Traitors Season 4 Premiere Breakdown

Reality TV Avengers is back for another season and Noah and Aidan have their thoughts on the first three episodes. Hop on the conga line and hear their thoughts on the cast, screentime and the new twists while trying to predict how this season will go.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:14

Welcome back, No Takers. It is Aiden, and Noah and I are coming back to you live from the turret. Oh, the turret. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 0:22

Well, this is Noah Aaron. I guess I'm in the turret now. You are you are in the turret, huh? And I got that special red cloak. I'm the secret, right?

SPEAKER_00 0:32

And I know your little short list would be crazy, but.

SPEAKER_03 0:36

Yeah, I write reasons why too. I wouldn't just write their names. I write bitch because not because.

SPEAKER_00 0:42

Not you giving reasons. I would, I would. Not that person walk into the little room and seeing a reason. I killed you because you got a big ass mouth, bitch. And we all know that be going to Michael. Oh. But they won't kill us. I think he's gonna last way too long, but we will get into that. But you know, if you couldn't tell by the title, our little intro, we are getting into the traitors. Season four has premiered with episodes one to three, and it is essentially the Avengers of reality TV. I think everyone is watching it, but I also just might be in a talk and reddit echo chamber of standing the traitors and waiting for the show of a year. But I've got the worst echo chambers to be work. The beginning of the year, I know the traitors is coming, and I'm gonna be entertained.

SPEAKER_03 1:30

Absolutely, yeah. No, I uh well, because you because you know I kind of just got into the traitors last season, but I really loved last season, my mom loved last season, my mom and I watched together. Um, and we we were both really excited for this season. So I was hyped, and I mean I think it was just always a given that once this season came around, we would be covering it. Like, that's just it is what it is. Like, we gotta talk about it.

SPEAKER_00 1:56

We gotta talk about the traders. Right? No, it's I think it's all anyone ever talks about. But you know, since season one in 2023, I've been all over this show. So season four is here. We're gonna get into the premiere. From now on, there will be spoilers if you haven't watched what what are you doing? It's been almost a week. Like episodes four and five are coming out tomorrow, so you need to go watch those and come back here and you know, listen to our thoughts and synthesize them with your thoughts. But without further ado, we're gonna break down the cast, give quick little thoughts on pretty much what we knew of them, what our thoughts were, how excited we were to see them back are on our screens to begin with, and then kind of get into each episode, you know, one by one. Three of them had released, so let's let's get into it, Noah.

SPEAKER_03 2:39

Absolutely. I I'm ready to talk about this because I have been I've been sitting on this since I watched the three episodes. I've been stewing, I've been I've been getting ready. Some people were really pissing me off on this show. So I'm ready to talk about all right.

SPEAKER_00 2:54

First we have Natalie Anderson, amazing race and survivor, survivor winner, San Juan Del Sor, who that's there in the era of Survivor where I was like obsessed, my peak interest. I love me some Natalie, so I am very excited to see her.

SPEAKER_03 3:10

Yes, I was rooting hardcore for her on that on that season of Survivor, and I was so happy when she won. I was hyped about it. She was one of the because there was like a there was like a little run on Survivor. I it started with the Philippines, and it went on for a while, where I just like for some reason I was like on my shit. Like first episode. I was like first episode predicting who was gonna win. It started with that sex therapist, Denise, and it kept going from there for a while.

SPEAKER_00 3:38

You really did have a good little era of predicting a winner. But you also have some first boots in there too, between, you know, so Kim and Val.

SPEAKER_03 3:45

And and they are both iconic. And I would like to invite if it so and Val, if y'all are listening, I would love for y'all to come on the podcast because I want to talk to you.

SPEAKER_00 3:55

Let's see after Val's husband flopped the traders, but you know, Natalie is feisty, she's not gonna hold back, so and she does exactly that in the show. But next up we have Jam Jam, who was from a season of Survivor we did not see, but I knew that he won. He was kind of part of an iconic trio. He was friends with Carolyn, and that's Gammer Carson. But I knew he had like good energy, he was Puerto Rican. So I was like, alright, I'm excited to see what you're about. So I heard about you on Survivor. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 4:24

No, I like you said, I haven't seen his Survivor season, but I heard I heard he was fun and whatnot, and he's definitely fun so far on the show. I feel like he's kind of like, especially during like his like commentary during the challenges and stuff, he he's really funny. Like he makes me laugh a lot. Um like his commentary is funny where it's like, oh my god, like what's going on? Or like just like some of the shit he says and the way he says it, it's just hilarious to me. But then also, like, in the moment, he can like get into it. We'll talk about it, but he can get into it at the round table, too. He's not backing down, he's not afraid.

SPEAKER_00 4:59

I know it's pretty much what I expected of him. And then we have Mark from Dancing with the Stars, who I don't want to dance with the stars, but I was like, okay, inches, okay, hair, long hair.

SPEAKER_03 5:10

Well, because he was the one that was partnered with Whitney Levitt from Mormon Wise, right? Oh, I think so. I think that makes sense. I'm pretty sure I'm pretty sure that was him. So he he's making his rounds on the on the television.

SPEAKER_00 5:22

Oh, you know, she was partnered with Mark, so they were getting their life because she he was always up on our TikTok, so he's getting memes and stuff.

SPEAKER_03 5:31

Right.

SPEAKER_00 5:31

I I want to see her on the show, but well, she she I'm sure she would do it.

SPEAKER_03 5:36

I'm sure she would do it and she would have a good time.

SPEAKER_00 5:38

If she showed up with the evil little pigtails, like what she showed up to.

SPEAKER_03 5:47

But um, yeah, no, based off what I like thought he was really he seemed really funny and entertaining and stuff when I saw his TikToks with Whitney. So I'm looking forward to seeing what else he can bring. He's been kind of quiet thus far, but I'm looking forward to it.

SPEAKER_00 5:58

Alright, I bet whenever they added Dancing with the Stars bitch to any of these kind of Avengers reality star shows. They don't give much, so my expectations aren't high, but you know, maybe he'll do some ballet or something. Okay, ballet. And next we have, you know, Aiden and Noah have a podcast, but also, you know, so does Rob, Rob Sesternino from Survivor Amazon, his 20-year long away to return to reality television. Which I I wasn't like an Amazon stan. I didn't watch it live. I had to watch it in retrospect. But you know, he was one of the OG Survivor strategists, and he's big in the Survivor Zeitgeist and Phantom because he's kind of one of the OG that's kind of one of the first podcasts I had ever like kind of known and listened to was his kind of talking about survivor way back when. So he's kind of like the pinnacle of media in the survivor space, if you're not familiar with that.

SPEAKER_03 6:48

Well, he Yeah, and he talked and like he talks about these other reality shows too. So I feel like he's he's very like well known and established, like in just like the kind of like if you're like a big reality TV fan, even if you're not necessarily a big fan of Survivor in particular, you ha you're not someone who's gone back and watched earlier seasons of Survivor, you probably recognize him or at least recognize his name. Um and yeah, I don't know. I watching the Amazon, like he was funny, like he was like okay, like it's kind of like in that it's kind of like in that when you go back and watch those like OG seasons of Survivor, it's kind of like weird to compare it to like what you see on TV nowadays because it was so different. So, I mean, he was fine though for the time. He was like entertaining, he was funny, and he was like a you know a good strategist. And yeah, I feel like whenever I've seen him kind of pop up, whether it was on Survivor All-Stars, or if I've listened to like bits and pieces of his podcast and stuff like that, he's he he's he's always seemed like he's a good time, right?

SPEAKER_00 7:42

And especially because like with Survivor, they seem to be casting like in the legend territory. And I think aside from like Carolyn and Jam Jam, those are like the newer players, but aside from them, it's like very established, known, like training survivor players. So I think that should support the ethos of who he is. Right, I agree. And next we've got Steven Coletti from Laguna Beach, and who also appeared on One Tree Hill, which they don't seem to want to credit him for his reality show, so One Tree Hill pops up under his name. But I didn't watch either of these, so the quote Kiki Palmer, I don't know who this man is, but yeah, no, I have no idea who he is.

SPEAKER_03 8:21

And I actually I hadn't because of the fact that they kept crediting him for One Tree Hill, I like had no idea he was even originally from Laguna Beach until I pulled up a cast list afterwards. It's like, oh. Right? But yeah, no, like you might not watch either show. I mean, Laguna Beach is like one of those like early reality TV shows that I never really had enough interest to go back and watch.

SPEAKER_00 8:41

Um I remember even as a kid, I would be confused, like, is this reality or is it scripted?

SPEAKER_03 8:47

Like, I was just like, huh? Right. Well, especially because Laguna Beach, from what I understand, it's kind of part of the same like almost like franchises, like the hills and stuff, right? Where it's mostly scripted.

SPEAKER_00 8:58

And I think it's a bit, you know, it's a touch older than you know, a few years above our time.

SPEAKER_03 9:03

Yeah, no, it's it's it's very early reality TV, but unlike other shows like Survivor and stuff, I've just never had a desire to go back and watch it.

SPEAKER_00 9:10

Also, it's a little boring, it's a little bachelor-coded, I think. For I think we like, you know, somebody throw a pie to quote Peter Riffin. Right. There is no conflict in this movie. Speaking of conflict, next up we have somebody who knows it quite well with my favorite housewife, Candace Dillard Bassett. Her return to reality TV after leaving the show during her property.

SPEAKER_03 9:32

Yeah, no, I I mean, pretty much from the moment there was like whispers about Candace being on the show, I was excited for it because I don't in my mind, like I didn't really know for sure. Because in my mind, I was like, okay, she could like be really good at this or really bad at this. I was like, but either way, whether she's good or bad at the game, I was like, I know she's gonna be entertaining while doing it. So I was really excited for Candace to come back and be on the show.

SPEAKER_00 9:57

I know I was so excited to have her return. I know if you listen to the podcast, you know I'm a Candace fan. If you know me in real life, you know I'm a Candace fan. And if you don't, you won't know now. But I'm so excited to see her. We know she can bring it all. I know she has the gift of the gab. She might even talk a little too much, but I think it's right up her alley. She's very smart, and so it would be entertaining. She knows how to deliver a show. Absolutely. And then next up we got Ron Fuchs, actor and comedian. Some of his famous credits are Trolls and current comedy series Alute. He also has a podcast based on wrestling called One Fall with Ron Fuchs. Or Funksh. Which I know he's a wrestling fan. Okay, but yeah, I did not know Ron before this, but I know I I love some color in the house, so go Ron.

SPEAKER_03 10:47

NBC, more colorful. Um, no, I I did not know who Ron was. Um, I like him so far, though, on the show. We'll get into it, but based off the three episodes we've seen, I like him so far. So I I would say my first impression of it of him is a good one.

SPEAKER_00 11:06

I mean, we'll we'll get him on the show, but I don't know. On the show, he reads as do you have a TBI? Is that mean to say?

SPEAKER_03 11:18

Oh, yeah, I feel I feel like he we'll talk about it, but he made a major fumble, but I can really I can fully understand like why he did it.

SPEAKER_00 11:25

Oh yeah, for sure. Next up, we got Mora Higgins, Love Island UK, who I never saw her cease on Love Island, but she presents for Love Island USA After Sun sometimes. I've seen her on like random Peacock bits. But I didn't know her. I thought she was pretty, and that usually when they cast like the random UK girl, it's usually pretty like someone pretty sharp, like the Ekin Sue archetype almost. Like she was an entertainer, so I figured that she wouldn't be bored if they were choosing her of all the Love Island people and of the all the UK people.

SPEAKER_03 11:56

Right.

SPEAKER_00 11:58

I don't think the activities are high, but I would say from the first few episodes, like I've been very impressed. Like she's fun. She's smart too, cunning.

SPEAKER_03 12:06

Yeah, she's smart, she's fun. Um, I find her I find her accent like super endearing, like the way she talks. Um, I I find her she almost kind of gives me. I'm not saying she's like I'm not saying she has to realize like the same personality or she's gonna do the same thing, but like kind of the vibe she gives me, like, remind me a little bit of Gabby from last season.

SPEAKER_00 12:29

I was yeah, I was gonna say that. Well, someone else looks like Gabby to the point where I almost forgot them when I was like, is Gabby back? And I was like, oh no, that's just Tara. But she's definitely kind of taking up the archetype. Alright. Next up, we got Donna Kelstie, Travis and Jason Kelsey's mother. Potentially Taylor Swift's mother-in-law. Yeah, if if they make it down the aisle. Um they are engaged with it.

SPEAKER_03 12:54

I shouldn't have said potentially. Well, you know, you you never know. Sometimes engagements break off. Sometimes engagements break off. You never know. Don't come for us, Swifties. Um they're not listening to this. That's true. They don't listen to this. They're they're too busy running Starbucks scams to get her streams up. I don't know. Um But um, yeah, Donna Kelsey. So I mean, obviously, like I kind I like, I mean, I kind of knew who she was because I was like, okay, that's that that's Travis Kelsey mama. Um but I mean, I didn't really know anything about her besides the fact that it's like, okay, that's Travis Kelsey mama. Like, that's all I really knew about her going into this. Um, but I I was intrigued though to see like kind of how she would mesh with this group of people and like kind of like in this world of like competitive reality television, um, especially with her being, you know, by far the oldest.

SPEAKER_00 13:46

Right. You know, all I knew was her was like, okay, that's Travis Kelsey mama. But I will say on the show I liked how she was kind of presented as kind of like a reality TV super fan. She watches around reality TV, she knows everyone. So it's almost like a fan thrown into the experience, which I thought was like fun to watch.

SPEAKER_03 14:03

Yeah. And she and she's cute. Like she's a cute, like old lady, you know?

SPEAKER_00 14:07

Yeah, no, she looks sweet. Like, she's gonna make you some cookies and that's someone said in the show.

SPEAKER_03 14:12

I I love that they call her Ms. Donna. I'm like, okay, respect. Right? Hey, Miss Donna.

SPEAKER_00 14:17

I mean, I fan with mostly the black people, but and next up we have Kristen Kiss from Top Chef, who I didn't see her season the top chef, but I knew she was the one who replaced Pan Malakshmi as the host. So when I saw her character, okay, that's that's the that's the cute lesbian who holds top, at least I hope she's a lesbian. But she's hot, like she's cute to look at, she's good looking. Oh, that's the hot lesbian I hope that holds top chef.

SPEAKER_03 14:45

Why why would you think that lady's a lesbian? You know why. You know why. Don't do me. She does kind of give power dike, um, but oh, is that bad? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I'm I mean, you do the anime, I'm gonna leave that up to you. Oh, I'm gonna leave it in, it's not going nowhere. Uh I'm a stand in. Okay, she's a standard.

SPEAKER_00 15:09

She is a lesbian and has been openly out since 2014.

SPEAKER_03 15:12

Oh, thank God.

SPEAKER_00 15:15

I mean, it's just uh yeah. She's wearing a blazer in the promo photo.

SPEAKER_03 15:23

Skate women can't wear a blazer. I didn't say that.

SPEAKER_00 15:30

I'm not sure you're trying to misrepresent me. You're trying to misrepresent me.

SPEAKER_03 15:34

I just know that some of the young I I just know that some of the young professional millennial women that listen to this are they're looking at the outfit they picked out for tomorrow at work and they're like, now wait a damn minute. You know, it's just the way she's wearing the blazer. But um, yeah, no, I I I've never watched like any top shop. I've never really been into like cooking shows, to be honest. Um that's just not my vibe. Um, unless unless it's like fucking the two shots of vodka lady making a fool of herself. That's the only kind of cooking show I watched. Yeah, Miss Miss Aunt Sandy. Um, but that's the only kind of show I watch um with cooking. So I didn't know who she was, but yeah, no, I saw her, I was like, okay, I was like, and like kind of she hasn't been super like like a mega screen time hog or anything like that. Like she hasn't been on screen that much in these first few episodes, but like the vibes I got from her, I was like, okay, she's like, she knows what she's doing, she's here to play.

SPEAKER_00 16:32

Right? No, she seems cool, she seems smart. I look, I think it's interesting to go from like host to contestant in the reality TV space. Right. I'm wondering if she like as a career move. I mean, I think cooking shows are a total different gag. Maybe she just really wanted to do to, you know, to do the show. But I guess she was a contestant before, but I I wonder how she'll make that kind of like switch or how it's like for her mentally. I think that's interesting.

SPEAKER_03 16:55

Yeah, well, I think that's that's one thing is I feel like one thing that I love about the traders is it genuinely seems like most of the people that are on it like are really excited to be on it.

SPEAKER_00 17:04

Yeah, I know for sure. And no one's taking it for granted, like, oh let me just go get this money. The appearance speeds I'm sure are good, but the bonus money is also good.

SPEAKER_03 17:13

It it kind of reminds me of like the Celebrity Apprentice where a lot of those celebrities were like really hyped to be on it.

SPEAKER_00 17:18

Oh yeah, it really is the modern version because that was camp. It was fun.

SPEAKER_02 17:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:24

Oh TBT. Is that real? Because he wasn't gonna be the fucking president.

SPEAKER_02 17:29

That bitch.

SPEAKER_00 17:32

Well, next up we got Tara Lipinski, famous, you know, figure skater, which I'm a summer Olympics gymnastics kind of gay. I don't watch the winter girls, but I knew her name. I knew her name. You know what? I I I I respect an Olympian, so I'm like, okay, girl, you got a medal. You got medals. Oh, does she have medals? Oh, you know, she's an Olympic champion.

SPEAKER_02 17:53

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 17:54

Well, I mean, I I don't do anything really sporty or sports, including the Olympics. So I didn't necessarily like know her, but I actually I don't remember where from, but I I mean probably just from seeing her on the television. But I recognized her face. I was like, okay, I know you. Not you. Okay, you you you're the lady. You're the lady. Yeah, you're the l, you're the lady on the television.

SPEAKER_00 18:14

Right? Go yeah, she also does commentary for NBC Sports for the figure skating now, so it makes sense. NBC does traitors, she had the connection in. I'm sure she was like, Well, I want to do traitors, so put me up. I'm sure there's like an incremental audience of the figure skating girl, the world of it. I'm watching for Tara. Because there's more people watching for oh, the okay pop boys than I expected. I was like, oh, okay.

SPEAKER_03 18:38

Well, I think, yeah, she um, I mean, she definitely so far has been like, at least from what I've noticed, like almost non-existent in the edit for the show. But yeah, every now and again, I every now and again though, I see shots of her like looking at people, like, and it looks like she's possibly think it feels like she's piecing shit together. We'll talk about the the chess moment, but when we get to it, but I don't know. I think her I think I think her brain's moving, she's just being quiet.

SPEAKER_00 19:03

She is quiet, she's always in the back. That's the point. She's the one I thought was Gabby. I was like oh that's just Tara. Who is that? I was standing looking at the camera, like the screen. Like, who is that?

SPEAKER_03 19:13

She does have a kind of a gab, she her her and Gabby do have some similar features. I see it.

SPEAKER_00 19:18

Yeah, there's kind of like a distant shot. It was, you know. And we have returning Dorinda Medley from the hospital of New York City. Which I I I'm I'm glad she's getting her moment. I'm glad they were like, you know what, Dorinda, we're bringing you back.

SPEAKER_03 19:30

Yeah, I'm I'm I'm glad she I'm glad she's getting another chance because I mean I've criticized Dorinda a lot on this podcast, I feel like. Um, but I also feel like her time definitely cut felt like way too cut, like cut way too short last time, I think.

SPEAKER_00 19:49

I know, I agree. I know I love a Sagittarius housewife, but Dorinda does not back down on her play game, so she's the fun mix of the cast. Let me try to see what she does this time.

SPEAKER_03 20:04

Yeah, no, I'm excited. I feel like it I definitely, at least based on these first few episodes, it definitely feels like she absolutely learned from her mistakes last time and has corrected them. So that m that gives me a lot of hope for her possibly going far and and you know doing so and doing some interesting stuff in the game.

SPEAKER_00 20:22

Alright. Next up we got Tiffany Mitchell from Big Brother, who I didn't see her season of Big Brother, but she's from the famous cookout season where the alliance of five black people got to the final five and were turning up and had the first black winner in Big Brother history. I have seen her seasons of the challenge USA. She's definitely a gamer. She wants to be messy, she wants to be in this T. She wants to be in the strategy, and she's a good confessionalist, she's entertaining, so I was excited to see her in this environment.

SPEAKER_03 20:52

Yeah, no, I I mean I've never been a big brother person, so I really didn't I I knew nothing of her going into this, but I all yeah, def after the few episodes, um, I already like her quite a bit. I I find her I find her entertaining. Like you said, I feel like she's like she's definitely a really good mix. She's definitely a great reality, like a great person for like a competitive reality TV show because she does have like the gameplay smarts, the personality. She can deliver the entertainment factor without being extra. Like it doesn't feel extra or forced or rehearsed or anything like that. Like she just kind of seems like an entertaining personality. Um and it all mixes together really well. So I I'm enjoying her so far on the show.

SPEAKER_00 21:34

I don't know. She's she's giving it, she's giving it.

SPEAKER_03 21:37

And and she's from Detroit, Michigan, so you you know we love a girl from Detroit.

SPEAKER_00 21:42

We do love Stacey in Kenya, so next up, she should link up with them. Next up, we got Monet Exchange, season 10 of RuPaul's Drag Race, came back to win season four of Drag Race All Stars, and was the runner up of season seven of All Stars, and also the co host of. Podcast Sibling Rivalry with season three traitors Bob the Dragweed. So good little connections of traitors. Great podcast. I know Monet, I wasn't Monet like a bigger fan of the reality shows than Bob. Or maybe as equally, but I know Monet's been a fan from what I've heard.

SPEAKER_03 22:18

Yeah, no, Monet is definitely a big fan. I mean, Monet watches a lot of reality shows, but she's definitely a big fan of traders. And I oh I always love Monet on Drag Race, and I love Monet's arc on the show because she was kind of well, I mean, A, she New York, I mean, New York uh city tends to produce like really great drag queens and especially great drag queens for drag queens.

SPEAKER_00 22:38

I agree. I agree.

SPEAKER_03 22:39

One thing, yeah, no, the the New York girls on drag race are always on point. Um, but when she first came on drag race, she was kind of one of them budget queens. Like she was the one that came on, wasn't wasn't it?

SPEAKER_00 22:49

Oh, she know how to sell, she knew how to sell.

SPEAKER_03 22:52

No, she knew how to sell. That's the thing, though. She didn't have the money, she didn't have the money though to have all these custom-made fits like some of the other girls um coming into it. And she she because she had the the infamous sponge dress made out of damn sponges. Oh I'm looking that up. But she like her glow-up across her seasons of drag race, so iconic. And she is a hell of a lip synchrono and a performer, uh, just all around uh drag race baddie. So we we love Monet Exchange over here.

SPEAKER_00 23:22

Alright, I'm already impressed when I can see in the episodes, but I think I said it when we talked about you know the last season, but it makes sense drag queen's such a natural transition to reality TV just because of what they have to do. Entertaining a crowd, all the crowd work, and knowing you know how to entertain the space, how to, you know, see the vibe in the room. So it's no surprise a successful drag queen is navigating the traders quite well from an entertainment standpoint. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:48

And and I'm I'm I'm sure I'm sure Bob gave her plenty of advice. Right.

SPEAKER_00 23:53

And next up we got fine ass Eric Nam, who is described as a beloved Korean artist with a fandom called Nom Nation. It was on Korea's Star Audition, Birth of a Great Star 2 in 2011. But I guess it's brought the fandom from there. But I know this man, but I like looking at him on the screen.

SPEAKER_03 24:11

One thing I know, I didn't know him. I mean, he does the he does have his own Wikipedia page, which not everyone on the show can say that. Um37.

SPEAKER_00 24:20

I was like, God damn. You look at 37.

SPEAKER_03 24:23

I was about to say I didn't know his age until right before we started recording this podcast. I was like, what the hell? But it's that damn it's that damn.

SPEAKER_00 24:30

But you know the dude the them Koreans love some work. Them Koreans love some work.

SPEAKER_03 24:34

Well, that's the thing, and the damn Korean skincare, it's some of the best skincare in the world. It is. But they've been using that leech and shit, so but I I like him on the show, and definitely like his his appearance as well as his kind of his personality and manners, like read a lot younger. Like, I really thought he was like some some little child on the show. I thought he was I would I assumed he I assumed because he looks and acts younger than me. I assumed he was younger than me. Um I didn't mean younger than us, but I thought like our age, maybe like 30, 31. Yeah, like I don't know. But he um on the show so far, like he's I don't know. Like, he's kind of like he's giving me inklings that he could be a great player, but then also there's some things where I'm like, okay, girl.

SPEAKER_00 25:17

Yeah, he's doing a little more than just like the pretty boy in the background, but not much.

SPEAKER_02 25:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:24

Next we got Michael Weak ass rapport who Andy Cohen's been hyping up, let him on that Watch What Happens live call already being annoying. The Housewife fans don't like him, so I don't know why they put him on this show to rage bait us. Probably to draw up some engagement, but he's allegedly a comedian.

unknown 25:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:42

And he was on the mask singer.

SPEAKER_03 25:44

And I think he like I think he like 20 fucking years ago, I think he had his own sitcom or something stupid like that.

SPEAKER_00 25:50

Um but I apparently he was on season two of Selena Gomez show. Only side bitches in the building.

SPEAKER_03 25:59

No, you know that's not what it's called.

SPEAKER_00 26:01

It's called Only Murders in the Building, I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_03 26:04

Um but yeah, no, he's like that's the thing is, and you and I kind of mentioned a little bit before we before we pressed the red button. Um but like both of us going into this didn't like him, and we were prepared to like kind of be irritated by him, but he has been just so fucking extra and annoying, and he's been awful to watch. I I I I pray to God he's guilty. I pray to God he gets sent home next episode, but I don't think he will. I think he's gonna be around a while, and that pisses me off even more because he's ruining my experience whenever he's on screen. And he's on screen a lot, unfortunately.

SPEAKER_00 26:41

He's a chap, but I'm sick of him. Exactly. Get get her out of here. Next we have Rob R from Love Island, which I'm a new Love Island fan. I've only seen the most recent season, like that was season seven, so I don't know this man. And I wasn't impressed coming in, but I like when I see him on the show, so apparently he was a villain on Love Island, which I didn't know, but maybe that means people.

SPEAKER_03 27:09

I mean, he's kind of his personality is so dull, but when he does act, he kind of he kind of does seem villainish. He seems like he could be an asshole.

SPEAKER_00 27:18

Right? Um I see what you're saying. I mean, I feel like if you're a white man at least at eight and you play like sports high school or something, you're probably just evil because the world puts you on a pedestal.

SPEAKER_03 27:28

Well, that's what I was about to say. I mean, he's like uh he's 26, he's attractive, he's already he's already got like a little bit of fame and whatnot. So I'm like, he probably is the devil.

SPEAKER_00 27:38

But um And maybe maybe the dick is big too. God help me. Oh lord.

SPEAKER_03 27:42

Well, my my my mother loves him already.

SPEAKER_00 27:46

Oh lord, you want a piece of Rob.

SPEAKER_03 27:50

She loves him the same way she loved Dylan Ephron last season. She had a tie type.

SPEAKER_00 27:54

He feels that same archetype, that like pilot P Dylan Ephron, Rob, yeah. Yeah, I thought they were gonna give it to Claus at Colti, and I'm glad they didn't give it to Clausic Colte, because you could tell he wanted it. Alright, next up we have Own It, the Queen of Lips, the Green Eminem herself, Lisa Renna. Not the Green Eminem. Um Peacock bio mentions your favorite show, Melrose Place.

SPEAKER_03 28:26

Well, that's what I and I mentioned Melrose Place when when we were watching this these episodes when she said something about putting her acting abilities on. She's like, I gotta put on my acting abilities and like what I gained from being on reality TV and on and acting and whatnot. I'm like, I'm like, girl, I watch Melrose Plays. You're not that good an actress.

SPEAKER_00 28:44

Well, she would do what she did for that program. She would do what she did for that program.

SPEAKER_03 28:48

She she she she plays herself, which is a crazy ass lady. Um but I mean, I think Lisa Renna, for all the things that you can criticize her for, and I want to make it clear, I do not want her back on Beverly Hills. Y'all don't need to knock that off because y'all already asking for her back on Beverly Hills.

SPEAKER_00 29:02

You know, I forgot I forgot she was off of it. I don't I don't know why. I don't watch that. But she's such a quintessential part of it for me in my mind.

SPEAKER_03 29:10

Oh, yeah, no, she got she got fired a few seasons ago, and I do not want her ass back on there, so don't get it twisted. I will say though that like she is perfect for this show, and the show is perfect for her. So I do appreciate the fact that she was cast, and I think she is absolutely bringing it and doing everything that she should be doing.

SPEAKER_00 29:28

She no, she's great for a campy environment. Of course, I don't watch Beverly Hills, and she generally annoys me from the clips I see, like you know, in a vacuum, but I agree with you that she's a good fit for the show. Yeah. Alright, next we got Caroline Stanberry, Ladies of London, Real Housewives of Dubai. Which I thought she was a bit of a bitch on Dubai. But I thought she was like an entertaining one, and she has good work, like her skincare work is good. So I've always appreciated that. I would say she's coming off more like emotionally intelligent than she did on Housewives. So I was like, oh, you're layered.

SPEAKER_03 30:04

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think that just goes to show that you know, when we're watching these people on these shows, just like the environment they're in can make such a difference in like how they're gonna come off and how they're gonna really behave and whatnot.

SPEAKER_00 30:18

For sure. And maybe she feels at home in Scotland, you know, she's British. British. She's British. Next up we got Ian Terry from Big Brother, who won season 14. And that was the first season I watched like live of Big Brother, like from end to end. Back when I was watching Big Brother for real. So I have some reverence for Ian. I like Ian. So I was excited to see how he would do in this game, but you know.

SPEAKER_03 30:49

Yeah, Ian, I I mean, I don't watch Big B I mean, as a s as I say for like the millionth time, I don't watch Big Brother. But um I always looked at Ian uh like I don't know, like I I was aware of Ian, and I do remember the little scandal when they were saying mean things about him on Big Brother All-Stars. Um yeah. But but I don't know. Whenever I've whenever I've seen Ian, I've just always been like I always just looked at him like, oh look at that little cutie patootie. He's adorable.

SPEAKER_01 31:20

I think he's adorable.

SPEAKER_00 31:22

He looked all handsome now. He got the little professor suit, the little salt and pepper hair, his hairline's not receding. The hair looked the same it did in 2012, 2013. And that's not a lot of people of his persuasion can say that.

SPEAKER_03 31:33

So I think that just goes to show how like I know he's gonna go to Turkey.

SPEAKER_00 31:37

He's not the type to go to Turkey.

SPEAKER_03 31:38

So what that thing is, I think that just goes to show like how not evil he is.

SPEAKER_00 31:43

Right? God gave him his hairline. And speaking of evil, we got Closet Cody, the stalker. I've seen so many TikToks of them dragging it, because I don't know about his bachelor antics and what he did when he was still in the closet. I just knew he was the one that came out. Oh, wait, what's the case? Apparently he was stalking that he was stalking that girl and acting crazy. Well, I don't I didn't get the full story, but a lot of the Bachelor Nation are mad as hell.

SPEAKER_03 32:08

Okay, well, I see that that's the problem is I don't keep up with nothing that's going on The Bachelor Nation.

SPEAKER_00 32:12

Um Yeah, no, the the girl cast you have to follow this restraining yeah, she had to file a restraining order. He was talking or harassing her, placed a tracking device on her car, took messages, left care of her home. That's why. Admitted to his roommate that he frequently walked by her apartment building to watch it.

SPEAKER_03 32:32

What the hell? See, all literally, literally, all I knew about him was that he was on The Bachelor, and then at some point afterwards came out as gay, and people were like, You fraudulent bitch. That's what I'm always saying.

SPEAKER_00 32:46

A former coworker had met him for like a work event, said he was nice when they spoke. So there's that. Well, it sounds uh it sounds like he's too damn nice.

SPEAKER_03 32:54

He's a damn he's obsessive.

SPEAKER_00 32:58

It's a little too friendly. Right, trying too hard to brain himself with the gays. Like, you know what the you know, the aspiring mask gays can keep you.

SPEAKER_03 33:07

And we all we all know we all know someone who would probably be interested.

SPEAKER_00 33:12

No comment. Johnny Ware, Olympic figure skater. I knew of him from Celebrity Big Brother. He was fine, he was there, he was nice. But I know he's also an accomplished figure skater. I was like, okay, Johnny's back. He's on TV. She has a good agent. I don't know if we need it too, but I'm not upset to see, you know, more queer men.

SPEAKER_03 33:33

So well, and I will I will say we'll get into it, but I I mean him and the him and Tara there, I feel like they're playing it pretty well as far as like downplaying. They are. If all if only you and I could do that successfully.

SPEAKER_00 33:45

Um, I think if we went on to traitors, they'd be clocking it. Like those two always castle when they're together. They know a lot. They got some inside jokes.

SPEAKER_03 33:56

Um, no, but I've definitely seen him around. I've seen him like on various red carpets, I've seen him on talk shows and stuff like that. So I was kind of aware of who he was like going into this. And yeah, I don't know. He's he he's like, he's a little campy gay.

SPEAKER_00 34:13

He's very campy. And last but certainly not least, we have the activist and reality star Portia Williams of the Real Hoppers of Atlanta.

unknown 34:25

Portia.

SPEAKER_00 34:27

Portia Luther K. She also had a spin off, Porsche Family Matters. She briefly co-hosted Bravo's. Yep, she she she grabbed the boom mic and swung it at somebody. So if you're not familiar with Portia, that's how she gets that. She's been in like three or four physical altercations on Bravo, and she's still, you know, on payroll.

SPEAKER_03 34:46

Well, I think, well, yeah, because let's see, because she she she dragged Kenya, she got she got up in the city.

SPEAKER_02 34:51

She beat up Jamie and Allie.

SPEAKER_03 34:53

Yeah, she she got her in a she got her in an alley, yeah. She she went chasing her down and then came back in tomb to take care of some business.

SPEAKER_00 35:00

Swung on Cynthia on the boat. That's three. And then Dennis's mama.

SPEAKER_03 35:06

Yeah, she had to hit someone's mama. Oh wait, and um I don't know what you know what it was when she came back from the alley, she was talking about, oh, I had I had I had uh to walk her out.

SPEAKER_00 35:18

Done beat Jamie S. And that is the cast, but I think it's a star-studded one. I still think, you know, even in season four, they keep it fresh. They throw in some stunt casting with Donna Kelsey that keeps it, you know, relevant to the time, but they're still mixing it. I think the high-profile Housewives, Survivor, and Big Brother players. I still think they have some good ones left, too.

SPEAKER_03 35:40

Yeah, no, I am really impressed with how with each season they've been able to have such like a varied cast across so many different shows and types of shows and everything like that. Um, and all the different personalities, and just how well, like whoever is working in casting deserves many raises because they're they're they're doing their job.

SPEAKER_00 36:01

Although I'm gonna say, I know we're not gonna do a full like fantasy cast segment, but Giselle Bryant, I don't like her, but she needs to be here. And Coach from Survivor also needs to be here.

SPEAKER_03 36:10

Oh yes, oh yes. Uh I agree 100%. I agree 100% with both with both of those choices. Can you imagine those two in an argument? Oh lord, that'd be funny. I'd be getting I'd be getting about that. Well, and so are are we gonna campaign for Natalie the Chin Nun to be on the show?

SPEAKER_00 36:30

I think she might declass the show and try to vape inside the castle, but I would like to see it.

SPEAKER_03 36:36

I would like to see it anyway. Whoever they're renting that castle from is definitely gonna charge some extra cleaning fees.

SPEAKER_00 36:43

And Natalie, the thing is Natalie's not dumb. Like she puts on an act, but she's the smart. She might run the show, she might run the game.

SPEAKER_03 36:48

Yeah. Do you think if she got on the trader, she might she might bring back the valley girl voice?

SPEAKER_00 36:53

Oh, for sure. Especially when she's talking about the housewives and shit. Not her and Doreet form gonna alliance. Old school Natalie coming back. Her and Dory would be two peas in a pie.

SPEAKER_03 37:08

Your mother's name is Karen. Okay. Um but yeah, let's talk about the show. So these first three episodes for this premiere, I binge watched with my with my mother all three back to back to back, and we were thoroughly entertained the entire time. It is it it has been a time. It has been a time.

SPEAKER_00 37:31

Right. They were nice and long. Just like, you know, something you might like in the bedroom. But I was I was excited. I watched them pretty much not right as they came out pretty much like an hour after. I think I was coming home from dinner or something, but you know, but but by Friday morning, I was ready to into it. And the show started off strong. I think they you know, they came and swinging, like I said on TikTok.

SPEAKER_03 37:54

Yeah. Well, the thing is, I because like I said, I watched my mom, so I had to wait because it came out on a Thursday. I had to wait until Sunday to watch it. And oh my god, I was dodging spoilers like Monique dodges walruses in Warhol. Like I'm sure it must have been impossible. Well, and the thing is, what I will say is that one of the traders got spoiled for me on Sunday, like an hour before I went to go watch the show.

SPEAKER_02 38:18

Oh, then that was uh I was pissed about that.

SPEAKER_03 38:21

One of the traders did get spoiled for me, and I was upset about that. Literally, I I I I open up, I open up my Instagram, and I just immediately before I can do anything about it, I see a hood fly back and I see a face. I'm like, you mother, god damn it.

SPEAKER_00 38:35

Not you cursing at the people on Peacock.

SPEAKER_03 38:37

I was so mad, I was so irritated because like I had effectively dogged spoilers like for days. I was pissed.

SPEAKER_00 38:45

You know, we start off with the standard, everyone's in their little SUVs, driving to the castle, walking around. And then we start with the first gag of the season. Is that Alan's just picking one of the traders right away? So everyone goes up one by one, he opens a box that I guess says trader or not trader. And we find out right then and there. What we don't know is, or maybe I don't realize it is that person will be a secret trader. So they don't know the other traders, the other traders don't know them. Well, I think have he said it.

SPEAKER_03 39:15

He's well, so he said he said that this will be a secret to them and you, like I guess to the viewer viewing audience, but I think that but I I didn't fully understand like to the like what extent he made. Right.

SPEAKER_00 39:26

I was like, is that just for the first episode? Is that for the the entire season?

SPEAKER_03 39:30

Yeah, I was like, I've been being confused. I was like, yeah, I gotta tell us that thing, yeah. I was confused about um about how that was all gonna go down.

SPEAKER_00 39:44

Yeah, no, they alone get to pick a little short list for the murder, and then the trader team, the ones that know each other meeting the turret, will kill. So they're on the trader team, but kind of operate independently. Almost had to kind of roll grow, which is new, at least in the US fandom. I am not 100% sure if it's been introduced in the international versions, but this is what I like about traders is that they like keep the show friends. They said, Y'all thought there was a meta? Y'all thought y'all knew what was going on here? Like, I like that they keep mixing it up. Like season three, we got the like the live killings. Oh, that's season two. Either way, we got the live killings, but now we're gonna secret trader. Like, they try to keep people on their toes so they can't try to break the game, which I appreciate because a lot of games make the effort. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 40:27

Well, especially with well, especially when you're casting so many people who are so familiar with reality TV, and especially when you have the ones from like Survivor or Big Brother, the challenge or like whatever, that are so familiar with competitive reality TV gaming, it would be it's really easy for the gamers to like kind of figure out the game. But I also like that they twist it in a way that's not like too much or ridiculous or stupid. Like, I feel like the twists are like I feel like the twists like compliment the game and don't necessarily uh like fuck up the whole premise, you know?

SPEAKER_00 40:59

Yeah, no, for sure. They're pacing it well, they got good little game makers or whatever back there. You know they got old boy from uh hit the button, doodles, you think he's working on traders? He might he my doodles, we see you, bitch. We got a good little intro. I like the moment between Jam Jam and Monet in episode one Formula Alliance. I like the cool energy they were giving.

SPEAKER_03 41:25

Right now I'm gonna.

SPEAKER_00 41:26

But you know, at this at this point, I had no idea on like who the episode like the trader was. Um looking through my notes to see my initial guesses. And I was like, I have jam jam question mark. I have momma kelsey has some screen time, she might be a red herring. Ian and Kristen could be interesting, but so those are my initial guesses to like who the secret trader was.

SPEAKER_03 41:48

I'm gonna say right now, and I swear to god, I'm not making it up, but I guessed I guessed the secret trader like immediately. And I I guess like so I I had my suspicion, and then I think it was at the end of the first episode when we got the short list for the first time where I confirmed my suspicion. Um so I immediately was like, I think it's Donna Kelsey. I was like, because I in my mind, I was like, that's the gag. Like this sweet little, I'm like, A, I'm like, A, she's a sweet little old lady, she's a stunt casting, is Travis Kelsey mama. I was like, that is the gag. I was like, that's gonna be the gag.

SPEAKER_00 42:24

And then also she was, and she was.

SPEAKER_03 42:27

Oh, and also the fact that she was being so quiet and like kind of like whatever. And then so, but here's so here's how I confirmed my theory was so when the short when they brought them the short list in the turret for the first time, I I was like, hmm. Like I paused it, rewound, and looked at the handwriting on the on the short list, and then I went. Not you, not some old people handwriting. That well, no, and I went online to look up because I I had already suspected Donna Kelsey. So I went online and looked up Donna Kelsey's signature because usually usually you find usually you were trying to spoil yourself. One thing, and then I fucking I found like an item that had been sold on eBay that was a Travis and Jason Kelsey shirt that had been signed by Donna Kelsey, and I was like, that's her handwriting, bitch. There was a little note on it, and I compared that to what was on the short list. It's like that is that bitch's handwriting. I got her. I'm crazy.

SPEAKER_02 43:26

I got her, and I was correct.

SPEAKER_00 43:28

I guess I didn't even think it would be there. I don't know why I just assumed the producer or something would write it. But it's not that they would know someone else's handwriting for real, but only the traders are seeing it.

SPEAKER_03 43:38

So I was saying that's why a few episodes later, when we got our confirmation, I was literally I I I put on my little silly hat and I was Danielle in the corner being like, I knew it.

unknown 43:46

I knew it.

SPEAKER_00 43:47

I was speaking. I didn't even realize I had her guest in my notes, but I was on the theory because well, when we were we'll get to the trader reveal, but when the trader reveal happens, there's no gamers. So my whole time is like, oh, it's a Male gamer, it's a male gamer, it's a male gamer. Just because of you know the the numbers, but that's not how the producers were thinking. So I would have been in that house bamboozled. Cause I'm like, is it Rob or is it Jam Jam? Like that was my thought process. But pretty much from there we go to the trader selection. So we start off right off the bat with our girl Candace gets selected as a trader, which I am excited about because that means screen time, that means confessionals, that means thought process, that means turret mess. I think she was a great trader selection. Like I was into it.

SPEAKER_03 44:33

Yeah. I I love the traders that we got, to be honest. I love um, I feel like I feel like A, they're working together so much better than our initial traders last season. Um like they like they're all three of them are really like good at the game, and I think they're working well together. And I like the dynamic of like when the three of them get together in the turret, and you have like Rob who's being very stoic and serious and like a little bit quiet. And then like every and like because like they take off their hoods, and every single time, the moment they take their hoods off, you have Lisa Renna and Candace start cackling like witches, like every fucking time. Like, and that's the funny thing, is because they did it the first time when they all like met each other as traders, but then they've done it like every single time. It's like y'all act like y'all are like, y'all act like this is the trade it revealed every single time you go in the turret. They take off their they take off their um hood hoods and are immediately cackling.

SPEAKER_00 45:27

Well, there's always something to cackle about. There's always something to cackle about. You know, Rob's definitely serious, which makes me think he's in gamer mode, and I'm scared for Candace, but yeah, the other traders we get are Lisa Renna, you know, Roha Housewives of Beverly Hills, and then Rob from Love Island, which is a first for the franchise, no gamer traders, and two housewife traders. Right.

SPEAKER_03 45:48

I think part of it is I feel like they saw how the housewives just got shit on and decimated last season. So I feel like this is like they're like, let's give them a little something. Let's give them a little something to work with.

SPEAKER_00 45:59

Which in turn led to the gamers getting jumped, which some fans are upset about, but I don't I bet we lost the you know the least entertaining ones, you know, the kind of smart meta type. I was you know, I was excited to see people back, but we gotta let the game play out. But I'm not gonna lie, when Rob got selected, I was like, of course they fucking picked Colton, but I realized it wasn't Colton, it was Rob. Not not you getting not you getting your white man confused. And then immediately we go to Lisa Renna pouring a pitcher and overfilling her water glass. I'm like, you nervous ass bitch, you're gonna throw yourself away. I think Rena's gonna be like a little over the top because she is. I think somebody's gonna might piece it together eventually, but I think the ride will be entertaining. The ride will be entertaining.

SPEAKER_03 46:41

Yeah, I feel like my thing with Lisa Renna is that her behavior in general is so like so proper and ridiculous and exaggerated that I feel like she's kind of hard to read. You know, it's kind of hard to like and I feel like that works for her because it's kind of like if she's acting weird, it's like, is she acting weird because she's a trainer or is she acting weird because she's at Lisa fucking Rena?

SPEAKER_00 46:59

Which is funny because before they knew each other were traitors, Candace was like, I knew Lisa Renna would be a great one. Like, she has survived.

SPEAKER_03 47:06

I and I love the fact that the first time the turret, Candace was immediately like, so my bad, but I said you're myself.

SPEAKER_00 47:14

I would have kept it to myself, like, oh she if it gets to her, it gets to her.

SPEAKER_03 47:18

I know I was I was worried that we were gonna get like similar to like Carolyn versus Danielle last season. I was a little scared that like we were gonna get Lisa versus Candice because of that, but they moved past it, like there was no problem.

SPEAKER_00 47:31

Right? They did. They were moving on. And this season they also made a bit of a change to the mission that they have a bit more stakes now, because pretty much so far the mission performance determines if you're eligible to be killed by the traders or be on the short list or not. So there's more of an incentive to fight for your immunity, so to speak, and there's an another layer to analyze like you know what decisions do people make in the challenges, which I found fun. I think they got that feedback that people weren't really paying attention to the challenges because I would kind of speed through them if I wanted to get through the episode for real. Like, I'm not gonna lie, there were some episodes, but by the end of the seasons, I'm like, I just get me to the round table, bitch. Like, I don't need to see this. Oh, yeah, I don't need to see Tom Sandoval singing or phaser running around.

SPEAKER_03 48:14

Right, yeah. No, I definitely I agree with you. This this season, like watching the challenges, I feel it does feel a little bit more like intense. I'm a little bit more drawn in and like I'm actually like really paying attention. Like, like what I'm watching if you're watching like a fucking immunity challenge on Survivor where you're like really paying attention to like, oh my god, who's gonna win? Who's gonna win?

SPEAKER_00 48:32

Exactly. There's like no stakes, but they're starting to add that, which I love. And I was casting that portion. She was like, Oh, these are what I'm here for, the missions. I was like, Oh, are you a challenge beast now?

SPEAKER_03 48:43

I was like, oh girl, you you you doing all that, you doing all that, but you know what? I guess she is. I guess she is, and I feel like well she'd be able to do that. We know we should actually get physical. I know they they should um they should throw in some like physical aggression challenges like they used to have on Survivor.

SPEAKER_00 49:03

They should, they should. I'd be down for that. Um the game already got shady with that first mission because they had to throw coffins into graves that like if you put the coffin in that person was up for elimination. So you you already get shady moments. Tiffany's like, oh nobody's gonna kill Eric ass. You got Canda saying, no, put Donna, she's out.

SPEAKER_03 49:21

Why am I?

SPEAKER_00 49:22

While trying to save Porsche.

SPEAKER_03 49:24

I love the way that um I love the way that when they went to was it who or was it Rock? I can't remember who's caught who they were, because Candace had suggested Donna and they were gonna put the coffin to somebody else's, and she's like, What are you doing? And then they immediately pulled that shit. I was like, okay, I was like, okay, Candace, you got a lot of power over these people, huh? That's what she was. She's like, Donna's older. Do we need her? I was like, oh damn. The moment she made them redirect and everything. I thought I just thought of um I thought of Karen Huger's quote to Candace. Your your mind is just so powerful, but so is your mouth. Uh but yeah, no, that first challenge was shady. We got we got our we got the beginning of our three episode long uh Michael report uh fucking crash out. Well when he saw that when he saw they had put a coffin in his fucking gravesite, he was fucking yelling, he was yelling the miserable fucks. That's really he thought he was Rupert on Survivor Pearl Island. Who the fuck voted for me? He was so p he was so like and the thing is like other people were irritated, but he was the only one that like went fucking ballistic over it.

SPEAKER_00 50:34

Right? Like just doing too much, trying to get screen time because he's all these dynamic personalities, people that should be famous for real. Now we got comedian to suck dick for specials, allegedly.

SPEAKER_02 50:45

Oh so also in my notes about the challenge, I have damn on a fat ass.

SPEAKER_00 50:53

Which fair. You were never. After the challenge, if you got if your coffin got picked and you were up on the short list, you also have to fill up your coffin. So to that I wrote, if I was there, I would have been like, so we're doing this for real or just a few scoops for the shot? Do I really gotta fill this coffin? Or we didn't do this for TV, bitch, because let me know.

SPEAKER_03 51:15

And I was I was so nervous too. I was like, when Dorinda had to stay behind, I was like, oh please, Lord, let them save a plate for her for when she gets back. I do not want her to crash out and get and get and get killed after that. She was pissed last time. That thing she went bullet. I think they learned their lesson.

SPEAKER_00 51:29

She didn't go bulisk about no plate.

SPEAKER_03 51:33

There was clearly food about that when they got caught about that. That thing that's what started the whole shit last time was she had to stay behind on the fucking water challenge last time and didn't get there was no food left over when she came back, and she crashed the fuck out.

SPEAKER_00 51:48

I don't know if this was like a conscious change or I didn't notice it last season, but I will I noticed that the people marked for death had to wear all black when they got back to the castle. So they they were in all black and everyone else is in their like their fancy plaid outfits and their camp outfits. I'd be pissed. I didn't even I didn't even notice that shit. Yeah, and I was like, oh, they're all wearing wearing the black. I was like, okay. It's good signaling for the viewers.

SPEAKER_02 52:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 52:10

Right, to have a big black. At this point, I thought they were gonna kill Eric because he was being quiet, and Tiffany made that remark, like, oh nobody don't kill Eric ass. But they ended up killing Ian's ass, which I was upset about because I wanted to see him play the game. But smart gamers, I mean, usually that first kill is a very vocal person, but smart gamer, I feel like it was a good decision. And that seems to be Rob's MO in the terror.

SPEAKER_03 52:33

Yeah, no, it seems like they really want to take out. I mean, I it's smart of them, but it's kind of sad for us because it's like, ooh, I want to, like you said, I want to see him play. I want to see what he would have done. But I think similar to the way that Rob's Sesternina was kind of starting to feel things out, I feel like had Ian gotten to stay longer, he would have been in that same boat of like kind of starting to suss things out pretty quickly.

SPEAKER_00 52:52

But I also Ian's a bit awkward. He almost went home first on his brother's season because he just didn't know how to socialize. So he had to be safe. Yeah. So I was wondering if also part of the dynamic was like people really weren't feeling him or not. Yeah. They didn't really speak too much of that.

SPEAKER_03 53:07

Right. I I think maybe if he had stuck around, he would have gotten some of like the Donna Kelsey treatment where they were like, bitch, you're not talking to us.

SPEAKER_00 53:14

I mean, I think he would have talked, or at least gave some insight or some theories. I don't think he would have gone because look how bad that went for fucking Dan's bitch ass. So I don't think he would have gone straight silence. Meanwhile, Donna, Donna just wasn't ready. I don't think that lady was ready. Right.

SPEAKER_03 53:29

I think she was I think she's she seems very overwhelmed with a lot of it.

SPEAKER_00 53:33

And I love how at the first breakfast they gave Durindello standing ovation for surviving at night.

SPEAKER_03 53:37

I know that was really sweet. And it just goes to show like her her little redemption arc she's having.

SPEAKER_00 53:43

Right? But it's also I think it's the beginning of the downfall with Donna, because this is where we see a lot of the commentary about people like, oh, she doesn't talk game to anyone, she's so quiet, she's this, she's that.

SPEAKER_02 53:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 53:53

So it's clear Donna's on the hot team. We're seeing why. And yeah, I don't think they explained it too well in the edit. Like, they don't show us Donna, like, people asking her things that her being dodgy. It's mostly other people like telling us. So I don't know if I didn't know at this point if it was like her acting like that for real. They're just like, oh, Travis Kelsey mama, but they were gonna make her a traitor for the screen time. So I didn't realize if it was like meta or what she was doing or like a combination of all right.

SPEAKER_03 54:18

Well and one thing that I noticed was weird was that in it was the second episode, um, with the chariot pushing challenge, we did not see her once. Like, there was not one shot of her at all in that challenge. Did she sit that one out? I was wondering. Because I don't necessarily see her pushing I did not notice that, not her not running around. No, because literally throughout that entire challenge, there was not one shot of like she was not on the screen at all during that challenge. She like vanished for the entire challenge.

SPEAKER_00 54:47

I'm like, did they also say that in episode three that they do the challenge after the round table? I'd have never seen that. Like, did Donna not want to do the challenges? She didn't want to run? Was she not able to do the challenges? I mean, that's what I'm saying. I mean, she's like, because she's 70, right? Oh yeah. And maybe they were like, oh, you didn't class, you didn't pass the physical girl, but you know, we'll make sure you go home early. And they go to somebody else. Like, vote vote on Donna S. Vote on Donna S. Nothing. She's 72 years old. So I mean I can't.

SPEAKER_03 55:18

Oh, she's 72. Oh my lord. Oh my lord. Nothing, yeah. So I mean, some of these challenges didn't are don't seem really appropriate for her to be doing.

SPEAKER_00 55:27

Right. I mean, Phaedra's 52, but she was barely doing the challenges. She was just kind of showing up, you know, she wasn't really doing much. Sheree. I mean, Sheree, Sheree did a little something, but Sheree is in shape. Sheree's always had a physique.

SPEAKER_03 55:41

Right. Although sometimes sometimes muscles are just for show and people aren't actually good at the challenges anyway.

SPEAKER_00 55:47

Yeah, I think Sheree just got them to keep a man. But that chariot challenge was funny. So essentially in this challenge, they start off carrying people who are safe. And if you find a token, you can take their spot on the chariot. But you literally have to be dragged by the other contestant. So they're taking into account sides and whatnot.

SPEAKER_02 56:04

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 56:05

And if if by the end of the challenge you are one of the safe people, like on the chariot, you get a shield, you're not eligible for murder. And I feel like unless it's a mess. Like, I like Team the Challenge. Because we got to see how different people played it. Like Mr. One Tree Hill, he was being like super faithful, like giving the tokens to other women. Like, well, I don't think it's a good look for me to be my big ass to get up there. Meanwhile, Jam Jam was like, Well, let me get up there.

SPEAKER_03 56:30

Well, that, and that's the thing because it's kind of like um throughout the most of the challenge, it was constantly this constant rotation of like the smallest, petitest, like lightest women getting put, like cycled in and out of the chairs. And then at that very last pit stop where it's like your last chance to switch, next thing you know, two next thing you know, we have two big ass men on two of the three thrones, with with uh fucking Carolyn Stansbury, I think, being the only like actual like small petite person to make it through to the very end. Um, and you had like, and the thing is though, you had Michael Rappaport crashing out the entire time. I feel like the very first time he would have like if he had if he had gotten his hands on a fucking token, he would have gotten his big ass up on there and slowed them down.

SPEAKER_00 57:12

Well he definitely would have, but he was so pissed. I thought we were gonna talk about it. I thought we were and he kept talking about it, but I did not know his what his argument even was. He just wanted to be mad.

SPEAKER_03 57:20

Well, because he because he was bas I I I guess basically he was saying that he thought that every time they found a token, they were gonna like have a fucking discussion about who should be like but it's like sir, like that thing, it's also it's like this is a time challenge where we are intentionally not given access to like how much time has passed to try to like trip us up. Like, why would we spend time having a full-blown discussion and debate about all this shit every time we find a fucking cult token?

SPEAKER_00 57:48

Right, it's not a neuroass who got voter, nobody likes you.

SPEAKER_03 57:53

Yeah, I don't know. It was just more of him just being annoying. He's that's the thing is he's really fucking irritating in the challenges and at the round tables, and then otherwise he's non-existent.

SPEAKER_00 58:05

Again, he just wants to pop up for some screen time with his annoying self. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 58:10

Um, but I I did find that challenge fun.

SPEAKER_00 58:13

That challenge I mean, honestly, all the challenges so far I found like you know, they made a smart change to the challenges and the structure of them, but I actually enjoy watching them now. Like I add to the show.

SPEAKER_03 58:23

Yeah. Um But then in the s in the second episode, we obviously first we see the downfall of Porsche of Portia Luther King. Um which basically the thing with Portia is she made it impossible not to banish for this episode. Like she literally made it impossible.

SPEAKER_00 58:44

Because there were witnesses, she was multiple misspeaks.

SPEAKER_03 58:50

Like, I mean, I get that she's dumb. Like, we all we all know Porsche is dumb. Um, but like my thing is like just like the way she kept doing like the way she like multiple times said, like, oh when I killed Ian.

SPEAKER_00 59:00

Um then she could it was what was worse, she couldn't like talk it back or explain her thought process, like, oh I was putting myself in this shoe with a traitor trying to understand that. Like, yeah, and then instead of like trying to talk through that, she'd be like, Oh, maybe I did say it. It's a girl, that's not helping.

SPEAKER_03 59:14

Well, and see where I really started to suspect that maybe I was wrong about Donna being the secret trader that maybe it was Portia's dumbass, was when she started talking about, well, there's four traitors, and I was like, Well, how do you know that? Like, you know what I'm saying? It's like, how the fuck do you know that?

SPEAKER_00 59:27

I feel like she followed it up with like there's four, like, is there four? Because, like, because they did because they did the secret one to begin with, and it's like it seems like a larger cast size, and I feel like other versions, and I bet that wasn't a a big thing to hang on. Because she wasn't so sure about it. Because she followed up like are there four? But I see why Ron brought it up. I see why Ron brought it up.

SPEAKER_03 59:48

What thing? Because when you combine it with her like saying multiple times, like, oh when I killed Ian, like I feel like it's just it's she made it so hard not to fucking suspect her.

SPEAKER_00 59:57

Yeah. No, that makes sense. I I don't see why they voted her. She was not making a compelling case for herself, but I do I do like that we got that we got.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:08

I was calculated, like, of course Porsche's dumbass untalked herself out the show. Well, yeah, because like she was a no danger. Like it didn't seem like she was I got because I feel like Candace made it clear that she would defend Porsche at the round table, so I'm sure she would defend her in the turret. So like Porsche wasn't gonna get killed by the traitors. It seemed like everyone liked her in the house and everything. Like she really had the potential, like right off the bat, to go far, and she fucked it all up. Um but it yeah, it was just it was painful to watch, honestly. It was very painful to watch it go down.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:38

Oh girl, oh girl. Well, it's a kind of dragged out the Donna gag a little bit more, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:00:43

Because like I I fully believe Donna's ass would have been banished right then and there if it if Porsche hadn't kept fucking up.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:49

Right. And like in the edit, they keep hinting at like a first night trader call, a first night trader get. So I was thinking, like, they're talking about it so much. Are we gonna get like a premier trader get? Like that would be wild, but they did the weak ass secret trader. But what I would say, Donna's roundtable performance in episode two, I thought it was very strong. Because she kind of went from being very silent to explain her points very well. I remember Candace was like, well, you'd be the perfect trader. She was like, Well, so would you. I was like, ooh, who doesn't?

SPEAKER_03 1:01:19

Well, she watches the show. She watches the show. Candace's face when she says, she's like, uh-oh. Like she was explaining.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:28

I heard you drag Giselle up and down Potomac, bitch. I know you could be a trader. You could be a trader. Don't do me.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:34

That that thing. Donna was sitting there talking about, okay, let little Miss Wordsmith.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:41

I wasn't very impressed. Donna held her own. But that's how you're talking about.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:47

That's the thing. I feel like if Donna had that energy that she has at the round tables, just outside of the round tables, I feel like she could have done a lot better.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:56

Right. The problem was is she's not a good thing.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:03

Oh, yeah, no, it really fucked her over because that's the thing, is like, and there was a lot of like toying with it, especially from Lisa Renna. Lisa Renna kept mentioning, like, do I try to protect the secret trader? But like, obviously, they couldn't because it's like you don't you can't protect who you don't know. Like, you don't know who the traitor is.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:16

Well, for sure. I think if she was like in the turret for real, like Gorina or Canis would have been like, okay, let me cover for her, let me give her some advice, let me run some triage. Yeah. I think Rob Barr would have been like, let's go let's get rid of the bits, let's replace her with someone else, but right.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:30

You can you can always cry. You can always trust a fucking rob on here to be a sociopath.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:36

Well, yes. And I will say another interesting point of episode two was Rina being like one of the swing votes for Porsche, kind of straying from the Housewives of Alliance, which we really haven't seen on the show. Yeah. I think they make a point of it to the point where I'm like, oh, is it gonna get brought up in the future? And then Caroline Stanberry afterwards, she's also like, Y'all saw what Rena did? Because, like, so they definitely noticed it. So I feel like it might be a major theme. Well, I have my eye on that.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:01

Yeah, I mean, her and uh Dorinda walking away uh down the hallway after the tr after the they like they seem kind of pissed off that she voted out of house.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:10

Like, uh that's not what we talked about in the group chat, bitch.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:13

Like, excuse me, Rena, but I mean Rena's exactly who I would expect. Even if Renna wasn't a trader, that's who I would expect to go right with.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:19

Right, no, I agree, I agree. That's gaming ass, bitch. Well, she's not a scammer.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:23

That I know of, but you have to anticipate Renna going rough.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:29

Right. And then we get to episode three, baby. Show me your faces. Well, at the end of episode two, we find out that they want to do an in-plain sight kill already. So that's what we got coming in episode three. I'm just like, God damn, already. I know. You know, we did this before with when Ecton 2 died and Parvia had her sip a drink. But I was like, oh, they are getting to it. It was it was like a star-started premiere. Like between the cast and all that went on, they hit the beats right.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:57

What I I love just the way they kind of like uh set up the the plain sight kill of like you have to get you have to get to this picture frame in the in the fucking kitchen and get the cards out that'll show you your that'll have your short list of who you can kill, and then you have to get to the breakfast nook and burn the card of the person you want to kill without getting caught and everything like that. Like, I love the way they set it up because it provided so much like intensity and suspense because there were so many steps to it and different rooms and different factors, and like I think it also helped to display like how strong this trio of traitors is, the fact that they were able to pull it off the way they did, without even really being able to directly communicate with each other. Because like Candace, she just took on the initiative of creating the distraction. Rob took advantage of that distraction to go get the cards, and then he went to Rena, and they like right in front of all the people, they found a way to like sneakily discuss who to kill without being detected. Uh like it really Yeah, while pretending to play chess. Like it was so it was a great setup as far as like how they were were made to do it, and they rose the task beautifully and like pulled it off so great. It was just it was amazing television.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:09

No, definitely you could feel the tension, like they edited it perfectly, and then you kind of have to control the flow of the house. So we see Candace start a conga line. This would be the perfect time for the conga line. For a conga line. You gotta distract the house, get everyone in a low conga line. And while they're organizing that, we got Rob C smart ass talking about I think the traders are trying to kill us. I think they're doing a kill in plain sight.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:31

Yeah, and he and he and he grabs Tiffany, and him and Tiffany are running for their lives. Like they were desperately trying to avoid this conga line because I mean the thing is they were correct to be suspicious of the conga line. It's just they what they thought it was the trap when in actuality it was the distraction. Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:47

Can you imagine the trap was like if you don't join the conga line, you die? Because you because you're being a party pooper. I know they would have been pissed.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:55

It just sent me that they were so scared of this conga line. They went and hid. They like went and hid in the other room, and like when the conga line. Like you saw like Rob go to kind of peek out the window, like not the window, but peek out the doorway, and then he saw the conga line coming and he like like jumped back and you saw and you saw Tiffany kind of tense up in her hiding spot. Like they they they really were like it was like Ghostface was chasing them to that house and they were hiding.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:16

It was a lot, it was a lot, it was hilarious. But they got the job done, and on the short list, Don and Kelsey put up a few names, but they ended up going with Rob C, which one was smart because he sussed out what was going on. And Candace couldn't even tell them that. She didn't even tell them that in the turret till afterwards. I think it just goes to Rob R's kind of ideology. Let's get the smart gamers out. Which leads me to believe he's trying to run this fucking game.

unknown 1:06:41

Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:42

But because a lot of on the UK version, a lot of the Love Island guys have been good strategists. So I'm wondering if he like got some insight from them and has a good, you know, tactical playbook in hand.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:51

Maybe. And I um I I love how in sync though it shows them to be the fact that like Rob, uh not Rob, uh, well, I mean, yeah, Rob. Rob C came to Candace and like basically told her, like, I think they're doing a murder in plain sight right now. And she's like, oh. Um and and Candace was like, and Candace was talking about because she, like you said, she didn't get a chance to even go tell Rena and Rob uh uh Rob R that information before they made their decision. So she's like, I hope they make the right choice, and they did.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:23

I don't know, lucky for them. So they got Rob R's uh ass out. I mean Rob C's ass out. Yeah, good. And then we go to a round table before the challenge even happened. What was it? They're kind of getting their notes together, but it kind of picks up where we were from last episode because Porsche was a faithful, so Ron has some sus on him because he led the you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:45

I know. I felt so bad for him because like he got caught up in Porsche's bullshit. Like Porsche basically dug her own grave, and then Ron, like understandably so, was like, well, this bitch is suspicious, let's vote for her. And then it backfired because it turns out she's just dumb and she fucked herself over. Right. And you got caught up.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:09

They seem to be in a little alliance agreement situation because she kind of corroborated the Porsche takedown, so that didn't help for him either. And I'm not sure if he got his best social footing in the house. He seemed to be more like introverted or frenetic versus some other castmate. So you know, he was not in a good situation. It seemed like him and Donna had their backs against the wall. Like most of the on them. And then people didn't like Michael's ass, of course, because he's just fucking annoying. Yeah. Which leads to the banishment of Donna and the traitor get, which I was like, damn. I was kind of surprised at this point. I was like, up until Rob C being on the short list, I thought it was Rob C. Then when he was on the short list, I was like, then who the fell is it? Is it Jam Jam or is it like someone I didn't expect like Kristen? And then when they revealed to the trader, I was like, oh, okay, everything kind of makes sense. Like I see it in my head, like her being quiet, the Rena confessional. So it all pieced together. I just thought it was too dumb of a fucking decision for them to make, but I guess not.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:15

Yeah, and I just I feel like I feel like Donna being voted, even though I was like, even though I was a little bummed that the secret trader twist fizzled out so quickly, I was like, I feel like just with all the craziness of these first three episodes, I felt like that was the perfect way to like finish off the prim like the premier three episodes was having Donna Kelsey get voted like banished and being revealed as a secret trader and everyone scagged and whatnot. Like I felt like it was a great way to finish out this crazy fucking ride of episodes.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:45

You're right. It was a nice little, you know, bow on the present, if you will.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:49

Yeah, it was uh the the damn trilogy of mess.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:53

Right, but now we still gotta deal with fucking Michael Rappaport.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:57

I know, and I like you said at the beginning of the episode, I I agree with you that I think unfortunately he is gonna stick around for a while because I think I think A, he's too ridiculous to be taken seriously, and B, I think his bullshit and distracting because that's the thing, because he does get them off the right track quite often.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:16

Um so I think the traders are gonna be like bringing up like, well, you're a bad faithful. We we're not dealing with that anymore. You're not helping.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:23

Yeah, so I feel like the traitors are gonna obviously not kill like the traitors, like would be would be stupid to kill Mike, it would be stupid to kill him. So unfortunately, I think. Yeah, so I think unfortunately he's probably gonna be around for a while, which it irritates me especially. Because the thing is, is he it's it'd be one thing if maybe he was irritating like like once every few episodes, but the thing is he pops up to be annoying in every fucking episode. Like, it's basically a guarantee that he's gonna be annoying as fuck at the round table, and it's a guarantee that he's gonna be annoying as fuck at a challenge. Like it's like a guarantee at this point.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:58

And for what? And for what?

SPEAKER_03 1:11:01

Like the moment he starts talking in a round table, I'm just like, oh my fucking god.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:09

I'm just trying to get attention, just trying to get screen time, not even like being fun. But you know, enough on him. Let's get to the people we did enjoy, we maybe didn't get to talk about yet. Because I want to put a spotlight on my girl Natalie Anderson, because she kind of came out strong, she didn't get the most screen time, but you see her kind of play the game and being vocal, which if you don't know her, she plays every game that she's ever played swinging. She made the amazing race to a damn alliance game, pissed off half the cats. She won Survivor while cursing out a few people. So, like this is her ML. But she was very vocal in that first round table, trying to like suss out Donna, but also just trying to figure shit out. And I love the alliance she formed with Monet. So I'm like, oh, I love this duo together. So I do. I'm excited to see what Natalie does.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:51

Yeah, and I was gonna say, I I mean, I went into this already, liking Natalie and feeling confident in her abilities, and I do love Monet, so I love their kind of grouping. Um, I also like I don't know why, because I mentioned a little bit earlier, but I feel like Tara could be like a surprisingly good player. Because one thing I did notice, and the thing is they like really left it up in the air because I noticed that when Renna and Rob were doing their whole chess thing where they were like going and pretending to play chess while discussing who to kill, like Tara kind of mosied her way over and just she kind of like sat there and just watched.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:27

She was watching her.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:28

And she kind of like, and like as they were doing it, she kind of like looked over her shoulder and like was making a face and everything. But it's hard because they didn't like include like a confessional of her like explaining like that she was suspicious. So it's hard to tell if she was kind of like cracking the coat or not in that moment. But I've noticed she's like regularly kind of like in the corner of a room, just like not participating in conversations, but really observing the conversations and interactions. So I don't know. I could see her, I know we already compared her to Gabby once earlier, but I could see her kind of like Gabby being like a surprisingly good player.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:03

Because yeah, because you can be quiet in the beginning as long as you don't get buttered out, but once you like show you have contributions, you'll probably get yourself into an alliance. Which you know, you're bringing good points up about Tara between that and like her and Johnny playing it down quite well. Also, I just think figure skating is such a like a mental sport, like yeah. I don't know, you have like this these 60 seconds to perform, you all can only go once. Like there's like a mental fortitude there that I don't know if the other people quite have, and it might be her strength in the game. Right. That sport's not kind to dummies. It's a lot to think about at the time, especially if you do you as a partner, you don't want to take the head off. You don't want to take the head off. Yeah. The gamer fans are pissed though. They were like, I'm not gonna watch anymore. I was like, get over it.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:49

Right, I know. I mean, like now you'll know y'all know how we felt last season when the house finds getting picked picked off.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:55

Right, I have we haven't watched Survivor in a bit, but I still consider myself a gamer fan. I want to see them do well, but truthfully, we lost the two most boring ones.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:05

Right. It's no great loss. I mean, we still have we still have Yam Yam, who's funny as fuck.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:10

Um Ryan, Natalie's gonna give Natalie and just gonna curse somebody out. Like, I'm so glad we have Natalie. That's it. We have Natalie. Like, if we lost Natalie, I might have cried.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:18

That's it. We have Monet Exchange, who's like a drag race girl, but like I would consider her an honorary gamer because she kind of like acts like a gamer. Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:25

We would we got Tiffany, like we got they they took out the boring strategist archetype, which I think Rob C would have brought something, but telling the trader right to their face is that oh, it's a live killing going on. There's like two self-aware bits. That's that's why you don't like it.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:40

Yeah. That's the thing, is like when you have people like Ian and Rob Sasperina and stuff, like it's like y'all are just too smart. You're gonna get yourselves killed. Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:46

The trader's like, I mean, they brought back bananas, they brought back Dorinda, they brought back Kate. I wouldn't mind seeing Rob C get another side. Right, nothing, yeah. Maybe make him a trader next time. I really thought he was a secret trader up until I saw his damn index card over in there. Yeah. Because I was like, oh, he probably demanded to be a trader. He probably negotiated that in his contract. And also with Donna, it was three women and one man. I don't think I don't think they yeah. I did not think they were gonna do that, but they tricked my ass.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:16

Right. They made they made it happen. They made it happen. Um, but I I like I I like having like we mentioned earlier with like Lisa Renna and Candace's dynamic, I like having multiple women in the turret together.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:30

They turn right. No, it's fine, it's a gag. We had like Bob and Danielle Keying last time, cackling together. Yeah, that wasn't two women, it wasn't you know a queer man and a woman, or just two black people turned it up, but I loved it. Yeah. That's like I like it when we can see the traders have fun together. Right. And I think these three have more chemistry. Like Carolyn was always just looking dumbfounded, not saying shit, looking around, being paranoid. Like Rob is plotting on them, but he's playing along, I feel. Which I I hate to say it, but I feel like Rob might win the season. That's my thought right now, is that Rob is winning. I could see it. I could see it.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:06

I feel like I feel like similar to Boston Rob last season, like you said, I think he is plotting against his fellow traders, but I think he has like enough restraint. And also, like, he doesn't necessarily have like the reputation that Rob was coming to.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:20

I think he knows I think he sees that, like, oh, they kind of want to go as a team. We have these two housewives. Which I think we might see these three traders last a little minute before they do some traitor on trader violence. Yeah. Unlike last season, where them nickers was like, oh, you're next.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:33

Oh, you're next, oh you're next. Immediately at each other's throats. Um, no, I think he's gonna do some similar shit to Boston Rob last season, but he's gonna like wait longer. He's gonna be more, he's gonna be more like intentional, like slow, careful with it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:47

Um and why I think it'll be against Candace, unfortunately, is one, we have shown we have already been shown that Rena doesn't care about the housewives alliance. Two, I don't know, Rena and Rob seem to have more of a vibe together. One one one for obvious reasons, but I think they just have more similar personalities. And they had like the chess moments together, so they bonded through that. So that's also kind of like that was hard. I'm sure their hearts are beating out their fucking chest.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:14

So yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:15

I just think between all of that, they're gonna bond closer and it's gonna fuck Candace over. And she already said she wants to curse somebody out at the reunion, and I don't think you curse people out of reunions if you win.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:24

So, yeah, no, I think I think well then it kind of it'll it also is Candace, so she could have a million dollars. There's a lot of reasons why she might want to curse someone out. Um, but also, like as Carolyn said, uh, she made a Carolyn made a comment that sent me and wanted I can't remember which episode exactly it was, but she she said Rina would run over her own grandmother. She didn't say that. I wonder if Rina's gonna bring that up at the reunion. Like, excuse me, bitch, when it comes to my grandmother.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:51

And Caroline might stand on this. She's not scared of the reunion. And at first she was a little UTR, but her little Caroline Simmer's little moments. Like, I'm enjoying her. Like, she's not doing a lot, but she's been funny and quippy.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:03

I think she's funny and quippy, and I think she is like very, very smart. So I could I could see her, I could see her good, I could see her like rising and being a really good, strong faithful throughout the season.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:13

Yeah, I wonder if her and Mora will do like a little UK link up. That's another person I'm watching, is Mora. I like what I see. She's smart, she's pretty, she's she has the potential. And she's getting enough screen time where I think she's gonna be pivotal in the game.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:26

Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:26

Eric, no, I'm surprised by it too. Obviously, I think he's fine to look at, but usually there's somebody who's just like there in the background, like that Kevin guy in that one season. Sam Masgari for the longest time was kind of just there. Which I thought he would be too, but he's actually giving like reads and insight.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:42

So I'm wondering if they'll pop out more. And and and and the and the and the gay royal last season, whatever his name was. Oh god, Eva.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:50

Yeah, Ivan. He was just taking things being annoying.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:54

Just be in there existing and then wins.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:56

Uh but uh I mean fucking um Dolores did. I mean, Dolores is giving us no, that's not nice. That's not nice. She was giving us house mom, but fucking Dolores.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:08

Um but I mean, yeah, so like overall, I one thing I was gonna ask you actually, um, before we wrap up, was out of the remaining faithfuls that are still in the game, if what who would you want out of all of them to be recruited as a trader at some point this season if if that happens?

SPEAKER_00 1:19:28

I would love to. I'm trying to think who I would enjoy to see as a trader. I think from an entertainment factor, I would love to see how Tiffany navigates being a traitor. Tiffany Armonet being a trader.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:39

Okay, that'd be fun.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:42

I didn't think they would be interested. I don't think Natalie would be an interesting trader. I think she'd just be so fucking aggressive. I think Natalie would get him there and immediately turn on another trader. Like possibly quite possibly.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:52

Quite possibly. It's really it's it's really hard, but I kind of would love to see Yam Yan be a trader.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:04

Ooh, I think Yam Yan would be a good trader.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:09

I think I think he has the smarts and everything, and I think that's definitely on the social side, I feel like. Yeah, I think I think he's making good connections with people and everything. I and I feel like um because he's defended himself so well against trader accusations so in like in these early round tables, I feel like for him to become a traitor later, he could like definitely sprint right to the end and win if he was.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:34

Oh yeah. He just needs to play the alliance sides a while, which I think he is. He seems to be making bonds.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:40

Yeah. So I would love to see it.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:44

I'm already eating with Candace as a trader, so I don't want to get too greedy, but right, right. In terms of who I want to see Gone Next, um Rappaport and Closet Colti would be the great next two banishments are murders.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:55

Oh, that's that would be fabulous. If we could do if we could do a like a one-two boom, like get them both out in the same episode, that'd be fabulous.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:01

I just get the same block episodes. I know tomorrow we'll get episode four and five, so if one goes episode four, one goes episode five, you know what? I'm into it. I'm into it.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:10

Right. Yeah, I would love I would love to I agree with you. I would love to see them, especially just Michael. I would love to see Michael Rapaport just fucking go. I'm sick of it.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:18

I'll I'll take Colton stay around a little bit longer if we can get rid of the.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:21

Well, I mean, at least Col at least Colton doesn't have that big of a presence, so he's not like around that much to annoy.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:26

In the beginning, I thought they were gonna make him the pilot Pete Dylan Ephron, but they didn't.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:32

And you're gonna put himself with the gay, he's like, oh, of course I'm in the gay boat. I was like, I forgot you were even part of the community, girl.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:42

Well let me be nice.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:45

Let me be nice to turkey hairline. Let me be nice to turkey hairline.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:48

Oh lord, have mercy. Um on that note, on a real note, do you do you have any final thoughts?

SPEAKER_00 1:21:54

No final thought. Just ready for the episodes tomorrow. Let us know your thoughts. We'll posted on TikTok about it, but I'm excited. I'll be tuned in. I already have the peacock app loaded up, but that was what I hear.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:08

I ain't here quite yet, honey. Well, I I'm gonna I'm gonna be waiting once again until Sunday to watch, so let's see if I can dodge these spoilers.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:15

Well, I I think you should watch and then just pretend to be surprised at your mother.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:19

I would never do her like that.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:20

That's that's that's fine. You would do a man like that. You would do a man like that.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:26

Oh wow. Well, it's not it's not my mother, is it? Um I have loyalty to my mother and to our Lord and Savior, and that's it.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:41

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SPEAKER_00 1:23:06

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SPEAKER_03 1:23:15

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SPEAKER_00 1:23:21

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SPEAKER_03 1:23:33

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SPEAKER_00 1:23:40

Right? Because I'm writing your name down.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:42

Oh, well, I'm I'm gonna be good, I'm gonna be caroling and disagree with you just because.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:47

Well, we have a short list, Noah. That that the secret trader Keeley Williams provided.