What Is The Best Way To Coach These Youngsters? Current Spurs Culture.

The conversation gets wild as the crew breaks down the San Antonio Spurs playoff run, Victor Wembanyama’s development, De’Aaron Fox, Stephon Castle, playoff basketball, and the current state of the NBA. From heated debates about Nikola Jokic and the greatest centers ever to frustrations with foul trouble, coaching decisions, and Spurs expectations, this episode is packed with passionate basketball talk and hilarious moments. 

🎙️ In this episode:
 • Victor Wembanyama’s biggest strengths and weaknesses
 • Is Nikola Jokic a Top 5 center of all time?
 • Spurs vs Timberwolves playoff breakdown
 • Stephon Castle’s foul trouble concerns
 • Why the Spurs are still “learning to win”
 • De’Aaron Fox contract and production debate
 • Kawhi Leonard comparisons and Spurs culture
 • NBA playoff predictions and reactions
 • Why the NBA feels “soft” today
 • Devin Vassell’s future with the Spurs

🧠 What you'll learn:
 • Why Spurs fans are still optimistic about the future
 • How playoff experience changes young teams
 • The importance of pecking order and leadership in basketball
 • Why Wemby’s evolution could change the league
 • How roster construction impacts championship windows
 • The difference between talented teams and disciplined teams

⏱️ CHAPTERS / TIMESTAMPS
 00:00 NBA Playoff Chaos Begins
 00:26 Jokic Top 5 Center Debate
 01:41 Is Wemby Already Elite?
 02:16 Spurs “Learn Then Win” Mentality
 03:21 Timberwolves vs Spurs Breakdown
 04:46 De’Aaron Fox Contract Debate
 06:16 Stephon Castle Foul Trouble
 07:24 Coaching Young Players
 08:08 DeJounte Murray Comparisons
 10:36 Why Quiet Competitors Matter
 11:15 Kawhi Leonard & Spurs Culture
 12:16 Spurs Pecking Order Debate
 13:23 NBA Playoff Predictions
 14:46 Timberwolves Matchup Concerns
 15:52 Devin Vassell & Spurs Future
 17:03 Spurs Roster Changes Coming?
 18:52 Small Ball vs Size Debate
 19:56 How Teams Attack Wemby
 21:06 Are the Spurs Better Than Minnesota?
 22:08 Final Thoughts on the Series

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

So are y'all even keeping track of the Easter now?

SPEAKER_03 0:02

Medium's not even good. So fuck y'all. Wait, what? Joel M B got hurt. Maxy's playing his dick off. I'm not a who is it? Who are they playing right now? The Knicks. The Knicks. The Knicks are gonna come up with the game. The Knicks. Man, I can't I still can't stand Zesty Cat, but that's the new league. That's how you know the league's terrible, bro. One of the top when one of the top five or top ten big men in the league is Zesty Cat. Zesty Cat.

SPEAKER_02 0:26

That's Jaffa.

SPEAKER_03 0:27

Like he gets fouled. He's like, uh Okay.

SPEAKER_02 0:30

All right.

SPEAKER_03 0:31

Come on, Raf.

SPEAKER_02 0:32

Okay, let's do that. Let's do that then. Because I've been saying a lot of uh I hate him, dude. I can't say that Joker, Joker slander, especially since he got smacked right now in the first round. So is he like top five uh fucking centers of all time or nah?

SPEAKER_03 0:45

I don't think Joker would translate as well into the into the league back in the day as he does now. I don't think so. Wait a minute.

SPEAKER_02 0:52

We're not using the Drew Fuentes, the skilled skilled big man, and he could do everything that nobody else can do with all of that.

SPEAKER_03 0:58

Dude, the thing is the crazy stuff like that. His release is kind of gangster, bro.

SPEAKER_00 1:01

Like, I don't know if anybody would have. He's a finesse center. Yeah, yeah. Back then it wouldn't work.

SPEAKER_02 1:06

So is he top five center of all time or nah?

SPEAKER_03 1:08

Uh top ten. Top ten.

SPEAKER_00 1:10

Who's your top five?

SPEAKER_03 1:11

He's cold. Shaq Hakeem. Kareem was a center, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:16

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 1:17

Kareem was a center.

SPEAKER_03 1:19

Right? Seven foot seven. Uh Yao Ming. I don't know. Greg Odin. Um shit, man. No, people don't give Patrick Ewing as much love as she deserves. But I'm not sure what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_02 1:31

Patrick Ewing ain't better than David Robinson. I said you're not.

SPEAKER_01 1:33

I was about to say David Robinson was close.

SPEAKER_00 1:36

Who? Top eight. Who? Who you a fucking owl?

unknown 1:39

Who?

SPEAKER_02 1:41

Yeah?

SPEAKER_00 1:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:43

Is Wimby a center? Wemby is a true center. Wemby will be. Um you already put Wimby in the top five? I just, I just, you know my gripe with Wemby, man. Like he needs to work on his balance. He needs to work on his shot on his shot selection. He just does too much and he's falling all over the place. He's young, man. But he's gonna get stronger, he'll get better balance. He keeps working with Hakeem.

SPEAKER_00 2:07

Well he said that game one. Uh I did. It's like it's like no Wemby did.

SPEAKER_02 2:12

What?

SPEAKER_03 2:12

Yeah, because you know why? Because I'm right. He's right.

SPEAKER_02 2:16

Uh yeah, so I I heard a good take on the Spurs saying that we learn and then we win. We learn, we win. We learn, win. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03 2:25

Part of being young, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:26

Yeah, man. And I think that uh, you know, we saw the way that the Timberwolves are gonna play us and they they hit us in the mouth, right? At the same time, too, we had six days off of rest, and we didn't know what to expect. Now that we saw what they're gonna do and what they're kind of trying to do, it ain't it ain't gonna be.

SPEAKER_01 2:44

Real quick, I still got uh Spurs 4-2. Just just uh so I asked you um before the playoffs started Will it hurt the Spurs if they're gonna have a lot of rest versus not having so much rest and they're in rhythm.

SPEAKER_00 3:02

It it's a coin flip.

SPEAKER_02 3:02

I don't think I don't think it hurt them.

SPEAKER_00 3:03

It's it's a coin flip, and it obviously did hurt us. I think you hurt them. I think you think the rest hurt y'all? The rest? Well, yeah, I think it did. I don't think because we're a young team.

SPEAKER_03 3:11

I'm just stealing shit because we're now if we were seasoned veterans, but you guys are um everyone is a seasoned veteran, dude. Everybody, seasoned veteran.

SPEAKER_02 3:21

Dude, you should have seasoned veteran. You should have heard uh Colin Coward's take on us. He's talking shit. Colin Coward's always talking shit. Bro, speaking of seasoned veterans, what he was saying about the Timberwolves is he was just uh like the Timberwolves, they're seasoned, they're uh they're veterans, they play when they want to play.

SPEAKER_01 3:41

You know what the bad thing about it, man?

SPEAKER_03 3:42

When they want to play, that's when they win. Nas Reed is kind of like that, man. I like Nas a lot, but he shit the bed.

SPEAKER_02 3:49

Don't give me last year, not not you, but I'm gonna. Was it last year? Don't give me that shit.

SPEAKER_03 3:53

But was it last year though, man? Whenever Nas Reed in the like it was the finals, I think, right? Or the the quarterfinals, and he just disappeared. Remember, he went full fucking like you remember Harper? Who is it? No, he yeah, he went full Harper. No, uh, what's his name? Uh that came from the Knicks, Julius Randle. Remember when little David though he was on his team? I'm like, bro, you guys are better without him. And they were better without him because Julius would do the same thing. Julius was so aggressive and so strong and such a good shooter, and he would take such poor fucking shots, sure, and then he would just be and then just give up. Nas Reed doesn't, he's not a little bitch like that, right? He doesn't sit there and whatever. But Nas like will get into a funk and then he just just zones the fuck out. He'll miss two or three shots and then not take a shot at all. And then on defense, it's just like fucking lost. He's like, like he gets frazzled, and he's such a good player. He's a very, very, very good player, but he gets he shits the bed, man. That's why whenever you guys were wanting to pick him up, you remember I told you I was like, fuck him, he's not that good.

SPEAKER_02 4:46

Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_03 4:47

For as much as you were gonna pay him, just wasn't that good. I don't know. It's the same way we're gonna give you giving Fox shit because my buddies and he's right, it's expensive, it's an expensive point guard to have somebody that's not gonna play at a high level all the time.

SPEAKER_00 4:59

Yeah, it's expensive, though, no? Well, everybody is that, man. My argument I was telling Drew is if if you have two younger guys who could play almost potential, almost two stat-wise only, stat-wise only.

SPEAKER_03 5:13

No, but that's not the thing. That's Matt Matt said, and Matt's not wrong about that, right? Because we watch games and we watch enough games where we could sit there, just again when I give LeBron shit, right? I'm like, he's so look, whatever.

SPEAKER_00 5:22

We're paying Castle and and Harper at least half of what we're paying Fox.

SPEAKER_03 5:26

So my my problem again with Castle is he's making when he's not on if he's not on the court because he keeps doing stupid shit and Fox that much money for getting no forgetting the production that we're getting.

SPEAKER_01 5:36

Yeah, the same production. Correct.

SPEAKER_03 5:37

That's but that's always gonna be the case with these expensive guys. It's always gonna be where you have a couple other dudes, and it happens all the time. It does. Well, why but my big thing again with Castle is again, he's making a lot of bonehead fucking shit and getting very emotional and getting into trouble. He's you can't foul out that many fucking times in the playoffs, dog. You can't, right? Because then it just dictates it again. How many times to X is to X is uh it's two or three times already. You can't do and run your offense or defense the way that you want to when there's there's certain guys that are out. And if he's he's significant in the focal point of your team, that if you have to worry about him and be in foul trouble or him being out, you're fucked. Not all the way through, but it's gonna be difficult.

SPEAKER_02 6:16

Well, it's gonna be it hasn't become a problem, but it can be. It will be, yeah, it will become a problem.

SPEAKER_00 6:20

It became a problem game one. I think if he didn't foul out, we would have had a better opportunity winning. What do you follow out with five minutes left?

SPEAKER_03 6:26

Yeah, I mean that's still something though. That's but here's the thing, right? It doesn't matter how much time it doesn't matter how much time's left when you foul out. Imagine it matters to where he can't play the way he's supposed to play and be physical or do the things that he wants to because he's worried about oh, oh, oh, I don't want to foul, I don't want to do anywhere. He's not sure. But that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_00 6:43

That's why he's fouling out.

SPEAKER_03 6:44

Yeah, but but it dictates that shit. It does like you can't tell me that he just kept playing the same defense and aggressive as fuck, like he usually would. Yes, yeah, he didn't.

SPEAKER_02 6:51

That's why he found out.

SPEAKER_03 6:52

Who was doing that? Zesty Kat was doing that the other day, too. He was just uh oh.

SPEAKER_00 6:56

Now, I think he needs to do that so he doesn't fall out. Correct. But from the beginning, though, man, just do it from the beginning. At the same time, though, it I agree with you. He falls out, it's gonna change the whole game plan. It's the regiment.

SPEAKER_02 7:09

And and here comes like the whole thing. Like I said, you know, when these kids are kids, man, we're playing with house money, he's a sophomore, and it's like you still don't kind of you don't you still don't don't yank the leash on him really because but do you or don't you?

SPEAKER_03 7:24

As a coach as a coach, do you not pull him out and sit him down for a while?

SPEAKER_02 7:27

I don't know about pulling him valuable to your team. Yes, but I'm saying, man, you kind of just don't stop like like the way that the analogy that Greg Popovich used for Ginobli, he's a Mustang, you gotta just let him go, bro.

SPEAKER_03 7:39

Now I think the mistake, not that young.

SPEAKER_00 7:41

I think you can pull him out and then and and so hey, I'm gonna pull you out if if you don't chill out. I think it I think it does something for like a minute or two. I think it does something to those kids.

SPEAKER_03 7:50

It does something to those kids that when you pull them out, they're like fucking get me back in type shit, right? They want to go back in there. They're they're fucking chingando, they want to be back in. You did too. Even when I played if I was in foul trouble. I'm like, get me fucking back in. I want to get back in. Let's get back in. Let's get back in. It could go both.

SPEAKER_00 8:04

I wouldn't just say young kids, yes, but I would just say a competitor. It's a competitor.

SPEAKER_02 8:08

Your boy, yeah. Your boy, the uh your lord and savior, DeJounte. Does he did he take well to that? Hell to being sat down, yeah. On the fucking end of the bench, and that's what could happen too, bro. Um, that's what could happen too. If you don't, if they're not playing the way that you want, like, or the way that you're envisioned, the way that you would we're supposed to play in this team, and you get off with Dow. I think we got to get out like a white.

SPEAKER_00 8:33

I think we had a real good group of kids to where they won't be like Murray. Murray's I don't think so. Murray's mindset and Castle's mind, I see him as totally different. Oh, yeah, of course.

SPEAKER_03 8:40

Yeah, but Murray was different though, man. Castle, you can't do that. Murray was a fucking four or five-year guy that had already gone through and got hurt and had to come back like that kid. That yeah, but that kid fucking had to that's what people don't understand, man. Like when he busted his shit and he got hurt, he came back and he played very fucking well when he came back. You know what I mean? So, as far as again, that's a four or five year guy that you had at that time that had gone through shit. Like, had I mean, again, yeah, you've been hurt before, right? You dude, it's frustrating, man. This is the pro thing. And you want to get back.

SPEAKER_02 9:06

Cool. So what do you what's the argument then? It's not personal, it's just hey man, if if you're if you're not producing the way that we want you to, you're you're that's it, you're gonna sit.

SPEAKER_00 9:16

I'm I'm just saying the aspect of how they think. No matter if Murray was in the league already for five, six years, whatever, got hurt, they they're just different. They're both competitors, they both want to be in the game, but Murray, you'll see in his face more and more.

SPEAKER_03 9:30

Yeah, well, Murray Murray was more of an emotional kid. He was more of an emotional kid that would sit there and pout and throw a tantrum and shit like that, right? Which is wasn't fun. I hate I did not like that about him, right? Shit, that happened to Nick one time, man. Nick was threw a fucking was, you know, and he was just, but Nick's a good kid, you know, whatever. Um, and it took a little talking to him and he snapped out of it. My dad trying to yell at him, I'm like, dude, that doesn't work. Quit that shit. You know what I mean? I go talk to my brother and he calms down. Next game come over. My dad actually, one of the first times ever that I had my dad like call me and be like, Good job. Like, that was cool. Like up, I was wrong basically. My dad doesn't watch the podcast, so we can't confirm that that he said he was wrong. But but, anyways, yeah, Murray. Wait a minute. Murray, is that where it stems from? What is that where it stems from? You don't admit he's wrong. Oh, I'm I'm I'm just I'm doing it with you because you're a shithead. How many times have you been wrong in your life? Matt's never been wrong ever. I don't think Matt. You see what I was about to do? Well Matt has like two L's like in his in his house that he put up. There's the only two L's he's ever taken in his life. And you know why I was wrong? They got his gender wrong when he was a baby, and that was up there with the L he can see.

SPEAKER_02 10:27

And and you and you know why I was wrong? Because I didn't have all information. And once I had all the information, then I could make an accurate decision on it. So, anyways, back to Murray.

SPEAKER_03 10:36

I like Castle because and he knows, I like those guys that just shut the fuck up. Like Timmy didn't talk shit, shut the fuck up, didn't say anything, right? Joker for a short period of time didn't say shit, would just play and just was hooping. Now he's becoming a little crybaby fucking like everybody else. See what Luca was fucking the crybaby. Anyway, he's not the example, but I like those kids that just shut the fuck up and play. And going Castle does that. Going back. I just don't want him to get to that point where he's getting to you, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 11:00

Well, I think they do a good job is transferring it to their playing versus talking to you.

SPEAKER_02 11:04

He's not getting Chief Lado, or he's not getting Maudi or anything like that.

SPEAKER_03 11:07

You know that, like you know, like Kawhi, like Kawhi was the best. He I can't even see you.

SPEAKER_00 11:15

Matt's favorite player, Matt's favorite player.

SPEAKER_02 11:17

That's that's a perfect example, right? Kawaii we went in the last game one. He just shut the fuck up and play, man. That was great. I love those guys. Well, yeah. I mean, if you if you do that, but would still want to stay with your team, not be plotting on the other side.

SPEAKER_03 11:27

Prime Kawaii, when you guys had prime kawaii, would you shut the fuck up and play? That's it. In simple, sure, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:33

You can't you hate him as much as you want because he was he was exactly too, but at the same time, too, where was he in the pecking order of the team? He was still, you know, fourth man on the team, and then at the same time, too, he couldn't go anywhere at that point. Once he got some leverage, now he got Chief Lado and is like, you know what? You think Kawhi was fourth man on the team? Hell yeah, hell yeah. Tim Duck and Manu Ginobi, Tony Parker, and then Kawhi.

SPEAKER_03 11:56

So Kawhi was a starter and he was still the fourth option behind Manu. Come on, stop it.

SPEAKER_02 12:01

Third, sorry, guys. Oh, see how he does that shit too? Okay, third. He was a sixth option on the team because two days from now, he'll be like, Taddy Mills and the Water Boy were there then. You know what I'm saying? That's what will happen.

SPEAKER_03 12:14

Water boy.

SPEAKER_02 12:16

I mean, like, so it in a sense of two like the pecking order, which takes me to my next point. You've said pecking order too many times, which we do not have. That's very audacious of you. It's and it and it's really kind of showing, you know what I'm saying? What that the ball doesn't go to Wemby first, Fox second, Fox uh uh castle third, Harper Fourth. What do you mean? We don't have a pecking order.

SPEAKER_03 12:39

Yes, you do. No one's everybody knows that everybody knows where that where that's supposed to go through. It's it's not how I mean again, depending on who you have. Oh, in theory, we have one. So yeah, whether it's one, but not in Wemby, Fox, Castle. That's your shit, right? Wemby, castle, fox. That's that's your pecking order. Plain and simple. Everybody else, if they get something, they get something. That's what it is right now. That's the way it's set up. KJ's not there. The the Vassell, man, Vassel's been shooting the fucking lights out, right? X? Has he not? Dude, I he's been hitting. I like he's been like if you look at his his shot chart and you look at the as far as what he's shooting percentage-wise for these last games from the last two series, first game, right? And then or first two games and then the last ones, if you watch the games, obviously, this kid is sitting there taking a couple dribbles and hit.

SPEAKER_00 13:23

Beautiful jump shots, man. Beautiful shots. I love it. It was beautiful. Okay, real quick. Pistons, calves. Pistons and calves? Who's coming out of it?

SPEAKER_03 13:32

Oh man, Pistons, Pistons.

SPEAKER_00 13:33

Okay, Knicks Sixers.

SPEAKER_03 13:35

Oh, fuck the Knicks, but Knicks.

SPEAKER_00 13:37

Okay, so next round is gonna be, I agree. Pistons, Knicks. Uh Wes, Thunder's Lakers. Rolling, Thunder? Yeah. Wolves, Spurs. Spurs. Spurs.

SPEAKER_03 13:50

Man, the Wolves are gonna I just think it's gonna be not as easy as everybody thought, man. Right? Everyone's trying to avoid those losing games or whatever, so they didn't have to play Denver or whatever, and then the Wolves pop up, and then the Wolves are hurt.

SPEAKER_00 14:04

I said it from the beginning. I told Matt. I told everybody whoever we play, because how they match up with us, it's gonna be a tough round, second round.

SPEAKER_03 14:12

Yeah, I think I said I said if you get if you can get past Denver, whoever this was, that you guys would be okay, which I still stand behind. But it's again like the the Wolves, as much as it this loss, which is so funny, right? Because I can't remember the last time that we saw so many blowouts in the playoffs. That's just kind of again an indicative of how weird this league is now, man, and how fucking soft and I the the refs have a lot of control over the stuff nowadays. They were trying to get them back in the game yesterday. Yeah, it's just weird, man. I don't like it. So I was like, even the Pitons, even the Pistons and the Magic was a was a funky one, dude.

SPEAKER_00 14:46

I wanted to play the Wolves. The what? The Wovs? The Wolves. Minnesota? I like the Wovs. I want to play Minnesota once Edwards got hurt and DiVincenzo. Who? Because on paper, it would it should have been.

SPEAKER_03 15:00

Do you think Di Vincenzo is that much of a marker to move?

SPEAKER_00 15:04

He's a good role player. He's a he's uh he's a KJ for them.

SPEAKER_03 15:08

I think he's more I think he's more than that. I think DiVincenzo's a better player than KJ. Yeah, better more of moving the needle for them. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:14

I think he moves the needle than King. He's a big shot guy.

SPEAKER_03 15:16

He's a he's a he's a three-point shooter. A three-point shooter, he's a good defender, he's a scrappy money. He is their like basil. He's their he's their Alex Caruso, but better. Yeah. Caruso is well then who is he on our team? Devin. I like Devin. I love Devin, man. I think Devin is fucking awesome. He's big. I think if you guys don't resign Devin because he's coming up on a contract, I think he's got two more years left on his shit. He signed a big bag back in the day. But if you guys don't pay him, he's gonna go somewhere else and he's gonna be fucking legit, legit. I think I think the guys that are he'll be he'll be a 20, a 22, 23 point of game score.

SPEAKER_00 15:52

Starting. I think the only significant guy or the guy that's a role player with the Spurs, his contracts up, is it's hard to tell. Depends where he went. Barnes. Barnes just shit the bed, man. He's just old dog. That's all it is. Well, I'm saying I think he's the only person who has any role that the Spurs were that his contract's up.

SPEAKER_02 16:08

Yeah, unfortunately, man, I think this is uh this is the end of the road for old uh Mr. 100%. Although we've got whenever we do make those changes, is you're uh you're talking about Johnny, like how you're saying, are we gonna get better by like you know, minusing uh people to add people? I try to do it without laughing with the big voice. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Oh see, this I have to fucking deal with dog to the end on a daily basis. To the end of the round, on a daily basis, so yeah, what uh part of that shuffling around and um us uh clearing space, yeah, it's probably gonna have to be uh you guys got money though, man.

SPEAKER_03 16:49

You have enough money. So Harrison Barnes got money.

SPEAKER_00 16:53

Harrison Barnes, he's the only one who actually gets some type of minutes whose contract's up after this year. Is he the only one, really? No, there's other there's other players, but they're I'm talking about minute-wise. They actually get playing time.

SPEAKER_02 17:03

He's just uh losing um I mean, he's old man, so that it just sucks. I think that the game's just getting a little too fast for him, especially the pace that we play. As a matter of fact, I think we went on a like I think we uh beat him in fast break points like 25 to 9 or something like that.

SPEAKER_00 17:16

Do you see how many big men do we had at the end of the game? Spurs. Do you see how many big men we had at the end of the game? This last game?

SPEAKER_02 17:22

Yeah, we had uh the one that did the drum at the end. What's his name?

SPEAKER_03 17:25

Um and then we had Kylie Olenik.

SPEAKER_02 17:32

Olinik. Olenic is.

SPEAKER_03 17:33

Yeah, but those guys, those guys are gonna get on veteran minimum as now. Like you'll get you'll be able to keep them on veteran minimum, but I just don't know what as far as Luke Cornette, Luke Cornette, I'd like for you to keep. Yes. We need to get it. Kelly Olenik just doesn't have enough, he's not getting enough PT.

SPEAKER_00 17:45

What I'm trying to say is we need to drop at least one of them.

SPEAKER_03 17:47

Plumley. You can drop Mason, Mason Plumley would be one you can drop. He's not playing at all. That's a dookie.

SPEAKER_02 17:52

I know I kept that saying, Johnny, he ain't gonna play. He played. He probably won't. Everybody was all pissed out because I was like, he ain't gonna fucking play. Who cares? Nah, man, but Mason's good. Mason's like uh he's old, he's my age, no?

SPEAKER_03 18:06

Like 37? No, he's a little bit younger. He's a little bit younger. Who's that? But again, it's just a matter of PT and like what you guys are trying to surround these guys with. You know what I mean? No, Mason. I've always believed that you guys need more, more bleming's 36. Rebounds. There you go. My age. I don't know. More rebounds. You guys need guys that are just willing to sit there like Luke.

SPEAKER_02 18:24

No, Luke Cornette's grabbing some rebounds out the air, baby. Yeah, but the thing is with him, like he blocked that board.

SPEAKER_03 18:30

That's your three that's your three-point shooter, though, man. Like, he's in the perimeter, man. You can't have your three-point shooter out there banging in the it's like having what's his name? Uh crash, dog? What's his name? Not Luke Cornette. Yeah, like Luke Cornette. Like how Luke Cornette go grab boards.

SPEAKER_00 18:41

You didn't even see that yesterday when he blocked that man. You didn't see this. Because he put himself in a position to get hurt. He's been more confident.

SPEAKER_03 18:46

He's been playing more confident. Who's that?

SPEAKER_00 18:48

Luke Champagne.

SPEAKER_02 18:49

Champagne, Champagne. Champagne, Champagne, Poppy?

SPEAKER_03 18:52

Champagne.

SPEAKER_02 18:53

Um so so there's there's a way that you could get boards like that, though, Drew, if you have the scheme to do it. So like if you're playing, if you're playing um small ball like that, it's like um uh three people like kind of like block out in a certain kind of like triangle ish way while the other two rush in tip it over in the game. So while the other two kind of rush in, right? It's it's like we're gonna play that small ball style. This is the thing that was that was um kind of frustrating me about game one is that their size was showing on us and they were just wearing on their length and size, man.

SPEAKER_03 19:23

They're just some big, long, big, long dudes.

SPEAKER_02 19:26

We weren't we weren't playing to our advantage. What we kept on trying to do is we kept on trying to like attack their defense that was already set. You see what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03 19:34

But that's what we were talking about. Remember, I said they're they're gonna want to get up and down just the way they're trying to do with Wendy because they don't want him to get set, they're just trying to run and gun with you at the same time though, they're just trying to get up and down and let's get going so he doesn't get a chance to get down there. But do you think they want to run and gun with us? Shit, it's not that they want to, they have to. There's no other choice, dog. I guess you can't just sit there and go, cool, set up the set up the offense, and then Wendy's just sitting there, oh, I guess.

SPEAKER_02 19:56

Yeah, you're right. I mean, but it's funny though, because you could play one game like that if you want to, and then it's all about the adjustments. You see what I'm saying? No, yeah. You don't have to do that. You're not wrong at all. You're not wrong at all.

SPEAKER_03 20:06

But again, nine times out of ten with the guys that are gonna be playing against you guys, is it's a run and gun, exhaust the bench, get everybody off the bench that we can, use up the fouls, keep digging at Wemby, keep going at him like Portland was trying to just, and then um uh Minnesota was trying to do the same thing too. They're just digging at his chest. They didn't care they were getting that they were getting blocked, they're just getting blocked, but then they're trying to just get so he had to recover and he's gotta keep trying to do too much. And even Wemby said he's like, I did a I did too much on one end.

SPEAKER_00 20:30

He played third. He said it himself. That's what that the I think they said. Right X, didn't he say that in the interview? Fourth most minutes he's played, something like that.

SPEAKER_03 20:36

Right X, he said in the interview, he's like, Man, he's like, I I did a lot on the other end. He's like, I did too much, and it wasn't enough for me on the on the well.

SPEAKER_00 20:42

Megan said what you said. He's he's the tallest guy. We're gonna get blocked, we're gonna get blocked. It just happened, it's gonna happen.

SPEAKER_03 20:47

Yeah, just keep going, keep digging at him. It's gonna wear him down, Doc. I mean, again, I I'm wearing you down, baby. I'm wearing you down, baby. But again, it's it's just these coaches, like you're gonna try to figure it out. You know what I mean? That's you have to be physical. That's the one of the things, again, besides balance and poor shot selections that I don't like, but it's not that I don't like that, it's just this is what he is. He's just a young guy.

SPEAKER_02 21:06

I think they're trying to out a young lightweight guy. I think they're they're out, they're trying to out scheme a better team. We're a better team than what they are. Absolutely. At the end of the day, you see what I'm saying? Yeah, I mean, not saying that it's like, oh, there's no, there's no hope, but it's like uh yeah, but it's it's um we shoot better, we're faster, I think we defend better. Um you think so? We think we have a better defending. Oh, yeah, and we have a better X Factor as well, which is I think you're pretty even.

SPEAKER_03 21:32

I think the guys on your team are very I think their guys are very aggressive too.

SPEAKER_00 21:35

I think it's the split we want to play. I think we play. That's where we want to play.

SPEAKER_03 21:40

So they're like, hey guys, it's halftime. Uh we're gonna play. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:43

And and and we and they match up well. Can we get pizza afterwards? We're overall better. I think we're an A team and they're a B team. They're not a B team like they're scrappas, but it's just like the caliber.

SPEAKER_03 21:53

No, I mean, if again, if Di Vincenzo was playing right now, I think they'd be closer to like a B plus. I think you guys are in A.

SPEAKER_00 21:58

If Di Vincenzo was playing and then And um I don't want to say a hundred percent 'cause who's a hundred percent not right now this far along in the season, but if Edwards was Edwards is still not hundred percent.

SPEAKER_03 22:08

He's not a hundred percent. Even he said it himself.