We Ranked Every Wedding Lawn Game So You Don’t Have To

Bryce & Manda from Porterhouse Video argue about what wedding cocktail game is the best, a bride complains about a makeup artist demanding tips, and talking about kids at weddings! This is a full episode of The For Better or Worse podcast! 

00:00 - Intro 
01:10 - Wedding Lawn Game Tournament! 
44:36 - Looking for Vendors to Shout Out!
45:15 - Make-up Artist has Mandatory Tips!
01:02:28 - Will Kids ruin your Wedding?

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Transcript

SPEAKER_05 0:00

Hey lovebirds. Welcome to For Better or Worse, a podcast where we talk about everything weddings, vendors, and love. Amanda.

SPEAKER_00 0:06

I'm Bryce. We're two wedding videographers based out of Rochester, New York. Who are also married. Yes. And we have our rings this time. What the f The first Meg. Today we're going to be talking about what lawn game is the king of wedding cocktail hour. Love that. Yes. Thank you.

SPEAKER_05 0:27

We're also going to be reading a Reddit story and talking about whether or not tipping is mandatory.

SPEAKER_00 0:32

Which mandatory is not the word that you would really think about for tips.

SPEAKER_05 0:36

So you know it would be mandatory if Tory was my middle name.

SPEAKER_00 0:40

Mandatory. That's funny. That's a good thing. We're also going to be talking about children at weddings, children being a part of weddings specifically.

SPEAKER_05 0:50

Not as guests. Children who are involved in the wedding day as being a flower girl, ring bearer, junior groomsman or bridesmaid.

SPEAKER_00 0:58

The pros, the cons, the tips and tricks that we've seen, the stories, whether or not it's a great idea to have a kid there as a part of your wedding day, and what you can do to make it the best. It's never going to be the best, but it's going to be memorable. Everybody has lawn games at their wedding. If it's like a nice day and they have an outdoor, like either a tent or a place with like a lawn as their venue, they always have they'll they'll tell me like, oh, the cocktail hour, it's we're doing something like super quirky. We're gonna have to have cornhole. And I but like the cornhole has like our last name.

SPEAKER_05 1:33

The cornhole boards have our last names on them. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:36

And like or like uh um an imprint of the dog, like of our baby dog.

SPEAKER_05 1:42

I actually I was like, why is this a thing? But then I found out that a lot of people actually get them at their wedding shower.

SPEAKER_00 1:49

Oh, so that's actually cool. That's right. So it's probably not something you know that they came up with, but something they were like bestowed upon.

SPEAKER_05 1:57

They were given, and they were like, we can use this on the day because this will actually be the day that we are Mr. and Mrs.

SPEAKER_00 2:03

in Sir Last Name here, which they'll be cornholing for the truth.

SPEAKER_04 2:08

Yes, they will truly be cornhole. But if we cornhole after We are legally cornholing right now, hell yeah.

SPEAKER_05 2:19

But I found that out because like in the beginning, I was like, why are people getting monogrammed cornhole games for their wedding? And then I was like, oh, it's for their like life. It's not for it has nothing to do with their wedding day. They're just also using it for their first like party as Mr. and Mrs. and then they'll use them later on at like gatherings and stuff that they also host. So it's actually kind of a cute thing.

SPEAKER_00 2:49

Very, very cute.

SPEAKER_05 2:50

But I'm not gonna lie, I think it's overdone.

SPEAKER_00 2:53

We're going to take we we've taken all the different laws that we could think of.

SPEAKER_05 3:00

And by laws, we mean games that you would not put on your dining room table when you have guests over. Yeah. They're meant to be played at like a bar outside. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:11

Or like a campfire party.

SPEAKER_05 3:14

Or like at camp, you would see these oversized games, or you bring them to the beach, and like this is like the beach game that we play, or we bring them to the park. Like, like those kind of oversized or outdoor only games. Not saying like soccer goals and stuff like that. But there's a category that we found.

SPEAKER_00 3:35

We thought of all these different kinds of games, and um I wanted to. I don't know which ones you picked. I'm gonna I put them into a March Madness bracket. Um, it's March now. It won't be March when this episode comes out, but it's March now. So we're doing March. No, it'll be March when it comes out. No, this isn't coming out Monday. This is coming out the next Monday. Um so I'm putting the madnesses, it's not in March. Yeah, the madnesses. Whoa, we're back in March. April Fools. Um I've taken all of the long games that either we've seen at weddings or I've seen online do a wedding, or I've seen at like parties and stuff, and I've put them I've put it them up. You put it them somewhere. I've put them in a March madness bracket, and we're gonna take some time to go through and just see who is the king of, you know, who's the king of the long games, who's the best to have at your weddings, what are the the best ones and they beat out it's single elimination. So if you know we're deciding between the two and the two lose, it's out. Okay. But we will keep track of like who's and what place at the end because that's you know, that's that's your job. How it'll work. So right.

SPEAKER_05 4:50

So my thought going forward is how easy is it for you to leave this game or have somebody join in.

SPEAKER_02 5:00

Okay, right?

SPEAKER_05 5:01

Like it can't be like, no, sorry, you can't join in because we've already, you know, like we've been at a wedding where people were playing Settlers of Catan and like I had no idea what was going on, but it seemed like they had already started their mission. And you can't just jump into that.

SPEAKER_00 5:15

No, yeah, right.

SPEAKER_05 5:16

But I'm thinking of games where like it really doesn't matter if like I've played one or two rounds and then I want to go hang out with cousins I haven't seen.

SPEAKER_02 5:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 5:26

Or like somebody comes over and they're like, Can I get in? Yeah, go on, throw a thing or something.

SPEAKER_00 5:32

Easy to pick up, fun to play, without like killing yourselves because you're you're in wedding attire for the most part.

SPEAKER_05 5:41

You're you're dressed nicely. We will either say from black tie to Sunday picnic. Like one way or another, you're either wearing nice khakis and a polo all the way up to suit tie, spike heels, long gowns.

SPEAKER_00 5:56

So fun to play, easy to pick up, fun to play and easy to play in just join in. And then also third category or third slash fourth category is it's gotta be fun to watch. Like if you're if you're stuck on the outside and you're watching two groups of people playing.

SPEAKER_05 6:12

Like you're you're under like the little like pavilion and you're watching some people play while you're having your crackers and cheese and your little drink.

SPEAKER_00 6:20

Is it fun to watch? Is it entertaining? Enjoyable to watch.

SPEAKER_05 6:22

Yes, like where you can go like, oh, like one of those things. Okay, all right, I like that. That's actually a really good thing that I didn't even think of.

SPEAKER_00 6:30

Those criteria is kind of what's gonna guide us. I have the seated, I just I picked I picked the ones that I came up with the most and that come up the most to put on top of the first seed.

SPEAKER_05 6:40

Um I think the other consideration that I will have for this that I think is important to also keep in mind is whether or not bad sportsmanship will arise because of this type of game. Like, how competitive is this game to the point where it may actually spoil the rest of the evening because this game is very intense.

SPEAKER_00 7:04

I think that that falls into fun because like because like like I like baseball. Baseball's fun. I never played baseball at what it's like. I would never join a baseball league with like a bunch of grown men because they're gonna be able to do that. People take it really seriously. Yeah, they're gonna take it seriously.

SPEAKER_05 7:20

Some people are there just to keep their cholesterol down, some people are there just to you know enjoy being outside again. But like I said, it's gonna be something that I'm like, people are gonna get really heated while playing this game potentially. Exactly. Or if it's a team thing, are you gonna be mad at like your random person who's paired up with you the rest of the night? Like, are you guys gonna fight outside of this wedding over this? So I'm that is something that I might not like use as like a ranking thing, but it's something I'm gonna keep in the back of my mind throughout this. Sounds good to me. Let's see. We've got um uh you gotta tell me first of all, is cornhole on this list or is this everything but cornhole? The cornhole's on this list. Okay, all right.

SPEAKER_00 8:03

Like I said, I have a seeded, okay. So it's it's it's it's the number one seed. And then then like the ones I've seen that are most popular are like one through four. And then like don't know what you're saying. This the seeds are like who's in first place versus who's in last place, and like going down. And then when you seed it, the first place always plays last place. And then like it goes it stepladders from there. That's why upsets happen.

SPEAKER_05 8:31

I'm upset that you just thought I understood any of that.

SPEAKER_00 8:34

It's all good. We'll just start with the first game. This is the number one seed through the number sixteen seed. Um, this is the number sixteen seed because I don't like this game at weddings. I think it's one of those ones that is is uh seeds have. I'm getting so can you just say stop calling them seeds? Seeds are uh seeds are a a tournament thing.

SPEAKER_05 8:56

This is March and April. The only kind of seeds I want to think about are the tomato seeds that I'm gonna be getting at Lowe's in the next few weeks to grow little little plants in my window. Just don't don't worry about it. Can we say like brackets or something?

SPEAKER_00 9:07

The first bra No, because the brackets are like what's what's ever. Are you actually confused about this? Or this isn't a bit. Okay, I'm sorry. We'll move on. The first place and the sixteenth place one are facing each other right now. Okay. Um, I've picked sixteen games. The first place and the last place one are facing each other right now. They are cornhole and bocce ball.

SPEAKER_05 9:30

Cornhole. Cornhole. The reason I say this is because one, cornhole occurs in a singular place between two goals that you stand at. Bocce ball is a traveling game. Do you know what I mean? Like, you have to yeet the ball to different places. Yeah. And also, like, I don't think a venue would want people who have maybe had a drink during the ceremony and maybe one or two after the ceremony, after sitting in the sun, to just be like shot putting like the trench bowl, like over with that. I love boccebulbs.

SPEAKER_00 10:06

I love bocce bob, but I've seen so many weddings where it's like some dude in like a tie that's too long and his dumbass sunglasses fly. Right, that he refuses to take off for any of the pictures, is going to send that bocce ball through your like$700 door to your venue, like, or like through somebody's car.

SPEAKER_05 10:30

Yeah, like it's gonna go over the venue, hit, and then you're just gonna hear like something like that.

SPEAKER_00 10:37

If we've ever caught a bocce ball with an ankle, I can honestly say I haven't, but I can imagine. And so I know that like you're going to go get the balls, and he's got one tucked behind his back and he throws it and it deteriorates.

SPEAKER_05 10:58

All the time, and they are like moving, migrating.

SPEAKER_00 11:01

Going, we went all the way around my parents' like house.

SPEAKER_05 11:08

We're in upstate New York. Like, we went over by where they grow the onions and down by the horses and all the way around town.

SPEAKER_00 11:15

Like we traveled so much, I couldn't imagine like no, because where did everybody go? We were we're a half a mile away. It's like a golf turn. It's like a golf tourney, like a caddy, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 11:28

And then they travel.

SPEAKER_00 11:29

No, like so cornhole advances, bocce ball eliminated is eliminated.

SPEAKER_05 11:35

That is a an activity you set out to play when you know you have time to walk around a place, not at a wedding.

SPEAKER_00 11:42

I've got next game is bottle bash versus badminton. And I like badminton. Badminton's my favorite for this one because Badmint is one of those games that you can stand and be really, really good at. I have taken a header too many times. I've like fallen on the ground way too many times.

SPEAKER_05 12:04

For those of you who don't know, bottle bash is a frisbee game in which a plastic bottle is set on top of like a stick with a plate on top of it. And your goal, it's like it's like cornhole in the sense of there's two players on each side, one from each team, and a player will step up, throw a frisbee, and try to knock off the bottle either by hitting the bottle itself or by like donking the pole, which it's affixed to. The player on your team, like your uh teammate who is next to the bottle you're trying to hit, can try to catch it, or is that the other person who's trying to catch it?

SPEAKER_00 12:49

I love how you're totally going to bat for bottle bash, but you you've got the rule rules mixed up.

SPEAKER_05 12:54

I have I've also I'm also mixing in another game, which I know you can jam. I'm also can jamming.

SPEAKER_00 13:02

But the the one teammate throws the frisbee. Either tries to hit the bottle or hit the pole to knock the bottle down. The goal is to get the bottle to fall. The other the not the other teammate, the other team, the other person on the other side can catch the bottle to prevent it from prevent it from hitting the ground.

SPEAKER_05 13:20

You only get a point when it hits the ground.

SPEAKER_00 13:22

You only get whatever set of points if it hits the ground. That's my layman's understanding of the game. I've only played it like twice, and I had a lot of fun playing it. But you know what I've had a lot more fun playing is badminton.

SPEAKER_05 13:34

So here's my thing. Badminton, which was Nan's favorite game. Shout out to Nan.

SPEAKER_00 13:41

I knew I loved Barbara.

SPEAKER_05 13:43

Nan loved Badminton. Like, that was anytime I'm like, yeah, no, we were playing Badminton, she'd be like, ah! And it was like, oh, here comes the badminton story from my grandma. Um The only thing I don't like about it is the same thing I feel about when we have gone to venues and there is a volleyball nut.

SPEAKER_02 14:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 14:03

I do not like permanent fixtures of games at venues.

SPEAKER_00 14:09

Well, that's why the badminton is small and it's it's very, very uh put up takedown. That is so simply required. But so is it's uh just about the same as like cornhole, I would say. So setting down the things is just as much as sticking the poles in the ground or whatever, because it's not like they they have to be tied down or anything like that. It's a very, very small net.

SPEAKER_05 14:29

So what makes me nervous about badminton, which for me I think is honestly like the loser in this round, only because one, I don't like the idea of giving people whackers. Like I don't like giving weapons to people. You know, like a frisbee is one thing, you can kind of dodge it. No, no, if a frisbee is coming, you can go do you know what I mean? But if I'm standing next to somebody who's aggressive and they're like, like I I will be the one to catch it in the eye. Do you know what I mean? So like that's a thing. And also, I don't think anything with the word cock in it should be.

SPEAKER_00 15:08

Yeah, that's supposed to be my main argument, is babe. One's a beer bottle. Everybody's got those at a weddings. The other's the shuttlecock. The shuttlecock.

SPEAKER_05 15:17

You know who I know is absolutely dying in the game.

SPEAKER_00 15:21

When we say it.

SPEAKER_05 15:22

Well, only the first time when I said like the end syllable of it of shuttlecock, but shuttlecock itself is fine. Um, I know my cousin Kelsey is dying right now because the first time she ever heard the word shuttlecock, she it was a lot. It was being screamed over and over because like it's technically correct, and it was just like blasted outward that it's not the birdie, it's the shuttlecock.

SPEAKER_00 15:48

She probably short circuit it.

SPEAKER_05 15:50

She probably was it was in her backyard, it was in her backyard, which made it 10 times better. Uh better.

SPEAKER_00 15:59

Better for literally everyone else.

SPEAKER_05 16:01

I don't like the idea of weapons. I don't like the idea of having to set up a net. I don't be I don't see people being able to join in as easily because you only have a certain amount of rackets. Do you know what I mean? So, like somebody can't step somebody can't just step in and play. You have to trade out. Whereas like bottle bash, you can just have like line up. Each person just keeps kind of going and trying to knock it down and catch it.

SPEAKER_00 16:26

But then you can have a billion people. I've both games I've taken dives to try to catch that bottle. You're an idiot or whatever, but yeah, but I'm a man. Men just do that, they go flying. But they're like the game calls for you know, you to lay out and top eight plays in ESPN. I'm also seeing you're gonna do it. You can hear the denen it, denen it in your mind as you go. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 16:58

See, my other thing is I can easily see a game of badminton ending because the rackets broke, because two adults were playing with it, first off, and one went ah and it breaks. Yeah, they're flimsy. Whereas you can easily kind of just construct bottle bash on your own.

SPEAKER_00 17:17

Okay. Let's rock, paper, scissors, whoever wins. Let's it continue. Bottle bash. Rock, paper, scissors.

SPEAKER_05 17:22

You win rock, paper, scissors every time.

SPEAKER_00 17:25

God damn it. You you know me now.

unknown 17:27

I do.

SPEAKER_00 17:28

Okay, bottle bash.

SPEAKER_05 17:30

Whoever can say the alphabet backwards the fastest gets the thing.

SPEAKER_00 17:34

I'll rock, paper, scissors. You do it. Stop it.

unknown 17:37

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 17:38

All right, next one. We've got, and and this is gonna be a great one. We've got can jam versus axe throwing. I think axe throwing is the worst thing you could have at a wedding, but also probably the thing. What if there's a space for it? Yeah, what if there's like a safe a safe place for it to do it?

SPEAKER_05 17:55

Like, like they have it like a setup thing, like kind of like at the Renfair.

SPEAKER_00 17:58

Our venue is and we don't have a venue, and an attendant.

SPEAKER_05 18:02

Like somebody who hands the axes over the phone. The amount of insurance we will have to purchase. It's like the person who's manning the axe throwing is the same person, like the same type of like insurance that's purchased for aerial at Phantasmic when they have to bag the fish. Like, we're gonna have to have this person in like padding, like they do for like police training things, where like they're in like the the foam outfit with the helmet on, they're like, Congratulations on your everlasting love. Please aim that way.

SPEAKER_00 18:29

Yeah, yeah. Release the axe forward, yeah. But I can you imagine I think like I think axe throwing just a little bit for me, just a little bit of a tangent. Um, can you imagine having like a venue where after like cocktail hour is whatever is in like a parking lot carnival, like with like all of like the the like the horse water game and like the duck splash game and stuff? Can you imagine?

SPEAKER_05 18:56

Like the rolling the ball to get like the the horse to move like 10 yards and stuff, yeah, and the coin pusher.

SPEAKER_00 19:02

Can you imagine that? That'd be sick. Well, write that write that down, write that down.

SPEAKER_05 19:06

Are you getting this?

SPEAKER_00 19:07

No, I actually I actually kind of like the idea of having something like that, maybe having a Ferris wheel of the R axe rows that don't have they're not actual axes, but they'll the like you're throwing them into like like a brush dartboard or oh you mean like I kick your ass at at David Buster's? Yeah, one of those.

SPEAKER_05 19:25

Yeah. No, I I mean like I think the only reason that I think axe throwing is really I think it's really cool, but I think Kanjam honestly beats it. Because one, we talked about being able to have it in a place that's visible.

SPEAKER_02 19:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 19:42

If you were to have axe throwing, it's in an alley that would have to be somewhere tucked away. Not necessarily tucked away, but in its own thing.

SPEAKER_00 19:50

Somebody would have to be removed from the group to go into a place to throw the axe safely. Right. Everybody else will have to be behind them.

SPEAKER_05 19:59

Right. And my and my problem with that is shooting range. This whole thing is just supposed to be like a fun thing added to cocktail hour.

SPEAKER_00 20:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 20:08

Cocktail hour is the thing. It's not axe throwing, it's not sport, it's not game time. Yeah. It's cocktail hour. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, I agree. And can jam, once again, is really easy. Like literally, it you could have 50 people on either side, and we each take one turn each, back of the line. Yeah. Do you know what it's a good thing?

SPEAKER_00 20:29

Games go pretty, pretty quick. No, but I'm saying, like you know, can jam is it's it's there's like two buckets, um, and it has a slot in it, and the top's open, and one partner throws a frisbee and the other can knock it in or knock it through the slot or or slam dunk it in. It's different points for different things.

SPEAKER_05 20:46

Right.

SPEAKER_00 20:46

Um, if you hit the can, you get a point.

SPEAKER_05 20:49

Even if you are not actually playing, like, you know, counting points or whatever, throwing it back and forth once or twice really quick while you're waiting for the bar to die down, yeah, I think is more fun than the logistics of having axe throwing at a wedding. That for me is more of a bachelor-bachelorette night out. Like we're going axe throwing and having a fun time. Like for me, that's that's more of that.

SPEAKER_00 21:13

Well, we're throwing can jam to the next round then. Yay!

SPEAKER_05 21:16

Oh no, that means they're gonna have to fight with the other ones I like. I forgot we're sending them forward. This is gladiators.

SPEAKER_00 21:23

That's why I was okay with uh with uh can jam. Or with uh bat bottle bash going through. Um, next one we have spike ball versus ladder golf.

SPEAKER_05 21:33

So spike ball is the one where it's like a little like trampoline.

SPEAKER_00 21:36

Yes, and you're you're pin the ball into it and hitting each other, whatever, and ladder golf is the one with the rungs, the golf balls on the strings that you ropes that you throw and you try to try to hook them on to the ladder.

SPEAKER_01 21:49

So for me, I think ladder golf takes this.

SPEAKER_00 21:57

I am in stern agreement because

SPEAKER_05 22:00

To me, what is it called? Spike ball?

SPEAKER_00 22:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 22:03

Okay. Spike ball reminds me of Gaga Ball. And for anyone who's not like familiar with Gaga ball, it takes place in a pit and you have to like slap the ball and you're not allowed to throw it, you're not allowed to kick it, and you can only hit somebody below the knee, and then they're out, and you kind of go until the last person's standing.

SPEAKER_02 22:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 22:21

For me, spike ball is too enclosed. One, I think it's dangerous. Uh, I can easily see somebody just getting like a uh the ring bearer coming over and be like, what are you got? My eye! Do you know what I mean? Like it's not something somebody can join into super easy as well.

SPEAKER_00 22:39

The thing with ladder golf is too, it's another one where like projectiles are being thrown in a strange way. That way, you're not going back in the world. The same way, like corn golf, corn golf. The same way, cornleas, the same way corn corn golf.

SPEAKER_05 22:54

Why did you say it like that? Who said you could do that?

SPEAKER_00 22:58

I surprised myself.

SPEAKER_05 22:59

You surprised everyone.

SPEAKER_00 23:01

Now that everyone is sitting calmly again, we can resume um the same way that you know, but as long as it's like all of these are like they're modified so that drunk people can play them as safe as possible because like having real golf balls. I don't know if you've ever been hit with one of those, like I said, brothers. Yes.

SPEAKER_05 23:21

Yes. Um I grew up in a neighborhood with only boys. Yeah. Only boys.

SPEAKER_00 23:25

And it was literally just things, those things suck, and not only do they suck, but they do me a favor, run that way as far as you can.

SPEAKER_05 23:32

Yeah. Don't go. It was very much a thing. But for me, ladder golf isn't a back and forth thing. You don't have two people, two groups standing on either side. The ladder is over there and you're throwing it in one direction.

SPEAKER_00 23:46

Yeah, you don't have to have two. A lot of the games come with two, but like usually you see them positioned side by side that way.

SPEAKER_05 23:54

Do you know what I mean? So it I think the projectile is only since it's only going in one direction and it's not constantly like getting thrown towards you or bounced towards you. This is also another one that if grandma wanted to come and throw one thing towards the ladder, yeah, she could throw it. Also, the ring bearer could, also a bunch of people could, and it's not that serious, yeah, and you can walk away from it easily.

SPEAKER_00 24:20

Yeah. Do you know what I mean? I I think I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_05 24:22

And you can also have people watch.

SPEAKER_00 24:25

I also think spike ball, I don't know if you've ever seen like I've I've only ever seen those same friends play it at the beach. I've I've tuned into like the American, like the American top spike ball tournament or whatever, right? And the volleys will exist. Yeah, and they'll go like for five seconds because nobody's actually good at spike ball. It's really hard to play. It's not that fun. Yeah. Unless you like enjoy diving in the sand every single time.

SPEAKER_05 24:54

I just I don't get it.

SPEAKER_00 24:56

Okay, so we got ladder golf moving on. The next one we've got, game five, is giant Jenga versus pickleball.

SPEAKER_01 25:06

Giant Jenga, move on.

SPEAKER_00 25:07

I'm moving on, so it was a late entry because I think I pickleball. I I had another stupid one in there, but uh, but pickleball is kind of popular right now.

SPEAKER_04 25:21

Where are you gonna play pickleball?

SPEAKER_00 25:23

Can you imagine being like actually there is a wedding?

SPEAKER_05 25:31

Can you can you make it can you make it a point to just like bleep this out? You do realize that we have shot at a venue where you could play pickleball. Yes, you do realize that literally when any time we have ever filmed there is a pickleball tourney going on. Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 25:47

Oh, I am aware. And I bet you, can you imagine the idea that would be sewn between certain people if they won or lost at a wedding? And anytime that wedding was brought up, they were like, Oh, yeah, that was the one that you lost pickleball in. They would like smash their battle every time, punch holes in walls every time they hear it. And you don't want that kind of pressure on your anniversary. Giant Jenga.

SPEAKER_05 26:13

I do not care if it falls and breaks your teeth. We are not playing pickleball at a wedding. That is a cult. We are not having cults on our wedding day. The next day, we can have it all you want.

SPEAKER_00 26:23

Game six is giant connects four versus big beer pong. This is gonna be a tough one.

SPEAKER_05 26:28

Big beer pong is just buckets and ball, right?

SPEAKER_00 26:31

Yeah, I you know yard. Yeah, I've seen it with like a volleyball. I've seen it with like um, it's like a ping pong style, like plastic ball that gets thrown.

SPEAKER_05 26:42

So my answer for that, based on the criteria that we set, is giant connect four.

SPEAKER_00 26:48

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 26:49

The reason being is because if I was to walk up onto a game of Connect 4 that was half unfinished, I can easily dive right in. Right? But if I walk up to a half unfinished Pong game, I'm gonna want to reset it. I'm not like this, these are like the last three ones that are left, and I can't hit those either. Like I'm resetting it and we're starting over, and it's again and again and again. And that also for me seems to take a lot. I'm sweating. Who knows? We got called over because our our girlfriends wanted us to take pictures with them. Yeah, we had to leave. I'm actually supposed to be in family photos, I wasn't even supposed to be playing with this. Sorry guys. Connect four, I can easily join in and out of, and it's really easy to just go like and all the pieces fall out, and we start again. And I feel like it's easy one for people to watch, it's an easily done game. You don't have to over-exert yourself, you're not throwing anything, and it's it's connect four. Yeah, and it doesn't really make a mess either.

SPEAKER_00 27:50

Bowling became really popular when the lanes automatically reset themselves. So I get like the beer pong thing where it's like if I had to go and reset it every single time, or like, hey guys, come play, and then I had to go like reset it in front of them. Like that would suck. That would be like that.

SPEAKER_05 28:04

But if you just want to kick somebody's butt really quick in one game of Connect 4, yeah, it's fast. Or also if somebody's like, Hey, can we be on a team and play Connect 4 two on two? Like, oh no, put it there. Oh yeah, no, drop it in that one.

SPEAKER_00 28:17

Is I think it would be way more fun to watch, and I think it's way more fun to play. But I think logistically, connect four is a lot easier, and then like where are you gonna find big beer pong unless a venue already has it? You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05 28:30

The setup for it, it's just I you know where I'm picturing us playing these games, right? Yes, yeah, absolutely. Say it on three, one, two, three, Pomona. Like, for me, that is my like we are under the pavilion, all the doors are behind us. Hey, shout out Pomona. Pona Blue Barn.

SPEAKER_00 28:50

Shout out Pomona and Blue Barn. They're the best. Um, they're so awesome, and that venue rules every single time.

SPEAKER_05 28:56

Well, it it I think it's hilarious that all of these games, I am visually watching them being played at Pomona. We've got the beautiful charcuterie board set up and everything like that. There's family photos down by the groom suite, everything's wonderful. Somebody's playing a game right in front of us at the grass.

SPEAKER_00 29:15

All of the big chairs and stuff that are out there.

SPEAKER_05 29:17

They do have cornhole most of the time, but I gotta say, one of these times we're gonna show up and they're gonna have some really cool game playing, and we're gonna be like, this is what we saw in our dreams.

SPEAKER_00 29:27

So I got I got a giant connect 4 moving on for that.

SPEAKER_05 29:30

I love that that was a you know we're picturing this, right?

SPEAKER_00 29:34

One, two, three, Pomoda.

SPEAKER_05 29:37

Um that makes me so happy.

SPEAKER_00 29:40

Game seven. We've got croquet versus toss across. Toss across. Really, you think I think croquet croquet hot take. Croquet's a lot of fun. I croquette. And it's been it's been on Bridgerton.

SPEAKER_05 29:57

That was Pal Mall. I am not What's the f difference if they called it Pal Mell? No, I I once again, it is a traveling game. You have to go around through your things until you hit the wicket, and it's stupid. And once again, once it's set up, it's set up. You know what I mean? You can't easily join in to this game. Yes, sorry, I'm not gonna be like, okay, which ball am I? Oh, yeah, they hit it over there over by the beer garden, and now you're stuck with the yellow ball and the yellow racket or the yellow mallet. Good job. Toss across is once again, it's right there. If I come over, I'm just like, all right, let's just start a quick game of toss across. Boop, boop, boop, I'm blue, you're red. You want to be X's, I'm O's.

SPEAKER_00 30:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 30:41

And we can somebody can join in, it's fun to watch. I've seen the Santa Claus 2. Clearly, it's a wonderful game that gets the party going.

SPEAKER_00 30:51

This is an upset. This is upset in the beginning because a lot of people like croquet. A lot of people like croquet.

SPEAKER_05 30:55

Like the only time they play it, play it at your grandma's retirement party. A lot of people only play it at a funeral, play it when your dad gets it for you for Christmas when all you wanted was a unicycle. Um, I think I'm triggered by the fact that you even brought that into this.

SPEAKER_00 31:12

What do you know? Croquet is very, very popular at weddings. A lot of people play croquet only at weddings.

SPEAKER_05 31:19

Only way I'm playing croquet is if my mallet is a flamingo and my ball is a hedgehog. Okay. Only way I'm playing it.

SPEAKER_00 31:26

There's um please tell me you get that reference. Yes, of course I get that reference. Um the uh that stupid bird of toss across. Tossacross wins this if it's not the like plastic Fisher Price type style. Like, what if a venue has its own like wood created toss across or like a wall-mounted beanbag toss uh tic-tac-toe that you have to play from throwing it, you know, from a distance or something.

SPEAKER_05 31:53

Like I said, I I think toss across is one, it's fun to watch.

SPEAKER_00 31:58

Way better for a wedding.

SPEAKER_05 31:59

Two, anybody I think can play it, and three, I hate croquet.

SPEAKER_00 32:05

And then last game for this round is horseshoes versus giant yachtsy. And I I think horseshoes takes this. I don't know if you've ever played horseshoes. It's a lot of fun. And you can be the goofy movie. We played this at our he does he like winds up his leg.

SPEAKER_05 32:24

I went to Catholic school and we had those regularly at our parish picnic. I played horseshoes. It was very much fun.

SPEAKER_00 32:29

Horseshoes is fun. I like that.

SPEAKER_05 32:30

Horseshoes is fun. The only thing is, is is it like legit horseshoes, or is it like kind of like a modified one so people aren't hurting themselves? We are up in upstate New York, so I feel like you're gonna be like, we're playing it right off the horse.

SPEAKER_00 32:44

This is fresh off buttercup.

SPEAKER_05 32:47

Yeah, I pulled this one off a Raven this morning.

SPEAKER_00 32:50

She's a stang I got.

SPEAKER_05 32:54

Um, she's this one dude shows up to the wedding and he's just like, I heard there's horseshoe. I got this off of Claud's Dale in '84.

SPEAKER_00 33:03

I feel like horseshoes is a perfect for like that guy who's got the frumpy pants that are pulled up way too high to be like, this is my time to shine. Um I'm ready. Good. Let's let's show you how the kids are.

SPEAKER_05 33:16

There's also like one little boy who learned how to play this at camp last year who's just like crazy. That'd be sick. No, hands down horseshoes takes it.

SPEAKER_00 33:25

Giant Yahtzee's giant Yahtzee's. Can't join in. Can't join in. And if you don't know what yet if you don't know like the dice rolls or whatever, like how are you keeping track? What are you just just waiting until somebody rolls a Yahtzee?

SPEAKER_05 33:37

And then everybody just goes, Yahtzee! Oh, we missed entrances because this game takes forever. And also, the balls are huge. All right. So the dice are huge.

SPEAKER_00 33:48

Let's move on to the next bracket. And we'll run through these now that we've done a lot of our arguing about each game. Um we've got cornhole versus bottle bash is first. Cornhole moves forward. It's unfortunate that it's probably I'm going based on grass stains on pants. Yes, I'm cornhole is like unfortunately the most fun lawn game that you can play. So I get expecting it to sweep, but we might be surprised. Might come against something that we're like this would be way too much.

SPEAKER_05 34:16

No, the only reason is because one, people know the rules of cornhole, and I feel like it won't be hogged by bottle bashers.

SPEAKER_00 34:24

I think it's perfect and sits in all four of those categories because it's fun to watch too. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 34:28

When you're watching somebody sink it, and no one's gonna get too overheated if you didn't catch You didn't catch the bottle! Do you know what I mean? There's too much pressure.

SPEAKER_00 34:36

Yep. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cornhole moves on. Um, we got can jam versus ladder golf. This is actually a pretty close one because I would vote can jam. I think I would vote ladder golf. I think can jam is so much more fun than ladder golf, but I think ladder golf is way more approachable. So?

SPEAKER_05 34:51

Yes, and it's not a back and forth game. It's more of just like a step right up and see how far you toss it.

SPEAKER_00 34:56

Can jam is way more fun and way more fun to watch. Ladder golf is way easier to approach, and it's also like repeatable, I guess. You know what I mean? Oh fuck, yeah, here we go.

SPEAKER_05 35:13

Fuck!

SPEAKER_00 35:14

Can Jam takes it. No big deal.

SPEAKER_05 35:16

Because for me, honestly, it was uh I either one moving forward was kind of like uh Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:23

Here we go. We got Giant Jenga versus Giant Connect Four.

SPEAKER_05 35:28

Giant Jenga.

SPEAKER_00 35:29

I think so too.

SPEAKER_05 35:30

For me, because it it it only goes to watchability. When it gets to the point where somebody is about to connect four or gets to the point where the tower's about to tip, nobody's going, Oh, he's got three! Here comes the fourth one! Oh my goddess! Oh, he hit him with a block. There no one's doing that. Yeah, nobody's doing that. Nobody, nobody cares at all. But when that Jenga is about to fall, like sorry, that got me.

unknown 35:57

Right?

SPEAKER_04 35:58

Like, oh, here it comes. It's a diagonal.

SPEAKER_00 36:02

Like, it's nobody she doesn't see the diagonal. She's worried about the right the right vertical, but she's not worried about the diagonal. She's unaware.

SPEAKER_05 36:11

Yeah, no, a hundred percent. Purely because of watchability and like the amount of of butt tightening that happens during a game of giant Jenga alone. Oh my god, the crashing sounds would be beautiful. Tossacross versus horseshoes.

SPEAKER_00 36:27

Toss across. I I agree with that. I saw the Santa Claus, Santa Claus too. I don't think we've seen Toss Across at any weddings. I think Tossacross would be a welcome addition. Should we bring it next time? I think it's so much fun. Should we bring it next time? To to to a wedding?

SPEAKER_04 36:41

To a wedding. Yeah. Put it in my ocean kit. Yeah.

unknown 36:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:46

All right, don't worry. Put in all of our packages, like you get the five-minute film, you get the two-hour traditional film, you get toss across toss across here, your cocktail hour. No, but I'm like where did Poorhouse go? Where do the video guys go? We're in the party lot. Like, he doesn't see the cross, the vertical!

SPEAKER_03 37:05

He's blocking over there.

SPEAKER_05 37:07

I love toss across. Insert clip of Santa Claus 2.

SPEAKER_01 37:12

This is toss across.

SPEAKER_00 37:15

We are in the semifinals right now. Here we go. We got we'll go we'll go with game two first. Giant Jenga versus Toss Across.

SPEAKER_05 37:25

Giant Jenga.

SPEAKER_00 37:26

Yeah. That's a good one.

SPEAKER_05 37:27

Because yeah, sorry, Santa Claus 2. You lost out immediately. Once again, due to the one, anybody can come in and put a piece up. Right? You can either have two people playing and it become like a thing that everybody watches, or throughout cocktail hour, just someone grabs one and puts it up.

SPEAKER_02 37:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 37:46

Somebody else walks by, puts it up, and you know for a fact there's a group of people going another one's going.

SPEAKER_04 37:52

Yeah. Somebody else is going, it's gonna tip. Oh god, he's drunk, he can't place it. Stayed up, it stayed up.

SPEAKER_00 38:00

One of those ones that always it's always riveting. It's it's just so much fun.

SPEAKER_05 38:03

Yes. Because I think of when we go to that restaurant in Florida that we go to where they have giant Jenga outside by the outdoor bar, that sometimes you will see like a small group of people playing it, but also we have been there and just taken one out and placed it and gone inside. And we've come out and it's still standing, but we can see other pieces have been removed and added.

SPEAKER_00 38:25

And it's gotta be big. It can't be just like we're talking about giant Jenga. It's gotta be like as tall as a person because a small if it's like on a if it's like if it's like just like the two by fours that people cut up and it's on a table, then it's gonna fall down and hit somebody in the head. Yes. And that always sucks. It's funny as hell, but it always sucks.

SPEAKER_05 38:45

We are not trying to get boo-boos on wedding days.

SPEAKER_00 38:47

No, no boo-boos. Um, and we just said that cornhole versus can jam.

unknown 38:53

Cornhole.

SPEAKER_00 38:54

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 38:55

Cornhole's gotta be. This sucks that it's so expect.

SPEAKER_00 38:59

It's so expected that like this whole thing was us trying to prove that cornhole was not the best game.

SPEAKER_05 39:04

But when you compare it to the other ones for a wedding day for I would get down with a lot of these more than cornhole. I've got to watch it out and you were like, pick one. I'm not necessarily gonna go for cornballs.

SPEAKER_00 39:20

I like bocce ball. I do not like bocce ball for wedding days. That was why it was cocktail hour. We're the 16th.

SPEAKER_05 39:25

We're specifying for cocktail hour.

SPEAKER_00 39:27

Oh, you imagine like a oh, can you imagine all of the girls in their pajamas out on the lawn playing like bocce ball or something like that?

SPEAKER_05 39:35

It's no different than all the groomsmen diving into a lake.

SPEAKER_00 39:38

Like it's that'd actually be more than a lot of things. Get your hair done sooner, get your makeup done sooner, and then run outside and go play croquet or something.

SPEAKER_03 39:47

I think that's that's actually really cute.

SPEAKER_00 39:50

Then we got our final, the finale, Cornhole versus Giant Jenga. Giant Jenga. I think giant Jenga too.

SPEAKER_05 39:58

Giant Jenga for me, honestly.

SPEAKER_00 40:00

My only reason I hate I I love a last a last minute of game.

SPEAKER_05 40:04

I can't believe that like I I really didn't even consider giant Jenga for one of these games because I was thinking more of something like Cornhole where it is throw to place with friend. Like, you know, I went to bocce ball immediately because that was the first thing where I was like, what other thing can you throw out in grass? Yeah, ball. Like, but Jenga for me, giant Jenga is one engaging. Like everyone knows how to play it, and if you don't, you just yeah, you pull a piece out and then you stack it on top. And it's three and three, and you just keep going until it falls down. You know, it can either be really serious, where like I said, it's like four four people playing it, and it's like, oh, you lose, like you made it fall down, or whatever. Or like we said, it's just set up in the midst of cocktail hour, and every once in a while somebody just comes over and goes, and you know, people who have already moved their piece are watching to see who's gonna be the guest that makes it fall. And for me, that actually would be super funny that like after entrances and stuff like that, like right before speeches, everyone's sitting down for salad, and the DJ goes, Hey everybody, I don't know if you saw during cocktail hour, there was a huge giant Jenga out there. I saw a lot of people playing it. Mike knocked it down. Like, do you know what I mean? That would be so funny, and therefore that for me would actually be really fun to have it be like, who was the one that inevitably knocked over the giant Jenga that was like slowly getting moved around? We've also seen at weddings, and I don't know if you remember this, that a small Jenga was somebody's guest book.

unknown 42:01

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 42:02

Do you remember that?

SPEAKER_05 42:03

And so, like, Jenga at weddings is not unheard of, but like that was like one of their things that instead of it being cornhole as a wedding gift for them to play, it was a Jenga with like little messages written on full circle Jenga wins.

SPEAKER_00 42:19

Cornhole is equally one that's fun to watch and fun to play, and also like one that could be tucked away, and you could go the whole wedding day and be like, There's cornhole. There's cornhole.

SPEAKER_05 42:30

Like or it was like a the cornhole got crazy right before we had to come in for entrances. It was nuts out there. Your uncle actually was screaming at somebody.

SPEAKER_00 42:39

Yeah, but it was all fun. Every long game is a lot of fun. These are just our opinions and what we think are the best.

SPEAKER_05 42:46

Um praying the next wedding we go to or a wedding this season has giant Jenga at it. That'd be sad.

SPEAKER_00 42:52

Like, I feel like we're playing it. We have to.

SPEAKER_05 42:54

I I'm at least moving one piece. I'm gonna be a part of it. But like I said, I think it would actually be a really fun thing, or maybe even if the couple had like a small Jenga, and like when you find out like the one person that like destroyed the Jenga, like the one who made it topple after it had been out there that whole time, they're gifted the Jenga from the couple. Like that would actually be it's like the anniversary dance, but destructive.

SPEAKER_00 43:18

For third place between Kan Jam and Tossacross, are we doing Tossacross? I think Tossacross is a sleeper.

SPEAKER_05 43:24

I think I'm not surprised it made it this far because I think a lot of people don't know what Tossacross is because they've never seen the Santa Claus 2, because that's the only reason why I know what that game is. I'd never played it until I it's yeah, because it wasn't it just wasn't one of the games that I grew up playing. But then after seeing it, I was like, it's tic-tac-toe and cornhole. Because think about it, like part of the fun of Tossacross is the fact that you cannot necessarily control what you're hitting. And you can't cause like some real like no moments.

SPEAKER_00 43:56

Yeah, exactly. I think I think that's great. I think that works.

SPEAKER_05 44:00

Toss across third place, gets the silver, and at the tip top, which is hilarious, at the tippy toppy, balancing it out, is Jenga. Giant Jenga.

SPEAKER_00 44:13

If we missed a lawn game that you had at your wedding, or if you have any stories with any of the ones that we eliminated, uh that kind of convinced will convince us, whatever, let us know in the comments. We want to hear all about it.

SPEAKER_05 44:25

Also, if now you're gonna have giant Jenga at your wedding because we have determined that it is probably the best idea going forward. Also, please let us know because I like pull them right.

unknown 44:36

Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 44:38

If you're a wedding vendor and you want us to shout you out on our podcast, we're always looking for wedding vendors to highlight. Um, please send us your information. If you are a couple who worked with a wedding vendor and they were awesome, please send us their information, um, their social medias, and then a little brief description of why they're the best. And we'd love to shout them out on the podcast.

SPEAKER_05 45:00

Also, on the flip side, if you worked with a vendor or were at a wedding with an absolute terrible vendor that you would like to feature during our vendor vendor portion, please send it to me. I love when people tell me about how things went wrong and how they impacted the day so other couples can learn from it.

SPEAKER_00 45:18

All right, I've got a Reddit story to launch into. We are Have you read it yet?

SPEAKER_05 45:23

Or have you just seen the title? No, I've read it.

SPEAKER_00 45:27

This is from R slash wedding, and the title of it is venting about forced tipping. Forced tipping. I am so sick of vendors who have mandatory tips. Ew. I spoke to a makeup artist who is the owner of the business. She charges$150 for airbrush makeup, which isn't a bad price for my area. No. I have six girls, including myself, getting makeup done, so she's making$900 that day.

SPEAKER_05 45:51

I was gonna do the math on my phone.

SPEAKER_00 45:53

Then she tells Then she tells me there's a$175 Sunday fee, a$30 travel fee, and a 20% tip per girl. All that added together is twelve hundred and eighty-five dollars.$1,285. I've run into a few vendors with mandatory tips. It's just like tell me the actual price instead of me filling out a form or sending a detailed email after reviewing just the price list. Of course, the side fees aren't posted to lure you in. And it's not a tip if it's like mandatory, it's just a fee. It's like whenever Ticketmaster charges you like the seat fee. That's like an extra the processing fee.

SPEAKER_05 46:37

Yeah, it's like you know, like I have a gluten allergy fee.

SPEAKER_00 46:43

Yeah, no, like yeah, I had to wear jeans today fee.

SPEAKER_05 46:47

Like Oh, I will charge if you make me wear jeans.

SPEAKER_00 46:51

Yeah, but this is my romp, this is my romper fee. This is you know, if you want me to show up in a band-tee as your makeup artist, um, that doesn't cost anything. But if you want me to show up in something nice, that that then the nice.

SPEAKER_05 47:04

If my makeup artist doesn't show up in a band tee, I don't trust her. Every single one.

SPEAKER_00 47:08

Why does every single one wear a band tee? It's one of my favorite things.

SPEAKER_05 47:11

Because they're chilling and they're getting makeup all over themselves and they want to be comfy because they're working, and also if they want to be dressed fancy, they can be dressed fancy because they're artsy too.

SPEAKER_00 47:18

Yeah, I fing love makeup artists, so they can do whatever they want.

SPEAKER_05 47:21

I am so down for the glam.

SPEAKER_00 47:23

Mandatory tips. Mandatory tips is bullshit, no matter what kind of vendor you are.

SPEAKER_05 47:28

If honestly, if if you want to disguise it, I I think the reason that they're saying it's a mandatory tip is because I don't think you can are tips claimable on taxes?

SPEAKER_00 47:39

Yes. You have you have well, okay.

SPEAKER_05 47:42

That's what I'm thinking.

SPEAKER_00 47:43

No, they're not. They they have to be whatever. But if you're if you're having your contract or something, that something has to be and a mandatory tip or whatever, and the IRS or the state finds out that that's a thing, they're gonna audit you and figure that out. Gotcha.

SPEAKER_05 47:57

Because like, you know No, my thought is like I could understand more shit. I could so I could understand doing a like a$30 travel fee. I I'm not mad at that. Not mad at that at all because that one, I don't know where they're traveling from. I don't know if it's a thing.

SPEAKER_00 48:16

So I'm gonna just ignore that travel fee because traveling, no, that's traveling is an expensive, and it's it is mandatory for some businesses to charge travel.

SPEAKER_05 48:26

A Sunday fee, I don't actually hate that because a lot of weddings just predominantly are on Saturdays, Fridays or Saturdays. Um, you know, like so charging a Sunday fee. Some businesses aren't open at all on Sunday. So like that could be a consideration of just like a yeah, I don't work on Sundays, Sundays is like my day off. I charge extra to work on a Sunday, especially because, you know, whatever. And probably if it's a Sunday, that usually I would think that the wedding is happening earlier in the day because you're not gonna party all night from Sunday into Monday, which means that it's an earlier start time.

SPEAKER_02 49:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 49:04

So that for me may also be the consideration. Like I have to be there earlier. It's I'm traveling, I charge a fee for Sunday. But a mandatory tip I think should only be a thing if it's this many people or more. Because I have been on my feet for X amount of time.

SPEAKER_00 49:24

It's like gratitude it's like gratuity, but it's also like, no, that's stupid. You know, like it's not a game.

SPEAKER_05 49:31

It makes me wonder how bad this person has been earned by somebody that they're like, I charge tips. It's it's two different camps, and it's it's a hundred. How do you charge a tip?

SPEAKER_00 49:42

It's a hundred percent learned behavior because she she got that from somebody else, she didn't invent that. Yeah. You are when you're a vendor and you're setting your prices, you are either doing a full like transparency pricing like we do. We don't add any fees, we don't add any whatever. If we discuss travel, it's before we even book anybody, and that's that's not a hidden thing. All of our prices are on our website, every single add-on and every single whatever, none of them change or whatever. We apply discounts when people ask for discounts and and meet the proper criteria, and then the other camp is email me for prices, I'll send you a weird PDF. Gross. Book me without even talking to me. Gross. You know, or whatever. You just you pay whatever, or and this is the worst, I'm cheap until you've booked me. Yes, and then I'm expensive. Yes. We've had wedding planners show up on wedding days and go, Oh my god, I need an extra hand. I need an extra$800.

SPEAKER_05 50:45

To get this person to do it, you didn't tell me that I had to do this on the day. Yeah, it's raining, and now I need somebody to squeeze you the chairs because you have me doing blah, blah, blah. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 50:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 50:56

I've we we have seen that kind of practice happen. I I have, however, seen where um some caterers, not caterers necessarily, but like sometimes like event staff, they'll say, like, we request that tips are made or are sent like for whatever to split between the the staff, like the weight staff.

SPEAKER_00 51:20

So the owners can take it. Yeah. No, you know what I mean. That's uh that's usually what that means.

SPEAKER_05 51:25

Yeah. No, like, but I think that the only thing that that should be an option if you're gonna do this is put the thing up that has the tip thing. You're not asking for it, but you're also saying, like, hey, this is a service, and you usually tip your hairdresser, you tip your nail lady, you tip the bar, you know, you're probably gonna tip the bartender, you tip weight staff, you tip service people. This is just your way of saying, like, I did a really good job.

SPEAKER_00 51:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 51:52

Do you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 51:53

Honey book and QuickBooks and Square and all of those things that you can use to what? There's just a foot. There's a dog. All of those, all of those customer things that you can use have a option, like optional tip. I've turned it off for all of my things. I guess I'm talking to you. I've turned it off for all of my things. Um that, you know, it doesn't pop up like give this person a tip or whatever. It has before, and I've always felt so bad when Honeybuck didn't give me the option to turn that off, and somebody paid me an extra like a hundred dollars while they were checking out.

SPEAKER_05 52:31

I don't like asking for that.

SPEAKER_00 52:33

Exactly. We've never we're never actually asking for that, which sucks. And tips should always be approached that if they're given to you, it is a good thing, but it's not expected. Tips are great, but not never expected. If you're in it for the tips, dude, go be a waiter. Like, why why would you why would you be a makeup artist? Go be a waitress, you know.

SPEAKER_05 52:54

Like no, I mean, like I said, I think that tipping culture can be seen as weird.

SPEAKER_00 53:00

Tipping culture is very, very strange. Yeah, I've gone to Europe and I was like, wow, this is paying people a livable wage, no fing way. That's better. That's crazy. Crazy talk, I'll tell you.

SPEAKER_05 53:12

Who would have thought? No, but I think that it is just kind of like a courtesy. Like I said, you go get your hair done, you tip the person that did your hair. If I was to go get my makeup done at like a place, like a cert, like a like somewhere to go sit down and get my makeup done, I would tip them. Yeah, so I don't see the difference on a wedding day to not tip the people doing services. Now it's weird that I say that because I don't think you should necessarily tip us. Like I have never once, as a videographer, been like and the tip, and the tip, yeah. But it's funny, if I was to be at a wedding, I would very much tip like every service person. Do you know what I mean? But it's weird that like the thought of us being tipped on a wedding day is like, whoa, us? Yeah, I didn't do your hair, I didn't do like I didn't set the table. What are you doing? That's crazy. Yeah, no, I'm always silly.

SPEAKER_00 54:14

I'm always so surprised. Tips are tips should never you can't, you can't, I don't feel like you can't.

SPEAKER_05 54:19

Tips are appreciated and welcomed, but not necessary.

SPEAKER_00 54:21

Yeah, I don't feel like you can say it's a mandatory tip. And now she's not making$900 off of this. She's gotta, she's gotta pay for the equipment and and she's gotta pay for all of the makeup and stuff like that. So all of the we're very, very lucky. We own all of our equipment, all of our product are all of our products, right, are digital.

SPEAKER_05 54:42

You're paying for our service and for our like and you're not even paying for our service, you're paying for our your final product is the way that digitally taxably, we are paying you are paying for our service. You know what I mean. But like that's that's the way we view it is we view it as like you are getting a thing from us. Yes. Do you know what I mean? It's not like I can't even like equate it to anything else, but just for us, it's you're buying your film.

SPEAKER_00 55:08

Yeah, just it if if you're trying, if half of your business plan is tricking people. Reliant on tips. Well, no, not even reliant on tips, but tricking people into paying more than you promised them or more than they expected. You're you're slimy. You're slimy, and that sucks in this that sucks in this industry because you're you're preying on people who are on their most vulnerable because they're trying to run a great wedding day, and they'll do a lot of them will do whatever they imagine like a birth doula being like, oh my god, he's beautiful. Can you just like sign off on this tip for me? Like Oh my god, this baby's way bigger than I thought it was gonna be on any. That's an extra$45. Yeah. Oh wow, he's beautiful. Yeah. Tap here. Yep. That sucks. So let's say, hold on. There was let's read the comments.

SPEAKER_05 56:04

Yeah, no, I want to hear what people say about this, like what their opinions are. Because some people might be like this is the answer, ready.

SPEAKER_00 56:10

If you want 20% more, then charge. Don't add it on, it's forced gratuity. I'm with you. This makes no sense.

SPEAKER_05 56:17

Yeah. If you think your services are worth more than what people are paying you, they're paying you what you set out for them to pay. You made this price. Like, that's like being like, oh my God, like I've been babysitting this kid for a month, and the parents only pay me$10 an hour. But at the initial meeting, they were like, We, you know, how much do you charge? Oh,$10 an hour. Why are you surprised when they only give you$10 an hour? And they're not like, wow, you did a good job. Here's an extra$30. Like they're they're giving you what you asked for. They're meeting you where you asked them to meet you and respecting that.

SPEAKER_00 56:54

It's like$200 per person, more a little more than$200 per person for the six girls that are getting.

SPEAKER_05 56:59

Airbrush makeup is like it's a thing. Yeah, it's an art form, it's a learned skill. It's amazing as somebody who, I mean, like we we were on art brush makeup like crazy, not for beautification standards, but for effects makeup. Yeah. It's very, you know, it it's a very amazing skill. And if you think that yours is amazing, and I mean it it must be you you're you know, the thinking that you are, you know, worth all of this money, then just charge that.

SPEAKER_00 57:28

Yeah. It's okay. Don't trick people into it. This this this comment got caught my eye. It says, uh, yes, this drove me crazy when I was planning. Two, just tell me the real price up front. The whole base price thing that doubles once you add fees and mandatory gratuity is so misleading. And OP commented back on this and said, My caterer did this to me too. She told me$125 per person for food and alcohol. That's insane. She's the owner, too. I was planning on giving each waiter$50 to$100, depending on how the service went. Right, yes. For a couple reasons, we decided to suck it up and keep her as a caterer. That sucks. What a what a terrible linchpin to put your couples in, to put anybody in. Like I and and what what what's what's worse? The worst part is is that these people are out there and they're way more successful than the other people that are way more earnest. The people that agree with us and are transparent on their pricing and do not expect tips are like going wedding to wedding. Yeah. They are like, you know, we'd like to do it. Not necessarily business. We make great money, but like I wouldn't say that it compared to like other jobs that we did, we make great money. Uh we've worked with for ourselves before. We've worked in other industries that were like film or whatever, but for wedding industry, we make great money. You know, it's for sure. Compared to other jobs, for sure. So like it sucks that there are also like these larger companies, larger people, larger groups or whatever that do this bullshit. That that involve and it works every time and nobody calls them out on it.

SPEAKER_05 59:14

Because they're just like, I've already fallen in love with this. Or I'm already here. I'm not starting over. Yes. Let's just exactly oh, just whatever. Just let's get do this to get to the next thing.

SPEAKER_00 59:24

Everybody, you guys do like a hundred weddings a year. It must be like the norm or whatever, which is just oh shit.

SPEAKER_05 59:32

It reminds you know what it really reminds me of? It reminds me of like, I can't believe I'm saying this because I wanted to do this with our kid. It reminds me of like the Disney princess makeovers. Like, they start at like a normal price. You go in, you can get your hair put into the pretty bun, you get glitter, little bit of sh, you know, shine on your cheeks and a tiara. Yeah, bam. However, you can also get all of that done, plus a dress, plus the shoes, plus the fancy wand, plus getting this and this experience.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:04

The fairy squeezes on you. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:06

Do you really think when your child sits down and they're getting just like the base thing and they look over, and this girl is on a parade float because her parents paid for it, you think that she's just gonna be like, I'm good with what I got.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:22

Yeah, I'm I'm I'm all set.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:23

Yeah, it's exploiting people on uh it is very exploitative and it's it sucks. It's just done. Just charge that. Just say, this is what I charge on a wedding day on Friday, this is what I charge on a Saturday, this is what I charge on a Sunday, this is what I charge during these months on those days.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:41

Yeah, all of our prices are discussed like during before anybody even Yep. We talk about so many things before we even talk about pricing or anything when I talk when I talk to couples.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:50

Well, our pricing is right on our website. It's all right there, black and white. It doesn't change.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:55

Everybody should do that. If you don't do that, I would love to know your reasoning behind it, other than you know engagement.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:02

Other than I would say engagement, just to get like people talking to you to kind of get them to which whatever, you know. We tried that and we hated it.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:09

Whenever anybody does that for software or does that for any sort of like service, they always hate it. So, like, why do it for a wedding, dude? Why do it for a wedding? So if you do that, I would love to know your reasoning. Please tell me in the comments or DM us or email us.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:23

Yeah, we'd love to just know because for us it didn't work out. And I usually like if if I go to like a website for something and they're like, email me for my nope, my anti-social face is not. I'm I'm too nervous.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:34

Even prices, you know, prices starting at this is always like a big red flag for me because it's like okay, prices starting at two grand or whatever, then you look and it's just like two grand for me to like sneeze near you, and then it's like six grand for me to shoot this is the caterer for hours of the day. So um, yeah, let us know if you have anything that you want us to talk about on this podcast. Feel free to DM us on Instagram or TikTok. You can also email us at for better or worsepod at gmail.com. And we have a Reddit account now that we're starting to post to different Reddit stuff. We're getting bullied online, it's been fun, it's been great. I love it. Um, it we're gonna start a subreddit at some point. We haven't done it yet, um, where we can start posting clips and posting episodes and stuff. Um, hasn't happened yet, but it's soon it will be happening and it will be there and you can join in. We were talking the other day about kids at weddings. We've mentioned it on both episodes. We mentioned kids at weddings.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:39

Mostly the whole reason that we spoke about kids at weddings is because our kids have asked us like what it's like at a wedding, and we're like, for adults or for children.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:47

Like you would hate it at your age because you couldn't do, I think, what you think a wedding is. I wouldn't allow you to do what you think a wedding is.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:56

Do you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 1:02:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:58

Um one because like kids at weddings are what I see sometimes as an accessory.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:09

They are a piece of the day. Not not an accessory, I don't like that, but they are part of the wedding team, even though they are a child. Like usually most kids that we see at weddings are part of the wedding party because they are either a junior bridesmaid, a flower girl, a ring bearer, or a junior usher or junior groom's maid.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:27

Yeah. It's like they automatically get a job like when they're part of wedding day. Which is like that's traditional. That I feel like that's how it's always been. At least like my aunts and uncles when they were kids were like, I was the flower girl, or I was what our kids, their assignment at the weddings that they've been to have been flower girls, junior bridesmaids, junior bridesmaids. They've always always like given a task.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:52

Yeah, it's a title.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:54

Yeah. Having kids at weddings can be the coolest part of the day. It can be a wonderful thing, and definitely something that makes the memory. It can also be something that causes a lot of headache.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:09

What I s what I said the other day that I think is actually like a better description, is they can either be the shining star of the day or the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:20

Like, like it's literally like it's beautiful, look at it go, or it's beautiful. Ah! It's coming for us, it's we're dude, and it's crying, it's biting me.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:33

Um, yeah, that's the biggest pro for a kid at a wedding day is that they're cute.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:39

Oh, cute, and they're so candid. Like, you never know what a kid is gonna do coming down the aisle. Like, I've we've been at weddings before where we've seen a flower girl, like two flower girls, one is throwing flowers, and the other one's like, You're dropping them. What about we're supposed to keep them in the basket? Because they've been told all day these are in the basket. Yeah. And then one goes and knows her job, and then the other one's having just like a full-on like crisis of job.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:08

We've been to wedding days where both of them like just are or like it's one flower girl, and she's just like, I hate all of you. Every atom of my existence hates everything around me.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:22

Why am I in a dress? I wear pants and rain boots, and that is it. Just wait. Where is my pants?

SPEAKER_00 1:05:30

Just wait until you hear how loud I'm gonna scream in like one second.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:35

This wedding is occurring during my time with Miss Rachel and my juice. This is here we go. You're gonna hear my disgruntlement.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:46

If you're a vendor, you can help out by trying to keep kids involved, but also by making sure you know who their handler is. If you're planning a wedding, make sure you You have someone assigned as a handler for each kid.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:03

That's the that's the thing. I am going to have a wedding. I am going to have a four-year-old flower girl. Her mother is in the wedding. Her mother needs to be helping me because I am the bride and she is one of my bridesmaids. Her mother, the flower girl's grandmother, is now invited. She is an invited guest to the wedding. Even though normally I I wouldn't have necessarily invited her. But now she is child minder.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:36

I don't care if they stay for dinner. I don't care if what they can leave at any time, but that person is assigned to this child. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:44

You know? It has to be somebody who isn't already have a role because we have seen it so many times. A bridesmaid, like if that's their mother, she cannot pull double duty.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:58

Like if the body if a bridesmaid is the mother of like the flower girl.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:01

Yeah, she cannot pull double duty and be the the mother and handle the baby and also be there for the wedding day because there is going to be a time where she has to stand up there with you for a wedding to like happen. Yeah. Right. And she can't like break formation to go make sure her kid doesn't jump off the side of Woodcliffe or something like that.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:24

And I mean, like, don't get me wrong, there have been days where like that's been the situation and it's gone wonderfully.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:31

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:32

Because like that's just their relationship. That's how the child normally behaves. A well-behaved, like well functioning child. Like, that's the thing. But like just because this is a wedding day does not mean that all of a sudden your child who doesn't like to talk to people and is shy is all of a sudden gonna be social butterfly dancing down the aisle. Like that's not gonna happen because they at this at a young age can't necessarily turn on the mask that we can put on to go, man, I hate being the center of attention. Like, I do not necessarily like being the center of attention as myself, but when I've been a bridesmaid at a wedding, I can turn it on because I have that capacity, but I've also been at a wedding, my own, and two with my daughter at different ages as a flower girl and a junior bridesmaid, where it has been hell with her because she's a child. Yes, and this isn't something she knows how to do. And I I mean, as a bride with my own child at a wedding, she was 18 months old, our baby girl was 18 months old at our wedding, yes, and it was like nobody knows what to do. Yeah, and all of a sudden everything fell apart just because there was no like we didn't set up enough for it to be easy for her handlers.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:10

It's a ripple effect. Everybody gets wedding brain. Wedding brain is when people's the closest people you know, they don't act the same on weddings. They make weird decisions, they talk and speak and make decisions out of character.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:26

Or their personality is cranked up. Yes, even more so.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:30

That's what but that's wedding brain. It's almost it's almost like you can't expect the swing of like how weird somebody's going to act indifferent. Like the like the easiest example is when a father that's pretty stoic suddenly cries. Yes, it's like that's that's wedding brain. Yes, he's being affected by wedding brain, or when a mother of the groom suddenly rushes onto the dance floor, like be you know, to steal a dance from from you know her son. That's wedding brain.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:01

Yeah, it's like where did that come from? Yeah, think about that.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:04

It's rippled over into the the people who are watching the kids because if you think adults get wedding brain when they start acting out of character, oh my god, these poor babies. Every kid has even even bigger swing all over the place.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:19

And I mean, think about it. They're wearing clothes that they've probably never worn before. Yes. Their feet hurt because they're wearing shoes that are hard plastic.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:28

Yeah, that they absolutely didn't break in.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:30

Imagine wearing, like, think about it, you're normally wearing like a t-shirt, cotton material, and then all of a sudden your neck is buttoned up to here. Don't have to imagine it, man. The sleeves are long and it's hot out, and what are suspenders? And I don't want to wear shoes. Like, how over stimulating that must be.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:49

It sucks. It sucks, it must suck.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:52

And so you have to plan for the kids to every eventuality that you know, somebody may need to physically carry the sleeping flower girl down the aisle. You know, I think that there are so many things that can be done preparation-wise to mitigate these disasters. Yeah. I think there's so many things that can be done preparation-wise to mitigate these things. So we said we were gonna talk about just off the top of our heads a few things that when planning a wedding, if you're planning on having a small child involved in the day, um, not even as like a guest, but just involved in the day through like being part of the wedding party. What can you do to maybe be mindful of their needs? The same way that you're buying bathrobes for your bridesmaids and flasks for the groomsmen, you also need to have some things for these little humans as well. Yeah, right. So my first thought was having your own snack bin for this child for these two children. But I'm not gonna have Doritos in that bag or Cheetos in that bag because that's gonna get all over them.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:14

Right? We're gonna have like clear juices, goldfish, goldfish, those those can get a little messy, but less so. Pretzels, fruit snacks, things like that that will keep them munching and crunching and happy throughout the day. Bam. That right there is a huge thing because they get angry. They don't want to be like, oh boy, they don't even know here.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:40

Yeah, they don't even know it. They don't go like I'm starving. They're just like I can hold out. Yeah, I can hold out for a little longer, but I'm pretty hungry.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:48

So readily available child snacks. Like, they don't want to be sitting there eating the charcuterie tray. No, no, get them some goldfish, some cheeses.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:57

I think another one that you do is that you always bring lollipops to weddings, like sugar-free lollipops to weddings.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:04

I keep them in my fanny pack.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:05

And I think brides or couples, I don't want to say brides, I think couples who are planning to have children at their their weddings should also provide that to their vendors. Like straws that are given to you from a waitress, you know, they have like in their pocket just like a billion straws or whatever. You should give all of those to your vendors so that the vendors, the photographers, the video, the content creators, the you know, the coordinator, the DJ or whatever, has lollipops or whatever.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:34

I have gone up to the the parents of like ring bearers or flower girls before family photos start, and I'm like, listen, I have lollipops in my purse or I have lollipops in my fanny pack, and I'll show them to the parents, I show them the ingredients, like I keep them with me the same way I would if I was to go to like my kids' school and bring a snack.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:55

They're sugar-free and from TJ Maxx. Oh, yeah, and they're delicious. Yeah, um, they're called something weird, it's from a brand you've never heard of.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:02

They're from Switzerland or something, but they're they're delicious and they're like the flat ones, and they're not like the dyes in them aren't bright, so they're not just gonna be like blue, like smiling. But I show the parents and I'm like, listen, at some point, if it's okay with you, I will pull these out to get a picture, or I will pull these out to get them to walk down the aisle. Is this okay? And they're usually like, Yeah, oh my god, like I remember as a child, a lollipop was an amazing bribe. Yes, you know, so there have been times where like there are like two brothers that are both ring bearers that are just like punching each other and they're not smiling for family photos, and I'll go, like, hey Braxton. Braxton is a great and they'll go like I need two smiles, one from you, one for oh another lolly, and you'll see all of a sudden bam, and I have so many I have so many of them in my bag, and they don't last very long, which is also the best part. It's not a pop that's gonna be in their mouth for an hour, it's like a minute and a half treat that just gets it gives them a reward, it gives them something to work for, and then later, hey, you gonna walk in and smile? No, will you walk up to me? Yeah. I don't like the idea of like strangers giving kids candy, but like No, but you're not a you're not a stranger at that point. I'm a person on the day, and the parents are very much like you got that because you smiled so nice. That's so cool. I wonder if you'll get another one later. I wonder if you walk in later, you'll get you know, like it's things like that that just make it's like hurting cats. Yeah. Like it's it's something simple. We've also seen on wedding days that I think is really cute when like the ring bearer is just like he can't he could walk, but having him walk down the aisle is not a good idea. You'll see them in a wagon and they have like a bubble wand gun thing that's just like spitting bubbles everywhere because one, it adds to the fun of the day. Yeah, two, it keeps them sitting, and three, bubbles, we love it. Like, so here for and it gives everybody the oh and it gets people to pay attention because like if they didn't pay attention to the few people coming down the aisle, all of a sudden there's bubbles, like where those come the baby. A baby. We love that, we love that, and the other thing that I really, really want to drive home this kid may not be involved in any aspect of your wedding, even though you plan to have them there.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:39

Yeah, plan them out because there's a good chance that like they're going to cry and scream. There is a equally as likely chance that they're going to do exactly what you thought as there is that they're going to do the exact opposite of what you planned for.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:57

Yes, because this is not a situation that they've ever been in.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:01

Rehearsal would be damned. They don't know.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:04

The rehearsal is completely different than the wedding day. All of a sudden, there's a billion people here. Yeah, and it's hot.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:10

And I'm in different clothes. This sucks.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:12

And I had to sit in that room that smelled like hairspray and anxiety all day.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:17

I've never been high before, but now I know how it feels because of all the hairspray I had to huff. And I'm hungry, and I'm hot and I'm sweaty.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:25

And this lady keeps telling me to smile and the lights are flashing. Like it's it's so much the same way that like we've seen couples go, I need a minute, like during the day. Could you imagine also shaking your pants during that situation like a toddler does? Yeah. Like that's oh my heaven. I do it.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:46

I've done it once at a wedding, and I'm like, this would suck if I was a if I was a kid, but I'm an adult. So I'm just I'm just kidding.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:53

That stressed me out so bad because I know your history and I would fully believe that something like that happened. No, but there, like I said, I've we've seen people that are like, you're not gonna let your kid be on their iPad at my wedding, right? And it's like, um, we're all sitting on our phones while getting our makeup done.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:12

And I'm sitting here eating like some random like cantaloupe and I'm scrolling TikTok. That child is quiet, they're not messing up their hair, they're not running around. Who cares?

SPEAKER_00 1:18:25

What kind of aesthetic are you trying to bring by being like and no screens like for children or whatever?

SPEAKER_05 1:18:35

Hey, by the way, I don't want to see anybody on their phones. Girl, look like no. Yeah, I'm so fucking you wanted them in your wedding. This is part of it. You know, it's no different than like if you had to have somebody like, oh, my dog is my ring bearer. Oh my god, it pooped over there. Dogs poop outside.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:54

Kids cry. But you wanted it to do, right? Yes, exactly. So we've had kids who have been perfect, they've been little and um honestly just did their job.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:06

They just wanted to be involved and be a part of the day and were willing to do whatever just to stand tall next to the big people.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:14

Well, uh my very, very favorite story about a kid at a wedding is was at Jalen's. Jalen and Linissa's wedding. Where they had her little flower girls. Was it her little sister?

SPEAKER_05 1:19:24

I don't I don't think it was her sister. It was her cousin. I believe it was her cousin. Don't tell me if I'm wrong. You know, don't don't correct me if I'm wrong because to us, I'm pretty sure she said, My cousin. Yeah. Your cousins at Christmas.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:37

Like she was the sweetest little girl.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:40

They let like anybody come up and do speeches.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:42

Yeah, she was in a big, big dress, and they let everybody grab the mic that wanted to.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:46

She was like a sweet little princess who was just so excited to be part of the day with all the beautiful girls. She was awesome. And to be dolled up. Her hair was makeup.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:55

She was so sweet the whole time.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:56

She was so kind and wanted to just be there.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:00

And so after, like at that point, like five people have given speeches. At least. And she, you know, she stepped up and she was crying.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:09

She had these sweet little gentle tears in her eyes, and she was just like, I remember when you asked me to be in your wedding. And like everybody's just already like, oh my god, this brave little girl just stood up. She goes, and I remember how excited I got that I fell down and hurt my knee.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:29

Just like and everyone's just like, I'm gonna miss seeing you all the time, but I'm so happy that you got married and I love you.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:39

And it was just here's a video right here. I'm gonna play it.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:44

I remember when you told me in Christmas to be your flower girl. I was so happy. I was so happy that I was even jumping all around. And I even hurt myself on the knee.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:06

We've also had, um like literally, like I said, show like Shining Star or Asteroid that killed the dinosaurs. We have had to save flower girls from getting run over by cars.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:18

Yes, well, not me, you did. I did. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:21

I did.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:22

I I saved them from getting intoxicated. The same girls in the same day. It was it was kind of crazy.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:28

It was it was absolute insanity because it was two flower girls and both their mother and their fathers were two separate cousins.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:36

There was two separate like kids.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:38

Two separate children with two separate sets of parents that were.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:41

Their parents were both in the bridal party. They were all in the wedding party.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:45

So two dad groomsmen, two mom bridesmaid, two flower girls, like from each family.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:52

One of them had the parents of the groom watching the kid.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:58

We'll use that real we'll use that really loosely because if they were they were watching the wedding and not the girls.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:04

They were assigned to watch the kids. Yes. Or they were at least told, like, hey, watch.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:09

Keep an eye on them because we can't.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:11

Because we're, you know, we're we're in a place near the road. And the other one, don't know.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:16

Oh, yeah, we don't know who was assigned to that. I don't know if like they were just like, well, they're watching her. Maybe they'll keep an eye on this one too. Maybe they'll think they're the same person, they're both wearing the same dress.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:25

These little girls caused so much havoc all day long. It was so tough. It wasn't even tough for everybody involved. No, absolutely.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:35

That was the hard part. I didn't feel comfortable being like, hey, you're being unsafe because they genuinely were just like He didn't have time to scold up and be like, hey, you know, cut that out.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:46

Are you gonna you had to like ah go get them because they're gonna go in the road and get squashed by a car, or the the okay, we're taking a big bridal party photo and let everybody put your beers down or whatever.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:59

This one little girl toddled up grabbed her cup of apple juice that was not apple juice and started drinking the beer.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:05

Oh my god, it was not which was insane. And even this was after the ceremony part, which you were part of.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:13

Which the flower girls, the the whole aisle was lined with these beautiful tall vases that were half full of water with floating real lit candles inside of them.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:23

They were like big candles.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:24

They were like they were like large candles.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:26

Super round and had really, really like stick.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:30

They had like they had tall flames coming from them, and the whole aisle was lined with flower petals, and these girls figured out how to David Blaine little poofs of fire by dropping these flower petals into the flame throughout the like the ceremony.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:45

So they're just sitting there going poof over and over again.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:50

Again and again, and it's like nothing bad is happening, but I'm ready to put out a fire. Like I I looked around the room for the fire extinguisher, found it, and I was ready to drop my camera and grab it at some point, but it wasn't causing enough of a disturbance to warrant me going, knock it off.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:11

This was also early in our career, so we didn't know how much we could intervene.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:14

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:15

We at that point we were still like kind of playing set of confiddle the photographers. We were just not where they we just are like simultaneously where they are and what they're doing, and also not in their way. Yeah. So, like, you know, at that point we were like, How much can we do that?

SPEAKER_05 1:24:30

I'm only intervening if somebody's gonna die. Exactly. Or if something really bad is happening.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:34

Which the that flower girl tested out right away when she bolted for the road.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:39

Yeah, we were we were all by the road taking pictures by the church, and you know, the bridal party is all lined up, and it's just like, okay, it's just the adults. Yay, the couple's kiss. And I literally was like, I know no one's watching her. Yeah, so I did. I was like, I can't film any of this. I'm not filming a single bridal party thing. It's all on you. I put my camera down. I was like, looks like I am the child minder right now.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:06

And one went one way down the sidewalk and one went for the crosswalk, and I was like, there's no cars there. And I remember I had to grab her. I picked her up and she was hitting me.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:16

And I was like, good for you hitting and kicking the stranger that's picking you up on the side of the road. Like, love the survival instincts you have. I love it, love it. Like the cars aren't dangerous, but this person uh who gave me a lollipop earlier is dangerous.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:29

Once again, it sounds so creepy, but like I was just like, I and it's not creepy coming from you. If it's if it's coming from me, like if you're the big if you're the big sweaty video guy, you cannot give the kids loud.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:43

Hey kids, smile for me, kids smile.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:45

When they were poofing in the during the ceremony when they were poofing the flowers into the candles, um, they were just like yelling at each other, too.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:58

They were kicking each other and fickering and and making just noise and singing.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:02

They were like just like singing out loud randomly.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:05

And at one point they looked back at us and we were like and they stopped and they were like, Oh, we're not supposed to make noise in here. There's the door to where the road is, and they booked it.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:16

Yeah, they took off, and I wrote And their handlers that were sitting in the aisles were like, Who's gonna go get them? Yeah, like totally forgot because it's wedding brain, and they're like, uh, I don't want to mess this up for anybody. I don't want to stand up. If I stand up and run out, I don't want anybody to whatever. But it's like, you know what's gonna ruin a wedding? If a kid, baby, if a kid gets pancaked. Like when he you know what will ruin a day is if the kid you're supposed to be watching gets dead, you know, like that that's yeah, whatever.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:47

I've seen recently um there's actually like services that are like up and coming that's literally just I am the wedding day babysitter.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:56

Oh, that's dope. Right.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:57

It reminds me of not to bring up Disney again, but there's literal like services where they have like vacation nannies who are like, I will come with you guys to the park.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:07

Yeah, those are like resorts and cruises too. So you can just you can equate it to that.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:11

Well, no, no, no, it's fine because this is what I know. I'm talking about what I know. But like they're literally like, yeah, I know you're like a family of five and you have like a two-year-old, and you and your older kids want to go on this ride together. Me and little buddy right here are gonna go walk around and watch a parade, and I'll meet you back here. Like, it's it's a legitimate service, and I'm seeing that more and more coming up on like wedding connection Facebook pages and stuff like that. Like, hey, I'm, you know, so and so. And I literally, my whole job is just to be a child minder on the day of the wedding. I'm there, you know, during cocktail hour if the kid needs a break. I'm there if they just want to go walk. You know, I will bring them back to your house and finish the night out there. So you do not have to, whatever, I will do transport. I mean, we've seen that on data. Days of the wedding where the bridal party is getting ready, and then maybe it's like 30 minutes before the ceremony, and up comes the grandparents with a baby in pajamas, they get dressed, they had already taken a nap, they weren't surrounded by the chaos of the day, and then they're kind of like, Oh, I'm here, I'm gonna dress, I'm with my parents now, I'm happy. Get a couple pictures, they get to be in the ceremony, and then grandma and grandpa take them home. Yeah, like that's all they're really for. It's a hundred percent. We're not even talking about children as guests at weddings, which I'm not even going to talk about in this episode. Yeah, we'll save that for something else. In and of itself.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:39

Because it's it's like more power to you if you want to do that.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:42

That's just that's a lot to to it can be, it surely can be, depending on what kind of day you want to have. But we'll definitely talk about that in another podcast. But this is just referring to children in the wedding party.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:55

Yes. And children who are part of the day or children that are the children of people that are part of the day. Yeah. You know, uh it is honestly you the the the best way to approach this, and I'm I'm not trying to dehumanize the children, I'm not trying to whatever, but there's a lot of time and energy and money that goes into wedding days, and you really want to cross all your T's and dots dot all your I's. You really want them there over prepare. The the like think about like we've gone to weddings where the couple is like a a really big dog family. Yes. Right? And they want their dog involved on the day. So during our, you know, we'll do a first look, and then our dog is gonna join us. And every single time there will be a dog sitter.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:41

Not every not every single time.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:43

Every every time that it's worked the best, there will be a dog sitter that comes up with the leash, hands it over to somebody, hands over whatever, brings brings a dog too. We get the cute candidates, they cook the dog back on the leash, bye, and then they piece and they're gone from the wedding, yeah, usually. And I hate to say like children at weddings should be treated like that, but if you're you if they're part of your wedding, you're already using them as a prop, pretty much.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:10

Yeah, you're you're you're expecting them to be doing a uh a task, you're expecting them to be a part of your picture of your day, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:30:22

So fly them in for that part that's gonna be memorable and then fly them out. Yep.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:29

Get them out of there because you know the and if you can't, for whatever reason, you have to expect that some things may not be as shiny as you hoped they would be. Yes, right? Like they may not make it down the aisle the way you hoped. They may be asleep at entrances, they may actually have to get picked up, yeah, and whatever. They may during entrances, all of a sudden they're in their pajamas. Yeah, like you wanted them there.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:59

You have these, you have these kids that are the groom's younger brothers or whatever, and it's family photos time. We're gonna get all the family photos, and where are your pants? They've changed out of their clothes into their night clothes or whatever, and and now you have to wrangle them up, and grandma's gotta go and get them changed back into what they're supposed to be wearing or whatever.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:21

It happens all the time.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:22

So it does, it's just it's very it's almost like I I said it's an equal chance that they do everything perfect. It's way more expected for them to not do anything perfect, and that's fine because they're kids and and you roll with the cute. But if you really want to make everybody as happy as possible, especially you and the person, whatever, handlers, small tasks, keep them involved, and snacks fly them in and fly them out as soon as they're ready and done. Because, like, you don't need them. People who get ready with the kids or whatever, they will no kid, no kid, no kid. Suddenly a kid gets dressed, has a little makeup applied, does their hair real quick, and then gone. Yeah. Whatever. She's the flower girl, she looks so pretty in her dress. Here's a picture of you in your bathrobe playing with her real quick in the thing, and then she's out, she's gone. She likes she was we'll we'll see her later.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:21

They want to go run up and down the pretty aisle really quick, or they want to be outside. Yeah, they want to go look at the flowers. Where's my dad? I saw grandma. I want to go over here. I smell something good. Like the the way that like we acknowledge things, like, oh, that food's probably really good. Kids gonna grab it. They're gonna eat it. Like, they are they're in the things that we think, like, oh my god, I would absolutely love to have a cupcake right now. Oh, look, little Moira's eating one. Like, yeah, that kind of thing is gonna happen. Like, oh yeah, I'm getting kind of hungry. That child is dying of hunger. Yes, you know, like it is to the extreme. Like, oh, it's hot out, that child is sweltering. Yes, like you have to expect that. Like if you also, just real quick, if you know this child and you know that they are just hell on wheels or loud, yeah, or their parents let them kind of get away with anything, or at every family party, they end up on the table or breaking something, and you're like, that's gonna be my flower girl or my ring bearer, my junior bridesmaid. Why did you think on your wedding day they were gonna be any different?

SPEAKER_00 1:33:28

Yeah, why'd you make that bet? Don't gamble, never buy a lottery ticket, don't talk to the police. You know, you guessed wrong. Um, that sucks. Um, if you have had a terrible experience with a child at a wedding, whether you were a guest or a vendor or their handler, or it was your kid and they jumped into the case.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:51

Or it was you as a child who did something kind of crazy at a wedding.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:56

Or if you've had experiences that are good and you want to, you know, want us to eat our words, please let us know. DM us, comments.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:03

I like I said, I love when like a kid at a wedding all of a sudden is just like the and I'm here. I mean, don't you remember at that one wedding where all of a sudden like it started getting a little emotional during the ceremony, and the flower girl realized it and went up and held the bride and groom's hands. Yeah. And she and the thing was is that like I didn't expect her to do that because she was very clingy. It was Jess and Alex's wedding.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:27

Jess and Alex's wedding. It was Jess and Alex's wedding. I was trying to think.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:30

I knew where it was, and it was just like it was like all of a sudden she realized that like this was a really important moment, and she was like, I'm gonna go be present in this wedding. Yeah, and she may not even remember this later on in life, but for a second I was just like, Oh my god. Like she really just took like everyone is very warm out here. It's a summer day, it's a beautiful day, but it's warm, and then all of a sudden everybody just was engaged because of that. It was like she brought everybody there, and I did not expect that from that little one.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:04

No, it was very, very sweet.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:05

I mean, she was a very nice little girl, but I did not expect her to do something so brave and bold, and it was also so innocent, but it was surprising.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:17

We've had also um one of our couples, Alyssa and Brian, they uh their baby girl was there on the day, and her sister also had just recently had a baby. They were like the same age, um, which is crazy. That's some crazy timing. Um and so beautiful. They were the sweetest little babies the entire day. They were so smiley and happy, and that's kind of half the just because they were great parents um to this baby, and she was just happier or whatever.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:51

This person's watching the child, and this person's watching the child, and then we're gonna take some pictures, and then our babysitter is gonna go here. Yeah, and then at one point the groom walked down the aisle with his daughter in her beautiful wood dress, it was so awesome. And then passed the baby off to his father, who was there and ready. It was choreographed, it was beautiful. I if I'm being completely honest, I don't remember if the baby was at the reception or not.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:17

Because one, it was either of them were there. No, honestly.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:22

No, I don't in the slightest. But it was just one of those things where it was just done so well that it was like the baby's here when we need her, and then she's not, and then she's here and she's smiling and she's cute, and then she's somewhere in the shade, and then all of a sudden she's there for the ceremony, and I'm sobbing because she's walking down the aisle with her daddy, and then one day she might do this with her daddy when she's older, and then she's gone. Like, it was just like if you're gonna have a baby at a wedding, that's how you do it. They're in, they're out, they're hiding, they're back. They're like a celebrity, they're like, you know, like when like all of a sudden, like a bunch of like movements happening and they're like, is that the celebrity movie? Like, avert your eyes, don't nobody look. We're bringing we're wheeling them out.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:04

Yes, it was it's it was very well done. If you were one of our couples and you had a kid that was a disaster on the day, or if you're one of couples that a kid that was great on the day, if you were a bride or a groom or a couple that had a kid that was a disaster on a day, in the end, it's all just a story, it's all just stories, it's all it's over now, you know, and they grow up, you'll tell them and they'll be embarrassed, and it's great. Um, and if you were one of our couples, you had bad kids or do what and guess what? They didn't make it into the video, so it's like it never happened, you know. So that's that's how I always look at it. Um unless you got the traditional film, then you're seeing almost yeah, then you're seeing it all, and sorry about that.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:49

But the edit, we left it out of the romantic moving edit.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:54

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:54

Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:55

Like I said, if you have a good story about kids at weddings, uh, I would love to hear it. I know you would love to hear it too. So please let us know in the comments or DM us or send us videos of kids being little sh at weddings, whatever. Sounds good to me. Well, thanks for watching our fourth episode now of For Better or Worse. Um, I have loved doing this. I just want you to know that. I want you to know that on camera that I've really, really enjoyed doing this.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:20

If I'm being completely honest, so we filmed this one uh like really late at night, like we said, and I want to know if the vibes were different in this one. Our uh our day was very, very hectic and chaotic, and tomorrow's gonna be hectic and chaotic, and it was nice to sit down and kind of just chat with you. So let us know if you like this vibe better than the one we were putting out before, for sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:46

I'd like to try to keep it like filming during the days and stuff when the kids are at school, but maybe once a month. If we have to do this at night, have a little like after, you know, a midnight hour podcast.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:58

We gotta introduce alcohol to it if we're gonna keep doing that then.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:01

That's a good idea. I have so many ideas. So many ideas of how to introduce alcohol into this podcast, make games out of it.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:08

On our next podcast, we are going to be talking about favors at weddings, whether they are worth spending your money on, and what some people have said have been the absolute best and worst favors they have received at a wedding. If you liked what you heard here today, don't forget to RSVP to the channel by subscribing and to be notified when we put out a new video, ring the wedding bell below. Bye. Bye.