Bugonia Deserved Better Marketing

They thought shaving Emma Stone's head was all they needed to do and clearly they were wrong. Noah and Aidan recap what they enjoyed about Bugonia while diving into the decisions that ultimately led to a good movie being a box office flop.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:13

Welcome back, No Takers. This is Noah Aaron with the Honor Real Note Podcast.

SPEAKER_01 0:17

And this is Aiden, and I am not an alien.

SPEAKER_03 0:21

Well, are are you sure? Are you 100% sure?

SPEAKER_01 0:25

Okay. I I am. Maybe we need to facilitate a more useful dialogue here so we can understand the underlying parameters of our situation.

SPEAKER_00 0:35

Because I'm trying to help you, Noah.

SPEAKER_03 0:40

And if you didn't recognize that Therapy Speaks, that was delivered by first Emma Stone and now and now Miss Aiden. This is from we're talking about Begonia today, which is a crazy ass movie. Um it's categorized as a black comedy. It came out a few months ago in October. Uh starring Emma Jones, Jesse Plemens, and Aiden, I think it's Aiden Delbees. Um and his name is spelled the Catholic way.

SPEAKER_01 1:07

But is both of y'all spelled the Catholic way? Um I'm not gonna be considered for the role. They picked somebody, you know, regular from everyday life. But I do think I was impressed by the first role in this movie. I think I'm too cute for this movie. Like they were supposed to look a little downtrodden. Like, I don't I don't know, I could have done it. And also, like they would have to explain us being cousins, like you know, it's okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:33

Yeah, yeah. Or or or maybe they wouldn't explain it, because there was definitely some things in this movie that maybe they didn't necessarily explain.

SPEAKER_01 1:40

Uh I mean a lot wasn't explained. Even the name, I'm like, I have to go look up the name. I was like, okay. Because begonia was a folk practice in ancient Mediterranean region based on the belief that bees were spontaneously generated from a cow's carcass by extension. Fumigation with cow dogs was beneficial to the health of the hive. Which bees are a big part of the movie, and I'm sure there's a if we dive deeper into the meeting, there's something about like you know, death and connection and the system that we live in. Cause obviously they were trying to do something with the queen bees and the worker bees. Because we open up with the main character beekeeping and shit. But yeah, it's a lot, a lot of symbolism in this movie.

SPEAKER_03 2:22

See, I I don't know why I thought I thought Bagonia was a type of flower that I'd never heard of or some shit. So I was like, oh flowers. Um so I just rolled with it. I did not know.

SPEAKER_01 2:34

I just I kind of just looked that up. So I was kind of curious because I think part of my qualm with the movie was the marketing and the presentation of it, and I do think the name was also reflective of that too. Like I feel like a different name and marketing campaign, this movie would have done a little better. But to get the this just introduced the picture as a whole, if you haven't seen it or heard of it, or maybe you just saw Emma Stone walking around bogged. We're like, oh, okay. Gonya is a 2025 black comedy film directed by Yorgos Latimos and written by Will Tracy. It is an English language remake of a 2003 South Korean film called Save the Green Planet. See, that that's a that's a name where you're like, okay, I see what we're doing here. Not just like that, that's a name. That's a name. That the that's I mean, I'm just a marketer, but like, okay, that's like, okay, I see it. I understand what we're going for. I see what we're doing. You see the vision. Which, wow. You know, when you when you when you live live it out like that, it's kind of interesting.

SPEAKER_00 3:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:35

Because I remember when we were in LA, I had we had seen a few posters and shit for it, and I'm like, what is this movie even about? I literally I'm a stone being bald, and I'm confused. And then you explained it to me, and I was intrigued.

SPEAKER_03 3:46

Yeah, no, definitely. I had um one, I think the only reason I really because I mean looking at just like the regular marketing, I think the only reason I really fully understood what it was about was because I was seeing another movie and I got they showed like they showed like a very lengthy extended trailer um in the theater that I was seeing the other movie in before it started. So that kind of gave me a better idea. But yeah, if you're just like looking at just like the regular regular marketing that's out there, it's definitely kind of like, oh, this just looks like a weird movie. Right?

SPEAKER_01 4:16

Um to like seek out a trailer, unless it's like you know, on a YouTube ad, unless I'm excited about the movie, or like I'm seeing TVs, which I did not get for any of this.

SPEAKER_03 4:28

Yeah, um, but yeah, go so going into it, obviously we have that premise. It's and I I feel like they they delivered on that premise and added in obviously a lot more. Um but I guess overall, just once you knew of the premise, like we're getting ready to watch it, you know we're gonna cover it for the podcast. Like, did you have kind of like higher expectations for this movie, lower, kind of somewhere in the middle, not like no expectations?

SPEAKER_01 4:57

I will say they exceeded my expectations because I came in because we didn't we watched it like recently, so we know what the box office performance was. So I was cognizant of the fact that it didn't do that well at the box office. Yeah, but I was still intrigued by it. So I don't know. My hypothesis coming in and my hypothesis leaving it was that this movie, it's it's probably a fine movie, but it's just marketed poorly. Which I came into, I was like, I actually enjoyed it a lot more than I thought I would. Yeah, I was more intrigued by it, like, oh, it's on Peacock. Because I saw how fast it came to Peacock, I was like, oh, this movie didn't do that well. Because you know when they come to streaming quick, it's like they need to recoup some points. But I I knew we were intrigued by it. I was like, oh, let's just watch it. It was I I mean, I really just wanted to watch it. I wasn't expecting us to cover it, but I'm glad we are. But no, I liked it. I was like genuinely surprised how much I liked it. We were calculating throughout. I thought it was a good time. Like I I I I still maintain better marketing. Maybe, maybe I just want the job. Maybe I just want the job.

unknown 5:54

Right.

SPEAKER_01 5:55

Whatever studio this is, I'm I'm open.

SPEAKER_03 5:59

Maybe they maybe they should maybe they should have employed your services for this one. Maybe they should have done that.

SPEAKER_01 6:03

I think so. I would have done some, you know, some social media. I would have to basically be involved on socials. Saving their head for a$500 check on TikTok.

SPEAKER_03 6:12

Not not not you having what was it? Like when they had the the clown marketing and stuff, not you having Bob bitch is attacking people in public.

SPEAKER_01 6:20

That would be insane. But I mean, they did have that one little stunt though, where they had people save their head there and then they get a free screening of the movie. I think they I mean the ball thing was a gag. I think they leaned on it too much as like a bit.

SPEAKER_03 6:35

Right.

SPEAKER_01 6:36

Like, yeah, there was strength outside of that.

SPEAKER_03 6:40

Well, especially because I mean the the head shaving scene, I mean it happens really early on and it's like slightly acknowledged, and then it doesn't really matter that much until the very end of the movie.

SPEAKER_01 6:50

It's kind of like, oh, they cut off your hair, we can't contact you, which is like the overall theory. He's like, oh yeah. I know that's how you contact them, but it's just like you know, it's like done kind of for the shock value for the marketing of it all. Yeah. I feel like ultimately.

SPEAKER_03 7:05

Oh yeah, it's always like Yeah, I mean it's always in movies been it's always been a big deal when it's well, especially when it's uh a leading actress when they're like, Oh, she shaved her head for the role. Like, that's like a it's like a talking point.

SPEAKER_01 7:18

Oh yeah, for sure. That was a big thing in WWE like a hair versus title match or something, you would you wager your hair. And then when the woman would do it, it's a wager.

SPEAKER_00 7:27

Oh they're gonna be able to do that. Well, I'm sure they were being paid handsomely too.

SPEAKER_01 7:35

Which is like a big respect thing. It's a gag. Oh you know, seeing women with shaved heads always reminds me of wrestling because Molly Holly was one of the first women I see do that. She wanted a match in WrestleMania. She's like, I will shave my head if y'all pumped me on Mania. And they were like, oh, word, word, and she got her match. She got her match. I always think she's a match. And shout out to her, because a woman would not have had a match that year if not for her.

SPEAKER_03 7:56

I always think of that Natalie Portman movie that I never saw, but everyone made a big deal about it because she shaved her head.

SPEAKER_01 8:03

Which one was that? Black Swan?

SPEAKER_03 8:05

I don't know, I don't think so, no. I can't remember what movie it was, but I just remember I just remember there was a there was a scene of her of her getting her head shaved and crying, and that was like that that was all over the place. But I I never saw this damn movie. Oh yeah, people made such a fucking big deal about it at the time.

SPEAKER_01 8:25

I don't know why I thought you were gonna say Natalina. I'm like, what does she gotta do about Natalina? I mean makes more sense. Natalina Real baddies don't need hair. Real baddies don't need hair. I remember I mentioned Natalie Nunn, and one of my white co-workers in my last role was like, who is that? I was like, girl, don't look it up. Do not do not. You don't need to know.

SPEAKER_03 8:47

I'll say I'll enjoy your life.

SPEAKER_01 8:49

You've got through your whole life without knowing. I think you should keep it, you should keep it going.

SPEAKER_03 8:53

Right. Well, yeah, no, I don't think I don't think anyone necessarily needs to know who Natalie is.

SPEAKER_01 8:59

I think she feels opposite way. But Natalie Nunn is not in Begonia, so. Although I think she could have played the role of um Miss T is it Miss Tina, the main character's co-worker. I think she would have been a fan of that role, but that actress was, you know, had probably garnered more sympathy than Natalie Nunn could have.

SPEAKER_03 9:17

Yeah. The wild thing, yeah, no, I I think I think with Natalie Nunn, she would have, you know, to beat it up a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 9:24

But back to the question you phrased to me. What were your expectations going in?

SPEAKER_03 9:30

Um, so I I guess I had high expectations, primarily because well, A, I feel like this is kind of presented as like a very like, you know, like elevated, artsy type movie, you know, based off of like like what I had seen. That's kind of how it's presented. It's kind of like, oh, this is presented as like prestige. Um and then also like you mentioned, you know, this movie came out in October, and we very just in the last few days watched it uh when it came when now that it's available on streaming on Peacock. Um and since it came out in October, I've heard a lot of buzz about Emma Stone getting an Oscar nomination for this, and then more recently I started to hear buzz as well about James uh Clemens getting I think I Jesse, sorry. Jesse Clemens. I heard uh I started to hear buzz about him maybe getting an Oscar nomination as well. Well, nothing else. So I've heard Oscar buzz for both of them and kind of about the movie and everything like that. So I definitely like went into it thinking like, okay, like it's gonna be like some strong performances at the very least, and I feel like they delivered on that. I feel like um I feel like everybody in this movie, in my opinion, at least, I mean, there's not like a lot of people, there's like three main characters and then a lot of side characters, but yeah, um I mean, not even a lot, but two or three were lying.

SPEAKER_01 10:56

You got the pedophile ass cop and the mom, but the Alicia Silverstone don't say Alicia Silverstone. She doesn't coma, and you got the lovely black lady, Miss Tina.

SPEAKER_03 11:08

Yeah. That thing has signed it. And I wouldn't have either. That was Carlos. Um that's a I Of course you remember his name. I think I um but yeah, no, I definitely there weren't a lot of characters, but I would say that everybody kind of delivered a solid uh anywhere from a solid to a great performance. So it met my expectations in that regard. Other than that, though, I didn't I didn't necessarily have expectations of like thinking like, oh my god, I'm gonna love the story. I'm gonna love it. I just more so had expectations about like what the performances would be giving.

SPEAKER_01 11:43

That makes sense. And I guess I didn't like I had seen the buzz, but I feel like Emma Stone, she's at the level of her career, she's gonna get buzzed for a role regardless. She always gets like cruella. Jesse Plum is always new, but this is my first time really watching him in a role. I'm like, I am you are an actor. Like I was very impressed by his performance the most. I don't think Emma Stone's performance was bad, but I think he's kind of has that thing where she's so established she has awards of sort of like is this like just your baseline or is this like an exceptional performance? That's what I felt like from her. Well, I think it also I think it also So you go.

SPEAKER_03 12:18

I don't know, I was gonna say, I think it also um I think because it's Emma and you expect I feel like I feel like um someone like Jesse having less kind of exposure and stuff, you do have he kind of has the upper hand of of like you're gonna be if you feel like naturally a little bit more focused on what he's doing because you're like, oh, what's what's he gonna give, you know?

SPEAKER_01 12:39

For sure. And also I think his character was a bit easier, not easier like to execute, but like easier to maybe understand. Because with Emma was a little complex, because you're like you're trying to def you know, you know, right confuse the audience of like is she an alien or she's not? Also, spoiler alert, the bitch is an alien, which I feel like she has to be, unless the movie would just not make sense. But I don't know. That was just me coming in, like the bitch she gotta be an alien, but she is. I think she played it right sometimes, but also a lot of it could have been riding our direction, because she was doing the therapy speak thing well, and then when she like transferred, you could like you know, when she's figuring it out, when she's like, you know, the guard gets down, you kind of see a shift. But I do think you know, they were all kind of eating, and I do think Aiden for his first role, kind of being picked from nowhere.

SPEAKER_00 13:22

Right, did a great job.

SPEAKER_01 13:23

I think held held holding your own against Emma Stone and Jesse Plattmintis. I I I think it needs to be mentioned and honored. He might not be getting all the big award nominations, but throw him something. Throw him something. Right.

SPEAKER_03 13:36

I mean, I I was definitely surprised in a good way, like in a good way, um, when I looked him up and saw that this was like his very like this is like literally his film debut, his first ever role. I was like, wow, okay. And he's only like nine, he's only like 19 years old, I think. Right.

SPEAKER_01 13:52

And he did the little things very well, like the little like mannerisms, emotions, because especially that was what what his character would be doing, truthfully, in that moment. He's kind of like, Yeah, it's really Jesse Dama kind of going back and he's it's kind of there. He's kind of there. Because like throughout the story, you see Don kind of being like, Oh, is this right? Is this wrong? You know he's being coerced to it. Yeah. They clearly establish that he's a bit, you know, not fully there, and it's kind of just like writing for his cousin because they have no nobody else. So there's like a high level of trust there. I kept making Lenny of my cement comparisons while we were watching. I just think it's valid, but you know, he's definitely the sympathetic character. And you clocked the early, oh, he's gonna die. I know, I you you you know your movie beats quite well. You know your movie beats quite well.

SPEAKER_03 14:37

Right. The thing is, is I like so at the very beginning when they first established these two characters and their uh you know, as cousins and their relationship and everything, and clearly how close they are and whatnot, and that they kind of only have each other. I like immediately knew, I was like, oh my god. I like at first I didn't know which one. I was like, one of them is gonna die, and it's gonna be tragic and horrible and awful. Um, and then like as the movie progress, I was like, Oh, it's gonna be Don. I was like, it's gonna be the little one. Um I was like, he's gonna die, but I what were they getting? My idea was that he killed himself because I honestly thought that Emma's character was gonna k end up killing him. Like, I've I figured she was gonna like, especially uh during kind of that final scene before he did it, because there was a point where he kind of kept getting closer to her with the gun as she was kind of like fucking with his mind and everything. I was like, Oh, she she's gonna grab that gun and shoot you. Um like that's what I thought was gonna happen. So when he turned the gun on himself, I was like, Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 15:33

Yeah, no, I had the oh, I had to cover the screen. I was like, I can't do this.

SPEAKER_00 15:37

Yeah, I've never forgotten either.

SPEAKER_01 15:39

I thought it was gonna be like maybe the cousin set him up or like set him up to the police to buy himself more time or something, but truthfully, he wasn't he was clearly evil, the main character, but complicated evil. He wasn't like I mean, clearly like I don't know. I don't know how to put it into words, but it's like can't he was well intentioned, but you know, it was paved to hell. But he positioned himself and you kind of could see that like ethical person, well, not I don't know about ethical, but like he tried to live by good humanist values, as he said in the movie.

SPEAKER_03 16:12

Yeah, no, I think definitely he's that kind of character where it's obvious where he thinks that he's doing like the right thing or that he's doing good when it's like when you're kind of like looking at it from an outside perspective, you're like, oh, that's fucked up. Um well, especially because like I know for you, you kind of came from it from the perspective of like from the very beginning, you're like, Oh, this bitch is an alien. Um, but for me, I was kind of going back and forth on if she was actually gonna be an alien or not. Because there was like I they I feel like she did a good job playing it that way of kind of like making both a possibility.

SPEAKER_01 16:47

Um, I think they did, and yes, because there were some parts that I was doubting my conviction.

SPEAKER_03 16:54

Yeah, and I think like throughout the movie, there was parts where I was like, oh god, if if if it turns out that she's not an alien, this is real fucked up what they're doing.

SPEAKER_01 17:01

That's why I thought she had to be, because it would just be like, that's just them torturing some white bitch and being abused, abusive for no reason. As they slowly unroll the backstory of that kind of how they're all connected, it makes sense because pretty much she's a see all this pharmaceutical company who did a test on Teddy's mom, Sandy, played by Alicia Silverstone, who's kind of just like forever in a coma. And we see kind of I mean, yeah, just there. We kind of see that rabbit. And there's also like this random time they could have left this whole storyline out, truthfully, but I guess it's to kind of build up Teddy's trauma and why he's the way he is. But we also see Stavros Halkias playing Casey Boyd, a local police officer who was kind of part of the search, was Teddy's babysitter and molester in the past, which Yeah. But I thought the writing was a little off for this character. It just felt like do people talk like this? Or it just felt a little on the nose. Right. They needed it to be. But it felt like Shoehorn did with like the rest of everything going on. But I understand they need they needed some kind of police presence, or it'd be very, very unrealistic.

SPEAKER_03 18:13

Well, that's what I'm saying. I honestly I feel like literally, um I feel like literally ultimately the only purpose that character actually served was to get uh Teddy out of the house so that we could get the part basically where um Emma's character manipulates Don and he ends up shooting himself. Like I feel like that was literally the entire purpose of that character.

SPEAKER_01 18:38

That makes sense because Don had to be isolated to get to that point.

SPEAKER_03 18:42

Yeah, because he would have never left him alone with her without that particular scene.

SPEAKER_01 18:48

That's true. Okay, look at you, screen script analysis. That definitely makes sense, and they needed something to get him out. I think also another point to reinforce kind of like Teddy's not all there, all this batches happened to him, and kind of like the series of unfortunate events that led him to needing this quote-unquote revenge. Yeah, I don't know if we mentioned like the begonia title and the obsession with bees. Teddy loved beekeeping, he got all this beekeeping shit. He begin he'd be bringing honey to to the warehouse he worked at. They don't take it though. Carlos did not want Eddie.

SPEAKER_03 19:23

Yeah, yeah, no, they they produce honey, and the bees kind of have like a constant like presence throughout the movie, like you'll kind of just see them, or you'll kind of cut to them, or they're kind of just like there, like throughout the film.

SPEAKER_01 19:43

And later we reveal that she's like an actually empress alien, like the alien race. So right.

SPEAKER_03 19:49

Well, and it's interesting because throughout the movie, like Teddy's whole thing is that these aliens are evil and they're trying to destroy the human race, and yada yada yada. And then like he ends up being correct in the sense that like she is an alien and there is an alien race and everything, but it's kind of like I feel like it's kind of positioned more so that the aliens are actually very much the good guys, and they've been trying to like let humanity do their thing, and humanity just kind of keeps fucking it up. I I feel like Karen Huger right now, you've been fucking up for a whole year.

SPEAKER_01 20:21

Ooh, girl, sorry. I know the whole ending lore explanation. That's where the movie didn't really land for me. Like, I don't think they stuck to the landing. Because they kind of, you know, you get to the end. Which I love this part. The big kicker that got Emma Stone to kind of admit it, is that she finds this kind of secret torture room that Teddy has, where he has like bodies of other people who some are Andromeda, some are the actual aliens, and some are just like regular humans. So he and it's not just that he's done this before, he's been doing this, which throughout the movie he has like all of these lore theories and like things that he accepts as true, like, oh, they're airlobes, they do this, they do XYZ. But we don't really like see the path to radicalization. It's like, are you getting this from Reddit? Are you getting this from so-and-so? But then he just kind of answers that, like, oh, he's been in the field doing research for real. Like, he he is the Reddit, you know? Like, I'm sure there's other stuff to it, but we kind of like this scene establishes like, oh no, he's been in the field finding out information. Like, he's been doing this shit. Which pisses off on Shao who's like, You killed my people, bitch. She's like, How many of them were Angorita? He's like, Two bitch. What's up?

SPEAKER_03 21:29

Well, I mean, she got so lit, she forgot she had a leg injury for a moment there. She suddenly wasn't limping, and then she was limping again afterwards.

SPEAKER_01 21:35

Like, uh yeah, she forgot to keep up the act. She was like, I'm mute, I'm mute. And also, they put they light her ass up with like four like four what is it, four hundred volts? Five hundred volts? Yeah, I think it was four hundred volts.

SPEAKER_03 21:46

Well, that well, I wouldn't say she was on face. She was like the mouth and making all kinds of weird noises. But afterwards, like she was fine. I was like, that doesn't seem normal to me. I feel like I feel like

SPEAKER_01 22:00

How lights were flickering, like electronics were being impacted. You looked up nobody votes could a huge survive. They were talking about 50.

SPEAKER_03 22:06

So I think they I think they were saying there's not like when I looked it up, they said there's not like necessarily a sad amount that's considered like lethal, but they said that anything like above 40 or 50 is considered like highly dangerous. And they hit this bitch with 400. So I I'm I'm no doctor, but I feel I feel like first of all, she's not a little bit of an Andromeda. Yeah. Well I'd say I feel like for if she were a human, she wouldn't have survived that. And if she did somehow survive it, she would not just be like walking and talking like everything's good. She'd probably be a damn vegetable.

SPEAKER_01 22:37

Right. I will say with all the torture and shit going on in this movie, it wasn't as gory. I only have to block my hands, you know, in front of the screen for a few things. But you know, that's not my gospel. That's like my least favorite parts of some films. But actually, I thought it would be worse. I don't know. I thought they'd be pulling toenails out or something.

SPEAKER_03 22:53

Well, that's what we thought was gonna happen after the after they hit her with the form of volts when they go, because he like goes and he grabs some like pliers and guts down towards her feet. I was like, oh my god, he's gonna rip her toenail off, or he's gonna break her toe or something with that. Oh my god. I was like, uh I was like, oh Jesus, here we go. But then he just like cut the the restraint or whatever. I was like, oh okay. I was like pleasant surprise, small blessings. Um I feel I feel like they were they were good as far as like the gore wasn't too much, and like even like the scene where Don shoots himself, like you get a few seconds of like him putting the gun and everything, like so you know what's about to happen. Like it doesn't happen too quickly. So like if you're someone that wants to turn away, you kind of get the opportunity to.

SPEAKER_01 23:34

Oh yeah, for sure. Which I did. I mean, there was a lot of blood after that, but they could have dragged it out more, like Pearl are actually with that fucking cow carcass. I swear that was on the screen for 18 seconds.

SPEAKER_03 23:44

Right. Well, and I feel like a lot of times when like just gore happens in movies, it happens just like like within like half a sec. Like you just don't have time to look away because they like they want you to see that shit.

SPEAKER_01 23:55

Right? Evil bitches.

SPEAKER_03 23:58

One, like for me, I'm not really like I'm not someone who necessarily like loves gore. Like some people like love watching gory movies. Like that's like they're like that's like their subjonging. Oh my goodness. Well, I I don't necessarily like the my thing is like gore just doesn't bother me. Like, I don't seek out like a movie just because like oh it's gory. But like also like if it is gore.

SPEAKER_01 24:25

I mean my former friend.

SPEAKER_03 24:27

That that that that's not really gore.

SPEAKER_01 24:30

Fair, fair. I told you.

SPEAKER_03 24:32

Like in my my my my my idea, like gore is like like body limbs hanging off by a by a string or something. Like that that's gore.

SPEAKER_00 24:41

Fair.

SPEAKER_03 24:45

But um, yeah, no, I I don't necessarily seek out gore, but I also don't mind it. Like if like if a movie's gore, like it doesn't usually bother me. I will say, not related to what we're talking about right now, but I went and saw that Primite movie, and there were some gore scenes in that that did bother me a little bit. But I think it's just be I I think it's just because you know chimpanzees be really fucking bitches up like that in real life. Um I don't know about all this alien shit.

SPEAKER_01 25:08

I'm definitely not gonna go see that.

SPEAKER_03 25:11

Oh, that movie is that movie is violent. Um But yeah, back back back to Ms. Begonia with their bullshit. Um I we kind of touched on it already, but like the ending definitely it was interesting to me, like yeah, that it was interesting to me like just the transition of it all because I feel like the movie was played, I mean there was like a little bit of like funny, like there was like a little bit of comedy, there was a little bit of like stuff that's played for like last kind of like dark comedy type stuff. Um, but for the most part, like the tone of the movie was played pretty serious, and then I feel, and like kind of like grounded overall, um, in reality, and then like once we get to like the end with the alien reveal and everything like that, it really goes into this like very crazy sci-fi. Like, we see the home planet, we see the mothership, we see like we see like the crazy costuming and stuff like that of the aliens, and it's it goes into like this very like trippy, like weird space, and like I kind of liked it, but I also kind of was just like caught off guard by it.

SPEAKER_01 26:26

I didn't hate it, but I uh like I said, I don't think they stuck to the landing with everything, but yeah, we kind of go into like what I had been waiting for was like kind of like the big lord up of like you know why we did this, how we got into it. It was kind of just like even the visuals of the planet, I don't know, I don't know what I expected. I guess they were trying to position these as like I guess with andrew meetings, it's like these humanoid-looking, like highly intelligent, kind of highly classy, sophisticated kind of societies. But even it was just them walking around and fucking Snuggies. They looked like Yankees from Family Guy, but that's neither here nor there. But Amazon's multi-racial fucking committee just walk around and Snuggies. I was like, alright. I don't love the art direction of the Andromeda, you know, vibe, but it was definitely giving Elliot.

SPEAKER_03 27:11

What I kind of thought was funny, because I felt like most of the movie gave like very like kind of like gritty realism and everything. Like, even like I like I mean the house and everything, it looked very old, lived in, it looked, you know, it very worn and everything like that. And like the the characters were not really presented in like you know, very like glamorous makeup or hair, clothing choices or whatever. Like it was all very like subdued and very grounded. And then I noticed that when we got to and I in the cinematography, it was great, but then I noticed that when we got to the alien part, it felt like they were almost kind of going for like this cheesy, like 1970s like sci-fi aesthetic with it. Cause like it makes me think of like um, because my my dad grew up in the 70s, and he was like a he was a fan of like Star Wars and Star Trek and shit like that. Um, and when I see like old like 70s sci-fi footage like that, that's what that kind of reminds me of, like the costuming and the set and everything like that, the set design of the cinematography. Um so I don't know if that was like an intentional callback or if it just happened.

SPEAKER_00 28:18

I'm sure it was probably intentional, but I thought that was I thought the shift seems a little pretentious, so I'm sure he everything's intentional in his eyes.

SPEAKER_03 28:29

Oh, the the the artistry of it all. The artistry of it all.

SPEAKER_01 28:34

I'm gonna say I don't know if he was behind the marketing, but he it just seems like he was trying to make the movie insist upon it itself. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 28:42

Okay, okay, okay, Peter Griffin. Well, it at least what I've always from what I've always heard, I've always heard that uh like directors have like little to nothing, like they have little to no say in the marketing usually.

SPEAKER_01 28:57

That makes sense. It's probably the production company. But I know this is the same bitches that did a hamnet, so I know it's like uh we make movies as companies.

SPEAKER_03 29:06

We we make films, honey, not movies. Um well, and I've I've heard a lot of stories before with like various directors in various movies and stuff. I've heard a lot of stories about like directors like being super pissed with how their movies were movies were marketed or mismarketed.

SPEAKER_01 29:23

Well, I definitely would be upset too. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 29:26

Well, I remember um Diablo Cody, she directed Diablo Cody, she directed Jennifer's body. And I remember hearing about how devastated she was that the movie was basically marketed as just like Megan Fox walking around and being at the well, like it was basically just like watch Megan Fox and Amanda Seafried be lesbians and kiss, and that was kind of like the marketing because she said basically the movie was marketed towards like kind of like frat bro type like young men, and that was not that was not the audience for the movie, like young heterosexuality.

SPEAKER_01 30:08

I'm just like it's like Sicky Sweet Me today. It's like I I don't know what to tell you.

SPEAKER_03 30:13

Yeah, but I felt I felt bad for her because she was talking about how like because because of how because she'd also directed Juno and she was talking about how like because of how successful Juno was, she was basically given free reign, like make whatever movie you want. Um, so she made Jennifer's Body because that was like something she had that was like something she an idea she had had for a long time and she really wanted to do it. Um so I felt bad for her that it was marketed in a way that kind of betrayed like what the movie was actually about, and it was mismarketed to the wrong audience, and because of that it didn't perform well and kind of went unappreciated.

SPEAKER_01 30:48

I mean, I feel like it's a cult classic. Maybe don't have the commercial success, but bitches love Jennifer's body. It's more like a tumbler like cult perspective perspective.

SPEAKER_03 30:57

Oh yeah, no, that's the thing, is now it's it's got a lot of appreciation, it's gotten its flowers nowadays, but at the time it was basically just like, oh, it's a flower.

SPEAKER_01 31:05

The box office numbers were not great. Oh wow. I thought it'd be better. You know, I remember like when it came out and it was being marketed very much like Jennifer, you know, Megan Fox being hot, come watch this. Yeah. Like I thought it did much better at the box office in retrospect.

SPEAKER_03 31:20

Oh no, it was there was a pretty big flop. Well, I think a lot of people went into it expecting one thing and just got a completely different movie.

SPEAKER_01 31:31

Whenever I think about Diablo Cody, I think about that family guy bet we're still still we pretending to be on a talk show. He's like, she's an overpriced call girl who got lucky once. Talking about Juno. That's how I learned who Diablo Cody was. I immediately went and Googled her because I'm like and then Brian's like, say something nice about Diablo Cody, and Stewie Go. I envy the tattoo artist who had that canvas of arm fat to work with. Why are they lighting this lady up?

SPEAKER_03 31:59

I have no idea why they why they would have such beef with Diablo Cody.

SPEAKER_01 32:03

I don't know, maybe she declined the role on the show. Don't ask Alexa Nicholas about it. She's gonna come up with she's gonna tell something. She's gonna spin a tail. Anyway, um, to get into the lore dump of it all, this is where I'm like, alright, y'all could have came up with something else. But the whole thing is like, so the Andromedans, the humanoids that Emma Stone is, they arrived on Earth where the dinosaurs were, and then they released a virus. They're dumbasses. So then they because of this, they engineered new species in their image, human. So essentially they created humans, hoping they're like, alright, y'all will keep it in order here. Be fucked up with the dinosaurs, but y'all got it, Earth is cute, y'all got it. And then apparently some of the humans went wrong. I think they're trying to like highlight, you know, human aggression, the human symptoms, you know, all of that that people come up with today, like humans are inherently evil, blah blah blah, capitalism. So they created this bad human mutation that led to like very aggressive humans, very violent humans, and you know, leading up to the you know, the world of war and parallel and capitalism that we exist in today, and how most modern humans are from this line. And the whole thing is like, well, we tried to save y'all, but y'all can't help yourselves. And Teddy's actions were like to Michelle, like, well, clearly they don't they don't know their lesson. He done torture me, he done kill two of us. Yeah, they're done, they're done, they're out of it. And she click she does a Thano snap essentially, and then we get this final montage of then. She literally literally across the earth, like every situation, people at work, people driving, people on a construction site, people in the subway, like a birthday.

SPEAKER_03 33:37

People in the damn sauna, people in the damn sauna.

SPEAKER_01 33:40

In the damn sauna, people mid-coitus. Mid-coitus.

SPEAKER_03 33:44

Well, well, what I thought was interesting is because like they did this whole thing of her like popping the this like bubble above, like it she lived like the damn game maker in the Hunger Games. That's what I said. Uh she she popped the bubble on this like globe of the planet Earth, and then like it's like I guess immediately just everyone died. They don't really explain how or like what it did. But what I find interesting too is that like what we saw is that animals, it was just humans that were affected. So, like, animals were still alive because we saw a dog and cats and stuff.

SPEAKER_01 34:12

We did it. Because that was one of my first questions. Is this the humans? Animals get to continue too. Well, because like my immediate assumption when she's gonna be food chain now.

SPEAKER_03 34:21

That's what I want to know. One thing, yeah. My because my immediate assumption when she popped that bubble and it started showing us dead bodies, I was like, oh, did she like I don't know, did she like cut off oxygen or something and just everyone suffocated in me? Like, I don't know what happened, but clearly not because the animal's still kicking. So she did something that just impacted humans. Um, and what I thought was crazy, just the crazy irony of the whole thing, too, was the fact that like Teddy was on this mission to save the world and the human race this entire fucking movie. And then it is his damn bullshit that gets him all killed. I mean he goes like that.

SPEAKER_01 34:58

But so Teddy's whole thing that he wants to go, he wants to go have a meeting with the emperor. Like, he wanna talk to the heads up and like plead his case. But Teddy's perspective that he's like on the side of humanity, he's promoting it. I mean, I do think he's going through grave, you know, dire circumstances to kind of reach his point. You know, very, very radical, very radical. But I do think he's what kind of what they want. He kind of wants the world in order. He's a got, you know, kind of capitalism, pushed down on the little guy. He's very naturalist, humanist, as he calls himself. So, you know, maybe he would have been a good representation to go up there and meet the emperor, but I don't know if Michelle was planning on bringing his ass at all. I want to call her by her real alien name, but we don't know it.

SPEAKER_03 35:40

But I don't think she was ever planning on bringing his ass.

SPEAKER_01 35:47

Right? But their whole thing is she's like, okay, I'll bring you back. So they go back to the office towards the end of the movie. Turns out this man wrapped himself up in a dirty ass bomb. Like a suicide bomber. In case she tried some slick shit.

SPEAKER_03 36:04

I just thought I just thought, and this is the so like this whole sequence is part of what made me convince, like, oh no, she's not an alien, she's a human. Because like the way that she was just being held hostage by him, and the way like the awkwardness of how she was acting, like when they came to the office, she was talking about like she came to the office looking like she'd been beat to hell and wearing a bad wig. And and and her they walk by her sit and she's like, hi. Um they go to the office.

SPEAKER_01 36:29

I love the background of actors because everybody in the office is acting gag, looking around, like, what the hell?

SPEAKER_03 36:33

Looking into the office with the everyone's having total justified like normal people reactions to like this insanity. Um, but then just like when she's like in the office with him and he's like doing all this shit, and she's like sitting there like looking nervous, and she's typing into like the calculator, like, oh, this is how I this is how I conjure my home shit. And she's like, Oh, you gotta get into the closet and everything, and like how terrified she looks when she sees the bomb and everything. I was like, Okay, this is like that's the part that had me thinking, like, she's not a damn alien, this is just a real lady that's just trying her best to get out of this situation alive.

SPEAKER_01 37:04

You were going back and forth. At that point, well, at that point in the movie, she talked about how many of them did you kill? No.

SPEAKER_03 37:10

But the the thing, the thing is, though, is I'm there at that point of the movie, there's no ambiguity. No, I because I literally thought, especially because we cut from like when she confronts him in the basement and she's being all c like she's being like all serious and aggressive with it, and then it cuts to like that, to like the the scene of them in the office of everything. I like I was thinking like, oh, she just like put on a fucking show and like faked that bit to basically be like, I'm an alien bitch.

unknown 37:37

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 37:38

I thought she was yeah, I thought she was just playing into his damn game and trying to manipulate him, especially because like she goes in and sees especially because she went in there and saw those body parts of like, oh, she knows she's in some real fucking dame. Like she knows like this man will kill her house.

SPEAKER_01 37:52

But then why wouldn't he have done it already? Although what I thought was very interesting that we hadn't mentioned yet, like at some point he's running tests and doing all the shit on her, but he's gagged. Like they have her in the basement in some cloth, like in a random shit. After a while, he's like, Oh my god, I did not realize you were an empress. So it establishes that he has like this external information that he's very good about the Andromeda, because he did clock that she was an empress. But also funny, after that, he started treating her better. She got a dress, she got to eat dinner at the table. She got a wig. She didn't wear the wig until they left the house, but they didn't offer her one from the beauty supply. I mean, I I thought that was a funny little touch that it impacted how they treated her.

SPEAKER_03 38:31

I I personally wouldn't have put on that wig if I didn't have to. That wig was terrible. Whoa, yeah, no, it was not sitting great. I I I I I I I'd rather be bald-headed. I'd rather be a bald-headed scalywag before I wear that.

SPEAKER_01 38:44

But yeah, no, that man blowing himself up accidentally. I thought we were all over the place. So back to that scene where he walked through with a dirty bomb. She's like, okay, we're gonna call the mothership. We gotta go in this little closet to do it. Boom. That was the last thing I expected. I'm like, did he did it did he do that? Did she set it up? But pretty because it was such a dirty bomb that you know the friction and heat can potentially cause that. So that is Teddy's demise, unfortunately. Which I really wanted at least one of them to go to space. I don't know if I don't know if it was possible. I wanted one of them to go to space. Poor Don. Don was like, could I just go to space and not come back? I don't like it here. And I was like, oh, poor baby. And and that that bitch Michelle was lying her ass up. You wasn't gonna keep him there, girl.

SPEAKER_03 39:30

That's well, I think she's she's basically like, if you turn on Teddy right now, you you're gonna be good. She said you're gonna say you're gonna be there. She said, You you you just gotta turn on that bitch teddy and you're gonna be set. It felt like did you ever did you ever see that Melissa McCarthy movie Tammy?

SPEAKER_01 39:47

Girl, you know I you know I love Tammy.

SPEAKER_03 39:51

When she stuck up that fast food place and she and she's trying to turn those employees against each other, well, she's telling me I need to take you out. She's telling me to shoot you.

SPEAKER_01 40:01

She's telling me to shoot you. Uh Melissa McCarthy had a let run.

SPEAKER_03 40:06

She should have been in this movie too. She she she should have been in this movie too.

SPEAKER_01 40:11

Imagine her playing Michelle. You know, I think she's due for a serious role. I think she's due for a serious role.

SPEAKER_03 40:16

I I think she I think didn't she have it? I don't remember what the fuck it was. I definitely didn't see it. But I think she had a serious role. Oh, I think I know I think she had a serious role like a few years ago and got Oscar buzz and shit for it.

SPEAKER_01 40:29

Okay, Melissa McCarthy, good for her.

SPEAKER_03 40:32

I don't know. I want her to bring back that hairstyle, and you know what I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_01 40:37

Um, I want her and Sandra Bullock to do the heat too. They're they're both not that busy.

SPEAKER_03 40:44

Give me the heat too. I would love I would love the heat too. The heat was so good. Um But yeah, basically, yeah, he does. He blows his damn self up. We we see his we see his damn head go flying through the office. Uh that that was a crazy little practical effect.

SPEAKER_01 41:04

You know, the characters go out wild in this one. You know, blows his brains out. Um, Teddy blows himself the fuck up. And then Emma Stone destroys all of humanity.

SPEAKER_03 41:16

So that thing, that that thing, I mean we didn't even talk about the cop gets killed by the bees. Teddy just starts throwing fucking beehives at it.

SPEAKER_01 41:24

Yeah, he he fucked up his molester.

SPEAKER_03 41:26

He just the way he just threw the bees was crazy. He's just like go. He literally he turned those fucking hives into a weapon.

SPEAKER_01 41:33

And when I that bitch had just eaten a slice of cake, a big slice of cake.

SPEAKER_03 41:37

And that's so that's what I was telling you, because the bees were go, they were going off in his mouth out, and I like I was sitting there on the screen. That's what you get, you fat fuck eating that cake.

SPEAKER_01 41:45

I know he was so messy. First of all, this cake was unsliced. Like, first did he have the cake? Was it for him? Was it for MST? I don't know why he had that cake. Does he just bake in the free time with all the honey? I don't know, but it's not last season. Unsliced cake was like, oh, can I have some? The audacity. The audacity. It's not even sliced yet. You were not offered it either.

SPEAKER_03 42:05

He just saw this shit. My abuser comes up to my house and asks for cake. That's some bullshit. He earned those bee stings. He earned those bee stings. Which honestly, I feel like out of out of all the deaths, I mean, at least getting blown up, at least shooting yourself in the head, or at least whatever the fuck Emma Emma Stone did to these people. It all seemed to be like instant death. The the beast the bee death looked looked very brutal. I would not want to go that way.

SPEAKER_01 42:33

Right. But you know what? He had a comment. He had a common.

SPEAKER_03 42:36

Oh yeah, no. Oh yeah, no. He definitely he he was he was the character in this movie that there was no there was no ambiguity to his moral compass. It was like, oh, he's just bad. He just bayon.

SPEAKER_01 42:49

You know, with Teddy, there was all the ambiguity in the world. Because you know, he was pro-people, he was pro-bees, he was pro-worker, he was telling Miss Tina, like, oh, bitch, that violates oh, so you didn't know you're right, uh.

SPEAKER_03 43:03

I feel like I feel like with the cop, it's like pure evil. With Don, it's like pure like innocence. And then like I feel like with Michelle and Teddy, it's kind of like they're like these morally gray characters where it's like you're really not sure. Like, it's like their intentions are a little mixed up, they're like what they're doing. Like you kind of are unsure of like what they're actually doing. Like, I feel like they did a good job playing that.

SPEAKER_01 43:27

I don't I don't know about the and it in retrospect, the Androm, like so well, what it what is Okay, there's one thing we didn't do we didn't mention yet as the anti-freeze. So I want to do the anti-freeze, I would talk about it Oh yeah. Oh that thing and you and I want to wrap I want to wrap it all together, my thoughts.

SPEAKER_03 43:44

You and I confuse as hell with our non car asses. We're like, 'cause I I just remember I was like, What the fuck she has anti freeze in her car? And you were like, I think that's what they put in their car. And I was like, is it? You're like, I don't know, bitch, I don't have a car. Not like their husbands.

SPEAKER_01 44:00

Help the cars run. I'm like, yeah, it seems like an ample place to be, is it for it to be in the trunk. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 44:06

I guess. I guess yeah, now you explain like that, it makes sense.

unknown 44:09

Right.

SPEAKER_03 44:10

Um, but yeah, no, you you want to talk about the anti-freeze and and that and how that how she played that man into killing his own mother.

SPEAKER_01 44:15

Right? I guess she was somehow convinced him that like this is what she needed to do. And I think Michelle was trying to plan her escape. She was like, okay, maybe you go put antifreeze in your mouth. And you'll go get arrested to do that. So I don't know what he gets away with it.

SPEAKER_03 44:30

No, yeah, because what she said, because basically she convinces him, like, hey, there's this, there's this cure for your mom's ailment in the trunk of my car. It's in an anti-freeze bottle, but it's not anti-freeze. I just disguise it as anti-freeze. And she like, and she's like, that will keep that will cure her. And so he goes and takes it, he goes to the hospital with his mom's saying, he fucking puts that damn anti-freeze into her IV bag, and obviously it kills her. That was something else. That was uh that was a damn ruly daycare center, from what I could tell. Uh, because because it was just it was just popping off. But um, and then obviously he's devastating, he comes back like, bitch, fuck you. Look, you killed my mom. And she was like, no, hold on a minute, you know.

SPEAKER_01 45:15

When she flat lines, she's like, oh fuck, he jumped from the window. This nurse comes out like, hey, get back here.

SPEAKER_03 45:21

Yeah, this nurse sticking her out the window, like, wait a minute, hold on. I mean, I I I would definitely uh if I were the nurse, especially if I have the nurse on dude that's supposed to be watching this bitch, I'd be like, oh fuck, I'm in trouble now. Get back here, bitch. Uh don't don't leave me, don't leave me with this mess.

SPEAKER_01 45:37

That's what you're supposed to just get back here. Like, what do you do?

SPEAKER_03 45:40

But it set me when he confronted her, and she was and she was basically she was like, She's like, well, I assumed you would get apprehended trying to do it, and I could make my escape. I'm gonna be just what the hell. That's it. Yeah, she was shocked that he actually succeeded in killing this lady. She was like, oh. Like she clearly didn't intend for it to actually get there. That was funny. Um, but it sent me because she was basically just like, bitch, this is on you.

SPEAKER_01 46:10

I will say, like, definitely it is a black copy. The movie has a lot of comedic moments. We were cackling throughout. Yeah. It's definitely very can't. Like, I think it's a very can't movie. And it didn't stick the landing.

SPEAKER_03 46:22

Yeah. I agree.

SPEAKER_00 46:24

I think you go.

SPEAKER_03 46:26

Oh, I was gonna say, yeah, I definitely agree. I think like my overall like perspective of this movie after like watching it and having a couple days to kind of just sit with it, um, is very much that like I enjoyed. Well, they don't know. Well, wait, didn't we? Well, we we what we watched. Yeah. Look at you get lost in time and space, you silly goose. Um like them demands.

SPEAKER_01 46:52

Wow, wow, you promised me to go to space and never come back, bitch, but here I am on air. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Um with your Snuggy with the multiracial council.

SPEAKER_03 47:05

Oh, I would I would love that Snuggy, I'm not gonna lie. It looks so cozy. It looks so cozy.

SPEAKER_02 47:10

It made me look cozy.

SPEAKER_03 47:12

They then gave her that beanie, cover her ball head. It's probably cold on that shit. Uh but but um yeah, basically, I feel like I really thoroughly enjoyed the movie, the performances, the story, like everything was great, but I agree with you that the ending left a little to be desired. Uh like the ending I was not completely like satisfied with. Like, I feel like I'm satisfied with the premise of like how they wanted to end it. I just don't think that the I think the execution could have been better.

SPEAKER_01 47:40

Yeah, it just It just didn't land. I don't know if they thought I thought it through. I think this is literally such a movie concept that is like all about the journey. So I'm like overall, like in retrospect, I'm not surprised a journey was great, but then you know the arrival conclusion was not bad. You gotta wrap this up somehow, and it's probably like very difficult to like figure out there's so many.

SPEAKER_03 48:05

I mean, the story is so complicated, it's so weird, there's so many moving parts and everything. Like, I'm sure it was difficult to try to write an ending for this, right?

SPEAKER_01 48:12

But I will say, um, you had mentioned like the Andrew Medans and Michelle were morally gray, which no, I don't I guess I'm not seeing how they tried to help. It just it's just giving pretentious to me. It's giving like we're so much better. Like, we we could have done this better, but y'all not even trying to help for real. Like, because what are these experiments even doing? Y'all trying to make them superhuman or y'all been doing these experiments for 30 years, y'all the most advanced race, but it ain't helping. Nothing changed. Y'all got these humans engineered right under your fucking noses. Are y'all as smart as y'all think? Because clearly not.

SPEAKER_00 48:45

And then, like, you see it go wrong now.

SPEAKER_01 48:47

Honestly, I think MSO wasn't being petty, like, oh no, they fucked with me. He killed two Andromedans, he kidnapped me. Y'all are done. Y'all are done. I truly think she's like, fuck Earth. Like, because how are y'all trying to help? Like, what were the experiments doing? They should have explained that to me then.

SPEAKER_03 49:01

Yeah, but what complicates the whole fuck earth thing, or I'm gonna get them thing for me, is also like she like she was so emotional, like at the end when she had to do it. Like, it was almost like she didn't want to do it.

SPEAKER_01 49:12

No, no, that that's that's true. That's true.

SPEAKER_03 49:15

Like she like like her ass was tearing up knowing that she just wiped out humanity.

SPEAKER_01 49:20

Well, maybe she's true, she's the one that they have to do it, because they're gonna talk about her in the breakthrough. Look at that evil bitch blew up earth.

SPEAKER_03 49:28

Well, I don't think they really quite it seems like they don't it seems like they don't really question her around there. They're just like, oh, she's the headband. That's that's true.

SPEAKER_01 49:34

She gets she she gets to call she gets to call the shots. That's me. No, you're right. She did seem a little bit upset, but it's also just like what we out. Maybe she's upset at her failure. Because her daddy's gonna curse her out.

SPEAKER_03 49:46

Oh no, oh you oh you oh sh oh not not she's a damn Nepo baby, she inherited this company.

SPEAKER_01 49:53

She inherited the Andromeda ends. But I just like maybe it's like you know a flaw in the story overall, because like what we're y'all run all these experiments and so now how I I see that. I see that.

SPEAKER_03 50:06

And and the words of Candace, I can receive that. It's just you know maybe maybe maybe that's some comment, maybe that's some commentary on the pharmaceutical industry in general, Hidden.

SPEAKER_01 50:19

That's true. You're right, maybe it is. You know, what do you think they what do you think the director and writers are trying to say overall with this?

SPEAKER_03 50:27

I mean, I think they're I think there was honest. I honestly feel like they were trying to put in a lot of messaging here, and like they were trying to kind of like touch on a lot of subjects. I mean, I think probably the overlaying one was that humanity will destroy itself.

SPEAKER_01 50:43

Um they're very happy everyone that, you know, the capitalism's bad.

SPEAKER_03 50:48

Yeah, and I feel like and I feel like part of it, and that's part, and that's honestly part of why I did kind of hold out a certain level of openness to the fact that she might not be an alien because I was like, they I was like, I could see them wrapping it up with like, no, she's just a CEO that's destroying the fucking planet for her own game. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I feel like I could have seen it going that way based off the messaging in the movie. So I feel like the overarching theme was like, like you said, anti-capitalism, humanity will destroy itself, all this shit, you know, save the save the dambies. Um, and then I felt like they kind of mixed in a lot of other things, like they kind of like threw in a lot of other things to talk about. You know, I think there was like a little bit in there on like misogyny, I think there was a little bit on there on corporate America, there was a little bit in there on like ch childhood trauma, molestation.

SPEAKER_01 51:39

That'd be like radicalism, echo chambers, conspiracy theories, that's fitting with Teddy's character.

SPEAKER_03 51:45

Yeah, and I feel and I I like the way that like they kind of in the interactions, the more heated ones between Teddy and Michelle, they kind of had her calling him out for this like radicalization that's echo chamber, but they also had him calling her out for this bullshit corporate speak, you know, this PR spinning, this this therapy talk that goes nowhere. Yeah. Well, at the that thing, and that's what I thought was interesting, is that they were both making like very valid points, like in what and like the shit they were saying. Uh that's that's for sure. So yeah, I I think this movie honestly touched on a lot of topics. Like, I feel like it hit a lot of points.

SPEAKER_01 52:25

I know. Definitely a lot about like the information you you for yeah, definitely a lot about like the information you receive and how you kind of analyze how go about the world, but also like the methods at which you do things. Because we kind of see like both opposite ends of it, kind of like the corporate fucking evil overlord with Michelle, kind of because it's very clear she abuses her workers, you know, she's raised experiments that can kill people, you know, but put them into comas for a while.

SPEAKER_03 52:53

So she she feels like. Well, yeah, no, you it could definitely speak on it that um you know that like the regular everyday person, if you push them far enough, long enough, like you're gonna you're like they're gonna it's gonna turn into you know acts of violence and things like that.

SPEAKER_01 53:22

Right. Also, do the ends justify the means? Just like as a as an ideology. I think there's a lot of that in the movie.

SPEAKER_03 53:29

Yeah. Well, I mean, that's the end, like I said, just kind of the irony of ultimately his efforts to save the planet is exactly what or the human race is exactly what ended the human race.

SPEAKER_01 53:40

Right. But you know, I like to believe that if if if she let Teddy have the meeting, maybe they could have worked something out. Maybe they could have worked something out.

SPEAKER_03 53:48

I feel like he just he seemed he didn't really seem open to negotiation. Like he was he he was a little bit as my way or the highway.

SPEAKER_01 53:57

Yeah. Well, I think he just wanted to save humanity, but I don't think he had a clear idea of what that better felt like. But he was also very so driven by the revenge and anger in that moment, specifically towards Michelle. Yeah, maybe humanity was a ploy, but well now there's no more humans, and though those bees flew right back to them boxes, which I guess leads us to the dumbass title of begonia. The title is a different title, slightly different direction with the marketing, I think they was would have been a hit. Because the movie itself wasn't bad. Like the actual product was lovely. The ending, yeah, but like you know, there were there were things that did better that were worse movies. But over like this did not it was it was praised by critics, but from a financial perspective, it was considered a flop. It reported under it earned about 30 million worldwide against a 45 to 55 million budget, so it lost money. Because you already have to like kind of double your production budget in like the Hollywood terms. Like that's kind of like the rule of thumb people use to kind of include marketing costs or whatnot.

SPEAKER_03 55:03

So yeah. Well, because that's yeah, that's the thing is that's the thing is whenever you look up like whenever you see numbers for like budgets for movies that are like publicly available, those like never include like, or at least I don't think they really ever include like how much they're spending on marketing, it's always like a separate thing.

SPEAKER_01 55:22

Oh yeah, which I did not know for a while. I'm like, oh damn, that's a separate category. But they are getting some accolades. There are some you know nominations coming, so yeah, good for them.

SPEAKER_03 55:32

I'm really curious to see how it'll do with the Oscars, right?

SPEAKER_01 55:36

I mean, I don't know. I feel like just the performance itself might get them disqualified from like best picture and stuff. And also, I heard that that that distribution company is pushing Hamnet instead, but they do seem to be getting a lot of awards, like PGA, Gold. I think there's some Golden Globes. Have those come out yet?

SPEAKER_03 55:53

I would say, yeah, no.

SPEAKER_01 55:54

I agree. I could see Yeah, they're gonna get it from Golden Globe, musical art comedy, and then Best Actress. Yeah, and then Best Actor.

SPEAKER_03 56:03

Well, that's the thing is I could see I could see one of them, uh Jesse or Emma. I could see one of them winning Best Actor or Best Actress, but I don't really see I don't see the award, I don't see the movie really getting probably any other awards besides that at the Oscars.

SPEAKER_01 56:19

And I haven't seen like all of the stuff. I I've more you know, I'm very interested in the best supporting actress race, and I want Woody Mosaki to win. Artiana Taylor. But I haven't seen all the performances for Best Picture, so I'm not sure for them, you know, male or female, but right. Timothy Chalamey is uh Mr. Kylie Jenner is annoying me with his Marty Supreme fucking promo. I don't even know what the movie's about. I was you can't say they're not marketing that fucking movie because he is he's doing everything.

SPEAKER_03 56:46

So I have been seeing all I've just been seeing so many articles about how he didn't use a butt double in that movie. I was like, okay, like okay.

SPEAKER_01 56:59

That was like Mikey Madison's like, oh, I did all my own stuff. I was like, bitch, you're not jumping out of you not jumping out of windows, are we? That's it, that's it. You ride and you ride when you're doing a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit. I can't do it. I'm not saying it's easy, but oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 57:16

I I will say I saw that Mikey Madison, I guess, like took pole dancing class, like she like took pole dancing courses and classes and lessons and stuff for like six months leading up to doing a Nora.

unknown 57:28

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 57:28

So she she she put it in the work, but yeah, no, I agree.

SPEAKER_01 57:32

It's not a damn stunt. No, but I was just like I remember like I saw it in an Alamo draft out, so they have the little thing before the movie, and it's Mikey talking. She's like, Yeah, I did on my own stunts. I'm going into the movie like, oh, she's gonna do a like a crazy black clip out of the warehouse window or something. No, she was talking about the twerking and the pole dance. She she's she's a double, which I guess could be considered a stunt because you could get a double for that, but it was just me and not as a Hollywood bitch, like, oh this bitch is jumping out of windows, okay, girl.

SPEAKER_03 57:59

Yeah, I mean you get a double for a lot of you can get a double for a lot of things. You could have a body double for a nude scene, and that's I that's not a damn stunt.

SPEAKER_01 58:06

Oh I'm gonna get a body double with a much better body than me. See how they feel about that. Like, where'd his gut go? Like, yep, yep. Yeah. I can see a few performance nominations, maybe one of them directorial categories, you know, cinematography. Oh, the score. The score was lovely. A little over the top, but lovely. I like the score. Maybe they should get a little award for that.

SPEAKER_03 58:32

Why you I mean we mentioned it multiple times, but I loved how like because the score would just come in so abruptly and it would be so like dramatic and like like like a damn orgasmic.

SPEAKER_01 58:44

Right over the top. And it was you know how a lot of movies these days you can't hear shit, but not this one. You can hear this movie. You can hear this movie.

SPEAKER_03 58:52

One word to describe this movie. Wow.

SPEAKER_01 58:55

Wow. But and I'm not complaining. I like it. I like it. No, it was fun. And I think whatever they did with the sound mixing, the sound engineer in Bogonia, you my favorite sound engineer in Hollywood now.

SPEAKER_03 59:08

It cracked me up because there were a few times too where they would play like this dramatic like orchestra music during very like un like just during very like mundane transition scenes, but they're like, you know what?

SPEAKER_01 59:20

Orchestra music 200 200% value. Let's go.

SPEAKER_03 59:23

I mean, it would be during, but like sometimes too. It'd be like sometimes they would just play it during a moment where like nothing was happening. Like there'd be like nothing interesting happening, but they'd be like, and and I it was funny to me. Like it was very it like made me laugh and I loved it.

SPEAKER_01 59:38

It was like very a lot of dramatic instrumentals, though, not a lot of like yeah, you know, licensed music. They didn't license good luck, babe, though, for the trailer in one little scene.

SPEAKER_03 59:46

But no, and you you know chapel. You know, chapel was difficult with that, I'm sure.

SPEAKER_01 59:57

No, I don't want to be in front of it. I don't know. I mean, I don't know. I don't know. That's always something.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:02

I just I just feel like she she she she makes everything harder than it needs to be, I feel like. I just feel like she does.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:09

Yeah, but this episode's not about her, it's about another red-headed woman. Um but um to leave it off, would you recommend the viewers watch begonia, throw it on? Should they add it to the two watch list?

SPEAKER_03 1:00:23

Absolutely, especially now that it's on Peacock and it's so it's so easily accessible. Like, I would 100% recommend like you you really have nothing to lose. It's just under two hours, which is short for movies nowadays. Umadays. So I mean, it's like it's like I would say just throw it on, enjoy it. Like, I really I feel like I don't know, I can't imagine somebody like watching this and just being like, I absolutely hated that, what a waste, I'm mad. Like, I can't imagine that. Like, I feel like at the very least, you'd be like, okay, it was okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:57

You know, I I could see someone being annoyed at the ending and kind of it kind of pissing them off, but yeah. I I I I don't think I think you'll be entertained. At least entertain me.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:06

Overall, I would recommend that.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:07

You know, if you got through this whole episode, haven't watched it, you're gonna be like, no, I'm spoiled, I don't know. I still say throw it on, throw it on if you haven't seen it. Yeah, and if you had seen it in love our analysis, let us know. You want us to talk about more movies? I know it's Oscar season. Is there anything else you want us to talk about? Y'all care about the Oscars like that? Let us know. Leave a comment, DM us, rate interview on Apple Podcasts. I think Spotify have a little comment feature. We be tech we be checking those sometimes.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:30

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