are running the asylums often dehumanized the patients that they were not not always, but the notoriously bad ones they would dehumanize the people who were part of that was because um money was pulled away from these asylums and you had you had workers who were responsible for 40 or 50 or 60, they just couldn't take care of them. As well as there were doctors, because unfortunately funds were pulled away because some of these places also had been doing some like experiments and trying to do experimental drugs, and they were they decided that since these were patients who were not mentally cognizant, right, they could do whatever they wanted.

SPEAKER_01 52:12

Well, and that's true. You you had some crazy doctors with crazy ideas.

SPEAKER_04 52:16

Yeah, I mean I've I've heard about some gnarly things that that doctors did with children patients and theses, and it's really, really, really tragic and sad.

SPEAKER_01 52:25

All right.

SPEAKER_04 52:25

Um, so I hope that doesn't as I hope that's not where this goes into.

SPEAKER_01 52:28

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 52:29

Uh I guess we'll find out.

SPEAKER_01 52:30

We'll find out.

SPEAKER_04 52:31

So, psychiatrist training during training years worked for six months at a ward treating patients with depressive and anxiety disorders. It was an old building that had been housing psychiatric patients since the mid-1920s. On our floor, we had 13 beds and a nurses station, a living room, and a few conference rooms. One day, a few weeks in, I'm interviewing a patient who, when asked about sleeping patterns, tells me she heard a baby crying at night, waking her up. There are no babies at that at that hospital, as the place is situated far away from housing areas and there were restricted visiting hours. Afterwards, the no the nurse pulls me aside and tells me that the bang excuse me. I'm gonna restart that. Afterwards, the nurse pulls me aside and tells me that the baby crying thing is not a psychic symptom, a psychotic symptom, excuse me. She is very serious about this, but won't elaborate. I kind of shrug it off as either way, it does not change the diagnostic or treatment, and I forget about that experience. Around three months in my stay, I sit in the nurse's station, and three nurses behind me are talking. One of them says, She's very active today. And the other says, Really? Oh, I hadn't noticed. I turned around to and asked them who they are talking about. They look at each other, and then one of them hesitantly says, Well, there is a baby here. She cries sometimes. I of course say, No, but they just kind of shrug and smile. Not thirty seconds later, I hear it. It sounded far away, but not too far. A cry, clearly a baby's cry, sounding like it is separated from us by maybe two or three walls. I am perplexed and look at the nurses. They look at me like I told you so. I of course ask about this, but they can't say anything else. This faint baby cry is there and has been there always. Since then, I heard it maybe two or three times a week. I told a new doctor about it who laughed. However, a few weeks into her stay, she came to me white as a sheet and told me she heard it on her coffee break. All the nurses just kind of knew about it. And being in psychiatry, hearing that kind of stuff is not really gonna is not really something you brag about. I was transferred and haven't heard it since. I think about it sometimes, but I don't really know what to make of it. It's very interesting. I am very curious about what was there before that building. Right. Because that sounds if it's always been there, it sounds like it was there before that building showed up. So whether that's I don't know where this is located, but I mean, and I don't want to be that guy who's like, it could be Native American, but I mean, hypothetically, if there was no other building there, it it could very well have been something that was associated with a tribe, because all babies cry. Right. You know, it doesn't matter what culture you are. Right. Uh assuming this is in America, in which case if it's not, then whatever other could have been yeah. Cultures or tribes were there before we started building buildings. So interesting. Interesting. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 56:02

Allow me to begin by saying that I'm not a superstitious, superstitious person, nor I believe in ghosts. I'm not superstitious, but I'm a little stitchious. Sorry. That's from the office. I see. With that being said, right after my graduation and receiving my license, I began to work at the same hospital where I did my clinicals at. At this level, I managed to work the night shift from 11 p.m. to 7 a.m. once a month. One night during the report, I was told that we had one empty room, which was 2.09, a private room. At around 2.30 in the morning, as I was making my rounds, the call button came on loud and cleared from 2.09. Needless to say, I went to investigate since it shouldn't have been occupied. And as I entered the room, the light from the street allowed me to see without turning on the lights. That's when I saw a man sitting on the bed reading a book. Naturally, I asked, did he call for a nurse and why was he reading in the dark? But he didn't respond. So I went for the light switch and looked back to request an answer from this patient. But my heart stood still for a second as I realized there wasn't anybody there. Unquestionably, I never brought it up during my report, nor I mentioned it to anyone, not even to my coworker who was working on the other side of the floor. Nonetheless, the rest of my shift went on without any major events.

SPEAKER_04 57:38

Hmm. You know, I don't blame them. I mean, I don't I I wouldn't tell it. I mean, that's not true. I absolutely would tell people about that experience. Um, honestly, when it comes to these professions, I get why they don't, but man, I feel like it'd be very difficult not to.

SPEAKER_01 57:55

That's why they have these, and where I found most of these stories are on these forums that are all nurses or all doctors that's why uh that makes sense. Dr. Kulbaba's book, he went and interviewed these doctors because the doctor would trust other doctors with their stories. Right. And nurses, you know, it's it's nurses will trust other doc uh other nurses, and that's why when when I used to tell ghost stories uh and allow people to tell their ghost stories, they felt like they were in a safe place to discuss ghost stories because they could talk to somebody who had had that experience and won't say, Oh, you're a big fat liar, you know. No, you didn't.

SPEAKER_04 58:32

Come on. I'm very curious. So um uh my my oldest sister, your your oldest daughter, obviously. Um, she's now um a nurse, practitioner. And she No, just a nurse. Nurse is a nurse, excuse me. Just a nurse, she's a nurse.

SPEAKER_01 58:50

Uh is she she's graduating actually in April to become a nurse. Okay. And so she but she's done clinicals and she's worked some things, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 59:00

I'm I'm curious as she continues to, you know, work and gain education and all that stuff. I'm I'm curious to see if if and when, because it sounds like it might be more of a win situation, but I don't know. She starts to have some of her own if she hasn't already had had some of her own experiences. Also, John as well.

SPEAKER_01 59:18

My our my my brother-in-law, you're but John's so fun because John John is John's a nurse, and John is a big guy. John's what, six, three?

SPEAKER_04 59:27

If John was in that room with the person who needed uh was having a cardiac arrest, right? He would be able to do those just because real easy.

SPEAKER_01 59:34

But John, John is so funny because he doesn't believe in ghosts. And he's he's actually lived in our house for a while and didn't believe in ghosts and didn't and so yeah, keyword didn't past tense. And so we had an experience. He he and my daughter Sarah, and I think they had one child at that time. They were going back to school, and so they had packed up all their stuff, and they were actually uh, because everything was packed, they were gonna get up the next morning and and drive, I believe, to Idaho to go to school. Um, so they were sleeping on the pullout couch in the living room. And John had stayed up late, Sarah was already asleep, and John was in our living room and he was looking across the room to the kitchen. And he looked, and there, standing, he thought, in the doorway to the kitchen was my husband. And he's thinking, well, you know, why is her husband? Why is Richard up so late? And he said, and then he blinked, and that person was gone. And he said, he was really angry with me. Terry, I've lived in this house for so long and I didn't have any of these experiences. And on the last night, I had to have it, and I thought, thank you, ghost.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:47

That was awesome. That's when you go. Did you uh did you look closely at his arms and see if see if if he had both of them just you know? Could have been well we also I mean that we probably need to do an entire episode on only just our house. Because yeah, they're we've had so many experiences. Don't think it's just the drivers.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:07

No, no, because we've heard little boys and we've we've seen, yeah, we it's it it, you know, it could be just a transit area, you know, where things go through and we are on a hill.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:20

Yeah, we're on top of a big old hill on purpose, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:23

Uh the not far from the Pecatonica River.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:25

That's true.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:25

And and actually there used to be a road and a bridge over the Pecatonica. There used to be a road that came along the side of our house and it went to a bridge on the Pecatonica, but that bridge is long gone. I didn't know that. So yeah, it could be uh just a transit and people come by and say, Hey, can I use the bathroom? But they're a ghost.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:44

So you know So they they make a they make a spectral deposit. A paranormal P, if you will.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:54

Okay. Years ago, when I was working nights at an LTC fac facility, there was a resident who was a former nurse and she used to make rounds with me. She was still hail and hardy at a at a hundred years old, and she had so many stories. But one night as she followed me on my rounds, she began to talk about her children, all of whom had predeceased her, and mentioned that she had seen them recently. Knowing her of knowing her to be of sound mind, I got a U, a urine analysis, a UA, they said a urinase in case a UTI was making her loopy. And actually that that's a thing. If you have a urinary tract infection, it can actually cause you, especially in in elderly people, it can cause you to have hallucinations and dementia like symptoms, but symptoms.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:52

It's just because your your urinary tract is because of the infection.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:55

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:56

Interesting. There's so literally in uh Charles Dickens' Christmas story when he says there's more a gravy than a grave of you. I mean, gravy is not, it won't go in your urinary tract necessarily, but like the idea that food can cause can cause hallucinations is actually well anybody who tried mushrooms in college valid.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:14

So valid anyway. But she didn't have a UTI. Um, she continued to talk about the conversation she was having with her oldest daughter. And finally one night she called out to me from her room. Look, here she comes. She's coming for me. Her voice was full of joy. Then silence. I ran to her room, and there she was, dead. She had the most amazing smile on her face, though, and I could feel a presence in the room as if someone had really been there. Maybe they were, who knows? All I know is that she was happy as she passed away, and I'll never forget it. And it's like you were talking about that whole, these are people that constantly live in that life and death alley. Yeah. You know, that transition, and they get to see the transition. And and it it really is for the most part, except for like poor Sam. Um or anyone else who gets dragged. Right, exactly.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:22

Drag me to hell is a movie.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:24

I have to say that 95% of the stories that I hear from nurses about people moving on to the next uh to graduate, you know, to move on to that next graduate with honors. They're joyous. There's there's family, there's a reunion. It's a good, you know, it is a a positive thing. And and the pain seems to go away because they can they're they're like transitioning to that, they're leaving the pain and the old crippled body and the age and everything behind them, and they are just taking their spirit and moving on to the next.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:02

I m I think maybe uh how how long has how long and take into account some of the pauses and things. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we're probably at an hour and ten. Okay. Um, because I would love to I would love to end on. Why don't you do the um but I don't know if we necessarily I don't know if we need to end yet, because it if it's only an hour and ten. I mean, but also I guess I don't know. I do we want to do a shorter one?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:31

Uh yeah, maybe let's do a shorter one.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:35

Because it's talking about because we talk about how it's it's you know, it's the the gateway of life and death, and this one's literally talking about labor. This one's actually a really fun one.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:47

Why don't you why don't you finish up with that and then we'll just we'll stop.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:51

Okay. Um yeah, so this let me then just pause so we can know. So speaking of hospitals being that transitionary period of life and death, um, I think actually this is a really good one to end on because it talks about both.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:10

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:10

Um says my aunt used to work as a labor and delivery nurse, and I remember her telling this story to my mom once, and this is also from ranked from that ranked article. She was working a shift where the woman she was assisting in childbirth had lost her grandmother. They were not close and had and they had never met. Not long before her labor. In the middle of the frantic in the middle of the frantic moaning and crying during delivery, the woman suddenly looked to a corner of the room, heaving and sweating. The only thing there was an empty chair. She started talking to the corner, seeming to respond to questions and generally just having a full-blown conversation with what seemed like herself. My aunt and other nurses thought she was just delirious and tried to soothe her through and p ignore her. The woman's husband and her mother would try to calm her down and say, There's no one there. But she would continue talking to the corner. When she was out of labor, and they gave her the baby to hold, her mother and boyfriend were there, and she turned to her mom and smiled and asked, Did you hear her earlier? Is your new life everything you imagined it would be? An adventure? The mother was shocked. Apparently, the mother was an immigrant from China and left her parents behind for a life in the US. The last words the grandmother had spoken to the mother directly was, I hope your new life is everything you imagine it will be. An adventure. The grandmother died soon after. She had never met her granddaughter, and there's no way the woman would have known the words she said. So, yeah, uh, it seems like apparently this grandmother was there to witness her, I guess, great-granddaughter. Um, and she was there to help this woman through. And I think it's very interesting because as she was talking to, you know, she was going through labor and she was talking to um the grandmother. The grandmother, it's it almost seems like I I I don't know, I don't know much about child delivery. Um uh the idea I will admit I'm a coward and blood scares me. And so I know that one day when I'm married and that going through that whole thing, I I know that there's gonna be a lot of brave face that I'm gonna have to put on for uh to help my wife. Um, or I might just faint and not have to worry about it. But um I would imagine though that being able to have a conversation like that might help take your mind off of the watermelon that you're pushing through yourself.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:01

Right. Well, and that's you know, the idea of lamas. You know, the lamas is learning to relax your body and focus on something else. Because if you can focus on something else, you actually can't, it's like self-hypnosis. You can't feel the the pain. And and I delivered all seven of you guys just using lamas and not having drugs because I hate needles. I'm terrified of drugs.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:28

And apparently from what most doctors would say hearing that, that you also hate yourself.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:33

But uh no, but lamas, uh really, because you you basically you concentrate on something else. You you you are almost in that self-hypnosis phase. So you're not paying attention to what's going on in your body, which relaxes your body and actually moves labor along a lot faster. So by being able to concentrate to with, you know, in that conversation with her grandmother and look over there and not think about what's going on here, it probably really did help.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:02

That's you know, so uh it did multiple really awesome things all at the same time. And uh yeah, hospitals, man. They're if if any of you have worked at a hospital and I've already plugged this, I'm gonna do it again. If you want to share your hospital stories or any other stories from your work or life, please tell us. Please let us know. Yeah. Um, we want to be able to share your experiences with others.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:25

Um and we want to validate your experiences. Yes. That's kind of that's one of the cool things, is you know, oh yeah, I had an experience like that, you know, and and other people having those kind of experiences actually helps validate what you went through. You're not crazy, you're not nuts, you didn't imagine it. Those things are real.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:45

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:45

And and so, and we enjoy sharing these stories with you.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:49

Thank you guys for um spending some time in the attic with us. Please um like, share, invite. Tell your tell all your friends about it, um, and also let us know some other things that you'd like to hear us talk about. Um, you know, are there other entities that that you think would be interesting to learn about, to hear stories about? Uh, because we like researching those kinds of things.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:13

And if there's a topic that we've kind of I know we keep throwing around, oh, we're gonna do this, we're gonna do this, oh we should do this, we should do that. If there's one that you think, oh, I really would love you guys to do this, let us know. And we'll move that to the top of the list. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:27

Alright.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:27

Thank you guys. See you next week. Bye.