Unwrapping Netflix's Fit for TV

No, Jillian Michael doesn't appear.

Aidan and Noah watch shows so you don’t have to and this week they dove headfirst into Netflix’s Fit for TV: The Reality of The Biggest Loser, the explosive three-part documentary exposing what really happened behind the scenes of America’s most infamous weight-loss competition.

We break down shocking moments like contestant Tracey’s near-fatal collapse, the producers’ obsession with bigger starting weights, and scandals so messy they could only get printed by the New York Post. Along the way, we talk about The Biggest Loser’s legacy: the lasting metabolic and emotional toll on contestants, the rise of body-shaming as entertainment, and whether an “ethical” weight-loss competition could ever exist. If you remember the show, love reality TV deep dives, or just want the tea then this is the episode for you.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:13

Hey note takers, this is Noah Aaron with the Honor Real Note Podcast.

SPEAKER_02 0:17

And this is Aiden, and I was too big for the Big Athletic reboot that's coming next year.

SPEAKER_00 0:25

They told us we need to gain a little more weight. Right.

SPEAKER_02 0:28

If a producer told me that, I'd be like, excuse me.

SPEAKER_00 0:32

Well, I mean, it seems possible because they told these bitches out. I know I gasped at that scene.

SPEAKER_02 0:36

I was like, oh my lord.

SPEAKER_00 0:39

But then so today we are going to be talking about the new Netflix docuseries, Fit for TV, the reality of the biggest loser, which I'm sure you all know exactly what the biggest loser is. I think unless you unless you're you were born last year. In which case, get get your ass off this podcast.

SPEAKER_02 0:58

Maybe some of them younger Gen Z. But I guess maybe. I didn't even realize it was on as late as like 2014-15, so they probably knew of its existence, but I think its heyday was like pre-2010-11.

SPEAKER_00 1:11

Right. Well, and I feel like that the biggest loser, even though it's way past its time necessarily, I feel like it's like one of those things that's recent enough and controversial enough that it probably has like a moment on TikTok every few months or a few times a year or something.

SPEAKER_02 1:27

Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:28

Where people are probably talking about how problematic it was.

SPEAKER_02 1:31

For sure. And also I feel like with the way society has developed, uh, people are the only people you're allowed to kind of bully in public anymore, and people don't call you something is a phobic along the line. I mean, you get it doesn't go. You get a little bit of it, you get a little bit of it, but it's it's not taken as seriously. That's why you'll see it kind of emerge.

SPEAKER_00 1:52

Right. Well, because you can kind of get cancelled for being fat phobic, but the thing is, like, you're not gonna you know, your university ain't gonna rescind your offer, like, you're not gonna lose your job. Like, you know, like it's not gonna be as serious as the other phobics.

SPEAKER_02 2:06

Right. Unless you work for real health or something, then it's like Right, right.

SPEAKER_00 2:14

Well, I mean, and then even the even then you'll end up just getting some weird health weight, like some Dr. Ozash show funded by a bunch of Republicans.

SPEAKER_02 2:23

Right, potentially. But you know, biggest loser, I feel like, is synonymous with the weight loss genre. It it is the weight loss show. As they explained on the documentary, it was the one that got licensed internationally to all these other versions, which I'm very curious about some of the starting weights of what would be considered fat. Because some people there's probably some countries where they wouldn't even be anywhere close near to be on the show in the US. But I I found that interesting. Like, I kind of want to see what these international versions look like, but right. Well, I mean I guess it was a brand. I never realized they had all these other licensed things, like cookbooks and girls and whatnot.

SPEAKER_00 2:58

I I about died. I had never seen that clip of Jillian with the damn minions. I was like, excuse me, the minions. But yeah, I guess as far as the biggest loser goes, I mean, it was a huge show. Um, I kind of wanted to start with talking about just our before we kind of get into the docuseries, talking about our kind of individual experience with the biggest loser and our knowledge of it. Since I mean, we did, you know, we were growing up in our formative years, like while this show was in its heyday and while the show was in its kind of peak relevance and whatnot. And I definitely remember this is one of those, my family growing up, you know, me and my parents, my siblings, we watched a lot of the competition shows. Like we would like the early seasons of like American Idol, we would like watch. We watched The Biggest Loser. Um, you know, we were we were in our we were in our bag with that shit. We loved watching people being abused on TV.

SPEAKER_02 3:52

See, I had a reality TV kind of forward family, like American Idol was definitely, you know, entertainment television. We we was at the TV, we was voted. But biggest loser, I feel like we'd all watch like a lot, or maybe it would be someone on in the background. I I I don't know. But I do have like random memories of seeing like big people on like judges' scales on either side of them being weighed. And I would be confused as a kid, like, why are they on these giant scales?

SPEAKER_00 4:17

Right.

SPEAKER_02 4:18

And I was wondering is this what's gonna happen when I'm gonna tell someone who's gonna wave me on like a judge's scale with some other teams? But I guess I was intrigued by the competition aspect. But there was a lot of like what's going on here.

SPEAKER_00 4:30

Right. And I mean those scales literally look like livestock scales. Like what you see, like I know, like like what you see them put like cows and shit up.

SPEAKER_02 4:38

I know, but also it's just like who came up with that, that dramatic thing for TV? No, like one side will raise and go down, like it's kind of genius for the visual effect, but also like what evil bitch.

SPEAKER_00 4:49

Well, and I think that's like pretty much every aspect of this show could be described as like what evil bitch came up with this? Because I mean, like, from the scale from the scale, from the way that like they would have to take their shirts off, like for those early weigh-ins when they're at their heaviest, to to the fucking temptations and to the and like the challenges, you know, I feel like that's one thing about these shows that I never get as far as like because like it's a it's a similar thing with like America's next top model, where like there's the challenges on here, like they have like they're obviously about fitness and whatnot, and like the challenges of America's ex top model were about modeling, but I I feel like as the show, as both of those shows kind of proceeded, there were more and more of like it kind of fits into like the theme of the show, but also like a lot of it is just about like humiliating and degrading, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:42

Yeah, oh yeah, no, for sure. I think that's a great comparison with top model, especially with the challenges. It's like vote for stock, vote for outrage, not what you will normally do. Right. People would normally be trying to build like healthier long-term habits for you to throw out your life, but the biggest loser wants you know growth and progression on the show within the near term. So they can take more liberties, they can also like build in the you know the embarrassment aspect of it. I know people on the documentary very blatant and open, like, you know, people they wanted to see fat people falling, they wanted to get that thrown in with mixed in with the you know the uplifting side of things. So you'll get somebody falling off a treadmill, you'll get it slowed down. They have that one thing where like that one girl jumped and then they have the camera all shake around, like she calls an earthquake.

SPEAKER_00 6:25

That was so mean.

SPEAKER_02 6:26

I was like, oh damn. I mean on the show for two episodes, they gave me some shit like that.

SPEAKER_00 6:31

That's the shit where it's like it's like okay, you can have them do like a little marathon run, but then like they're like, oh, but they have to run across a slip and slide to ensure that we get a shot of like some fat people falling.

SPEAKER_02 6:42

Right? You know that they got no damn balance. You should made them do a balance class. Well, I mean, I don't know. Maybe they did do challenges like sports, but I I would be entertained by that. Like, people at similar fitness levels, like, let's have a race. Who's gonna want to race?

SPEAKER_00 6:56

Well, that's what I'm saying, because I mean, like, some of those like ones, like, even if you had a skinny person doing it, they're gonna look ridiculous and silly and everything.

SPEAKER_02 7:04

But non-food challenges and like temptation-based ones seemed to really insulting.

SPEAKER_00 7:11

Yeah. Oh, yeah, for sure. Where it was just like it was kind of pushing, and they talk about in the documentary, like kind of pushing this um, this stereotype that like if some like an overweight person like literally cannot physically like control themselves around food. Like, if you have them walk past a buffet table, they're gonna like unhinge their jaw and swallow the whole table or something. You know, like some fucking cartoon character. That seemed to be like what they wanted to push.

SPEAKER_02 7:36

Oh yeah. Oh, for sure. They were always kind of I don't know. The show in itself was very early 2000s. I mean, if you watch the dark side of reality TV, I remember that episode we did on that series. It's kind of the same, the same tone and approach here. I wouldn't be surprised if it was the same. Well, I think Netflix probably, I mean, it could be the same production team, and Netflix just bought it, but yeah, it's kind of the same approach. You get some producers, you'll get some contestants, kind of reflecting on how truly bad it was and how poorly it aged. So I think on one hand, society has evolved. That's like one piece of the puzzle's kind of there. But a lot of it's like standard early 2000s shock jock and diet culture.

unknown 8:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:18

You know, kind of just built in. Like the the whole aspect of the show, the fact that people want to watch it is centered around diet culture, like, you know, weight loss and fatness being seen as something to be fixed.

SPEAKER_00 8:30

Right. When I feel like I feel like most people, I feel like most people like they're not watch, they're not necessarily watching this for any any good reason, you know, in terms of because like people talk about like the producers and stuff talk about like, oh, the show was inspiring. This was not inspiring people. But I feel like ultimately most people either watch this A because they wanted to just like laugh at you know, fat people struggling with weight loss and like doing these things. Um or B, they wanted to like watch it to like further it's kind of like it's kind of like I mean if you have like an eating disorder or body dysmorphia or like any kind of like toxic relationship with your weight or your body or dieting or whatever, it's kind of like you intentionally expose yourself to something like this that's triggering and toxic as fuck, and like further kind of engulf yourself in it. So I feel like nobody was watching the show, or very few people were probably watching the show for like good reasons. Oh yeah, myself included my family included, we were watching it just for like the gag, you know.

SPEAKER_02 9:36

Not that I watched it if there's a drag though.

SPEAKER_00 9:39

What I feel like the thing is, is my my family in general, like my extended family and everything, there are a lot of like big people in my family. Um and one thing is the the most like mean, fat phobic people, like the people who make the meanest, most fat phobic comments are people who are either like currently fat or formerly fat. One thing, like that, like especially I think especially bitches that like previously were fat and like lost a lot of weight, like they will be nasty and be mean. They are so they like it's it's very much a like, well, I did it. So I'm gonna I'm gonna bully this bitch now that's not doing it.

SPEAKER_02 10:18

It's given the boomers like, well, we had it easy. Now flop the rest.

SPEAKER_00 10:23

Right.

SPEAKER_02 10:24

But I mean, I could see how it would inspire like some overweight people who really feel like they had no chance, no other option. Because in theory, it does seem nice. Like, I see why people see it as like an escape and an opportunity. Like, I don't want to go to work, especially if they have like some shitty regular ass job, and really maybe no time to go to the gym or do all that, or they have kids to run after, or they're too embarrassed to go to the gym. So an environment like this where everyone's kind of struggling feels like rewarding or something that they can do. Like, I see why people wanted to be on the show, especially the time frame. It's not like being on TV was like I don't know. I feel like just getting some public attention with social media is much easier now. Back then, I feel like being cash for a TV show was kind of like an accomplishment. It was like a you know, a fun little thing.

SPEAKER_00 11:10

Well, yeah, it was like being it was like being on an early season of Survivor or something where it kind of like you could like you could you could kind of become like a little bit of like a like an actual D-less celebrity from that and get some and go and go to like have some cool experiences.

SPEAKER_02 11:23

Like those two sisters went on their little speaking tour after they won the show. Like you could get things like that, especially because you people were watching these shows. But I'm not sure that that people were getting brand deals, but maybe somewhere. Those sisters seemed to make out pretty well. But I don't think anybody else did.

SPEAKER_00 11:38

I mean, I wouldn't be surprised. I mean, you have fucking Jared the Subway pedophile, like getting becoming becoming the mascot of that brand just because he lost a bunch of weight.

SPEAKER_02 11:46

That's true. Maybe they've got like the deals or something.

SPEAKER_00 11:50

Yeah, well, because the thing is too at that time, people loved like transformation shows, like a weight loss show, a makeover show, uh fucking bridal plastic. Yeah, home makeover. People love I think people people people love to see some tragic shit and like and like watch it get kind of like have people like kind of put some lipstick on it. Like they love that.

unknown 12:16

I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 12:16

I was definitely a reality TV formula for the longest time.

unknown 12:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:20

And I was part of it too. I loved me some trading spaces, boys versus girls, the little junior version. Okay. I was living for it.

SPEAKER_00 12:28

I loved I loved what not to wear.

SPEAKER_02 12:31

Of course you're gay ass, dude.

SPEAKER_00 12:33

Well, and they were mean on that show too, when they would put bitches in the fucking when they put bitches up on the on the on the thing in in fucking Times Square and have people say like, oh, they like say how old they look.

SPEAKER_02 12:44

Oh, that would set me off. But that just reminded me of a say yes to the dress episode that was just audited my house. And one girl said one of her bridesmaids looked like a linebacker. I was like, that's not nice.

SPEAKER_00 12:55

That's crazy. They needed her on Bridezilla. See?

SPEAKER_02 13:02

Honestly, it might have been Bridezella. I think it was say yes to the dress, but it could have been.

SPEAKER_00 13:08

She should have been on Bridezilla. She was on the wrong show. Well, oh my god, well there's still time. Should we get into the actual content of the docuseries? Because there's there's quite a bit to unpack here.

SPEAKER_02 13:21

Yeah, no, it is three episodes over on Netflix, about 40-ish minutes each. So quick watch.

SPEAKER_00 13:27

A little over three hours of content. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:29

Quick watch, but yeah, let's get into the content. Overall, I will say my opinion was not shocked. Nothing. It was pretty standard. Like, I wasn't overly surprised. I mean, I was surprised by a little because I hadn't really watched the show like that. But from a macro perspective, it wasn't anything like a reality TV shenanigans that I wasn't expecting. Right. I think it could have been way worse and way messier.

SPEAKER_00 13:50

Right. I was I was way more shocked by some of the stuff we learned about the fucking Who Wants to Marry a Millionaire, Joe Millionaire, where the fuck that show was.

SPEAKER_02 13:58

Oh yeah, no, that was that gagged me.

SPEAKER_00 14:01

But this well part of it is I I think part of it is because I watched the show with my family, you know, when it was at its peak. And because like the thing is, like, there have actually been a lot of fucking exposes, and they even talked about some of it here, like the New York Times article and stuff. Like there have been there have been a lot of exposes about the biggest loser over the year. This is like this is like far from the first. And ultimately there wasn't really well thing, yeah, there wasn't really much in here that was new. Like pretty much everything they talked about, it was almost like this docuseries. I think this docuseries, if if you like know nothing about like the controversies and the shenanigans and the biggest loser, this docuseries is perfect because it kind of instead of like bringing new information to the table, it kind of just takes all of the controversies and all of the exposés and all the stuff that's come out like over the years, like over the last fucking like 20 years or whatever, and it kind of puts it all into like one nice little two-hour in something box. And it kind of and it also kind of brings in some of the people that lived it and experienced it and gives you their perspectives. So I feel like if you don't know any of this information already, it's great. But if you already have like seen a lot of the biggest loser exposes, like you're probably not gonna learn anything new here.

SPEAKER_02 15:21

You know, if you're a biggest losers fan, it's probably regurgitated information from the subreddit you probably frequently still. But if you're like me that you like reality TV, don't really know the biggest loser, it'll fill in some gaps, give it some context. If you're not a big reality TV fan, don't really know what the biggest loser is, but you know, you're just vaguely interested. I think it'll be pretty interesting. Like it it won't be a waste of time. But for me, like learning some of the specifics that were new were kind of wild. Like mainly just seeing the challenges, getting the visuals, or seeing people's experiences. I guess the Tracy situation, obviously, I had never seen that. I had figured something of that level had happened on the show just because of like the level of exertion. But one making people run a mile just like off-rip is already crazy. Not to mention like morbidly obese people. But like, did they let them stretch? Did they tell them about pacing? Nothing. And she went for it right away. Like, she was front ran. And they had to carry her over by the line, she took an airlift and out. I was like, oh, this is serious. Like, no vitals, kidney shutdown. I'm like, oh, this for a shot? Yeah, I wanted to update it. Right. What might be a lot of things? And it was probably hot as hell on that beach, too. Uh uh, I don't see no one patients, or I don't know. Like I someone who watches the challenge, like they were doing things very similar to what they do on the challenge, and the challenge has very fit and tight people.

SPEAKER_00 16:39

Well, I think people that are literally like training to be on the show.

SPEAKER_02 16:44

Like, I always I guess I always thought the biggest loser challenges. Well, I didn't think they had challenges like that. I thought it was just like shit in the gym. I thought it was like, hey, you're running the treadmill, which which I think a lot of it was, but I don't know they're doing all this extra outside shit. Like I thought it was just gym sessions with Jilly and the buck.

SPEAKER_00 17:00

Well, I mean, honestly, in general, what's I think most shocking to me is that they didn't kill someone over the years, like over the 18 seasons or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 17:08

Because I mean Trace Tracy claimed she died for a little bit, so like kind of rarely, but okay.

SPEAKER_00 17:14

Well, she came back like Jesus, so I mean, good for her, but you're such a mess. But I'm just saying though, it like it genuinely shocks me that they didn't like actually like full-on like kill someone because they had so many crazy challenges, obviously, like where they would have these people that are like severely overweight and out of shape and not in the best like health condition, like not like their bodies are physically not in the best condition. And they would have them do like the kind of shit that professional athletes or like military people training for like the military would do, and even the stuff like not even just like those outside challenges, but the stuff in the gym, like having them like go on those treadmills until they were like ready to pass out their puke, or like just like having them work out for like six hours a day or whatever, you know, it's like it's shock, and like especially on top of all that, the fact that you're starving them and like you're letting them only have 800 calories in a day and you're putting them on caffeine pills. Like, it is shocking to me. It is like a miracle that they didn't kill someone, right?

SPEAKER_02 18:17

Honestly, when you list it all out like that, yeah. I mean, maybe they contributed to some long-term complications, but you're right, it is surprising.

SPEAKER_00 18:28

Yeah, like it's it's truly a it's truly a blessing that nobody died. Um and I think I honestly I think the thing that shocks me the most though about like in terms of the Continent's docuseries was when Tracy was talking about getting physical hate mails, like, oh my god, it's the Jerry Manty effect. She got a that's like that, and you and I have talked about this, how crazy that shit is to like it because it's one thing to get nasty comments on social media or like rude DMs or whatever, but to have somebody write you a letter like to have somebody like get a piece of paper, right? To get a piece of paper, right? Fuck you, cunt. I hope you die on it, and then like mail it to you, pay for it, pay for a stamp.

SPEAKER_02 19:08

You can go buy stamps, go look around their house, open up that drawer looking for stamps. That's insane to me. That's not true of our reality show. But but you get a hate man.

SPEAKER_00 19:26

That's like, yeah, imagine you imagine you would like give a letter with like a like a cute little like puppy stamp or something on it, and then you open it up and and it's a death threat. Like that's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 19:36

That's it. I actually do have a question for you. So how when did when when were they voting people out? I thought it was strictly based off of weight loss. I'm seeing survivor parchment votes. So first we see it with Joelle and her um friend Carla. Which those votes were so shady, you would see people write like Joelle and Carla and be like, so sorry for you, and then put it out of Carla.

SPEAKER_00 19:55

I mean, what makes you and be like, only Carla's next to Carla's name.

SPEAKER_02 20:00

Right? Although write um Joel's name really big and then Carla's really small. People are making it very clear. Like, if we could only vote on one of you, we would. But also, they voted on um, what's her name? Teresa? Not even his name, that's Teresa. Tracy, Tracy.

SPEAKER_00 20:16

Tracy.

SPEAKER_02 20:17

But she she was being she thought she was she liked to be the villain that enjoyed it to kind of stay in the house. But yeah, how did the voting work? Because they didn't really explain that, and I was kind of confused.

SPEAKER_00 20:28

Well, I think part I from what I can remember, because part of a lot of it was like was like weight loss, because like I think if you like the weight loss and everything, like you could be like safe, you could be like at risk for elimination.

SPEAKER_02 20:41

So like the lowest two weight loss, people would probably be bottom two, and then the rest are voting them out, or something like that.

SPEAKER_00 20:46

Yeah, like I it a lot of my memories of the show are kind of vague, but I remember it was some shit like that where because I remember like um it was weird shit because like people would do stuff where like I remember it would be like um like during a temptation there might be um like a shit ton of cupcakes or something, and if you want, you can eat the cupcakes until you find like uh like a special like reward or something. Like, and it could be like immunity or it could be an immunity idol. One thing, yeah, like you could find like a reward in the cupcakes, but it's kind of like a risk because you like you have to pick which cupcake you're and you could eat like 12 cupcakes and completely fuck up your calorie deficit from the whole. No, I yeah, you had to eat, yeah, you had to eat.

SPEAKER_02 21:35

Oh damn. Uh that's kind of fucked for this kind of show.

SPEAKER_00 21:39

I think I remember like some guy that Jillian went fuck like Jillian went fucking nuclear on him because he was on her team and he ate like 13 cupcakes or something. 13 is crazy. Nothing he ate like 13 cupcakes and like didn't get anything. And she's like, she's like, You've really put yourself in a fucking situation.

SPEAKER_02 21:58

I wonder how they would react if he tried to. If you try to throw it up right there, like would they encourage that? Would they air that?

SPEAKER_00 22:04

I mean, it seems like they would. I mean, the thing is, I feel like they would air it, but they wouldn't they would edit it in a way that it doesn't like they wouldn't like make it look like he like made himself throw up. They would just make it look like he threw up.

SPEAKER_02 22:15

You're you're right. That's exactly how they do it.

SPEAKER_00 22:18

That's the same. They they wouldn't show the part where he's sticking his finger down his throat to make it happen.

SPEAKER_02 22:22

Or when he's asking Jillian for approval, allegedly.

SPEAKER_00 22:26

Okay. I mean she'd probably say she'd probably say yes, especially if it were like the day before weighing.

SPEAKER_02 22:33

Like I'm not fucking losing.

SPEAKER_00 22:35

She'd be like, we need you dehydrated as fuck today.

SPEAKER_02 22:39

Yeah, I feel like Jillian did not like to lose. She gives me that energy.

SPEAKER_00 22:43

Oh, she's very competitive. Yeah. She um although one thing I will say while this one and Jillian's reaction to this, she has been pissed about this documentary. Oh, she's mad. She's threatening to sue. She's um Netflix? Apparently her and the executive producers in the biggest loser are talking about making their their own documentary. She's doing interviews about it. She's mad, mad. She's pissed.

SPEAKER_02 23:11

That's what's the reason to be mad. Well, if you wanted to have your side, you should have said something. I mean, they really avoid mentioning it until right at the end we flash up. Zillian Michaels declined to participate. I bet they could have led with that. Like obviously, she's not fucking here after three episodes. I don't know if you're not going to be able to do that.

SPEAKER_00 23:29

She was smarter than Bob because Bob showed up and just looked like a fucking clown. Um, which I'm I'm really happy that. I mean, I'm happy that Bob kind of got shit. Like that he that they didn't like make him necessarily look innocent in this.

SPEAKER_02 23:46

That they kind of, you know, which I'm sure what he thought would happen.

SPEAKER_00 23:50

One thing, yeah. No, I think that's what they always do. Like, it's it's just like the fucking the Kid Nation, the producer from Kid Nation. She's just gonna be able to do that. That thought that thought she was gonna go on the dark side of reality TV and get some kind of redemption. They got hurt for two shows. They got hurt for two shows.

SPEAKER_02 24:04

They pulled that bitch twice.

SPEAKER_00 24:06

That's like, yeah, they got hurt twice. It just set it just settings me that this keeps happening, though, because there have been so many of these reality TV exposes over the last couple years, and they keep getting like producers and um cast members and stuff to come out and like record, and then they always end up looking terrible. But um, I'm I'm glad that Bob Harper kind of looked like an asshole on this to an extent. Because I feel like over the years, because the thing is he was he was not innocent, he was an asshole too on the show. But I feel like because Gillian was so like super villain mean, he always got labeled as like the nice one. He was like the nice traitor.

SPEAKER_02 24:43

He was the polo, he was the polo Abdullah.

SPEAKER_00 24:45

Well, I think yeah, he was always labeled as like the nice one because she was just so over-the-top nasty.

SPEAKER_02 24:50

Um, it didn't help his brand because I don't know who he was until he went on Traders, but I've always known Jillian Michael's name.

SPEAKER_00 24:58

Right. Well, I feel like with Bob Harper, I and you know, I'm gonna say that.

SPEAKER_02 25:02

And like when people would make fun of you as a fat person, they say you need Jillian Michael, they're Jenny Craig. They would never say Bob Harper.

SPEAKER_00 25:10

One thing I will say about Bob Harper is I think he's a misogynist, first of all. I think he's a misogynist. I believe that.

SPEAKER_02 25:17

I believe that.

SPEAKER_00 25:18

I I mean the the thing is is Gillian may have been terrible, but she at least bullied everybody. He like the thing is Bob only got bucked like that with women. Um and honestly, I feel like Bob Harper is one of those people that like over the years has kind of hid behind, like, oh, I'm just a little queenie gay guy. Um I see that. And it's and the thing is, is so many of these gay men do get away with like rampant misogyny, problematic behavior and stuff because they hide behind that.

SPEAKER_02 25:50

And he always just in general seems to have like this self-righteousness or self-importance that doesn't seem like that's how I he came across to me on traitors and like just like media about the show, not necessarily on the show, but his reaction to it. For somebody who, for all intents and purposes, wasn't that important to the overall edit and storyline of that season. So I was always like, huh. And then this kind of just confirmed that seeing him in another environment. Because I just overall get, you know, a bit, I don't know, probably just being a mediocre gay with a fitness career and body probably put him on a pedestal, especially in the 2000s in WiiHow, where he probably operated, but just seems to have the self-importance and seems overall mad that he's not like the star like Jillian was. Like that's ultimately a lot of what I got from this documentary.

SPEAKER_00 26:35

Well, I mean, what one thing you have to understand about Bob is he's best friends with Andy Cohen, so that should tell you a lot.

SPEAKER_02 26:40

Oh, that explains a lot. That's how it probably got on the damn fucking trader show then. I'm wondering, like, who cares about this man? Why didn't they get Jillian Michaels?

SPEAKER_03 26:50

Or get Jenny Craig.

SPEAKER_02 26:50

Well, Jenny Craig probably don't need to do that. I don't even think she's a celebrity.

SPEAKER_00 26:53

I think she's just a business woman. No, she she he is like longtime besties, like he runs in that like crowd of like the Andy Coins and whatnot.

SPEAKER_02 27:02

Oh Lord. So I'm sure a lot of Red Boys have stories about him, huh? Allegedly, allegedly, allegedly.

SPEAKER_00 27:08

Probably, probably.

SPEAKER_02 27:09

Our non-existent legal team is going crazy with the allegedly, but as Wendy like to say.

SPEAKER_00 27:14

Yeah, I mean, if anything, he probably paid them to top him, but um, anyway.

SPEAKER_02 27:18

Well.

SPEAKER_00 27:20

But yeah, so I'm not gonna.

SPEAKER_02 27:23

I'm glad that he got whacked a little. You go, you go.

SPEAKER_00 27:26

Oh no, I'm just I'm just saying, I'm I'm glad that he got whacked a little in this. Me too.

SPEAKER_02 27:31

I was just like, okay. But yeah, I feel like in terms of everyone there, Bob came across pretty annoying. I've heard the doctor kind of came across 50-50. What's his name? Dr. Heisinger? Heisinger He came across like he like there were some more decisions he wanted to make, and overall didn't like the direction of the show. But seems like he stuck around for a minute. So I don't know, like I think part of him is complicit.

SPEAKER_03 27:55

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 27:56

But I think he had good intentions at heart. And then JD Roth came off like completely neutral, but probably as evil as any executive producer. Also, I did not know he was involved in the biggest loser. I'm I'm like, before they even introduce his name, I'm like JD Roth, because I recognize him from Endurance as the host of Endurance, which was aired on Discovery Kids as kind of like a kid's competition show with Survivor, except the eliminations were rock, paper, scissors. If you don't know about endurance, I highly recommend it. I loved it as a kid. It was like that and Total Drama Island were my foray into the competition reality genre, but I did not know he was involved in this. He's really like reality TV royalty, kind of you know, not not Mark Burnett and the Colin level, but biggest loser in endurance, they're they're up there.

SPEAKER_00 28:40

Yeah, he's got his own he's got his own little what a lane he's he's made himself. Yeah. What I think is the farmerity TV. Right. Well they I don't think I don't think that to I don't think you can be an executive producer in the reality TV world and be like fully like ethically and morally clear. Like I just don't think it's possible. I think like because I feel like especially at this point, or especially like just in general, I feel like reality TV is just so exploitative that I just I don't think you can necessarily be like the most I'm not saying like I'm not saying they're all a bunch of monsters, but I don't think that you can be the most like ethically or morally sounds like that is inherently you know quite morally dubious if you will. Nothing you're gonna have to do some shitty things to succeed in that.

SPEAKER_02 29:30

I will say in his defense, we've we've never heard shit about endurance. Nobody drank bleach on endurance. Like I've never heard any of them kids mutter like a bad thing. So either follow the rules or he has a good he seems to have a good track record in his favor.

SPEAKER_00 29:46

Yeah. I I get that.

SPEAKER_02 29:51

Also, I did not know Carolyn Rea hosted the show. I'm like, why is the bitch from Sabrina the Teenage Witch? Which I know she has a more established career than that, but that's where I know her from. So if we watch the case, that's where I know her from. But I don't think that's the lady from Sabrina.

SPEAKER_00 30:05

And the funny thing is, even though I'm pr I feel pretty confident that me and my family watched like her season's hosting The Biggest Loser, I only ever remember Alice and Sweeney as the host.

SPEAKER_02 30:14

I'm screaming. Well, apparently uh Carol Raya hosted the first three seasons, and Alice and Sweeney hosted the rest. Which I didn't realize that was the host until like I'm the coolest random white woman, though. She's like the nutritionist on the show. Like, why is she talking? And then it was episode three. I was like, oh, that's Alice and Sweeney. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 30:31

She c she kind of does look like a nutritionist.

SPEAKER_02 30:34

Um I've lost the weight. I don't know. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 30:41

Well, and you know what's funny is that.

SPEAKER_02 30:43

Why didn't Karen deal with it?

SPEAKER_00 30:45

Well, I will immediately recognize her every time I see her, not purely because of the biggest loser, but because she when my mom, when I was a kid, my mom was like super into her soap operas when I was a kid. And she would watch Days of Our Lives, and Allison Sweeney, she was like the bitch on that show. She was she was like the steaming bitch that was always Yeah, she was always plotting on someone's man or something on that show. Like she and always getting slapped across the face for. So I remember her from that show more than the biggest loser.

SPEAKER_01 31:16

It seems like she knows her life in terms of entertainment. Yeah, sweeney.

SPEAKER_00 31:23

I feel like she kind of came off good in this docuseries, but I also feel like her role in the original series like wasn't it was never gonna be something I think as scrutiny. Well, because she's just a host. She's probably really biscuits.

SPEAKER_02 31:41

She's not training, give instructions, she's not the medical doctor, she's not a producer.

unknown 31:45

She's a good idea.

SPEAKER_00 31:47

Really the absolute thing.

SPEAKER_02 31:48

Looks like the lady from um Reba on Ultimatum Queer Labs. She's there.

SPEAKER_00 31:53

What thing, yeah, it's like really the absolute worst thing you can kind of accuse her of is profiting off of it, off of like the shenanigans. Like that's really the worst you can like kind of throw at her.

SPEAKER_02 32:04

But she was an employee, so as Coco Jones would say. I wasn't okay.

SPEAKER_00 32:12

Um then what um what how did you feel about especially because I guess you these are like the contestants, former contestants they interviewed for this. They're not ones that you'd be familiar with because you didn't watch the show, but what did you think about them? I thought it was interesting that we got a got a mix of perspectives in terms of like how they felt about the show.

SPEAKER_02 32:33

Mm-hmm. Yeah, I liked just getting the different just viewpoints and how they all kind of settle with it. I'm I'm gonna struggle with the names. One guy, I'm gonna say his name is Matt, if that's not his name. But he had like the red shirt on. And he kind of was at peace with it. He didn't seem to blame the show. He was like, I would probably fuck my metabolism already. Kind of going up and down with my weight. But I think like in general, the men seem to have a more it is what it is kind of perspective about it, or like view on it. And I think that's probably just on a macro level, I think weight impacts a man much differently than it does a woman. So I think it was probably just a bigger part of their lives as well, and also just being in the public eye as a woman probably brought up more scrutiny. Like, I I don't think a man would have gotten you know the edit Tracy maybe have gotten or gotten the extra hate mail or like the all that. So I think that plays a part of it. But I mean, Tracy seems funny as fuck. I'm so I'm not gonna lie. She's like, well, I wanted to stay on the show, so I'm gonna start some drama. I respect it, but she she seemed to be like very open, very you know, gregarious.

SPEAKER_03 33:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:34

Joella annoyed me looking back onto the show. She seemed to be okay now, and she's she's she's ditter now, she's kept the weight off.

SPEAKER_00 33:43

I don't know if she as Wendy Willis is gonna say cheated or not, but well no, because she did I think she did, she didn't like already say it, but she basically because she said made it when they were kind of talking about near the end of the th final episode, when they were kind of talking about Auzempic, she did make a comment about how like this is like the one thing that's like yielded really good results, or like whatever. So I think she was basically saying that she's all that she's on some kind of thing.

SPEAKER_02 34:09

She was talking about how it got rid of like the food noise and stuff, which is like one of the common talking points I see. So you know, maybe she's succeeded with that. But she at least looked in for it. They were they were at a various amount of levels. I thought the NYPD lady was funny with her little leopard chair that she was filming it.

SPEAKER_00 34:25

Right. She's a good time.

SPEAKER_02 34:26

She's kind of a good over-the-top person. Like, I would have I think I would have enjoyed watching her on the show losing weight. Yeah, I'd be like, I just enjoyed the New Yorkers of all kinds on reality TV. So I'm a bit of a home show in that way.

SPEAKER_00 34:39

Right. Well, what I what I kind of liked is that we got the range of like, because we had we had people like her who basically like to some degree were kind of like their kind of opinion on it was like, arrest everyone involved now. This is a bullshit.

SPEAKER_02 34:51

Oh yeah, they wanted their money. They ran, they were, they were the ones that went to the post, her and Joella.

SPEAKER_00 34:56

That's thing. Yeah, you had some that were clearly, like, clearly they were not like they had a lot of maybe anger and I think justified towards the show and everything. Um, and then you had some that went as far as like with the sisters. The one one of them said that she named her child Harper after Bob. I was like, that's some Stockholm syndrome shit.

SPEAKER_02 35:14

Right? But I mean they succeeded from it the most. So I think it's like I think less Stockholm syndrome and more like survivorship bias clip for me. So it's great and I love it. And they got to appear on the show as hosts, they got to travel the world.

SPEAKER_00 35:29

Yeah, I just feel like to me, the people who did keep the weight off, to me, I don't feel like they succeeded because of their experience in the show. I feel like they succeeded in spite of it.

SPEAKER_02 35:41

That makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 35:43

Because I feel like the thing is, it's just like and I think that there's been so much discussion and studies on this over the year, but like the method of weight loss on the show of just like extreme exercise and extreme calorie restriction. You know, I think we're all I think as a side side, at least we're mostly pretty aware that that is not a good long-term solution for weight loss. Like, I mean, I feel like most people now are pretty aware of the fact that like if you do that, you're probably just gonna gain the weight back.

SPEAKER_02 36:11

Right? And like when you go back to your regular life, it's not gonna be like this with Jillian Michaels training you, and yeah. I guess I mean I don't know how the food catering works, but I'm assuming they can't just go to McDonald's and this was pre-door dash. So I'm assuming they set that shit up, and you gotta go to work and be stressed out and do whatever you do for a living and deal with the temptation at McDonald's. Uh, it's just harder in the room.

SPEAKER_00 36:34

Well, and just and just the thing where it's like they have the expectation to like burn 6,000 calories a day and essentially achieve that by working out for five or six hours a day. No, like nobody in real life does that. Like, unless you're like a fucking professional athlete, maybe. Even like professional athletes, I don't think, do that much.

SPEAKER_02 36:54

Yeah, I know because they have to like train regards, it's important for them. So that's a great point because they also come with this expectations like, oh, I can lose 12 pounds in a week when in real life, when you go back to you know what you can reasonably do, it might be two or three. And how do you deal with that adjust and mental, like it's very mental in the long term, and and there clearly was no like transition or prep for kind of going back into the real world to how to maintain the weight, it seems like. Which is something I thought they would address more, like, oh, we weren't prepped for the real world or dealing with the aftermath. But I wasn't really brought up at all, so I don't know. I feel like reality shows like a lot of people making a big thing about aftercare and therapy, which for something like this would have been very nice to have for contestants, right? But also just like little checkups. I guess they didn't have Joella kind of say that she was ignored when she asked for medical advice, and then Dr. Heisinger ignored um refuted that and said that she she had never reached out, so who knows what the truth was there, but I don't feel like as an institution they could have done more with the aftercare, but that is ubiquitous across the industry of reality TV as a whole. Thus she went in the show.

SPEAKER_00 38:02

One, what was that other show we covered? Was it half tenteen?

SPEAKER_02 38:05

A quarter tenteen.

SPEAKER_00 38:07

Quarter tenteen, yeah. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_02 38:09

Actually, I mentioned that in my notes because I was like, that is an example of how to do it ethically, but that show was boring. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:15

Right. Well, because I I mean, like that show, they followed those kids over the course of like several years, you know. It's like they didn't just they didn't just pop into their life, do all this crazy shit, and then kind of ditch them and leave be like, okay, have fun, good luck. Um so I mean that's like ultimately, like realistically, that's what should be done, but obviously we're never gonna do that for this. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:36

Um I mean, if that was if that if you wanted to do it ethically or talk about how to do it ethically, I think that show addresses it. But it's just that shell was not the most entertaining. Well, I think yeah, did it have like a competitive atmosphere kind of like it was structured uniquely.

SPEAKER_00 38:52

Well, and I think if you turn I think if you turn weight loss into a competition between people, like that that that's that already in and of itself is unethical. So I mean, you're already starting on that point there. What I think the competition aspect is part of what just made it so yeah toxic, because I mean, like, when you look at it, especially when you when you look at like because I think as you're like telling a story on a reality show, like you want to see like the weight loss over the season get more and more dramatic. But realistically speaking, if you have people that are severely overweight or morbidly obese, and you kind of put them on a strict diet and exercise program and stuff, like because you kind of saw it on the show where like some of the contestants are talking about like how, like, yeah, like in the first week I lost, you know, 20 pounds, the second week I lost like 15 pounds, but then like suddenly in the third week I only lost three pounds, and it was like a big and it was like an issue and everything is that I had to like go to more drastic measures to make sure that I would have because that's the thing is like as you kind of even out and you lose a lot of that water weight and a lot of that blow, and you kind of lose a lot of that initial like extra weight that you're carrying around just by like eating such an obscene amount of food and like not exercising, you know, like you're gonna have those very dramatic results at first, but as you kind of your weight goes down, like yeah, you're not it's gonna get harder and harder to lose like these huge substantial amounts of weight, you know, because it's kind of like if you have somebody that's severely overweight go on a strict diet and exercise routine, they're just gonna be like dropping like a shit ton of weight really quick. Versus if you have somebody that's already of like maybe an average size or a little bit smaller or whatever, and they go on a really strict diet and exercise routine, like they're like they're gonna lose like maybe a pound or two a week or something like that, you know? Maybe.

SPEAKER_02 40:42

With the Dr. Heisinger, he does kind of like address that on like a high level that under like the competitive circumstances and just in general of what's realistic and best for your body, there's no good way to do this.

SPEAKER_00 40:55

Yeah. Well, and the bigger you start, the more of an advantage you have, too, because you have more to lose.

SPEAKER_02 40:59

Which they mentioned that the average weight of the show kept going up, and then like we talked about at the beginning, some contestants are being advised to gain more weight or not lose too much before the show to keep it one on the camera, but it also makes an issue because you you can get dramatic weight loss very early, because obviously the earlier you you know the heavier you are, the more you'll lose in the beginning. But that's crazy, they were creeping up the average age of the cast. Dr. Heisenger was like, um, these people can't do those activities you have prescribed. I don't even think they can exercise. But they did not care. And it shows that they were like sneaking around doing challenges without consulting him or having him on set.

unknown 41:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:37

Also, typical reality TV shenanigans being like, Tracy had things talked about how she wanted to have her lawyer review it or talk to an attorney. They tried to get her to sign her contract, like under the rush while she was being sequestered, and she was like, they were like, Welcome, we got ten more fat bitches waiting in the wing, so you won't sign her not.

SPEAKER_00 41:56

Yeah, no, exactly. It's like just very, you know, typical shenanigans like that that don't shock me at all, you know. Just as uh considering like how we've been like lifelong fans of reality TV, and also we've been doing this podcast and like doing deep dives into this shit for how you know several years now, it's like none of it surprises me. None of it, not a little bit of it. I mean, I think I I I mean, I think the well when our bridal posse episode when we covered, you know, a woman who's like just had plastic surgery, like bleeding and like going down a hallway, a hotel hallway screaming. I think that's like Yeah, that was insane. And and producers, like, shut up, bitch, get back in your room. Like it's kind of like it's kind of like I think at that point, like we've jumped the shark of like shenanigans.

SPEAKER_01 42:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 42:46

Yeah, at least nobody got held hostage on this show. Apparently. I don't know. Maybe more castmate reports will come out. Um they said they did a kid season. I never heard about that. That actually happened, was that just one episode?

SPEAKER_00 42:58

I think it was just like a special. I don't think it was like a whole season.

SPEAKER_02 43:02

I thought we would have heard about this.

SPEAKER_00 43:03

Yeah, I know I think because I remember the biggest loser. They kind of because they kind of did, they took on this, like, they did all these sponsorships with all these companies and stuff for like and like all these events for like help get, you know, like kind of addressing because they kind of played it as like, oh, America has like a childhood obesity problem. We're gonna do all these things um to you know, like get kids interested in exercise and healthy eating and stuff.

SPEAKER_02 43:26

Remember Michelle Obama were really trying to get us healthy to put us in the army, huh?

SPEAKER_00 43:30

Right, right, right. They were getting us ready for World War III, and now here we are. Um we still fat.

SPEAKER_02 43:36

We're bigger than we were then, according to Dr. Street. They had a 45%. I was like, ooh, Jesus.

SPEAKER_00 43:43

Well, that's the thing is I feel like I feel like, I mean, this is a this is a little this is a little bit bigger than this, but I just feel like in general, like America's obesity problem isn't gonna get better until we like until we get away from shit like this.

SPEAKER_02 43:58

They sponsor those empicks? Oh.

SPEAKER_00 44:01

Well, no, I was more so saying because I mean the thing I was joking. I mean, you know, that might what be what it comes to. Well, because I just feel like in the you in the United States, our education on like nutrition is so poor. Like most, the large majority of America.

SPEAKER_02 44:16

That scamming ass food pyramid being one thing, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:21

Like we're just like we we get like propaganda on nutrition rather than like actual information, like real information on nutrition. And we're just like, we're genuinely like we're not taught at all, like at any point in our K through 12 experience, on like how to actually like be healthy, manage our weight, you know, eat healthy and nutritious and exercise and everything. Like it, I mean, I guess we do PE, but I mean that's that's that's kind of bullshit anyway, too. Because they have a stupid shit like that.

SPEAKER_02 44:49

You have two health for like one semester. Like, nutrition's not easy. Yeah, I think nutrition is like a module in health that may or may not get skipped over to talk about gonorrhea. So will you get the nutrition module? Maybe. I remember like one lesson in health class that was like it might have been like we like by the time I took the health in 10th grade, they might have been like getting rid of the food pyramid and talking about the plate or whatever. But yeah, it was like one little thing, but you know, you're totally right. That gets neglected. And as a society, I think it's hard to kind of address it because we do have a very weird convenience-driven food culture, also just like so many immigrant communities and different like cultures in general mixed in.

SPEAKER_00 45:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 45:30

What I think about health focus, but it's annoying.

SPEAKER_00 45:35

Yeah, and I think on top of the lack of like actual nutrition being taught, we're also constantly being having all these crazy like diets and stuff pushed on. It's it's always some c it's always some wild ass diet. It was something weird.

SPEAKER_01 45:46

It's always something.

SPEAKER_00 45:48

It it's always it's always a keto, it's always like a fucking Well, moderation isn't in the American eat though, so I fear.

SPEAKER_02 45:55

So I don't think that's ever gonna be the answer. We are the land of consumption. We are the land of go bigger, go home, bit.

SPEAKER_00 46:02

One thing, it's it's never just like, hey, eat your fruits and vegetables, get your protein and healthy fat. Right. Have some have some complex carbs. Right.

SPEAKER_02 46:11

And you know, fiber and bit. That's why you can't see it.

SPEAKER_00 46:13

Yeah, get some fiber, and then like just like and just like loosely count your calories, you know, just like loosely count them. Get get yourself a rough estimate, and you'll probably be fine. Like, you know, it's like I feel like nutrition doesn't have to be that difficult, but for whatever reason Americans have this weird thing where we make it difficult.

SPEAKER_02 46:32

Unless food deserts, let's make the food accessible if we're trying to if we're trying to fix something. Maybe RFK need to hire us. Maybe RFK needs to hire us. I don't know. I feel like we can get this shit together. He would never, he would never well know, but I feel we have some idea. We have some ideas.

SPEAKER_00 46:51

Yeah. Well, I feel like, I mean, I feel like to work for RFK and then you have to like have syphilis and a brain worm, I think.

SPEAKER_02 46:58

And drink some raw, he'd probably make you drink raw milk in the interview. Not you like, oh god.

SPEAKER_00 47:02

I'm vegan. Not that I don't drink the reality. I'm not raw. I would have drink raw milk in general, but nothing. I don't even drink the safe stuff that's been filtered. I don't even drink the pasteurized shit, bitch. Nothing. I don't even drink the safe stuff, and you want me to j to raw dog this milk? That's crazy. I mean, I still see blood in there.

SPEAKER_01 47:23

It's red. Nothing.

SPEAKER_00 47:24

Uh the the the raw milk crowd, they they truly gag me.

SPEAKER_02 47:28

The ones who gag me more is once you're like, oh, just boil it first. I mean, yeah, bitch, that's what they do.

SPEAKER_00 47:33

I know that's my favorite. Is when the people that are like the conspiracy theorists, that's my favorite, is when they like just use different verbiage to just do exactly the same thing that they're saying is like that you're not like it's it's so funny to be like.

SPEAKER_02 47:46

Oh, pasteurization? Is that that's what you discovered my love?

SPEAKER_00 47:49

That's saying it's like you're pasteurizing it, you're just like not saying that word. But okay. I mean it's kind of I mean it's kind of like how we can't pronounce it now, wasn't it?

unknown 47:57

Right.

SPEAKER_00 47:58

Well, it's kind of like how like a certain medical treatment, you I'm like, oh, you mean a vaccine? You mean a vaccination?

SPEAKER_02 48:07

I'm just injecting some antibodies into my bloodstream.

SPEAKER_00 48:10

I don't know, but you know, some people I mean, who who are we to judge? Some people in our community live off of prep of prep and adder alsa.

SPEAKER_02 48:17

What are some bitches with some degrees? And not even multiple, we each have one. Well and I majored in business and him and communications.

SPEAKER_00 48:27

Listen, I'm gonna communicate with these bitches at their death.

SPEAKER_02 48:31

Um I'm gonna get to the bag, like Natalie and I.

SPEAKER_00 48:35

There you go. But we but we're not gonna beat any of the biggest.

SPEAKER_02 48:37

And Jillian Michaels. I was kind of she was like, You just made me a fucking millionaire. And we got the Bob ate. Of course, Jillian Michael said that.

SPEAKER_00 48:46

That was one moment where Bob ate a little bit. I was like, yeah, he's like, oh, that's a that's that's a Jillian Michaels asking to say. I mean, honestly, and I I'm not trying to be offensive, but Jillian Michaels, she is just she's like your most like the most stereotypical example of like the aggressive lesbian. What she is a walking stereotype.

SPEAKER_02 49:08

I didn't even know she was a lesbian until we were older. I think you told me that too. I thought she's a lesbian.

SPEAKER_00 49:14

I would have thought of saying that she is. She's a mean lesbian. She's not mean lesbian.

SPEAKER_02 49:22

And I'm I'm sure she doesn't like the fact that I don't know. I thought the stereotypical view of a lesbian you think of is probably a bit pudgy. I'm sure she hates that.

SPEAKER_00 49:32

Maybe I don't know. I I feel like there are a lot of really fit lesbians out there, a lot of really fit ones.

SPEAKER_02 49:38

That's true. The sports plane ones.

SPEAKER_00 49:41

What I feel like even the ones that are pudgier.

SPEAKER_02 49:43

The ones on your college's lacrosse team.

SPEAKER_00 49:45

Well, yeah, I was thinking, even the ones that are pudgier, they're also muscular and strong as fuck.

SPEAKER_02 49:49

Like they're true.

SPEAKER_00 49:51

It's kind of it's kind of like when you see like playing the hell out of some roller derby. That's it. It's kind of like when you see that one picture of that shirtless guy where it's like the gym bro that likes to drink beer. It's like that kind of yeah.

SPEAKER_02 50:02

Oh yeah, I I I see that.

SPEAKER_00 50:06

Um, but do you want to get into like sudden uh now that we've kind of talked about the contents of the docuseries, we've talked about you know the show, the actual Showbacks loser, the docuseries itself. Do we think it was good, bad? Like, what's kind of the verdict on it?

SPEAKER_02 50:21

I think like I said earlier on, it was alright. Yeah, I think it was it hit the standards for spilling some tea and getting undercover, but nothing particularly groundbreaking or revolutionary. But like I see why it's top three. This is a hotbed topic, this was a big show, it hit some nostalgia. It feels a little late, especially for like the super fans of The Biggest Loser, but yeah. I was entertained overall. I'm glad we covered it. When it once it came out, I was like, oh, we're gonna talk about it. Which I feel like we enjoy getting into the documentaries. The viewers, y'all enjoy it, because we look at the we look at the analytics, and the documentary episodes always go off. So we we enjoyed tapping into these, but you know, I think a solid 6.5, 7 out of 10. Like nothing revolutionary, but it wasn't awful. It was nice seeing you know some familiar faces. They got like credible sources. Like sometimes they'll throw some of these together and you're like, who are the sources? Like, why you got data from the real housewives here talking in the chair? Right.

SPEAKER_00 51:18

So Right, exactly, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 51:21

Yeah, but credible sources, good production, you know, I learned a little something.

SPEAKER_00 51:27

Yeah, no, I agree. I think it was well produced. It was, you know, it was of a good quality, it wasn't just some some cheap, you know, quick cash grab bullshit. You know, they they put some effort into this, they made it a little something. Um, but definitely I put it middle of the road because yeah, for me, not not much here was like really shocking. And it was just I think it was just such a to to me, like I said earlier, it was such an accumulation of everything that I already knew from all the other expos that I come up this year. So I guess in that regard, I think for years to come, this will be a great resource for people who are wanting to dive into the lore of the biggest loser. And instead of having to kind of consume the information from all of these different places and different, you know, whatever, and find articles that were taken down and find, you know, fucking Wayback Machine versions of them or whatever. It's like you can just go to this docuseries on Netflix, very accessible. So I think, yeah, overall, what I appreciate is that they took the information and made it as accessible as possible because damn near everybody in America has a Netflix subscription.

SPEAKER_03 52:33

Right.

SPEAKER_02 52:34

I mean, you know, this was the right distribution channel to go for. Right. You know, discovery-oriented like platform. It's kind of like, oh, what do I want to watch today? Like, oh, look at this loser. Like if this came on something, you wouldn't you wouldn't care about it, you wouldn't know. You wouldn't see commercial.

SPEAKER_00 52:51

It's on Netflix and it's very easy to binge. It's a very easy watch. Like we said, it's over it' o overall, it's under, it's like just a little under three hours. So I mean, you could you could literally watch this in one Saturday if you wanted to.

SPEAKER_02 53:04

Right? I know Netflix does a good job with their documentaries because they they have the formula. They know they need like three episodes of you know, similar length, 40-ish minutes. And they can get the job done. And like they do with all of their kind of reality shows as well, their unscripted programming, they have a good way about ending it on a bit of a gag and kind of like seamlessly going to the next episode. So you want to watch it. Like I know they ended with like the crazy cop lady in episode two. Not she wasn't crazy, but she was a little over the top. She was a cat, she was a cat. She was a couple of things. She was a cat. Yeah, somebody you were like, ooh, I want to hear what you got to say. Right. And then in the first episode, they kind of end with like the doctor and like I think it was like some bomb drop. I don't know. It was something that gagged me. And they opened up episode two with him saying, Oh, I was in the OJ trial. I was like, what? I know the OJ connection. I was like, okay.

SPEAKER_01 53:53

The OJ connection basically.

SPEAKER_02 53:56

They were like, Y'all gonna see this. Well yes, well yeah, it's my uncle. I lied. I don't know why I did that.

SPEAKER_00 54:09

Okay, Uncle Uncle Johnny.

SPEAKER_02 54:12

Well. I feel like I too could be a prolific black lawyer if I went to law school. I mean, there's no time. Anybody wants to pay for that?

SPEAKER_00 54:22

Right, it's it's never too late to go to law school. It's never too late to go to law school. Kim Krashi is a very good thing.

SPEAKER_02 54:30

It really isn't. But I don't have Michael Clark Duncan's whole estate, so allegedly. Well, well, shout out to Amarosa. She manifested my current job for me.

SPEAKER_00 54:45

She did, she did, she she did. Should we post that cameo on the TikTok?

SPEAKER_02 54:49

Via Cameo. Oh, maybe I'll post it on TikTok on my birthday this year. It's like a throwback.

SPEAKER_00 54:55

Right, a little throwback moment. But um kind of conclude what where I kind of wanted to end this episode was do we think that the biggest loser could exist today or have a comeback today? Or even if it's not exactly the biggest loser, another show kind of trying to bring this format back in like a modern way?

SPEAKER_02 55:16

I don't know, but Zeus Network, please do not try. Zeus Network, please do not try.

SPEAKER_00 55:21

Natalie, please do not try. The problem with Zeus Network is they actually will kill someone. Like they're like some people die.

SPEAKER_02 55:29

They'd probably be giving out BBLs, like it's Vinoplasty. And then have the woman be fighting with recovering BBL.

SPEAKER_00 55:35

Oh my god, these are kind of messed up. That surgery is ideal. Like, you're gonna have people dying during the surgery, you're gonna have people dying because they got kicked after the surgery while recovering and bled out or something.

SPEAKER_02 55:47

But I I you know what? If it was hosted by Roli, I would watch at least one episode. But to answer your question more seriously, I don't necessarily think so. I think like maybe somebody will take a shot on something like quarter tonteen.

SPEAKER_03 56:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 56:02

And maybe develop it a little bit more. But I don't think people want to see that. I think people like to see that people position in a more humiliating way, unfortunately.

SPEAKER_00 56:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 56:11

Yeah, no, and I think maybe I like I don't know. But also, I think also the competition aspect could be interesting. I think people could be drawn into that.

SPEAKER_00 56:20

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 56:21

Again, it's only good ethically, because people are just gonna starve them to win.

SPEAKER_00 56:24

Yeah, I think.

SPEAKER_02 56:26

I didn't even know the biggest loser had a cash prize, like$250,000. I was like, oh, that makes a lot more sense. You gotta be bought in some coins? For some reason, I just thought you got the you know, you got yelled at by Jillian Michaels, but the prize is being skinny now. Like my whole life, I didn't know there was a prize on this ship.

SPEAKER_00 56:42

Right. Well, I I'm I'm I have mixed feelings on it because on one hand, I feel like no, it could not really exist or come back today, right now. However, the direction America's going in, I'm kind of like maybe. Like, cause it feels like we're kind of going backwards in a lot of way in the last couple of years. Um so for me, I mean, and you even see like I don't know, I feel like when the the moment the Kardashians deflated their BBLs a little bit, I immediately know I was like, uh-oh, something's uh something's amiss.

SPEAKER_02 57:17

You were like, oh, skinny's coming back.

SPEAKER_00 57:19

Nothing happened.

SPEAKER_02 57:19

They try to bring low risings back.

SPEAKER_00 57:22

I should have known that Trump would win again and bring in a wit a new wave of fascism the moment Kim Kardashian got a smaller axe. I shouldn't have known. I should've known.

SPEAKER_02 57:34

I'm gonna keep blaming Sidney Sweeney since she wants to be the target. She wants to put herself in a conversation and she's in it, now she really wants to be.

SPEAKER_00 57:43

I'm like, you you want to be Magabarbie, bitch? You're MAGA Barbie.

SPEAKER_02 57:48

She's not even that skinny. I mean, she's not fat, but I don't think she's like perfect then. Or maybe those tips just add a lot. Doesn't make her top heavy. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 57:57

I mean, that's the thing, is honestly, because I mean, like, if you see someone that's gotten like a breast reduction but hasn't lost weight, like they do look skinnier. The boobs make a difference.

SPEAKER_02 58:05

I think she's just top heavy.

SPEAKER_00 58:07

Nothing, yeah. I think if you've got big boobs, like it does, it makes you it makes you look like just thick up.

SPEAKER_02 58:13

Right. But I don't know, do you think her career could recover from that? A boob reduction?

SPEAKER_00 58:18

No.

SPEAKER_02 58:19

Well, you're kinder about it than I. I would have walked around it before deciding on no.

SPEAKER_00 58:25

Well thing, no, I no, I mean, I and you know what? The thing is, is she's done she has she has picked her lane and she's gonna win in it, so right.

SPEAKER_02 58:36

But yeah, um, I I I'd be interested to see if people would try. Oh, you know what I would like to see? I would like to see like a a challenge for the plus-size people. Like actual physical competition, but like and you know, encouraging them to get maybe get some confidence in their bodies. I watched that for a few episodes. I mean, I've got a ninja warrior, weight loss team thing. Maybe people would like that.

SPEAKER_00 58:58

Have a little petty.

SPEAKER_02 59:01

You still get the fat people falling, but you get them succeeding too.

SPEAKER_00 59:04

I guess for me, I just would like to see like, yeah, just like a regular show, but just like with plus size people included and getting to be in it and everything, you know?

SPEAKER_02 59:15

The The Bachelor Plus. I've watched The Bachelor Plus.

SPEAKER_00 59:18

That's it. If we got the Golden Bachelor, yeah, why not?

SPEAKER_02 59:21

But all the contestants would be mixed in. And people will be talking once you end up with the skinny black man, the big white girl. Which would be the ending, which would be the ending, but we all knew that. We all knew that. But I think there was a show on TLC about like mixed-sized couples, which maybe that's what we're gonna talk about next. So stay tuned if we can find it. But that is a big there are so many shows we want to cover that are just not accessible or wiped off the face of the planet, or they want us to buy it for$2.99 per episode. And it's like we're not doing that. When you can put it on 2B, you can put it on the catalyst of free streaming platforms.

SPEAKER_00 59:58

Right.

SPEAKER_02 59:59

Because if y'all if they can go put Catch and Kelsey, the worst reality TV show ever produced, on Peacock because he's dating Taylor Swift, then they can put the rest of these shows we want to watch on.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:10

Exactly, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:11

I think it's that show deserves to be nuked from existence. It's actually like we've like we've watched a lot over these past two years and some change. And catch and Kelsey is still the I I I I would rather I would rather watch a white nationalism rally. Well, no, I don't think so, but I'll say, wow. I'd rather watch paint nationalism. That's the gag of the season. I don't know about that, but I don't know. Paint drying wouldn't be like paint drying would be too entertaining. I need something more boring than paint drying to compare it to Captain Kelsey. Cuz terribly produced. But yeah, that was it for me.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:48

Yeah. Yeah, no, I think.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:51

If I wasn't a modern biggest loser, would you support me on social media?

SPEAKER_00 1:00:56

I I would, I would. I I would I would run your socials for you too. Well, thank y'all for listening to another episode of the Honor Real Note podcast. I I I think we're the biggest winners today because we ate that. But um and we didn't starve ourselves, we actually ate it. Um per usual, if you guys can cupcake seduce. That's it. We're we're like the cast of Potomac. We actually eat when we go to dinner.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:24

Um I will order the crab dip every time, just like deserve.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:30

But as always, you can catch us all over social media. We are at on a real note pod, on uh Twitter slash X, we're on TikTok, Instagram, YouTube, all over the fucking place. So feel free to reach out, give us your feedback, and give us suggestions too if you have anything you want us to talk about. You know, we're we're pretty open to whatever. We're pretty open to whatever. We we we can we can talk about anything, really.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:53

And if you are we're a cast member on the biggest loser. Well, not our, but if you were know a cast member on the biggest loser, and you want to yap about it and tell your side because they didn't pick you for the documentary, let us know. Come yap.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:05

Welcome to your second choice. Welcome to your second choice.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:10

Our third. I'm sure Jennifer Hudson needs some guests, but well, I don't know why I think y'all should have such a faded color card.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:18

Oh well, thank y'all for yet another episode. Have a good week.