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The guys are back for another unfiltered basketball conversation as they break down the Spurs' Game 1 loss, debate Victor Wembanyama's role in the offense, discuss Dylan Harper's rapid rise, and analyze what needs to change moving forward. From coaching decisions to shot selection, playoff pressure, and some classic sports arguments, this episode is packed with passionate NBA talk and plenty of laughs.

🎙️ In this episode:

• Spurs vs Knicks Game 1 breakdown
• Why Wembanyama needs to play closer to the basket
• Dylan Harper's breakout playoff performance
• Coaching decisions that changed the game
• Fox, Castle, and the Spurs' offensive struggles
• The debate over modern NBA three-point shooting
• Why rebounding continues to be a major issue
• Jalen Brunson's impact on the series
• Spurs playoff adjustments moving forward
• Ranking today's best NBA point guards

🧠 What you'll learn:

• Why playoff basketball is different from the regular season
• How rebounding can determine championship outcomes
• The importance of in-game adjustments
• Why spacing and offensive discipline matter
• How young players handle playoff pressure
• What separates great NBA coaches from average ones
• How NBA offenses are built around star players
• Why shot selection is critical in close games

⏱️ CHAPTERS / TIMESTAMPS

00:00 Intro & Mondo/Retro Goods Shoutout
01:00 Spurs Game 1 Reactions
03:30 Wembanyama's Shot Selection Debate
07:10 Should Wemby Play Closer To The Basket?
09:20 Who Deserves The Blame?
10:30 Dylan Harper's Impact
12:00 How To Defend Jalen Brunson
15:00 The Spurs Three-Point Shooting Debate
18:00 Is Dylan Harper Already Elite?
22:00 Why The Spurs Still Have A Chance
24:00 Karl-Anthony Towns Discussion
27:00 Fox's Role In The Offense
30:00 Knicks Bench vs Spurs Bench
32:30 Getting To The Free Throw Line
35:00 Spurs Offensive Problems
38:00 Final Thoughts & Adjustments

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SPEAKER_04

I don't even know what you're doing. Today, man. Real quick, shout out to my boy Mondo at Retro Goods. Hooked me up with this fly shirt right here. Look. What is that? Like a youth medium?

SPEAKER_05

A youth medium.

SPEAKER_04

Okay. So he's one of the most talented uh artists in San Antonio. His merch sells out in 30 minutes tops. He's gonna drop something new, I think, for the finals. And I'm gonna put his stuff in the description, so keep an eye out for that. Back by popular uh demand, my boy, Johnny Skies, Guzman the third. Ski Zing. And everybody's favorite person to hate. Drew. Drew the ski. Yeah, you're waiting for me to say something. There you go. There you go. All right, fellas. Okay, we're down 0-1 right now in the finals, but I'm not as scared as you would think. I'm not as timid as you might think because there's a lot of stuff for us to clean up. Let me get y'all's take on uh game one. Go for it, General.

SPEAKER_03

You just want to go into like completely just shitting on people right now immediately? Nah, I'm not nervous at all. Okay, get your take on day one.

SPEAKER_00

I was never nervous. I thought it was a shitty game. They played a terrible game. Um as a group. There was some individual good play, but as a group, it was an ugly game.

SPEAKER_04

So what would you what letter grade would you give the Spurs?

SPEAKER_00

I mean, they they lost, so they got enough.

SPEAKER_03

They lost. Not even uh lucky for effort? No? That'sn't a bad game. I mean, you guys didn't, it just Brunson turned it on at the fucking right time, like he always does. It's weird. So that's one of the few guys that can literally just fucking be chilling, kicking it all of a sudden, and then yeah, oh, you need 15.

SPEAKER_00

I always felt Brunson was gonna do his thing. So if Brunson's always gonna do his thing, or he has a lot of chance, he's it's gonna be rare that he's not gonna have a good game. So you have to be on your P's and Q's all the time. The Spurs cannot make mistakes with playing a Brunson.

SPEAKER_04

I'm yeah, well, I'm glad you said that because I'm never gonna, well, I'm not never, but what the Spurs don't have a problem with is their effort, right? But execution is what it is. That's what give us gives us the lower letter grades. You know what I'm saying? Fox didn't have a good game.

SPEAKER_03

Execution of what? Execution of what? What do you mean execution?

SPEAKER_04

Of like game plan, uh like and also turning over the ball and knowing what's gonna be.

SPEAKER_03

Wemby had the most turnovers too much effort for Wimby.

SPEAKER_04

Wimby didn't have a good game, and Fox didn't have a good game.

SPEAKER_03

Too much effort, the wrong type of effort. Isn't that hard to say when you're saying Wemby didn't have a good game when he had a double double? Like you see, he's I knew he was gonna go to the points. I knew he was gonna go to the points. Because here's the thing, right? Because again, like my point with what happened at the end and how you guys fucked up at the end was bad turnovers. They were guy fucking Josh Hart had like fucking 16 fucking boards, yeah, and he had some clutch-ass boards, and again, but that's still, I mean, the way you win the game is by fucking Wimby had a double double.

SPEAKER_00

When we had what, 26 points?

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, he took the poor.

SPEAKER_00

Did you know he had shots without looking too fast?

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, no, but I didn't. I didn't I really didn't. I saw the thing is I saw more so was him struggling, which again, I hate fucking cat, but he was struggling with cat for some reason. Like he was just he was taking shots that he typically wouldn't take. Shots that he should be able to make, and they weren't bad shots, just the same way like I protect Fox all the time. He's getting to the bucket, they just weren't going in. Like that's right. The name of the game is get the ball on the bucket. But I mean, Wemby's taking these jumpers and they're just they're rimming out. Boom, boom, boom. Fox is taking these little middies and stuff that he usually makes, and they're literally dribbling in the in the bucket and falling out. So is it completely their fault? I mean, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Are you more on the missed shots or more on the turnovers? I'm more on the turnovers.

SPEAKER_03

I'm more on the stupid turnovers and the fact that you guys you out rebounded these guys, but they got rebounds at the right time. Yeah, like fucking insane.

SPEAKER_04

And six turnovers are come on, dog. I'm more about and you know what you keep on saying in the group chat too. Why are we shooting so many threes? You shot 67, almost 70 the other day.

SPEAKER_03

See, bro, dude, and you're not a three-point shooting team.

SPEAKER_04

I and I remember when Wimby was getting in the league or his first two seasons. I would always tell this dude, he needs to get on the block. He needs to get on the block. Go say it, go, say it.

SPEAKER_03

He's he said himself, I don't want to be a post player. And Matt's all he needs to get on the block. He doesn't, I don't think Wimby needs to be a postman. He needs to have a post player. Just the same way he said that Lamarcus needs to be a back to the basket guy. You're saying Wemby needs to be a back to the basket guy. He's never, ever, everybody. So, what is being the paint then? What the fuck are you talking about?

SPEAKER_04

So even if you get it on the elbow or on the block, you could turn and face, like the way Tim Duncan does. Like what you're asking him to do. You want him to do to be no, no, you said that I want him to do that.

SPEAKER_00

What I want him to do is I want him to get some dirt. Not one dimensional, though. That's the thing.

SPEAKER_03

The problem is if you guys had people that could grab fucking rebounds, because your second best rebounder on the fucking team is Julian Champagne. He had 10 boards last night, but across the board all season, he's been your second best rebounder. But how do you expect that guy? You guys are traditionally an undersized team. Yeah. You guys traditionally are an undersized team. I mean, the way you match up with the Knicks is kind of fair, but that you're an undersized team. Like you guys are 6'5, 6'6, 6'6, 6'3, and then 7'4. Are we undersized? For yeah, for NBA standards, yeah. You got places that guys got guys 6'9, 6'10, 6'11 dudes that are stretch guys. You know what I mean? You guys don't have you guys Doctor for lack of effort at all. You shoot so many fucking threes and have nobody get these fucking rebounds. And that's what drives me, that's what drives me nuts. When fucking Josh Hart is out there fucking killing you motherfuckers on the board, and he's what, 6'5? How is he killing on the board when he's short? Six, who knows? Effort. Well, no, yeah, effort. And that's what I just said right now. Not for lack of effort, right? Not for lack of effort. That's what we make up for. But when you've got everybody, my problem, and I'm yelling at you guys, right? Even in the in the in the group chat, I'm like, bro, they're standing around. They're just standing there, shooting threes right, handed out, and just going.

SPEAKER_00

Well, I was mentioning. I was thinking they crash.

SPEAKER_03

Steph is the only one who crashes the board.

SPEAKER_00

He's your three-point shooter. He's your three-point shooter. Poor guy. A lot of guards will get rebounds because the guy that guarded them is running for the snowboard press.

SPEAKER_03

They are long rebounds. And again, my big and again, so I'm not I'm not wrong. I know I'm not wrong. At the fact that you guys are a horrible fucking rebounding team. Horrible. You guys get killed on the fucking boards with fucking, I think, Portland, too. Yeah, Portland was fucking killing the board.

SPEAKER_00

I don't know if I know Minnesota did. Minnesota, fuck. Minnesota did. Shh. I can't.

SPEAKER_03

Nas Reed and those and and Julius were fucking just and again, man.

SPEAKER_00

And it's but at the even at that, it wasn't like by a big margin.

SPEAKER_03

No, no, no, no. And again, but that's that's where I told Matt moving the needle, peel back the threes a little bit, get to the bucket, get these guys in fucking foul trouble because you're you're getting whistles. You can hit well, you can't hit free throws. So do you want Wemby on the perimeter or not? I want Wemby. I want Wemby taking jumpers. I think our free throws are pretty good. I want take I want Wemby coming and pulling up and tape taking jumpers. Give me a little a little elbow, a little turnaround, a little something. Give me some dipsy do. No, no, no, no. Getting them completely in the paint, man. I mean, again, if you're running that, if you're running that pick and roll where you're lobbing it to him and you're running a low pick and roll, which is weird. I've never seen anybody get that low and have somebody and then you know, but he can because he's got this big. Yeah, because it's I mean, he could reach across his table and he's touching the the basket at the same time.

SPEAKER_04

Well, I think the moral of the story there is that we need to get him closer to the basket. Yes, absolutely. Bro, he can be shaking and baking outside and drop dribbling it off his foot, but you and I see we're it's been happening with his whole thing.

SPEAKER_00

I don't need him to be a post player, I don't need him to be a Shaq, I don't need to be of David uh Keematic. I said I need him to be close to the block. And at 7-4, 7-5, how hard would it be just to do a little fucking hookshot right there?

SPEAKER_03

This is what I haven't developed that yet, though.

SPEAKER_00

Like how can he develop the Kareem hookshot? This is this is what I think. And it doesn't even have to be necessary like Kareem, like he's so tall.

SPEAKER_04

You know what I mean? This is my theory on it. You ready? I think that the Spurs want him to play that way, everybody wants him to play that way, he doesn't want to play that way, and we don't want to play that way, and we don't want to piss him off because if we don't let him do what he wants to do, then he's gonna be like, oh, these dudes are shackling like they were superstar. Exactly, and that's where you have that that fine line. That's where you need a pop to be like, get your ass down there.

SPEAKER_03

So here's the thing. Well, yeah, and that's the thing, get your ass down there, right? Piss somebody off. But that's and the the sad thing about the sad thing about it is that he's good, he's good at uh being the perimeter person that he is. And the thing I'm going back to again is he's your best rebounder, but your best rebounder or your second best rebounder want to shoot threes. That's the tough part, right? So it's either you're gonna get rid of champagne, you're gonna get rid of uh some other guy, somebody that you can get to get a banger in the boards, right? Just like Jordan did. It's hey, we need somebody to get rebounds, they went and guy Rodman. You know what I mean? That's what they went and did. Oh I can't hear you. Make sure that's on, yeah, because I don't want you saying stuff and then we can't hear it. Yeah, don't let it happen again. Ever. You sound like are you is he supposed to be able to hear you? Yeah, no, I can't hear you. They built a wall around Xavier, a beautiful wall. A micro.

SPEAKER_00

So when they're not making so like in the beginning of this game, they were making threes, right? They're they had they were doing good at three pointers. Now, when when the threes are not falling, that's when they need to learn how to change the A. You know what? Let's get down the paint, let's stop shooting, let's get to your feet to the line. It's it's the thing that's the thing, yeah.

SPEAKER_04

This is what you thousands of. Okay, so so I'm gonna give you a trick question right here. Out of everybody's fault, whose was it?

SPEAKER_00

Collectively, I think it's everybody's fault. Collectively.

SPEAKER_03

I don't think I don't think basketball can ever be just one person's fault. Oh, sure, okay.

SPEAKER_00

But I always I always go to I always go to who's the chief, who's who's who's the who's the boss, and it's the coach. Hey, so let's do this. Why don't we do this?

SPEAKER_03

Why don't we do this, right? Let's run, let's run through, run through whose fault it is and let's do the faults of everybody that that's had issues, right?

SPEAKER_04

Okay, not necessarily fault, but like who gets the majority of the blame, I should say. Mitch. Mitch. Game one, game one. You know what?

SPEAKER_03

He's gonna love this, he's gonna love this, right? Mitch, because you should have just left Harper in there a little bit longer to sit there and let him do that. Bro, three minutes, not even uh that's on the fourth quarter. It's it's not even a I don't know if he was nervous or what, bro. Which again, these kids haven't installed that they've instilled confidence into it because they are not freaking out. Castle doesn't freak out too much. Well, he does in fucking turnovers, yeah. But Harper hasn't freaked out a lot, and and KJ's playing decently. But again, like you're still nervous because these guys are still young. Like, imagine being a young coachman that's got a bunch of young studs, and you've got to be able to sit there and let the leash off of a root. That kind of goes back to what I was saying.

SPEAKER_00

The talk was saying though they're young, they might not make it up far because they're young, blah blah. But I also said, well, that could make them dangerous because of they don't know. You're wrong. You're not wrong. I don't know anybody.

SPEAKER_03

I get well, it's right. Right when we when we first started selling, like, I was just too stupid enough to I didn't know anything. I was just dumb not knowing. I'm like, you want about a house? You're better off that way.

SPEAKER_04

No, but it was life that has water in the door, look, it opens. No, but this is the thing, Drew. Like, obviously, if you see that Harper's going off and he's the best player on the court, literally, and you take him out four minutes left. Yeah, I know it was weird. It's a double four. That was you did. I exactly right. I counted it. I said, it was like three and a half four minutes. I said, look, he's leaving right now, and it doesn't say it's coming in. I because I was watching him play the whole time.

SPEAKER_03

And I don't know if it was maybe a defensive thing because he was having panicking because Brunson was starting to pop off. I mean, everybody. But he put Fox for Harper.

SPEAKER_00

What defensive thing is that?

SPEAKER_03

But everybody was. I mean, Fox plays decent. He pickpock as you go. He does a really good job of it.

SPEAKER_00

He's probably one of the quicker because he's not a better defender than Harper. Maybe physically, no, but he could pickpocket you.

SPEAKER_03

But here's the thing though, man, is that Brunson was fucking everybody up. That's true. You know what's funny is that Brunson was doing this, and nobody, not a lot of people were noticing. Brunson's sitting here, Doug, and he started calling people over, and they're bringing their guys. Like he wanted to be mismatched with Vitel a lot. He wanted to be mismatched with Vassel a lot. So he kept calling over and he was like moving people. And then Vassel ends up here. He's like, Come here, come here. And he was like, Fuck it, let's go. Whenever we're like and I love Devin Vassel, man, I think he's fucking great, man.

SPEAKER_04

Always getting, especially when Fox has the ball or Harper has the ball. Even Castle, I'm always looking for the mismatch. I'm always looking for the person to set them the screen so they could switch and then they could go to the back. Is that aggressive? Harper, though, dog, he could take anybody that looks like at any time.

SPEAKER_00

To me as a coach, Brunson was fucking everybody up, right? Okay, well, we're not we're not able to stop him. Why are we gonna make substitutions, defensive substitutions? Let's put the offensive player to do point for point. You know what you know what not's fucking everybody up?

SPEAKER_03

You know what not a lot of people have done to Brunson? Not a lot of people, to my recollection, have doubled him. I don't know if it's because he's too quick or not.

SPEAKER_04

Didn't I say that yesterday, X?

SPEAKER_03

But nobody was nobody was really nobody was really doubled him because again, the thing But they could shoot. So that's a problem though, right? Because you double them and you do somebody open. But I'd rather again, I'd rather die. I'd rather die with a 35% chance, which is a high percentage of shooting the three-point than the three-point five.

SPEAKER_00

They they did that in the past. And and that white boy that they did it they did it with the long hair, but they did it back and all that.

SPEAKER_03

But they did it now. Like, you know what I mean? Like they didn't shoot. I mean, I was looking at the three point line.

SPEAKER_00

Now they did it.

SPEAKER_03

They did it.

SPEAKER_00

This game they didn't, but they have done that.

SPEAKER_03

You have to be willing to you have to be willing to sit there and say, cool, fuck it. This guy, Brunson is your 60% from Brunson. He's gonna hit it. Let someone make three. So I'll say, you know what, Doc, I'll be willing to let that person that shoots 35% from the three-point line, I'll die on that fucking hill back.

SPEAKER_00

Just like they did with Caruso in.

SPEAKER_03

Which is fine, right? Caruso, but then did he do that again? And Caruso went off. Crusoe went off, but he didn't. He's still things like he did before.

SPEAKER_00

No, no, no.

SPEAKER_03

Nobody has name me somebody in the playoffs, period. I'm a group like that. No, yeah, for sure. But anybody in the playoffs that's gone hot like that, where they're just knocking out fucking 40% plus. He's not in the playoffs. You're not playing, you're not playing stuff curtain. Yeah, he's not in the playoffs. Yeah, no, you're not playing stuff curtain. Nobody just champagne, which again, that's what I'm saying. I'll be willing to sit there and let's just double it and see if it works. And if it doesn't, let's we'll roll something up. We did see Champagne. Like, you left me open. Like, you need that.

SPEAKER_00

We got away from penetrating as well because when Champagne was hitting the shit. You got away from what? Penetrating. Because when we were penetrating to the paint, they're they're additional champagne, and he was hitting those open threes. We got away from that.

SPEAKER_03

So another set of things that Wendy didn't give the ballot.

SPEAKER_00

And he takes five seconds off the shot clock trying to figure out do I want to dribble in? What do I want to shoot? What's been your most successful?

SPEAKER_03

What's been your most successful, your most successful games where you've got the biggest disparity in scoring out of your better players, which is Steph, Harper, and Wemby getting to the paint and getting in there and getting buckets. I like when they're doing the city. And then you're getting in people into five trouble, too, dude.

SPEAKER_00

I like when they do that 45.

SPEAKER_03

You guys aren't a three-point shooting team. That's the thing. You're not going to be able to do that.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I like when they do it 45. You have a decent champagne in the corner, you have Wemby and whoever's screened up top. Wemby dives to the bucket. So if they don't guard him, it's like a pick, it's like a pivot, right?

SPEAKER_03

So they put a guy at the top and then they give you your extended guides. You have one that's kind of like offset, right? Even it's that double, the double screen up top. The only thing I don't like about it, too, man, is again, like our coach, shout out to Coach Gonzales, right? Again, Weber State, and my coach Bobby Cruz from from back home in Laredo. Um, he's like, what are you watching? A movie? He's like, You're just watching a movie? Like you want to, like, I can get you tickets if you want. Like, what are you doing? And right, Matt, every time that I play with Matt, I'm yelling at people, move, move. Everybody's all everybody just standing there. Staring at people doing something.

SPEAKER_04

You say we're not a three-point shooting team, man. But you're not stop.

SPEAKER_03

He's gonna go look at something like that. You're not stop it.

SPEAKER_04

Now, you're not a three-point shooting team.

SPEAKER_03

Top five in the league. You're not, you're not.

SPEAKER_04

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, yeah, but that's why y'all went 11 for 67 the other day. Yeah, tight three-point shooting team. I mean, we're still gonna do that. Look at your stats right now. Take your stats right now. I mean, that game. No, no, no, no. Go look at all the games and give me your three-point shooting. No, no, no. Look at the stats. Go look at the stats from the past games right now and go to each individual. The stats, not those stats. Look at these stats. 82 games. I'm gonna look at this instead of this. No, bitch. Look at 82 games. Look at what you're doing in the playoffs. That's my cuzzy. I don't give a fuck what you're doing in the playoffs. So look at what you're doing in the playoffs.

SPEAKER_04

So they were number five, but now they suck.

SPEAKER_00

You're telling me they're gonna be good? You're telling me they're gonna do that question starting with playoffs, too. So don't start because we were talking about con regular needle. Who would you take now? Khan or or Harper after playoffs started? What?

SPEAKER_04

No, I said I said it doesn't matter. I said it doesn't matter. What? It's not like they're gonna change people. It's still the same player. You can write the same thing. No, I don't want to get a look at it. I'll go look it up. Well, that won't do it. I'll go look it up normal. So either way, either way, there's only you like them shooting that many threes? No. End of story. End of fucking story. Okay. You see the way he did it. And you saw how he did that? You saw how he did that? They tried to win the argument by saying you like that many threes.

SPEAKER_00

When they stop making them, they need to learn how to adjust.

SPEAKER_04

Matt's just like that's a good thing. Maybe you're wide open. If you're wide open, see he's saying that we're not a three-point shooting team when the stat when the stats say that we are. When there you go. Now we had a bad shooting day, like for sure, right?

SPEAKER_00

But it's like it wasn't always a bad shooting day. We started good. Exactly. We started really good. How do you think that's a good idea? Now when it's not falling, that's when you need to learn how to fucking adjust. 11 for 43. Or if the team is not adjusting, that's when who do you say who's to blame, right? That's when the coach needs to be like, hey, this goes it's penetrating now. Let's get to the fucking free throw.

SPEAKER_03

17 for 40. What? That's your best your best your best three-point shooting game. Rank him in the playoffs, dude. That's what I'm looking at, Bob. Also, what do you think?

SPEAKER_04

I mean, I mean, shoot. Here, let me do it. But anyway, um, so obviously, this dude lost the whole Dylan Harper argument because he was the best player on the court. 15 of 41.

SPEAKER_03

I just said he's good. I never said Dylan was bad. Again, right? He's done. He's awesome. Just because you don't want to be a good one. He's a defense player that he's gonna be. Does he not? So when he shot when he had four points, when he had seven points, when he hit three points, yeah. That's what you're doing. I don't know. That's what I'm I'm giving you the easy play.

SPEAKER_00

His first tape is saying they don't look like rookies. That's what they're saying.

SPEAKER_04

If you're not a rookie, what are you? Rookie season, nothing else. Okay. I mean, shit. I mean, he's playing better. Okay, and then me and Xavier are doing this.

SPEAKER_03

I'll give you, I'll give you stats if you want, because I know you won't look it up because you don't want to be fucking wrong. About what? He he's good. He's very, very good. He's playing like a top 10 fucking guy. He is the very top 10 rookie.

SPEAKER_04

Top top 10 guy. Top 10 point guard in the league. You want to go through him? Because me and Xavier were going through him the other day. Oh my god. Oh no, no, you don't want to go through him, do you? Okay, Johnny, ready? Because I think I already have a memory.

SPEAKER_03

You can't say the R-word on the cast.

SPEAKER_04

What rookie? No, retard. No, okay, Johnny. Would you rather take Dylan Harper or Stephen Curry? Wait, let me, let me, let me. I'm doing top ten, stupid. Watch, watch. Ready? Curry. Okay, cool. Uh Dylan Harper or Luca? Luca. Dylan Harper or Cade? Cade. Cade. Okay. Uh Dylan Harper or Tyrese Maxie. You don't even know. Fucking Tyrese. Tyrese is really good. Maxie? Okay, cool. Right? That's four. Right? Okay, Dylan Harper or James Harden? Harper. I mean Harden. What?

SPEAKER_03

Really? Is that a question? One of the greatest scores. I hate it. Season Harden or play Harden? Harden. I think Harden now. I hate Harden's game, right? Season Harden? Regular season or playoff hardening. What do you have?

SPEAKER_00

I'll take Harper. Playoff Harper. I don't like playoff Harden. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_03

Um Harden. James or what I hate James Harden, but he's one of the greatest scorers to ever play the game. We're not talking about who's great. I'm like talking about who would you take right now? Play off Harden don't show up. How much are you talking about? Have you heard? One of them's not in the playoffs, the other one's in the playoffs. The fuck are we talking about?

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, who's the better player just in general? What are we doing? Who would you rather take? Like I just said. Would you rather have cold meatloaf or hot meatloaf? Anyway.

SPEAKER_00

So um so depends. Am I hungover or no?

SPEAKER_04

With ketchup or without ketchup.

SPEAKER_00

It's not meatloaf. It's not ketchup.

SPEAKER_04

So, so um, okay, so we oh like the cowboys? They have regular good, they have good regular season. Look, I was at I was at five, right? I was at five. Shea? I'm I'm I'm getting somewhere. I'm getting somewhere. Wait for it. Jalen Brunson or him? Brunson. Halliburton? I fucking hate Halley.

SPEAKER_00

I like Hallie.

SPEAKER_03

I'll take Harper. I hate Halley. Okay. I hate Halley. Here's the problem though. But here's the problem. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I'm getting someone. I'm getting some. Tyrese is a traditional point guard. That's that's the thing. That's different. If you want to take top scoring point guards, I don't think all around. All around. Okay, no, because Harper's not a pass guy. Trey? Ice Tray? I hate Ice Tray, but I'll take Trey. Okay. Uh De'Aaron Fox? I like Fox, but it's a tie for me right now.

unknown

Okay.

SPEAKER_00

No, but all around.

SPEAKER_03

I'm giving you. He's okay. So who's the first thing? You saw the difference of what Fox made whenever he came back after you guys turned the ball over 23 times.

SPEAKER_00

For sure. That's why I said I wouldn't mind if we didn't have those big guys. Get your mic working, please. Doug, he Chris Paul. He better get it working.

SPEAKER_04

He is on the verge of hitting a top 10 point guard right now. Right now. Those are the ones that I named that are better than. Okay. So you said no, you didn't say jaw. Darius Garden? John Morant? I like John Morant. John Morant.

SPEAKER_03

He never answered the job. I've been on Ja since since college, bro. No, he didn't answer the job. What are you talking about? Lamento ball? Yeah, I hate ball too. He's a cocky little asshole, but I'll take it.

SPEAKER_00

I'd probably take ball too.

SPEAKER_03

Okay.

SPEAKER_04

Jamal Murray.

SPEAKER_00

Shit, Jamal over.

SPEAKER_03

And then Derek White. No, I'll take I'll take Harp over White. Exactly.

SPEAKER_04

He is on the cusp of being a top 10 point guard right here. Harper did pretty fucking good. I named them that were better than him, which are pretty good at me. The top 10? Derek's really traded. Derek's about to get traded, man. You know what? Derrick. Derek's about to get traded. They're about to have to cruise some space. And you know what you just did? You took a few over top 10 point guards. Who? Who? Tyrese? Tyrese sucks. I don't like Tyrese. He's a top 10 point guard. James Harden is a top 10 point guard.

SPEAKER_03

I think it takes him over. I fucking put Harden. I took Halley.

SPEAKER_04

You took Harden.

SPEAKER_03

He took Halley. Okay, cool.

SPEAKER_04

So I just don't like it. Right now, arguably. It didn't work out for him. Right now, arguably, he could crack the top ten. By next year, he will be top ten. That's it.

SPEAKER_00

Could be.

SPEAKER_04

There you go. We got him. Right here. Right now. So.

SPEAKER_03

Okay. Again. The kid's really good, bro. But don't let's act again, right? I looked at his point. I looked at his at his stats. That's another thing, too. Once you actually make him the last guy showed it, when they took the motor. The guy? He was what happened with Stefan, right? They made Stefan the guy, and he's got a year extra on him, right? And what do you do? He had a shitty game. 20. A shitty game yet? Oh, yeah. This last one he did, real bad. 22, 22 turnovers. Bro, he almost out turned overed the whole fucking team by himself. Stefan? 11 turnovers of 14. Well, holy fucking shit. Bringing all of that. I love him, man.

SPEAKER_04

We're on the cast talking about bringing all of that around to say we played this bad with Fox playing like shit, Wimby playing like shit, and what's his name? But took it to Knicks, though, man. And Castle like shit too. They actually did. They played fucking horribly. So what and that's that's what that's what that's what actually brings me to my next point. Because when it's both games like that that are both in the balance, you need to take it. You know what I'm saying? And I think our play calls at the end and our execution at the end.

SPEAKER_00

If you're the go-to player, another team and I see you going to the locker room, I'm gonna tell my team, hey, right now that's where we gotta fucking kill him. We gotta kill him. Are you talking about whenever Brunson? When he got hurt a little bit. Oh, wasn't I saying that, X? You gotta be.

SPEAKER_04

And I think Dylan Harper did.

SPEAKER_00

They tried to run at the guards, but but if we would have, if we would have a little bit of space, when Brunson came back, he would have done a lot more because we we created some space in the world.

SPEAKER_03

You know what I hate to say, man? Again, like Hart helped a lot. He did it, he did a phenomenal job. For him going, fuck, I'm sucking, I'm gonna do this now. Amazing. But you know who also again, and I don't want to give him too much credit because I just feel like Wemby was just off. That's all it was. And he still had 28, whatever it was. Your boy cat? Yeah, Zesty Cat actually played a pretty decent game.

SPEAKER_04

He played real well, and you know what he pissed me. You know what pissed me off? Why, why is Wimby why is Wimby guarding him so high up above the three-point line? And he's just driving right by him. How is that even happening? How is that even a thing?

SPEAKER_03

Have you ever seen Kat do that? For a guy, for a guy that tall, man, I mean, cat does he'll pull it from anywhere, right? He'll pull it. Hey, hey, Johnny, he'll pull it from anywhere.

SPEAKER_04

And and back to your awkward silence. Um, back to your back to what you were saying.

SPEAKER_00

You live with Michael, right?

SPEAKER_04

Which is fine, yeah. You live with that, right? You don't live with him driving to the basket and he's fucking eight foot tall. What do you do? If you missed a couple, then you know what? I don't get it, bro. And I don't get too how he was quicker on his feet than Wimby. I was like, what do you what do you mean? Wimby's never been long.

SPEAKER_03

No, he just went back to the ball.

SPEAKER_00

Well, that's what I'm trying to say. Like, is he really quick or something?

SPEAKER_03

That's the problem is that again, like you when you muscle, when they saw what Hartenstein did to Wemby and they gassed him and they made him, he he's getting he gets slower, dog. He does get slower as the game goes on when you start banging him like that a little bit. You know, I think they were all pretty gassed. But he's also, again, he's not like a quick first step guy. Like, even then, like when Wemby takes it, goes by you. It's just that he's taking a step that's 10 feet in front of you where you're like, fuck, and he covers so much ground. But even then, right? When he's blocked people, he's blocked people with one hand and then missed and then blocked it with the left. It's just he's that fucking long. He's quick on his feet. Dude, the dude could probably honestly nine foot. He's not quick on his feet. Stretched out nine foot. Wemby's not quick. I don't think he's quick. I don't think anybody would say Wemby's quick except for you right now.

SPEAKER_04

Well, for a big man, I mean, not like quick like Fox. Well, but based off what you're saying, like how do you let him just? Obviously not, because what cat just went right by his ass. What did you just say, Xavier? He's pressed up on him. Because he's pressed up on him, that's why.

SPEAKER_03

But even if you know because I hate I fucking hate cat. But he's just faster than Wemby. He's quicker than Wimby. I don't think so.

SPEAKER_00

I think Kat's first quicker than Wimby. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Huh? Cat?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. I don't think so. He's showing it.

SPEAKER_04

Nah. Showing it. Because he's pressed up on him. If you press up on me, let me see if I can get by you. Of course, it's gonna happen.

SPEAKER_03

Look, I would just, you know what I would do is I'd call a pick, and Johnny would come and hit you in the ribs, and then I would get by you. See, that's what you have to do. Now both have to cheat. Calm down. Cheaters. So anyway, back to whose fault it was, right? Mitch Mitch didn't put fucking Harper in, which he should have.

SPEAKER_00

You can point fingers at a lot of people.

SPEAKER_03

Devin played like shit and didn't shoot well. Wemby was making some poor decisions.

SPEAKER_00

Take his 13 free throws away. He has what, 13, shot selection.

SPEAKER_03

That's what the service is going to be. And then the bot, and again, the big problem, the big problem for me is I don't think, and I'm not because I don't have to panic because I'm not a Spurs fan, but I think I think Wemby does a better job at his shot selection. Yeah. And I think he does a better job, and he isn't as cold as he was this game. Because that's all it was. I think he he was taking some good shots. Wemby wasn't forcing a lot of stuff, which is something that I've complained about a lot with him. Wemby wasn't forcing a lot of stuff. Devin just wasn't, man.

SPEAKER_00

Champagne was. And he lost the ball. It wasn't until stop. So that's it.

SPEAKER_04

He was playing like hero ball. I started yelling too. Like whenever he has it. Whenever he has it, bro, and he's just dribbling. It's either he's he's dribbling in the backcourt or he's bringing it over half court. And I'm like, what are you doing with the ball? But that's that's what he did.

SPEAKER_03

But that's what he did when he was overseas, bro. That's the thing. Like you didn't get the season. Or what'd you say earlier?

SPEAKER_00

Earlier, you said you gotta you kind of have to let Wimby do what he does, or is he gonna get mad? And this is this is exactly why.

SPEAKER_03

But that's exactly what when they recruited him, they looked at him, they said, This is what this kid does.

SPEAKER_00

This is like like uh so going back to remember I said I want Fox to be Sacramento Fox, it's not necessarily all the points, it's hey, give me the ball. And we'll go to that very little one.

SPEAKER_03

Let Matt finish his point real quick, and then we're gonna go to that one because that's a good one. Because again, like you've got traditional point guards, you've got scoring point guards, and then you've got guys that are man.

SPEAKER_04

One of the best passes of the night is when Fox he he hit that one in the corner. Man, if Fox can do that for us, but that's the thing though, man. Is that again, like you you didn't bring Fox getting people open like that, which he can, Drew. You're off yeah, he can. But the thing is again, you're gonna be able to do it.

SPEAKER_03

Your offense is predicated on Wem and Wembin Wembanyama. That's what it is. That is that's what it is. They're asking Fox to be more of a traditional point guard than a score first point guard. That's what he was when he was in Sacramento, and that's not what he is here. So everybody's upset about that, and like get it because when we see somebody do what they're doing over there, we're like, why can't he do that here? But again, people that don't understand NBA and don't know, not you guys, but don't understand the way offenses are fucking built and they're built around X, Y, and Z, he ends up being a third fucking option. Yeah, like I'm watching him pass the ball and do stuff like that, and then he's in the corner. There, there was like he's just that's what that's what they're doing in the offense. Like, there's no he has no part in that offense anymore after he's boom. I'm out this way, I'm pulling this guy away. Like, it's what happened.

SPEAKER_00

And granted, his little jumper didn't fall down right yesterday. But man, that's it. There was one, there was one or two times he was in the paint, and I'm like, shoot it, and he fucking passed it up. And he passed it up.

SPEAKER_03

I'm like, what the fuck are you doing? And that's partially, I think, more him in his head because he knows he's fucking up. Because those little those little teardrops and those little fucking bumps and turns are his shit.

SPEAKER_00

I'd rather him have that than Castle shoot those because Castle's always short around the bucket when he shoots, he's fucking always short. He should shoot from the top of the key.

SPEAKER_03

Bro, when you're a cold stone cold jump shooter like Castle, bro.

SPEAKER_04

You can do you shoot the buttons, always short, bro. What did Castle shoot? Seven of 16.

SPEAKER_00

Uh but but Fox Fox had what five, six assists yesterday.

SPEAKER_03

He did he did all right, man. I mean, again, he just didn't just fall in. Because when we're watching, yeah, the shots weren't falling. He fucking finally said, you know what, that's enough. I'm done. Like he's cutting himself off to five. You know what I mean? He had five assists. But the thing is, again, like you got him in there fucking for ball security. You got in there for pretty decent defense, man. That's the thing. Everything you can do.

SPEAKER_04

No, no, no, no, no. I'm just saying he didn't play well, didn't play well, Wimby didn't play well, and we lost. I still don't think Wemby and and yeah, it did what?

SPEAKER_03

That's very true. Said again. But what's what what's what what did I tell you guys? I think I told you and I told somebody else. I said, Y'all gotta get up and down. Like, y'all gotta use your athleticism and fucking get these dudes fucking tired because they have nobody on the bench that's really gonna be a threat to you guys offensively, which is proven. And then there's nobody on that bench that they're on their bench on theirs? I don't know. They're pretty who you guys was 20 to 28. Was you outscored him? Was it uh Obi Wan? Landry?

SPEAKER_04

Obi Wan Kanobi, and then um what's the uh Obi didn't do shit. Yes, he did. He had three threes in a row.

SPEAKER_03

Hold up. He he's a bench player? Yeah, Obi comes off the bench. And he was technically a starter, he was a starter before, but he comes off.

SPEAKER_04

Um and then uh who else?

SPEAKER_00

I think uh another difference maker for New York is gonna be that Shaman gun. Landry Shamet was great, man. Landry Shaman when he was with the Sixers was fucking if he shoots, if he shoots good, then the biggest.

SPEAKER_03

But he's he's he's super flashy, man. Like, I mean he's he's uh streaky, super streaky. So Obi went off for 17.

SPEAKER_00

And his threes, they were tough threes. Yeah, it wasn't like unclear.

SPEAKER_03

He's got people in his face and he's still three.

SPEAKER_04

He had three in a row. Those were big, bro. He had one right in Wimby's face.

SPEAKER_03

So like I told right, I was telling, I was telling him, right? Shout out to him who never fucking shows up because he's got better things to do than hang out with us, you fucking piece of shit. Um, I told him Clarkson ain't gonna do shit. I told him Alvarado wasn't gonna do shit, McBride wasn't gonna do shit. I said Robinson ain't gonna do shit. Six minutes. So though those are their those are their top their top reserves right there. Those guys that I just mentioned.

SPEAKER_00

Alvarado had a lot of things. Offensively, they're not gonna do anything. I think Alvarado did more than what I thought he did. You need to seven points? It wasn't much, but he was in there. He didn't. He made an impact on the game.

SPEAKER_03

You gotta get in there and get them to get to their bench ASAP. Like I'm talking about just run because again, what why did they fuck up last year? Why was it so bad for the Knicks last year, right? Who beat them last year? Well, what's the name of the thing? Somebody ran him out the gym. What's the name? Put his hashing suit on somebody ran him out the gym. Yeah, because you were playing them fucking every time. Even when it was only five Tibbs, when Tibbs was there, Tibbs was running them out the like he was running them ragged, like no rest, not even calling the timeouts, bro. He'd go back and he'd leave the fucking half with four timeouts when he had six or eight or whatever it is. But he wouldn't, he'd he'd run them into the fucking ground. Those guys were getting run into the ground. Run these kids as run these guys, the Knicks, as much as you can and make them go to the bench and say, I hope you can fucking put up with Harper and the guys that are coming in right now, because they're gonna put up more points than you. If you guys can beat them on the bench, you're gonna be fine. If you can beat them and get them off, get them off their starters and juice their starters.

SPEAKER_00

It goes back to what you said though. Get them in foul trouble, get talents on foul trouble because they don't have a deep bench.

SPEAKER_03

I was gonna say that.

SPEAKER_00

We did we did that to Minnesota one of the games and we whipped their ass. We're kicking the rest because we got them in foul trouble.

SPEAKER_03

But that's but you know what that takes? Stop shooting fucking threes and get to the fucking rack. Get to the fucking rack, bro.

SPEAKER_00

We need to put Wimmy down. And who does it? Who does it the best on the team? Castle and Fox, actually. Harper? Fox gets does get yeah, Fox does good, but he he like instead of going into somebody and causing a foul, yeah. Which I'm cool with. I'll let him do that. But I'm talking like Harper again, go back to Harper, keep him in the goddamn thing.

SPEAKER_03

Get to the bucket, get and those are your top guys, Castle and Harper, the guys that get to the bucket and want to get contact.

SPEAKER_00

Every now and then for the game.

SPEAKER_03

You gotta get to the bucket, and you need if you're gonna keep shooting threes, that's gonna be the and that mark mark my words.

unknown

I think what we're trying to do.

SPEAKER_03

Well, because there's not really a set that you can run. There's only two pickets. There's only two things we use a picket or a double pick and roll. That's all it is. You don't even run double picks. Yeah, we do. Yeah, we do. Oh, is it on the on the top?

SPEAKER_01

We play in chaos. We're really used to it. They stop us. We're like, oh, okay, okay, we're all sitting around. We don't even know how to space right. We don't even know how to give really room to work with. Which is funny, right? When he's trying to do what I say.

SPEAKER_03

I need you to get that fucking mic working, bro, because he's saying all this good shit and it's not fucking gonna get in there. I'm just saying, because the last time we had that podcast and you're talking to somebody, he's saying shit, and then you start talking, and I'm like, what the fuck did X say? And he says good shit. I want to hear it.

SPEAKER_00

But that's what I'm saying, right? That's what I'm saying. There's only one player on the Spurs that I'm I don't mind coming down when we don't run a set, and it's Fox. Get the ball.

SPEAKER_03

Gets in, does what he does, and then kicks it, and then he's separating. Like he that's what they're coaching. That's your offense that you have is to give space. All your guys, and it's annoying the fuck out of me because all the other guys, there's literally four dudes just standing watching. They're just standing on the perimeter, and then they're all fucking chunking up threes. I'm like, it's already bad enough that Wemby and Wemby did it a couple times, right? And we praise him when he went, when he hits him. We we love it when he when he does it, but how often is that gonna happen, though, man? It's not gonna happen that often. Again, the best percentages are 35 to 39 percent. Like, are we are you guys willing to sit there and go, yeah, man, let's let it rain, dog? Like, 39 will easily. That's what the best percentage in the game? Those are the best, those are good percentages by statistical. That's why I always said because then Curry and them shoot 41, 43%, right? But for good three-point shooters, 35 to 39 is usually about really good.

SPEAKER_00

And that's why I always say that's why I always put in the 40s, because we're in the 40s that we have great.

SPEAKER_03

But getting to the fucking bucket, dog? Getting to the bucket, you guys got guys.

SPEAKER_00

It's like one of our set plays is let's work our ass off to get in the middle of the court and just throw it. Uh uh, boom, boom, kick. But it's part of it, and then shoot, miss, don't get to kill them.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, I mean, how many times at least you get back on defense, which is a positive. Because you guys are getting back on defense and getting fields and getting rips, but you're shooting five three-pointers and you didn't get any rebounds. If we were an old team, we wouldn't be able to get back. Which is yeah, shit. Which is tough, right? Which is tough to even say, though, X, because they out rebound, you out rebounded them yesterday, but you had one dude. Hart kept grabbing rebounds at the right time, man.

SPEAKER_00

I I told you, I think heart's gonna be a difference maker.

SPEAKER_01

Another thing, too, man, is that we do rely on like, okay, let's do the pick and roll, right? But we're not even good at the pick and roll, really, man. We kind of suck at it.

SPEAKER_03

Well, you're not good at the pick and roll because it's the same one over and over again, right? But it should work and it should work because it's pick and roll, it's pick and roll to Wemby pushing and getting separation and getting those alley hoops. But you don't have a pick and roll, you don't have a pick and roll right now where it involves like Devin or involves Fox as far as like shit. Well shit, Fox is a point guard, but involves let's say Devin or Wemby getting elbow extended and hitting some jumpers. Like, how many times have you seen Wemby not roll to the basket or it's push off and they expect him to go down and just pull up a little bit and hit that jumper, dog? Wemby can hit that jumper. He can.

SPEAKER_00

So Kalu Kuran.

SPEAKER_03

Because right, that's what we did. With we had we had guys that we played with, right? Where you set the pick and roll and this guy was gonna dive, right? You set the pick and roll, and then we expect him to die, but this guy could hit the jumper, and I'm pulling back out to the elbow or the wing and shooting that jumper.

SPEAKER_04

It's a pick, a pick, pick and pop.

SPEAKER_02

We cleared out half of the wing in order to do the pick and roll, and that was working. Remember?

SPEAKER_03

Oh, yeah. But did you hear what you just said? You had to clear it out. Where again, that's what's the trouble with hitting the boards, is then you're not too far out.

SPEAKER_04

Didn't you say, X2, you were like, look, they finally gave him space, and that's when he took Cat to the rack. Like when we cleared out for him. And it's stuff you got.

SPEAKER_00

And that's what he did wrong yesterday. He would try to go in, and there's no space to go in. And then he's so long.

SPEAKER_04

I don't understand. He does that.

SPEAKER_00

There's so much space for him to put that ball down from his hands to the city.

SPEAKER_04

He's just not coordinated enough to do that.

SPEAKER_00

And also, too, he's just gonna be able to do it.

SPEAKER_04

But people aren't even doing it to steal it from him.

SPEAKER_01

You know what it comes down to? Not disciplined. They're not disciplined. In what sense?

SPEAKER_03

Not disciplined in what sense? Don't do that. Yeah, don't do that.

SPEAKER_04

They're just like the way that Cornette is disciplined, and he ain't gonna shoot that.

SPEAKER_03

Nah, he knows because he knows what he's he's definitely came for.

SPEAKER_04

They're not they're they're they're it's funny, right?

SPEAKER_03

Because Cornet got here, man, and he said, He's like, Man, I miss shooting the three. Like, that was my shit. You know what I mean? He goes, but that's not what they asked me to do. Yeah, and he's that that motherfucker's cold. That white boy, cold.

SPEAKER_04

You know what I need KJ to stop doing too? Shooting threes? No, whenever he uh gets the ball on the fast break, he just tries to bull rush that thing. Dog, that's getting predictable, dog. Yeah, but this is if he has the right hand, he just double down and try using the ball. What else does he want him to do? Bro, that is just that that is um that's just giving the ball right back, bro. What do you want him to do? If it's a two-on-one, I don't mind it. He's trying to he's trying to get it.

SPEAKER_00

If it's a two-on-one, I don't mind it.

SPEAKER_04

But no, bro, let's just I I we could get a better shot than that.

SPEAKER_03

If it's a two-on-one fast break, we don't we don't need him to be doing that, bro. Straight up. I don't mind him getting playing bully ball like that and getting in the paint because again, if you're gonna get any people in foul trouble. Would you this do this? Would you much rather him shoot that long ass shooting? But he's not getting but he's not getting people in foul trouble. Okay, I get that, right? But would you rather keep shooting the threes or keep going to the bucket?

SPEAKER_04

I'll tell you uh, I'll answer that. You know what that you know what the answer to that question is? It depends on the time. It depends on the situation. It depends on the time, score, and situation.

SPEAKER_00

Well, he's not the shooter because you're