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Crash Out With Me: Hiring Feels Like A Humiliation Ritual

• Madison Butler

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Layoffs are back in the headlines, but the hardest part isn’t the announcement. It’s what happens after: the endless applications, the four-round interviews that end in ghosting, and the quiet pressure to accept jobs that pay a fraction of what your experience is worth. We sit down with Taryn Talley, a marketing leader and LGBTQ2SIA advocate, to talk about the job market in 2024 with zero sugarcoating and a lot of hard-earned perspective from nearly three decades in digital marketing and design. 

We get into the realities behind “just pivot” advice: how part-time consulting can leave you without healthcare, why unemployment barely touches the bills, and how age bias and DEI backlash can shape who gets seen and who gets sidelined. Taryn shares the kinds of hiring red flags she’s seeing now, from rejection without feedback to bizarre metrics like LinkedIn follower counts being treated like qualifications, plus practical ways to approach the volume problem and the ATS filter game without losing your mind. 

Then we zoom out to the platform that drives so much career visibility: LinkedIn. We talk about reach dropping, why comments matter more than ever, how AI systems are changing what shows up in the feed, and what “AI slop” means for creators and job seekers trying to stand out with real work. We also touch online harassment, blocking as a safety tool, and the political reality affecting trans people navigating everyday life across state lines. 

If you’re job searching, hiring, building a personal brand, or just trying to make sense of why everything feels harder, this one will land. Subscribe, share with a friend who needs it, and leave a review so more people can find the conversation.


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Welcome And What We’re Crashing Out About

SPEAKER_02

And we're live. Hello, everyone. Welcome back to the Crash Out. My name is Madison Butler, Maddie B, if you know me. And I created the crash out as a reminder that everyone has something they are crashing out about. Everyone has something that is going on in their lives that is bigger than work. And so a reminder to be kind, but also a reminder that the thing you're going through is also super normal. I am super excited for my guest today. Taryn, do you want to introduce yourself a little bit?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. So Taryn Talley, head of marketing, marketing director, marketing leader, LGBTQ2SIA advocate. That's it.

SPEAKER_02

What do you want to crash out about today?

SPEAKER_00

Well, I really thought like what do you had down with the algorithm and kind of like the job market itself? And I don't know, if we have a little bit of time, the administration.

SPEAKER_02

So perfect. Okay. Well, I

Layoffs Return And The Pressure Spikes

SPEAKER_02

would love to jump into the job market. Specifically, I think this is a great day to do it. Following up on Meta's 8,000 layoffs, and if you have seen it circling, Microsoft has sent some weird emails around as well. And so obviously, we are in a time where maybe we thought, oh, the like road of all major layoffs has maybe come to a close and it is not. It is broken wide open again. So would love to hear a little bit from you on your experience, you know, as a consultant in the job market, all of that fun stuff.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. So like for me, I've had about 30 years of working in design and marketing. So in November, it's my 30th anniversary of being in the digital space. So like I'm a bit of a dinosaur. I've earned all this gray hair. And, you know, for me, when I look back on my career, so like getting a layoff in 2024 and moving into a part-time consultancy, right? And looking and building that up and then, you know, landing an equity role, I'm still looking for a full-time opportunity. Because I mean, listen, part-time consultancy doesn't pay for healthcare. And in the United States, you know, healthcare is super expensive. So it's been a struggle. You know, it's like I I feel like I'm experiencing a lot of what people in their 50s are experiencing. So, and if y'all are in you know your 40s or 30s, let me know. But I feel like once I hit 50 with this layoff, it's unlike any other layoff, which is like I have to work three times harder to get half as much. You know, so like it just feels like it's um, you're like pushing a boulder up a hill just to get somebody to acknowledge you, to get to land an interview. I mean, it has been a like a just a kind of like if you think about that roller coaster, it's like the mousetrap, it's been like that. Like you're jerking over here, then you're jerking over there, and then there, and then you're plummeting for like a story or two. It's been rough. And I think on LinkedIn, you see a dynamic with a whole bunch of people. So I know that I'm not alone, right? But a whole bunch of people that they're filling the same space the same way. You know, we've seen all the news, like with the government's anti-DF DEI kind of push, you know, that hundreds of thousands of black women are out of the workforce. You see that, you know, there's even like with nursing mothers, and just I feel like there's just a dynamic shift. And no amount of, you know, say executive leadership coaching on landing that job is going to break through the dynamic, right? So I just like for me, I want to acknowledge the struggle for everyone. It's a struggle for me. I don't like I'm not on social media really, I don't know, like not complaining about it, but surfacing all the stress and the tension. A lot of people think I'm super resilient. Like, this is the stuff that goes through my mind when I'm lying in bed, just going, like, oh my God, I gotta get to sleep. You know, it's like, how you're gonna pay those bills, how you're going to, you know, like you've got to put something on a credit card that you're already like getting close to the limit. I mean, there's all these things that people are going through, and it isn't a really shitty, tough time. And you see these corporate layoffs one after another, and it's just like, I mean, it it feels like it's nonstop, right? So, like, you know, I don't know for me what the future holds. I was like, I shared this with a friend with um with a friend yesterday and did a post on it where we only do real talk. And I was like, listen, if I have to go back and work dinner service in a restaurant and sell pictures of my feet online, I am gonna make it through this, right? But like that, somebody with my skill set and what I've delivered over the the course of 30 years should not be considering like like just driving a lift, selling foot picks and you know, working at dinner service in a restaurant. Like that's not where I should be in my 50s. And I feel like that's kind of like the mindset that I'm in, where it's like I don't know what else I can do besides, you know, just screaming, like, this is why I'm so qualified. Please hire me, you know. Give me an opportunity, like give me a shot. Like that's the challenge, you know.

SPEAKER_02

I mean, I think that is so real. I mean, unless you want to sell for picks, right? Like, I I'm totally down.

SPEAKER_00

I probably could make like 10, 20, 30 grand. So, like maybe I don't know.

SPEAKER_02

We're very down with sex work over here. So, like, I'm I'm for it. I think that is the conversation I literally just had before I came on here was so much of this feels like an intentional humiliation ritual in a lot of ways. And that was the phrase the person I was just talking to said is it has been made to make women, specifically marginalized women, women of color, black women feel shitty about themselves. Because how I don't know how to quantify it as more than why the heck did I do any of this to get to C-Suite, bust my ass, give up my life, do nothing, never touch grass to build this life that then I literally can't get back to, even though I didn't choose to exit it.

SPEAKER_01

Right.

SPEAKER_02

Like, what was the point when I could have just like done literally anything else? But now I have the skill set that, okay, well, now what do I do with it if I can't get back in? And I think that is the experience a lot of people are having is if they can get back in at all, they're getting back in at levels and levels and levels below where they should be. Like I have friends who are making, you know, multi-six figures who are being offered jobs for $95,000. And you're like, well, crap, now what do I do? Do I take that because your girls got bills? Or do I not take that because that doesn't actually make sense in a linear fashion on my resume?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

And that is the question a lot of my clients have when they come to me is like, do I take this job or do I continue to wing it? And I just don't know how long everybody can wing it for.

SPEAKER_00

I mean, that's a really that's a struggle.

Pay Cuts, Side Hustles, And Staying Afloat

SPEAKER_00

I mean, for me, way back in the day, so we're gonna go back to like I think layoff number three. So I've had five in a corporate career, and layoff number three was during the Great Recession. And I couldn't, you couldn't buy. I mean, I'm gonna be very transparent here. I was doing cutting down trees, doing construction work on the side to pay the bills, you know, because all of us know that unemployment can't help anything. I mean, like unemployment's almost a joke, right? Like it in most areas now, like I mean, 2009, you could get lucky and it would help towards things, but it's it doesn't cover anything, you know what I mean? So, like nowadays, especially in California, in the Bay Area, it's like it's probably like 45% of my rent payment, you know what I mean? So, like, and that's just one bill. So, you know, I feel like in 2009, when I had that and I was doing anything I could to make money, like literally anything, like physical labor, right, to make money. I took a job that was for like I think 15, I think it took a pay cut about 20, right? And it took me a while to get back up. You know, like I was flying high, like in 2007. I was even thinking about like, you know what, I might buy that vacation property in the in the coconuts, right? Get a cabin up there on the lake. And uh like six months later, I'm literally on the pavement looking for a job. You know, so like it just feels like when you're taking that that that role that's like nine where you're making, let's say 250 or 300 and you're looking at 95. The one thing that I would recommend to people is like when you get that $300, $300,000 salary, don't live towards that salary. Continue to live like you're like, you know, just starting out as a specialist or whatever. Because the bigger life you build, which they society kind of drove, you know, drifts you into, that way, if you need to take that $95,000 job to cover it, it's not gonna be something that you know you're putting a lot of effort into. Because let's be honest, Madison. Every job that's salary is more than 40 hours a week. I mean, I think on average, I figured out in my entire career, I averaged work weeks of 58 hours, only being paid for 40.

SPEAKER_02

Especially when work is now in your phone, right? So, like you're like, I'm gonna go to the bathroom and now you're still working while you're peeing, or you're like, okay, I'm gonna do the laundry, but your phone's with you. So it's funny that you say that. So over last year, beginning of last year, I was very much in my hot girl shit and I was dating. And I remember someone I went on a date with asked me why I live in a normal house when I have a good career. And I was like, What do you what do you mean? And they were like, but like, why don't you have like the houses you see on TikTok? And I was like, Because I don't want to be house poor. Like I'm also at the time it was just me. Why do I why do I need a big house? And I'm not having kids, it's me and my dogs. They don't need bedrooms, and I have a three-bedroom, two bath. Like, I feel like that's pretty normal. And I was just like, What a wild question that the expectation is that if you make good money, you have to be living this lavish lifestyle. Yeah, because it's required of you. The reason, like, I'm good is like when I got laid off, is I have a normal mortgage. I have a normal mortgage and 2.1% interest, and we're good over here. But that is it, it it helps. I mean, I I drive a I wish gas wasn't so expensive. My car is a little bit messy on the gas, but yeah, I guess when you have been interviewing, what has your experience been that feels maybe different from I don't know, the before times, like before 2022?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah,

Four Interviews Then Ghosted

SPEAKER_00

I mean, for me, the interviews, so like I've had it's been up and down on the interviews. Like I have had interviews that went four rounds, and then you know, with the acknowledgement from the hiring manager that I can do every aspect of the job, right? And then in that fourth round, it's like after the fourth round, they ghost me for two weeks and they're like, we went in a different direction, you know. So I'm like, okay, am I too trans? Am I too old? Am I too tan? I don't know. You know, but it's like, yeah, yes, Doc, absolutely well over 40 hours. You know, but it's like, you know, I've had some interviews that have been really affirming where somebody's like, oh my God, you've done some shit. Like you've done some really amazing shit. I took a look at your website, wow, I want to bring you in. And then like the next email I'll get is like, sorry, the CEO cut the budget. So I'm like, okay, great. You know, so like it's been a mix, right? Where it's like you go through all the way, or like I had one where it was a promising one, and they were like, Sorry, I talked to the team and you don't have enough LinkedIn followers to for this role. And I was like, Okay, I'm like Is that a thing?

SPEAKER_02

Is there a LinkedIn requirement for marketing?

SPEAKER_00

Well, Madison, but that was for a job that is it was what was it? What are they calling it? I think it's uh what is it, nine nine nine twelve, something like that. It's like it's supposed to be like a seven-day a week job for 12 hours a day at a minimum. Like the team post pictures of themselves in the office in their pajamas. And it was like, I feel like even though I needed that, I kind of dodged a bullet.

SPEAKER_02

So you don't want to be in the office in your jammies?

SPEAKER_00

I'm not doing that. Yeah, I'm not gonna hang out with people's pets in the office and stuff like I have my dog at home, but it's like, you know, but having something contrite like that, like where it's just like, oh, you don't have enough followers, or you don't have this, or you don't have that. I'm like, I'm sorry, you know, like that's not the way the career went. Like, and I also, and you know, because I weighed in on several crash outs with when you talk to HR people, and you all know that I got an opinion, I'm gonna share it. So that the other thing I feel like is job descriptions are just purple unicorns playing Mozart on a violin, right? That fly. And if you don't have any of those aspects, you're screwed. So, you know, for me, it's like your career is what it is. What's important is that, you know, key things like leadership, the ability to learn what you don't know, the ability to like with you know, strong inference skills, those are the things that matter in jobs, you know what I mean? It's not like you know, you need to have 27 years of ad display ad experience, right? When it's only been around for 20, like or 25. You know what I mean? Like it's none of that. And I mean, I actually had somebody tell me, so I have like over four years of experience in this marketing channel. I have generated over two and a half million in revenue from that marketing channel in four years. And they were like this. I went for a role with them, and they were like, Yeah, your journey is really interesting, but you know, maybe come back when you have some more experience. I'm like, motherfucker, I'm 58, you know, this year. Like, I am not coming back in six years to work your job, like be to get more experience. Like, that's the kind of indignity, right, that you deal with. So, like, I think I actually blocked that recruiter and I was like, I don't even want to see you in the feed at all. Like, please stop. But like those are the challenges, right? And it just it's incredible and exhausting and saddening, and just it's like you're you're constantly out there selling yourself, you know.

SPEAKER_02

If it makes you feel better, I had maybe what be might be the opposite problem. I had someone who definitely took an interview with me just because they follow me on LinkedIn.

unknown

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_02

And I was like, they were like, You're actually too senior, and you would be a flight risk, but I've been following you forever.

SPEAKER_00

And I was like, So they just wanted to talk to you?

SPEAKER_02

I was like, You can pay to do this, you know. But I was like, What do you mean? I'm a flight risk. I was like, in theory, anyone with a job is a flight risk. That is how work works, and that's why it's an organization's job to retain their employees.

SPEAKER_00

Exactly.

SPEAKER_02

The level of like arbitrary things, and I try to explain this to hire managers too, was like, are you actually putting what is needed to do the job? Or are you just writing fluff because you feel like it's got to have more lines? Because so many people don't actually know the fundamental, like three things people need to do a job, and they start adding in things like you don't have enough LinkedIn followers. Does that impact my ability to do this job?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, that wasn't even the job descriptions. It was like I was getting measured by something, not even in the JD.

SPEAKER_02

So imagine putting that in a JD, someone would flame that on LinkedIn. It would they would get dragged.

SPEAKER_00

Right. Because it'd be like, really? Like, you know, most people I know CEOs that barely have a thousand, so please spare me. No, it's it's it's crazy, yeah, because it's um it's that's how it's going, right? So like it's constant hustle and hunting just to get by. So, you know, I try not to besmirch coaching because I know people are doing a lot of coaching now, but it's like for me, I mean, it's hard to even start that coaching practice, it's hard to start like that educational like graphy, right? And some of those other platforms to do, you know. So it's just it's constantly fighting to break through. And of course, the shifting on LinkedIn, you know, also you've got to pivot for that. So, you know, it's I think for me, like where I'm at right now is I think my next step is actually hold on. What's Crystal saying? I just start somewhere. Yeah, exactly. You don't have enough experience, it's hard. But like, I'll I want to talk about my my JD experience. So, like, I've ridden quite a few JDs in my time, right? I've been around for a while since the wheel was first chiseled. And in my JDs, I'll give you the basics. Like, I'll tell you, like, listen, you gotta be familiar with this. I don't care if you've used Epsilon's email service provider platform or cheetah digital or whatever. If you've done it, you've done it. And when I when I meet with people and I interview them, the one thing I tell them is like, listen, I need an operator. That's all I need, right? I need you to be able to learn what you don't know. When I tell you, like, I need you to do this, you put it on the schedule, you do it, you work it through, you fly questions, you don't deflect and blame shift if something goes sideways and you're just transparent and honest. That's all I need, right? And I can teach you everything else about the job, right? And get you on the right footing. Like that's the basics. But it's somewhere we walked away from the basics, right?

SPEAKER_02

So for you, what do you think? Obviously, then some of the obvious ones we've talked about here. What are some of the red flags you've seen in interviewing thus far that that feel maybe unprecedented to you know the pre-2022 interviews?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I mean, the LinkedIn follower one was really bizarre. I mean, the other one, like telling somebody that they've done everything on the job and then completely ghost them, writing to move in a different direction, to not offer feedback. You know, the one where it's like you need more experience, and it's just like I thought things are like results matter, but apparently not. It's more years you've done something. And I'll just be like really honest as a marketer. I am not somebody who follows like this playbook that some dude wrote like 30 years ago. I'm somebody who looks at the work and figures out the path forward, right? Like, I've got a brain, I've got a background, and I'm gonna apply that to both. So for me, like that one job where I was going through four interviews, you've done it all, but you haven't done this audience. And I'm like, that's the challenge. That's why I'm applying for this job. Like, I want to like learn how to target this particular audience and work with them, right? I can do all the technical skills, but that's not good enough. So it's like it's it's always like that. It kind of reminds me of Lucy and Charlie Brown with the football, right? Like, you know, no matter what you're doing, she's gonna yank that ball and I'm gonna wind up on my ass. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02

It's just so I'm going to ask the question that lots of people ask me, which I think I know the answer to. Okay.

Online Presence, Controversy, And Age Bias

SPEAKER_02

But do you feel like your online presence has helped or harmed your job search?

SPEAKER_00

To be honest, I think it's helped. So I've done a lot of work with generative engine optimization last year. So GEO. I've shared a lot of content on LinkedIn. I built a big media presence from a couple communities that I'm in. And basically, there's enough information out there that hi 58-year-old Carol.

SPEAKER_02

I was born in 91, everyone.

SPEAKER_00

I was the year before I graduated college. But, you know, so yeah, so I feel like I've built it up enough to where people know it. I actually am doing a post tonight because I'm I do my weird LinkedIn things on Friday night. My Gemini knows me well enough that I asked it to write a eulogy for me, and it actually wrote one of the best eulogies I've read. So, like, I'm gonna share that one. So, like, that's how that's how much I've really focused the conversation on me and like what I do and what I offer and the wins I've done, right? So that's represented well. I don't think being an advocate for the community or being even an indigenous advocate or you know, a black and indigenous person who's trans has impacted it. I said maybe that one interview where I had four times and they went into the different direction, but other than that, I don't think it's it's really hurt me. I think it's kind of controversial, but not controversial. I used to save this shit for Twitter, now it goes on Blue Sky.

SPEAKER_02

But yeah, I really wanted to love Blue Sky, and I was like, I just can't manage another app. I I do try, I know that you're not on meta. I am kind of on threads, but I'm literally only on threads to be mean to men. That's like the only thing. Sometimes I troll that one guy from Fresh and Fit, Marlin Mark, whatever his name is on now. He's in the Manosphere documentary. Can't recommend it, but I can't not recommend it. But I was like, I can't do another app. But one of the pieces of feedback I have gotten is I am too controversial in a way that how do how do we know you won't write about us? Because I'm an HR and I understand my IP agreement mostly, but that's anyone could write about you. If you want people to write nice things, let me suggest you be nicer. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I mean, maybe change your behavior. Like you know, I will light people up, right? And not in a really mean, spiteful way, but when I see bullshit, I'm gonna call bullshit. So and I do it in a somewhat respectful, snarky way, as is my way, but yeah, a little spice. But yeah, I don't think that's that's hampering me. I think to be honest with you, I think it's really age and experience, you know, because people look at you and I mean, like, I feel like I've got another seven years of like 60 hour work weeks, and but I like on purpose, like you you've got that in you. I've got that in me. Like I literally have that in me to go to 65, 60 hours a week, and I can do that without a doubt. Like, I know that I can do that. Hell, I just did an event in Utah. That week was almost a 70 hour work week. That was six days straight of work, right? So that's it's not a problem to do that. But when they look at the resume, they look when you graduate from college and whatever, you know, they just are like, okay, you know, this, you know, the the To retire next year. It's like, no, dude, I'm not. When I retire, I'm like, I'm gonna be out and I will disappear from LinkedIn and no one will ever see me again. Like, I will be gone. But that's not now.

SPEAKER_02

I always say that's how you know when I've made it, is I've I've gone, I've poofed off the internet. And it's funny because someone someone said something to me the other day, and they were like, I feel like you're everywhere. And I'm like, I was like, I'm literally nowhere. I am essentially a con I am a concept. Nobody has met me. You've met me, and you're like one of the only people that has met me in real life to confirm that I am not like an AI bot. But the majority of people have never seen me in real life, and I like it that way. And then when I one day when I make it, nobody's gonna see me at all, not even on the internet. Yeah, I'll be gone. I'll get a Gemini eulogy, I will post it and then I will put it off the internet.

SPEAKER_00

Well, I mean, the one thing you might see for me is a book. So, like, I'm I'm kind of thinking about writing a book and a couple years, and basically it's gonna be why I hate Fridays, what in the hell is this? And just be 30 years of marketing and design. Like, this is why I hate Fridays. And it's gonna be like one of those things where I'm gonna name names and be like, yeah, and the BS and shit I had to go through to just survive and make it.

SPEAKER_02

Wait, why do you hate Fridays? It's Friday.

SPEAKER_00

So, as a marketer, right? A lot, especially in the consumer space, I would have to crunch down all the campaigns that were running on Saturday and Sunday and over the weekend. Approvals would be Friday, legal review is Friday. There would be late nights on Friday, making sure shit was tight before the weekend. So Fridays were like always the worst day. Monday was like a no-brainer. I just go in, you got a staff meeting first thing in the morning. It's like, yeah, whatever. Friday is the one where I come home and I'm like, good God, that martini isn't big enough, you know.

SPEAKER_02

I've never had a martini.

SPEAKER_00

Really? I love a draining martini. My mom turned me on too.

SPEAKER_02

I'm allergic to vodka, like severely allergic. But it's weird because I'm not allergic to potatoes, but I cannot have vodka and I cannot have gin.

SPEAKER_00

So yeah, I dated someone that was allergic to high high octane rum. So they like swelled up. I was like, oh, it's horrible.

SPEAKER_02

I mean, see, I'm a I'm purely, I'm usually a tequila or mezcal girly. Like I'm a margarita type girl. Although I like really love champagne. So, fun fact about me, my like tattoo project that I'm working on right now is a trilogy of my three favorite beverages. And so one is obviously Diet Coke. I have one on every show. The other one is an iced coffee from Duncan, but the third one is a big bottle of voof champagne.

SPEAKER_00

So I'm more reposado, just like two fingers of reposado and a lime. That's it.

SPEAKER_02

Okay, that no. My heartburn. I am I'm not, I was born in the 90s, but I have heartburn like I was born in the 50s. So I am not set up for that life. I have had a Mexican martini in Texas, which is a martini made with tequila, but I feel like it doesn't hit the same because you're not putting an olive in it. So I've never had the like upscale fun experience of a martini, but that's besides the point.

SPEAKER_00

I mean, when I do two fingers of reposado with like a half a lime squeezed in it and floating in the tequila, I'm usually smoking like a cigarillo and just like chilling out on a rooftop somewhere.

SPEAKER_02

So you are truly so much cooler than me.

SPEAKER_00

That's like so yeah. Remember, kids, smoking is bad. Don't start.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. I mean, in in the world where everyone's like, where's my bait? Where's my bait? I mean, I think we're you're probably good.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah. Maybe I'm like just I'm not, it's nothing, right? It's like what somebody's grandma would do. But yeah, so it's challenging.

ATS Filters And Resume Survival

SPEAKER_00

I think the next step for me is going to be really trying to figure out how to rewrite the resume to a level that I can pass an ATS. Like I feel like I feel like I'm getting scrubbed out of there. So like I need to really do some research and kind of do some deep research in Gemini and figure out like what I need, how to I need to present things in a way that put me in the best light possible.

SPEAKER_02

I think one of, you know, as someone who has, you know, I cut my teeth in recruiting. I think really the so much of the issue is volume and companies not being employed or staffed to manage that volume. No single recruiter can go through 2,000 resumes well. It's just not possible. So they're just click, click, click. Oh, I I know that name. I know that person. I'll I'll move that one over. Oh, I'm looking for so-and-so's cousin. And you know, part of that is the problem, is it is just not possible to actually deal with that volume well when everyone deserves actual real eyeballs on their resume.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. No, I mean, when I was doing hiring back in the day, I mean, for me, I go through easy as a hiring manager, 60 or 70 resumes. I would screen out probably 15 people.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Right. And like at that top 15, I would put the work in because, like, I, you know, I was running in department of JP Morgan, and I'm like, like, we need really like we got to find the right mix, right? So like it's worth the time putting it in, you know.

SPEAKER_02

I just feel like people do not have that level of care anymore. And I say that as someone who like I would I would actually leave my resume reviews for nighttime. So I've just take my laptop to bed. I would like have my little diet coke and I'd be like unbothered. Because that's part of it, right? Is it's hard to go through things when everyone's tapping you on the shoulder or you're getting 9,000 bucks. Nobody's slacking me at 9 p.m. But I just feel like right now, when you log into LinkedIn, right? And it like will show you jobs that you're fit for, even if I'm not applying, I'm like, a hundred people already applied. You posted it 87 seconds ago.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah, exactly. I mean, the one tip I will give people jobs that have under 100 people on them tend to respond back and read your submission. I mean anything over a hundred, it's a waste. I mean, unless you know like the CMO or the CEO, like there's no way to work through that. So for me, like I've seen a lot more success on things that are either newly posted or have very few people on it, where at least they like they take the time, they're like, Oh, look, I haven't had somebody submit for a week. Like, let me take a look at this resume, right? And do it.

LinkedIn’s New AI Driven Feed

SPEAKER_02

But yeah, so I know you're a marketer by trade.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

So I would love to hear a little bit about how you have noticed some changes in the algorithm, at least on LinkedIn. Um, I know you're not necessarily on the platform, the other platforms like Instagram or some of the other, you know, bullshit internet things. Yeah. But obviously, you know, for me, right? Like, I have noticed a big shift in I don't see a ton of other black creators in my on my feed, despite I follow all of them. And then I had someone message me, they text me the other day, like, oh my god, it's so good to see you posting again. And I was like, I've posted every day for like 10 years. I've been posting.

SPEAKER_00

So I mean, I see your shit every day. I mean, the first thing in the morning, it's you.

SPEAKER_02

So like a rooster, actually. I'm actually that rooster that like has, I don't know if you ever seen it. It's a meme, but it's like a rooster and he's wearing a sign that says complaining loudly completes me. That's me every morning. But for you, how have you noticed a shift in your own content and how it's been seen, been perceived, been reacted to?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, so um I'm gonna plug a marketing leader that I follow that is amazing. She is absolutely she's doing amazing work right now. Kara Redmond, she's a backroom.io CEO founder of her own agency. She does amazing work and she just did a substack, it's on her paid substack, detailing all of the changes at LinkedIn. And this was based on just recent research. She done, like, I think she paid for research from six firms to understand what's going on with LinkedIn. So I'm not going to go through the exhaustive list, but I will share some things that people will probably be seeing. So your impressions are down. And like when I say your impressions, I'm talking about 90% of us, probably a little bit more. Our impressions are down, our reach is down. But what you should be seeing is where you might have had, let's say, 20,000 impressions a week, 10, 10,000 impressions a week, and you were only reaching maybe 2,000, 3,000 accounts. Now you should be seeing parity, which more like 55% of the impressions are in your accounts. So Madison, go and take a look right now and see. So the changes have happened. The algorithm is gone on LinkedIn. It has been replaced by two different LLMs, or two, I'm sorry, two different AI systems. One's an LLM. So and the other one is more of a recommendation engine. So how things are shifting is we are no longer seeing content from people we follow. We're seeing content based on our profiles and the topics that we read and engage on. So the biggest form of engagement now is comments. So if you see people like if you're out there commenting on people's posts, imagine this happens with us. When I comment on your stuff, like I get 7,000 impressions on a comment, right? But my post that day might get 150 impressions. So like comments are like the the best form of engagement. Personally, I didn't want to add clicks to that. So if you have something like links are are more permitted now, apparently, after these changes in I think it was late last year, beginning of this year. So links are allowed, they're not penalized like they were. But if you get clicks, like so if you think back on like display ads or any kind of advertising, it's CTR, right? That's like the first primary vanity driver. So the more clicks you have on your piece, the more saves you have, the more comments. And I'm not talking about comments like you go, congrats, woop-woop, you know, not that. Like comments that are actually like two, two, three compound sentences, right? Like you put some effort into it. The one positive thing that people should look for is AI slop is deprioritized on the platform. So you should be saying less AI slop than you did maybe six months ago. So pay attention.

SPEAKER_02

Not in my comments. I have one woman. Yeah, I have one woman who I actually think she is AI, and everything she comments is AI, but like nonsensical. But then she never responds. Like if you comment back to her, you never hear from her again. She just shows up the next day on your next post. It is so bizarre and she doesn't follow me.

SPEAKER_00

But like the it's more like focus on posts, right? So if you see the CR tag on an image, that is Lincoln's system identifying something as AI generated. So they're taking steps with that. Because I feel like in meta does meta has to do this as well. So when you have an LLM, the more slop it ingests, and if you don't protect your training data, like that system will eventually kind of collapse on its so think about it this way: like a human that ate nothing but McDonald's and like Doritos, right? What's your health outcome in 20 years? Probably not good. So if an AI ingests all the crap that it outputs, right, that people are putting into it. So like there are efforts on deprioritizing it, tagging it, making people aware that it's AI, and then to preserve their own training data set and their own LLM. So it's not ingesting its own garbage. So I mean, those are some of the core changes. The other piece, too, is blow your profiles out, right? Figure out, like if you've got to use an AI. So for me, I use um Bordy AI. So it's an agentic AI. You can do a phone call with it, but once in a while, Bordie will reach out to me and help me rewrite my headline, right? And help me kind of zhuzh up my girl. I'm just I'm on the fly here. It's alive. So I can you know get better reach, right? And can act.

SPEAKER_02

Is Chris saying that sometimes my writing reads like AI slob because I'm offended? I would never I don't know.

SPEAKER_00

She says she loves M dashesh.

SPEAKER_02

I actually naturally I very naturally love an M-dash, but that's because I have a literature degree and I die on that hill all of the time that M-dashes are part of proper grammar, and that is why AI knows about it because AI knows about proper grammar, unlike you people on the internet. God makes me so angry.

SPEAKER_00

Listen, I'm a former creative, like as a designer, m-dashes are a common element. So when people are like, it's an M-dash, here's the trick like if you're looking at somebody, I can, and I dropped this one comment on somebody's post. They were talking about how depressing it is, seeing all the AI crap on social media, every platform. And I was like, you know, we were commenting it back and forth, and I've written stuff myself that grammarly identified as largely AI, and it was completely 100% me. Right. And I feel like there are true, there are things that'll trigger it. Like if you know English really well, if you have a big vocabulary, if you know how to use punctuation and grammar, you know, all of those things, because those systems learn on that, and then they produce whatever comes out of that, right? So that's the framework that it's under. So some things look like AI, but it's really people, it's people who just write really well. So I've had that challenge myself, but in most of my writing, like it's you know, it doesn't trigger it. But when I was going through a TEFL certification, that's where like they will fail you if you use AI. And I was like, I wrote something out, but I'm like, let me check and see if it's AI. And it's like, this is AI. I'm like, god damn it.

SPEAKER_02

I'm like, I like write worse.

SPEAKER_00

It took me like four hours to rewrite it to be like more human. So I was like, all right, whatever.

SPEAKER_02

Well, it's okay. Someone challenged me, they were like, Well, if you're not AI, how did you write an M dash?

SPEAKER_01

And I was like, Oh, we would just like Apple will tell you, right?

SPEAKER_02

I was like, I wrote it in Word. Yeah, what do you mean? How did I write an M dash without using AI? They're like, Well, because when you write it here, you just get two dashes. And I was like, Yes, but when you write on a writing platform, because I write most of my content elsewhere and then I move it over, that's how you get an M-dash. AI didn't invent it. So sorry to burst your bubble.

SPEAKER_00

No, you're right. I mean, the only reason I use hyphens instead of M-dashes is I'm too lazy to learn the keyboard code to make an M-dash. That's it.

SPEAKER_02

So and I'm also too lazy to learn, so I just go do it in Word and then I copy paste. I'm not learning a keyboard code. I'm not learning, I refuse. That is where I draw the line.

Shadowbans, Blocking Trolls, Protecting Content

SPEAKER_02

And so like right now, I'm on my partner's computer and he has a I don't know, it's not a Mac. I'm struggling, I'm fighting for my life trying to type, trying to click, and I have nails like this on top of it. It's been awful. Struggle is real that the the command, all of the the keyboard codes are different, so like copy paste is different.

SPEAKER_00

I'm listening swap out the command key for the control key, you'll be fine.

SPEAKER_02

I didn't even know that was an option.

SPEAKER_00

So I know, but I have a I have a Mac for one consulting job, and then I have like everything else is PC. So I'm like, I'm toggling, and sometimes I'm like doing the looking for the command on the PC, and I'm like, where the f is it? We can't find it.

SPEAKER_02

So I pulled up my analytics, and so my impressions are 161,848 impressions and 67,915 members reached.

SPEAKER_00

Okay, so you're a little bit below 50, right? Sounds like it's in the 40s. Wait, yeah, right?

SPEAKER_02

I don't know, I'm bad at math.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, we'll have again say that.

SPEAKER_02

161. We'll go just even numbers, we'll go 162 to 68,000.

SPEAKER_00

So okay, no, you're above. Yeah, no way. Hold on, I'm sorry. No, you're below. I'm supposed to be better in math, and I'm fucking I'm not good at math at all. Yeah, so you're a little bit below, right? So you should have accounts. So it's if it's 162, you should have accounts that are somewhere between 80 and 85,000. Okay, so you're you're down. So for me, I'm above, I'm about 54.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, to be fair though, it has been known to me for a long time that I've been shadow banned on this platform. I don't know if you remember in the time of creator managers. Um, when I had a creator manager, she was like, You're too critical of the platform, so they don't want to push you forward. That's why I don't get a little blue badge. Oh well. I will I will live on with that.

SPEAKER_00

I mean, listen, it's a badge of honor. Like, I mean, for me, I had I lost a top voice for vendor management because I tore into a troll and then I lost the top LGBTQ one for whatever purpose. So, like, I'm like, okay, but you had it, you had it. It doesn't, yeah. Well, I mean, here's the thing it doesn't matter. Like, my career is not settled when LinkedIn says I know, right? My career is set on like what I've actually done. So they can keep all their badges and I'll continue to criticize the platform. I'm sure I'm on hireable there, so like they will never bring me back, you know, bring me in. I mean, even Jamie, like I was critical of Jamie Diamond on LinkedIn. So I know I'm probably on hireable at JP Morgan Chase. So, you know, people criticize.

SPEAKER_02

Well, and I, you know, my feedback when I got the feedback about being too critical of the platform, I was like, this is a platform that I operate on every day. And I said, you know, part of loving something is being critical of it. I'm critical of myself and I love myself because I want myself to be better. I just want y'all to be better. Yeah. That's it. Like when I got death threats and people showing up my house, I was like, hey, I just think it would be cool if this creator wasn't on the platform anymore because they used all of my content to get people to show up at my house and they were like, so sorry. Call the cats.

SPEAKER_00

Sorry that happened to. Yeah. No, I only had one nut on the platform. Yeah. I deleted his comment and then he found my email because once again, GEO, I'm all over the web. So yeah, he um threatened to destroy me. So I was like, okay, cool.

SPEAKER_02

Right now I have like a collection of like three men, and they're like all named Michael who show up every day. And I keep being like, I think y'all should get a group chat and leave us out of it. You can talk about me all you want in there.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah. We start a WhatsApp group or whatever the kids are using for that.

SPEAKER_02

One of them did offer to pay me to write a post about him, and I was like, I think this is a kink. This feels like a humiliation kink, and I am not participating in that because where is your wife? Where is your wife, sir? Also, if you're retired, why are you still on the platform?

SPEAKER_00

Okay, so how many people have you blocked on this platform?

SPEAKER_02

Not a lot because I am one of those people who very much I'm living my life. I want you to see how wonderful and beautiful it is, even though you think I'm poor or dumb or whatever it is. I want you to see me.

SPEAKER_00

Or don't deserve any of the stuff that you have, right? Don't forget that one.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah. Like I want you to see me with my ass out swimming with turtles. Have a good time. If that makes you mad, good. So I really only have blocked former bosses. And not because I don't want you to see me with my ass out with turtles. I just truly never want to see you again.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah. I blocked former HR people, former bosses, but I actually have like thousands. I have a block list of thousands. Really?

SPEAKER_01

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00

So when I was on Instagram, I had a huge block list, a couple thousand, LinkedIn's a few thousand. The biggest block list I had was on Twitter back then.

SPEAKER_02

I was just about to bring up how much I loved Block Party.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Be still my heart, the best app ever in creation was Block Party.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. I mean, I I was part of it. So we were part of that whole group of just collecting bad accounts and shutting them down. So you can feel free to comment, but you don't have the right to have that comment remain on my post, right? And you don't have like you can believe whatever you want to believe and believe the science is bad and math doesn't work and whatever else, but I don't have to be subjected to your bullshit. So the block button is very readily available and I use it literally.

SPEAKER_02

I'm trying to figure out where my block button even is or where your block list is. People I haven't followed. Why would I need a list of them?

SPEAKER_00

I think it's up on your account settings. You'll be able to find your block.

SPEAKER_02

I'm in my account press.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, the one thing I want to plug if you're on LinkedIn right now, which if you're watching this, you are make sure you turn off training LinkedIn's AI with your content. So every platform has that snuck into the terms and to the settings. Find the settings, look at it, and make sure you're not training anybody's LLM with the copious amounts of knowledge and content you're doing. So it is not a requirement to be on any platform. So do not train people for free.

SPEAKER_02

I looked at my block list, I don't have a time, but I do have Gary V blocked.

SPEAKER_00

Okay.

SPEAKER_02

I don't know why, but I have him blocked.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I just like I said, I just don't even argue with them anymore. I'm just like, bye. And I can't like, I mean, here's the thing like, delete some comments too. Like, some people leave really triggering things. You block your former colleagues or do oh and former colleagues after you left. I do if I really despise them. So I had I worked for a woman way back in the day as a mixed indigenous person. She referred to me as the renegade savage of the team. She said all kinds of shit to me. And then I came out in 2018 and she out at me on Facebook. So, because I had blocked her. So, like I wanted nothing to do with her.

SPEAKER_02

So that yeah, I think that I think that's a fair one.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. I was like, and I got and I found that out because somebody from my old job had connected with me, and I was like, How'd you find me? And they were like, Oh, your old boss like totally fired you up across Meta. I was like, Oh, okay, thanks.

SPEAKER_02

Cute.

SPEAKER_00

Um, yeah, she was a real winner, but yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, she's I bet you she's really fun at dinner parties.

SPEAKER_00

Really fun, yeah. I mean, she was she had she, she's like an HR manager's nightmare. Cause I mean, the language she used, I'm like, Were you born in the 20s? Like, I'm just, it was horrible. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Oh my goodness. I delete people's comments sometimes just because I know that it bothers them, like it makes them so angry. They're like, see. I was right, you delete my comment. So then I just leave another comment and then I just delete that one too. I am nothing if not super petty.

SPEAKER_00

Well, I mean, I delete comments because sometimes people say triggering shit, and I don't want people to have to relive certain things, right? So, like, if you're an ass who just goes out there and says really mean, hateful things, it's gonna be deleted, and you don't have the right to have a comment on my post. So it is what it is.

Administration Politics And Trans Safety

SPEAKER_02

We love that. So we've got about 10 minutes left. So is it time to crash out about the administration now?

SPEAKER_00

Um, yeah, a little bit. So, you know, I it's like I feel like um God, what was that one actress who said this? Like it, I can't remember the exact quote, but it's basically like I knew one day we would face some kind of fascist like regime, this autocratic bullshit. I just didn't imagine they would be so incompetent and stupid. I mean, I feel like for us, like we're going through a whole bunch of shit, you know, like the trans community is being drugged, drugged through the broken glass, like on a fucking weekly basis, and I hate it, absolutely hate it. The states are participating in there. I feel like my world has shrunk from like that into like this, you know, just because there's there's like I'm flying through Dallas to visit my daughter while she's graduating college, and I'm just like, okay, I've got to pee before I get off the plane, I've got a two-hour layover, like you have I have to know the rules of the states, you know. And I flown to Utah, you know, just recently, like I was like, oh, the woman's room's right there. And I'm like, I legally cannot go in there. I need to use the the all-gender bathroom. Thank you for for offering. You know, like people don't even know the laws that are being enacted in their name. And, you know, and it's like, and in for me as a football fan, so I'm a huge Philadelphia Eagles fan, I know I hear some cheers and booze. But watching like the birds play every weekend and seeing like no less than four or five ads, you know, talking about Kamala Harris's for they them and you know, Trumps for you and all that stuff, and beating the community down, I am grateful that these guys are as stupid, as sloppy, and then as incompetent as they are. Because if they had like, let's say, the uh Victor Orban kind of like maybe, you know, quite like competency, it could be a hell of a lot worse for all of us, you know. So like I feel like they're so hand-handed that that's about the only thing that's saving us right now from complete like annihilation.

SPEAKER_02

I shared a meme yesterday that said this administration has cured me of my imposter syndrome. And I feel that because like every day, not only am I like everything you're doing is egregious, it is also incredibly sloppy and incredibly dumb. Like this morning they really, and this has nothing not really to do with the administration particularly, but kind of that someone involved in the capture of Maduro also won $400,000 on betting on it. Yeah, you didn't think that at some point that would come full circle.

SPEAKER_01

Please.

SPEAKER_00

I mean, the one thing I'll say is like when this is all over, I need to see Nuremberg like trials for these people. I want people in prison. I want people like, I mean, don't even worry about like for like Donald Trump, he's old. I don't care if he has to serve a day in jail. What I would do is re-revoke his citizenship and put him on a plane to Moscow, right? At least even be with his uh his palate. But the rest of them, I want prison. Christy Num prison, right? You know, it's kind of like that.

SPEAKER_02

For several reasons, actually.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah, for several reasons. You know, cash patel prison. Like, I just want the whole thing, feat headset. I mean, it's just like I want them if they travel to Europe to go on that beautiful Tuscany vacation. I want like who it is, Interpol to arrest them and like in wherever they land and put them in prison. Like, that's what they deserve. You know, they don't deserve shimming off to be a pundit or anything else. They deserve to pay for the crimes. People have died, wars have been started illegally, people are missing, right? Like they were talking about alligator alcatraz, which I hate that word, but it's like that. I think it was like someone like, oh, it's gonna close. Like the tribe raped me and kind of spoke up and preventing that took them to court. I'm like, yeah, but where are like the a thousand, twelve hundred people that were there that are no longer like nobody can find them? Their lawyers can't find them. Like people are disappeared. People went to gulags in countries where, like, I'll put it together this way, like, you know, you send somebody who's LGBTQ to a an El Cefalan gulag, you know exactly what you're doing, you know, and like anything that results from that, prison. So I feel like a little bit like Fred Armison from Parks and Rec when he was the Venezuelan guy who was like, you know, you're late for the dentist appointment and don't call ahead, jail. Straight to jail. You know, you don't cook your chicken thoroughly, straight to jail. Like that's what needs to happen for this whole administration.

SPEAKER_02

So I think Chris has a great question, which is each of us sometimes get demographic specific hate. How do you absorb such specific insults and keep shining like you both do? I will say, no one has ever insulted me that had a life that I was envious of. I take that as you have other stuff going on because nothing has ever made me want to be too mean or hateful to someone on the internet except that guy from the manosphere, that I have wanted to trade places with them. Like I'm a cutie patootie all the time, and no one gets to take that from me. So that's how I kind of it's not that I absorb it, I don't absorb it because it truly doesn't matter to me.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I usually post about it. So like I was on I started a Substack knowing that they have a problem with white supremacists. I had a larger audience there, so I wanted to do that with Medium. The first day I like I actually launched the Substack, I dropped a comment about we need more humanity and marketing and maybe less AI generated crap. And this guy like just took a look at my picture and was like, looking at your photograph, what would you know about being human? So, like, as somebody who's mixed race, I get mistaken for the wrong races all the time. Like, I get, I mean, I've had people from Eastern Europe refer to me as a dog that I'm a mongrel. I'm like, they can tell by my nose, my cheekbones, my forehead, and my hair, and like every aspect of it. I mean, for me, I'll screen cap it. I might post about it to shame some people, but I like as far as I'm concerned, I'm like, listen, enjoy your life in Slovenia, right? Enjoy your beet soup or whatever you guys eat, and just you know, stay off my account and you're blocked.

SPEAKER_02

100%. I mean, I just think they're one of the things that makes me kind of sad is I just don't know how the world gets better from here because once you get the genie out of the bottle, how do you put the genie back in? And that for me is the sad part, right? Is it would be cool if we turned around like all the people who felt this way were 97 years old and were like, well, grandpa's on his way out.

SPEAKER_00

Nature's taking its care of him, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

But unfortunately, there are tons of people my age in the younger demographic. I don't know if you well, the a woman went viral a couple weeks ago because she put something on her close friends for I don't know how we know how we haven't learned yet. Things on our close friends, everybody's got screen record. And she was very young, like and just graduated from UNC fairly recently, and was like, I don't know why we're still mixing races. Apparently, none of you had parents whose parents said bees go with bees and blues go with blues or whatever, whatever she was saying. Bees with bees and dogs with dogs and colors with colors. And those are people who are going to be in the workforce with all of us. And that is the part that makes me sad is like, there's no there's no aging this out.

SPEAKER_00

No, there there never was. I mean, you know, people I think it was like a folly for people to believe that boomers will just die off and all our problems will die.

SPEAKER_02

Like they didn't raise children, yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_00

No, I mean it's like I don't like I don't know. I mean, it's such mixed feelings for me because growing up, I always had a tan, right? So, like I was never white enough, never black enough, never indigenous enough. So, like for everyone, you know, like hanging on having a white person say you're not indigenous enough is ironic and funny in itself, but like I never felt like I belonged to any set group, right? I always kind of stood out, and it's just like I don't dealt with this shit for like good god, 40 years. I think it was like in my ear like 13, 12, like when people started saying stuff. So, like after four decades of it, and people are like, Why is it so bad now? I'm like, motherfucker, like let me tell you, my life, like it was from the beginning. I mean, I remember somebody referring to me in a Spanish term that I didn't do something right with his dinn his breakfast and to come fetch it. Like, I mean, like, this is shit that happened in the 80s and 90s. So it's like it's this is the way they've always been, right? What

Hate, Allyship, And What Comes Next

SPEAKER_00

I need people to do is if you're an ally, if you're somebody who believes in equality, actual fucking equality and inclusion, and celebrating all of us, and by celebrating somebody, you're not taking away anything from anybody else. Step the fuck up. Sorry, but step the fuck up and be like, be present. Like, you will not see me at ice protests, you will not see me at any protest. Like when I go and tell you, like, don't vote for this motherfucker because it's gonna wipe out the rest of us. And you're like, Well, you know what? I kind of really want a tax cut, and you value that over the lives of people who are just trying to fucking exist. I am not protesting shit. I'm gonna sit home and when you guys finally step the hell up and get out there and like do in mass, then I'll celebrate it. But like, I am not gonna put myself at risk for anybody because like all of us who are out there talking about it, showing up, carrying a sign, doing the good work, the hard work, and the necessary work. Like, all of us can take a step back and let the people who brought this to us step the fuck up and do their job, right? You don't want it like you do it, you know what I mean? And like, unfortunately, shit's got to get so bad that those guys are just like, wow, this really sucks. Like, gas is whatever. Plus, I don't want to hear anybody gripe about 450 gas. I'm in the Bay Area, it's like 649 last time I fell up. So I know my soul is like that.

SPEAKER_02

So my parents are like training New Englanders and they like winter in Florida, which gross. But they're driving back, and my dad drives a diesel, and diesel is 772. Like, yeah, good luck to you, sir. Because that's wild.

SPEAKER_00

But that's the thing. It's like, you know, it's it's like you have to experience pain to understand the rest of us deserve life.

SPEAKER_02

And imagine your pain being as minimal as the price of gas instead of your ability to walk through this world freely and safely without wondering is the man behind me on the grape website is the man behind me aware that I'm queer? Is the man behind me racist? Like we have all these thoughts every day as women navigating the world, yeah, and that seems much scarier than the price of gas.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, it does.

SPEAKER_02

A man commented on my TikTok the other day that he was he said something about he's just very scared of generalizations. And I said, better to be scared of generalizations than be scared of men, right? Yeah, and then he messaged me privately and was like, Can you take that video about me down?

SPEAKER_01

No, with your comments with your mention, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

So we are at the top of

How To Work With Taryn

SPEAKER_02

the hour. I want to be respectful of your time. I'm so grateful for you spending this time with me, but more importantly, we like to get people paid around here. So if someone wants to work with you, what are some of the ways in which they can and how can they find you?

SPEAKER_00

Okay, so they can go to tarantale.com. I have so I'm I'm a content writer, I'm an event marketer, I work on organic social media. I'm working in GEO right now. I write for web, email, anything that you need marketing content for, I can deliver. So they can reach out to me through Tarantally. Or I think if they connect with me on LinkedIn, DM me, we'll set up a meeting. You know, for me, my meetings are like relatively cheap. So, like, people are like, You're you're asking too little. I'm like, if you need an ideation session for me, it's like 80 bucks for 40 minutes. And you get the benefit of that, and I can help you out with that. And we can talk about doing more work. Where comes some strategy? Like, I'll I'm kind of on I'll just say this strategic operator. So that means strategy plus actually doing the work. So I do both really well. So if you need to up level your marketing or you're kind of in the messy middle, I'm here to help.

SPEAKER_02

Well, if you are listening to the podcast version of this, not visually, you can find all of the links to book tapen. Meet with Karen, find Karen in the body of this podcast. But thank you so much for crashing out with me today. I appreciate it. And to all of you, thanks for crashing out. I appreciate it and enjoy your crash outs. Use them productively, and I'll see you next time.

SPEAKER_01

Thanks for having me.

SPEAKER_02

Oops, I forgot to hit end. I'm still here.