Spurs Fans vs Reality: Heated NBA Playoff Debate 🔥

This episode goes OFF. What starts as NBA playoff talk quickly turns into a heated debate about the Spurs, Kawhi Leonard, and what really went wrong. From playoff predictions to calling out narratives, this one is raw, unfiltered, and full of real opinions.

🎙️ In this episode:
 • NBA playoff matchups and predictions
 • Spurs vs Blazers breakdown
 • Warriors, Nuggets, and Western Conference outlook
 • The Kawhi Leonard controversy revisited
 • Did the Spurs organization play a role?
 • Lamarcus Aldridge’s role in the system
 • How team systems affect superstar performance

🧠 What you'll learn:
 • How playoff matchups can shape a championship run
 • Why team culture and systems matter more than stats
 • The real impact of injuries vs narratives
 • Different perspectives on the Kawhi-Spurs situation
 • How fans interpret loyalty, leadership, and accountability

⏱️ CHAPTERS / TIMESTAMPS
 00:00 Intro
 00:45 Playoff headlines & Spurs discussion
 02:30 Western Conference matchups breakdown
 05:30 Kawhi Leonard debate begins
 09:20 Spurs vs Kawhi – who’s at fault?
 12:30 Media influence & player narratives
 14:15 Spurs playoff frustrations explained
 17:00 Lamarcus Aldridge discussion
 20:00 Spurs system vs player performance

📢 About the Podcast
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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

Episode 7, guys. Anything and everything with Matt Rainer special playoff edition, baby. It's all W's here, dawg. I just wear W's and all I get is W's and number twos. You take number twos. Big shout out to my boy Drew. Got a birthday. And a special shout out to my boy Johnny, who uh who's joining us today for the first time. And today, guys, it's all playoff basketball. So easy. What do y'all say is the um headline going into the playoffs? Because I know what it is for me personally, but obviously I'm a biased Spurs fan, but y'all go for it. They're trying to see if Latrash can do anything. The trash?

SPEAKER_00 0:45

Nah, I mean do anything with I think for a Spurs fan is should they have won that game?

SPEAKER_02 0:51

That's that's where I'm at right now. That's the most pressing thing that I'm I'm thinking that may derail us. Who we didn't win that that game against um Denver. I don't know, man. That that what is it? It pushed Denver into a higher spot because of that?

SPEAKER_00 1:09

It would have beat Denver, they would have been on the other side of the bracket with OKC. And we could have let them both fight against it.

SPEAKER_02 1:15

See?

SPEAKER_01 1:16

And now they're doing what?

SPEAKER_02 1:17

So now if we win, Denver's most likely gonna beat Minnesota, and then we're gonna play Denver second round. I mean, does Minnesota get back Edwards? Is he coming back or not? What was the option? I don't know. He doesn't. Well, he doesn't fight. Yeah, I don't know why I'm asking him to bet you there's gonna be a lot of bets thrown out today because y'all y'all are gonna try and fact check me and I'm not having it. Not on Drew's birthday, I'm not having it. You don't even know how he got hurt. Huh? You don't even know how he got hurt.

SPEAKER_00 1:42

It says meniscus. Meniscus. Matt's right when he's wrong. Like when I watched the other podcast when you're talking about uh college players getting paid and they have classes.

SPEAKER_02 1:52

Yeah, no, I think previously he was right. He was wrong. Why do you think I wear this, bro? He was saying it happened in the podcast. Why do you think I wear this, Johnny? You think that whataburger just you know sends it to anybody? As soon as I saw it, I was like, where did that guy get that chain? I thought he spent like a hundred racks on the chain. I'm like, I guess, man, he's just bought in like that. And for some reason, I was just like, whataburger.com. So the thing and it was there, I was just like, yeah. So anyway, the Thunder plays the Suns are the Warriors, the Lakers are playing the Rockets, Nuggets are playing T-Wolves, y'all are playing the Blazers, Pistons playing the Magic Hornets, Cavs, Raptors, Knicks, Hawks, Celtic. How'd the fucking Hawks get into the playoffs?

SPEAKER_00 2:34

Would you rather play the Nuggets or the Wolves?

SPEAKER_02 2:36

The Wolves. See, that's that's the thing, too. The Wolves, they they might beat the Nuggets. So we might get them second because okay, so what do y'all first and foremost? What do y'all think the Spurs are gonna go against the Blazers? Gentlemen Sweep? No, they'll go. Man, they might they might get a couple. They're the Portland's not bad. They're not a horrible team. They got one guy. They don't they don't have no, but Grant, they've got Grant, they've got Scoots not playing horribly. Denny, dude, who's gonna guard Denny? Who are you guys gonna guard Denny? You're not gonna put Wemby on Denny. No. I mean You're not putting Wemby on Denny. You're gonna have, and there's nobody's big enough to guard him besides Wemby. Are you gonna put Luke? What is it, Luke Cornett? Who's he got the other guy? No, I guess we'll put Wemby on him. I mean, he's Denny's good. I like Denny. I think Denny's actually.

SPEAKER_00 3:26

What was the damage when we played on Wembley? He's fucking he's dope. We played him once this season, right?

SPEAKER_02 3:29

No, y'all played him already three times, I think. I think we played him four times in my last thing. And fucking Wemby didn't play any of the times. And y'all beat him two times out of the three, I think. Three times out of the three. Wimby played, right? No. Anyway, that's five games. Easy. Yeah, I think they win one. Yeah, that's a gentleman's sweep. I think they went two. Okay, so uh so Thunder, Suns, or Warriors. Man, I hope the Warriors get in. Dude, the Warriors again, the Warriors, that's just veteran stuff. It's cool. They played, they played a good. Who was it that they played yesterday? I even bet on that game. The Warriors are in. Yeah, the Warriors are in. Against the Suns, right now, for the final spot. But who did they play yesterday? The Warriors beat the Clippers. That was weird. Thank God. That was weird. Yeah. I mean, dude, Kawhi got a lot. I knew you were gonna mention your Lord and Savior. Bro, Kawaii was going off for 28, 28, averaging 28th. He's been going off. You know what I hear? I hear that he's been playing like that because whatever happens with this uh what is that thing called? Uh that CBA? No. Um, what was that uh the sponsorship called the one that he took for like that? Yeah, yeah. So whatever happens with that, I heard that he might go down as well. So that's what he gets. I don't know if that's the uncle just throwing him out there, Uncle. What's it Uncle Dennis or what's his name? Yeah. Well, so back in the day, I heard that Uncle Dennis specifically said we need X, Y, Z, and off the book money. Here's the thing exactly like that. Do you think and you think that's the only person in the history of fucking professional sports that's ever been like, yo, I need this dog, even in college sports, bro. Let's be let's be real. Yes, I know y'all hate him. Cool, get it. I know y'all hate him. Matt completely hates him, right? I like him. Matt goes as far as like nobody nobody did anything wrong but Kawhi. Nobody. I never said that. I never said that. Nah, I'm just saying, keep it real, bro. You don't want to be here. That's totally fine. Keep it real. They would have shut the fuck up. He probably would have made stayed. So what hold on? Tell me that that didn't go like this to him at least a little bit. And then he went, ah, fuck that. Peace him out.

SPEAKER_00 5:36

I wouldn't say maybe he didn't he didn't want to be here, right? It was a contributing factor. Yeah, he didn't want to be here, but then all the little jabs made him not want to be here more.

SPEAKER_02 5:43

For sure. Okay, so that's like me telling you something and then and then I w I'd give you whip. I just smack the shit out of you. Yeah, I would respect you, I would respect you way more for that, and not being like a fucking crybaby about it and fucking split. The point was again, is that that those jabs and those pushes, and they even said it, dude. Lamarcus, even Lamarcus can't went on a podcast and said, You yo dog. He said he didn't want to be here, but then they kept and he was like, I'm not the he didn't want to be here. That's the point. Cool. And you know what the case in point is?

SPEAKER_00 6:10

Who wouldn't want to play in the hometown? Just say that. So he didn't want to play the city. That's fine. I think he would have stayed here without the jabs.

SPEAKER_02 6:18

No, he would not. Yes, he would have. No, oh, you're a liar. You're a liar.

SPEAKER_00 6:22

You don't know what to do.

SPEAKER_02 6:22

Would he have stayed here? What was Kawhi?

unknown 6:26

No, I don't think so.

SPEAKER_02 6:27

What was the percent? What's the percentage you think that it was just like he just wanted to dip?

SPEAKER_00 6:30

100%.

SPEAKER_02 6:31

See, that's right. I think it's high. That's where it's just super in.

SPEAKER_00 6:33

I think it's like 75, 80.

SPEAKER_02 6:35

What's the what's the matter with wanting to be home? Okay, but you guys crucify this guy for that. Crucify him. Literally, no, oh yeah, because he was a liar. The group chat was released. He was faking injuries, faking injuries so that way he could go home. Right. He goes, he was faking injuries, then he went to Toronto, won a ship there, had the same injury in Toronto, played through it and said, Fuck you guys. I'm gonna I'm gonna play through it. Pause. And then he contributes, he continues to have the same injuries over and over and over again. There's a difference, bro. He's had it's all lower extremity stuff, it's all quads, it's all it's all it's all calf, it's all lower extremity leg injuries. The dude has issues with his legs, dog. He has issues with his legs. That's the thing, is that whenever he had that issue and they came out and said, Mine was worse. He was like, Fuck you. That's not even how he said it. First of all, second of all, second of all, it's even worse. Second of all, what was happening is it's not that he didn't have the injury, he was milking the injury. There's a difference saying that, oh man, my legs hurt right now is not the same as being like, you know what, it hurts, but I can go. See what I'm saying? So he was okay, so just because it hurt, he just milked it. So so so so. Case in point, it's when we went to go check on him. Remember, we're like, hey man, where's Kawhi at? They hit him and he goes out the back door and this and that. Why are you gonna be doing that shit if you're on the up and up? You like the back door?

unknown 7:53

Hello.

SPEAKER_02 7:54

See, see, and this dude knows. He knows he just wanted to go home. And no, that's fine, right? And again, if he did want to go home, just say you want to go home. Don't let the Spurs get drugged through the mud because you want to go home. Just be a man and say you want to go home.

SPEAKER_00 8:07

It's all right. Great deal, or hey, Kawhi, you're the focus of our team. Blah blah blah blah. Uh uh, you know what, Tony? Get out of here, Tony.

SPEAKER_02 8:15

I'd rather have you out here than Kawhi. Bro, it didn't even have to get to that point. He didn't even say anything that bad. It wasn't that bad. Have you seen what Tony says specifically publicly on TV and said No, he didn't. I had a worse, I had a worse injury. No, he didn't. Mine was worse. Read it. Mine was worse, is what he said. Read it. Did he not say mine was worse? So he said, I've been in a certain situation like that, and mine was 10 times worse. And he goes, You just gotta stay positive. So, anyways, off that no, that's it. Because you there's one L for you for today, there's one L. For your birthday, there's a hot L. Here's the thing, right? So he gets hurt with you guys, right? Sure. Then he goes to Toronto and has the same injury, pretty much the same injury, is hurting. What's that thing? Then he goes, then he goes, I'm saying as he moves along, then he goes to the Clippers and oh, leg injuries again. But he was milking or he wasn't really hurt. Come on, that's the thing. That's what bugs me. He doesn't that's what bugs that's what bugs me when Spurs fans are just uh mad about this guy, but he's continuing to have the same injuries over and over and over. It's all lower extremity leg injuries. It's again, like I said, Brandon Roy, all these guys, all these guys, Brandon Roy, the guys that had injuries, bro, they were injury prone. Don't try that. Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, Johnny.

SPEAKER_00 9:23

Tony Parker's quote. I've been through it, mine was a hundred times worse.

SPEAKER_02 9:28

That's round, that's round out of context. Say the whole thing. The whole thing. That's not the way that it went. Hey, but he's a swell fella, and I hope he gets better. Remember, remember?

SPEAKER_00 9:42

Controversial quote regarding Choir Leonard's March 2018. Um, quad injury. I've been through it, and mine was a hundred times worse.

SPEAKER_02 9:51

That's bro, that's that's the definition of taking something out of context. He's taking a snip. That is exactly that is one sentence out of a paragraph to what he said. Did the whole conversation just end up being just, oh, well, I wish him the best. I think he's gonna do all right. Can't wait to have him back. It wasn't like that. It was along the lines of, hey man, we just gotta be positive, all right? And they turned it all into like, hey, quit being a bitch and come start playing. He wasn't the only one, he wasn't the only one that made a comment about it. He wasn't, and again, that's fine, right? So things are taken out of context. Like if I say something however that person perceives it and how it goes through their ears is gonna be how they're gonna take it.

SPEAKER_01 10:26

Bro, what I mean was that.

SPEAKER_02 10:27

But here's another thing. Here's another thing, X, right? Here's another thing. Did he take that? Like, if I said something mean to you, right? You and me are cool. If I said something messed up to somebody else that doesn't know me like that, it's a different, different context. You know what I mean? So the context that he took it with whatever Tony said to him was Kawhi was offended by him. He him and Tony maybe didn't get along or whatever, you know.

SPEAKER_01 10:46

You know, you know whose fault it is? It was our if it was it was our media's fault, San Antonio's media's fault, bro.

SPEAKER_02 10:54

Everybody's media, everybody's media. You're right, a hundred percent.

SPEAKER_01 10:58

They should have had our you know what it said.

SPEAKER_02 11:03

Look, I've been through it, it's a rehab for me for it. Uh it was a rehab for me for eight months, same kind of injury as as Kawhi's, but mine was a hundred times worse. You just have to stay positive. That's that's big time. See, and just because he takes he's taking it now, second L for his birthday, and that's why he's doing that. Because we all know, bro. We all know taking that the way that he did is being rowdy sensitive, dog. Shall out, doc. You a pro or not? Johnny, what have we told each other on the basketball court? Way worse shit than that. I've told you way worse shit than that. You don't start crying about it. Oh, I want to leave the whole team. I'll go whip you right now.

SPEAKER_00 11:43

If you told me something, or I told you something, okay, it's cool. But if you're getting it from a bunch of different everywhere.

SPEAKER_02 11:49

So then I would tell you, hey, put it this way. Watch, I would say, hey Johnny, did you read my whole quote, bro? This is my whole quote. You never left he's gonna go out of his way. You never left the buddy, he's on my team.

SPEAKER_00 11:58

You never left the group chat or muted the group chat because everybody's going at you.

SPEAKER_02 12:01

No, no, he hasn't. I muted no, I I muted the group chat because y'all wouldn't shut up. I mean, that was like uh that's totally different. That gets off and he's on. No, what's if you if you accept I wouldn't want to leave the team, I'd hash it out with you. We would get rid of you, but but but if I wanted to leave, I'd use it as an excuse. Easy. I don't think it was it all fits, bro. You know that that's what happened. So again, for you guys to sit there and be like, hmm, fuck kawaii, all this stuff, right? I'm like, dog, like there was other things that contributed. Part the team in the media, San Antonio itself, pushed this man out the door. That's fine. I was like, Yeah, you're better off, so you're good. He wanted a split.

SPEAKER_00 12:38

He wanted to leave, like everybody's saying, right? I say 75, 80. Yeah, he wanted to leave. All the shit was happening, and he's like, you know what? I'm gonna go. You say excuse, he's like, you know what? That's just more reason for me to do it.

SPEAKER_02 12:47

But it's like if you had a girlfriend, it's like if you had a girlfriend dog and you just kept doing stupid stuff, and then finally she finds you like, you know what? Fuck this, I'm out and I'm done. And then you're like, Well, babe, why are you leaving? I love you. Not necessarily, no, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait, oh, because that's that's that's see, you're incomplete. Did she want to leave? Because we've all been there before where a girl's been wanting to leave us, right? And then you leave the bread open and she's like, I'm gone. It's like, damn, did you want to leave? Like, was this already part of your plan or what? Now you're using any excuse to leave. That's the difference. She's like, that was a rowdy fart, that was bad. I'm done. I'm done. I think there's a lot of circumcises.

SPEAKER_00 13:20

I had chilly.

SPEAKER_02 13:21

Oh, that was an excuse. Oh, that was the biggest excuse. That's what he did. Don't you see? And that's fine, right? I get it. But for you to for you, hold up, for you to pretend like there was nothing else. I never said that. Like y'all just I never said that. We never do anything wrong. I never said that. Never, as a matter of fact, why didn't he stay in Toronto then? Because he didn't have to. Why would you why would anybody want to stay in Toronto? He didn't want to be there to begin with, and where did he want to be? He wants to go to LA. The whole time. Why at LA? The whole time. That's it. I mean, obviously, that was a smoking gun. So the reason why we got pissed off, letting me finish my argument, is because we did that, and now he was supposed to get the torch, and now that stopped us from going to the playoffs for 10 straight years. Yeah, we're not happy about that. Because here in San Antonio, Drew, for opening your mouth. Here in San Antonio, no, we just didn't know we could have our contract, right?

SPEAKER_00 14:14

Won it, yeah. Okay, so why why why would why didn't he want to stay here just for one more year and then go to LA when he's free agent?

SPEAKER_02 14:19

What do you mean? He could have just ridden he wrote out his contract and said, Cool, I'm peace me out. Oh, badass, and then we get nothing from him. Get nothing anyways, didn't get anything anyways. It didn't make a damn difference. So what? Would you get Yakap Purto? No, we got we got uh Purdo and De Rosen, yeah. What came out of it? That that's not the point, Johnny. The point is that we're gonna get something. Oh, yeah, just let him ride out of his contract and then split. 10 years, 10 years, 10 years because you had dude. DeMar DeMar DeRozan was not a bad player. And you know what's funny? Jakob Purdo ended up being a pretty decent guy. But all of us, then y'all just fucked y'all. Three L for you, one L for you. Just because of Kawhi, you didn't win championship again, or you didn't go to the playoffs? No, but he was a big reason why. What? And then you went and got Lamarcus and complained about Lamarcus. Well, Lamarcus shit the bed when he was here. Kawhi here Lamarcus Aldridge average at the same age. See, see, see, see, see, see, that's see that's where he goes for stats. No, no, no, no. That's cool, dude. Because again, that's what you're doing, is you're like, he sucks. He didn't suck. I never said he sucks. He didn't suck. You said he shit the bed. Does that mean suck? Look, you know what? You know what? I'll take that back. At the same, at the same time, Lamarcus didn't shit the bed. At the same age as Tim Duncan, the same age Lamarcus R just played here, they averaged almost the same, the same number. So it's the same thing, right, Johnny? No, it's the same number. You see what he does? You got what you paid for, dog. You got what you paid. He played well. So and it wasn't even a system that revolved around that. Even Coach Pop went on the on the on the radio and said, I coached him wrong. He didn't play to Lamarcus Lamarcus' standard. No, he did not. He made the all-star team one time. And he, if I'm not mistaken. And he and he went, he played again. Lamarcus is a great player. He played to he played at what he was at, 25, 26 points a game, whatever it was. And then he played to again reflecting it direct numbers from what Tim Duncan at that age did with the Spurs and what uh Lamarcus did here with the Spurs. They had replicated numbers, it was almost the same. It was like off by a rebound and off by maybe a point. What's your point with that? He played well, is what I'm saying. He played well. The system didn't help. Did he play to Lamarcus? He did his job. Yes, he did. No, I disagree. Lamarcus himself would probably disagree.

SPEAKER_00 16:24

I don't get the stats. I don't think so, but he had he had a different role over there.

SPEAKER_02 16:27

How did Lamarcus play with the sex? I think he had a totally different role.

SPEAKER_01 16:30

I don't know, man. I I've never been a fan of Lamarcus, honestly.

SPEAKER_02 16:33

I was a huge fan of Portland. Remember when we got him? In Portland? I was so happy, was I not?

SPEAKER_01 16:38

You go like this.

SPEAKER_02 16:39

Why weren't you a big fan of his or what uh or X? What did you think when he played here?

SPEAKER_01 16:44

I don't know. I I don't like the way he he was he was a big and then he just played too far from the basket. But he's been doing that since he was in Texas. What do you mean?

SPEAKER_00 16:51

That was his game.

SPEAKER_01 16:51

That's fine, but that's your opinion. Cool. But this one this one would cry for you.

SPEAKER_02 16:56

Back to the basket. Put you back to the basket. No, at least go to the left. He didn't play, he'd been playing like that since college. If you watched college, you would have known that. But you don't watch called ball. Oh, no, but I know him in the Blazers. And he then he did the same thing with the Blazers. He's never a back to the basket guy with the Blazers. What the fuck are you talking about? Yes, he was. He never was. He wasn't a back to the basket guy. Bro, he had a fadeaway from 15. And how do you do a fadeaway? With your back to the basket. You can do shoulder in and then so you just walk straight up and then fade away. You can lean out.

SPEAKER_00 17:27

I think he was fair with the Blazers that he was with the Spurs, but with the Blazers. And he got half the touches. He got half the touches. It's a different system.

SPEAKER_02 17:34

Exactly. And you know what? From from what I heard too, he was telling Pop that you know what? I'm not being the focal point or whatnot. And that's what was ruffling um that's the uh Kawhi's feathers as well. Kawhi wasn't even with y'all when he what the fuck are you talking about? Oh, you're talking about Kawhi saying that. Saying that to Pop? Is that what you mean? Yeah. Lamarcus wanted the ball more than what we were giving it to him. We were giving it to Kawhi. Kawhi? Kawhi didn't say that. You don't even know. So he's disqualified from the conversation, dog. You didn't even know. You didn't even know that Kawhi played with Lamarcus. Even worse. And then you were complaining about not winning another championship. He wouldn't play. And then he he and then he faked the injury and then he only played 10 games. So he played with Lamarcus for 10 games? No. No, no, no, no. What are we talking about? Check it. How many games Kawhi played with Lamarcus? A whole season. He said a whole season? A whole season. So why didn't y'all win the championship then? What do you mean? Uh no, it's Kawhi's fault. I mean, it was Lamarcus' fault. Anyway, because averaging 25 points a game, 26 points a game.

SPEAKER_00 18:34

It's just like it's the Spurs system. Like the Rosen when he left the Spurs, what was he averaging compared to what he had with the Spurs? I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 18:40

And that's where I get it, right? I mean, Spurs fans love their team, right? But the thing, the thing is, it's it's it's not it's not always easy to play Spurs ball, man. It's not always easy to play in that system. Yeah, it's not always easy to play for pop.

SPEAKER_00 18:52

Yeah, but NBA players saying that.

SPEAKER_02 18:54

That's true. Pop literally went on the radio dog and I recorded it and sent it to you. And I said, Pop was like, I just coached him wrong. He's like, the system that we had it for him, I coached him wrong. Of course he's gonna say that. Look, Pop's not gonna throw anybody under the bus. When has he ever done that? And that's fine. I get that. But the whole point being again is that you get you get the that was the one of the first big players that you finally got, and y'all shit the bed with him. As much as you're saying he shit the bed, let's say that pop shit the bed. He can't be perfect all the time. You know what I mean? That's the thing. Is that San Antonio fans are like, no way, there's no way that we did anything wrong. Ever.

SPEAKER_00 19:26

I never said that. In what way? The speed of the game.

SPEAKER_02 19:32

That's an adaptation of things. Not at that time. I think so. Well, kind of. I mean, I think so. Not like the way that it is now, but kind of. Oh, now it's that is. We still could have been contenders, bro. We were still we were still two games, two games away from going to the finals. Again, and and the that's that's the argument I have with you is that when you you give these guys. Oh, wait a minute. How is it just one person's final? Wait a minute, wait a minute. Going back to your thing, what did we do with Lamarcus and Kawhi? We went to the Western Conference Finals. Shut your mouth. Didn't win.

unknown 20:03

Huh?

SPEAKER_02 20:04

Kawhi got hurt? Yes, when Kawhi got hurt by Zaza. Oh, he's that that's right. And the next year is when we see and then uh Lamarcus had scored. Lamarcus went Lamarcus during that thing, and he scored 40 points because he had to back. And he was the guy. That's what I'm saying. That's what even what Skees was saying is that Lamarcus was the dude over in in Portland, right? Without question, he was the guy. So when you cut this guy's touches in half, it's gonna throw a dude off, bro. When these guys are used to shooting, let's say 500 shots or whatever it may be, 5,000 shots or whatever, and then you chop them in half. How can you catch a rhythm like that? So there's a difference between, you know, obviously just not being able to produce the way that you used to, and you just not looking like your normal self. Kind of like a little bit like what Fox is looking like right now. And again, that's hard. See what I'm saying? That's hard for a superstar like that to take a step back and be like, okay, I'm just I'm gonna do what I have to do.

SPEAKER_00 20:56

But Fox is getting his touches still, he's just missing shots, he's not consistent. Lamarcus Audres wasn't getting the ball as he was. Yes, he was with the ball.

SPEAKER_02 21:02

How was he not getting the ball if he was averaging 20 something? But they the thing is again that he was a pretty efficient. He was an efficient exactly because they moved the ball, he's a big efficient. He was getting efficient shots. So then was he getting it or not? No, not as much as he did in Portland, that's for sure. So he was yeah, tell me how much he was shooting and how much he was scoring.