What’s Walking Through the Woods? | Bigfoot Encounters and Sasquatch Sightings

Bigfoot stories have a way of lingering.

In this episode, we follow a trail of encounters from the recent 2026 Ohio Bigfoot reports to older and more unsettling accounts, including Teddy Roosevelt’s famous Bauman story, the Siege of Ape Canyon, the Minerva Monster, Mount St. Helens rumors, and smaller personal experiences shared by witnesses.

Some stories sound like folklore. Some sound like misidentification. Some are harder to dismiss.

So what are people seeing in the woods — and why do these stories keep coming back?

Join us in the attic as we explore Bigfoot encounters, Sasquatch sightings, and the strange space between legend, witness testimony, and the unexplained.

New episodes released regularly.

Join Paranormal Mystery Author Terri Reid and researcher Andrew T. Reid as they explore ghosts, cryptids, alien encounters, and other unexplained mysteries.

If you'd like to share your opinion, thoughts, or your own paranormal experience with us, please contact us at vftattic@gmail.com. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_04 0:01

On March 6, 2026, just after noon, someone walking through the woods near Mantua Center, Ohio claimed they saw something standing in the trees. The large figure was broad, covered in brown fur and upright. And according to the report, it was nearly nine feet tall. The witness said the figure seemed to realize it was being watched. Then, without a sound, it moved away through the woods fast. The next night, another witness in the Mantua area heard heavy footsteps from deeper in the woods. These weren't quick, skittering steps like a deer. They were slow, deliberate, and heavy. Then came a deep grunt. And after that, the woods went silent. By March 9th, the reports were moving east, Garrettsville, Headwaters Trail, Windham, Route 303 near Tinker's Creek. Different witnesses described different figures. Some brown, some black, some six feet tall, some closer to ten. One report described a strange, stilt-light walk. Another mentioned a heavy, musky smell. By March 10th, the reports had crossed into Trumbull County. A dark figure, crashing brush, dogs shaking with fear. Then, almost as quickly as it started, the wave seemed to stop. No one captured a photo, found biological samples, or submitted any other pieces of hard evidence. Just a cluster of frightened witnesses, a trail of stories across Northeast Ohio, and the same question people have been asking for more than a century. What exactly is walking through the woods?

SPEAKER_00 2:01

Listen closely, old walls still speak.

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Some things are hidden, not to be forgotten, but to be kept.

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The old house remembers what others forget.

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What is remembered is most truly given.

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Listen closely, and you too may just hear voices from the attic.

SPEAKER_02 2:36

Well, hi! Welcome to our Bigfoot show.

SPEAKER_04 2:40

The uh the obligatory Bigfoot episode. Just kidding. We've wanted to do Bigfoot for a while. Um but it the hard thing about Bigfoot, I think I mentioned this in a in a previous episode. The tough thing about doing a Bigfoot-centered episode. The interesting thing. The the interesting thing. No, this is the difficult thing. The hard thing to do is there are so many other Bigfoot uh researchers and Bigfoot uh what what's the why can't I think profession not professionals, uh professional uh professors. No, that's not the right word either. Um I mean it's similar, it's close to researchers, uh people who know a lot about the topic. Experts. That's the word I was looking for. There's so many Bigfoot experts out there in the world. Um, I don't know why experts was such a hard word for me to find.

SPEAKER_02 3:37

But you know, I I get that. And I've gotta say, and I belong to like a bazillion Facebook Bigfoot experience pages. Everyone's got one. Yeah. And well, I don't yet. Oh.

SPEAKER_04 3:47

I and you know, I don't know if Bigfoot. I don't know if Bigfoot is, I mean, look, I'll take any experiences, uh, but also Bigfoot from some of these stories is one of those things where I mean, there's there's a part of me, I hope that I see him at a glancing distance. I hope that if I do have a Bigfoot experience is one of those lame three-second ones where I just happen to see him walking and he doesn't hit he, she, they, it, whatever, big foots, whatever, uh, doesn't notice me. Cause I don't know if I want uh the the attention.

SPEAKER_02 4:22

You don't want a Harry and the Henderson's experience.

SPEAKER_04 4:25

I mean, if it's if it's a nice Bigfoot like that, I'd be down. Okay. I'd be down. But uh, you know, some of these accounts, they uh they are not nice always.

SPEAKER_02 4:36

That's very true. That's very true. Um, so let's talk about Ohio because that was that's well first before we do that.

SPEAKER_04 4:42

Yeah we should talk well, let's let's do some housekeeping first.

SPEAKER_02 4:45

Oh, hey, yeah. Yeah, good idea.

SPEAKER_04 4:47

So um, first of all, thank you all uh for for subscribing, for watching, for you know, sharing it to your friends and family. Uh also all your comments are fantastic. Yes. Part of the reason why we're doing it this episode is because somebody suggested it.

SPEAKER_02 5:01

Um and and we've got all the list of the other things that we're supposed to be doing too, like truck drivers, that was way cool.

SPEAKER_04 5:07

And that that was an idea that I I don't know if I said it in an episode, but I know that's also one that I've wanted to do anyway, because you're right. There are so many scary truck driving uh encounters that I've I've heard of.

SPEAKER_02 5:21

Isn't there like this famous? No, that was for Pee-Wee Herman. Okay, we just caught Ash with a mouthful of soda.

SPEAKER_04 5:31

Truck drivers, Pee Wee Herman.

SPEAKER_02 5:34

It was like Big Bertha or Large Marge. Large Marge. Yeah, that was the Pee Wee Herman truck driver scary story.

SPEAKER_04 5:43

Large Marge?

SPEAKER_02 5:44

Large Marge.

SPEAKER_04 5:45

I haven't heard of this, and I'm I'm so excited to hear about this when we do our episode. That's right. That's that's a taste. I don't want to say that's a taste of large marge because I feel like that's yeah, that's a little I you know.

SPEAKER_02 5:56

So also, um, another suggestion was um haunted items.

SPEAKER_04 6:02

Yes, that was a way cool one, which I will say there is an entire podcast dedicated to that as well. Um, or at the very least, there's a podcast of people, and I I've I'm forgetting the name of the podcast, but I'll put it in the link. I'm gonna put this down. Um, uh Haunted Items Podcast. But um it's it's a podcast run by people who own a museum of haunted items. Okay. Uh, it's actually the same people who did the TV show about it? Uh no. That was a cool TV show. It might be the same. I can't think of their names right now, but I they also made the uh the documentary series uh Helsier or is that Helier, excuse me, yes, Hellier.

SPEAKER_02 6:47

Okay, not the same guy.

SPEAKER_04 6:48

Okay, no, but yeah, they they made that and they also own uh a museum. I don't know if it's technically a museum or if it's just a collection of haunted items, but they have a lot of haunted items, and people keep on reaching out to them to give them more haunted items.

SPEAKER_02 7:04

Hmm, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 7:05

So it's funny.

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Here's my porcelain doll collection.

SPEAKER_04 7:08

Literally, one of the episodes they talk about was it they got something from uh, I think it was like off of the Appalachian Trail or something like that. Somebody gave it to them. They're like, I want you to have this because since I've picked it up off of the trail, it's just been giving me nothing but grief. And so here you go, you can have it. And they're like, Oh, thanks, appreciate it. They ended up putting it back onto the trail because that's probably why it was haunting them in the first place.

SPEAKER_02 7:36

Well, the guy that did the TV show would enclose them in like glass containers to like contain the the spirits, yeah. I didn't interesting works, so do covers. We've talked about this tents, all of those things. They they work really. I was gonna say, Gold Star to you guys who've been subscribing. That's awesome. We we're not quite ready to send Andrew out into the field, not quite yet, not yet, but we need a couple thousand more subscribers. Yeah, good job with the subscribing and the comments and the liking and and just repeat watching us. Thank you. And I love the comments, they're so much fun.

SPEAKER_04 8:14

Yeah, honestly, and I'm I'm so happy. I'm so having done YouTube before in a very different context, very different, you know, group of of people that we're we're targeting with with my other pod uh my other YouTube channels that I've worked with, a lot of the comments there. I always, you know, I was always very hesitant to look at some of the comments in some of those. But and so because of that, I'm sometimes nervous about looking at the comments on our stuff. But honestly, you guys have been amazing when it comes to your comments.

SPEAKER_02 8:48

I They don't want to make you cry.

SPEAKER_04 8:50

No, no. Well, at the very least, they haven't found anything yet to make me cry about. Um, and I'm waiting for I am waiting for that day. I, you know, I my I'm gonna take a bite of that humble pie and I'm gonna be sad about it. But um, in the meantime, I've I've just the amount of of love you guys have poured into your comments uh has been awesome. Yeah, so appreciate that.

SPEAKER_01 9:13

Putting up with our giggles, yes, thank you.

SPEAKER_04 9:15

In fact, some people even like like that, like the fact that we kind of go off topic. And if you're not one of those people, let us know. Make me sad. They're like, oh, I just can't listen to these guys talk anymore.

SPEAKER_01 9:25

But we don't know if we'll be able to do anything about it. No, because that's just kind of the way we're we're wired.

SPEAKER_04 9:30

Yeah, yes. So just like complain about it and we'll be like, cool. Anyway.

SPEAKER_02 9:36

That's harsh. I mean, we'll try to do better.

SPEAKER_04 9:40

I can't make that promise. I I can't say I'm gonna try. I'm not even gonna, I'm not even gonna try. Okay. I'm not even gonna say that I'm gonna try, because then I have to actually try. So that's right. You know.

SPEAKER_02 9:53

That's right. So it is uh it's after Memorial Day. It's June. Welcome to June. We hope that uh you guys enjoyed the campfire stories. We had a good time telling them and um Yes.

SPEAKER_04 10:08

Yeah. I do wish actually that we were in front of a campfire for that one. We don't have the setup for that, I don't think. Uh that would have been kind of crazy, but um, it's okay. You know, instead we were in the attic talking about camping stories. One of these days, I think I don't know if it'd be this summer or next summer. I think it could be fun to do, you know, an uh nighttime like around the fire pit. Yeah, yeah. I think that could be fun.

SPEAKER_02 10:32

Unless we have bugs.

SPEAKER_04 10:35

I mean, at night, I don't think they they usually go to sleep at night, right? I guess uh mosquitoes don't.

SPEAKER_02 10:40

Well, but we could like fog and then we get yeah.

SPEAKER_04 10:44

And then it would look really cool because you'd have like this mist in the background, this fog that's in the background that's actually just you know a pesticide. What is that? What is that noise? Uh we would find the first evidence of a Bigfoot body because we accidentally killed him because we were trying to fog out mosquitoes. That's right. That's yes. That'd be really sad, actually. That that would be. Yeah, I don't want to kill a Bigfoot.

SPEAKER_02 11:13

No, I'd like to make it a pet. I think I could. I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 11:19

I I don't I don't know. And depending on what kind from what region, I mean, you know, I don't I don't think there's there's uh a skunk ape, which I I know it's considered a different thing. I don't know if it's a subcategory or if it's another thing completely, but skunk apes which are very Bigfoot adjacent.

SPEAKER_02 11:35

Right.

SPEAKER_04 11:36

They they they're very smelly, like one of our comments um mentioned.

SPEAKER_02 11:40

All of the Bigfoot things though are odiferous.

SPEAKER_04 11:43

You're right, but usually it's like a musk or something. Sulfury. Well, I think the sulfury sounds more skunk-like to me.

SPEAKER_02 11:50

So what is the one in uh Arkansas?

SPEAKER_04 11:52

That's that's the skunk.

SPEAKER_02 11:54

There's another one. There's a something crawler or something um muddy swamp, muddy, muddy something.

SPEAKER_04 12:03

Um we'll look it up and muddy buddies, like you're right, because it's actually called puppy chow, the the dessert. It's not muddy buddies, it's puppy chow. And I'll fight you on that.

SPEAKER_02 12:14

From the way, and then there's Sasquatch and Yeti. I mean, you're right. There's all these cousins.

SPEAKER_04 12:19

You're you're right. And I think like Sasquatch and Yeti, I feel like those are the difference between like a uh like a brown bear versus a polar bear.

SPEAKER_02 12:25

Is it I might be it might not be muddy swamp, it might be like Boogie Swamp or Boggy Monkey. I'm looking this up now. Boogie Man? Boggy Swamp Monster.

SPEAKER_04 12:38

Oh, oh, oh, Ash has found it. That would be Boggy Creek. Boggy Creek. Is it a Boggy Creek monster? There was a film about Moggy Creek.

SPEAKER_01 12:48

Boggy Creek.

SPEAKER_04 12:49

A sequel. Boggy Creek 2, the return. Boggy Creek electric boogaloo. Um, also that the voice that you just heard was Jack uh Art Jack. You're fired, Andrew. Ash, the Jack of All Trades, is what I was trying to say. Uh our I was trying to say that's that's I was gonna say Ash, the Jack of All Trades, but instead Jack came out. Um the Jack of all trades. Also, he's our uh sound producer specifically, and uh he's also just the knower of all things. And um mom is dying over here right now.

SPEAKER_02 13:30

Sorry.

SPEAKER_04 13:31

It's okay.

SPEAKER_02 13:32

Okay, I'm much better now.

SPEAKER_04 13:36

By the way, we never actually completely introduced ourselves. I'm Andrew T. Reed. That's right. Um, YouTuber, paranormal researcher, lover of all things, paranormal and spooky, uh, son, and big old giant nerd.

SPEAKER_02 13:47

Uh I'm Cherry Reed. Um slightly hysterical now, but I'm I'm gonna calm down.

SPEAKER_04 13:52

Now? Now you're hysterical now, um writer, um, podcaster, uh, researcher, uh, mom, grandma. Um not great grandma yet.

SPEAKER_02 14:06

Not great grandma yet.

SPEAKER_04 14:07

But I mean the potential is there. That's okay.

SPEAKER_02 14:09

I know. Eric, are you listening? Kidding.

SPEAKER_04 14:13

No pressure or anything.

SPEAKER_02 14:14

Um and what else? Dog whisper, cat whisper, animal whisper in general.

SPEAKER_04 14:21

Dr. Doolittle.

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Dr. Doolittle.

SPEAKER_04 14:23

But without the the Welsh accent.

SPEAKER_02 14:25

That's true, which would be cool.

SPEAKER_04 14:27

I mean, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:28

So welcome. If we we didn't welcome you, and thank you for putting up with us and not letting us introduce ourselves, not having us introduce ourselves.

SPEAKER_04 14:35

Yeah, and also if you're still watching, thank you for you know. If if you're still watching, this is the show for you because we just kind of got rid of we let out all the the worst things about uh oh no, they'll be bad, they'll be worse. Uh, that's fair. That's fair.

SPEAKER_02 14:50

So I'm gonna go back to Ohio now. Is it is that okay?

SPEAKER_04 14:54

Um are yes, yes, yeah. Yeah, I think we're done. Yeah, because that was the yeah, we talked about the cold intro, uh cold open. Right, right. And so yeah, so you're gonna go back to Ohio and talk about the events surrounding that specific.

SPEAKER_02 15:08

This was actually called the Ohio Bigfoot Flap of 2026.

SPEAKER_04 15:14

I don't like that name. Well, and does it do you talk about why it's called the flap?

SPEAKER_02 15:20

It says, according to investigators tracking the report, there were six to eight separate sightings over about four or five days, which led enthusiasts to label it a flap.

SPEAKER_04 15:33

Okay, well, if it's labeled by enthusiasts, uh like you know, people who actually research Bigfoot, they're labeling it a flap.

SPEAKER_02 15:40

You know what they call those people? Experts.

SPEAKER_04 15:46

This has been fun, guys. No, I'm not. That was that was good. That was good. That was thank you.

SPEAKER_02 15:52

What witnesses reported, descriptions varied, but common themes appeared repeatedly. Height estimates ranging from six to ten feet tall, dark brown or black hair, long arms, upright human-like movements. What was that boogie thing that you said? They were like doing when we said Boggy Creek, you added something to it, like the electric something.

SPEAKER_04 16:16

Oh, electric boogaloo.

SPEAKER_02 16:17

See, there you go.

SPEAKER_04 16:18

Yeah, which uh that's from uh oh, I forget what the sequel is, but there's something to electric boogaloo.

SPEAKER_02 16:23

So what was that John Travolta Saturday Night Live or Saturday Night Fever? Saturday.

SPEAKER_04 16:28

The sequel was staying alive.

SPEAKER_02 16:30

Staying alive with the that's what they were doing.

SPEAKER_04 16:32

Or it was uh um the Sasquatch's uh totally bogus journey.

SPEAKER_02 16:38

I oh I like that.

SPEAKER_04 16:39

Because that's Bill and Ted's Excel Adventure and Bogus Journey.

SPEAKER_05 16:42

Oh, that's fair. So that's fair.

SPEAKER_02 16:43

Um, strong odors in some encounters, strange vocalizations, including howls, whoops, and grunts, unusual reactions from dogs and other animals. And then one witness reported seeing a creature crossing the road near Tinker's Creek in Streetsboro. You mentioned that. And another reported an encounter so close that the creature allegedly entered the lane of travel in front of their vehicle.

SPEAKER_04 17:10

Oh, wow. That's bold.

SPEAKER_02 17:12

That is, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 17:13

What so I guess the the question is that well, a c a couple questions, and you might have answers here. Maybe go around. But I think it's interesting. I there I go again saying that. Um I caught myself this time. But it makes me wonder, first of all, did all these people were all these encounters separate?

SPEAKER_02 17:34

Like the six to eight separate sightings over four or five days.

SPEAKER_04 17:39

And this wasn't this wasn't released to the news until well after these were reported.

SPEAKER_02 17:45

You know, I'm sure that like in Bigfoot communities, there was probably information, but probably not.

SPEAKER_04 17:54

I doubt it was information that was widespread enough for people to have like a Bigfoot hysteria. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. These these were all separate encounters that happened in a relatively short amount of time in a very close proximity. Yes. It to me sounds, and there's actually a uh there there's a map with a trail, and I I don't know if I'll be able to get the graphic of that for the YouTube channel and for those who are listening, uh just you know, imagine it or look it up. Um, but there is a a really cool map of uh the path that it would have taken for all these people to have seen it, and it's a fairly realistic path that that a Bigfoot type entity could have walked.

SPEAKER_02 18:40

They said they're they're calling it the Green Highway theory. And it says it says one of the more interesting ideas proposed by investigators was that the sightings seemed to follow a connected corridor of forest trails and waterways stretching through the region. Some researchers suggested that the creatures might be moving along the headwaters trail green belt, and again, referring to it as a green highway. The sightings appeared to progress eastward over several days rather than remaining in a single location. So, what you have is the migration of Bigfoot. This is uh Bigfoot migration time in Ohio.

SPEAKER_04 19:18

In Ohio, which we've mentioned, Ohio was weird. Oh there's so much that happens in Ohio.

SPEAKER_02 19:25

Everything happens vampire slayer in California. California.

SPEAKER_04 19:29

Yeah, yeah. Okay, because there was a hell mouth in that particular city in California. Um, but also I think that's just because Joss Whedon was biased. Okay. Since he, you know, wrote it and he lived in California. And also, just I think Hollywood producers in general are a little biased because again, most of them live in California.

SPEAKER_02 19:48

What does that say about California if they believe that there's hellmouths there?

SPEAKER_04 19:53

I mean, you know, uh Percy Jackson also said that the gateway to Hades. Yeah. Um, which granted that's you know, the underworld that's not necessarily hell, like that's not the equivalent, but you know, that's also as close to the equivalent as we can get. Right. That in in I don't know if it was in the book, but I know in the movie they said that was in um I think Los Angeles specifically. Oh, I think is rude considering I've I've I lived there for you know a few years.

SPEAKER_02 20:24

I uh so we don't know if Ohio has a hell mouth, but it certainly has a lot of interesting things happening there. Um so they said as as Andrew mentioned, no clear photographs or videos emerged, uh despite the number of sightings. But you you know, this happens like like a deer crossing in front of your car. It's not like you say, Oh, stop, freeze, let me take my phone.

SPEAKER_04 20:49

I'm gonna pull up my phone so I can record this, you know, deer. Oh dear.

SPEAKER_02 20:54

So, but but law enforcement said that roughly ten people had contacted authorities or investigators with um stories of seeing the large creature. So um they they say that even skeptics admitted clustering itself was unusual, although they generally attributed it to social uh contagion, publicity, misunder Right. Yeah, that's exactly it.

SPEAKER_04 21:19

I mean, yeah, if if especially if they report it, it's not like they're going onto Facebook and you know, and all that all the people who see it are this tight-knit group of people. I honestly I hadn't heard about it until I so I I I I think I told you about this. Um there's uh uh a magazine that I recently started, you know, reading to be able to to learn about new topics and things like that when it comes to to this and just weird stuff because I I like weird stuff, obviously, since I'm doing a podcast about weird stuff, and they mentioned it on in that newspaper, but like social media, I wouldn't have heard anything about that. Not a big enough story to have, especially in that short of a time period.

SPEAKER_02 22:06

That's the thing. The time period they say why researchers found it interesting. Most Bigfoot sightings are isolated. There was multiple witnesses, multiple locations, a very short time frame, similar descriptions, and no obvious connection between the witnesses. So it's not like you know, this is my cousin Earl, my other cousin Earl. I told them about the experience. Exactly. They saw it too the next night. These are people that were not connected with one another. Right. So yeah. So now I think we're gonna do the Wayback Machine.

SPEAKER_04 22:39

Yeah, yeah. So the, you know, obviously that this is a recent thing that happened. This happened, like we said, this year. Uh, if you're listening, you know, after this year, this year of 2026, it happened. And uh probably if you're listening on a different year, other things have happened since then. But um this is one of the most recent, if not the most recent, right uh newsworthy sighting. But, you know, is this the first time? Obviously, it's not the first time that people have seen these things, but how far back does it go? Um, and you know, what was some of the history of some of these Bigfoot sightings and and uh encounters? And we have answers for that. Well, not like how far back does it go, we don't have that answer necessarily, but we've got some pretty far back. I won't say it's the definitive furthest back, but I will say it's pretty far back.

SPEAKER_02 23:35

I think so. Okay, so according to the Sasquatch Chronicles blog, the oldest account of Bigfoot was recorded in 986 AD by Leif Erickson and his men. During their first landing in the New World, the Norsemen wrote about man-like beasts that were horribly ugly, hairy, swarthy, with great black eyes.

SPEAKER_04 24:04

It's kind of a rude way to describe, you know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:07

No wonder they have an attitude.

SPEAKER_04 24:08

You're right. I'd be a little upset too. What do you mean I'm ugly? I think I look pretty.

SPEAKER_02 24:15

Among his accounts, Leif told of seeing huge hairy men who towered over him and his men. The huge hairy men, according to Leif, lived in the woods and had a rank odor and a deafening shriek. It should be noted that Leif Ericsson and his men describe huge man-like beasts that were loud and foul-smelling and clearly distinct from native peoples.

SPEAKER_05 24:40

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 24:40

Apparently, Leif had several sightings of the huge hairy men before departing the island. They called several sightings. Several interesting. They called the creature skirring. People believe that the creature skerring, it's S-K-E-L-L-R-I-N-G. Okay. Skerling is what we know today as Bigfoot. This is the earliest recorded encounter with Bigfoot or Sasquatch. The Norse word skerring is a term of contempt. It means roughly a barbarian. What is interesting is the word hairy. The Norse were kind of hairy people themselves.

SPEAKER_04 25:19

I was gonna say this this feels a little bit, and you know, maybe not maybe not fair to Leaf and and you know his particular crew, but I know that from where he comes from, uh, I mean, Vikings also originate in that same region. I broadly, I'm not talking about the same country. I I don't know enough about you know that that area. But uh, you know, when it comes to to just broadly in that area, calling somebody hairy and calling somebody uh a barbarian when you have you know Vikings going and you know doing what they're doing, feels a little bit like the the pot calling the kettle black.

SPEAKER_02 25:54

Well, and they say just a bit the Norse were hairy people themselves, big men with matted hair and beards. Yep. So why did they remark on the skeleton being hairy? Was it because they were very much hairier than the Norsemen? That's fair, that's fair.

SPEAKER_04 26:12

And and also they typically, I don't know what hair color Leif Erickson was, but from my under from guessing blonde, I would also guess, I mean, a lot of those red head? Yeah, probably one of those, and if and if um the the scuttering, assuming that's how it's pronounced, if they were you know brown hair, uh brown hair tends to be black haired or black haired, that those tend to be a lot more uh pronounced, a lot easier to see than blonde or red hair. And so, you know, it if anything, it could it might not be as hairy as a sasquatch, but also very well could be an indication that they are Sasquatch levels of hairy.

SPEAKER_01 26:49

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 26:50

So it's interesting. I didn't, I I hadn't heard about that. See?

SPEAKER_02 26:54

See if you just listen to your mom before. Sorry, what was that?

SPEAKER_04 26:59

I wasn't I was listening. Sorry.

SPEAKER_02 27:01

Um, according to the museum, I've got to go to this place. The Museum of Unnatural Mystery. Ooh, where where is that? Where's that at? Um we'll have to do that. You know, there's a cryptid museum in Maine, too.

SPEAKER_04 27:19

Well, we gotta go to Maine. We've got to go to Maine. I mean, I think we have to go to Maine in general. Because that's that's where uh Stephen King puts all the weird stuff, even though I don't think that the state itself, I mean, when you compare the weirdness for Maine to Ohio, like Maine's pretty casual, pretty normal.

SPEAKER_02 27:34

I think that there is a different maybe travel um um what what's the a travel center, you know, where you you can buy tickets for places and you can do that, but there's an alien one. And and when people aliens want to come visit the United States, they say, well, if you want some really interesting experiences, you can go to Maine or you can go to Ohio. I think that that's where they send people. Uh not people, aliens. I mean, but is there a lot of weird things that happens in Maine? Uh Stephen King has written about those, and everything's well, yeah, but but that's I think he's a little biased.

SPEAKER_04 28:11

He lives there, and so he's gonna put everything in Maine, even though that's true.

SPEAKER_02 28:15

I have people being murdered in Freeport all the time. If exactly, and only you know I'm sorry, let me let me make sure you understand.

SPEAKER_04 28:24

She just goes out and actually, like, you know.

SPEAKER_02 28:27

No, I write the Mary O'Reilly Paranormal Mystery series, and it's based in the Freeport area, and so um, there's ghosts, and so ghosts are people that used to be alive, so they're not, and so I do that in my books.

SPEAKER_04 28:43

So, yeah, she so but not she murders people for a living.

SPEAKER_02 28:47

That's right.

SPEAKER_04 28:48

Fictionally, but she does. Also, I'd found out Okay, where is it? The Museum of Unnatural History.

SPEAKER_02 28:54

Is it history or mystery?

SPEAKER_04 28:55

It says it says history, and here it said mystery. Okay, well, I believe you um is on uh it's in Walla Walla, Washington, which is an amazing name for your city, Walla Walla.

SPEAKER_02 29:06

That is clear.

SPEAKER_04 29:06

I mean, I love that.

SPEAKER_02 29:07

But and and and we're gonna be talking about Washington. Washington's got a lot of stuff, so it's like one side of the United States to the other, Maine to Washington. So, anyway, getting back to the story. Yes, Bigfoot, or as it's often called in Canada, Sasquatch, is mentioned in several Native American legends. In fact, the term Sasquatch is Indian for hairy giant.

SPEAKER_04 29:31

I'm assuming there's a specific um tribe or nation that that says it. I'm I'm guessing that it probably it's not mentioned, which it is a Canadian nation.

SPEAKER_01 29:44

So it could be Iroquois or one of those guys.

SPEAKER_04 29:46

Right.

SPEAKER_02 29:47

The first sighting of a Sasquatch by a white man apparently came in 1811 near what is now the town of Jasper, Alberta, Canada.

SPEAKER_04 29:56

And this is outside of Leif Erickson having seen he's he would technically be the first white man probably. Or he and his company.

SPEAKER_02 30:02

Well, if he was dirty and hairy, maybe they didn't realize he was a white man. Fair. I don't know. This is okay, according to these guys. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 30:10

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:11

A trader named David Thompson found some strange footprints 14 inches long and eight inches wide with four toes in the snow. Four toes. Four toes.

SPEAKER_04 30:23

Interesting. A lot of Bigfoot. I I guess I don't know. I some of you out there who knows more about Bigfoot than I do, I didn't know that bigfoot prints generally had four toes, or is that a unnatural thing? Because we have people in the world who have four toes.

SPEAKER_02 30:38

Well, he's barefoot in the snow.

SPEAKER_05 30:39

Maybe he just lost one because of uh do like uh yeah uh frostbite frostbite.

SPEAKER_02 30:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 30:45

Anyway, sorry, yeah, go back.

SPEAKER_02 30:47

Yeah, okay. That was all for that one. And then let's go back here. This is uh from a book that was published in 1892, and it was written by Teddy Roosevelt, and it's called The Wilderness Hunter. And uh Teddy Roosevelt wrote about his friend. Um, he doesn't give me a first name, his name was Baumann, B-A-U-M-A-N, and he was a trapper. He says, according to Roosevelt, Baumann was a hunter, trapper, and frontiersman who had seen about all there was to see while living a life in the wild. In his younger days, Baumann and his partner had set out on a trapping expedition. After finding an area where they thought they'd have some luck, they set up camp and went off exploring for a while. When they later returned, they found their campsite had been trashed. They assumed the culprit had been a bear, but upon inspection, they discovered by its tracks that this bear seemed to have been walking around on two feet. That night the men were awakened by noises and what appeared to be a massive creature lurking in the darkness. They fired at it with their guns, and we'll talk about why that was not a good idea, but the creature ran off. Oh, maybe they're trying to kill it and skin it because they were trappers.

SPEAKER_04 32:11

Or, I mean, you you could also try to shoot like near it to scare it away because it's a big noise. That's true. And and that doesn't actually, as long as you don't hit the thing, that seems to be an okay thing to do. I won't say an okay thing to do, but it seems to work. Right. If you're scared of a big thing at you. Yeah, L'Oreal. L'Oreal Sasquatch. Maybe he's born with it. Maybe it's Sasquatch.

SPEAKER_02 32:46

Okay. That now okay, we did that part. Okay, the next day they went out to check their traps and once again returned to a smashed-up campsite. Somebody was angry with them. During the night, the creature menaced them once more. And while it wouldn't come near their fire, it made a huge racket in the surrounding woods. Deciding that enough was enough, the men cut their trip short. Bauman went off alone to collect some of the remaining traps and returned several hours to a horrible scene. His partner had been killed and apparently flung around the campsite by a powerful animal. His neck had been broken and bitten, but apparently he wasn't taken as prey as his body was still there intact.

SPEAKER_04 33:39

So it wasn't, it wasn't for food.

SPEAKER_02 33:41

No, it was angry.

SPEAKER_04 33:42

Well, either anger or protection.

SPEAKER_02 33:44

That's true. I mean, I think we talked about last week in Glacier National Park. Was it Glacier? I think it was Glacier. Somebody else was killed by a bear and it was a mom bear protecting cubs. So I mean Bigfoot would have cubs, potentially.

SPEAKER_04 34:00

Potentially. Or uh or at the very least, territory. Right. And if this is a thing with you know guns in its territory that has already shot at it before, that could pose a uh territorial threat.

SPEAKER_02 34:11

Or maybe like Harry and the Hendersons, he loved all the small animals and here they were trapping them, and he wasn't happy about that.

SPEAKER_04 34:17

That's true.

SPEAKER_02 34:18

I mean that's a good point. Everything is based in fact, not everything, but anyway. So Bauman left the traps and supplies, good move, and uh behind and immediately fled the mountain as fast as he could. Yep. Smart move. Smart. But then Teddy Roosevelt had his own encounter with Bigfoot. According to lore, um Teddy uh was camping in the mountains of California, and while he was out in the depths of the forest one night, he heard howls and growls, which he admitted he could not attribute to any known animal. According to the story, at the very least, he appreciated the significance of these strange noises and recognized the possibility that they may have come from some unknown creature. And does it remind me where these locations took place? This one, the Teddy Roosevelt one says California, but the Bauman one, it was just on a mountain. They don't say exactly where it it was.

SPEAKER_04 35:22

My my guess for the Theodore Roosevelt one, just because he's also the one who made the first national park, right? Uh, would probably be Yosemite or somewhere near that's that makes sense. There. Um, that being said, who knows? It so I a couple uh this is just a couple interesting fun facts before we actually start talking about you know the significance of these. Uh first and foremost, Theodore Roosevelt is actually my favorite president. Um, I like him. And because he's a teddy bear. Uh so it's so it's funny because he so he actually hated the nickname Teddy, which is why I generally call him Theodore. Oh, yeah. I'm sure he appreciates that. I'm sure he does, you know, smiling down. I'm assuming, you know. Oh, thanks. Thanks. Yeah, yeah. Thank you. Uh no, but you know, they they named the the teddy bear after him, right as well. Um, but I he's just an awesome figure in history. I mean, he wasn't this wasn't for uh an election for president, but when he was running for uh another political office, I forget which one it was, somebody tried to assassinate him, somebody shot him, and uh the that guy was taken away, but he just he just kept talking. He he was like, Do you see like my my uh I my opponent? Well, no, my uh my message won't be stopped by you know other people trying to assassinate him or something something like that. I don't remember exactly, but he he kind of kept it and he you know went on with it. Um he also was all about the the boldy pulpit, right? Uh speak softly, carry a big stick. That was him too. And he was a rough rider. And so um, you know, when it with the rough riders and all that stuff, I that's where when he says that he can't attribute these noises to any animal he knows. I think it's important to understand that's a significant statement. Yes, because he he is very comfortable, he's an outdoorsman, he's an outdoorsman's outdoorsman.

SPEAKER_01 37:15

He he wasn't somebody that hid away in Washington, D.C. and wouldn't know the difference between a pigeon and an owl. Right, exactly. That was weird.

SPEAKER_04 37:23

I mean, yeah, I hope most people would know the difference between a pigeon and an owl. Um, but no, you never know with those Washington with those with those Washington DC politicians, not knowing their different birds. Um, but no, so so that is pretty significant. Uh also just another, you know, random thought. Random thought uh related, but uh so I'm reading a book series right now called um uh Monster Hunter International, and I think it's funny that Theodore Roosevelt was one of the first, you know, he has a encounter with something, kind of an encounter, uh, because in the in the series he's the one that um establishes the United States government to get bounties on various different paranormal um monsters and things like that. So I just think it's kind of funny. Okay, so good good researching on that writer's time for a new conspiracy theory that I just made up. Okay, let's hear it.

SPEAKER_02 38:17

Teddy Roosevelt was the one who created all of these national parks. Perhaps they're reservations for these creatures.

SPEAKER_04 38:26

Honestly, I don't think you're the first person to come to that conclusion. I mean, there's an entire book series, Missing 411, that talks about a lot of the things that happen at national parks. And I don't know if he ever says specifically that it's because Theodore Roosevelt put those, especially since a lot of the boundaries for that were made after he was out of office, after he passed away, and all those things. But I mean it wouldn't be surprising that it would function as something like that. These are places that are deliberately kept away from right, you know, human populations and whatnot. So I I I buy that. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 39:03

We're uh this is officially the Terry and Andrew Reed conspiracy. Anybody who wants to talk to it, you can mail us what a couple dollars every time you copyright it.

SPEAKER_04 39:13

Yes, yeah, yeah. If you want to want to talk about uh our our conspiracies, also if you if you want to be mentioned, you have to show us a picture of you wearing a tinfoil hat. Um that's that's at least what I you know my proof uh that I need.

SPEAKER_02 39:28

Okay, so the way back, it's your turn. Yeah. So these you got a good one.

SPEAKER_04 39:32

Yeah, so this was this is kind of a longer one uh because it's very I mean, all the ones that she mentioned were very significant, but this is one of the most I won't say documented, but there's a lot of history around it. And this some of you have heard of it. The the siege of Ape Canyon. Yeah, so the incident itself took place in 1924, but there were a bunch of events that led up to it. Uh so it I kind of started off uh with a uh a group of five men uh traveled to Washington uh in search of a place to mine for gold. Um, and you know, they they were able to eventually find a piece of land that they thought would would serve as a very good spot, a very good site, and they they purchased this land in 1922. Um Fred Beck, in his 1967 book, I Fought the Ape Men of Mount St. Helens, talked about how he felt led to the spot through paranormal means. Um though these details weren't initially brought up in in the first interviews. He didn't actually mention that really until 19 the 1967 book, as the first time it was written down. Um everything else just you know, they really most places just kind of started on the incident itself. But but um by 1967, Beck, the the writer of that, had established uh had an established reputation as a faith healer and conducted regular site seances as well. And so it should be noted that might like from this book that might have colored some of his some of what he remembered um from that point. Okay. But uh a lot of the the things that I'm gonna be talking about were still reported in other things, just that specific part about him being led. He like had he th thought that he saw like arrows in the clouds pointing him to the right direction or just other paranormal means. Oh, interesting. He felt like he was led to that spot specifically before he felt comfortable purchasing that land for gold.

SPEAKER_02 41:35

And who was leading him to that?

SPEAKER_04 41:37

Well, yeah, and that's one of the that's go there, really.

SPEAKER_02 41:40

It'll be fine.

SPEAKER_04 41:40

Uh, one of the big questions. Yeah. But I don't think though, at that point he wasn't doing seances or things like that. Okay. Um, I think that was something that happened later on. I think this incident kind of opened his eyes to the fact that there are other weird things out there. Cause this is 19 So he wanted to commune with the other weird things. Well, I think in in his mind, well, and you'll see the Okay, go ahead with the story.

SPEAKER_02 42:05

Yeah, we'll we'll we'll yeah, we'll keep going.

SPEAKER_04 42:06

Because I don't know. I think after having lived through an experience like this, I don't know if I would think that these guys are bad. Just, you know, they're protecting the territory. So anyway, so mining at 4,500 feet, that's where they were, they were at that height, uh, had to be seasoned. Altitude, okay. And because, you know, just in that area, this is Washington area, uh, there are certain seasons that were just it was too there was too much snow in order to do much. Right. And so uh the miners would typically work from late May until around Thanksgiving. Uh, and then, you know, uh requiring them to camp in tents on the west side of the uh pumice butte.

SPEAKER_00 42:46

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 42:46

Or Pumas But. Um I know it's not but anyway, uh before descending, but before descending the steep, dangerous eastern face to reach their mine site. Uh the map the miners all to pack their own supplies, tools, and weapons. Uh, and yes, they did bring weapons. Weapons, okay. Um, and a round trip from the mine to town took roughly two days. Um, and so while the gold yields were promising enough to justify the return, the miners began experiencing strange, unnerving events. So they would there was a town nearby, they would go to that town, you know, fairly frequently when they weren't bath. Yeah, when they weren't mining, right? But and they also had jobs and you know, families and things like that there too. But yeah, this was like when they they they this was kind of their side hustle, side gig. Oh they were trying to make it their main gig. Um we totally get that. Yeah, I was gonna say similar to what we're doing here. Um, but yeah, so when they decided to to start using that area more frequently, they started like I said, they started experiencing strange unnerving events. Some of these were auditory oddities.

SPEAKER_02 43:52

They frequently I love that. Auditory oddities. Welcome to auditory oddities.

SPEAKER_04 44:00

This is audible. Um they frequently heard loud, high-pitched whistling from nearby ridgetops, with one sound seemingly answering another. They also reported low-pitched thumping sounds that were difficult to localize. So very, very typical Bigfoot type things. Uh strange tracks. While cleaning pots at a nearby creek, Leroy Smith discovered two large human-like footprints, approximately 15 inches long and sunk four inches into the into the sand.

SPEAKER_02 44:33

Oh so big big heavy guy.

SPEAKER_04 44:35

Big big heavy, big heavy boy. It doesn't. I'm assuming because it's human-like footprints, I'm assuming it was five toes.

SPEAKER_02 44:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 44:43

Uh, but here's the here's the weird thing. So it was on a small island and they were like in a in a creek or something. Right. There were no tracks leading to or from these prints, leading the miners to conclude that whatever it made them seemingly dropped from the sky.

SPEAKER_02 45:01

Oh. Or or could it be that their stride was so big that they no.

SPEAKER_04 45:07

No. No. There was nothing. It was those were the only prints, nothing leading up, nothing.

SPEAKER_02 45:13

Air gliding, big feet.

SPEAKER_04 45:15

I mean, and also, assuming this is real, assuming this is true, it would lead to the there are there are some people in the Bigfoot community who believe with that portals are related to big feet. Big feet. And so, you know, that this would potentially be evidence of that. That portal thing. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 45:32

I love that.

SPEAKER_04 45:34

Sorry, my my mouth is all that's okay. Marion Smith was already familiar with other stories like we kind of talked about, uh, monstrous, hair-covered monsters. Um, there were other miners such as August uh Johansen and Charles Stover, who had also reported seeing similar seeing similar tracks in previous years. So they weren't the first to see weird things, but in the spring of 1924, so this is two years after they had, you know, bought that land and everything, the miners decided to make their camp a bit more permanent by building a ten by a ten foot by thirty-foot log cabin on a shelf above the mine to safely store their tools and supplies year-round. On July 1st, while fetching water near a spring less than a hundred feet from the cabin, Fred Beck and Marion Smith spotted a creature peeking from behind a large cedar tree. They described it as seven to eight feet tall, upright, and covered in dark hair, except for its hands, uh except for its face and hands.

SPEAKER_02 46:37

So like a primate, just exactly that same thing.

SPEAKER_04 46:40

Okay, and uh a a quick note about about that. Uh the uh the name Ape Canyon wasn't established yet. That was established after this incident. Okay. I don't know if it was because of this incident or because of just the general um nature everyone assumed that they were ape men living.

SPEAKER_01 47:03

That's kind of what so it wasn't like Kong Island that looked like King Kong.

SPEAKER_04 47:07

Yeah, yeah. Huh. I wonder why this place is called Ape Man Valley. That's really weird. I don't know why the locals call it that strange. Uh no, it wasn't like that. They named it that after this incident. Okay. Um, it wasn't foreshadowing. Um, so they see this thing. Beck, Fred Beck, fired three shots at the creature from about 300 feet away. Although they found the tree bark skinned by the. I mean, look, they're they're rough and tough miners, and it's a thing that they don't know. And also it's the the 1920s. And so, you know, there's I don't think there's a lot of there's not the same culture that we have of cryptids and cryptozoology and that kind of that it was it was very much that's a scary monster thing. Let's kill it. It could be a threat. So yeah, let's kill it, especially if it's bold enough to peek and to look. Um, and also also if it's like eight feet tall. Right. That's scary. I mean, you know, that that could be an imposing threat. So I I understand. Okay. So, although they found the tree bark skinned by the bullets, they found no blood or body. They observed the the creature retreating up the hill on the opposite side of the draw, occasionally looking back at them.

SPEAKER_02 48:22

Oh, get you for this.

SPEAKER_04 48:24

What the heck, man? I was looking. What? Why are you shooting at me? Troubled by the encounter, Marion Smith ordered that all men must be armed whenever leaving the cabin. After returning to Kelso, I'm assuming that's this the town, uh, for the July 4th holiday, the miners share their experience. Despite the reputations as honest and reliable men, the community, and this is before the a lot of the big stuff happened, people said that, you know, they had a very they were known to be very trustworthy, very honest men, right, but everyone in the community found the story difficult to believe. That they had seen this thing and they shot at it and it ran away. Like, what the heck? You know, similar to what we see nowadays. You guys have been drinking up there. Exactly. Exactly. The same exact things that people say, we're gonna see in this. So which I think is funny. Anyway, um, around July 6th, 1924, while returning from the spring near their cabin, Leroy Smith heard movement in the brush. He encountered a massive creature less than 50 feet away, acting on his father's previous orders to remain armed. Leroy fired three shots at the creature. According to the account, the shots appeared to have no effect on the creature, which simply turned and retreated into the woods. So he did the ninja thing.

SPEAKER_02 49:44

Or Wonder Woman.

SPEAKER_04 49:45

Yeah. Or Superman returns. I don't know. That that one where he, you know, the guy shoots him and it's like a slow-motion shot where it hits him in the eye, but like the bullet still crumples up. Oh, ooh. I mean, you know, I I think any monster, if you shot them in the eye, that would probably hurt.

SPEAKER_02 50:02

But I think Matrix.

SPEAKER_04 50:05

No, so it it seemed more like it hit him. It just didn't have an effect. It just, you know, it did it wasn't bothered by these bullets. Uh, especially not three dinky bullets from a revolver. Come on. What do you think? He's a pansy. Um obviously not. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, obviously not. Following this incident, the five miners gathered inside their cabin that night and began making plans to abandon their mining operation entirely. I mean, understandable. Dude shot a monster three times. Right.

SPEAKER_02 50:33

And it didn't phase him.

SPEAKER_04 50:34

Just walked away, yeah, you know, casually. And so it's like, okay, maybe it's time to go. Um, so let's see. Uh on the after so they they started talking about it, but they and they began making plans, but it wasn't really enacted upon because they had a lot of things they had to gather up until on the afternoon of July 10th. And this is I have this as a this is when the the night of the siege.

SPEAKER_00 51:01

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 51:01

On the afternoon of July 10th, 1930 uh sorry, 1924, Leroy Smith was outside the cabin while the other four miners were inside. The same guy that that fired it before. Okay. A creature emerged from the brush and approached him. Leroy got his revolver and fired four to five shots at it. Alerted by the gunfire, the rest of the miners rushed out of the cabin armed. Marion Smith later estimated that approximately 16 shots were fired at the creature. Wow. That's a lot. A lot of firepower. Fred Beck took the final shot with his rifle while the creature was at the edge of a precipice, causing it to either fall or scramble 300 feet down the canyon wall.

SPEAKER_00 51:43

Oh.

SPEAKER_04 51:45

And then shortly after, night fell.

SPEAKER_00 51:48

Ooh.

SPEAKER_04 51:49

The men bunkered in the cabin, ultimately deciding that they were going to leave in the morning, probably abandoning abandoning the cabin altogether. However, at approximately 11 PM, the miners were startled when something struck the short side of the of the cabin with massive force, knocking a section of the wood chinking between the logs. During the the clear, bright full moon night, Fred and Marion looked through the hole that had been caused by the chinking and observed six, seven, or eight of the creatures wild running wildly around the cabin. They they kicked the beehive. And now the bees were, you know, they I mean, except the bees are outside the beehive, and you're it's stuck inside the beehive. Yeah, and also they are giant, you know, they they are much larger than you. Giant hairy things. They could easily bench press you and your family. Uh the the creatures climbed on the roof trying to find some way to break into the cabin. The miners, terrified, tore apart their own bunks and used the materials to bolster the door shut. The cabin was pelted with rocks and boulders throughout the night. Just over and over. There was no sleeping that night. Uh the miners shot through a hole in the wall. Uh yeah, shot through a hole in the wall and through uh and through the roof shakes. Excuse me. Okay, I see, yeah. The miners shot through the hole in the wall and through the roof shakes whenever they hear the animals running across the the structure.

SPEAKER_02 53:22

Um you'd think though that that would open the weaken the structure so they could come in through the roof.

SPEAKER_04 53:27

You would think.

SPEAKER_02 53:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 53:28

You'd think. Um, but I don't think it was that they weren't making shots big enough. Well, I'm assuming, first of all, that the holes that were already made in the cabin, they were using those. Okay. Like the chink and the wood and everything. And then I guess there are probably just other holes in the roof as well that either they had already made or were previously there beforehand. Um during the attack, the cabin's metal ventilator cap was torn off, allowing rocks to fall inside. One of these rocks struck Fred Beck, and he moment uh which momentarily rendered him senseless. Uh however, they began to quickly realize as they were shooting these these things, they would be quickly out of ammunition. Yeah. So the miners kept a large fire burning and only fired when the creatures actively tried to force their way in. Uh Beck even reported they yelled at the creatures, saying, If you leave us alone, we'll leave you alone and we'll go home in the morning. Uh in Beck's 1967 account, again, this is, you know, one of the things, this was another one of those things that wasn't talked about right away. Yeah, this wasn't reported at the time. This was reported in 1967, well after the event happened. He describes at one point uh that a huge hairy arm smashed through the wall, reaching through a hole in the roof, and grabbed a small axe. Luckily, Beck was able to wedge the axe head against the roof Batten? B-A-T-T-N Batten? Batten, yeah. And Marion Smith fired his rifle along the along the handle, causing the creature to release it. So some tried to come in.

SPEAKER_02 55:00

See, that is Patterson Gimli.

SPEAKER_04 55:05

And my axe. Um, by 4 a.m. dawn, the attack ceased. The miners opened the door to find the area littered with boulders and massive human-like tracks. And evidence that the creatures had attempted to dig under the cabin base during the night.

SPEAKER_01 55:24

Oh.

SPEAKER_04 55:26

The miners then abandoned their claim and hiked seven miles back to their truck at Spirit Lake. I bet they hiked really, really, really fast. Absolutely. Well, and so on the hike back, this this is called the days after. On the hike back, they collectively vowed to keep the event a secret, fearing they would be ridiculed. It didn't last long. Um, upon reaching Spirit Lake, the first person they encountered was Wilma Welch, the wife of the local forest ranger, Bill Welch. When Marion Smith spoke to Bill Welch, the ranger observed the men were wild and visibly terrified, still clutching their guns in the truck. They they had this like, you know. PTSD. Exactly, the shell shock. Yeah. They were they were terrified and they had just lived through the event. Right. And they probably didn't have sorry, they probably didn't have any sleep that night, too. So it's like it is tired anxious, right? Um, which is a horrible state to be in. Um, according to historical researcher John Pickering, the miners share their story, because we don't know exactly how the story started to be spread. So he's assuming the miners share their story at the Blue Ox Tavern in Kelso that same Friday night. I get it, because like if you just went through all that stuff, even if you say I we will never talk about this, you've got to tell someone.

SPEAKER_02 56:44

Well, and and and if you're in that state and you have some alcohol in you, you're gonna Well, but also this was 1924.

SPEAKER_04 56:52

I don't know when the prohibition started. You know this. Ash with the facts. That would have been in 1921. Okay. So technically, alcohol was prohibited.

SPEAKER_01 57:05

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 57:06

Um that said, that doesn't mean that that the um uh Blue Ox tavern didn't have alcohol, but legally, well, they legally they couldn't purchase alcohol. It doesn't mean they couldn't I get well, they can't technically sell it either, but uh, I don't know. I I know that there was like some technicality where you could drink alcohol, you just couldn't purchase or why do you have a tavern if you don't have alcohol? Well, it was a tavern before the prohibition. Okay, and they just kept the name.

SPEAKER_01 57:36

I mean, you know, they serve Kool-Aid.

SPEAKER_04 57:40

We have some good lemonade that we would love to serve you guys. Yummy. Um, anyway, so uh once shared, the accounts spread rapidly to the point where just like newspapers got a hold of it, right? And it kind of went crazy from there. Uh the following week, only two. Oh. I have to correct myself. It was 1920. Okay. To 1933. I hate it when I'm wrong about stuff.

unknown 58:08

That's funny.

SPEAKER_04 58:09

But you correct yourself. That was a quick correction. Yeah, so thank you. Okay. I know why I said 1921, but I'll tell you later. Okay. Is it because that the 21st, it was the 21st Amendment? Okay, okay. I know one of those was the 21st Amendment. I don't remember if that was Prohibition or the end of Prohibition. One of those was the 21st. I remember because that's the drinking age here in the United States, 21.

SPEAKER_01 58:31

That's a good way to remember it.

SPEAKER_04 58:32

Except there are two different alcohol-related amendments, and I've forgotten which one it was. Anyway, um Meanwhile, back to the story. Meanwhile. Uh the following week, only two of the five original miners, Fred Beck and Leroy Smith, were convinced to return to the site.

SPEAKER_02 58:50

Wait, only two of the five. Yeah, there are five people.

SPEAKER_04 58:54

Right. More than half said, I will never go back.

SPEAKER_01 58:57

I don't blame them.

SPEAKER_04 58:58

Yeah, neither do I. But they they were they didn't go by themselves. They were accompanied by a reporter from the Portland News. Oh, and that'll take care of things. And two Portland police detectives, William Denon and Herbert Van Uh Volkenburg. Oh, okay. Yes. So very, very tough detective guys. It's probably talking like this, eh? Uh see.

SPEAKER_02 59:22

Not if they're from Washington. Yeah, you're right.

SPEAKER_04 59:24

You're right. From Washington. Um, so I think it's interesting. Uh though those two. I said that. I said that thing again. I said it and I said it as the the vamp. But the two detectives that I just mentioned, yes, there are multiple different accounts on how they reacted, and I think they both probably are true. Uh, one of them was that they were during the the trek there, they were really scared. Like there was just a lot of tension in the air. It was kind of a windy day, and at one point in time, wind blew hard enough to make like brush shake. Oh, and they both pulled their guns out, their guns out, and they fired a couple of rounds into uh the foliage.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:07

Um although you can't blame them.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:10

No, no, I I don't blame like look, I would be terrified too. But also, uh, from another account that I read, they completely dismissed everything. And I think, and I so I talk about that. Um, so the detectives had dismissed it when they got back, claiming the men probably moved the boulders or uh moved the boulders by themselves, and then somebody else is like, how well what about the the footprints? And then the guy just like made a a big foot footprint with his foot, and he's like, There you go, that's how you did it, which I think is such like way to just like look at this, you know, horribly damaged cabin and just come to the the quickest, easiest, and most inaccurate conclusion ever. All it was just a big old hoax. Um, even though it's this is property that was actively making them money, right? Uh that they abandoned, that they never went back to. Um, they you know they let it basically get repossessed by the government uh because they just never went back to it after this. Um so you know, it doesn't make any sense. Uh, but when you look at Wikipedia at at Ape Canyon, right, uh that's the story that you know Wikipedia will go with. Um that uh oh yeah, it was it was debunked really quickly because you know the police officers just came in and said, Oh, the boulders were probably moved, and uh the you can make those footprints yourself. So that's there are a few theories, okay, including that one. Here's another fun theory. It's really fun. A group of young campers from a local YMCA camp were responsible for the attack.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:50

And you know, YMCA stands for Young Men's Christian Association. So that would be something that those young Christian boys would be doing. Absolutely, definitely.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:59

I mean, I I will say you're right, it that is what it stands for. That doesn't mean that all Christian boys act that's true, you know. These were these are acting. If this is true, which I don't think it is, uh, they would be acting like young boys, right? Uh Christian or otherwise. Um, but yeah, so so this theory is that the the YMCA, these local boys, local young campers from the YMCA were responsible for the attack, likely throwing rocks at the cabin in retaliation for prior conflict uh with the miners. So apparently there was some thing that happened with them and the miners, some some conflict. Um, but here's some problems with that. So the YMCA campers were indeed in the area and did encounter the miners on Wednesday, July 9th. However, an article in the uh Orgonian.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:52

Okay, Oregonian. Oregonian.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:54

I always have a hard time with that title. Um, which this this article is from July 13th, I believe, 1924. Okay. Uh, titled YMCA Boys Stage Hike confirms that the campers returned to their base at Spirit Lake on Thursday, July 10th. So they couldn't have been there. Uh so the campers were at their camp seven miles away on the night of the attack. So it would have been improbable or even impossible for them to, you know. They can't be both places, well, especially not a seven mile height. Seven mile height at night. In rugged terrain. Right. It's it's mountainous area. I mean, you know, you're not gonna make that. Um, also, the cabin, according to reports, were was pretty messed up. And so I put in a fun little joke. From the sounds of it, not even the villagers could have done that much damn damage. The the the YMCA, the villagers.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:48

Oh.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:49

Why YMCA? Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:51

The village people.

unknown 1:03:54

Gosh darn it.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:56

I you know, as I wrote the joke, I was like, I should probably double check and make sure that's the name. I should have the village people. Guys, pretend like I said village people the first time and laugh.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:05

Then it's funny. Thank you. Thank you. Wait, say it.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:08

Okay. Uh-uh. From the sounds of it, not even the village people could have done that much damage.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:14

Good joke. Thank you.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:16

I appreciate that. Thanks. I will pretend like it was real. Okay. Uh, and then the third theory uh comes from Philip Hugh Howell, who wrote under the name uh, I believe it's George Toskey. Um course.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:29

Yeah. Because if my name was Philip Howell, I'd write under George Toskey.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:33

Well, I think the reason why he was a member of the port gamble, uh, I'm gonna pronounce this incorrectly, uh, Scalum Nation, uh uh uh Native American nation. All right. Uh and he was the editor of the newspaper The Real American, which was dedicated to Native American affairs. Oh.

unknown 1:04:50

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:50

And so so this theory about this is actually based in misinterpretation of what he was saying. So shortly after the attack, uh Totsky published an article titled Apes Declared to Be Sia Tik Indians. C- S-E-E-A-T-I-K Indians. Okay. And then he explained that a small group of Indians were the ones that attacked the cabin. So, you know, after reading a little bit of that, the majority was like, oh, great, problem solved. It was it was just, you know, it was those pesky Native Americans that were that were doing it, you know. Uh but in that same article, he goes on to describe these uh Siatic Indians as an elusive band of people who lived on the mountain, characterized as being seven to eight feet tall and covered in reddish brown hair.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:42

So that's just another name for Bigfoot.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:44

Exactly. Basically, he this was probably an attempt to educate the public about indigenous beliefs in the area, but the nuance got lost to the public. And so they were just like, Oh, well, yeah, human Indians obviously did it.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:56

That's right.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:56

I'm not gonna read any further than that because you know, if I have to do that, I have. Think I don't want to do that. I have to read too. I have to read as well. So uh, but I think you know, the last little bit, just a an important thing to remember about all this. The miners worked on that site for two years, invested significant labor and money, and built a substantial cabin just weeks before the incident. Uh the and these miners never returned to the claim. Uh they these miners never returned to their claim after the night of July 10th, 1924. Um the mineral interests ultimately reverted back to the public. So something happened. Right. And it was something extreme enough to make these five miners, which that's a dangerous job.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:47

Well, and it's a it's a muscular job.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:50

I mean, that's they were using a lot of dynamite, and so you know, it wasn't there wasn't just actual mining. There was a lot of explosions and things, but but shoveling and all that, yeah. And they were outdoorsmen, right? And they were armed.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:01

These were not wimpy guys.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:02

No, no, and they they were they weren't um they weren't city folk either, like, and so something happened to make them leave. And I I think it was probably the account that they had.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:16

Okay. Well, we're gonna move up a little bit further now.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:20

Um same location though, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:07:22

No, Minerva, Ohio. Oh, oh no, no, you're right. Let's yeah, let's do that. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:27

Yeah, Ape Canyon is near Mount St. Well, it's near the Mount St. Helen area.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:32

So this is interesting. And let's um okay, so we're gonna we're gonna um And I know that one was a little bit longer.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:39

Um so thank you for staying with us.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:42

So we're gonna move the way back is gonna switch dates a little bit because this happened in 1980.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:49

Yeah, so we're no longer going in chronological order.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:51

Right.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:51

Uh now it's just fun topic by topic. We're going in geographical order. Exactly. Plus, I feel like kind of after 19, yeah, after the 1930s. We're modern? Yeah, we can call it modern enough where now we're just sharing fun. Um, you know, Bigfoot stories.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:06

Okay, so Sasquatch.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:08

Whatever.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:09

The 1980 eruption of Mount St. Helens, which is at that same same area. Uh Sasquatch Lands? Yes. Is uh obviously etched in history is one of the most devastating natural disasters in modern times. However, whispers of a different kind of story have persisted in the shadows, a tale involving the U.S. military and their alleged involvement with moving Bigfoot-like creatures to safety in the wake of the disaster. And in the years, and this is from um uh this is from paranormal insight.co.uk. Okay. And it's called The Bigfoot Rescue Mission. Wait, so this is this is British people talking about British people always give us the good stories.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:59

I mean, that's the the the magazine that I've been reading is uh 14 times, which is from the the UK. The UK um yeah, and also just one more thing before you get back to the story. This uh at least from the start, the the beginning of it, this is one of the first times that the there's been a government conspiracy that I've heard of that I'm actually like happy about. I I like the fact that they might be going in and you know relocating the Sasquatches from dangerous areas and and moving them to you know safer environment environments potentially. I like it, assuming that they aren't hostile.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:33

Okay, well, some of it is not it's called the Bigfoot Rescue Mission. This is the article that sounds good. And it says um these tales describe large hairy humanoid creatures being removed from the area after after the eruption um by military personnel. The accounts varied, but many shared striking similarities. Sightings of large covered trucks leaving restricted zones, unmarked helicopters hovering over remote areas, and strange communications overheard on radio frequencies. And this is the eighties, right? This is the eighties. The most compelling claims suggests that injured or deceased creatures were located by search and rescue teams in the aftermath of the eruption. Witnesses allege that these creatures were either transported for medical care or removed under strict uh secrecy to avoid public scrutiny. While the US's mil the US military's presence during the Mount St. Helen eruption is well documented, its official role was centered around evacuation efforts, disaster relief, and containment of the immediate fallout. Yet some believe their actions extended beyond these duties.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:47

Sorry.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:52

Okay. We're 13 now.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:54

A retired National Guardsman, speaking anonymously years later, claimed to have been stationed near Mount St. Helens during the operation. According to his account, special teams were dispatched to remote areas inaccessible to civilians. He described a hushed atmosphere surrounding these missions and hinted at the recovery of bodies not human in appearance. He recounted how some of the recovered remains were described as massive with long matted fur and features that seemed neither fully human nor animal. Another account comes from a local logger who claimed he saw military personnel carefully removing what appeared to be a large hairy body from the site. He described seeing a black helicopter, I love those black helicopters, landing nearby and military personnel loading the body onto the aircraft before it quickly departed. A particularly chilling tale emerged from a firefighter who worked in the region during the cleanup efforts. He described stumbling upon a cave with charred remains of what appeared to be several large humanoid creatures. Shortly after reporting his discovery to his superior, he was allegedly clas uh escorted from the site and ordered to remain silent about what he had seen, telling him that it was classified.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:22

So apparently he didn't uh follow uh instructions very well.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:27

It was only classified for a little while. So, okay, so then then we're gonna go back to 1978. I okay I'm gonna talk about this.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:37

Because I guess I guess I got I got two I got two okay there are two wolves within me, and I don't know which one to feed. Um one wolf is like, okay, Operation, what was it, rescue, Bigfoot Rescue or whatever?

SPEAKER_02 1:12:50

Bigfoot rescue, I think they called it. Yeah, up the Bigfoot Rescue Mission, the untold story of Mount St. Helens. And that was the title of the article.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:57

If that if that's like the true actual nature of that, I love it. I love the fact that you know they they may might have like some understanding that there's there are things in there and they're going in to try to preserve trying to trying to help out. But then there's the more um we gotta get rid of the evidence so people don't know they're really real. Not only that, but also I don't I don't remember if this that was it was this area. Where is um I want to say Panther Creek, Panther River? Same area, okay. Cause there was also there's been um reports, conspiracies about uh a base in there that did a lot of specifically a lot of nuclear uh tests, or at the very least, had rad nuclear radioactivity elements within that base.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:44

And it was a company, it was like there's just there was this big uh warehouse, and that was on an expedition exting. Yeah, and and they we kind of argued about the right, yeah, because yeah, because we we don't agree with a lot all their uh conclusions there.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:57

But that's that's a whole different episode for a different day. But one of the conclusions they did come to was that it was uh likely that there was something there that had at the very least contaminated potentially that it could have pot contaminated some wildlife with nuclear radiation.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:12

They were doing a lot of the plutonium building for the tests that they're gonna do.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:17

For the Manhattan project and those Yep, and all of the they were leaking stuff into the waterways.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:23

And so the more cynical side of me thinks that maybe this could have been an excuse to go in there and further clean up a lot of their evidence of of animal testing and other animal contamination things.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:38

Well, and then you have our our good friend the truck driver who shot the dogmen and said that the FBI came up to him and said that's one of our assets.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:46

That's one of our yeah. So I mean that it could also just be, yeah, the the military, either through experiments or through capture, have some of these you know creatures, and it wasn't they weren't rescuing um they they were cleaning up the the the corpses of the things that had died during that.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:03

Come on, let's let's talk about Area 57. I mean uh we we talk about government cover-ups. Here they have aliens, biological aliens that they have in Area 57. Allegedly.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:14

Allegedly, allegedly. Yeah, I know, but we just gotta put that out there because we don't know for sure.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:20

It was reported in a congressional hearing that there was biological remains of non-human entities.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:31

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:31

So take that as you will. Okay. Anyway, and and you know, basically we know that they would come in, they have their cleanup crew, and they would say it was a weather balloon. So let's all just a weather balloon, yeah. Definitely. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:49

Now, yeah, now go ahead. So now this is the this is the really cool one.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:53

So um uh a couple of years ago, and it actually it's been quite a few years, I was listening to An Astonishing Legends, and and it was not it was somewhere in that it's like episode 13, 14, 15 in the teens. So it was a long time for them. One of those teenagers, teenagers ones, and they were interviewing Seth Breedlove, and Seth Breedlove is the small town monsters um producer, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:17

Nice guy, also pretty pretty fun documentaries.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:20

Yes, yeah, they do a really good job. And he had um he had just finished when they interviewed him his documentary about the Minerva monster. And so this Minerva monster is um from Minerva, Ohio. And this happened back to Ohio. Yep, yep, yep. And it happened in 1978. Let's see, am I gonna okay?

SPEAKER_04 1:16:47

Um so only a couple of years, not a couple years, but a very small distance between the Mount St. Helens and and this. I mean less than a decade.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:59

Um two days, uh two years. This is 1978 and the uh 1980s when Mount St. Helena.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:07

Okay, very, very similar. Yeah, very close.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:11

Okay, so this is um uh says the story begins in August of 1978 near the town of Minerva, Ohio. The central witnesses were the Caton family. Their grandchildren first reported seeing a huge hairy creature in a gravel pit behind the family's home. The adults went to investigate it and reported seeing it as well. Witnesses describe dark matted hair, about seven feet tall, roughly 300 pounds, glowing or reflective eyes.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:40

That one's new. I mean, it's not new to us now, but that is the first time that specific detail has been mentioned in this episode.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:47

In a lot of my stories, they talk about yellow eyes, but yes, human-like movement on two legs. The creature reportedly returned over several nights. So now there's a a group called first of all, um, let me go back. One of the things Seth Breedlove did because he didn't believe in Bigfoot, and so he joined this group called the North American Wood Ape Group. Okay, and these people believe that Big Feet is just really a primate. Yeah. And and they call him a North American wood ape. And they do a lot of research in the Wichita Mountains in southeastern Oklahoma.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:35

I hear that the Seven Nation Army can't hold them back. Oh, he's going to Wichita. Never mind. Gosh darn it. That pun didn't work either. I that just went right over my head. The song Seven Nation Army.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:48

I'm going to Wichita. Seven Nation Army could hold me back.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:53

Anyway, sorry, go ahead.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:55

Okay. And it sounds like Wichita, but it's spelled O-U-A-C-H-I-T-A like the Indians would have spelled it. Gotcha. So Wichita really is the town Wichita, like Wichita, Kansas, is really an Americanized spelling of the real Wichita. Chicago and uh Milwaukee and a lot of so he said a lot of cities in this interview on Astonishing Legends, he said that they had gone into this remote area in the Wachita Mountains in southeastern Oklahoma, and he was camping with researchers, or as Andrew would like to call them, experts. Experts from the conservancy during the night, something in the woods threw rocks at metal outbuildings at the research camp and then laughed with a gibbon-like sound. And a gibbon is a kind of monkey. So that kind of sound.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:50

Can you uh can you try to recreate it for us?

SPEAKER_02 1:19:52

I will not try to recreate it.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:54

I I don't have the imagination to be able to think of what uh I made her do it. I got her to do it, guys. You're welcome. That's for you guys. Somebody clip that.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:06

So Seth said he doesn't he didn't think it was a hoax. He said the camp was nine miles away from civilization. Jeez. And because of the conditions of the road and the terrain, it took them two and a half hours in a jacked-up four-wheel drive pickup to get down to the site. He also commented that anyone trying to hoax them was risking getting shot because they were all well armed.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:32

Now, I just want to clarify when you say jacked up, you you're you're talking about they had jacked the the thing, so it was like high above the road.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:39

Or he might have meant it was like uh, you know, it's like, whoa, that that thing's really I mean, it was like a four-wheel. Because I hear jacked up and I think it messed up. And I'm like, well, no wonder it was two hours because it's all jacked up. No, it's like it was heavy duty pickup trucks ready to go a four-wheel in someplace cool. It was built for all terrain. Yes, exactly, exactly. He said, anyone, okay, and he said either uh risk getting shot by them or getting attacked by a mountain lion, a bitten by a copperhead, or a bear, which were all prevalent in the area. So he said that he was really kind of a skeptic going into it. Uh he went into the woods with a 30% belief that these things actually existed. Hey, that's that's 30% higher than a lot of other people don't. That's true. He said, but after the events, he came out of the woods with a 75 to 85 percent belief.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:32

I like the fact that there's still there's still roughly 30, you know, 25 to 35 percent of him that doesn't believe it.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:39

I didn't see it. So okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:40

Wait, we gotta we got a question from Ash. Yes. Is there a gauge on how much you believe or not believe something? How do you apparently measure this? It's like a chart somewhere. That's a good point. On a scale of one to ten, how painful is this belief for you?

SPEAKER_02 1:21:56

I almost believe, but not quite.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:59

I want to believe.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:00

Almost believe, but not quite. So then there's this other group. So you have the North American Wood Ape Group. This is the Bigfoot Field Researchers organization, and I know you've gotten information from them. Sure do. Sure have. So Ron Schaefer, who was one of their investigators, otherwise known as an expert.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:20

Experts, experts, all experts agree. That's not true. Anyway, go ahead. Sorry.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:24

He went and interviewed the people uh in 1997. So, you know, it's it's almost 20 years later. Um, so this is his report, and you can find this report on their website, and we'll put the link in there. He says, um, the investigators were Ron Schaefer, Earl Jones, Jim Carnes, Jim Rasteter, Iona Boyce, Barbara Mudrick, uh from the Akron Beacon Journal, and James Shannon, for who was the Stark County Deputy Sheriff.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:55

So it's a lot of names.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:57

It says all of our interviews and field of investigations were conducted on the weekends of September 9th and 30th, 1978. Oh, so it actually was um after it wasn't as late as I thought. He just wrote it up that late. Other interviews were conducted by the late Jim Rasteter and his research team and the press and local law enforcement. We will list the incidents by date since there are several several encounters. There are also many newspaper reports from this time period, mostly from the Akron Beacon Journal. The reader should be aware that these incidents are multiple witness sightings, which adds some credence to the reports.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:37

Would that be considered a uh class A then? I'll I have you'll have to do the class thing because it doesn't say Yeah, I've got uh I'm sure on the report itself it probably does, but you just might not have copied that part, which is you know, makes sense.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:50

Then this is something unusual. The reports of large felines in conjunction with the hominids are a subject that I have never been able. They they actually saw the first sighting was like um Black Panthers with yellow eyes, and as the people got close, these Bigfoot things came out and stood in front like they were protecting these they were protecting, and and as they were, then they heard the Black Panthers say Wakanda Forever.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:15

That's I think so. So that was a really a really bad joke. But no, I mean the episode that we that you know that we already mentioned on Expedition X, they were there to find a Black Panther.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:27

You're right.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:28

Yeah, a Black Panther. And I hadn't put that together. You're right. I mean, it makes I mean I won't say it makes sense that they that they would be related necessarily. That's the first time that I've heard that detail that they would be trying to protect their feline friends. Um, but it does make, you know, it makes sense that that same area would have, at the very least, both, which means there would be some kind of interaction probably. Like you we have our dogs, they have their cats.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:52

Exactly. Yeah, they're just cat people. They don't like dogs, but they do love cats. I will begin with the first major sighting, which occurred on the 21st of August. Evelyn Caton's family and friends were out on the front porch when they heard noises in the direction of an old chicken coop just to the right of the house. They saw two pairs of yellow eyes that seemed to be reflecting a porch light. Scott Patterson went to his car and turned the headlights on in hopes of getting a better look. The eyes were emitting from what appeared to be two cougar type felines. Then the party saw what looked like a large bipedal, hairy creature step in front of the large cats as if to protect them. This creature then proceeded to lurch towards Patterson's car. The witnesses fled to the house. Run away, run away. And then they called the Stark County Sheriff's Department. While waiting for the deputies, the bipedal creature appeared at the kitchen window about four yards from the kitchen table. Oh no, don't like that. Patterson pointed a 22 caliber pistol at it while Evelyn Caton loaded a 22 caliber rifle. The creature stood outside the window for close to ten minutes. They all could clearly see the creature because of the back porch light. They decided they would not shoot at it unless the creature made advances towards them.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:21

Right. We all know what happens when you do shoot at it.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:24

People get angry. The biped suddenly left without harming anyone. And then there's a sketch of the creature on file at this thing. It doesn't seem to want to bother anyone, Mary Ackerman said. It was just curious. We all felt that it just wanted to be friends.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:41

Aw.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:42

I love that. So Deputy Sheriff James Shannon arrived about 15 minutes after the call was made, and about five minutes too late. No, five minutes after the creature left the scene. Yeah. A strong stench was still lingering in the area when Deputy Shannon began to interview the witnesses.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:02

Look, what they don't report is that was actually from the fact that they had pooped themselves from the encounter.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:08

Shannon later told the reporters it smelled like ammonia sulfur.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:13

I take it back. If your poop smells like that, you should probably go see a doctor, actually.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:18

Yes. Extra deputies were brought in and this and searched the entire area on horseback and in jeeps. The land behind Caton's was an old abandoned strip mine. And beyond that were dense woods going up a gradual hill.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:32

And remind me, this is is this the event that happened in this is Minerva. This is okay. This is Ohio. Okay. Okay, because I know that the the the skunk smell, because that's that that sulfur ammonia is also a skunk like smell. That's often associated with m things that are more in the south. But this is this is uh the the the northern, this is way up in the in the north, kind of close to us.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:55

Ohio is like like in because it's right next to West Virginia.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:58

Oh, is it? Yeah. Okay, so never mind then. I don't know my geography.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:02

Okay. So unusual but unsu unsubstantiated footprints were discovered. So August 22nd, Mrs. Mary Ackerman of Minerva drove to the Catens residence to pick up her daughter and friend. Mrs. Ackerman is Evelyn Caton's daughter. As she turned into the driveway, she saw the same creature standing on the top of the hill next to the strip mine. She watched it until it walked out of her view. Hey, Mary. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:31

I mean, it seems more like if it's just standing there, it definitely feels a lot more like this is my territory. You're right. Don't come near me.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:39

That's right. August 23rd, the creature appeared again at the Caton residence. How Howie Caton was not sure if it was the same thing. He fired a gunshot into the air and the figure departed departed. September 8th, during the daylight hours, Mrs. Ackerman observed two ape-like animals across the strip mine. She stated that she thought the creatures were standing in a tree, but wasn't sure because of the distance. Again, she watched them for a while until they were no longer visible in the thick weeds. September 9th, Jim Rastedter interviewed Henry Colt, who lives about five miles east of Minerva on US 30. He told Jim that he was walking through some woods by his house when he caught a glimpse of an unknown furry animal. Mr. Colt said that the animal was squatting next to a tree and let out a sound similar to a loud cough.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:38

Hey, leave me alone, man. I'm doing stuff.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:41

Excuse me, some privacy, please.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:43

Yes. I saw I saw this furry thing around his ankles, and I was like, oh, I'm so sorry, man. I should have knocked. I'm so sorry.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:50

Yeah. Um loud calf. Actually, the incidents leading up to the August 21st sighting began about the first of the month. Miss Caton believes the creature's appearance were due to her husband, Herbert, cutting down the thick brush next to the pit, and that he also dumped some garbage around for the raccoons. Don't dump garbage where you don't want Bigfoots.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:16

Also, like just don't dump garbage. I don't even think raccoons would want, I mean, can raccoons want your garbage because they're in a can. They don't want your garbage.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:26

Well, you know, some people in the country though, they they if it's no strip mined, that's that's their dump. I mean, people would do that. That's fair. They have a garbage dump and they they bring it out there.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:37

That's fair. But yeah, no, that's I mean, that that still seems that's yeah. That's you do it. Bad news bears.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:44

Yeah. Several nights later, Caton's grandchildren and their friends came running in the house crying in a frightened state. They claimed to have seen a large hairy monster in the pit. Mrs. Keck, Mrs. Caton, and Howie Caton went outside to see what scared them. They saw a creature that was covered with dark matted hair. They estimated it to be about 300 pounds and seven feet tall. It just stood there, Mrs. Caton said. It didn't move. But I almost broke my neck running back down the hill. I think I would like Mrs. Caton.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:16

She sounds she sounds fun and colorful. I like her too.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:19

Uh Mrs. Caton claims that she later observed the creature in the daylight. It was just sitting in the pit, picking at the garbage. She could not make out any facial features due to the amount of long hair covering its face. Interesting. So it was yeah, it was in front of its face too. Like a cousin it kind of looks.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:35

Interesting.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:36

She remembered that the creature had no visible neck.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:40

Oh, poor guy. Um so wait, so it's just like no visible neck. So is it what I guess I'm curious, is it there like just like a uh a head on top of shoulders, or is it just shoulders and nothing? Like I'm because no visible neck, I I'm yeah, it's does it look like it's shrugging almost, or is it just completely flat on top? And that there's a I would assume it's just like looks like it's shrugging.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:05

Or the neck is so thick that it just, you know, like like a gorilla.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:10

Yeah, so it looks like like I said, it looks like it's shrugging a little bit. Okay, so I guess gorillas, yeah, they don't really look like they have necks.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:15

So okay, that's that's a good so I'm gonna skip down to the evaluation. Oh there's a sad thing. Uh dogs were killed.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:24

So by by the Yes. Okay, well, I I have a lot less sympathy now for the Sasquatch, unfortunately.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:32

According to the Catens and Mrs. Mudrack, the Sheriff's Department did an excellent investigation. However, there's some conflicting reports. The deputies stayed with the family until the early morning hours. They studied alleged prints and hair and came up with no monster. They covered up incidents to discourage hunters. They supposedly took the soft evidence to a local college in Canton for analysis. When we tried to obtain this evidence, Malone College said they didn't receive it. Many investigators have since talked to the Caton family. I believe that they are sincere people who would have no real benefit to hoax. Evelyn had just been released from the hospital due to an ulcer and a thyroid tumor. Her doctors told her to avoid emotional stress. So why would she fabricate a story like this? She did not need this type of publicity. One must not forget that this is a multiple witnesses incident. With this many witnesses interviewed separately, then as a group, it would be easy for one to slip up, but they all stuck to the same story.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:36

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:37

So they say why this Minerva um incident matters is um most Bigfoot stories involve a lone hunter, a quick glimpse, no follow-up. Minerva had multiple witnesses, repeated encounters, a known location, media coverage, and a police investigation. And so that's why many Bigfoot researchers still consider it one of Ohio's strongest cases.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:03

So I do have an Ohio story as well. This is also from the the um BFRO database. Great. Uh, but before I do that, something I was I was curious about we we mentioned the the different uh uh classes. There's a classification guide. And so I I actually wrote down what they what they say on their website about the different classifications. So this is kind of the intro to that. Uh the nature of these investigations vary. The most complex investigations re involve field searches and experienced trackers and wildlife biologists, surveillance projects, and lab analysis of forensic evidence. The less complex investigations inv involve phone interviews and other steps to verify the revel relevant information. If a witness cannot be contacted and interviewed, etc., the report is not considered credible. So So these guys take it seriously. Yes, and there are I mean, I think the the one that I'm gonna be talking about from Ohio is like, let's see, what report it is. I I I like just literally copied and pasted. I I have two, I don't think we're gonna get to both of them, so I'm gonna do the one from 2000 because it's the the other one was from 1955, but I'm not gonna do that one uh because it's it takes place in Canada. Um so but the the next one is Ohio, and this is report 7718. I know they've got so they've got a lot of reports, and they've got maps. And these the on the reports that they you know publish are ones that they can verify. Right. So here are their classification guides. Uh there's class A, class B, and class C. Class A reports involved clear involve clear sightings in circumstances where misinterpretation or misidentification of other animals can be ruled out with greater confidence. For example, there are several footprint cases that are very well documented. These are considered class A reports because misidentification of common animals can be confidently ruled out. Thus, the potential for misinterpretation is very low. Okay. Class B incidents are incidents where a possible sasquatch was observed at a great distance or in poor lighting conditions. And incidents in any other circumstance that did not afford a clear view of the subject are considered class B reports.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:35

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:36

For example, credible reports where nothing was seen, but distinct and characteristic sounds of Sasquatches were heard are always considered class B reports and never class A, even in the most compelling sound-only cases.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:49

So the thing that Seth Breedlove said he experienced with the rocks and the noises and be considered class B.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:55

It'd be class B according to them. Um this is because of a the lack of a visual element, and it raises a much greater potential for misidentification of the sounds.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:07

Which is it's that makes sense.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:08

Because there are a lot of we talked about bobcat and and foxes and other animals, they can also make a lot of these same things.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:15

And if you're not familiar, or the echoes of something. Yes. Any of that.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:18

Yeah. Um Class C, so so they consider class B still fairly reliable, but just, you know, you weren't able to get that visual. Right. Uh Class C is most secondhand reports or any third hand reports or stories with an untraceable source. These are all considered class C because of the high potential for inaccuracy. Those reports are kept in BFRO archives, but are very rarely listed publicly in this database. Uh the exceptions are for published or locally documented incidents from before 1958, before the word Bigfoot entered the American vocabulary, and sightings mentioned in non-tabloid newspapers or magazines.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:58

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:59

So, that all being said, this uh one I'm about to share with you is a class A. Ooh. Uh, and like I said, it's in Ohio. Um, which is strange um Strange Central, I'll call it. Um I gotta find Well, he's doing that.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:19

Let me mention, and we kind of mentioned it as a joke, but there's a there's a a movie, a tape of Bigfoot that is called the Patterson Gimlin. And I always say it wrong, I say Gimli. She said it right this time. Patterson Gimlin. It's Patterson Gimlin, and it it is considered um the Bigfoot video. And um we we were going to talk about it, but recently um there's a new documentary out. It and it's only right now it's it's going on tour. Um, so we're gonna wait until it we have it's more accessible.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:58

I believe it's called capturing Bigfoot or something along those lines. That but yeah, we we don't we aren't able to watch it yet.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:04

And there's some controversy about it um because it talks about that Patterson Gimlin and and then it might have been a hoax, but but then this their their big claim is that they're going to prove once and for all that it was a hoax.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:15

Right. That's that's kind of the their and that's that's why it's made so much, you know, so many ripples within the community, because I mean, like you said, the the the Patterson Gimlin film is the Bigfoot film, and it's also one of the most um uh analyzed videos. Yes. It's it's like I think the only one that's been analyzed more than than that one is the the JFK assassination.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:41

And they were saying that the the that this Patterson Gimlin is to Bigfoot researchers what that the that JFK video is to um JFK conspiracy theorists. I don't know if you can see this, Ash.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:54

I don't know if you can and and for those of you uh at who are listening, I'm pointing to our we've got a Bigfoot crossing sign. It's got the the classic Bigfoot gate that while not a one-to-one is heavily based on that Patterson Gimli. Yeah, the the the frame of Patty Walking.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:20

So we will we will be doing another Bigfoot and talking more about um the people that have analyzed the tape and what they've said.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:28

Also the history around exactly because some of the the controversy as well as some of the claims that are made could be in part because they were there to film a film/slash documentary about Bigfoot. So they had brought a Bigfoot costume with them. Potentially, potentially I mean, there yeah, somebody has said that they they came to get a gorilla costume from them because I don't think there were any Bigfoot costumes yet at the time.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:53

Well, that's true. It's probably just a primate costume, right? But okay, well we'll we won't go into it because we could that will be another episode, yes, but we wanted to just mention that quickly.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:02

So go right ahead. Um, so this is like I said, report 7718 class A. Um, submitted by witness on Tuesday, January 6th, 2004. Uh, but it happened in 2003, um, in September, on September 3rd, in Miami County, Ohio, which I think that's again another Ohio. It's Ohio. I'm I love the fact that it's Miami County because now you can get both Ohio and Florida together to make like the weird right, you know, just everything, everything is strange. Um, this the location details state that it's state route 202 heading south to Ross Road, then to Wildcat Road. Um, and it's the nearest town is Tip City, nearest road, Wildcat Road. So here's what was observed. Okay. I was with my friends at one of their houses. We were spending the night in a tent in his backyard, and we had a small fire going. We had been hearing strange noises, like some animal grunting or snorting for about 15 minutes, when we noticed a 10 to 12 foot tall, hairy creature walking upright along a tree line at the edge of a cornfield. I hate that already. That's that's terrifying. I can imagine that, and that's why I don't like it, because we're close to both cornfields and tree line edges. Anyway, we could see it since the corn was ha was recently harvested down to the stalks. The creature appeared for about 20 seconds and then looked in our direction and took off into the woods. We could hear tree limbs falling, and we could hear some some more noises as it ran off. It was the scariest moment of my life, and I'm not scared easily. Also noticed, my friend Kevin, who lived on the property, said that he had heard noises a few nights before. Other witnesses. There were there were three other people there. We were all sitting around the fire talking. Other stories. There is a rumor of one incident about three miles away by the little Miami river. So apparently there's I and it doesn't go into any further detail, but there is a precedent already. Time and conditions. It was about 10:30 at night, and the moon and stars were plainly visible. Our visibility was about 50 yards. The environment. A cornfield that was harvested, a rather large woods and a lowland swampy area. Here's what the follow-up investigation report states. The witness noted that the noises sounded like a loud commotion in the woods, almost like people slamming into each other. After the sighting, they were very frightened and went inside to sleep. They stated they didn't um they stated they didn't get much. Understandable. The next day they found some brush and shrubs pushed down. They were on the edge of the woods, bordering a cornfield in the location the alleged creature had walked. The ground was too dry for tracks. The creature was dark brown in color. After it looked in their direction, it started to jog away towards the woods. Um I think I think that that's it. That was the last page that I had.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:26

So one of my favorite research places, Reddit. This is from this was posted by BYU High Scoop. Huh. I wonder what school he went to. I know. He says, This is this happened a few years ago, but I remember it vividly. This happened in Kanoosh, Utah. Is that Kanoche? Kanoche K-A-N-O-S. I love it. Kanoosh. Kanoosh, Kanoche, potato, potato. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:44:52

I have no idea, actually. We're probably saying it wrong somehow still.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:55

So please let us know. My two brothers and I were hunting and had our younger horse with us and our dog. We were just hunting small game, basically wasting time hunting squirrels and getting the colt used to hunting so we could use him in the future when we needed a pack horse. Okay, okay. So you're taking your horse for a walk. We had been walking. Sorry. We had been walking off the trail for at least two miles, maybe three. It was quite light outside, but still getting close to sunset. We were hiking uphill. Are you okay?

SPEAKER_04 1:45:29

Yeah, I'm good. I'm good. I just woke up. Yeah, no, I'm so and I I don't know where where Kanushi is. I I l used to live in Utah for about two years, and so um walking uphill is not an easy thing. Just wanted I don't know if that comes into play, but man, that is yeah, as a Midwesterner, I was not ready for it when I when I first started doing it. And uphill is very different uh to us Midwesterners as it is to like uphill, we think, oh, it's a small, you know, we have tiny hills, they have mountains there, and so their uphill is like actually up a mountain.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:02

Up a mountain, yeah. So they were hiking uphill, gross, and their dog suddenly began acting very squirrely. His hair stood up on along his back, shoulders, and neck. He began huffing and snorting and getting very anxious. And this is the dog? The dog.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:20

Because a colt do the colt. Okay, okay, I was gonna say, because colts are also, I mean, horses are easily frightened.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:25

So that's that's he was growling and woofing, but repeatedly looking in several different directions. At the same time, the colt was be began acting very spooky. His eyes widened, heads thrown up high, nostrils flared, and he began to dance around nervously. He was letting out snorts and breathing loud and heavily. So both animals were spooked. Shortly after the animals began acting up, we came up over a part of the hill where it flattened out for a couple hundred yards before it curved up steeply again. As we came up over the hill, there were trees 30 to 40 yards ahead, and I did a double take. There was a huge black hairy creature with bright yellow eyes standing slightly behind a tree, but peering out at us as if it was making a very poor and careless effort to conceal itself. It was just massive. Its thighs were about the size of tree trunks.

SPEAKER_04 1:47:29

Jeez.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:30

And its chest was easily four feet wide, if not larger. One arm was hanging loose at its side, and the other one was holding onto the tree next to it. The creature was swaying back and forth. It stared at us for only a few seconds, and we stared back, and then we heard a very low chest-shaking rumble, like the sound an elephant makes. That I I am making animal sounds again.

SPEAKER_04 1:48:02

It's okay. I mean, I'm glad you didn't try to do the trunk one because I can't do that. I look silly when trying.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:08

As it made that sound, it turned and sprinted up the hill ahead of us and into the line of trees that covered the rest of the mountain ahead, as far as we could see. As soon as it began running, our barking dog bolted and disappeared into the trees after it. Oh, it chased it? Yes.

SPEAKER_04 1:48:32

What a brave dog.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:37

We could hear the dog barking further and further away, and then silence for several seconds.

SPEAKER_04 1:48:43

No, the dog better be okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:45

Suddenly we heard a very faint yelp off in the distance, and the yelping continued and slowly got louder and louder until we saw the dog emerge from the tree line and come barreling back at us. Good. I was about to be real real upset. The dog had many small cuts and was very dirty and scared poopless, but was otherwise.

SPEAKER_04 1:49:09

You went to BYU.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:12

I can't believe this language.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:14

But otherwise in one piece. We busted our butts back down the mountain after walking for what seemed to be wait. What was he?

SPEAKER_04 1:49:26

Ah. Bust our asses. That's what she didn't say. I thought it was busted our balls, and I was like, that's a weird thing to say. Busted our asses, that makes a lot more sense. Okay. Anyway, go ahead.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:35

Thank you. After walking for what seemed like forever, we found an old empty cabin that was actually in quite good shape. We went inside and unlocked the garage man door and led the spooky colt through it. So it's not the garage door, but the garage man door. Is it spooky or spooked? I would I'm he led the spooky. He says it's spooky, but it's probably spooked, is what we're talking about.

SPEAKER_04 1:50:00

I've not heard that Utah slang, but that doesn't I'm not I wouldn't be surprised that they would call spooked animal a spooky animal.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:08

We then locked the door and covered the little window at the top of the door with some newspaper and masking tape. We went inside the little cabin and made sure every window and door was locked. All night long we could hear something circling that cabin. Branches and sticks snapping, loud rustling hisses, etc. We didn't leave that cabin until daylight and we practically ran our Oh that one's even asterisk asses. Back to the truck. Side note the creature ran so fast with such ease, I bet our horse wouldn't even have trouble. No. Would okay. I bet our horse would even have trouble outrunning that thing. So that thing could have run faster than a horse, is what he was saying. Which I mean, according to the reports, that checks out. Two, second side note, no, I have not hunted since.

SPEAKER_04 1:51:07

Really? That stopped him. Wow.

SPEAKER_02 1:51:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:51:09

Three, side note, I still fear going outside at night, even in pretty densely populated areas. Hmm. So obviously, this experience really stuck with him.

SPEAKER_04 1:51:23

It kind of, I mean, I won't say it ruined the outdoors for him, but it definitely made camping uh difficult. It's not impossibility.

SPEAKER_01 1:51:29

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 1:51:30

Jeez, port. I mean, but I don't blame him. That would be terrifying. I'm I'm guessing probably what ended up happening, which I get. Probably the the dog, like as I was rushing to to whatever, the the you know, the Sasquatch.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:43

Right.

SPEAKER_04 1:51:44

Uh the Sasquatch probably just, you know, probably just yeah, tapped it out of the way, which I a tap from something like that probably knocked it a couple of rolling in the yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:51:54

So you know, again, the terrain there is not like soft Midwest hills.

SPEAKER_04 1:51:59

We're talking cactus and rough grass and it's uh it's considered well, certain places are considered high high desert desert. Uh and so yeah, you're gonna have a lot of uh brush. Yeah, yeah, the grass is gonna be a lot tougher. Everything is gonna feel a lot more uh gruff. Yeah, honestly, like that I when I moved back to uh when I moved back to Illinois, that was one of the first times I felt comfortable walking outside with my uh shoes off again. Yeah, you can't really do that in Utah because that will hurt and there are things that will, you know, stick in your feet. It's not a fun time.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:33

No, so it's not uh uh so there's more stories, there's lots of stories about Bigfoot. And um, you know, it's one of those things where at this point we don't know what we don't know. And it seems like there's enough organizations out there that are really trying to document this um that maybe this is something we should be considering.

SPEAKER_04 1:52:59

Yeah. I mean, I the in the the the interesting thing. I know. I was about I stopped myself. Good for you. The hard thing when it comes to Bigfoot is that there's so much there's so much uh eyewitness evidence, and there's even some physical evidence, specifically uh tracks. Right. Really are some of the only pieces of evidence. But other uh pieces of evidence that usually come with any other kind of animal doesn't exist. I mean we don't have we we don't have bodies. Uh sometimes I there's there's some places that do have hair. I don't know if there are if there's been any analyzed humanoid, non-human hair that's that's been sampled.

SPEAKER_02 1:53:40

Well, and I've heard, and I can't remember where, I don't know if it was a documentary I watched years ago, but that Bigfoot bury their their dead. Which they actually will come and get them and bury their dead. Which would also will show why there's no dead bodies.

SPEAKER_04 1:53:57

That and also it would it would show that they that that they are intelligent, like a community, yes, yeah. And so but you know that that's why there's there's so many different uh schools of thought when it comes to Bigfoot, whether it it is just uh like an ape-like creature, or if there's something more an Indian tribe, right? Yeah, yeah, I mean, and and different different different nations have different thoughts about whether he's like a spirit or it's a tribe of Native Americ or Native Americans or other things.

SPEAKER_02 1:54:28

There were some um there were some Native Americans who worked on who worked, I think it was in Utah, Utah, Colorado, the theory.

SPEAKER_04 1:54:43

Navajo. Navajo, that's all I think.

SPEAKER_02 1:54:45

Anyway, they they were policemen on the reservation.

SPEAKER_04 1:54:48

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:54:49

And I remember he was in an uh I can't I remember listening to the interview with him, and he was talking about he was the one because he was Native American who was always set out sent out for the weird, weird cases. And he said, um, the Bigfoot were known by the Native Americans. That was just, you know, and they didn't talk about them because they they wanted their privacy. Yeah, and so you you won't hear a lot of Native American people talking about Bigfoot, even though they have well documented cases because they respect those creatures and the lives that they live.

SPEAKER_04 1:55:30

Right. And obviously, you know, we do talk about it, but I I mean I don't think it's out of a uh a it's not out of a sign of disrespect. We talk about it because we want to to know more. We want to know how we can um, I guess, you maybe coexist or or um we want to to learn more. A curiosity. Yeah, yes, and and you know, and and also sometimes they do show themselves to us. And we talked a lot about a lot of the the reports are are kind of more of the north, but besides some of the Ohio stuff. Um, but a lot of our reports were more you know northern, but we also know there are a lot of other stories that you know in the south, uh they're they're they can range to be a lot scarier. And granted, the siege is also kind of scary, but that was also kind of their fault too. Um, you know, it was the so you know, but we there are definitely a lot more stories out there as well.

SPEAKER_02 1:56:24

And and they're they're all over the United States. If you look at either the um the Bigfoot group that we just read from, and again the links will be on there, yes, or the North American wood ape, they have a a map and and they concentrate a lot in that southern Oklahoma, but then going south uh all the way to the Gulf. There's they have little big feet, bigfoots, um to to show where the sightings have been, and that area is just it's like one big Kentucky, Tennessee, and this is more Arkansas, Oklahoma, Texas, Louisiana, you know, Central Skunk Ape. Yeah, and Boggy Creek. You know, those kinds of that that are in the the South South. And so um hopefully what we did today is is made you kind of think about um something else that might be part of our wonderful um earth that we live in that we share with uh who knows what we share it with.

SPEAKER_04 1:57:26

One of the fun things about keeping an open mind when it comes to all these things. I mean, you know, I I try to keep my mind open when it comes to uh cryptids, as well as when it comes to the Fae, as well as when it comes to uh ghosts and even you know things not from this planet.

SPEAKER_02 1:57:41

Except UFOs. He's really close-minded about this whole UFO thing. Oh my gosh, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:57:45

UAPs, UFOs, I just I don't believe that there are things in the sky that we can't explain. Um, but um Yeah, I'm not saying that I'm like the perfect example because there are some things that I still, you know, I it's a it's a tough build to swallow. So, you know, um I guess you know our encouragement is um besides doing the the typical things that you would do, especially if you like this video, you know, go ahead and and hit that like button or or favorite it, whatever, whichever platform you're on. Um follow or subscribe, yeah, share with your friends.

SPEAKER_02 1:58:16

Um let us know what you think. And if you have any other ideas or comments, we we really I love listening to those, reading those and responding.

SPEAKER_04 1:58:25

And usually I also read them after she's already, you know, read them. I say this one. I gotta show you this comment. And I yeah, and and um and also, if you have a story of your own, email us at A AFT Attic. Sorry. VFT, excuse me, I don't know. A VFT Attic voices from the attic. VFT addict at gmail.com.

SPEAKER_01 1:58:52

Great, good job.

SPEAKER_04 1:58:53

Thank you. I I only messed that up once. So, thank you guys for spending some time in the attic with us.

SPEAKER_02 1:59:00

Yeah, have a great week. We'll talk to you next week. Bye.