Karen Huger's First Day Out Special

Karen's still lying but are Aidan and Noah buying it? They discuss Part II to the Season 10 finale of 'The Real Housewives of Potomac' and make predictions for the reunion and future cast dynamics.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_04 0:13

Welcome back, note takers. This is Noah Aaron with the Honor Real Note Podcast.

SPEAKER_03 0:17

And this is Aiden, and I am not wearing Bays, I'm wearing blush.

SPEAKER_04 0:21

Oh well, I am wearing jailhouse braids, and today we are celebrating that Karen came home. I think you're a little tenderheaded for that. I don't know. Well, maybe I'm on a lot of pills, like you know who.

SPEAKER_03 0:35

But uh not even 30 seconds in, and you go with it.

SPEAKER_04 0:40

We're starting this off on a great foot. Uh I mean you don't even have to add allegedly because what she said it. She she sure as hell wouldn't tell us what fucking pill she was on, but she mentioned she's on it. Um but yes, today we are talking about Karen Huger. So what's funny is this is actually like even though like last week was for Potomac, was where we get to see like little updates in the ladies and everything, we found out Giselle lost that lawsuit.

SPEAKER_03 1:10

Right, and we got no storylines to talk about it. Narher talking about she don't talk to her mother, but that's for another time to drag her lack of a storyline.

SPEAKER_04 1:18

That thing. So like originally I thought that last week would be the sea the season finale, but technically this is the season finale, which is just all about Karen because it's Karen's sit-down, and it's literally called Karen Comes Home. Um, we're gonna talk, we're gonna talk about Karen's release from jail, her return home, her sit-down interview with Andy, and I think I mean I I have a feeling you have opinions. I know I have opinions.

SPEAKER_03 1:43

I I I I have some, I have some, but you know what? I will lead with the fact that I was a little underwhelmed. I mean, I don't know what I was expecting. Either more from you know, hardball on Andy's side or more, you know, honesty from Karen, but it was it was 40 minutes of Karen's mental gymnastics, and now I see why Robin was so frustrated filming with her. Do you think Robin's at home on her podcast vindicated?

SPEAKER_04 2:11

I'm sure, yeah. I mean, I'm sure Robin and Sharice have both felt very vindicated by this whole thing, even Ashley to an extent. Right. Um, because I mean a lot uh uh basically what's come from this whole thing, not even just this like specific sit-down, but just this whole ordeal of Karen getting in trouble with the law. Um, it's really like a lot of things that these girls have been saying for a decade have ended up showing being shown to be true, you know? So I'm sure a lot of them feel vindicated by all this. Uh I don't think they would ever admit to feeling vindicated because that just kind of makes them look bad to be celebrating someone going to jail. Right.

SPEAKER_03 2:50

Yeah, because I'm sure I mean I don't know about Robin, but I think Sharice, she was mostly talking shit for the show. I'm sure the fact that it came out like this, she was probably like, oh Lord, you know? Yeah. Sharice doesn't seem that, you know, malicious. Yeah, malicious. Good word.

SPEAKER_04 3:05

Yeah. Thank you, Kim Fields. Um, but yeah, so we're gonna just kind of go over. I mean, there's not really a specific structure. We're just kind of gonna go over what we watched on this episode, kind of go over the parts that maybe surprised us, that didn't surprise us, what we were expecting more of, what you know we were happy with. Um for me, I want to start that the beginning of this, like, it was a little bit of a roller coaster for me because like at first when Karen's come out of the jail, like I'm just kind of I kind of find myself cackling because it's just so ridiculous. The the damn barbed wire fence with the and everything, the the the the jailhouse braids, the the pop the paparazzian fanfare outside the jail. Uh it's all just so funny to me. But then but then like when she gets actually gets home and reunites, especially with Raven, like and her sister, it's just so emotional and intense that like you go from like cackling to like, uh you know, it's very you know somber.

SPEAKER_03 4:09

Because you get right to it, because it really is the family, you know, seeing her being able to hug her for the first time. You know, also having to do it all you know on camera while mic'd up. But I'm sure you know at this point they're all used to it. You know, Ray's been on the show for years, Raven's been on the show, it's been off. Even Miss Bridget, you know, she's on a few things, so yeah.

SPEAKER_04 4:27

She's popped up here and there.

SPEAKER_03 4:28

She's popped up here and there. I will say that I was cackling for real at Karen doing her little Princess Diana wave to the fan, to the people. Oh my god, yeah. You know, roll down the people, roll down the window. The people need to see the grand uh. Well, she didn't say that that was essentially the moment. That was essentially the moment.

SPEAKER_04 4:45

What I like, I literally like in my notes, we'll get into it as we go on, but like when Karen talked about uh her mentorship of the young ladies in the jail, I was like, not I was like, not Karen and about insisting on being in general population, I was like, not Karen is the is the grand dame of the people, she's the princess die.

SPEAKER_03 5:04

I mean, maybe she was moving in there because no one could touch her, but there are the the tipsy scoop lady or juicy scoop lady said she got her ass beat, so I don't know what the truth is.

SPEAKER_04 5:13

I don't think she got clarified. I don't think she got her ass beat. I don't I don't know. I don't either.

SPEAKER_03 5:20

So are we taking how the McDonald's just a liar?

SPEAKER_04 5:23

I mean, yeah. I I I feel comfortable saying that. I mean, she's she's friends with Kelly Dodd, so that's I feel like nothing more needs to be said.

SPEAKER_03 5:33

Yeah, that's not that's not the most credible friend you could have. I wouldn't break Bread of her at the Cheesecake Factory.

SPEAKER_04 5:40

I certainly wouldn't. Not at the Cheesecake Factory, not that good, not that good brown seated brick. Uh but yeah, so we kind of like you said, we jump right into it. You know, we see her reunited with everyone. She, you know, her sister Ray and her daughter Raven are all waiting there for her.

SPEAKER_03 6:01

And even her other song Brandon, who we barely see.

SPEAKER_04 6:04

And as Andy pointed out, why are you hiding why are you always hiding in the case? Right? Like, why does he need to be up? Yeah, like what they I mean, I feel like we've only seen him on the show like once, maybe twice before this. Because I remember in one of the early seasons. Yeah, because I remember one of their, and even Andy asks, like, who's older? You are Raven? Um, first of all, no shade to Brandon, but I mean he looks like the older sibling. That's all I'm gonna say.

SPEAKER_03 6:30

I thought that was clear from the fact that you know, like Raven was in high school when the show started, and Brandon was nowhere to be seen because he was off living life. Did you think Karen would have a minor child not accounted for? That doesn't seem like the grand um parenting ideology.

SPEAKER_04 6:44

Right. Well, I think yeah, so it's just like yeah, because I remember I remember a scene in one of the early seasons where like Karen sits down and has lunch with her son Brandon, and it's kind of awkward. You can tell he doesn't want to be on camera. Um but yeah, he's gonna be a good one.

SPEAKER_03 7:01

He showed up for this. I guess your mom's first day out specialist. You gotta get Mike right for that.

SPEAKER_04 7:06

You kind of gotta be there. But yeah, Karen comes back, she has her re her reunion with her family. It's emotional, and it's also kind of funny. Like it's like her explaining the jailhouse braids and Raven's reaction in particular is like really hilarious.

SPEAKER_03 7:20

The way she gasp took a step back.

SPEAKER_04 7:24

I mean, I think I would too if if if someone said this is like a bunch of random bitches' hair in my head right now.

SPEAKER_03 7:30

I don't know if your mother came with some braids talking about some other girls' you could look around like there was a camera filming you.

SPEAKER_04 7:39

I I'd be like, what in the hell? Well, I just love Karen though. She's like, I was in jail. Like it's basically, yeah, I had to do what I had to do. She's like, you didn't expect me to come out here, come out here with no with no hair, did you?

SPEAKER_03 7:51

Well, I mean, I I I don't know. Maybe you was rocking the you know the the the baddies wigless, Karen. But I think that that made sense. And she was excited to take a shower in her own shower after all them jail showers. I know that.

SPEAKER_04 8:03

She said, I gotta wash the jail off of me. She's like, oh lord, I have to wash the jail off. Well, yeah. I mean the show.

SPEAKER_03 8:09

I think that I was just thinking about how nice it must feel. Like, not that I want to be in jail, but like that first shower back in your shower. And I'm you know I'm sure it's such it's a relatively nice shower they got over there. I'm sure Rain made sure she had all her products there. I was probably left untouched from you know pre-jail.

SPEAKER_04 8:27

Do you think there was do you think there was any Kenya more hair care there?

SPEAKER_03 8:31

I mean, maybe some more edges from a promotional package she maybe opened once to try, but no.

SPEAKER_02 8:37

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 8:39

Um but yeah, no, I I agree with you. I bet that first shower is amazing. That first night sleeping in your bed is amazing. That first meal after jail is probably amazing.

SPEAKER_03 8:49

You think she went to Tally How?

SPEAKER_04 8:51

Oh, I don't think so, no. I think they ordered in. I think they I think they ubered Ubered something. Not Uber that I think I think they door-dash. I think they door dashed something or Uber Eats or they did something. I think they had, I think they they broke bread at the house.

SPEAKER_03 9:04

That's true. That makes sense. I know if I was coming from jail, I'd want some oxtails, some rice and peas, some plantain, some cabbage. And you know, maybe the cheesecake.

SPEAKER_04 9:14

Well, and clearly, like, post-jail life agrees with Karen because despite this sit-down being filmed only a week after she returned, she, as some people pointed out, she like went up those stairs to take a shower and came down with a facelift. Like, she's looking good.

SPEAKER_03 9:30

But by the time to do the interview, she definitely she got some touch up, but she made sure that was scheduled promptly. Because she doesn't fresh it.

SPEAKER_04 9:38

Yeah, no, she because that's the thing. Like, when she first showed up back home after being released, like she looked very different from like her normal self that we see on the show. She looked very natural and everything. But then, like, a week later, when Andy sat down with her, she definitely was glammed back up. So, I mean, the pe obviously the people that are like joking with the facelift, that's a little crazy because she she didn't recover from no facelift in a week. But um, she definitely did something, and I would love to find out like what her post-jail like refreshing like refreshment routine was.

SPEAKER_03 10:08

Maybe some shots, I don't know. Something. But she looked good even like fresh out the jail with you know a soft beat, if you will.

SPEAKER_04 10:23

Yeah. Well, and you know what's funny to me is I feel like a lot of times it whenever these like housewives, when they go to jail, a lot of times they look great when they come out. Like Teresa looked great when she came out. Uh I I can't I can't stand that that wicked witch Jenshaw, but she looked great coming out. Right.

SPEAKER_03 10:39

Maybe you know, you get to get access to some work you know, no alcohol. You drink no stripes, I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 10:46

Well, and honestly, I think a lot of these women they overdo it on the damn fillers and stuff. I think you give them a little time for their spill for their fillers to dissolve and it looks great.

SPEAKER_03 10:53

Oh yeah, especially in Jen Shah's case. But she also looks good in terms of like muscular. Like people were like, is she training to be Heather's ass? And I mean, but Gensha also seemed like somebody that would like keep themselves that like she like she enjoyed like a little kickboxing clutch or something, you know?

SPEAKER_04 11:09

Right, yeah. She always gave it to me. Well, and I I I will always say that Heather Heather Gay is a damn fool for giving up the one advantage she had, which was size. She had one advantage in that in that fight, and she gave it up. Now she's Ozempic skinny and Genshaw's prison buff and gonna whoop her ass. That's what's crazy to me. But that that that's not the topic today. The topic is the Granda. Um, but yeah, so we get to Andy coming over. It's not quite the same vibe as when Andy did his sit-down with Luann, and as people pointed out, it looks like the beginning of a cheap porno, him showing up to her front door in the middle of the day with some wine. But you know.

SPEAKER_03 11:54

This had class to it, as Janet Jackson would say. This had class to it. A little more class to it, but the the slow walk out the car to the door was given baddies very Zeus network to me. They have better background music, but if you know you play something a little rap, a little upbeat with some 808s, and it wouldn't feel like daddies because that's exactly how they do their little walk-up scene.

SPEAKER_04 12:15

Well, now that you mentioned that that that's that smirk on Ray's face when he went to open the door, he'll he he could have swung on Andy right there. Can you imagine?

SPEAKER_03 12:23

I probably gasp on like production like we're not doing it anymore. I did love how fellow pop-up.

SPEAKER_04 12:32

I did love the way that um I did love the way that that Ray that Ray Huger cackled when he saw Andy. No, and you know, Andy, ever since he went and got a face left, he looks great. What we're not supposed to talk about.

SPEAKER_03 12:54

We're not supposed to talk about Andrew. I mean, I don't you know, you you're you're better at identifying, you know, facial work than I am.

SPEAKER_04 13:00

Well, you know, I I believe, in my opinion, allegedly, Andrew Jerome Cowan got a deep plane facelift. That's what I think. And you know, you are an aesthetician. I just made that. No, no, hold on. Oh, hold on. I'm gonna get I I might get fined for impersonating a practitioner of some sort.

SPEAKER_03 13:20

A licensed practice.

SPEAKER_01 13:21

Uh uh.

SPEAKER_03 13:23

Oh, you're not licensed to do injectables in California and Oregon?

SPEAKER_04 13:27

No. I'm do I do I do injectables on the down low? Maybe, but I'm not licensed. Oh.

SPEAKER_03 13:36

Well, if you need some clients in Queens, New York, I may have some referrals for you.

SPEAKER_02 13:40

But okay.

SPEAKER_03 13:43

So we Andy throws with us a little line of questioning, getting a sense of, you know, the jail experience, how she interacted with her fellow inmates, which leads to your earlier quote written down, but she was like, you know, I got my hands on them. I was able to teach reach a few of them. Which there was the first point I kind of disagreed with what she said. She was like, it took me six decades to get here. Why are you here at 20? Which is just like I feel like, well, you know, it's maybe it's a little more forgiving to make some mistakes at 20. Well, why are you there at six?

SPEAKER_04 14:12

Right. That's what that's like to me. I've if I were one of them girls, I would have felt that was very condescending. I'm like, excuse me, bitch. Like just because you got just because you got away with it for decades.

SPEAKER_03 14:22

Right. Well, I mean, I guess it was a DUI, not like she wasn't swinging on nobody. But still, right.

SPEAKER_04 14:29

Yeah. Well, I think I I mean I put in here cause and like because Ray mentioned, like, oh, she was like the auntie, and I was like, not I was like, not auntie current helping these young girls.

SPEAKER_03 14:38

But yeah, I imagine people show some respect towards their elders. I feel like even some people have some respect. And Karen tries to move calmly. She does like to take people under her wing. We don't have a little Tallyhoe newbie strategy on the show.

SPEAKER_04 14:50

So yeah, no, that's always been her thing, is she likes to mother the girl the younger girls, and she's always, even from the beginning, she always, you know, because I mean when the show started, she was like 50. Um and she always kind of had an air that made her feel older than she was, not necessarily look older, but just feel older.

SPEAKER_03 15:09

And she kind of just had that air about energy.

SPEAKER_04 15:11

Yeah, that thing, like literally an auntie. So I feel like just with that energy alone, I could see the girls like that were in there with her, um, kind of just like falling into that role with her in that dynamic. I don't think sure. Yeah, and then I I died at Karen, like when Andy was talking about the stripping down, and she he meant like the damn makeup and wigs, and she thought he meant like an actual strip start. She's like, she's like, let's make something clear. I had my black lace bra and panty on.

SPEAKER_03 15:45

I was like, but I think I wish they thought would have talked more about like the celebrity of being in jail. Cause I thought you would at least touch on that. Like, because even if you don't know watch the show or know Karen Huger, you know, the real housewives of Potomac specifically, I don't think it's gonna be the talk of the town. Like, oh, that housewife is coming in here, that real housewife is coming in here. Like, absolutely, like you know, it's gonna be the the talk of the yard, as as you will. So I wish she spoke more about you know, I wish she spoke more about that, what the expectations were, what people thought about her, you know, how she navigated it. But we didn't really get any of that, which I would have been intrigued by. But I guess another inmate can be really soon and you know, tell their story. Yo, I'm sure people will talk once they get out. Um I wasn't there with Karen Hugo, she stole my menstrual pads.

SPEAKER_04 16:34

Well, no, and to to fucking pad up her damn toilet sea. That that gagged me when she was going and faking, still having a menstrual cycle so that she could so she could get a bunch of fucking maxi pads and pad the the toilet seat. But you know, it's smart. It's smart. I I know that the the damn taxpayers paying for that.

SPEAKER_03 16:58

Uh well I'm sure it's one ply. I'm sure it is the worst.

SPEAKER_04 17:01

That's the worst type of maxi pad. The worst. Yeah, that's true. That's true. Um, I did mention that Karen was kind of, in my opinion, Karen was kind of controlling this interview a little bit more than Andy was because she sat down, like, well, let's talk about the film. That broke the internet. And like she was kind of like in she was kind of like basically throughout the interview saying, like, okay, well, let's talk about this. Well, let's get on to this, let's get on to this.

SPEAKER_03 17:30

They take control of the narrative and the interview to say things very specifically. And if it wasn't a team and it was just her, then kudos to Karen.

SPEAKER_02 17:37

Right.

SPEAKER_03 17:37

Yeah, because it definitely felt it was a mix of Indy throwing softballs. He would do some follow-ups, but Karen would also just say grandstand and fly, you know, make things move along. And they probably only had so long, so Andy had to hit his beats.

SPEAKER_04 17:52

Yeah, but it definitely felt like she was more so in control in the interview, which whatever. I definitely it worked for me. Um, and I I died every time that they showed like footage from the arrest, the arrest footage. I feel like at the time when I first saw it, it was very much like Grand Dom, no. But like now I can laugh at it a little bit more, just the ridiculous stuff. I always cackle at the fucking her stumbling out of the cop car. Oh god, I'm lit. And the officer, yeah, you are lit.

SPEAKER_01 18:18

You are lit.

SPEAKER_04 18:20

That's that's I think that's I think the only police officer I've ever felt sorry for. I was like having to deal with her.

SPEAKER_03 18:27

I'd even feel bad for him either. It could have been more aggressive. He could have been dealing with something wild. Also, he's working in Potomic, so that's it. She I just felt like she was being a lot. She was being a lot in that that night. She was, she was, but she wasn't swinging on nobody. She wasn't swinging on nobody. You know, she definitely seemed to be show some remorse over the footage at least, and being, you know, admitted to being embarrassed about it. Yeah. Well, in my thing, we blacked out on camera. Yeah. It was wild. Well, she did not give us any follow-up into Thomas Jefferson's concubine, what that meant.

SPEAKER_04 19:04

Andy Brooklyn. I thought Andy was gonna be messy as fuck. But he was messy bringing it up. He's like, Well, when you like, what do you think when you see like the Thomas Jefferson's concubine stuff? She did not acknowledge that.

unknown 19:16

Right?

SPEAKER_03 19:17

You know what? In my family, it was in the history. I thought there was gonna be an anecdote, but right. I mean, I just sometimes when you're a blackout like that, sometimes you you just say some shit. You know? Right. Maybe she just meant like one of her descendants was Thomas Jefferson's concubine, like his little slave on the side, like somebody she's descended from. I don't know. That's the only thing that I think that could make uh a look of sense. But got lost in translation of the drunk impelless.

SPEAKER_02 19:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:46

Well, and yeah, that was one of my pressing questions, like Thomas Jefferson's concubine question mark, question mark, question mark. Well, and when they got to the archives, it was not answered.

SPEAKER_04 19:58

When they got to the arrest footage, that kind of brings me to one of my first issues with this, which is that I think Karen is a goddamn liar, claiming that neither she nor Ray saw the footage beforehand. Especially because late in the documentary, when Andy asked how her kids felt about it, she made like she blatantly admitted that her kids saw it. And I'm like, okay, so your kids are watching it, they're expressing how upset they are to you, but neither you nor Ray watched it. Right. Neither one of you watched it before.

SPEAKER_03 20:23

Ray was there before you were so right.

SPEAKER_04 20:26

But I'm just like, like, before you reject the plea. And then she like claimed that like she kept Ray out of it and everything, that he didn't advise her. I'm like, okay, girl.

SPEAKER_03 20:32

Like I just felt like you probably weren't listening.

SPEAKER_04 20:36

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:36

Because he seemed like a sensical man.

SPEAKER_04 20:39

Yeah, I definitely believe that she saw the footage and for whatever reason still decided to like reject the plea deal. I believe that. I think she's lying when she said that she never saw the footage.

SPEAKER_03 20:49

Maybe she thought it wouldn't get out, or like the judge would be leaning or something. I don't know what, but yeah, no, I don't I don't know. But it makes no sense to see that footage and reject the police.

SPEAKER_04 21:00

Yeah. But I mean Karen is like next level delusion. But um, yeah, and just like in general, like the way she kind of addressed the case didn't make sense to me at times because like um there was one point where she mentioned that she well, because like she said that after she saw the footage, she understood the sentence, and Andy was like, Well, you hadn't been sentenced yet. And she's like, Yeah, but I ended up understanding why I was being sentenced or whatever. Um, and then like later though, she said how shocked she was at how lengthy her sentence was. And I'm like, Well, did you understand it or were you shocked? Um it's like I'm in maybe there's a clarification to explain why she felt both ways. Like maybe she maybe she wasn't.

SPEAKER_03 21:43

Maybe she meant like she understood the sentencing, like being sentenced, but not like yeah, maybe, but there was like stuff like that that didn't necessarily make sense to me.

SPEAKER_04 21:53

Um, some of my other issues was just the fact that there were things that she kind of touched on but didn't go into Detail, like you know, I I still don't understand like why she couldn't like say what pills she was taking. She she claims that she could be sued. I'm like, well, why can you be sued just for saying that, like, oh, I was taking this prescription medication? Like, I don't understand like why.

SPEAKER_03 22:13

She doesn't want to get the doctor involved for like should he have prescribed her, and then maybe they can trace it down. Or maybe she was getting it on the street are from Heather Gay, who on Tot Lake 2 pass it out pills like candy. So Heather Gay, the drug dealer. Maybe it's something she doesn't have a prescription to. She's trying to die to that, or she doesn't want to get like a doctor in trouble potentially. But I don't see why a doctor would, but you know, maybe there's like some kind of thing about over-prescribing, or if she went to like a pill, a famous pill mill or something, and they don't want to get the spot blown up.

SPEAKER_04 22:45

Not not the pill.

SPEAKER_03 22:48

I never thought I would use that term in the big 2026, but well, here we are.

SPEAKER_04 22:54

And then I also was confused when she mentioned because Andy brought up the four DUIs and she corrected him saying that she's only had two DUIs. And she claimed that the other two were alcohol-related incidents, but she never elaborated on what that was. And Andy didn't really seem to ask for her to elaborate on what that was.

SPEAKER_03 23:19

Right, yeah, you were you were not like a kid, you were a very, very grown woman. Yeah, I was like, you were swinging on somebody, drunk in public. I'm assuming drunk and disorderly kinda, probably making a fool of herself, falling off a stool, said I'm the grand. Or maybe she didn't have her wallet or something, and you know, she was waiting for Ray to come before phones, before cell phones. I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 23:43

Yeah, well, another thing, and she mentioned that the one 20 years ago was a DUI. So that means the other two incidents happened post-40. So it's like, you're a 40, 50 something year old woman acting sloppy drunk in public or whatever. And you know what I'm saying? It's like shit like that where I'm like, okay, whatever you say, current.

SPEAKER_03 24:00

And admitting about the legal seafood story with Ashley, that she would go down to the legal seafood and get lit. But you know what?

SPEAKER_04 24:06

To this day, she will give Ashley because it's like it's just such a random chain.

SPEAKER_03 24:10

Doesn't that feel like a more one of them upscale chains? Like, you know, but still a kind of random ass chain.

SPEAKER_04 24:16

It felt like a modern day equivalent of you you got the Florida part right. Um that thing because she she will give Ashley her props when she has correct information, but she'll also call her out for the parts that aren't right. Right. The parts that she better spin off. Which so do you um when it comes to the question of whether or not there was somebody else in the car that fled the scene, what what do you think about that at this point? What's your opinion? I mean I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 24:45

Clearly it wasn't Ray there. Was it blue eyes? Well, because I don't necessarily side piece, boo. But where are they gonna go? They're just in the middle of the highway. But I guess everyone else on the show kind of like confirmed that the place is like four minutes from her house. So I'm thinking it's close enough to an exit or some civilization or something, but still there's a subway stop nearby. It's like suburban ass Merlin. Like, I don't yeah, where would they go?

SPEAKER_04 25:13

Well, part of me though, but part of me doesn't fully believe that there ever was anybody else in the car with her because I mean, like, they were like, Oh, she mentioned it. I'm like, Okay, but she was also blackout drunk, referring to herself as Thomas Jefferson's concubine. So I don't know if we can take every little thing that she said in that arrest footage as being like the gospel truth.

SPEAKER_03 25:30

Right. And then who would be with Karen be drunk enough to be with her but not want to drive?

SPEAKER_04 25:37

Yeah, and then like and then just like get the fuck out of there and like leave her there after she crashed the car.

SPEAKER_03 25:41

And be able to do it while drunk as how that you let drunk ass Karen drive a Maserati.

SPEAKER_04 25:46

Right. Well, and also because it seemed like I I don't remember the exact timeline, but it seems like from the the the established timeline of when the accident happened to when the police were on scene, it doesn't seem like that much time passed. I'm like, and like you said, they're not out, like they're out in like suburbia, they're not like out in the city, so it's like where did this person go? Where did they have time to get to to like not be bought it? You know what I'm saying? So like I don't know, they just felt like there was never anybody in the car.

SPEAKER_03 26:15

Yeah, you know, I always heard that, but I never thought about it too much, but it it doesn't make no damn sense.

SPEAKER_04 26:21

Yeah, that I I just feel like it's just Ashley uh clutching for clutching at little things trying to put on shit as she likes to do.

SPEAKER_03 26:31

Well, you know, she had to grasp at straws for some camera time this season because she ain't doing nothing except leading boys on. Well, I'm sure she'll start leading girls. And I still maintain a six-year-old does not need a Maserati. Call me Aegis, but I don't know if I would get in a sports car with a driver like 55 plus. Unless they're like a car person, you know, which can't yeah.

SPEAKER_04 26:53

No, I I mean I think that you just have good survival instincts, and I don't think that's anything to be ashamed of. Um I I think you want to live.

SPEAKER_03 27:03

Remember that when we're in I Know What You Did Last Summer 3, because you're gonna need to listen to me.

SPEAKER_04 27:10

Okay. Well, I mean, I feel like I'm more of the slasher movie expert, but you know what? We'll we'll play your game, we'll play your game, we'll see what happens. And I'm gonna be the big mouth character breaking the fourth wall about the meta and shit. And when you end up dead, I'm I'm gonna be giving Denise Hemphill why you gotta knife in the round. And I hope the director told you to tone it down a notch. Not dial it back.

SPEAKER_03 27:39

Um speaking of who needed to dial it back? Miss Huger. So do you believe her reframing of the alcoholism as being more of like a drug issue or you know, a compound of the two? Because she said an eye quote, I definitely had a drinking problem. I'm a person who chooses to live in lifetime recovery on both ends, being drugs or alcohol. So kind of avoiding the term alcoholic, but you know, claiming addict and also admitting to preferring NA over the drug.

SPEAKER_04 28:07

I had everything that you just mentioned was in my neck. It's like the past tense use of had a drinking problem, the preference of NA, the way she kind of kept steering, like whenever Andy would specifically bring up like alcoholism, the way she kind of kept steering it back to the pills and um kind of being like, Well, I wasn't actually drinking that much, it's just that I was mixing the alcohol with the pills. And then, of course, in the true sense of dialing it back, the drink never called to me. That was ridiculous. That was a ridiculous little the drink never called to me. Um yeah, I feel like this is personally my theory based off of like A having my own personal experience with addicts, as well as B, like seeing other women like Shannon Bador, for example, on the rails of Orange County and their kind of uh how they handle their DUI situations. And what I feel like Karen is doing here is she is laying the groundwork ahead of time to kind of give herself an out and an excuse to drink, like in the in the future. I think because the thing is, is once you accept the label or take on the label of alcoholic, like you cannot publicly drink anymore. You have to do it in secret. Like you can't go out to a restaurant and have a cocktail, and if you're on a reality, you definitely can't have a drink on camera because people are gonna call you out and hold you accountable because they're gonna be like, hey, you've relapsed. Um so I yeah, exactly. Right. So I feel like I feel like Karen is following a similar trajectory to like what Shannon has done, where Shannon basically blamed a lot of other things and never openly owned being an alcoholic. And Shannon kind of did, like, while there was still the legality going on, like did not drink on camera on the show. But once the legal shit was behind her, she did start drinking again on camera. Um and so I feel like that's what Karen's doing because now I feel like she's laid the groundwork to where if she goes back on the show and drinks, or she's seen out in public drinking and people call it out and try to hold her accountable, she'd be like, Well, my my issue is with the pills, my issue wasn't with alcohol. Um, so I can have a drink, you know, I can have a I can have a glass of wine or I can do this, you know, kind of kind of making it okay for her to continue that. Yeah, I think personally that's what I believe she would.

SPEAKER_03 30:28

Yeah, like setting up the story. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 30:33

Well, and the thing is I mean, what when I use people who are addicts, it's rarely about like the actual substance they're abusing, like what they're doing. It's more so about just the fact that they have that they're an addict and like the reason why they're doing it. Um, because plenty of addicts, you know, they'll be pill poppers at one point who've never even had a never even like drink alcohol, and then they get off the pills and they pick up alcohol and start drinking it casually. And next thing you know, they're you know, yeah, they're like getting, you know, that's the thing. So like that's the thing, it's like, and why people I think get so they might get so up in arms about terms like California sober from Mysademi Levato. Um, because I think some pe I think a lot of people, especially well, no, but I'm saying people get up in arms though when people like use that term. Um I don't think well people I think it's because a lot of people recognize that for a lot of people that are genuinely addicts, like they can't be fucking around with any of these substances. Like they're always gonna find a different substance to use, basically, in abuse. So that's like what I think the situation is with Karen. Like, I really don't, and that's part of why I question like how much she's actually learned from this, because I'm like, okay, girl.

SPEAKER_03 31:58

Right? Well, that your um spiel there has me thinking if sobriety is even possible, like being an active member of a Housewives franchise. Because I feel like you're always advised to like step away from this kind of shit that might stress you or trigger you. Yeah. And not like just the this whole job, like quite literally their job is not that their job is drinking, but they're constantly will be around alcohol, we'll be around people drinking alcohol. Because I'm sure a big step to sobriety is probably moving yourself away from you know older friends, older crowds, and exposure to drinking, and then you're gonna be on you know trips and whatnot, have a lot of pressure, having the regular stress of being a housewife, because it's not an easy fucking job. I would never sign up for it as someone who's been watching for years. So like I wonder if it's possible. Like it probably will take a tough bitch. Like, I know what's her name.

SPEAKER_04 32:46

Yeah, I think she started drinking again, though, right? Around the time she started filming.

SPEAKER_03 32:52

She was already sober when she started joined.

SPEAKER_04 32:55

I think so, yeah. She like really went off the rails that season, and then like the season after, she like got sober again, and that's when everyone stopped fighting her. But but um, yeah, so I and I feel like when you look at like Kim Richards, for example, in the early scenes of Beverly Hills, you know, she was like getting sober trying to clearly a very toxic, like bad environment for her to be in. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 33:26

Yeah, yeah, you have to quit the show. Yeah, no, no, you're you're absolutely right because that's what they advise a lot of people to do.

SPEAKER_04 33:33

You know, you probably should be able to do that. But I think if Zendaya was a housewife, he'd be like quit the show before you're kind of engaged in your addiction with people that you were drinking with or doing drugs with or whatever. You should probably stay out of the environments that you were in, like, it's best to like walk away. Because like usually if you especially if you're someone who's like more recently sober, if you're kind of going back into those environments, it's gonna like really trigger you. But I also like I don't based off of this though, like I don't even really like I don't necessarily feel like Karen has the intention of staying sober permanently, despite what she says. Like I think she will drink again. These poor women. Yeah. Well she did yeah. Oh yeah, I don't I don't even think she stated that.

SPEAKER_03 34:21

Yeah, I did appreciate that she acknowledged the fact that she could have killed somebody and that like positioning, she's thankful and grateful that she didn't.

SPEAKER_04 34:30

I do think she may not know the drunk driving part of it because I think sometimes with people that kind of do this kind of stuff, there is kind of like a defect of like like only thinking about yourself and like what the consequences are for you. Um which I to a certain extent Karen did do like seas like last season um after the DY had happened and everything, and she was kind of you know gearing up for her legal situation, she kind of mentioned like I could have died, and then like fucking Ashley of all people, like the the least moral person on the cast had to be like, or you could have killed someone else. That thing actually of all people had to point out to you that like, oh hey, you could have actually impacted other people as well. Um and I think I think it's probably a mixture of like not only ability, but also like not wanting to accept that you're the kind of person that could do that, like that could harm, like could put other people in danger like that. Right. Yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_03 35:39

Especially when she's I know, it's probably difficult internally. You know, carefully.

SPEAKER_04 35:51

I only know California and I know a lot of times like the way it goes is they'll like suspend your license. Um I think a lot of times that I think a lot of times though they'll suspend it like after you like while you're awaiting trial sometimes, I think. Does that count when you're in jail? Like or the suspension until you get out. I think in Calvin, they typically go straight to suspending your license, and then like after a certain amount of time you can get it back. Usually what it is is like you have to like a certain amount of time, like a minimum amount of time has had to have passed, and usually you've had to have paid off like whatever fines you were ordered to pay before you can go and get your license back. Um, but I know for some people, this is in California, for some people, if you're like live, like if you if your livelihood requires you to drive, sometimes they will instead of suspending your license, they'll put the the breathalyzer in the car. Right, well, I mean, yeah, but it depends.

SPEAKER_03 37:02

I mean, I don't I don't know I don't know if your livelihood required you to drive, I thought a DUI should be.

SPEAKER_04 37:11

Well, I don't you should be disqualified. Well, and you know, and and you know, when when you run for opposite, and you gotta be ready to say the the truckers are the back of the room.

SPEAKER_03 37:18

I don't know. We we we need some truck drivers that might be disqualified some of them.

SPEAKER_04 37:22

Uh whatever can be economy. Yeah, they do love you. They do love you. Um yeah, I don't like I don't know. If I went before a judge and said, like, well, I need to keep I need to be able to drive because I I'm I'm a damn board ash. I don't know if they would take that seriously or not.

SPEAKER_03 37:37

Oh, I I love the blue collar drivers and they love me and they love me.

SPEAKER_04 37:44

Yeah. Oh lord, yeah. If the if the school bus driver gets the DUI, that that bitch need to be fired.

SPEAKER_03 37:56

I'm sorry. I wasn't I was thinking like truck driver, like the school bus driver.

SPEAKER_04 38:02

I think you need to lose your job. I've got the mic school bus driver on my uh on my kids' route, on my route, uh the the the bus driver has a DUI uh uh excuse me.

SPEAKER_03 38:12

Like, you know, MTA conductor. I feel like even I don't want control, I don't want to draw, you know, head on the bus.

SPEAKER_04 38:22

See, now I feel like you're trying to hurt popularity with the blue collar. This is getting real nasty. Oh, but the route that hits the trailer park part of time is fine, huh? Well, and you know, maybe one day I will run for office when the time is right. When when I'm on Married to Medicine, I might run for office, but until then that's an accusation.

SPEAKER_00 38:44

Well, you are running for office.

SPEAKER_04 38:47

Which I guess is actually a doctor. Uh I'm sorry, dentist. I'm sorry, dentist. I just wanted to shade. I just wanted to shade heaven. I just wanted to shade heaven, lick it.

SPEAKER_03 38:58

I would require you to date a doctor first, or at least a med student. Girl, don't do dentistry. No, she's she's doing good work for her constituents. Say what you want about Dr. Heavenly, but I know she would go back to the body. And say what she got to say what I said. Like, I know she wouldn't hold back to nobody, so I would. Oh, I would have to hear the policies, but I definitely know she wouldn't just be a timid mouse. You know, uh up at the level of the house. That is what she was doing.

SPEAKER_04 39:38

That is that is damning. That is damning.

SPEAKER_03 39:44

Right? And Dr. Heavenly was saying how the guy's the incumbent she's running against hasn't even been been seen in years and doesn't even vote for himself. So go take the job, Heavenly. Go take the job.

SPEAKER_02 39:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 40:00

But you know, enough on Heavenly, but over to somebody who you know, I don't watch her show, but I do think is Heavenly, Shannon Badoer, who also recently went through a DUI.

SPEAKER_04 40:10

I think it's a mixture of things. I know that people like humility and the b they both through a similar situation timeline-wise.

SPEAKER_03 40:21

And I don't watch OC and you know, maybe something about before.

SPEAKER_04 40:27

So it was kind of like a topic of discussion from from the from jump on that season. Um, and it was fresh. Um I feel like the differences are A, Shannon showed a little bit more humility than Karen. I feel like Karen was very much coming in hot, like, I will be exonerated and denying everything and and and all this stuff, um, and still and still wanting to fight with people about it. And and having the nerve to threaten to call the police on Jacqueline talking about releasing releasing balloons into the atmosphere as a crime. Um you got a lot going on with the law already. That that's like how that's like Abby Lee Miller wouldn't always call the cops. It's like, ma'am, the cops are after you. Um but so I feel like, yeah. Ooh. I feel like Shannon showed more humility and with more like immediate remorse for like what she had done. Um and I also poor Archie, yeah. Poor Archie almost losing his life in all of this. Um but also I feel like part of it too was Shannon, it wasn't just like what Shannon did, but also what the other women did because some of the other women were vicious. Like Tamara was like relentlessly like shaming and bullying Shannon for her UI and just coming after her feet. And like freaking Jesus Juggs came on came back as well to kind of mock Shannon and you know, play in her face that she had Shannon's man and like Alexis, yeah. Um and like and at that time she was recently like dating Shannon's ex-boyfriend. Um and like Alexis was implying that Shannon's ex had footage of her drunk and would like release it and everything like that. So like they were really coming after and kind of bullying Shannon. So I feel like that made people feel bad. I know for me it made me feel bad for Shannon because of how nasty they were being to her. Versus I feel like I feel like on Potomac, aside from like Mia and Jacqueline, the women were mostly giving Karen Grace for overall. Yeah. Yeah, I feel yeah. What I feel like gotcha. Yeah, well, I f and I feel like Shannon's just an easier target to go after. She's a little she's more she's more fragile.

SPEAKER_03 42:50

She's little like OC, but Shannon doesn't seem very high up in the world. Yeah, for sure. I feel like Karen is versus Karen is the same. Karen, like the difference from them is I think with Shannon, if you poke at her, she's gonna give you exactly what you're doing.

SPEAKER_04 43:04

Versus I feel like Karen is always going to actively try to avoid giving the erection you want. So I feel like Sharon's not as easy of a nut to crack as well. She was more emotional, like she's prone to an emotional outcome. Yeah, so I feel like that's a big part of why Shannon was treated or like more well received in her DY. I mean, we can also talk about white privilege, but I mean that's a whole other conversation.

SPEAKER_01 43:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 43:29

Because I mean, ultimately, Shannon did not do a single bit of jail time. And I mean, I think also the fleet dealed out, which Karen should have done. But you know, Shannon did not do a day in I think it might have been her first, but you know, I don't know how many alcohol related incidents she had prior to that. That's definitely also though, because like Karen crashed her car into a tree. Shannon crashed her car into someone's house. That thing hurt. And she had a damn dog in the car that she I know in Orange County, so you know that I'm playing about the dog.

SPEAKER_03 44:06

Was it her first defense or her fourth? Because they're just not apples to apples. Yeah. That's true. That's true.

SPEAKER_04 44:18

Um no. Um, I don't think so. Oh, that's true. I I think they I I think they've got other things to worry about besides cutting that damn tree. Well, you didn't know what to do. You know what? At least the deer that Karen allegedly claims was there. At least the deer survived. Well. I mean, they're they're always shit.

SPEAKER_00 44:51

Oh, they're gonna take for the city.

SPEAKER_04 44:52

Well, yeah, there's always a fucking every time we see a sh every time we have a scene in Karen's backyard, there's always a fucking deer on the road.

SPEAKER_03 44:59

I'm kidding. I don't know if they have to fix the media.

SPEAKER_04 45:02

I just made that up. Not they want revenge. They got s maybe maybe Karen tried to poison them and they're just like that.

SPEAKER_03 45:09

Now there was no deer. Bravo's messy as Bravo's messy as hell for Adonegan one.

SPEAKER_02 45:23

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 45:26

And it might have been the same one. Maybe they want revenge. Maybe they want revenge. Yeah. Right. But back to Karen, just to wrap this mess up. So we got, you know, so Andy plays back old footage from the show of them discussing her legal troubles. And kind of also just getting Karen's vibe of the what she says with her cast made too reaction.

SPEAKER_04 45:49

Well, yeah, and to this day, I really like to this day, I still don't fully understand Karen's issues with Wendy and Stacy of all the fault. Because I feel like last season when Karen was going for all this, like Wendy and Stacy were like the two that went up to bat for her the most. Like overall. I don't think they defended against the other girls, like when they were talking shit about him while she wasn't around. Wendy was always the first one to be like, Karen is not here to defend herself. Like they really went up to bat for her, and then like at the end of the season, the previous season, like she randomly turned on Stacy for seemingly no reason and like wanted to fight with Stacy. And then um, and Stacy still gave her grace at that last reunion, being like maybe she didn't see it, or maybe she didn't remember it, or whatever. Um, and like I like I just I don't get why she hates Stacy and Wendy so much. Like, I don't understand. I feel like things happened off camera that nobody is acknowledging. Yeah, well, just like the well see if Oh, see that's a thing, and they would also be like, You went too far. That's the thing, is I Stacy, especially sitting right next to me talking like that, I I might just whack her. I don't know. Um Right?

SPEAKER_03 47:16

I don't think she's able to jump Stacy with the raptors. For your book, or Stacy's popularity then.

SPEAKER_04 47:21

But yeah, right now, like, yeah, last season like this. I feel like it was literally like the last like two episodes of the season. Karen just randomly took a turn against the game.

SPEAKER_03 47:29

Did you learn your lesson yet?

SPEAKER_04 47:30

You put the bottle down and want and like wanted to be evil. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 47:38

Yeah. Right? I have to scoot out my first seat. My first first seat. For your drunk ass.

SPEAKER_04 47:46

Yeah. Yeah. If Wendy ain't in jail. They're taking turns.

SPEAKER_01 48:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 48:02

I will say it seems like she's never seen it for Wendy. I can't. That pissed me off. So it's not really true. Oh, Karen doesn't want her on the shelves. He doesn't think she's a good fit. Right. That's what I say. And you know what? Maybe next season, if Wendy ain't in jail, we get Wendy versus Karen.

SPEAKER_02 48:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 48:27

They might.

SPEAKER_02 48:28

That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_04 48:30

I don't know what we can convict her with, but convict her and send her ass to jail.

SPEAKER_03 48:38

And everyone's going to jail and saving Ashley Dark.

SPEAKER_04 48:42

Sheila's got him. Sheila's got him.

SPEAKER_03 48:47

If Angel wasn't a flop, I still wouldn't mind an Angel Dominic. She's not currently living. But if Angel wasn't a flop, then Ashley would be gone, I fear.

SPEAKER_04 48:58

Okay. Well, you know what? Maybe. I don't know. Maybe Uncle Lump can take care of us. I don't know. I've trust Uncle I've trusted Uncle Lum. The only reason I don't want to be a baby. He's no Nonsense.

SPEAKER_03 49:12

Oh, no, you know, those kids. Those kids don't acknowledge their half siblings. Okay, okay. Those adults they don't acknowledge those half siblings.

SPEAKER_04 49:31

I'm like, this is ridiculous.

SPEAKER_03 49:33

Oh, maybe I'm calling it.

SPEAKER_04 49:34

Well, they probably never thought it would happen. They didn't think their dad would be dumb enough to get this bitch pregnant.

SPEAKER_03 49:39

Or maybe one of Michael's grown ass kids. I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 49:44

That's saying fuck uh in the words of in the words of Karen, procreate impregnate.

SPEAKER_03 49:48

Those adults you mean. That that was like that was I wouldn't know what to do if I was like 33 and my I had a fucking infant. So I'd be like, oh. Yeah. Oh yeah. I feel like that trial up from the TV show.

SPEAKER_04 50:17

Yeah, well it's it's interesting she said the parallel to what Monique was saying was saying this season about how she feels like being on the show prolonged her marriage to Chris because she was so busy with the show that she kind of was able to ignore their issues for a few more years. And she doesn't know if she will she deserve the chance. I don't know. Maybe it really is. She said she would she feel like she would have spiral spiral. I thought it's interesting without it. And I do feel like it's a legitimate thing with people that are like the show mixed. I feel like a lot of times keeping busy helps drivers to drink to be entertaining. You kind of see it too, like the spiral, like when they maybe get to the point where like they are less functional and they lose their job and stuff, then you see them like fall deeper into it because they don't have as much going on or as much to like keep it together for.

SPEAKER_03 51:08

That makes sense.

SPEAKER_04 51:18

Yeah, what I think also with I also think with being a public figure and having these girls coming for her and like accusing her of these things that ended up being true. I feel like there was a level of like, I'm not gonna let them be right, you know, like I'm going to keep it together. Yeah.

unknown 51:40

Right.

SPEAKER_04 51:40

Well, I think, yeah, because I mean those girls, whether they want to admit it or not, like the girls accusing her of all these things, they would probably have some more way for her to flip up.

SPEAKER_03 51:47

As Katie would say. So because these issues clearly go back 20 years before the show.

SPEAKER_04 51:52

So Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Ashley, I mean we all saw how Ashley reacted like the second the news came about about Wendy and Eddie. Like she immediately went to evil plans. That girl enjoys other people's misery.

SPEAKER_03 52:09

That's true, especially on a show like Housewives where everything was a fucking gotcha.

SPEAKER_04 52:17

It's ridiculous. I mean I would too if somebody was calling me an alcoholic. Like, really? What you do? That that that's that's I mean that's like the that's like how like gag Dorinda was at that Rony reunion when the girls started bringing up her like being a coquette. She's not she's she was sitting there gagged because I'm like, really? You're you're gonna call me a cocahead? Y'all who would you think that's a good one?

SPEAKER_03 52:48

She spent all season calling better.

SPEAKER_04 52:52

I'll be damned if I'm gonna get called an alcoholic by a bunch of people.

SPEAKER_03 52:55

As soon as I sat down on the couches, Meredith brought that shit up.

SPEAKER_04 53:01

Especially on the television. Um but yeah, no, I'm definitely interested. Obviously, I 100% Karen will be back despite the amount of people that don't want her back. Um, I think she will be back, and we're just gonna have to see how she integrates back into this group. I mean, I think it's gonna go fine with her because at the end of the day, Karen to a certain extent is like the total. You know, her allegedly. I think the thing is oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 53:35

Especially on TV.

SPEAKER_02 53:45

Right.

SPEAKER_04 53:47

Yeah. Yeah. I saw that from Angel. Well, Angel Angel. Well, yeah, because I I I know after show episode you're talking about, because it'll talk about she's like, I don't know Karen, I haven't met her, but you know, I don't based off what I've heard, which is uh a way of saying what based off what I've seen on the show. I think what I've heard.

SPEAKER_03 54:08

I think the girls will accept her with open arms.

SPEAKER_04 54:10

Done this or done that. It would have gone like that.

SPEAKER_03 54:23

Like they always want to please at least one. She didn't do the pretend to be like, oh, I never seen the shell thing. Like she was fully you could see that she was kind of excited to you know meet Karen. Angel kind of played a cool, she would just sit in there, but she's doing that a lot.

SPEAKER_04 54:39

What I think the logic is, I think the girls that try to please Giselle are trying to like hopefully get on her good side so that they don't get haze too hard. What doesn't necessarily work that well. The best it does is it buys you a season to where you just get haze in your sock please instead. But I think that's the logic there. They want to try to get on Giselle's good side so they don't get bullied. Um, and then I think though, on the flip side, the girls that go to please Karen instead, they're pleasing Karen because they know Karen will defend them as Giselle.

SPEAKER_03 55:06

Alright. But it makes sense with Karen because Karen always positions herself as like a matriarch, you know, like a team captain, if you will. You kind of won't go to the withelle, I don't see it because she just tries to act like some mean ass sorority fucking president.

SPEAKER_04 55:32

Yeah, no, I agree with you. I Tia, Nekka. Yeah. Well, I well, I definitely I just I definitely feel like Giselle and Ashley this season just like went way out of control with a beanness without Karen there to kind of keep them in check.

SPEAKER_03 55:55

But I feel like Karen's presence was missed, kind of like she definitely rang Giselle in. She I think she would have kept things moving along. She probably would have mentored Angel a little bit. Yeah, I think maybe Angel could have had a bit of a better show with. Even Kay, like I feel like it might have led to more of a Stacey jumping, but I feel like Karen would have at least kept the show moving, you know? More than Giselle did. Giselle, talented housewife, don't like her, but yeah, they're not gonna fire her. But not as much.

SPEAKER_04 56:24

She was just nasty, she was just mean spirited, you know. It was like she doesn't care enough. It was it was not fun to watch. Like, she just I don't know. Ashley is miserable. Nothing.

SPEAKER_03 56:39

Oh, yeah. Well thing, yeah. Ashley is miserable, you know. She's a very good thing. Because you know, from season one. But Wendy was doing more of that than her. But then by the end of it, like, well, if if we didn't know about the fraud, I would have been like, did Wendy check out? Did something happen? Sure. I definitely see her as the season one. I'm not much less engaged, more kind of like frantic jumping up on Stacey. But you can kind of see it's probably all on the right at that point.

SPEAKER_04 57:03

The noobs would get like annihilated. Yeah. So I don't know. Maybe we can do a talls versus smalls. Maybe we can do a talls versus smalls. I'm barely there.

SPEAKER_03 57:18

What did she have going on independently? Dating John and breaking up and dating him again?

SPEAKER_04 57:24

Yeah, no, every everyone, I feel like. I mean, Candace ain't even on the show anymore. I feel like Candace is the only one that kept her natural shot.

SPEAKER_03 57:31

Keep Tia, but they got Giselle gotta jump Tia next season. She got a show.

SPEAKER_04 57:35

Well one thing uh Angel says look like it could be real. She she just a bit she's just a big titty girl.

SPEAKER_03 57:41

I would want an old versus new girl season, but neither Tia, Kiara or Angel are strong enough.

SPEAKER_04 57:46

We don't love that for her. I I really like I I saw a lot of critiques about her about her tits spilling out of her clothes. I'm like, well then let them spill out. Let them spill out.

SPEAKER_03 57:55

They would need Candace to lead that. Not tall versus small. Well, you you you you know that that girl you introduced me to in New York, so you don't like partying with a big titty girl.

SPEAKER_04 58:06

Well, I think they all went big on that show at this point. I'll say I like to party. That'd say, shout out to you, girl, and uh and the entertainment you brought, as we'll call it. Um, those might be angels. Yeah, no, I love partying with a big titty girl. But um, if y'all also love big titty girls, uh follow us on social media. We are at on a real note pod. We we we we aren't big titty girls ourselves, but you know what? We have that spirit and that energy. We are at on a real note pod on TikTok, we're on Blue Sky, we're on X, we're we're getting more active on threads.

SPEAKER_03 58:43

It's just made me feel on the you don't feel constricted on the screen.

SPEAKER_02 58:50

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 58:50

So go keep up with us there.

SPEAKER_04 58:52

And yeah. Like I said, we're all over the place. So if you if you don't want to be if you don't want to be on TikTok getting risk, you know, risking getting ported because that app is tracking you, then feel free to look at the other apps. We're happy to have we're happy to have you there.

SPEAKER_03 59:11

Not that I posted about some of my favorite drink roles in reality TV. People giving some responses.