Inside Wendy Osefo's Wife Swap Episode

Yes we were mostly looking for evidence of insurance fraud but we enjoyed the ride.

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SPEAKER_02 0:13

Welcome back, note takers. It's Aiden with the Honor Real Note podcast with my lovely co-host, Noah Aaron. And we are back with another FUD edition. Getting into the newest housewives spinoff. Celebr no, what is it called? Wife Swap, the Real Housewives edition. I was intrigued by when it hit my, you know, hit the news, hit my Instagram feed. But no, what was your first reaction seeing that this was a show? And what were your first thoughts? Because what what actually came out was not what I thought was what it was going to be. I I thought it was gonna be the housewives swapping families with each other. Like it was gonna be Wendy and Gina, you know, swapping houses.

SPEAKER_00 0:51

That's exactly what I thought as well. Like I thought we were gonna get, yeah, like we were gonna get housewives from different franchises. Yeah, like like you said, like one from Potomac, swapping with one from OC, one from Beverly Hill, swapping with one from Atlanta. Like just something like that. So I was surprised to find because I don't think I even realized it until like I saw until I like dropped a preview and everything where I realized I'm like, oh, okay, it's just the housewives are swapping with the with the regular Degulars, okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:19

Which was also an interesting dynamic. I was like intrigued by it, but it's not what I you know, it's not what I expected, but it was still interesting. But what I did not expect was the cast, seemed very random.

SPEAKER_00 1:32

Right, a very random selection of Housewives over the last few episodes. And what I will say is I'm gonna be completely transparent with this for the listeners. I have only watched the Dr. Wendy episode. I did not watch the other one.

SPEAKER_02 1:44

Oh, yeah, no, this is a review of the Dr. Wendy episode, which aired on November 9th, 2025. All is ferret in Love and War with um Wendy Osepho and um Alethea Shapiro. I did watch a bit of Angie's episode with the Flake family, but I did not watch Melissa Gorga's episode or Emily Simpson's episode. In fact, I messaged you because you know I don't watch Emily's franchise. I don't watch the West Coast Housewives, but I actually is Emily popular enough to be on this? Like, I mean Angie K, I kind of it made sense. He's a family vibe. Yeah. But Melissa Gorga and you know Emily Simpson. I mean, even Wendy the Graham's scheme of things is a bit of a B housewife on Potomac up until this season. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:27

Yeah. I mean, it's it's hard because like with Emily, she has been on OC for a long time. She's been on OC for like a decade at this point, or like almost or close to it. Like, she's been on OC for a long time, and I would say she's kind of one of the leads of the franchise, like right now, in this kind of current era, but she is not well liked or popular. Like most of the the discourse I see on her is people dragging her.

SPEAKER_02 2:55

That makes sense. I mean, that's most of the discourse I see as well. And I know that she has you blocked on Instagram, so she is an enemy of the show. If you ask me.

SPEAKER_00 3:04

So, yeah, Emily Simpson, if you hear this, unblock me. Unblock me. This is your final warning.

SPEAKER_02 3:09

I don't I don't think she knows how. I don't think she knows how.

SPEAKER_00 3:14

Well, she's she's gonna think she's gonna have to figure out how she's gonna have to figure it out.

SPEAKER_02 3:18

Uh but um Bravo's always trying to fill up the programming with something to try to make sure we get at least the taste of housewives year-round, which I do commend the Bravo programming staff for because they have to be coming out their ass with some things. Because we have the Heather Mormon, not the Heather Mormon documentary. I mean, it is a Heather Mormon documentary, but I met the Heather Gay Mormon documentary. Remember, we had Karen Huger walk around her farm, we had Portugal Family Matters. They love a little three to four week little show to pat out some programming in between things. So And I'm not complaining because I will watch most of them.

SPEAKER_00 3:51

I will watch most of them. Right. Well, and we're definitely we're really in an era, like because I feel like for because I feel like when I think of like housewives spin-offs, like back like way back in the golden era of housewives, like a lot of the women got spin-offs, but I feel like there was a period of time for a long time where there were no spin-offs. I I feel like Abby Limo right now, no solar. No solas. No, you're right. I felt I felt like there was no spin-offs, and I feel like now we're in like a new resurgence era of like housewife spin-offs.

SPEAKER_02 4:20

You know, I feel like in the Peacock era, they either always want to keep something out or just keep it engaging. I think this works better because not everyone tends to stay in like eight to ten episodes of a show. So I think even making these little specials three episodes, you can kind of like introduce it, have a little climax, some conflict, and end it peacefully, like three or four episodes, it works. Because Karen's Karen's shit could not have gone on longer than it was, you know? Like it couldn't be Bethany Ever After. And Bethany Ever After was just like, come on, like how you know it was always so interesting.

SPEAKER_00 4:54

Yeah, and I I and I like that the strategy they're applying with some of these as well, is by like not centering around centering it around one housewife, they're doing like multiple. So like the s like the celebrity wife or the housewife wife swap uh episodes where we've got a few different women in Love Hotel. We had you know, we had a few different women. Um, so I I think that's a smarter idea than banking on just one housewife's like popularity, hopefully sustaining and and pulling up a show.

SPEAKER_02 5:25

For sure. And the wife swap brand within itself is pretty prolific. Like it's always been kind of a known show. It was with that, it was never something that I myself watched religiously, but you know, I knew of the concept. I had seen a few episodes of like celebrity wife swap and some clips from those.

SPEAKER_00 5:41

So I'll see. And in my household growing up, we watched Wife Swap, we watched Celebrity Wife Swap, we watched Trading Spouses. Oh, y'all were all up into it. Y'all was all up into it. We watched um, I can't remember what the was it trading spaces?

SPEAKER_02 5:57

I I uh we we we watch trading spaces. We watch trading spaces.

SPEAKER_00 6:01

That's in because that's the one where the moms would like make over each other's houses or whatever, right? I think so.

SPEAKER_02 6:06

I'm calcul I clicked into the celebrity wife swap Wikipedia to glance at some of the contestants. I'm calculating Kate Gosselin and K and Kendra Wilkinson.

SPEAKER_00 6:15

I want to watch that episode. That sounds like an interesting swap, especially since Kate Gosselin's such a bitch. That's the LCS swap.

SPEAKER_02 6:24

I bet it was a gag, though. I bet it was a gag. Layla Ali and Angie Stowe.

SPEAKER_00 6:32

Oh.

SPEAKER_02 6:35

They had some combos up here.

SPEAKER_00 6:38

Well, so for this episode of uh The Housewives Wisewap, I find it funny that the kind of description of it, which is uh Dr. Wendy Osepho, whose busy Maryland household prioritizes strict rules, a tight schedule, an education at the forefront, swaps lives with free-spirited Floridian Alicia Shapiro, who prioritizes fun, independence, and absolutely no rules. I was like, oh, that's dramatic. But accurate. It's accurate for what we saw.

SPEAKER_02 7:10

I mean, yeah, it was very accurate, I think. And it was clear what they were going for with the juxtaposition, which I'm assuming they did throughout the episode. With NGK's, it was more of like a high-low kind of vibe. Just like they lived a bit more of a farm life. They had an outdoor, outhouse, bathhouse. So kind of similar fish out of water, but it was less the there was less of that on the structure side. It was less about the parenting and more about like the vibe and the ambiance. And we'll see, and that's but it's clear they're trying to, you know, force juxtaposition.

SPEAKER_00 7:42

Right. Well, and that's kind of what I worried about though, with um with this format of the of the real housewife and then like the regular everyday person. Which I mean, don't get me wrong, these it at least from this episode, I mean, some these regular everyday people, like they're not, they're not broke, you know. Like the Shapiro's, like, clearly, you know, they they do well as well as well. Like, they have a nice house and everything. But kind of one of my concerns, I was like, ooh, is this gonna like are the women gonna go on here and look real classist? Like if if if they're like being all shady about their new home and their surroundings, they're gonna be like, oh, uh, oh we slumming it over here.

SPEAKER_02 8:19

Well, maybe they they they chose more serious ones for a reason. At least that's what I think so. Because they knew Wendy would probably know how to act. And Angie K, say what you want about her, but she comes across like a nicer, like you know, pure-hearted more person. I don't know about I know Emily's a lawyer, at least, so there's that. And Melissa Gorgos' whole thing is family, family. I'm a mom, I'm a wife, because what if she accomplished otherwise?

SPEAKER_00 8:44

Well, yeah, and I mean Emily definitely Emily definitely on her franchise, is is you know, even though her and I have beef, I will admit, that she definitely comes off as one of the more down-to-earth people on her on OC. Because I mean, and she because she's just like the one that's like she's the one that's like on there, just like, oh, I oh I'm big and I don't give a fuck. And she she I remember she she was she they were doing the damn sauna and she pulled a fucking a hoagie out of her purse, uh and she she's kind of just always joking around, yeah. She's always joking around being very self-deprecating and everything, so I I could see that.

SPEAKER_02 9:24

Okay. Yeah, makes sense. It seems like they were going for a certain vibe because you know Giselle would not be serious. Could you imagine her stop in this house with the fairy? Second of all, there's nothing to swap with Giselle because she lives by herself.

SPEAKER_00 9:38

Oh, ooh, way out by herself. Well, maybe, maybe, maybe maybe Robin could be the husband for the new wife. Oh my god. Uh um, but or the hairdresser. Um but I think. Oh, Kyle would be there. Kyle would be there. I feel like if that's with Giselle, though, like after the rule change and everything like that, like those kids would have come home from school and be like, where are the ferrets? And she would be like, oh, I took him to the pound.

SPEAKER_02 10:09

I think that oldest daughter would have been fine with it. I don't know. Well, let's let's get into this, let's get into the swap of it all.

SPEAKER_00 10:18

Yes, yes. Well, so I mean y'all y'all know Wendy, right? I mean we don't really have to talk about y'all know Dr. Wayne.

SPEAKER_02 10:26

And but they get into more about Wendy's parenting style, how she's very strict, and the house is ruled with an iron fist under Wendy's care. Wendy got up at 5 a.m. She takes everybody to do the activities, she makes the lunches, the breakfast.

SPEAKER_00 10:41

Well, I'm not gonna lie, I feel like I feel like they've never really shown I mean I feel like on like Potomac, like they've made it clear that Wendy's very serious about like academics and everything for her kids. But I feel like they've never really shown all of this on Potomac, like the getting up at five in the morning and you know, having this like super tight schedule for her kids and like everything is planned down to the dot, down to the minute, especially because no offense to Wendy, but on Potomac sometimes she seems a little messier than that. Like she just like she she she's someone who has it together for the most part, but like not that together. So it makes me wonder. Um I thought she was serious about education. I don't know about all this, and I knew they didn't, but one thing, it makes me wonder if kind of like this whole like super intense, like military grade structure thing they did on the show, if that was just for the show.

SPEAKER_02 11:37

Um, I wonder. I mean, Wendy's gonna be like the type we know she likes to put on, so I would not be surprised. But I imagine it's somewhat similar or real because those kids were they were living it up well. Aletha, you know, freed up some structure. But also, you could tell by how Eddie like he looks so wound up the whole time when Aletha was there fucking fucking around. So I really do think Wendy runs a strict ship. I think. Oh no, but we see how Wendy is with her outfits, very meticulous, very planned. The fraud wasn't very meticulous, but everything else otherwise.

SPEAKER_00 12:10

So the one the one thing you should have planned out well, you didn't. Right. Um, we get it.

SPEAKER_02 12:18

So we see Wendy going over her little vibe, what she's expecting. And then we meet Alita, who kind of her whole thing is that I'm I used to be a high strung New York parent, but I needed to slow down. So I moved to Florida and opened up a farm essentially. So she has I wrote it all down. I need to check my notes.

SPEAKER_01 12:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:38

About all her pets. I wrote it, I wanted to make sure I was getting it correct. Five cats, a dog, two ferrets, a chinchilla, and some ducks.

SPEAKER_00 12:46

Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_02 12:48

What got to me is that from my understanding, chinchillas are like social creatures. So should shouldn't she have another chinchilla too?

SPEAKER_00 12:56

Well, maybe they maybe maybe they chill with the ferrets. I don't know. Maybe they're cool like that.

SPEAKER_02 13:00

That's true. Maybe maybe they got they got similar vibes running around. But this one crazy bitch I knew from college, she had two chinchillas in her dorm room. No. Is that allowed? No, girl. But she did like in the way off dorms that were kind of hidden, so that they were a little more low-key. Bro, she was not handled by herself. Once this imagine they did like rounds. I don't know what she did, or she hit them in her car or something, but she did something. But it just makes me think that the messiest bitches in the world like to own chinchillas. So that was my first other reaction to those movies.

SPEAKER_00 13:36

I just feel like like chinchillas and ferrets, and well, because you you know I'm an animal lover. Like I love I love animals and everything. But you are you are Aletha. I mean, not exactly though, because I well, first of all, I have one cat in my house. And well, you don't have a house the size of Aletha. Well I I will one day, I will one day speak that into existence.

SPEAKER_02 14:02

And you will have a bed that works in the laundry room and does all the work.

SPEAKER_00 14:05

Oh, well they hopefully I we I I can dream. I can dream. Um, but the the thing with things like fair attention shells and stuff, those are very uh fragrant pets. They they they let off an odor. So I don't know about all that. I don't know about all that. Well, because I mean like a cat, they you know, they keep themselves clean. A dog you can give them a bath once a week or whatever. But like I don't know. Though those types of pets, they just smell, they just smell.

SPEAKER_02 14:37

I believe that. I know rabbits smell like shit.

SPEAKER_00 14:40

Yeah, well, I remember when I temporarily kept my sister's rats here in my home. Um, like there was just nothing you could do about it. Like it just smelled like a damn rat. So I imagine a ferret just smells like a damn ferret. But anyway, continue on. Her circus, her circus, her circus.

SPEAKER_02 15:00

I mean, no, I've recapped the circus already, and if she had the four kids, it seemed like a more like those farmy Florida homes and like you know, a little bit north of Florida where people have horses and shit. A bit more space, but we can definitely tell free spirit, free spirit. But what said me the most was that Alita just be chillin', like opposite of Wendy. She said she wakes up like 10, 11. Her husband works from home in the laundry room, wakes the kids up, drops them off. Everyone makes their own lunches, and I was like, okay, so so what do you do? And she does I guess she just took care of the pets. But her whole thing was that she really just was over the scheduled regimental life and did this whole switch up, and now we're here. But she must put a doubt on that man because he loved being in that little laundry room and you know, doing all the work. So I don't really didn't love it.

SPEAKER_00 15:49

Oh, I think she had him in his little sweatshop and he didn't question it.

SPEAKER_02 15:52

Right? No, he was he fell in line. So I was like, she must put a doubt on him. I'm surprised when he didn't make a remark about that, because that's all I was thinking about. But um I want to highlight that. If I were Wendy's, that's what I say quickly. One of his screens was very clearly Discord. I know what Discord looked like. I know I thought it should have been Slack or something. But if if he's a trader relative on Discord, I I don't know, maybe he's making some lit returns, but that would terrify me. Like, where's Slack? Where's Teams? Where's Outlook?

SPEAKER_00 16:27

Right. Oh, I'm glad you noticed that because I didn't notice that.

SPEAKER_02 16:32

Well, it was kind of like blurred, but like I know Discord when I see Discord.

SPEAKER_00 16:36

Right. What's it's like it's like when you it's like when you see the grinder logo and you're like, oh, okay. I see what you're doing.

SPEAKER_02 16:43

You saw that on a Michael episode of Potomic.

SPEAKER_00 16:47

I saw it on Tamara Judge's husband's phone. Um no, I'm just kidding. I did not see that. Please don't.

SPEAKER_02 16:56

I'm gasping like I could even pick that man out of a lineup.

SPEAKER_00 16:59

Please don't pursue litigation, Eddie Judge. Please don't pursue litigation. I can I can't afford it. Um Eddie Judge. Oh, now you look at it. Now you looking at this allegedly gay.

SPEAKER_02 17:13

He looks like one of them older gay like fitness instructors. He looks like he does a Barry's boot camp and then gets, you know, goes out to the eagle.

SPEAKER_00 17:20

He is a trainer. He is a prisoner. And I mean, there's been rumors about him on Orange County for over a decade now about him being a homosexual. But I will say in his defense.

SPEAKER_02 17:34

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 17:36

In his defense, in his defense, during during Tamra's wedding special, um, they brought in a stripper to give him a laugh dance, and she came in there and started cussing him out because he had a boner. So he likes something.

SPEAKER_03 17:48

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 17:51

Okay. Um but yeah, so I mean, I I'm really cute. There's a lot that I want to know about Alita. Um, I think she'll tell it to you.

SPEAKER_02 18:03

She's been up and down Reddit, and she did a whole little multi-paragraph post on her Instagram following the show. No, she she was talking about. I think she's upset with the portrayal, which I would be too. They were said to be fake. Look at this lazy ass.

SPEAKER_00 18:18

I know. Well, and that's the thing. It's like I kind of like I wanted to feel sorry for her throughout this because like, like, oh my god, like Wendy's mom, like dragging the living hell.

SPEAKER_02 18:27

Oh, you know, this Susan was Miss Susan was so rude for that.

SPEAKER_00 18:30

That thing, yeah. When Wendy, I Wendy was like Wendy was firm when they had their little discussion after the swap. Um, and kind of like said and kind of said some things. I was like, oh, okay, like you're just going for it. She's like, oh, there's no order here.

SPEAKER_02 18:46

I think Wendy had to take a step back and be like, this girl is new to TV. She's kind of helped this go to. I think she realized that towards the end. She was like, okay, this girl's a little.

SPEAKER_00 18:57

Well, I wanted to feel bad for Aletha, but at the same time, like it was a little hard too, because I'm like, girl, like you, you got you got your husband that is a damn servant. Um your kids are like, your kids are kind of giving, like, oh, we're neglected. Um, it's it's it's like it's a little bit hard. It's a little bit hard. I I do wonder.

SPEAKER_02 19:18

I just felt I felt like Bravo was setting her up. I mean, yes, it's probably a reflection of the life of her life and everything, but I'm like, this is this is not what they pitched to her, I'm sure. We're making the laziest mom in America. But just to give some more specifics into it, they talk about how like the kids got their own lunch, which I kind of did growing up. I think that one was more fine, but then it was her not attending their sporting events, which you know the kids seem really upset about. Those younger boys seemed very like they took it a little bit personal that she wasn't like wasn't really engaged with their activities. No, she she didn't have no interest in like their school stuff at all. And then the worst was the very standard parentification of the oldest daughter, which she comes home from college and immediately is like picking up as the parent, just like taking care of the younger ones, and you could like you could tell Wendy picked up on it, was like, oh, this is bad.

SPEAKER_00 20:10

Yeah, when there's um what I found to be kind of like, they had no choice but to work hard. I was like, damn. Well, I think what I found interesting is especially because like in reality TV, we see a lot of uh parentification examples, like we see it a lot in reality TV. Um, but what I found interesting is the added twist of the fact that this isn't how she's always been, apparently. Like from what she said and whatever what her kids everything said, like she was like a completely different mother to her older kids when they were younger. Um, so that's interesting to me to think that the parentification and that kind of vibe wasn't there early on, and it's more of a recent development because I feel like that would almost be more of a mind fuck because I feel like if that's yeah, because I feel like if that's been the vibe your whole life, because that's the thing, so a lot of parentified children don't even really fully see the issue with what's going on in their household and like kind of like how they're being treated because it's so normal. So I feel like for a for this girl, it's probably a lot more of a mind fuck to kind of be forced into that role after not growing up with that being normalized.

SPEAKER_02 21:26

But also just kind of wanted to see it for her younger siblings, which I'm glad she's translating it to that because I feel like a lot of older siblings can see their parents be different towards a younger sibling as they just get older and kind of resent them for it or try to enforce what they got rather than doing what she did here, which at 19 is very very adult. So shout out to her. Good head of our show.

SPEAKER_00 21:49

Right. Well, it's nice that she rather than being like, Oh my god, like Mama's so much more loose with you guys, she was way more strict with me. It's more of like, oh well, mom was more strict. Structure with me, I like want you guys to kind of get a little bit of that. A little bit more hands-on parenting.

SPEAKER_02 22:06

Exactly. Her whole ideology. Yeah. Which apparently is evidence-based approach. That you know, it's about agency autonomy of kids, seeing them as collaborators of life rather than subjects in a top-down dynamic. So okay, it's it's giving startup open office plan. Okay, low-demand parenting. See, I can do the low-demand parenting, but we we better have high demand grades.

SPEAKER_00 22:35

Oh lord. Well, that's uh that's what honestly. When I when I saw um when I saw like the kids being up at all hours of the night playing basketball in the living room and shit. Well, because first of all, when I saw the kids up at all hours of the night, I was like, oh I was like, Aiden would be fine with that as long as they grade her. I know that. I would, because if you're tired for school, that's on you. That's it. Aiden says C students get bedtime. Um but um I do I I did know damn well though you would not be okay with playing basketball in the living room at 1 a.m. if you're trying to sleep. If you want to be angel reese, you can you can be angel reese outside.

SPEAKER_02 23:14

You can be angel reese out of the bottom.

SPEAKER_00 23:15

One thing, if you want to be up at if you want to be up at two in the morning, you need to be on Discord bullying like cyberbullying somebody like quietly. Like don't don't don't be playing basketball in my house.

SPEAKER_02 23:26

Right, go be angel reese at the fucking 24 hour fitness, because I'm not dealing with this.

SPEAKER_00 23:32

I'm not doing this. I know what I um I I found definitely um Alitha, her parenting definitely gave very, very new age, modern, experimental, whatever. Yeah. Um well obviously Wendy's is very Wendy's a lot more old school, very much, but like, which I'm not gonna lie, um I kind of do fall more in line with Wendy's style of parenting, where I'm like, oh honey, we're gonna have a schedule. There's gonna be some structure.

SPEAKER_02 24:06

You're a little more regimented.

SPEAKER_00 24:09

Yeah. Well, because like I just I can't do all the chaos and whatnot. I cannot do all the chaos. But also, I don't have I don't have kids, and maybe that's for the best because I can't do the chaos.

SPEAKER_02 24:20

Right? I mean schedule with the kids. I try that. I once have to take my twin niece and nephew just to get ready for school and do all that. Maybe kids don't understand it's time to get ready. We gotta go somewhere. They they they be thinking it's time to turn up. They wake up ready to turn up. That's because there's two of them.

SPEAKER_01 24:40

Yeah. Well, that was crazy.

SPEAKER_02 24:42

Yeah, I realized that then that like kids and a schedule. It's oh well they change everything. I think I'd be somewhere in between Aletha, Wendy. Like, I don't know about no low-demand parenting, but I'm definitely walking to Texas Roadhouse like Alita.

SPEAKER_00 24:58

Well, see, and that's my thing. Like Alita, like that's I don't know. I've never found it like cute when people are like, oh, I'm so quirky, I don't know how to cook. Like, you know, I'm so quirky, I don't know how to like use the dishwasher or do laundry. Like, I don't know. If you're a grown adult, like you need to know how to cook, do your laundry, do your dishes. Like, you need to know these things. Like, I don't think it's cute uh when when you're doing that Carrie Bradshaw shit where you're like, oh, I I I use my oven for storage.

SPEAKER_02 25:27

Well, are they my kids? So and honestly, I don't know if I trust that kitchen. I know them ferrets to be running all around, so this is better for the public health.

SPEAKER_00 25:36

This is better for public health doing all kinds of bullshit. That's true, that's true. Because those ferrets, those ferrets definitely, because I mean they do whatever the hell they want, they squeeze a bunch of doors and shit. They definitely get up on the counter. They're fat.

SPEAKER_02 25:46

Aren't they fast as hell?

SPEAKER_00 25:48

They are. They're little zoomers, they zip and zoom and all that shit. I know. Um but one thing that I um noticed with this versus like traditional wife swap is there was definitely a lot less drama and conflict on this compared to like traditional like wife swap of back in the day. Because wife swap back in the day, like it was a lot of like very like in more intense differences, like, oh, this family's very religious. This one, these fam, this family is atheists, and this uh family's like fundamentalist, or like this family is this or that. You know what I'm like it was a lot more, it was like the differences were a lot more grading, and there was a lot more of like fuck your rules. Yeah, one thing, yeah, cuz because like on this show, at least well, and I don't know about the other episodes, but at least the Dr. Wendy episode, like everyone like followed the rules, like Wendy played by the Wendy played by the rules, Aletha tried to play by the rules, um, gotta be more wholesome coded.

SPEAKER_02 27:03

Because Andy K's episode was kind of the same, like everyone learns in the end. You see the housewives in a better light. Maybe that's when they pushed back the Wendy episode. They didn't want to make it seem like they were just trying to fix Wendy's image so close to the fraud scan, though. Because Wendy did come out very well, but she's also just coming across well this season in general.

SPEAKER_00 27:21

Yeah, no, she's that Wendy's definitely unfortunately she picked the worst time to finally figure out TV. Uh yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:33

But Wendy like good, she she took them kids to the activities, was watching their games, got involved with that oldest daughter, told Alita how it is at the end, they'll sit down one-on-one. I would say Alita had me Kathleen, like she was like, you know what? Let me find a cute activity to do out here. And took them to that alpha took them to that alpaca farm where the alpaca was named Devante. And Eddie and I had the same reaction, like, oh, the alpaca's named Devante. I laughed with that thing.

SPEAKER_00 28:02

I it was literally, it was literally given our little inside joke. Oh, oh, they make black ones. No, that was that was funny. Um, Eddie in general was really funny in this because, like you said, he seemed like a little stressed. He was like a little bit like, oh my god, like he was running around like a little frantic with Aletha's uh shenanigans, he was panicking. He looks like when they got the paint on Wendy's carpet.

SPEAKER_02 28:30

I was like when Wendy came back and Cameron immediately is like, look at the carpet, BMS. That's the six-year-old's first reaction.

SPEAKER_00 28:38

They go, they gonna tell. They're gonna tell. That's it. Her first reaction was like, Oh, let me tell mom what's what's been going on in her house. They've been turning up.

unknown 28:46

Right.

SPEAKER_00 28:46

Well, especially because she wasn't the one that spilled the paint. So I would have told too if I were her.

SPEAKER_02 28:50

Right, right. No, I'm with it. Cruz was catching on the blinds. Like, you know what? Y'all can have a little more fun, but that basketball hoop is gonna be gone by the end of the week.

SPEAKER_00 29:00

Well, uh, you know, and the thing is though, she did compromise because originally she said it's immediately going down, and then after her and Aletha talked, she was like, you know what, it'll it'll last until the weekend. So there was growth.

SPEAKER_02 29:11

There was growth, there was a growth mindset. There was growth, there was growth, and maybe they'll do some more activities in some nature. I look, I don't see them going back to the alpaca farm, but I can see Eddie organizing a little hike. Well, you know, if he's not in prison.

SPEAKER_00 29:24

Right. What it um and you know, I could I could see, I mean, back today, you know, when when Wendy used to film with Robin, you know, they they can they can like sit on a bench and talk shit while their kids are playing football in the background. Um I I did based off the previews, I expected Wendy to be way more angry about the stain on the carpet. Like she she was kind of mentioning it, she's like, You you thank you for ruining my carpet. But she seemed pretty like overall chill about like she like she wasn't pissed off. Or at least she wasn't if she was pissed off, she wasn't showing it on the camera.

SPEAKER_02 30:00

Maybe she knew Bravo got it, so she was like, Well, that's one less thing I gotta scam for. Because Bravo's definitely paid for that.

SPEAKER_01 30:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:11

Um Three Spirit bit do it painted in my white room.

SPEAKER_01 30:16

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:18

I know you would be pissed. You would be pissed. I would be like, excuse me. But if you if you had a white room to begin with, you'd be like, this is awful the bits. Well, especially.

SPEAKER_00 30:28

Well, especially if I'm like, we have a big like front yard, we got a big backyard. Y'all could have taken this outside y'all could have taken this shit outside.

SPEAKER_02 30:35

Like they really could have. They must have filmed the right thing.

SPEAKER_00 30:37

There was there was no reason to do this fucking activity uh in the living room. But um, I will say, Aletha, she did where I was impressed with her, she did handle herself well while dealing with Mama Susan because Mama Susan was going in on her, she was being mean. Mama Susan was rude. She was being a little bit more. It's not even worth doing this.

SPEAKER_02 30:54

Just people to call her lazy and all this. Like, what do you do? Wow.

SPEAKER_01 30:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:59

I would say the Ozemping is doing Mama Susan well, but the bleaching is not.

SPEAKER_00 31:03

That's what I said. I literally, I was uh I was watching this with my mom. I was like, oh my god, she looks a lot smaller. She was like, You think so? And then like they showed the flashback of Mama Susan um doing her doing her preaching in that yellow outfit. Mom was like, my mom was immediately like, oh, she is small. She got the comparison shot.

SPEAKER_02 31:20

You know, we we've been seeing Miss Mr Zuzu over the years.

SPEAKER_00 31:24

Yeah. Um, but yeah, no, she was uh she yeah, it was just like she just wanted to go after everything. But I mean, I guess though, the way she talks to Wendy sometimes, it's kind of like, well, I mean, if she's gonna talk to her own daughter like that, I guess she would talk to this lady. Like that random lady.

SPEAKER_02 31:40

I I don't know. I'm also sure she was worried like who's around my kids, what is the show?

SPEAKER_01 31:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:45

Alita was fine overall. Like she, you know, brought brought some fun to the kids' lives, but I'm sure they did not really take her serious, you know.

SPEAKER_00 31:54

Well, so overall, Aiden, because I know, like personally, I did enjoy the episode. Um, and I I know this is your first like full episode watching, like you said, you watched a little bit of the Angie episode, but like overall, like what are your did like did you have a good time? Did you like it? Do you see them doing more of these in the future?

SPEAKER_02 32:14

No, this was cute. I like how it was like family friendly and a little bit just lighter. And it's a good way to see some that housewives like another dimension, like another you know, side of them. Like, I might even go back and watch Melissa Gorgos episode. Just you know, like I if I have some free time, I might. No, but I think it's cute. I would love to see it again, especially for like new housewives. I think this would be a good way to kind of like give them more screen time and like you know, just get them to the audience a little bit more. Like, I mean Bron win and her bored ass husband. I don't know if if they go do it, but like I wouldn't mind seeing like a her, I wouldn't mind seeing Angel or Tia, the new girls on Potomac, doing this. Right. Stephanie Shoje from Miami. I wouldn't mind seeing her, but she don't really got kids. I guess it's more like people with the family, it's our family focused.

SPEAKER_00 33:03

Yeah, she's no one's mama.

SPEAKER_02 33:05

Right. Which is why I think Tia and Angel would both be great. Me, you know, I I like this. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:11

No, I agree. I understand.

SPEAKER_02 33:13

But I would like to see the original what I thought it was originally were Housewives Swap. I would like to see that too, though. I want to see, I want to see Mary Cosby take Dina Dillon to school.

SPEAKER_00 33:25

Oh god. Um not not the m not the masking for McDonald's and her being and her like, oh.

SPEAKER_03 33:31

Um we don't gonna fish fillet.

SPEAKER_00 33:34

Um but uh but no, I agree with you. I enjoyed it. I liked getting to see this other side to these women, and I I definitely, if they do bring it back, I would like to see that with like regular housewives, like not just regular housewives, but like housewives swapping with each other. Um I also I really one thing I noticed because I saw some people on Reddit talking about this, how watching this show reminded them of how much they miss seeing more of the family footage, like solo, like at-home family footage on regular Housewives shows. And I didn't really think about it until I mentioned it. I was like, actually, that's true, because like on newer seasons of Housewives, they definitely show the women less at home than they used to.

SPEAKER_02 34:18

Um it's like maybe a quick aside, or it's like your little you don't have to have like little one-minute scenes, it's one of those.

SPEAKER_00 34:25

Yeah, because like they uh definitely the husbands are on the shows less, the kids are on the shows less. Although I feel like part of that is because it got to a point where across a lot of the cities, like it was more common that like the husbands were getting attacked, the kids were getting put in shitty situations, like Garcelle's kids and everything. So maybe that's why they're showing less of it. Or maybe I don't know, maybe it probably just feels like it's boring. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 34:50

It's like the vibe of like the season, maybe, or like the age of people's kids on average.

SPEAKER_00 34:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:56

Everyone has like different age kids, it's kind of like you know, different vibes, you're in a different mindset. Like it's a little bit of it all. Also, Jersey was so big about it because you know it was it was family drama, people were you know related.

SPEAKER_00 35:07

So yeah, one like the. Yeah. No, I I agree. And um, when I I I'm curious to see if it does continue because I was looking at I they don't I don't think they've publicized the ratings yet for the what this episode we're talking about, but it seems like the ratings were pretty consistently like just under 300,000 viewers on the first three episodes. Um so I mean they weren't wrong, they weren't like the most impressive ratings, however, I will say they were consistent across the episodes. There wasn't like some like huge mega drop after the premiere or anything like that. Uh that makes sense.

SPEAKER_02 35:55

Especially because they mostly like pream like came after the show, one of them was on. I know Andy's came on after Saul Lego Wendy's came on after a new Potomac. So they at least had that kind of residual vibe.

SPEAKER_01 36:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:08

Um, and I could also, like, like I said, they don't have the ratings out yet, at least as far as I could find for the Wendy's episode. Because I mean they're probably gonna factor in like next day streaming and stuff like that. But um, I would not be surprised if there's a spike in viewership for this episode just because of all the buzz surrounding Wendy right now and people being messy and nosy and wanting to watch and see what they see. Cause I I saw people talking about.

SPEAKER_02 36:31

What you got on? What you wearing?

SPEAKER_00 36:33

Well, I think oh yeah, no, right before the episode premiered, I saw people on all the Housewives socials talking about, oh, we're looking for evidence today. We're being detected. We're we're we're that they weren't we're Nancy Drew today.

SPEAKER_02 36:44

I love messy bitches.

SPEAKER_00 36:47

Yeah, it's always it's always it's always fun to like to be on the lookout for some shenanigans in the background. Um but oh over what one thing I did want to ask before we kind of sign off for the day, Mr. Aiden, is I wanted to ask whose house would you rather spend a weekend at? The Ocephos or the Shapiro's?

SPEAKER_02 37:12

Um is Mama Susan gonna be there?

SPEAKER_00 37:16

No mama Susan, no mama Susan, just the regular.

SPEAKER_02 37:20

I'm gonna hang with the Ocephos, but I don't know. I might want to have dinner with the leaf though. But I don't know. Oprah soup sound good as hell, so I think I want some of that. As much as I like me, some takeout, I like some Nigerian food.

SPEAKER_01 37:34

Right.

SPEAKER_02 37:35

And no ferrets to deal with. So But I feel I feel like them boys might try to play football. They might try to tackle me. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 37:45

Yeah. Why?

SPEAKER_02 37:47

Aletha's boy seemed turned too. All the all the boys in them houses would turn this out. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 37:51

Right. I know. I wish I wish I I I wish the kids had gotten to meet up with each other, because I think they would have turned out had a good old time. Oh right.

SPEAKER_02 37:58

Oh yeah, they they would have been they would have been playing a bunch of football and shit. But I do want to throw in Aletha made an Instagram post yesterday. That seems like she's not very very pleased with the show, or like she has some reservations. I do want to highlight this. It's kind of long, so let's get to the gist of it. The first part is the editor erased a core part of who I am, my identity as a late diagnosed autistic ADHD woman. Oh the eraser wasn't as personal, it was harmful to me and my nor divergent community.

unknown 38:28

Oh.

SPEAKER_02 38:28

What else did she say? The selective editing felt manipulative, taking my words and my children's words out of context. You create a version of our family that isn't real. It was painful to watch moments of love and humor twist into something that looked unloving or detached. What some people saw as kooky or carefree was actually confidence and authenticity. The result of years of self-work, healing, and unmasking. Our kids almost always have two parents cheering them on an every game, performance, and milestone. Okay. I mean, Alita seems to have really wants to get her narrative out there. I've seen a few of her posts in the different Housewives subreddits promoting the episode and answering some questions. But I don't know if she loves to add an overall reception, but she seems to be someone that just rolls with the punches and is overall maybe just play a little bit. Like literally 38 minutes ago. She wanted to somebody like what's that supposed to be?

SPEAKER_03 39:22

So I read it. So how well she's taking it.

SPEAKER_00 39:26

She's got a little bit of that dog in her. She might she might snap. Um but yeah, I don't know. Definitely her response is giving very much like first time on reality TV. Because I feel like that's because I mean I feel like if you're these housewives, like you've been on reality TV, you know how the editing works, and even if you don't like the editing, like you're kind of like, Well, what the fuck am I gonna do about it? Um versus I feel like a one-time show, you probably try to do it for fun.

SPEAKER_02 40:03

I've actually I I see why she feels a little disappointed, right?

SPEAKER_00 40:06

Yeah, I feel like definitely it's probably incredibly jarring, especially because I feel like maybe like if you're a reality TV super fan, like we are, like you do kind of go, like you kind of would go into a such way in like this kind of like knowing some manipulation tactics and the editing tricks and stuff like that. But I feel like if you're not someone who really knows a lot kind of the creation and production of reality TV and you go into it as a first timer everything, I'm sure it probably is very jarring than to kind of like live it, live the filming experience, and then see how it all comes together on on TV, especially if you're not portraying the stuff.

SPEAKER_02 40:45

You're probably like, oh, it's a little family-friendly version, it's it'll be okay.

SPEAKER_00 40:49

Yeah, so I I I I can under I I understand her her frustrations and everything. I don't I don't blame her at all for that.

SPEAKER_02 40:57

Um was kind of shady. They said I think this was a blessing in disguise. With Wendy's crime on the front page news, it kind of distracts everyone from focusing on you. Like, excuse me? Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_00 41:12

I would respond what that's supposed to mean too. So I'm with Alita. Definitely that's that's basically saying, like, you're lucky Wendy did fraud, otherwise, we were gonna get into your ass. We're gonna dig into your ass.

SPEAKER_02 41:23

Right.

SPEAKER_00 41:25

Like, what the fuck did I do besides besides sit on the couch and and and eat some tank? Um but yeah, overall I liked it. I think I think I probably will go back and watch the other episodes that I didn't watch just out of curiosity because I want to see like what kind of goes down on those ones. And I I have my I have my new I have one of them new uh walking pads, like the little mini treadmills. I'm I'm gonna have that in front of my television. Watching my housewife wife swap.

SPEAKER_02 41:55

Watching Melissa Gorga and Joe Gorga run around.

SPEAKER_00 41:58

Not saying we'll do a my little we'll do them my little walk.

SPEAKER_02 42:02

Um but overall Housewives Wife Swap is a plus. I would say throw it on, watch it. Especially if you're nosy about Wendy's arrest and want to watch her episode.

SPEAKER_00 42:12

Yeah. Yeah. No, just you can look you can look around and see what she got in her house. Um but as always, we encourage you to also look around into our business because we want to we want to see you, we want to see you on our TikTok, on our socials. You know, you can follow us at Honor Real Note Pod on TikTok. We're on X, Blue Sky, YouTube, uh, we're we're up on Instagram. You can find us anywhere. Um, and as always, thank you so much for listening to another episode of the On a Real Note Podcast. Please consider giving us a five-star rating if you have not. Um you know, I'm trying to earn it. I'm not trying to fraudulently get it like Dr. Wendy. Um my God.

SPEAKER_02 42:55

At least she got them degrees. That's true.

SPEAKER_00 42:58

She she earned those. She earned those. You can't fake you can't fake that. You can't fake four degrees. Um or maybe you can, I don't know. I'm not, you you, you know, you know I don't really know that much about academia like this. Um But thank y'all. Have a wonderful rest of your day, and please come back next week. Thank you. Period.