Wicked For Good: The Good, The Bad and the Messy

Aidan and Noah recap the most marketed movie of their lifetime without having ever seen the musical. Is Nessarose a menace? Did Dorothy deserve her fate for taking red bottoms that didn't belong to her? Were the original songs good choices?

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:15

Welcome back, Note Takers. This is Noah Aaron with the Honor Real Note Podcast.

SPEAKER_01 0:19

And this is Aiden. I did not put sanctions on the Munchkins to not allow them to travel outside of Munchkin land. That was Nessa Rose.

SPEAKER_00 0:25

Oh, but did you notice that Madame Morable MM upside down becomes wicked web?

SPEAKER_01 0:34

We pretend to be gagged in the audience. She's having a time with that every time she's fucking doing it.

SPEAKER_00 0:44

I know, and it makes me so mad that people are calling her cringe and stuff. I'm like, let that, she is a six-year-old woman.

SPEAKER_01 0:50

It's a little quick, but she's an old-ass lady. Let her be, let her be her.

SPEAKER_00 0:53

I love it. She I love Michelle. I think I'm gonna be honest, I was not prior to Wicked, I was not super familiar with her. But I have like just in the movies themselves, as well as the press tour and everything, like I I enjoy her. I love me some Michelle. Oh, yeah, no.

SPEAKER_01 1:10

It was clear in part one that she could act her ass off. I knew that she was in things. I knew she was in everything everywhere all at once. I know she was in crazy rich Asians. Don't drag me, but I have never seen those. But I know they're like, Okay, okay. I was gonna say, because I've never seen either of those movies either, and I feel like I'm waiting to watch them on like a flight, you know? Like you know, but I heard everything everywhere all at once was good. I almost was gonna watch it, but I was like, do I wanna cry right now? Like, I feel like it's a thing that's gonna make me sob. And you know how to- We'll won a bunch of options. I have to be I have to be in the mood for it.

SPEAKER_00 1:41

Well, today we are obviously talking about Wicked. I mean, you you guys read the title. You you I know our fans are literate. I know some other podcast fans they aren't, but you guys are. Um you guys are the note takers. But uh But yes, today we are talking about Wicked Part 2. Um, in case you missed it, you might want to rewind about a year ago because we did do a like kind of I don't know if I mean I feel like it's not really a review, it's more of a discussion that we just have. We're just like, let's talk about this movie we like to watch.

SPEAKER_01 2:09

Because we have a podcast and we just use it to talk about whatever we want to talk about.

SPEAKER_00 2:12

Exactly, exactly. So we did do a discussion on Wicked Part 1 literally about a year ago when it came out. So if you want to run back real quick and listen to that one, feel free. Otherwise, today we will be covering part two. Obviously, spoiler alert. This is not, you know, one of those YouTube videos where it's a spoiler-free review. Like, we are gonna be really going in, talking spoilers, and you know, it's not really structured. We're gonna be jumping around wherever, so you know, just watch the whole movie ahead of time before you listen to this shit.

SPEAKER_01 2:45

And I will say, if you are like a wicked stand, you know the stage show, you know all the T, we may not be the most informed on the stage show in the TV. Like we did our research, but we're not those girls. Although I grew up in New York, so I always saw those damn commercials. They called one good and the other wicked. Like that shit aired everywhere. But Wicked it was for a long time. It was hard to get tickets, it was expensive, like, and Glee just continued that shit on. I just never got around to it, but I still would love to see the musical.

SPEAKER_00 3:11

But I went too, and that's in because that's in because prior to going into the first movie, I had never seen the stage play, I had never read the book, so I definitely was going into these movies, and you know, basically since seeing the first one for the last year, I've been dodging spoilers like Monique dodged that walrus. Like I've I've been dodging spoilers for a year now because I really wanted to, and I you know, I there's like a few like small things that got spoiled for me, but I feel like I managed to avoid most of the major ones for the last year.

SPEAKER_01 3:42

I got some shit spoiled. Well, I got two things spoiled for me. But one wasn't like it was kind of out of context. Well, one was a TikTok where it was like this lady in a wheelchair with like sparklers cackling, and then they were like, oh, Nessa Rolls and part two to the mutkins. So I'm like, what does she do to these mutkins? Which I eventually found out.

SPEAKER_00 4:03

She's gonna the damn fascist.

SPEAKER_01 4:04

Right? But I thought she was really gonna blow them up. So I was like, oh, she just you know closes the borders. But you have to understand I was going in like, oh, she's gonna blow them the fuck up. Like So I was like, oh okay, it's that, it's that. And then the other spoiler was the wizard being her daddy. Which I forgot about until like Ariana, not Ariana, Glinda got the Glinda had the bottle. I was like, oh shit, oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah. So like the spoiler wasn't fresh in my mind, so I kind of forgot it. So overall, I was like mostly unspoiled. I was still kind of gagged. Right.

SPEAKER_00 4:39

One thing, and I um so because I knew like a little bit of Wicked just because my mom is a really big fan. She saw, you know, humble brag on her part, but she saw the original Broadway cast like 20 years ago or whatever. Um when she was visiting New York City. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 4:55

And she left your ass at home in in second grade.

SPEAKER_00 4:58

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I I did not get to go to New York and see Wicked. I did not get to a New York City. You did not get to see Kristen Channel with an Adina Menza. Yeah, I didn't get it.

SPEAKER_01 5:05

I mean, not the stacked cast to see. Right. By the time I got around to see it, it'd probably be that bitch from the Glee project.

SPEAKER_00 5:10

Right. Well, and she's and she's read she see she saw that and she's read the book like multiple times. So she's to to be fair, she's a pretty big Wicked fan.

SPEAKER_01 5:21

Um we should have had her on the episode. Right.

SPEAKER_00 5:24

Well, my original motivation for even seeing the first movie was partially because I was going with her. I mean, ultimately, like as it got closer, it's like, oh, we can cover this in the podcast, we can do this or whatever. But originally I went to see the first movie because my mom hates going to the movies by herself. She likes to go with somebody. Um so usually, usually if my mom, because my mom doesn't go to the movies very often, but when she does, she's gotta find somebody to go with her, and usually that person is me. Um so but yeah, that that was kind of my my knowledge of it. And then there were certain things that not necessarily spoilers, but because I grew up watching The Wizard of Oz, there were certain things that I kind of expected or thought would be the case, because even though it's not the Wizard of Oz, obviously there's so many things in common. Um so there were certain things that I expected to happen just based off of the Wizard of Oz as well. Which some of those things did and some of those things didn't.

SPEAKER_01 6:24

That was kind of my perspective or knowledge of Wicked. I don't like I knew it was like a different side of the story with focus on the Wicked Witch. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:32

Well, didn't you di I am I making this up? Because I I could have sworn at some point you told me that you've never seen The Wizard of Oz. Like the original movie.

SPEAKER_01 6:39

Oh, I I haven't.

SPEAKER_00 6:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:41

I've seen The Wiz. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 6:44

So I feel like I mean you you the same thing. Yeah, you've seen you've seen a version of the story. You've seen a version of the story.

SPEAKER_01 6:50

It's more colorful. Yeah, I saw I think I well, I didn't watch like the full original one, but I definitely remember like seeing it in the house at some point. Yeah. And then they when they remember when they were doing it in like 2018? They were doing a bunch of those a lot, like every music they do like a random live production with a bunch of celebrity stunt castings.

SPEAKER_00 7:06

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:08

I watched that one too, I believe.

SPEAKER_00 7:10

Oh, okay. Yeah, oh yeah, I know what you're talking about. Like when they did like Grease Live and the Rocky War page.

SPEAKER_01 7:14

It was like it was like they were all back to back and then it died off. Remember that track?

SPEAKER_00 7:18

That was crazy. Well, you know what?

SPEAKER_01 7:20

And Vanessa Hudgens act like she could sing a lot.

SPEAKER_00 7:22

Uh well I remember I remember Vanessa Hudgens. The big thing was that like her dad died like that the day before.

SPEAKER_01 7:29

Oh, now I feel bad, Dragon.

SPEAKER_00 7:30

On the same day of the You didn't tell me that part. Of the live broadcast, and she still performed, and people were like, You got Vanessa Hudgens.

SPEAKER_01 7:39

Well, no one no one told me that. Well, you know what? But it's okay, it's it's okay because we're supposed to be honest, right? I'm sorry, Vanessa Hudgens. But you know, the the one I saw, it was like Mary J. Blige was there, Amber Riley was there. I think Neo was the Tin Man.

SPEAKER_00 8:00

I think I think the only of those like live broadcasts, I think the only one that I watched was the Rocky Horror Picture Show one with Lover and Cox, and that was pretty good. Oh, period.

SPEAKER_01 8:11

I don't think I watched any of them live. I watched it on repeat at some point. Yeah. I know I saw a clip of Vanessa Hudgett singing because it was in the news.

SPEAKER_00 8:19

Yeah. Well, on to Wicked Part 2. So obviously, Wicked Part 1 ends with uh and you know, Alphabet flies off, does her thing. And then at first, like, so when I first watched this movie, um, which was recently, I'm talking like as if I watched this like years ago, I just came out. Um, but when I first watched this movie, I was a little bit confused about how much time had passed in between movies because um, like obviously there's been some machine again's characters like look different, but not dramatically different. Um, and you know, there's been changes in the in the world that we're in. You know, the Yellowbrick Road is almost complete, all that. And so thankfully, some people that are like, I guess, more perceptive than me pointed out that Madame Morable has a like a little a brief line at some point in the beginning of the movie where she mentions that like 12 moontides have passed, so basically 12 months. So it's been a year.

SPEAKER_01 9:22

Moontides clock ticks can you just tell time like the regular people?

SPEAKER_00 9:26

Well, I saw I saw the d the director, Mr. Chu himself. Um, he was saying that the reason why they had like just like some and like some really silly things that they like had to differentiate is because he said he wanted to like make it clear, as clear as possible and feel as clear as possible that like this is not taking place in our world. This is a whole separate world, they're their own thing.

SPEAKER_01 9:52

That makes sense. Yeah. And and they do establish that quite well.

SPEAKER_00 9:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:56

And I think um and I think it was The Munchkins could have been a little differentiated more, but Right.

SPEAKER_00 10:02

Well, I I mean I feel like in the original Wizard of Oz, the munchkins are very well, I mean, first of all, they're they're all played by little people, and like their costuming and prosthetics and everything are very distinctive, but I feel like nowadays in the 2020s, that probably wouldn't be received very well.

SPEAKER_01 10:21

That's true. But like costuming could have done something. They're spending five hours putting making um Cynthia green.

unknown 10:28

Right.

SPEAKER_01 10:28

You don't gotta make them orange, like no umpa loompas, but I don't know. But that's just a sidebar. They they definitely could have made it a he did a good job at establishing it as like a fantasy-ish world.

SPEAKER_00 10:38

Yeah, for sure. And um, so it picks up like you know, a year off of the end of the last one. You know, we got our girl Alphabus. She's she's she's still being, you know, an iconic activist um for the animals and for the cots. Um she's she's causing trouble for the for the wizard and his and his concubine morable. Umcubine. Well, I just want to drag that lady because she was pissing me off in this movie even more than the last one with her antics. Um Oh my god. And then during the opening, during the opening number Everyday More Wicked, which by the way was a banger. I enjoyed every single song in this movie, by the way. I agree.

SPEAKER_01 11:20

Oh, I think this I think the songs in the part one were a little more, you know, the the bigger songs, the grander songs, the more fun ones. But the these had some good ones too. And I forgot that I knew as long as you're mine until I was playing. I was like, oh, they either did this on Glee, are from my Tumblr era, I had to listen to this. But I but Leah Michelle probably demanded to do this on Glee, to be honest, so. But yeah, as I was starting, I was like, oh, I do know this one. The rest of the ones I didn't really know.

SPEAKER_00 11:50

And just for the most part, the music in this one compared to the last one. The last one was very eppy, very hopeful, optimistic. The music in this one was very like it reflected the tone of the movie where it was a little bit darker, a little bit more I think emotionally charged. Even like even songs that are technically, I guess, more upbeat in their sound, like thank goodness and um wonderful. Those songs they kind of still have like that kind of like underlying vibe to them, like if you're really paying attention to where it's something a little more like with thank goodness, there's like a certain level of still like sadness to it. While with Wonderful, it reflects the plot point of the fact that Alphabet is being manipulated, and it's like it's kind of got like a sinister undertone to it. Um and I think they did a good job in a lot of ways at kind of shifting the tone of this movie while still keeping it consistent with the first part to where it still feels like you're watching a two-part set.

SPEAKER_01 13:00

Which I think was hard for them to do, it seemed like it seems like there was a lot of just like throwing shit together. It didn't really feel cohesive. And it made me think like, is the source material like this? Which looking up reviews and whatnot, it seemed to be. But I do think that a lot of the music in part one is like flashier. A lot of the music in part two is also like a re a reprieve of stuff from like part one. It's not as like fresh or new, so I think that plays a role as well.

SPEAKER_00 13:30

Yeah. Yeah, and I I have seen people say that when it comes to the stage play, well, first of all, people have said that act one is significantly longer than act two, that act two when like when it's performed on stage is only about 45 minutes. Um so they re and they really like added a lot to this to make the movie as long as it was.

SPEAKER_01 13:54

It seemed like it, because it's not like meandering. I'm gonna say, okay, so what's well, what's the end goal here? Well, like what are we bubbling up to?

SPEAKER_00 14:00

Right. Well, and we got and like they added two new songs and like they kinda a they definitely added to it comp from what I've seen compared to what people say about the stage show. And I think a lot of people say that they did have their work kind of cut out for them with this one because it seems like most Wicked fans are of the opinion that when like the people that have seen the stage show, uh most of them are of the opinion that the act two is a lot weaker than act one. Um that's definitely the concept of it. Yeah. And I don't know, I feel like I I feel like when we look at just the response to this movie the I feel like when it comes to like the the major critics and whatnot in those reviews, those have been I think very, very negative, and in my opinion, kind of to a certain degree, kind of unfairly negative. Well, I think the audience response has been a little bit more mixed. I've seen some people that are like prepared to defend this movie with their life, honey, and I've seen other people that have expressed a lot of disappointment um in how it turned out.

SPEAKER_01 15:05

Well, I will say I think you're the only one I've spoken to that thinks it's at least on par with part one. Oh, I'm not sure. Everyone else I think has oh you like it better? I everyone else has I think has said part one eclipses this, which I agree with. Yeah. I just was not as entertained. Like I was kind of in the theater, like, okay, okay. I was gagging my girl Dulcey Bear showed up, though. I was like, okay, Dulcey Bear, bitch. That made up for a lot seeing my girl Dulcey Bear, but for the most part, I was just like, okay, we're gonna do the story, Dorothy's here.

SPEAKER_00 15:37

Yeah, I think for me, I kind of enjoyed the darker tone that the movie took. I felt like Of course you did. Well, I mean, you know what? I'm allowed to enjoy I'm allowed to enjoy what I enjoy. You you are, you are. But I don't tip to me, this movie felt like it felt like it was more serious. It felt like there were higher stakes for the characters in comparison to the first movie. Um And honestly, in general, like when when movies like this are split into like two parts, I I feel like I have a tendency to like the second part better than the first part anyway. Like I feel like that's just that's like a me thing. Um I think you know what I th you know what I think it is, I think I like the fact that there's more resolution. I don't like a cliffhanger.

SPEAKER_01 16:23

Uh oh, you like when it just gets settled.

SPEAKER_00 16:25

Well, I think, yeah, I like some resolution. I like some resolution. I get that.

SPEAKER_01 16:29

Um I think because like I think they could have done a lot more with part two that I think would probably move it away from its PG rating. Right. Yeah, like because I don't think I felt a threat of danger. Like they didn't feel like they were trying to kill Alpha Ba. It was just a go-away bitch, you know, it was like it wasn't like it was like trying to get a mouse out of your house versus trying to kill, like, I don't know. Somebody who made it your house. I felt like And I think there was also a lot more world, like, I don't know. I guess because I'm a I'm intrigued by world building, so I would have liked to learn more about like Oz and you know how the regions work together and why is Nessa doing this? Like what role do the munchkins play? Like maybe I wanted a geopolitical film, but like none of that was explained. I think there was a lot of world building they could have like done. Yeah, no, I that it just ignored, that just feels like it's just we're following bitches around.

SPEAKER_00 17:14

Right, I agree with that. And I think I think as far as um I do think that there were some aspects of it that did kind of like push push the PG rating a little bit, though. I feel like there were some parts of this movie that to me like felt straight up like not not not not a movie for children. Um because I mean one, I think the the scene where Bach turns into the Tin Man felt like something out of a damn horror movie. I was like, oh, this is some scary shit.

SPEAKER_01 17:43

That was somebody disfiguration that's a good one.

SPEAKER_00 17:45

That thing, yeah. Like when he Well, because I mean, first of all, like when he when he came busting out through that door with the axe, like I was I was really scared for Nesserose because I didn't know that she was gonna be the one. Well, I mean, I guess I kinda knew because she's a wicked witch of the east, but I mean like at that point there was a lot going on. I wasn't even really thinking about that. Like, I was like thinking, like, oh my god, is he about to like axe her to death? Are we gonna say because like I when he came out of there, I really thought he was gonna fucking put it that axe in her ass. Right.

SPEAKER_01 18:13

Um see I never thought that I was like, what is this? What is this is he tried to try to what's he doing? He bad he this bad. I just I was looking at it as a joke. I don't know. He was about to agree. Maybe I don't think Ethan Slater's serious. Maybe I don't think Ethan Slater's serious.

SPEAKER_00 18:27

Well and then, I mean, I f I will say, like, I kind of because I mean I've said I've had a lot to say about Ethan Slater that's not necessarily positive, and I stand by it. But I will say I feel like, to me at least, I felt like he really showed his capabilities as an actor in this movie because I think for in a lot of ways, with the heavy makeup and prosthetics they had on him post-transformation in the Tin Man, it's really hard to really convey much of anything when you've kind of got all that loaded onto your face and you can't really emote the same way that you normally would. But the later on when he when he looks at Glenda when he like get looks at Glenda, like the the eye acting that he was giving, I was like, oh damn Ethan Slater, you can do all that? Those are the benefits of stage actors.

SPEAKER_01 19:13

I was like, oh, they they have to see the whole the whole auditorium that's a good thing.

SPEAKER_00 19:18

I was like, oh, I was like, okay, SpongeBob. But also beyond that scene, I mean, obviously, there was um there was the scene kind of the entire sequencing at the end with like for good where I was like, Y'all just really want to make people cry because like they made that shit sad as fuck. Those girls on the on the side. Yeah, those girls, like uh the little split screen they did of them on each side of the door sobbing like hysterically, and then Glenda having to watch Alphaba allegedly die. And and my thing is like because I grew up on The Wizard of Oz, like the witch really does melt in that movie and die. So I really like for a moment, I really thought they killed Alphabet. No same.

SPEAKER_02 19:55

I was like, I was like, oh yeah, that's how it ends.

SPEAKER_01 19:58

But then I saw her run away her man. I was like, oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:00

Yeah, it was a scheme set up by Todd. Well, and especially because like they kind of waited a little, like there was a few more scenes before they revealed she was alive. So like, because my thing is like when they did the melting and then immediately just like moved on to other things, I was like, oh, she's actually dead. Um and then also the during No Good Deed Goes Unpunished, what because like during that number, they were doing like little quick flashes of like what was happening to Firo, and that was like intense. That was very violent and graphic. Like he he was basically being crucified. Yeah, crucified. He was in that damn corner. That thing, so I mean, stuff like that made this movie for me, like it really reflected, I think, the tonal shift in the first because I can't like just like sequences like that, like the Tin Man Transformation, like Firo's almost death, Alphabet's death, and everything, like I just cannot I literally could not if I tried put those sequences into the first movie as they are and like have it work because the tones are just so different.

SPEAKER_01 21:10

Yeah, no, there's a good tonal shift. And maybe that's why they added in those two weak ass ballads instead of giving us a popular part two, giving us an RB number. Oh, you did you didn't like the new songs? I I thought I didn't like them, and I was like, did the movie need two more ballads?

SPEAKER_00 21:27

Well, Girl in the Bubble kind of felt like it kind of felt like I said we could have used an up tempo RB number. I don't know. Okay. We'll see. We'll see, you're you're like those bitches that were telling Ariana, like, we want to make popular an RB song. Yup, and I would have been a here. And Ariana was like, I don't think so. And they probably told her the same shit this time. She's like, no, I'm gonna do a ballad. She's like, I'm gonna perform a ballad. Y'all can do what you want to do, but I'm gonna perform a ballot. Well, Girl in the Bubble kind of felt like a sad version of popular to me. Yeah. Like, I feel like they could have made that up too. But I I I see what they were going for. Right. One just like the song itself, I feel like instead of Girl in a Bubble, they could have just sub they could have just input a reprise of Popular and just like t like twitch the the sound of it a little bit to make it sad. Like I feel like and they could have had the same effect.

SPEAKER_01 22:19

I would have been into that.

SPEAKER_00 22:21

Um but also I I did really like Alphabet's new song, No Place Like Home. I thought I thought it was a cute nod. I like that. Yeah, I thought it was a cute nod to Judy Garland's number in the original movie.

SPEAKER_01 22:36

And I think it just worked because it just showed the overlasting theme of like why she needed to leave. Like they need somebody to hate, but she still loves this place, even though they they fucked with her. What I think I think that one was a it was it was needed. Yeah, it fit with like where it was in the in the storyline.

SPEAKER_00 22:53

Yeah, when I think it just it like you said, like, as far as like her needing to leave and everything, and I think it contributes so much because this movie like really doesn't have a happy ending. Like it does not like this movie does not have like a happy ending or conclusion. There's a conclusion, but not a happy one. Um I mean because I mean it's very obvious that if it were up to Alphabet, like she would stay in Oz, everything would be cute and good, but she like literally is basically exiled. Uh and that's why I wanted more world building, because because what is the beyond there? Just the desert? Like that's the thing, is like when the animals were going to like that beyond land uh Yeah, they were on the Underground Railroad. Alphabet was like basically like, how how the fuck are you gonna survive out there?

SPEAKER_01 23:35

So I'm kind of like, what exactly Right? What do you go do?

SPEAKER_00 23:38

Well, I'm wondering if it's a case of like because they already know there's nothing out there, or is it a case of it's just like the unknown, like they don't know where it goes? I almost part of me when her and Fierra were down there, I almost wondered if it was like if it was like some Barbie movie type shit where they were gonna go into the real world, but I was like, I don't know how that works.

SPEAKER_01 23:58

Maybe maybe Oz borders China. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 24:03

Oh, you you know China wouldn't treat Alphaba well.

SPEAKER_01 24:07

No. I don't even know what they're doing with this movie in China. Are they gonna take Alphaba off the poster like they do in other movies? Remove the black person?

SPEAKER_00 24:15

Possibly. They might let her slide because she's green. Um, we'll see how Wick it does globally.

SPEAKER_01 24:22

But we'll we'll get to box office discussions. Right. What else did I like? The cowardly line was a weak ass bitch. Why we're talking about the Underground Railroad. He pissed me the fuck up. He pissed me the fuck up. Well, nobody, nobody asked me, like, bitch, did she take you against your woe? Did she take you against your wall?

SPEAKER_00 24:39

Right. Right. I mean, like, whereas like someone like Bach, even though his anger was misplaced, like, he had he had every right to be angry. His anger was just on the wrong person. But like the cowardly line, I'm like, you have you have no reason to be angry. What are you mad about?

SPEAKER_01 24:59

Weak ass bitch. And I know it's supposed to be like the other side of the story, but how do those how do those four link up again?

SPEAKER_00 25:09

Oh, like in the original Wizard of Oz? I mean, basically, in the original Wizard of Oz, Dorothy, because originally she starts the story with none of them. Glinda just sends her off on the yellow brick road, be like, oh, follow this, and you go and get to the wizard. And like along the way, she meets each of them. Like, she meets the cowardly lion in the forest, she meets um the scarecrow. Because I think the scarecrow, I think he's up on I think he's like up on the scarecrow stick thing, and she gets him down. Oh, okay. She uncrucifies him. She uncrucifies him just like the just like you know, Mother Mary or whatever. Uh and then I think the tin man, when they run into him, he's like, he can't move because he's rusted up, so she gets some oil for him so he can move again. Gotcha. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:55

And the whole time the tin man don't know that his the bitch is wearing his ex's red bottoms.

SPEAKER_00 26:02

Right. Well, I think, yeah, and I that's that's one thing. I try not to think too hard about the connection between the women, like in that regard, because there's definitely some things that don't add up. That's fair.

SPEAKER_01 26:12

Like, bitch, I'm choosing the real families. Like, I don't you got those a candlest girl.

SPEAKER_00 26:18

I mean, maybe that's why maybe maybe that's why he liked Dorothy. He was like, oh, you iced that bitch.

SPEAKER_01 26:24

I mean, that's true. He probably oh, you told them bitch's shoes. I like that.

SPEAKER_00 26:28

Not not the Tin Man talking about someone finally got up.

unknown 26:31

Right.

SPEAKER_00 26:34

Well, because like lit because like in the original Wizard of Oz, like literally, like after the house lands on the Wicked Witch of the East and Dorothy comes out, like all of the munchkins are like, yeah. That thing, like they're well now we know why. They could have leaned They could have leaned. That's an cheering her on in the original movie. Glenda's like Glenda shows up and she's like, Oh, you did that girl. Like you took her, you took that bitch out. I did I did what? Well, that thing, and and Dorothy's sitting there like, I I I wasn't trying to kill nobody. Um, but Okay, okay. Yeah, that's kind of that's so I mean they they did stay true to the munchkins hating that bitch. When like I I noticed that like during um during the storm and everything when fucking Nessa Rose is wheeling around screaming about Bach. Um I I noticed none of those munchkins offered her shelter. They all went to their house and closed and locked the windows.

SPEAKER_01 27:36

They were picking up the blinds, like, oh, y'all see that bitch out there? You see that stupid huh? Um Well let's let's be. I feel like if you're if you're gonna be a tyrant, why are you living amongst the sorry people? Like, you know, I don't know. Well that's it. I think you could have set that up better.

SPEAKER_00 27:52

I guess, but also like we don't I don't really know because they didn't really establish like how far the governor's house is from like we like I don't know that for all we know that girl could have been wheeling around for hours.

SPEAKER_02 28:05

That's true.

SPEAKER_00 28:06

And she seemed determined enough to do it, she seemed determined enough to do it. Right. Um but let's let's actually talk about some of the characters themselves and their evolution in this movie, starting with Nessa Rose, because I want to talk about that bitch. Um my thing is I knew Nessa Rose was no good in the first movie when uh Glinda had Bach asked her on a date, and then she was telling her sister Alphab about it, and she was like, and don't you dare say another negative word against Glinda. She she she got me a man. I'm like, okay, so wait a second. I'm like this this girl, this girl Glinda has been like ruthlessly bullying your sister and turning the whole school against her this whole time, making her an outcast and and and being racist and shit. And you're and you're telling her, like, don't say anything bad about her because she got me some like munchkin dick. That's kind of crazy.

SPEAKER_01 28:59

Let's hope the dick a munchkin size show.

SPEAKER_00 29:01

Well, that's what I'm saying. It's just like to me, like, that's the moment I knew that Nestorose was no good, followed up by at the odds death when everyone was bullying her sister and she just and she just sat there, like literally.

SPEAKER_01 29:12

Pick me ass, bitch. It's like you always mess it up for me. I mean, I gave Nestorose some grace. Even throughout the even throughout her tyranny. So I was like, well, she no one's no one's showing her how to lead to become a governor young. Like, you know, she was just thrown into this. And here Bach goes fucking with her. Because like, where are her advisors? Where's the governor? Where's her army? So I I'm probably taking too much into it, but I'm just like, You're setting yourself up to be beheaded, girl. Like, if it wasn't gonna if it wasn't gonna be the house, the monkeys would have ran up in the governor's office and killed you anyway, cuz you ain't seem to have no guards. You ain't seem to have nothing. But I was only trying to give her the benefit of the doubt until she lied on Alphaba again when Bach showed up in part two. And that moment I was like, the house can fall on you, girl.

SPEAKER_00 30:00

Yeah, what I noticed that kind of disappointed me was the fact that we did not in this movie get any d scenes with m uh Madame Morable and Alphaba actually interacting with each other like face to face directly. Um Alphaba should have let her ass up. Well, why? And that's the thing is considering like their dynamic and the previous movie and like where they're and kind of the arc of their relationship in the previous movie, like I don't know. I was kind of expecting some kind of confrontation between them, like something, you know? Um and it's so weird to be. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, I just like I I figured something like because I mean Morable probably did Alphaba dirtier than anyone in the last movie. Um so I don't know, it's just weird to me. And like, I think I think they did a really good job showing I think kind of like having everything come to roost with the dynamic between Morable and and Glinda from the first movie to the end of this one. Like I feel like that was a very satisfying arc for them. So I just wish they could that was one of my complaints, is I wish that they could have given Alphaba something like that too. But I guess it makes sense to me because this is already like this movie's already a long movie, they're already struggling for like what they can keep, what they have to cut.

SPEAKER_01 31:24

So maybe they could maybe they just wasn't in the stage play at all, which is also a weird choice, but Yeah. No, that could have happened. Yeah. Apparently in the book, Alphaba went to go kill the bitch, but she found out she was already dead, so she fucked up her grave, which is crazy.

SPEAKER_00 31:38

Oh, that is crazy. Um nothing I it it feels like because in the first movie it felt like Glinda and Morible's dynamic was a little bit more petty, just basically like Morable saw Glinda as a pest that she was just annoyed with having to deal with. Um, versus Alphaba was like someone that she was actively like manipulating and using, and you know, she committed this really insane act of betrayal against her. And in the second movie, it feels like the dynamic between Glinda and Morable gets significantly more serious. Um and yeah, like overall, like I said, I feel like that was. She almost chokes his ass out before I choke you out with this umbrella with this broom.

SPEAKER_01 32:44

Uh the wizard's still a scamming ass bitch.

SPEAKER_00 32:47

Yeah. I feel like in this movie though, because I feel like in the first movie there was a little bit more mystery to the wizard, and like as a villain and everything, versus in this movie, I think they make it really clear that he's kind of like a bumbling idiot. And that like that morble really is just like the full brains behind the operation. He's just kind of there.

SPEAKER_01 33:07

Pretty much he's just clamoring to kind of maintain power, do whatever he needs to do. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:12

And I will say though, that like as much as he gave Bumbling Idiot, like the scene where like we mentioned earlier, where Alphabet discovers like the animals that he has in the cages and everything like that, and that little fucked up gulag ass shit. Um, like, that definitely added a much darker vibe to his character. I was like, I was like, oh, you really are just evil. Well. Yeah. And Jeff Goldblum, I mean, we haven't really talked about his performance so far in this episode, but I do feel like he delivered a great performance, similar to Michelle Yeo, where he's gotten a lot of criticism for um not having necessarily the same vocal abilities as some of the other actors of this movie. But honestly, I feel like his to to me, his singing because he had very limited singing parts anyway, and the singing parts that he did have weren't like big, like vocally like vocal powerhouse type performances. And what I've read is that apparently even in the Broadway production, like the Wizard had very limited actual singing um in the stage play, and that as a result of that, a lot of the actors on Broadway that have played the wizard aren't necessarily like known for being vocal powerhouses.

SPEAKER_01 34:33

Which again was an interesting choice, but you know, sometimes you gotta I don't know, make sacrifice a choice for acting. Right. When I feel like I'm fine with the casting choices overall, but I know people have a lot of opinions on Morable.

SPEAKER_00 34:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:46

I felt like the Wizard was just kind of like there. Like you could have recast him, you could have been fine. I think he did a good he did a fine job.

SPEAKER_00 34:51

I don't think so though, because for me, and maybe it's just be and it might it might literally just because I'm a big Jeff Goldblum fan. But um, I feel like with him and Michelle watching the play their characters, like I feel like they just really did a great job encapsulating those characters and like s and like giving a great performance, kind of giving the right vibe for them. That I really like when I think of like other like better singers that they could have cast, like I just don't see them really bringing as satisfying of an energy to the role, you know.

SPEAKER_01 35:22

I agree with Michelle Yo. I mean I'm not saying Jeff Globum was bad, but the wizard was just the wizard to me. He was just he was there.

SPEAKER_00 35:28

I think for me is I feel like he did a great job bringing like the scam artist quality to the wizard. He does look like a scamming ass bitch. Yeah, so I feel like that's like he I feel like he deli he like just delivered there. Um but moving on from those evil ass fa evil ass fascists, um, let's talk about some figureheads in fascism. Um so Fiero he has an interesting arc across the two movies. Um and what's interesting with me, Fiero, is that he's kind of like he's kind of an asshole because I mean in a lot of ways um he contributed a lot to like how this shit goes wrong with pretending to be like more interested in Glinda than he actually is, while actually really wanting her friend. And you know, it's like the way over like the time skip that he kind of just stuck by Glinda while secretly wanting Alphaba, and the way he went about like leaving Glinda on their wedding night to go be with Alphaba was just crazy to me.

SPEAKER_01 36:33

Um wrapping around that big ass cardigan and that lady's fucking Right.

SPEAKER_00 36:39

Well, it's just like that lady's cabin. Yeah, so like to me, Fiero made some very interesting choices that that kind of led to like some of the bullshit. Um but then again, I feel like pretty much like I feel like most of the characters. Like that's what I find.

SPEAKER_01 36:57

Whatever the time passes once. We do kind of get the one year, but then we do kind of just get him like, okay, just go along with shit.

SPEAKER_00 37:05

Right. Well I think all we really know is that he's you know been with Glinda that whole time, and that he is the captain of like whatever the Oz police force is, basically. Um when we see, because at first we see that What? Oh, he's not a pig. Uh-huh. We see that he's very determined to like find Elphaba, but then like it quickly becomes apparent that the reason why he's so determined is because he's essentially trying to save her because he wants to find her before anyone else does, before they can essentially harm her. Um and it seems like I mean, as we saw by the end of the first movie, he was kind of going through this transition of kind of like these moral dilemmas and like com and starting to kind of like see have a starting to kind of develop a completely different perspective because of Alphabet. And in this movie, we really see that kind of coming to roost in the sense that he and Glinda are both kind of putting on this facade and are kind of have become part of the propaganda machine for Oz and for the Wizard immorable. But whereas Glinda is having an easier time kind of just rolling like rolling with it, um, Fierro is clearly, you know, struggling and is like very obviously at the the kind of end of his rope as far as not being able to do it anymore.

SPEAKER_01 38:30

Honestly, I don't understand much of Fiero's motivations this movie area. Do you just want pussy? Like, like what do you stand for, sir?

SPEAKER_00 38:37

I mean I think I think because in the first movie we saw, like I think his whole thing was that he's like that he's shallow, that he doesn't care about anything, it's yada yada yada. And I feel like Alphaba kind of called him out on it, like, well, no, you actually do care about things, and you're not as shallow as you think you are. And I think it kind of created like a bit of an identity crisis for him. So I feel like that's like in this movie what we were seeing unraveling is um we were seeing him. That makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 39:06

I don't have sympathy for 20-year-olds who don't know what the fuck they're doing.

SPEAKER_00 39:11

I feel like similar to Gl. He has like a very similar I think his character in a lot of ways is very similar to Glenda.

SPEAKER_01 39:20

This reminds me of like a like an athlete that's like done with their college sport, they're like, what now?

SPEAKER_00 39:25

I got I feel like for me where I s because I see a lot of similarities between him and Glenda's character where they're both characters who have kind of lived very privileged lives and have had things handed to them and have never really had to like they're kind of just in general, like treated well, beloved by people, by the general public, whatever, and they've never really had to they've never really had to in life go be much deeper than that. And I feel like where they're different is that Fiero kind of ultimately does sacrifice all of that in a way that Glinda doesn't. Like we kind of see at the end of the first movie when Glinda has the option to go with Alphaba, she doesn't. Versus Fiero, when kind of put in the same position, he does choose to go with Alphaba and he pays like some pretty drastic costs for it. So I feel like there's almost like a there's almost like a parallel between him and Glinda where they kind of go opposite ways there when faced with the same decision. I see that. Um and then obviously we see he he he becomes the damn scarecrow. Um and you know what's funny is for me, like because I avoided so much discourse on these movies for the last year to avoid spoilers, but then like after seeing the second one, I'm like, okay, now I can go in here and read these Reddit threads and watch these videos and stuff that I've been avoiding. And the amount of foreshadowing they do in the first movie that Fiero is gonna become the scarecrow is crazy to me now, like in hindsight, when I see those bitches pointing out, I'm like, oh my god. Um like what? Well, so some of the things that people pointed out is that during, especially during Dancing Through Life in the library in the library sequence, they pointed out that some of the choreography he does is basically identical to the little dance that the the scarecrow does in the original Wizard of Oz movie. Like it's like literally the same exact choreo. Okay, little ties. Um, and then also they pointed out that in that same number, a lot of the books around Fiero half like have corn on the book covers and have to do with corn. Um which is kind of funny and like fucked up in a way because he he basically got crucified in a cornfield. Um and then also he has he makes he has a line in the song where he says life is more painless for the brainless or li life is less painless for the brainless, and the scarecrow's whole thing in the original Wizard of Oz is that he wants to have a brain. Oh damn. So there was like a lot of foreshadowing. Um which at the time I didn't think twice about because I I didn't know his ass was gonna be the scarecrow. From the damn Wizard of Oz.

SPEAKER_01 42:11

Um that was another thing I got spoiled. The Tin Man and the Scarecrow.

SPEAKER_00 42:17

You knew he was gonna be the Scarecrow?

SPEAKER_01 42:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:19

Oh did you know Bach was gonna be like? Did you know Bach was gonna be the Tin Man?

SPEAKER_01 42:24

Yeah. But that happened so early, it's like okay.

SPEAKER_00 42:30

Right. When at least they like they made the transformation still like shocking. Like it was kind of like, oh my god, it was intense.

SPEAKER_01 42:37

And I guess it's like a horror movie sequence.

SPEAKER_00 42:39

Yeah, and well, I guess at least you get like the enjoyment of getting to like even if you know it's gonna happen, like not knowing how it's gonna happen, I guess. Unless I don't did that get spoiled for you too.

SPEAKER_01 42:48

Not really the how, but I mean I don't I don't know how else you do that.

SPEAKER_00 42:52

I mean I don't know what I was imagining. Right.

SPEAKER_01 42:56

Well I think um I guess I never thought too much about the how.

SPEAKER_00 42:59

Yeah, I mean Bach and Fiero, they got some of the most brutal I think fates in this movie because I mean Bach literally essentially has his heart ripped out and gets turned into a glorified tea kettle. Um and Fiero gets turned into a f- I mean, Fiero gets the shit beat. Like he basically gets beaten to death and crucified in a fucking cornfield and gets turned into a scarecrow. Although what I find interesting is that like obviously Bach was very like horrified by his transformation, but Fiero, at least from what we saw on screen, he doesn't really seem to care. He's like, okay.

SPEAKER_01 43:29

I mean, I was like seeing him on I mean Bach looks scary as hell in that Tin Man thing. Fiero looks kind of handsome as a scarecrow. I was like, okay. This isn't that bad. Jonathan Bailey. Maybe just Jonathan Bailey's good looks, but I mean I think this this could be more horrific. This could be more horrific. Right. Well, and I think it's just gonna cut us off. So can we get to Glenda and wrap this up?

SPEAKER_00 43:49

Yeah. And then so And then so Glinda, she goes through I I think Glenda goes through an interesting arc between the two movies. Because I feel like I feel like her and Elphaba they both go through a lot and they both go through a lot of character building and a lot of moments or whatever. But I feel like Elphaba is kind of an example of a character, like she already, for the most part, knew who she was from the very beginning. And I feel like by the end of the second movie, she's just like a stronger, more experienced seasoned version of who she originally was. Like I feel like her change, like the change in her character isn't dramatic. Like she had this, you know, she had this already had like um her morals, her values, her mindset, and everything, and she kind of stuck to it. Versus I feel like Glinda had a very like large character transformation from the beginning of the first movie to the end of the second one.

SPEAKER_01 44:50

I mean, we we we see the bitch will learn what empathy is. And clearly the powers that be reward her in the end, because the bitch got some powers for real.

unknown 44:58

Right.

SPEAKER_00 44:59

Well, I feel I d I kind of feel like in this movie, um, they kind of go deeper with Linda because I feel like in the first movie she is very much, she's a little bit more of just like the comedic relief. She's kind of she's I I feel like in the first movie she's more so just there as a device to help develop Alphaba's story. Versus I feel like in this movie where her and Alphaba are a little bit more separated, I feel like she becomes more of her own character and has a little bit more of her own motivation, her own agency. Um like when we see her dragging morble as. Right. One thing, yeah, she kind of she kind of takes on more of like the the dynamic of morble rather than alphabet, as we pointed out. Um And we kind of like we see her like we see like a large yo-yo effect for her in this movie, because in the beginning of this movie, we see her kind of being a part of the propaganda machine and feeling maybe uncertain about it, but like not willing to like let it go. And then the whole wedding thing happens where Fiero leaves her ass and runs off with Alphaba, and we see she is like her ass falling apart and crashing out hard, and she's the one that fucking gives Morible and the wizard the idea to go after an F- Like Well, I mean, technically she didn't necessarily tell them to go after her, she should just she said just start a rumor that Alphaba's in that's in trouble. But I mean, even then though, it's like you're still you're giving them tips on how to lure out your best friends so they can I mean like you know what's gonna happen if they get her, they're gonna kill her. So it's like you you're that mad that she fucked your man, that you want her death? Yeah. But I guess it makes sense because she clearly regrets it afterwards. I think it's more of like a thing of like in the moment, she was so mad that she made a very bad choice.

SPEAKER_01 46:48

No, I think at the moment was like, this bitch ruined my wedding, it was all going great for me. And I think that was when Glinda was like, the facade has died. She was like, oh bitch.

SPEAKER_00 46:56

Yeah, and I think.

SPEAKER_01 46:57

But I'm just a figure. I think it was all crumbling down to the oh shit.

SPEAKER_00 47:00

Yeah, I think that really was the turning point for her character because that's where we really like we see her after that. Um we see her have her fight with Alpha Bush, her remorse over what happened to Nessa. I feel like she feels more sad over what happened to Nessa than Alphaba did. Alphaba Alphaba came there to say goodbye to Nessa, and two seconds later she's cackling while dodging Glinda's hands. Well. But I mean, Nessa was also a terrible sister to her, so I so it's it's whatever. Um And then obviously what happens to Fiero. I feel like I feel like Glinda's drive to change and become and like transform as a character and have development is really based off of like all of the guilt that she has to live with over like choices that she made. Because as far as as far as she's concerned, like her choices led to like the death of Nessa, the death of Firo, the death of Alphabet, the disfigurement of Bach. Um like she's kind of got a lot to feel bad about by the end of this saga.

SPEAKER_01 48:08

I mean she did do quite a lot. On top of all the animal labor for the Yellow Brick Road. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 48:15

And what I find interesting is that at the end of this movie, they actually show us her doing like what Alphabet wanted her to do as far as like liberating the animals, helping the munchkins, like kind of creating this peaceful coexistence in Oz, getting rid of the wizard, getting rid of Morable and everything. And I guess in the stage play, they don't end that way. They just they kind of end with Glinda like saying she's gonna like fix everything, but they don't actually show it, which I find to be an interesting change.

SPEAKER_01 48:45

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 48:46

I mean, it's probably easier to CGI in some fucking koalas and shit in a movie. All these animals coming out of the way. That's what set me though, is that like when Glenda like basically a fucking koala?

SPEAKER_01 48:56

Like what is the biome here? There's a lot of different animals.

SPEAKER_00 48:59

That's what that's what sent me though is when Glenda like basically was like kind of came out and was like, was like, uh hey motherfuckers, y'all got y'all got your rights back. Like they just all came out like they were coming up everywhere. Like there were animals coming out of the little poppy fields, there was animals coming out of the trees. It's like, oh y'all were just sitting around waiting. I guess.

SPEAKER_01 49:16

I guess the underground railroad didn't take them that far. I don't know. Right. What's the thing? I mean Dulcey Bear didn't come back.

SPEAKER_00 49:21

I think she's staying uh No, she came back at the end when all the animals were coming back, there was like a it was like it was a very quick shot, so it was easy to be a little bit more.

SPEAKER_01 49:29

I must have missed, I would have missed it. I missed that in the theater.

SPEAKER_00 49:31

Oh, I don't blame you because it was like a very like quick brief little shot, but you see like a little a quick brief shot of her coming out of the room. Okay, Dulcey Bear. Yeah, Dulce Bear. And now she's coming back like like like oh my girl Alphabet dead.

SPEAKER_01 49:46

Oh Lord, I hope Alphaba go give her a little what's up swings by her, but she probably won't.

SPEAKER_00 49:51

Right. Well, what I found interesting too was the fact that like Alphaba made it clear too at the end, she's like, oh yeah, Glinda's never gonna know that we're actually alive. I was like, oh wow. I'd like she's gonna live with that. I think she's gonna live with that for the rest of her life.

SPEAKER_01 50:06

Well, at least she has her bubble and actual magic now.

SPEAKER_00 50:11

Right.

SPEAKER_01 50:12

But maybe it set us up for Wicked Three, I don't know. I guess we'll find out.

SPEAKER_00 50:17

Oh, not Wicked Part Three. I well I mean I've seen the rumors that apparently uh Universal they like want more wicked movies because of how successful these first two have been. I mean, I'm guessing if they do it, it's probably not gonna be like the Alphaba and Glinda story. I'm guessing they're probably gonna like do spin-offs of like different like Oz-related stories, like in the universe stories, which I think it'd actually be really cool because like you said earlier, like it'd be nice to get some more world building and everything. So maybe yeah, get like put us in the same in the same universe in the same world, but give us different characters and stories. I'd be down for that. I give it a chance. Oh, now we're gonna learn more about the weak ass munchkins. Not the weak ass munchkins. Well, I've I've noticed a lot of people are saying they want a morable prequel, and I'm like, uh. I feel like maybe. I I don't know. Like, it's kind of like the Aunt Gladys prequel for weapons. I'm like, dude, like we know the bitch is evil, like what else do we need to know?

SPEAKER_01 51:13

Well, where where did she get the source of the power? Who what's just power in this? How does she choose her victims? That's true. I think there's a lot we need to know.

SPEAKER_00 51:20

That's true, because I feel like they never really explain like why like they never really explain like who has magical ability and who doesn't and why. Because I mean like because like Alphabet has it, and then obviously, like at it seemed like for a long time Nessa didn't, but I mean Nessa was able to even if she did it wrong, she was able to do something with the Grimmery. Um and then at the It seems like at the very very end they're like, oh, and then and then Glinda gets some power too. So I don't really know like what is the catalyst for like deciding who has power and who doesn't.

SPEAKER_01 51:55

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 51:56

Clearly there's something hereditary though, because when that's that's the thing, is like they never really elaborate if magical ability is something that you're born with or something that you can like develop and learn. Because I mean like Manna Morable, she teaches a seminar on sorcery, but it's like okay, so like can anybody take that and learn how to do sorcery or like like do bitches already have to have some ability and then they can learn?

SPEAKER_01 52:22

Clearly, bad bitches only. Maybe maybe Marble just gets everyone killed who's born with magic, so she's the only one. I don't know. Oh maybe. I don't know. I believe that. I believe that.

SPEAKER_00 52:32

But also as far as her the only magic we actually see her do, if I recall, is just like her fucking weather bullshit. And which uh you saw what that cyclone did? Right? What the I'm I'm like, damn girl, you that thing, like, I guess if she summoned a tsunami the O City, you'd be you'd be feeling those the effects. You you you'd be s well, I I'll tell you what, I wouldn't stand there staring at it while screaming BUK I wouldn't stand there staring at the fucking wave coming at me. I wouldn't go closer to the water.

SPEAKER_01 53:03

Well you're not you're not a dumb dictator, huh? You're not a dumb dictator, huh?

SPEAKER_00 53:08

I'll be damned. I'll be damned if I'm gonna let myself get killed for the likes of Ethan Slater. But um, overall, I think obviously we we have some slightly different opinions on how it all went down, but I think we both had a good time. I think that's safe to say with the movie.

SPEAKER_01 53:28

I I I liked it. I don't regret going there. It was cute.

SPEAKER_00 53:33

Did you did you feel satisfied?

SPEAKER_01 53:34

I was a little bored at the end though. I was like, ooh, get me out of here.

SPEAKER_00 53:37

Did you feel satisfied with the ending? Did you feel satisfied with the ending?

SPEAKER_01 53:44

I mean, I wasn't unsatisfied. I was like, okay, uh, she gets away, she lives with her man. I kind of just like took it at face value. I don't I don't really wasn't expecting much, I don't know. Yeah. I didn't because it was like based off of source material, I wasn't too like analytical about it, I guess. I was like, okay, she gets the guy, she runs away. Glinda has the power, the evil bitches is dead. It's cute.

SPEAKER_00 54:12

I feel like the wit- the wizard got off easy. He just floated away in his little balloon, but we don't really know where he went.

SPEAKER_01 54:19

You wanna blow him the fuck out?

SPEAKER_00 54:21

I guess. I mean, I mean more I mean Morable got dragged away by those m monkeys. That was kind of scary as hell, too. She's probably she's probably in some buttons. She's probably in some because I mean Glinda said something about putting her in a cage. I'm like, is she in some fucked up gulag like those animals were in in the wizard's lair?

SPEAKER_02 54:44

Probably.

SPEAKER_00 54:45

But you know what? That's just that's just misogyny that she that she gets punished gravely and the wizard just gets to leave. So there we have it.

SPEAKER_01 54:55

Um the wizard.

SPEAKER_00 54:59

Yeah. Uh well, thank y'all for listening to another episode of the Honor Real Line.

SPEAKER_01 55:08

You like my vocals? You don't like my vocals, bitch?

SPEAKER_00 55:10

Well, they they weren't Cynthia Revo, darling. They weren't Cynthia Revo.

SPEAKER_01 55:14

That's hard to get. That's hard to get.

SPEAKER_00 55:15

That's my line.

SPEAKER_01 55:18

That's the reason I'm Manda Safer didn't get cast.

SPEAKER_00 55:21

Well, and she isn't she like 40? No, I'm not trying to be rude, but.

SPEAKER_01 55:25

I mean glit I mean Cynthia Revo's like 40, isn't she?

SPEAKER_00 55:29

Yeah, but I mean, first of all, black don't crack, and she's painted green, so who cares?

SPEAKER_01 55:34

I mean, Ariana added five years with the buccal fat removal, so. But she looks good.

SPEAKER_00 55:41

Yeah. What I feel I feel like I mean, I and you know, I'm not because I I I promise myself we wouldn't be talking about, you know, the things they're saying about Cynthia and Ariana, but all I'll say is that with what we've seen on the press tours, you can tell that this m these movies were filmed several years ago for both of them.

SPEAKER_01 56:03

Oh, yeah, they did film part one and part two concurrently. Yeah, so why was Bowen Yang doing most of the press, even though he's in the movie for like two minutes?

SPEAKER_00 56:10

I think it's just because he's really good friends with Ariana, to be honest.

SPEAKER_01 56:14

Oh. She really cycles them out, multi-racial friends for a few years. I haven't seen Victoria Monet and her in like one thing.

SPEAKER_00 56:22

When was the last time you saw Kiomi? Well, isn't the Kiomi the hairstylist?

SPEAKER_01 56:27

I think she's an employee.

SPEAKER_00 56:28

Oh. Can you imagine if Kiomi got a got got a little cameo in this movie? I would live. If she was doing Glinda's hair before the wedding. I would gasp if if if Glenda talked about Kiomi, get your ass over here.

SPEAKER_01 56:42

Kiomi, wait just a clock tick, Bella. For some reason, I just imagine Neeney Leek say clock tick. Now wait just a clock tick, motherfucker. I can see it, I can see it, I can see it. Like, imagine the odds at their own housewives. It's just Neene-Leaks talking about clock ticks.

SPEAKER_00 57:01

Honestly, I think, especially since Neenee's done Broadway before, I think they should let Neene return to Broadway as Madame Morable for a limited Brendan Wicket.

SPEAKER_01 57:11

Nah, that's a vocally demanding role.

SPEAKER_00 57:13

I mean, she sounded I mean Nene's.

SPEAKER_01 57:15

What about Whitney Levitt? What about Whitney Levitt?

SPEAKER_00 57:17

Oh, God. Well, I mean, Nene sounded pretty good in the clips I saw from her when she was on Cinderella on Broadway. She sounded pretty good. Let me know Nene got vocals. She got more vocals than Kim. Well.

SPEAKER_01 57:30

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SPEAKER_01 58:07

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