On a Real Note
On a Real Note
The Real Fraudsters Of Potomac: Wendy Osefo's Story
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Noah and Aidan just cannot stop talking about Potomac...and for good reason!
The hosts break down the shocking charges, allegations and rumors currently facing Wendy & Eddie Osefo, known for their ongoing five year stint on Bravo's The Real Housewives Of Potomac. Hear our thoughts, opinions and some details on this ongoing, insane story.
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Welcome back, no takers. This is Aiden with the Honorio No podcast.
SPEAKER_00And this is Noah Aaron.
SPEAKER_01And um, we are not under investigation for insurance fraud, but you do know who is? Wendy Ocefa of the Real Housewives of Potomac. And pretty much that's what this episode is going to be about because it kind of struck the news lines on a Friday morning by surprise. And honestly, my world has not been the same since. Every day I'm looking for updates on the case. Has they put out a statement? Like what's going on here. So we decided that we're gonna spend this week, this episode, breaking it down, getting into it all, breaking our thoughts. If you follow us on TikTok, you know I shared some thoughts there, but I am fully ready to pack down the Wendy and Eddie Elsefa fraud of it all. Because I don't know about you, Noah, but they were the last Bravo liberties. I expected to have dual mugshots. So when I opened up Reddit that day to see the Wendy and Elsefo, the Wendy and Eddie mugshots.
SPEAKER_00Right.
SPEAKER_01I was gagged. Like I had went to message you. And it was so fresh that I thought it was like fake news because when I had Googled it, the only thing that had come up was the TMZ article, which was like 14 minutes ago. So it was like hot up the presses. The other publication hadn't gotten to it yet. So I was like, oh my lord.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, no, because I was, I mean, I I already told you, like, literally, cuz this happened, well, I mean, this happened, this happened at a reasonable hour in your time zone, but not a very reasonable hour in my time.
SPEAKER_01It was like 10 a.m., I want to say.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so I was like, because I I get I get up around 7 a.m. I get up around 7 a.m. a little bit, maybe a little bit before sometimes. But um, so like literally, like, I woke up and it's pretty normal for me. Like, when I wake up, I kind of like I'll lay in bed, I'll I'll try not to disturb my cat for a little bit. So I'll I'll lay in bed for a few minutes um while she's still sleeping on me. Um I'll I'll like look at my phone. I might check Reddit or Instagram or whatever. And I can't remember where which was I can't remember if I opened Reddit or Instagram first, but I opened one of them and I immediately, like, this is the first thing I'm seeing, like moments of being awake. Um, I see this freaking dual mug shot with the Ocefos. I was like, what the hell is this? Because well, yeah, because like I didn't expect this, like for me, it's like I in my in my mind, I'm like, if we're gonna get like I definitely didn't expect a Wendy mug shot, like ever. Like, I I never expected Wendy, but like I also like I would have thought it would be like Whitney and her husband on Salt Lake City getting fraud charges before the Ocefa.
SPEAKER_01Right? I mean, I don't even know who I think is most likely to do fraud on Potomac.
SPEAKER_02I feel like they all live a little regular to be a forchises, like definitely.
SPEAKER_01Honestly, if you think about it, I guess Wendy was the one who looked like she was living the largest, because we know Giselle has a man to take care of her kids and like she's been working on the shelf for some time and kind of built up to that house. But the rest of them aren't really doing too much, so yeah.
SPEAKER_00I guess.
SPEAKER_01We were fooled by the degrees and the veneers. Well, not actual veneers, but you know, the veneer alive.
SPEAKER_00Right. Well, that's the thing. It's just like I I don't know. I guess like to me, like Wendy never really like necessarily flashed like anything crazy, like wealth-wise on the show, from what I can remember. I mean, like little things, like her house is nice, you know, she's got she's gotten some new titties and stuff over the years and whatnot, and gotten her body done. Like, she's done little things, but like she's never been like one of those housewives, and and like to your point, none of the Potomac woman really, but Potomac's never really been one of those housewife franchises where they're showing some crazy piece of jewelry and you see the little price tag in the corner, like Bravo edits in and stuff like that, or like and you know, even like we never had her like pulling up at a new mozzie like Karen would sometimes or know what you don't need to be driving fucking sports cars or like fuck old ass. Well thing is she obviously never showed like Monique level wealth or anything like that. So like I I just I was never suspicious. I was never suspicious of Wendy, right?
SPEAKER_01But even that like Monique took like nice family trips, but she didn't do like she had a very like bogey, me and low-key kind of style, so she wasn't doing the most of the outfits either. Which Wendy kind of was, but also it's not like hard or expensive to be the best dress on Potomac, which Wendy was. But like it also it wasn't that much of a red flag because it's like you know, you're next to Giselle and Ashley in her leggings, so it's like okay. Right.
SPEAKER_00Well, Piana and One thing, and like even with somebody like Monique and like kind of the wealth that she would kind of flex sometimes and the thing expensive things she's have, it would kind of be like with her, it's like, okay, NFL has been retired. She says they had a great investment portfolio. It's all pretty believable, you know. Like it was it seemed pretty believable where the money was coming from. And I mean, same thing with the Ocephos, you know, like she was a professor recently recently kind of like took a step back from that. He was a he was a lawyer until I don't know, maybe in maybe in the last few years he's kind of stepped back, and now he has like, from what we understood, a very successful which is crazy.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00One thing, yeah, and from what we understand, he has like a very he's launched like a very successful cannabis business. So it's just like their money to me, like I never questioned their money. Yeah. Well, now I'm questioning everything because like in the because like literally we got the premiere of the new season of Potomac, and in the premiere, like that's what they were talking about. Is like Wendy and Eddie were talking about like how successful Happy Eddie has been and how they're expanding and they're doing this. And then a few days after that premiere, like next thing we know, not even a week later, this happens.
SPEAKER_01Right? Although I know there's like state-to-state things and regulations, but you know I like the Perusa dispensary, but I I've never seen Happy Eddie on no shell. Like like Vita T PLU, it has made it to the stores I frequent. Maybe that's the distribution thing, I don't know.
unknownRight.
SPEAKER_01I love me some Lisa Barlow. So I want to smoke VMware Happy Eddie Blanc and pre-roll. But before we get into the meat and potatoes of it all, I wanna I wanna talk about the mugshots themselves. Because Eddie look high as a god. Eddie look high as a yeah, the mugshots. Like he was just trying some product, but they were like, uh-uh, Victor, it's time.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, no, he looks he looks fucking like just gone. Like he is so damn high. His eyes, he can barely keep his eyes open, but he still looks fine as always, damn it.
SPEAKER_01Um she's trying the surface, but she's obviously shook.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, no, I I can't with her smiling in the mugshot, the damn smile.
SPEAKER_01And like and I feel like you can see the lace on the wig. That's what sets me to. Like the prisoner.
SPEAKER_00I was literally about to say this might sound like to me, I feel like they could have like adjusted the lighting to make that less visible. Like, I feel like they didn't have to do that.
SPEAKER_01I don't I don't think I don't think they're doing that for your fucking perk photo, baby.
SPEAKER_00I guess, but I to me I feel like I'm like, y'all just wanted to humiliate Dr. Wendy with that damn lace.
SPEAKER_01I guess as if the charges aren't humiliating, but well, maybe she got arrested with not on and she was like, Oh, can I put it on real quick for the bug shot? So maybe we shouldn't have time to do the application. Maybe we should have slapped it on because she was like, Oh my god, I'm not taking this mugshot without this.
SPEAKER_00Damn, she didn't have anything with like a bang or something. Now when do you ever see Dr.
SPEAKER_01Wendy? When do you ever see Dr. Wendy with a bang? This is she's not black china in 2012, bitch. She's not right now, right?
SPEAKER_00I just assumed everyone that's like a wig enthusiast, everyone that like owns wigs, I just assumed like they would all like have like either like at least one wig with a bang, or maybe like a clip-on bang to put on one of their wigs.
SPEAKER_01Not a Nikki 2012. You do everybody got Nikki 2012 in the back.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I I I think so. Honestly, and you don't charge me, charge me with that.
SPEAKER_01They should. They should.
SPEAKER_02Oh my god.
SPEAKER_01Alright, well, we addressed the mugshots themselves, so let's get into what gets you the mugshots, because you don't just get those, you know, walking around DC. Our in Carroll County, Maryland, which is very, very far from Potomac, if you open up Google Maps.
SPEAKER_00Way by yourself.
SPEAKER_01But um a grand jury indicted Wendy and Eddie, both 41, on multiple felony counts of fraud, seven for the former professor, and nine for her husband. Additionally, they were charged with eight this misdemeanor counts of conspiracy fraud and one count of giving a false statement to a police officer. And if you want to dive deeper into it, essentially the code is related to insurance fraud in relation to an April 2024 incident where they allegedly fraudulently reported a burglary theft at their home. And yeah, now that's the that's the case. They were trying to get their insurance settlement back. They were trying to claim things that were not. Sorry, what were you saying?
SPEAKER_00No, I was saying when you got to the end of that list, when you said you sounded so disappointed, like when you said and lying to a police officer. It reminded it reminded me of that it reminded me of that video of that one lady like that was getting recorded, like talking about her daughter. She's like, Miss Kayla Stevens is getting in trouble, and she lists off all this stuff, and at the very end of the channel and she goes, and having a stolen phone.
SPEAKER_01Well, I mean, I feel like a stolen phone would have been the minimum with these charges because she is. A felony. And pretty much what they tried to do here was try to claim that things were stolen that were not. And they pretty much got caught a few ways. One, we're just being dumbasses. So the kicker is that Eddie sent Wendy an email, an email, yes, to his wife that he lives in the house with. Ask if there's anything else missing that they got robbed that they got robbed from that they can add to reach the maximum of the policy, which is $450,000. So he's literally in the email, like, damn, did you lose any Chanel shoes per chance? Or, you know, any belts. So there's that. There's also the fact that jewelry Wendy claimed was stolen, the wedding ring, the band, she was posted around with on Instagram.
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SPEAKER_01On top of that, there's a lot of clothing listed that was confirmed to be returned from the stores. So Nima Markets was like, uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh. That bitch returned this.
SPEAKER_00Well, one of the rings appeared on episodes one and two of the new season of Patelman. How are you gonna take it in front of the Bravo cameras?
SPEAKER_01That's like they did not keep their story together at all for people with eight degrees. So yeah, I think that's I don't know if they thought they were slick or like the insurance company would just like squeeze on by it. I don't know if they saw other housewives get away with it because there have been a random string of robberies in Beverly Hills that I don't know. I'm not saying there's anything going on there, but I'm just everyone that uses Edwin, aka Teddy's ex-husband, husband, security company.
SPEAKER_00Well, I yeah seems to get wrong. One thing I'm gonna say is Dorite did fake that robbery. I don't give a fuck what anybody says. She faked that robbery. She l she lied. She lied.
SPEAKER_01Well, I I guess her and PK committed to the bit better, or they weren't emailing each other because they don't got no money.
SPEAKER_00Well, that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. If if Wendy wanted to get away with this, she should have claimed that she was held at gunpoint like Dorit, because then everyone feels bad for questioning it.
SPEAKER_01Well, I think the police would have debunked that too, because when they were investigating the robbery, they didn't even have their story straight with that. Because I guess a window was left open, so the police were like, oh, okay. But it was like on top of a garage or something. Like something where you have to climb on something to get to access it. And there was no debris or anything in the house. So like you would naturally track anything from outside in, but nobody had done that. So there was no like signs of a break-in or forced entry, no broken like doors or anything. So just the the the signs were not there, the signs were not signing. If they did do this and it was a con, they should have done what Justin Smolet did and at least hired somebody to you know something.
SPEAKER_00To like pretend to do it. But like, well, what I found interesting too was that when I went back and what like re-watched an interview Wendy gave talking about the robbery, like right after it happened, well the alleged robbery, um, right after it allegedly happened, um she made a comment that the neighborhood that they live in that like this particular neighborhood that this is like the first like burglary in that neighborhood in 20 years or something like that. Oh and I'm just like, girl, if burglar if it's not even common there, like that puts an extra magnifying class on this case.
SPEAKER_01Right?
SPEAKER_00Right. Well and like and like if this is a neighborhood where this doesn't happen, like if anything, if it does happen, the police are gonna be extra on it. Like, oh, we need to find out we need to find out who the fuck did this.
SPEAKER_01Right? They're in our Caucasian neighborhood acting a damn fool for a people.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so it's just there's a there's a lot that makes no sense to to me, especially like I don't know, like I get being sloppy if you're doing some like really, really basic. Like, I don't know, like if you're like cheating on your taxes or doing something silly, like I understand maybe being a little bit more.
SPEAKER_01That's not silly, bitch. That that's a lot of people.
SPEAKER_00Well, no, I know, and like I wouldn't do it, but I'm just saying, but like as far as like just doing some like minor like fudging on the numbers on your taxes, like something that you can kind of like if you get caught, you can be like, oh, accounting error or whatever. You know, I'm saying like you can kind of make up excuses for like how it happened and probably not getting like a whole like you probably just have to pay it and not get in that much trouble. Um well, you know, it's it's shit like what the Hugers did. You know, just do some just do a little simple like fudging on your numbers, don't pay some taxes, and then when they catch you, you just pay that shit back. Um but it's like with this, this was such a scheme, and like the fact that they it was like over $300,000 in like in for their insurance claim. And I think if you're gonna be doing insurance fraud for that level of money, you should really be pulling off a tighter scheme here.
SPEAKER_01Right, you would think like it's giving it's their first time, but they're not moving like it's their first time, they're moving like they've done this before, so I don't know. I think they they they put took off a little, you know, too much dip on their chip there. I think if they kept it to a smooth one hundred thousand or something, instead of the four four fifty, and then throwing in rings after the fact, filing claims to multiple insurance holders, it was like, alright, girl, what are you trying to do now? But what um the police department also brought up, which I thought very interesting, was that they are in a lot of debt. Which with eight degrees, I can see how that happens. Because I have the one, and those people still want their money. Even though Kamala and Joe said that they would pay for it, but we're not gonna talk about that. We're not gonna talk about that. I'm I'm over it, I promise.
SPEAKER_00No, you're not, but it's okay. We'll move on.
SPEAKER_01I'm not, but you know, eight degrees, that's a lot of debt, especially because 1.5 million dollars schools and whatnot, those are expensive. They got four apiece, and a tax attorney they make good money, but raising three kids, paying a mortgage, and paying off all them student loans. I remember when Wendy first joined the show when they were talking all that shit about her. You know, as you do when you start a when you join Housewives, all of it comes out, there'll be Reddit threads and posts. But even back then it was like, oh, Wendy has $1.5 million student loan debt with her husband. Which I think could be accurate. They have a lot of degrees. And they were in school for a minute.
SPEAKER_00Well we're gonna be able to do that.
SPEAKER_01And some of those PC programs aren't fully funded. And law school. Right. It's clear that Wendy wanted to try to prove herself to her mother and you know, get some accolades and stack them up somehow. But I think she should have skipped that first masters, went right to the PhD program. I don't know.
SPEAKER_00I really want someone to check on Miss Susan and all of this. I I have a feeling she's not wet.
SPEAKER_01I mean, we knew she wasn't well from the moment she bleached her skin, allegedly, but I do hope she's doing well as well, because this is a lot. I hope and then I hope the babies are doing well, you know. Oh I hope they're you know getting their homework sent home at least for this week because it makes sense. Your mommy daddy stole.
SPEAKER_00I mean, I know if like if I were one of their classmates, like back when I was a kid, I I mean I probably would have done. I'd probably been like, I've been like, my my mommy said that your parents are criminals.
SPEAKER_01Oh I wouldn't have said it to them, but I thought my parents would have been uh you're not a scamming boy. Yeah, yeah, don't like that with him, be careful. Don't bring him around be careful around that.
SPEAKER_00Oh do you think do you think um if this had if this had been your situation and Wendy Osepho's kids came over to your house to play, do you think your parents would have checked their pockets on the land?
SPEAKER_01No, I don't know about I don't think the kids are thieves. I don't know if they've been putting up, you know, putting them up to generational comms. But we'll we'll wait for more documents to come out. I don't know.
SPEAKER_00The kids seem pretty innocent. The kids like on the show and stuff, they seem like very just like innocent, sweet little kids.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, no, I think when Dina and Eddie try to keep the kids out of it and try to Which I think most good parents make an attempt to if there are financial try to you know, I think nothing's happening in front of the children.
SPEAKER_00Mm-hmm. Oh yeah, for sure. Keep it, keep it calm, keep it cute, try to keep as little as much of the stress off the kids as possible, as a little of the mess. Um I still I still think it's insane that we have because like they were arrested we they were arrested on like Thursday night or whatever, and the next morning we got their mugshot versus we still don't have a Karen Huger mugshot to this day.
SPEAKER_01Well maybe she has a good tea. Maybe she has a good team. Or maybe that'll help me.
SPEAKER_00I think that team should have helped Wendy because we because like these because now she's in the frickin' housewife mugshot hall of fame.
SPEAKER_01She is, she is. Uh at least she only has the one. I mean, Marlo's still in the lead with 22, maybe.
SPEAKER_00Well, I don't think any I don't think anyone's ever gonna beat Marla. Yeah, it's a it's impossible.
SPEAKER_01You know who I'm surprised doesn't have any Mia Thorian, at least how we know of. Does she have any?
SPEAKER_00I mean she I wouldn't be surprised if maybe she had if she had one that's sealed like Shere's.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Because I guess if there's someone who would you know, I think would have a mugshot, it's Mia Thorian. Her and Dorinda both kind of dodge and have a mugshot. They know how to play the game.
SPEAKER_00They do they know how to play that long game, honey.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, but more details to how stupid Eddie and Wendy were. When the police had a search and seizure warrant for their house, they found 15 items that they claimed were stolen during the burglary. So they didn't even put those away. They didn't even try to hide them, they didn't even pretend, so yeah, no, it was just poor planning all around. And now Wendy's all reap what she sells.
SPEAKER_00I know. It's you know, it's scary because they're facing, I mean, from what I saw, a number of potentially a number of years prison time. I hope it's not that bad, but you know, they they they are facing time behind bars and not sick, not Karen Huger's six months type of time.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, definitely longer time, but I don't think this is like a federal charge. I don't think it's gonna be like the county jail like Karen. It might be. Well, it's not a Maryland grand jury. I don't know how all this shit works, but I it's white-collar jail for WendyS.
SPEAKER_00That thing, yeah, that's what I was wondering is if they're gonna go somewhere like actual like jail jail, or if it's gonna be more of like a Martha Stewart experience.
SPEAKER_01Um I think because they have no priors, they might get the Martha Stewart experience. But it's scary was a DUI where they're trying to like you know scare people off from those. And she was a fourth time there.
SPEAKER_00I think what's I think what really scares me for Wendy and Eddie, because I see I definitely see a lot of people on social media being like, oh, they're gonna be fine, it's whatever, you know, rich people get away with this type of stuff. And I'm just like, okay, but here's the thing. I'm like, first of all, like they're not, I mean, they make in this in this administration?
SPEAKER_01That's really good.
SPEAKER_00I don't know if they were born here or not, but still, like No, I think they I think they both are immigrants, or at least Eddie is. But um, but that's the thing, is like it's like, okay, there, you know, this is uh these these are Nigerian individuals, they are immigrants. We are like we are under an administration that doesn't like either of those things. Um and on top of that, like, yes, they live a more fabulous lifestyle than most of us will, you know, do or will experience, but they are not like top one per like they're not like rich rich. They're not because what I think what people don't understand is it's like in order to just like get away and do whatever you want and just get a slap on the wrist for it, you have to be like top one percent rich for that kind of bullshit.
SPEAKER_01At least it's like big enough, like somebody owes you a favor, you have a couple of those a guy. Like Michael Murphy can probably get away with this.
SPEAKER_00Right. Well I think and I think actually like kind of their kind of their position in society and their class and everything, yeah. I think really they're in like the worst spot to be because they are high profile enough and have enough assets and money that I think a judge or a court would love to make, or a prosecution team would love to make an example out of them. But like I said, they're not rich and wealthy and connected enough to just get off the hook for this. So I think really they're in like one of the worst, like in the middle positions you can be in.
SPEAKER_01Which I'm sure their dumbasses weren't even thinking. They secured the bag.
SPEAKER_00Right. Well, I'm saying it. I would really love to know. It I mean, I that that I'm curious if this is gonna go to trial or not. I hope not. I hope they just take a fucking plea deal. But because if if it goes to trial, then we're gonna get a lot more information. I would be really curious to know like what was the what was the reason in the words of Belkalie.
SPEAKER_01I don't even think nobody's gonna be able to do that.
SPEAKER_00Like was it just was it just the stupid was it just the debt, or is it like I don't know.
SPEAKER_01Probably a mix of the debt, keeping up with the Joneses, 1000 for the show, trying to hedge time, you know, robbing Peter to pay Paul until Happy Eddie took off because I don't doubt that it was doing well, you know, weed business, TV marketing. Like I'm I'm sure it was doing a low sum. But you know, are you know maybe this is how Miss Susan has been getting down, and this is this is what they know.
SPEAKER_00Right. What I am I'm also curious, because like you mentioned earlier, like are they first timers or have they been doing this shit and they just got caught this time? I would if if it is the latter and they have been doing stuff, because I know a lot of people, especially with financial crime, they will start small and kind of build up, build up, build up, do more, do more, do more. So I would be curious if they have done other shenanigans in the past, if those are gonna come to light now and become uncovered, like as you know, this is more as this is further investigated and as we go deeper and stuff.
SPEAKER_01That's true, because people seem to talk like this is known. Because one, we have Ashley's forehead bringing, you know, coming into the city. She has been so she's been so making shady remarks. It's like, oh, you're not sure.
SPEAKER_00So she said Zen Wen is going to the pack.
SPEAKER_01Right, she's saying a lot. And if there was a clip of from the NECA season where NECA will just like, oh, the the bodysuit is cute. Has she returned it yet? Which people are now resurfacing, like, oh, did NECA know something? Was it just like regular, you know, housewife shade, or was she alluding to something about something deeper?
SPEAKER_00So I I bet NECA is the latest right now.
SPEAKER_01I'm sure she's cackling, which that has also been a topic of discussion, whether or not she's vindicated, which I think is weird because NECA's drama with Wendy was about getting on the show and voodoo accusations. It was never about calling her a scammer or a fraud. NECA was still boring, but it wasn't about fraud.
SPEAKER_00Right. Well and the thing is, is like it kind of goes back to that saying of like a broken clock is you know right twice a day. It's kind of like I feel and I feel like that's the thing is like if something like this happens to somebody, you can go all the way back and you can say everyone's vindicated, you can say Robin's vindicated, Giselle's vindicated, Ashley's vindicated, NEC is vindicated. Like anyone that she has had any kind of issue with is vindicated. Um you can even say Kiana right now is vindicated. Um, but the thing is, like you pointed out, none of them ever said anything about fraud or scamming or came for her for this. So it's like they weren't correct, they were still coming after her for other bullshit. Now, does this make you think twice that maybe the other bullshit they were coming after her for? Maybe if before you didn't buy it, now you're thinking like, hmm. Maybe maybe there was maybe that was the truth.
SPEAKER_01I do feel like Wendy I don't know about weird, but she seemed to be navigating this season after she didn't give a fuck. I don't know, her preseason press seemed off to me. But I couldn't sort of put a finger on it. So I'm wondering if she like knew this shit was coming at this point. Well I'm sure in pr preseason press there's like because a a jury, a grand jury saw this, uh get some heads up at some point while this was going there.
SPEAKER_00Oh yeah, no, I don't think I don't think it ever like when people are arrested for this kind of th shit, especially on this level that they did it, like I don't think they're ever really like necessarily completely caught off guard. Like maybe they didn't know exactly when the arrest was coming or when the shoe was gonna drop, but I definitely think you you kind of start to realize that you're being invested.
SPEAKER_01The insurance company wants some follow-ups.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. I think I think similar to like, I don't know, like Jen Shaw or something, like she knew, like, she knew it was all coming down at some point, way before she was actually like arrested for it.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, because then people were running into Nitchin, they were running into the channel, but I don't know. I'll be curious to get more thoughts from the cast. Most people have just been given, like, oh my god, Michael Dolosis with the kids, I knew nothing about it. You know, the first day it broke out, which Candace was doing a live interview. And got quite excited about the shit. She was gagged.
SPEAKER_00I'd be so pissed if I were Candace. Getting ambushed with that shit being, but you know, Candace being a page.
SPEAKER_01She didn't even read an article, find though, you know, follow-up information.
SPEAKER_00One thing, yeah. Being a pageant girl though, she she maintained her composure quite well.
SPEAKER_01I would have demanded like no, put that put it up on the screen. I need to see some details. You can't see it.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, right. Right.
SPEAKER_01Um one of my former classmates got in trouble for securities fraud. You best believe I went to the SEC website, I read that whole thing.
SPEAKER_00You're like, I want to know all the details. Um, well, and because I mean, like, and we haven't, because we haven't filmed the reunion yet, obviously, because the season just started airing right when as this happened. Um, so we haven't gotten the reunion filmed yet. And from what I understand, people were saying the other day that, like, pretty much right after this happened, and news broke about Bravo cameras went back up to start filming again. So I wouldn't be surprised if this is similar, because it's like as far as that aspect of it, it's very similar to Scandaval a few years ago on Vanderpump Rules, where like they had already finished filming the entire season, promoting it, and like the season was just starting to air when the whole Tom Scandeval cheating controversy broke and became a big thing. And same thing, you know, they hadn't filmed the reunion yet, and they bought brought back up cameras to film it. So I wouldn't be shocked if either the if like they are like if they're gonna re-edit like the fin the season finale to include all of this in it, and then like obviously it'll be more further discussed at the reunion. Whether or not Wendy and is gonna be at the reunion is you know, we'll see. If I were her, I wouldn't go.
SPEAKER_01She's not showing up, she's not showing up.
SPEAKER_00If I were her, there's no fucking way in hell I would go. Let them go jump Stacey fuck that. Right, yeah, exactly. Like, if I were Wendy, I wouldn't immediately uh done with the show. Nope. Uh uh.
SPEAKER_01Because the first time you're gonna argue with somebody, are you returning that dress? Are you returning that dress?
SPEAKER_00Right, that she'll never live this down, especially not with this cast. Because I mean you have to think like this cast, like these women, like especially like a Giselle or an Ashley, like some of the shit that they will hold on to for years and continue to bring up, like, I I mean they they still they still talking to Karen about shit that happened in season one and two a decade ago.
SPEAKER_01Especially Wendy had a precarious position on the show, because who really fucked with her like that? Like you could tell they all kept her kind of at arm's length. Even where she's like probably in the best position now, well, before the fraud, alleged fraud, in these last two seasons. It's because of you know, everyone else was going down. Karen got to the UI, so herb is all kind of made up, and Ash is kind of on thin ice, and the new girls are kind of trash. Well, they were last season. Now, like Stacy's here, you know, Tia and Angel looking cute. But you know, Kiana's trying really hard. Yeah. Like the Kiarna, Ascala, Neka era, like it was like, okay. The casting is not really like what are y'all doing over there in casting? But that they're starting to get her now. So I think Wendy kind of like Ashley got lucky and positioned herself well, but she was never quite secure on this cla cast. She probably had another another takedown season coming anyway. So Right.
SPEAKER_00Well, the thing is I feel like even like when she made up with because like I feel like her and Ashley like being on good terms, clearly that was fake as fuck because them because Ashley's been the most vicious since this news came out towards Wendy. Um, she's been like the one shading her publicly and everything. Um but even like I mean, Giselle and Wendy's makeup, that always felt fake. And I like even though they've kind of been like pretending to be friends like last season and this season, like I can still feel like Giselle doesn't like Wendy.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. I think it's mutual. I think it's mutual.
SPEAKER_00Right, yeah, no, I don't think they like each other. They don't like each other, but um, and then also and then like we know how Giselle works, because I mean Giselle was pretending to be Monique's friend for a few seconds until the fight happened, and then she saw the excuse to go after Monique and went for it. So if Wendy were to stay on the show, like obviously Giselle's gonna go straight for her like following this because it's an opportunity.
SPEAKER_01And I don't blame Wendy because it's clear that if if if you ride it with Giselle, you gotta chill all season. Production on her side too. I'm not gonna be fighting the Green Eye Devil and the production at the same time.
SPEAKER_00Right, right. Yeah, it's it's a gag. Now I'm really curious. I I mean I I'm really curious to see if Karen ends up being at the reunion this season, and if so, like how she's gonna approach this topic.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I wonder if they'll include her in the little Wendy dragging scene that they're gonna have discussing the fraud. Because I'm not gonna go with some Karen screen time in this season while she's out. So you might have to do that.
SPEAKER_00But it's also like I guess the the thing, I guess Karen is delusional enough to like drag someone else's criminal accusations as she's still like on parole. And that's why we love her.
SPEAKER_01That's why we love her.
SPEAKER_00She is definitely delusional enough to do that. And and yeah, and like you said, I appreciate that. Um so when it comes to like kind of like the the fallout of this, obviously we talked about the fact that they could face like serious time for this. Um, I'm also you know, we've been talking about the last few days since this broke, but like we've both been very concerned about the kids, like especially like as far as like because we don't really know, like, all we know is they were arrested like that Thursday night, and then we got the story the next morning on Friday. But like I don't know the details of like were they arrested like with their kids like with their children present? Um, like did their children witness that? Um like what was that like?
SPEAKER_01Like was it like judges while they were busting down the doors?
SPEAKER_00Well thing, like did they cuff them? Like, did they cuff them or did they basically or was it kind of more of like a nice like we need to take you down to the station?
SPEAKER_01And like it's giving they quietly surrendered themselves while the kids were with their grandparents. That would I I hope so. At least that's what I hope. At least that's what I hope.
SPEAKER_00I hope so, because I I I never liked the idea of children seeing their parents get arrested. Like it just it it's like so hard.
SPEAKER_01The way Eddie's high as hell and Wendy just slapped that wig on, I don't know. But then the lawyer just called them, but like you it it it's it's time right now, bitch. Come on.
SPEAKER_00Right. Well one of the main reasons why I am just like hoping as like deep down as possible that like somehow, some way they do not like do actual time for this. I know I'm being delusional, but I'm hoping because like I am just like the kids are probably delusional, right?
SPEAKER_01There was a big one that I found that ended up with like 36 months of prison, but they were doing like millions of dollars of fraud and it was like to others, so it wasn't just like insurance, it was like other people. So think of like that having a victim and like the amount that they got like a three-ish year. I feel like one year at most, one to two at most sounds right if they get time. I think it's like 50-50, no time and time, but I don't see the time being longer than two years. And they might even get like the Teresa Joe where they get to do it like back to back so they can take it. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00I mean that would be helpful, but like I'm just hoping they don't get time at all. Um, because like the kids, like, this is already so traumatizing, and I'm like, I don't want to even think of the kids being further traumatized by being separated from their parents for an extended period of time by them being incarcerated. Like, it's just it's so sad.
SPEAKER_01Especially because their families don't even seem that close. It was a whole thing in Wendy's first season, like Eddie getting disowned by his family for marrying her, so it's not like we'll have a unified unit, you know, for the kids. Yeah, and I'm sure those families don't like each other, they're talking some shit, like, oh, I know she was no good, I know he was no good.
SPEAKER_00Well, nothing, yeah. I bet that's going down. Nothing, yeah. And I I didn't even think about that that you mentioned it, but yeah, there's not really like that huge, extended, like kind of like in-sync family unit to kind of come together and rally around these kids. So if they if it worst case scenario, if they both are doing time at the same time, it literally, I'm guessing it's just gonna be Miss Susan watching these kids.
SPEAKER_01Now, when the sister IV's involved too, I'm sure she'll be involved.
SPEAKER_00Okay, yeah.
SPEAKER_01I don't think it's just Miss Susan versus the world.
SPEAKER_00Miss Susan versus the world. Well, you know, she's a powerful woman, so we've heard, so I don't know.
SPEAKER_01She is, she is. Mia knows.
SPEAKER_00I'm thinking about that damn crow, is that your mom?
SPEAKER_01But um, I think this brings me to I guess the the the messy theory, I like to call it. But people think there are some schools of thought that Eddie tried to set Wendy up, and that Wendy trying to set Eddie up. And that there might be some divorce filings, they might turn on each other. Which I think is highly possible. When your back is against the wall like this, you face jail time. It could be all spot-free. And I don't know for Wendy, like, if Wendy can spin it into like he forced me, there's abuse, you know, redemption season, bug deal. It could be lucrative. Unfortunately. Right. I think or fortunately, however you want to frame frame it.
SPEAKER_00What they I think when I mean obviously people are gonna look at like maybe like the Phaedra situation where like Apollo went went down, and and like some I don't know if that's the case or not, obviously, but it occurred with a big disparity in education levels between Phaedra and Apollo. Yeah, I know. I don't think they have that here. There are people of the school of thought that Phaedra essentially is like a criminal as well, and that she sat that Apollo was kind of like her fall guy in that situation because she did swiftly like file for divorce and everything and get everything, and she kind of seemed to have all of her ducks in a row. Um, I think part of that though, like let's say that is the case. Say like Wendy's gonna turn on Eddie or whatever, and I think part of that though was with them having kids together because Apollo and Phaedra had kids together, but those kids were like still little enough. This is gonna sound so fucked up, but they were so little enough that I feel like Phaedra could manipulate them into like your daddy abandoned you, like hate your father, love me. But I feel like Wendy Apollo's one thing, one like I feel like Wendy and Eddie's kids are old enough that like if either one of them did the other dirty, they would hate the other parent forever for the rest of their life.
SPEAKER_01Oh yeah, I think they're old enough to definitely be understanding context and like looking things up for themselves and also like having each other as community because I'm sure like the older, like you know, K Cameron, the youngest one, she's like six or seven. But the oldest one probably like 13, so I'm sure he has more opinions and thoughts. He's probably talking about it. Oh, yeah. But all of them on the thing is like so they're probably like, yeah, there's another dynamic there. But there wasn't Phaedra's toddlers.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that's the thing is if if Wendy turned on on Eddie, the kids would hate her forever. And if and if Eddie turned on Wendy, the kids would hate him forever. So that I think that's another level of it to think about.
SPEAKER_01Unless they did it well, unless they did it well, unless they did it well.
SPEAKER_00Right. You have to you they have to be acting their ass off like Porsche. She's acting her ass off.
SPEAKER_01Well, I don't know. I thought most young kids are gonna choose their mother, but I don't know.
SPEAKER_00Um Yeah, it it depends. Honestly, it really depends, especially like what phase they're in. Because like sometimes you have like with boys, you have like the mama's boy phase. With girls, you have the daddy's girl phase, or like like at it depends, I think.
SPEAKER_01That's true. You know, that is interesting, but you know, I do want to see what their next move is. I yeah, they've I don't know. I kind of want less, but they're probably gonna I don't know, they think they love each other. I feel like I don't believe those rumors. If I were to guess, they're just gonna go down together, probably plead guilty, maybe scrape together a plea deal.
unknownI do.
SPEAKER_01But I think the most of the drama has happened now. I think the you know the foot has dropped, they're probably just gonna be like, well.
SPEAKER_00Well, yeah, no. I definitely I believe they're gonna take the plea deal. There's not gonna be a trial. I think they're gonna take the plea deal A because they'll get they'll get a better sentence than if they went took this draw. Because similar to Karen Huger, like she should have just taken the fucking plea deal. She would have gotten an easier sentence. But um, I think if they take the plea deal, they're gonna get an easier sentence. And also I think they would absolutely want to avoid going to trial to avoid like further embarrassment of just like other details getting dragged out all over the media. Yeah, so I 100% believe, like, I agree with you. I think the rest of this is probably gonna be relatively quiet. Like, I mean, they kind of they had a statement put out basically asking to respect their privacy and they look forward to their day in court, and that's kind of like all we've gotten as far as like from them. And I think it's gonna continue. Wendy's gonna leave the show, they're gonna like avoid the limelight, at least for now, they're not gonna do press. Um, and yeah, I think that's gonna be the bulk of it. Now, can I because I do have an even crazier conspiracy theory than Wendy and Eddie turning on each other, and I want to express it.
SPEAKER_01Oh Lord, here we go.
SPEAKER_00So, well, because I was curious about because I saw the video of the sheriff in that county giving um a like they he he they did like a press conference basically. Um he had shady little comments ready. He was talking about I don't care if she's a real housewife or a fake housewife. And like he had little comments ready. And here's my thing. I my conspiracy theory is that this is like maybe not like a setup in the sense that I think they did do this shit, but I think that they are getting busted and it's becoming this huge media circus and it's becoming like so salacious because I think the the sheriff in that county, Jim Deweys, who is a Republican, by the way, um who uh he is up for re-election. Yeah. Well, you know, it doesn't it always have to be that way.
SPEAKER_01It's like saying forkist on in the kitchen. Like, uh yeah.
SPEAKER_00Well, uh but yeah, basically, what I I was curious, I was like, is this like a re-election thing? Like, does he want to get some good press before he's up for re-election? So I looked, and what do you know? His last election was in 2022, which means he is up for re-election next year. And so I'm like, hmm, high-profile celebrity case. You get to grandstand and be in the media a little bit. Okay. Right. But part of why this theory is crazy as hell is because last time he won with 97.71% of the vote. So he probably doesn't need stunts like that.
SPEAKER_01Well, maybe he wants to be a state police, maybe he wants an upgrade, levy upgrade you.
SPEAKER_00Well, I think well that's and that's the thing is even if it's not for the sake of like winning an election, it could be because a lot of times these like a lot of times like people in law enforcement, like whether it's a sheriff, uh, prosecutor, um, the d the defense or whatever on it, like a lot of times they like to try to take something high profile like this, get attached and make a name for themselves, and maybe you know, get a fucking a show on Fox News or something talking shit.
SPEAKER_01Well we'll we'll see what his goals are. But I feel like definitely in like the Maryland area. There's probably a lot of like opportunities for cops to advance and like do some government work or do some bullshit. So I can definitely see why uh making a profile for himself is lucrative. Well, you know, especially in this tired ass county in you know, northern Maryland.
SPEAKER_00Well, and like um, and you know, Wendy was very like she was a big supporter of Kamala Harris last year and was a big critic of Donald Trump. And you know how petty Donald Trump is. He he he might you know if you think Donnie set this up?
SPEAKER_01You think Donnie set this up?
SPEAKER_00Maybe not said of that, but I think that the prosecution, the sheriff, all these people against the OSAFOs, I feel like if they I feel like if they you know do what they are supposed to do, according to Donald, and get and get Wendy and Eddie locked the fuck up for a while, he they might get cabinet positions, they might end up in the in the administration. Nothing would shock me anymore.
SPEAKER_01I mean, this country is crazy, and I watch scandals, so I'm not gonna put it past you. Well what my conspiracy is in that Deep. I do think Wendy saw the Beverly Hills bitches do all this insurance fraud. And she maybe reached out, asked a few questions. She's like, Oh, we can do this. We can do this. Wendy forgot she's black in America.
SPEAKER_00I just imagine if she like reached out to Dore and asked, like, how how how you how you do insurance fraud and shit? Like Dare would just be fraud, right? Actually, she probably sent her a fucking email. No one knows they get that. Not sending Dari Kensley an email asking how like for tips on how to commit fraud. I I don't think Wendy knows how to download Telegram.
SPEAKER_01Do you? Do you probably not. Probably not. But I do have a question for you to tap into your expertise, cuz because you you you you work in the banking world. And you know you you work day-to-day with some notaries. So um Wendy and he had signed a sworn notarized statement of law to the insurance companies. And obviously we know they lied, allegedly. Do we need to say allegedly? It's in the court docs, but so can that notary get in trouble in their little book with their little book?
SPEAKER_00So I I I'm glad you asked this, Aiden, because um I actually I actually spoke. I I myself am not a notary, but I spoke to a notary today, and prep and you know, I I do my homework, I do my due diligence. Um, because what we do here is journalism, Andy. Um, but I spoke to a notary today, and I asked her, I kind of like just told her the details. I was like, okay, so you know, like this is what happened. They did insurance fraud, they got a declaration of loss, and it was notarized, but obviously it's all fraudulent. And I kind of asked her, I was like, what kind of risk is the notary at? And so overall, the thing with being a notary is it does put you at a lot of risk of shenanigans, but it's more that's more like as far as getting in like actual trouble, like being fined or doing jail time, that's more so if like you as the notary make a mistake. So basically, if so 100% though, I will say when we her and I both agree on this, the notary is 100%, if they have not already been brought in for questioning, they will be brought in for questioning. And if this were to go to trial, 100% of the notary would be on the stand testifying during the trial. Um so that is all 100% like the notary is 100% getting dragged into this. Now, as far as if the notary could get in trouble for this, it kind of depends. So if the notary did everything by the book, properly ID'd them, went through the steps, you know, looked at the document to make sure the doc the like everything was in order.
SPEAKER_01They don't know they're lying, they didn't even know they signed it, right?
SPEAKER_00Exactly. Yeah, so I mean, if the notary was tricked, if they were lied to but everything was in order and they did it, the notary should not get in any actual trouble or really face any serious consequences for it. Now, if the notary fucked up in some way, if they made a mistake, if they were negligent in some aspect of the process, they didn't, if they didn't do certain parts of the process, then they could potentially get in trouble and you know face some pretty hefty fines. Um because essentially, you know, it could be argued, depending on like what it was, that if they were negligent or if they messed something up, that they maybe c kind of like cleared the way for the fraud to happen. So it kind of depends. I would say as long as the notary, though, like really did everything by the book, you know, did everything they were supposed to, minded their manners, um, then they should be fine. But they the 100% though, they will be dragged into this if they haven't already. They will be questioned by the police. If it goes to trial, they will have to take the stand 100%.
SPEAKER_01Ooh. Well, I hope Wendy used the one down at the bank and not like her friend or something. Do they go be in trouble?
SPEAKER_00Well, I mean, they probably because I I know typically how it works is I guess it depends. I mean, if you have a friend that does notaries, that's one thing. But although usually though, for notaries, there's like conflict of and there's like kind of like conflict of interest type rules. Like I know at the bank, like like at the bank, we will have like an on-staff notary and they will do no and one of the benefits too of like going to your bank and doing it is usually your bank will do it for free instead of charging you a fee like other places, like if you go to other notaries. Um, so I mean with all the fraud they were doing, maybe they would go somewhere where they could get the notary for free. But I I I would say though, um, because a lot of times though, notaries that work in banks that are doing notaries for bank customers, they cannot notarize certain types of documents because it could be considered a conflict of interest. Um so like I I just know like um if uh certain like loan documents or certain financial like stuff, a bank a notary in a bank cannot do for their customer because it would be a conflict of interest. So that would be another thing, too, is whether or not this declaration of loss could be considered a conflict of interest. I don't know. I don't know that if it could be, but if it is considered a conflict of interest, and say they did go to like a notary at a bank that they bank at, um, or if they went to a friend, ooh, that if it's a friend who did the notary for them, they could get that person could probably get in a lot of trouble.
SPEAKER_01Oh, they're gonna lose their little notary book, they're gonna take that shit. Yeah, and the stand, yeah, understand, bitch.
SPEAKER_00And that and see, this is exactly why I have Dodge I have dodge becoming a notary for years next because I'm like, I don't want this smoke. I do that there is so much responsibility in it. You could like if you do fuck something up, you're gonna be getting so much subpoena.
SPEAKER_01If you got a subpoena, I would be.
SPEAKER_00I'd be so mad I have to appear in court because some bitch some scamming ass bitches scamming their insurance company also scam me into signing into notarizing some shit. So this is exactly why this is exactly why I have just dodged, you know, becoming a notary for years now.
SPEAKER_01I'd be pissed too if I have to go get a subpoena, put on my goodwig, take a day off work. Just to answer some questions. Because one bitch lied.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. No, it's it's infuriating. So that that's the thing, is they they've definitely dragged some other people into this with them. The notary, their kids, Susan.
SPEAKER_01Right. And we'll see what the consequences will be. I mean, I'm sure Eddie, I don't think tax attorneys are allowed to do fraud, so. Eddie's definitely losing whatever tax attorney license you need and probably getting fired.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, well, and Wendy lost that little gig she was doing at that one university teacher. It was like a reality TV class or something that she was gonna do.
SPEAKER_01At Wesleyan. It's a great local college.
SPEAKER_00Well, because first the news came out this morning that she had been fired, but then the university they clarified later today, like in the same day, like a few hours later, they clarified that that she resigned. But also, like that couldn't mean that they gave her the option to resign before being fired.
SPEAKER_01They do that. They a lot of institutions I feel like will let you stay based and do that. Yeah, also like I'm sure Wendy was also just like, um, girl, yeah. I got a lot going on. And I don't think those yeah, students will be asking questions.
SPEAKER_00Right. Well, and also I could see um because I think from I I was reading something that somebody was saying, somebody who has experience, like, I guess, like working in the in the in the college university system, but um, what they were saying on Reddit is that basically a resignation is like instant, pretty much, versus officially firing someone or letting someone go from a position like that. It's a very it takes a while. Like you have it is a very it's a lengthy process. So it could be possible too that the university would very much prefer not even just for Wendy's sake of saving face, but just for themselves to get her out faster to kind of encourage her to resign.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Makes sense. And I'm sure they're like, oh, well, we'll pay you off with a semester, girl. Just resign now.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. So that could that could be part of it too.
SPEAKER_01Um I'm sure they don't want to be a part of that because then you're gonna have TMZ people walking around your camp and starting up shit.
SPEAKER_00Right. Well, I'm saying and like depending on how long this drags out, or if it did go to trial, imagine them getting mentioned all the time in this.
SPEAKER_01Right. Um, interview one of the students from that class. Right.
SPEAKER_00How do you feel that you missed out on Dr. Wendy because she wanted to do fraud?
SPEAKER_01No, there was a report from one of the students in an article. They were like, yeah, I had emailed her that morning. I was waiting for a response, and I was like, oh, I'm not getting it. Well, they didn't say that. They didn't say that. I'm sure they added that. I'm sure they thought it. And then they saw the news, they were like, oh.
SPEAKER_00Well, and so do you um I'm curious, do you think Bravo is like, like as we speak, do you think they're going back and like editing like some of the episodes for the season?
SPEAKER_01I mean, I'm sure it's like a thought. I don't know what they what are they gonna try to hide? Like the rings? Are they like on Wendy's side? That's what I'm thinking. Like, what would they edit for? Are they gonna edit her out?
SPEAKER_00Because they took her white swap episode off for no reason, which I think is dumb, but that's so I thought because I've been confused because I saw initially I saw reports saying that they were completely pulling that episode, but then I've seen other reports after that saying they were just pushing it back to the 20, like I think next week. I think it was supposed to come out, I think it was supposed to come out today, the the 14th, but they pushed it to the 21st.
SPEAKER_01Oh shit. Well, I want to cover that by the way. So expect an episode, note takers. Oh, that makes more sense then, because there was no reason to just like throw it out completely. Well, I haven't seen that update.
SPEAKER_00So because fucking E Erica Jane got like Erica Jane did what she did, and she got her own. One thing, yeah, like in the midst of all that craziness, like literally, like when she was probably at her most like toxic in terms of like a public, like in terms of a PR um perspective, they literally gave her a little spin-off miniseries like covering her Vegas residency. Um and I mean Jen Shaw, like, even after she was convicted um and found guilty and everything, like Bravo still like wanted to do a like Andy wanted to do a one-on-one watch open live special with her. The only reason they disinvited her from the reunion that season from Salt Lake City and from BravoCon is because she didn't give them what they wanted for the one-on-one.
SPEAKER_01Right? They were acting so shady about it and try to act like they had more high ground. Yeah, like they were like she because she lied and ended up pleading guilty. Like, girl, y'all knew she was lying.
SPEAKER_00Meanwhile, like I A, you guys knew she was lying the whole time, but also B, you guys were still like sending the invite to her after her conviction.
SPEAKER_01Uh you know Bravo, you know Bravo likes to be messy.
SPEAKER_00Well, that's the thing is Bravo, they cast sketchy, unethical characters and stuff, but they they love to pretend to have moral high ground. Basically, the only way like you really get in trouble at Bravo, I feel like at this point, um, is if you say something that directly pisses off Andy. So if you say something homophobic, or if you're a dumb bitch like Martina and say something about surrogacy. But also because like what's funny with the Martina and Julia thing is they were pressured to apologize for the surrogacy tweets, but not they like the no apology for the transphobic tweets. So I was like, oh, that's interesting, Andy.
SPEAKER_01Of course Andy cares about that.
SPEAKER_00Of course that's what he cares about. One thing, yeah. Of course, of course you don't care about the T-girls, Andy. You only care when it affects you, cause it because you decide to have a Jurassic Park baby. Two of them.
SPEAKER_01Oh my god. Do not say that.
SPEAKER_00Is it not a little bit Jurassic Park?
SPEAKER_01You know what, Mary Cosby? I'm not doing whatever you sound like Martina. You can't have it all. You can't have it all. I don't know why it tells me that that was her argument. You can't have it all. Like you don't have you don't have stronger feelings than that.
SPEAKER_00Like, what like I I feel like if you're gonna argue against surrogacy, at least argue like against the ethics of it and be and like I don't know, bring up the fucking points about like you know, women in poverty like being turned into incubators or something.
SPEAKER_01Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, at least bring shit like that. No, you can't have it all like bitch. That's that's not a point, that's not an argument.
SPEAKER_00Right. Well, she was an athlete, not a scholar.
SPEAKER_01Um an accomplished one at that, but I hope she knows how to serve divorces, like she knows how to serve a tennis wall.
SPEAKER_00Martina needs to be like Ju Julia's been playing that old lady's face.
SPEAKER_01Eating Adriana's pussy, sucking off Asian morticians. It's been a lot. Handing out coffee makers. Handing out Nespressos. Where's our Nespresso, Julia? I don't know.
SPEAKER_00I bet I bet she used Martina's money to pay for it, that evil bitch. Of course, of course, of course she did. Of course she did.
SPEAKER_01All her money goes to fucking goat diapers.
SPEAKER_00Imagine imagine your sign imagine your significant other cheat not only do they cheat on you, but they buy the side piece gifts using your money. That's crazy.
SPEAKER_01Oh my god. Do you think Eddie was buying the booty models gifts as Nicki Minaj goes? Is that why they're done? Because Eddie, Eddie and the booty models?
SPEAKER_00Maybe that's really maybe the 1.5 million isn't actually in in left in student loans. Maybe it's in booty model gifts.
SPEAKER_01Two last points to end the episode. I wonder what Nikki thinks about this. Because you know, Wendy was being all nosy up in her index cards. I mean, I know Nikki has a lot going on right now with uh, you know, Belcallis and some other legend news that we're not gonna get into because it might be fake. But I still would like to know Nikki's, I would still like to know Nikki's opinion on this.
SPEAKER_00Well, I saw I saw Candace was talking about Nikki just like the other day.
SPEAKER_01Oh Lord. Candace, why?
SPEAKER_00Candace was talking about Nikki. Yeah, Candace was talking about Nikki, basically saying that Nikki bullied her.
SPEAKER_01Well, I mean she's not she's not saying bitch or else and how much you sell, huh? Yeah.
SPEAKER_00But yeah, no, I mean, I think if Nikki has noticed, I mean I'm sure Nikki's noticed it, she's seen it. She's probably just like she's probably like, I knew it the moment she leaned over to read my cards. That she was doing fraud.
SPEAKER_01I've never Nikki's probably so focused on that bitch from Rock Nation. There's this one lady designated from Rock Nation. I don't know who that lady is, but Nikki's been talking about her for weeks. I think Nikki would be her ass.
SPEAKER_00Well, Wendy and not Wendy. And and uh Nikki was posting today about about about Amex charges she doesn't recognize. So that's what I meant by she got bigger fish to fro.
SPEAKER_01Wendy ain't making them charges.
SPEAKER_00Well I'd think she she might accuse Wendy and Eddie of of those of being responsible behind those charges using her Amex.
SPEAKER_01I mean, we know she loves to come after random Bravo liberties, like what she got with Garsa.
SPEAKER_00I genuinely if tomorrow morning if frickin' Nicki Minaj posted Wendy's mugshot on her Instagram story or on X and full on accused her of using her Amex cock uh fraudulently, I would not be shocked by that from Nicki Minaj.
SPEAKER_01And then in the next tweet, she's gonna bring up that bit from Rock Nation and say she was involved in it too.
SPEAKER_00And then the next and then and then the next tweet, she's gonna post a stat about herself. And then an AI photo of Jay-Z. In a pink wick. On a camel's body or something.
SPEAKER_01Okay, last question. Do you think this is the end of Wendy's reality TV journey? On Bravo or otherwise?
SPEAKER_00Most likely, yeah. I Wendy to me, I mean, we already talked about it in this episode, but I don't think Wendy's gonna come back. Wendy seems like the type that when some shit because I mean she seems to like care at least somewhat about her repres like her reputation, like her image and everything. Like, because I mean like she's definitely cut it loose in the show a little bit, especially for like a professor. But like, I think she cares about her reputation. She cares about her image and everything, and she wants to be seen a certain way. She definitely wants to be seen as better and above this. So to me, and also I don't think she wants to face like the music for this with the weather women, and and I don't blame her, I wouldn't want to. Um, because that'd be a hell of a fucking takedown season if she came back. So I think at absolute mo like, I think the like no reunion, not coming back next season. I think the absolute most we can expect from Wendy is maybe, and I say maybe a one-on-one watch what happens live interview with Andy Cohen with very controlled questions and answers because it's an ongoing case. Like, I think I think he would probably ask softball questions for the most part, and even the slightly spicier question, she would just basically say she can't answer that.
SPEAKER_01Probably. You know, I think that's probably the extent of Wendy will get. I don't even think she's popular or well-liked enough by the fandom to like even people want her to return to Potomac to do another show. And she probably is she's not thirsty enough to do a Carlos King show, you know? That's what I was gonna say. It's the end of the line for her.
SPEAKER_00That I was gonna say because if she was gonna continue doing reality TV after this, she would have to take a major step down um and do some like less cute reality TV.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, you know, either Own or Zeus. Or she can host on Zeus. I can I can see Wendy trying her best to host a reunion on Zeus to make them keep it classy. Actually, I would I would watch I would watch that on Zeus Network. Wendy trying to teach the girls how to use their words. Instruct your own.
SPEAKER_00Oh my god, well well well, cause Monique was calling Monique recently was saying Charm School needs to come back, let Wendy host it.
SPEAKER_01Right? Monique can host a Wendy can Wendy can be the Mickey Taylor. That's the way that's a good thing.
SPEAKER_00Oh my god, but I feel like Monique would be such a well, I'm not gonna say the C word, but Monique would be such a C word to Wendy on that set. Well, probably, probably. Well, on that note, on a real note, we are not facing charges, so we're free to go now that this episode is over. But thank y'all for listening to another episode of this fabulous podcast. Um, you know, this was this is like kind of a heavy topic with a lot going on, but I feel like we're yeah, I feel like we're able to discuss it and make it fun, dress it up a little, accessorize. Um, but if you want to keep up with us on our other platforms where you can watch Aiden's coverage on the Wendy Ocefo drama, you can watch that on TikTok. Um, we are at on a real note pod across all socials. We're on TikTok, X, Instagram, Blue Sky, YouTube, all over the place.
SPEAKER_01I'm international, bitch.
SPEAKER_00Oh, and thank y'all for listening. Have a lovely day.