One Season Wonders: Mathis Family Matters

Noah and Aidan love watching reality shows you're curious about but don't want to invest actual time in.

This week’s culprit is Mathis Family Matters, the 2022 E! reality series following Judge Greg Mathis and his tight-knit, opinionated, and very smart family under one roof in L.A.. Best known for his long-running courtroom show, Judge Mathis trades the gavel for group chats and Sunday dinners as the spotlight shifts to his role as a father, husband, and reluctant reality star. Aidan and Noah dive into how Mathis’ larger-than-life personality translates into family TV, and how the series shows genuine black wealth while exploring the sometimes ridiculous interactions between Judge Mathis, his wife Linda Reese and their children and grandchildren.

They also unpack why Judge Mathis would pivot into reality TV now, what having the show on E! meant for its visibility, and whether it deserved more than one season. From family dynamics to fame recalibrations, they break down the good, the messy, and the surprisingly moving moments of Mathis Family Matters.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:14

Welcome back, No Takers. This is the Honor Real No podcast. And this is Aiden, and I am not a child of Judge Mathis.

SPEAKER_00 0:21

And my name is Noah Aaron. And you know, I could I'm gonna play this game again. I could be an illegitimate child of Judge Mathis. According to Wendy Williams, according to Willem Maria.

SPEAKER_01 0:31

You know, I don't I don't think you have the right color.

SPEAKER_00 0:39

Oh I'm just gonna say it. What what what what did Abby Maria tell you?

SPEAKER_01 0:43

I meet You know what? You you you're you're not gonna slander Abby Maria on the podcast. But you know what? You're the same complexion as Paris Jackson, so we'll let it slide. But in case the episode title has not given it away, today we are getting into a show that you probably have not heard of because prior to wanting to cover it, I did not hear of it either. And was it for a good reason? Probably. But today we're getting into Mathis Family Matters, which aired on E in 2022, and it's currently streaming on Peacock, and it's essentially about Judge Mathis and his family all in one roof, sharing your day-to-day lives as multiple generations interact with one another. So essentially it's giving, you know, family show, the new trickers of her wild things, like the Kardashians, but you know, like early season Kardashians when they were just doing shit to do shit.

SPEAKER_00 1:38

Mm-hmm. It's a little more, it's more it's a little more silly, a little bit more fun, and not just not that serious overall.

SPEAKER_01 1:45

Yeah, very on-brand for like E. Like when I realize it's aired on E other, this makes sense. Because E's not gonna ruin your marriage, like I've said multiple times. E wants you to keep your marriage intact. They want to show you going to brunch and you know, maybe throw a gala or something. I don't know, they'll do a little some arguments here and there, but it will be nothing that you don't you really know, you know? It seems like fun reality TV to be a part of, but not the best to watch.

SPEAKER_00 2:11

Exactly. That's the thing, is like as much it's kind of funny because I guess we as a reality TV audience, like on one hand, we'll kind of be like, oh my god, these reality TV producers are evil as hell. Like, look what they do, these people. But then also when we watch this show instead of like, you know, housewives or something, we're like, wow, this is boring as fuck. Right? We're we're like, we're like, where's the affair? Where's the mess? Where's the great?

SPEAKER_01 2:35

Yeah, but some people like a wholesome show just to the point. Like, Top Chef kind of evolved to be away from the drama and more of like a you know, high stakes, actual quality cooking, culinary culinary, you know, affair competition. I think this was supposed to be not a similar vein to Top Chef, but really, you know, almost like an aspirational fun little show, but yeah, not a lot of drama, not a lot of stakes, but cute visuals doing rich people stuff. Like I enjoyed, you know, seeing black people doing rich people shit, you know? I did enjoy that aspect.

SPEAKER_00 3:07

It's definitely the kind of show that I wouldn't necessarily complete it, right completely write it off as like, oh my god, I would never watch this. But it's more so I feel like it's just it's the kind of show that you're not that invested in. Like it's like some of the other shows we talked about in here where you kind of like have it on in the background on your TV while you know you're like cleaning or doing stuff around the house or whatever, or fucking around with something. Like it's kind of like a good background noise type show where you can kind of like you don't have to pay that close attention because it's really not that deep. Um, and you can kind of just do other things and poke your head up every now and again when like something when there's like there's something like funny or whatever happening.

SPEAKER_01 3:41

Exactly. It fits perfectly into that territory. Which leads me to the you know, the star of it all, Judge Mathis, Judge Greg Mathis. What what did you know of this man? Obviously, he is in the lexicon of like pop culture and television judges. Like you think of him, you know, Judge Judy.

SPEAKER_00 4:02

Yes, exactly. And I feel like because even though I personally don't watch like the courtroom shows really, that's not really my thing. I was very aware of who he is just because like his I think behind Judge Judy, his courtroom show was like the second longest running one, I believe. Um I think hers was the longest running, and his was the second longest running by a few years. But um, so I mean he's been around forever. Like you said, he's been very present in pop culture. Um, you know, I think we've all seen the vi the the compilations of him calling people crackheads in his courtroom. Um he loves to call out a crackhead and catch them in a lie or you know, get a trip up on their line of question in his line of questioning. Um but I would say prior to this show, I mean, like I think what I most infamously knew him for was Dragon Wendy Williams and her eternal cult.

SPEAKER_01 4:56

He he is always willing to go there. He's very quick on his feet, like made for reality television, you know, could be a housewife, house husband if he wanted to, because he's just that that quick, he's on it, and he's a smart man, obviously, lawyer, all that. But quick on his feet, great with his words. And I just kind of argue with his ass.

SPEAKER_00 5:17

Well, and the thing is too, that's like it's not even just that he because he he's very quick, he's very smart, he's you know, all that. But on like in addition to that, like you don't really see it on here because this is a more wholesome, like family type show. But like in his thing with Wendy Williams, I mean he can get vicious, like he will he will cut to the bone if he wants to.

SPEAKER_01 5:38

Which which he doesn't do on this show. Just for content. He is nice to his kids.

SPEAKER_00 5:44

Oh, yeah, no, he's very yeah, he's very like sweet and lovable on this show. He's like just kind of like the fun grandpa type figure on here, you know.

SPEAKER_01 5:52

Um meanwhile, Dame Daskin and his kids evicted from apartments. Oh well, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:00

Um, but as far as like, I guess would you say that like prior to the show you already had like a pretty positive opinion of Judge Mathis?

SPEAKER_01 6:11

Yeah, for sure. I wouldn't say like I knew that much about him in his personal life. Like, I didn't even know he had kids to begin with. I mean, I figured he did, but I don't really know them, know him. Which I'm sure was by design. I'm sure he wanted to do the TV judge thing and then kind of get on with his life. I definitely thought he was funny. And he was somebody I was like, oh, you have the reality show? I would I'd watch that. I'd check that out. I want to see how you interact with people on there. Yeah, I thought he was funny, thought he was a good TV judge.

SPEAKER_00 6:37

I agree, I agree. I think he I find I've I kind of found him to be very entertaining, and just despite the viciousness of the Wendy thing, which I mean she was kind of she she was kinda she was kind of taking him there, to be honest.

SPEAKER_01 6:50

Right um I'm in Wendy condition, she can take it, I feel for the most part.

SPEAKER_00 6:55

Oh yeah, no, she was she was fine during that like he was dragging the fuck like Living Chevrolet. If y'all have not heard that, go listen to it. He was dragging Living Chevrolet, and she and she was fine, like she was chill. Um she barely reacted to it, honestly, but and it might be because of that eternal cold.

SPEAKER_01 7:10

Um you know what? Both people got it out. Both people got it out.

SPEAKER_00 7:15

Yeah, and the and yeah, and the judge, I don't know. I definitely from what I had seen of him, I kind of saw him as like you know, I kind of like you, even though I didn't necessarily know much about his family and stuff, he always kind of came off as like a real as like a real family man to me, you know, kind of just like you know, like one of those upstanding dudes that's been married to the same lady for a long ass time, has successful kids, which that's exactly what that's exactly what his case is once we watch the show.

SPEAKER_01 7:44

Yeah, no, I mean I I thought there could be some you never know with the public figures. They could have second families be messy, trade him for a younger model, as they say. So But I I figured you wouldn't go on the reality show leading with that, I would have come out by now, so right. But you know, uh aside from more recent developments, you don't really see Judge Mathis in like TMZ, you know. Like he wanted to be famous hence the TV show, but I don't think he wanted to be like superstar celebrity. I mean he did a reality show, but I think the man likes talking to a camera and he's good at it, so well yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:23

Well, I think he does care about you know his his reputation, his image, which makes sense, you know. I mean he's a judge. Um so you kinda you kinda it's kind of part of the the the job. You kind of have to care about the public.

SPEAKER_01 8:36

And he's worked hard, he doesn't want to lose his shit.

SPEAKER_00 8:38

Right. Well yeah, and so I think that is a great explanation for me. Like in the Wendy thing or whatever, like kind of like you know, he can get a little defensive, and and I can see why because he's like, I'm gonna protect mine. Um, but with like his wife and kids and everything, let's talk about the other cast members of the show because he, you know, he brought along not just himself, but he brought along his whole family. Uh so I guess kind of just going down. Do we want to start with Miss Linda, his wife, his lovely wife?

SPEAKER_01 9:10

We do want to start with Miss Linda, which one, she's a bit of a queen. She had the bundle, she's always giving us outfits. And she she wasn't afraid to give it back to Greg. She was like, okay, she thought people hoodlum once. I was like, oh, okay. We got a lot more contacts on their marriage, how they met in college, and whatnot. But I thought I thought she was fun. Definitely had the energy of somebody that I think could be cast on Real Housewives. Which while watching, I was like, Did they ever try to contact her for Beverly Hills? Is what I wondered. But I think those women would have tried to ruin her life, but you know.

SPEAKER_00 9:45

That thing, yeah, those women would do some evil shit.

SPEAKER_01 9:48

That's because she had some real coins in a nice house. And it didn't look like it was on a main road either, so and it also doesn't look like it's easily robbed. I feel like judging after this would pay for some good non-scammy security.

SPEAKER_00 10:06

That thing, they have real security, not Teddy Mellencam's husband's security. Or her soon-to-be ex-husband, sorry. Um but yeah, no, I found Linda to be very funny. Like you said, I love the way that she kind of could just snap it right back to the judge. Um And I feel like I don't know, she like seems like kind of like just like that badass mom, you know, like the true matriarch of her family. Um like she's not gonna deal with any bullshit. She's gonna make sure her kids, she's gonna make sure her kids are kept in line, even as adults.

SPEAKER_01 10:42

Yeah, she's like bougie and not really obnoxious, kind of just like, you know, likes what she likes. Although, like a typical real housewife, she has a random foundation and is planning dollars. And I was like, of course you are, of course this is what you do with your free time.

SPEAKER_00 10:57

As she should, as she should.

SPEAKER_01 11:01

And I mean, you know, Kamara did need a storyline, so I'm sure that happens.

SPEAKER_00 11:06

She needed something to do. She needs something to do. Um well speaking of Kamara, what what do we what do we think of her? I of the kids, she was kind of the most boring to me.

SPEAKER_01 11:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:23

Gorgeous babies, gorge gorgeous babies. Oh yeah. This whole this whole fan this whole family is good looking, to be honest.

SPEAKER_01 11:29

Right. But she was definitely like the quietest of the siblings had the least screen time. Maybe wanted to do the show the least. I don't really know. Because I think she was the one who already lived in LA. She was like living her life versus the other children had all moved from DC to change their career, slash, do the show, slash, who knows. I think the real answer is do the show, but you know, we're we're keeping the fourth wall alive a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 11:56

Yeah. I mean, Kamara does give me like that kind of big sister energy where she is like prop like probably the most mature, probably the most like together and everything, which does, you know, contribute to maybe being the most boring.

SPEAKER_01 12:11

Right. Maybe she has middle child energy. She's just there. I think Jade's the oldest oldest, right? Yeah, I think she's the oldest. Yeah, I know. So she was just like in the middle child, and then maybe call the other one, like, oh, look, my favorite child, which, you know, of course, I mean, I hope he needs as a joke, but I mean you never know with what the judge would be, you know.

SPEAKER_00 12:30

He just likes to say things.

SPEAKER_01 12:34

But also, I feel like with with you know, a civil group that big, you got four of them. There's gonna be a one that's more adverse to cameras, doesn't really want to film. Well, she wasn't completely ghost from it, but you could tell she wasn't clamoring for you know, screen times are really showcasing anything. Which I think part of it is also that the fact that they all had well, they all have legitimate careers. Kamara herself was like a prosecutor, a lawyer, and then they all had legitimate careers in DC that they had left. So she was also probably trying to protect that part. Like maybe she was actually still like working. Like I'm not, yeah, I don't know if she's actually stopped or not, but she'd probably also just been working because the rest of them kind of left their job and situations. So if you're working 40 hours a week, you're not gonna be on camera that much.

SPEAKER_00 13:19

Yeah, no, and I think um I think like their parents, these kids have all, you know, they they you know, they've never, as far as I've seen, there's not there's nothing out there of them getting in trouble. They've always, you know, kept it, they've always kept it cute, they've built good reputations for themselves. Like you said, they built great careers for themselves. So they're they they got plenty to lose by doing some reality TV bullshit. So that I mean that's part of the reason why this is on E and not on another channel, because they're not gonna do some bullshit that's gonna fuck up everything they've worked for.

SPEAKER_01 13:48

Right, and part of it was a good effort to promote themselves because I think maybe they wanted to move away from like legal work and you know, take advantage of an Apple baby, like, because one son was trying to transform into some more of an activism line. Jade, one of the other siblings, she kind of speaks on mental health as an advocate, goes on speaking tours. So, and then the other brother, he's a producer. So I think they're all trying to maybe raise their profile in a way, which this is the way to do it. I like to introduce yourself in a palatable way, aside from just social media bullshit.

SPEAKER_00 14:19

One thing, yeah, you can go you can go on you know a program like this and gain and gain quite a bit of a bump to your social media following as well in the process and kind of you know find the opportunities from there. Because I feel like when you do a show like this and you like, especially when it's like a family show like this, where as a family, you already I'm sure they have the discussion ahead of time, like we're we're not, like, we're not you know putting it all out there. Like, let's make that clear. Like, I'm sure when you kind of go into it like that, you know, like, okay, this is gonna get a season, maybe two, and then get cancelled. Uh so I don't think they ever went into this, probably expecting this to be like some long-running thing.

SPEAKER_01 14:55

Right? Well, I mean, why'd they quit their jobs then? I mean, I feel like I've I've seen where shows go on a lot longer. Maybe they thought they could have got two, they could have gotten two out of it.

SPEAKER_00 15:06

Maybe, maybe.

SPEAKER_01 15:08

I'm not quitting my job for no one show season, but I also don't have math this money, so right.

SPEAKER_00 15:13

So it's it's it's a little it'd be a you'd be a little less uh a little less comfortable if you quit your job than they wanted to be. Right. Well, speaking of comfort, let's talk about Amir because he um he he loves a mattress. Uh shit.

SPEAKER_01 15:27

Oh my lord.

SPEAKER_00 15:29

I'm just kidding. I'm not I'm not gonna be able to get it. He is the mattress. He is the mattress. But I mean, you know, and Amir, he he'll he'll say it. He'll twelve he'll tell you all about all 12 of these women that he had sex with after his divorce or separation. Um he was a mess. And he's the messiest by far.

SPEAKER_01 15:51

And he acts like a younger sibling, which I say as one, and you're one as well.

SPEAKER_00 15:55

I also am, yes. And I mean, I guess we're we're messy, and that's why we're doing this show right now.

SPEAKER_01 16:00

Um I mean, I was like, of course the youngest one is the one who's not like in like a legal policy DC career. Of course he said, you know what? I'm gonna go to Hollywood just like daddy. I feel like it's on brand.

SPEAKER_00 16:12

Yeah, and basically his storyline coming into this is we're meeting, we're kind of meeting him as he's leaving a marriage. He's still like legally married as we're watching, but he has separated from his wife, and I guess he's been like sleeping around because he's telling us all about these 12 women he's had sex with. Um as I introduces a new girlfriend.

SPEAKER_01 16:33

He introduces a new girlfriend to the family.

SPEAKER_00 16:35

Yeah. Yeah. And you know, his his siblings in particular seem a little concerned about that. Um, which, you know, I I understand a lot of what they were saying, but we'll get into that. We'll get into that in a little bit. Um, I get a lot of what they were saying, but um I would say Amir was pretty entertaining. What what did you think?

SPEAKER_01 16:59

I definitely thought he was the one most like his daddy in terms of the quickness, the quips, trying to deflect things with humor. I think trying to give us a little bit of a show, I think. Probably because he was the producer. I'm sure he was like, damn, this shit is boring. So he was like, let me give us something. Let me from my relationship to you. Let me talk about these women. Because he was doing it not like it was clearly fuckboyish, but it didn't seem vindictive. It was like almost like in a I don't even know kind of way, just like very over, very carefully.

unknown 17:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:32

Just like very obviously put on a little bit, which I was like, okay, I appreciate it. You're trying to give us something. Trying to give us something.

unknown 17:38

Right.

SPEAKER_01 17:38

Although my favorite, my favorite little moment was Judge Mark's reaction. He said, married engagement separated in a year is who you've had a crack habit for a year. That's like, well, I got I guess you could have a crack habit for a year. Then he's gonna follow it up, but she wasn't on crack though. Thank you for clarifying that.

SPEAKER_00 17:59

She wasn't she wasn't on crack though.

SPEAKER_01 18:02

That's messy. I don't think any of his children will bring a crackhead into his home. They know what he'd say.

SPEAKER_00 18:10

Right. They know how he'd act. Well then, they know how they know he doesn't play with crackheads.

SPEAKER_01 18:17

And he will never let them near the end of it for in perpetuity.

SPEAKER_00 18:20

Oh yeah. Oh yeah. You know, on his deathbed, he will be reminding them about the time they dated a crackhead.

SPEAKER_01 18:27

He brought a crackhead into my eyes hole. I'll steal the granite off my conner tiles.

SPEAKER_00 18:33

Those would be his final words.

SPEAKER_01 18:34

That's crazy. I'm sure he does want to drag a crackhead in the grid.

SPEAKER_00 18:39

He probably does. He probably does. You know, if um if if heaven's real, the judge is still gonna be up there judging. He's gonna be he's gonna be watching all the crackheads on on this earth.

SPEAKER_01 18:50

But Amir's messy storyline is trying to start a podcast with his dad that's focused on like famous Hollywood legal cases, trying to break it down. So, you know, Bravo Docker energy, but you know, celebrities. And they're kind of getting to a pilot of that, focused on Jesse Smolet, which I thought was funny as hell. I was like, uh-oh, this is the case y'all want to get into.

SPEAKER_00 19:11

I was like, not Jesse. I mean, that's a messy ass case, Aiden. That's a messy ass case.

SPEAKER_01 19:18

It is, but that had another funny moment because Judge Matters was dragging him at his ass. Saying you're not a lawyer, you're not saying what you're trying to convey, be you. But yeah, you know, he was he was fucking up the legal terms, though. He didn't know. He didn't know what he was doing, he didn't know what he wanted to go for.

SPEAKER_00 19:34

I think the judge was in the kindest way possible trying to say, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

SPEAKER_01 19:41

Right? I I I feel like we come a little bit more prepared when we're getting into the legal of it all.

SPEAKER_00 19:46

Right. We we read some articles, we we cite some sources.

SPEAKER_01 19:50

Right, and we have an in-house lawsuit on our staff, on our research team.

SPEAKER_00 19:54

Yeah, I mean, I don't I don't know if he's if he's the best money can buy, but we don't pay him, so that makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 20:03

But you know, a two-hour is the best we can do, so two-hour legal researchers watch y'all again.

SPEAKER_00 20:09

Right, so if if something is a little bit off, you know why.

SPEAKER_01 20:14

Um chat GPT line.

SPEAKER_00 20:17

But um, oh that that would that would have been a terrible transition. I'm not I'm not gonna say that. Um, let's talk about Jade. Um Shady JD. Shady JD. I loved her nickname, but she I don't feel that she was that shady walking around.

SPEAKER_01 20:33

Right. Alright, but she she seemed like she'll she'll go there. Like she has a vibe that's like, oh, you don't fuck with me. Like she looks like a girl you don't fuck with, you know?

SPEAKER_00 20:42

Right. Maybe off the camera, she she her mouth might be a little more lethal.

SPEAKER_01 20:47

Or maybe she's just she's like maybe she's like discovered now, she's like you're reformed. She talked about her mental health journey and being a church girl. She's always bringing up the Lord or going to church, but not really in an overt way. Not like in an overt, annoying way either. She's just more like, yeah, I go to church. It's important to me. Which, you know, I I like that vibe. But I did not expect church one out of her when I first saw her, I will say that. So maybe she was beating bitches up back in the day. I don't know. I believe it. Right.

SPEAKER_00 21:18

Maybe she was getting down, she was getting down, and I I love that for her. You know, I love I love somebody that, you know, they can get out of their system, ha, you know, do do do their mess, and then kind of grow from it and live their best life.

SPEAKER_01 21:31

Like her Hudlum Daddy.

SPEAKER_00 21:34

Oh, not a Hudlum Daddy. Her calling her husband a Hudlum still gaps me.

SPEAKER_01 21:41

She said he thought she thought he was a hoodlum. Time in. I mean, he isn't into it. He was talking about I was doing the robber on the way to school. I was like, excuse me, Josh about this.

SPEAKER_00 21:53

I mean, he was talking to Wendy about about gambling in the streets. You know. Stuff happens. Stuff happens. But yeah, and you go to law school. She was very, very open throughout the season about her her mental health journey and kind of like what she's been through with that. And I I respected it because it definitely was uh it's definitely a vulnerable thing to show, especially on a season one of a reality show. Like you're just getting into it. Um so even if it wasn't necessarily the mess we wanted, it it was the mess we got.

SPEAKER_01 22:30

Mm-hmm. I feel like she's maybe been through a lot that she maybe didn't want want to share or like talk about in in like in that.

SPEAKER_00 22:39

Yeah, some of the more fucked up details, yeah, I'm sure.

SPEAKER_01 22:43

Right, what do you know? The the E of it all, the the family being on the EP producer line of it all. They weren't gonna talk about what they didn't want to talk about. So it was like it was all gonna be kind of a little bit contrived, you know?

SPEAKER_00 22:56

Oh yeah, no, this was never gonna be anything like very salacious or like crazy or anything like you know they weren't they were never gonna put all their damn tea out there like that. They weren't gonna do all that.

SPEAKER_01 23:09

Yeah, and Jade's storyline is like she's kind of dating. It's like a mix of different things. She's talking about her advocating for mental health career. She has this one boy from DC that she kind of likes, but they're trying to figure it out. But she wants kids, and he already has a kid, doesn't want more. And then she moves in with um her brother Greg and his man Elliot for a little bit, so she's trying to figure that out. But her whole thing is like I'm new to LA, I'm trying to figure out my roots here.

SPEAKER_00 23:38

Well, she even said I think she even said that she's the least LA of all of them. That she that she's that she's very Detroit like her father. Which I can see, I can see. Yeah. Well, speaking speaking of Greg, since you mentioned them, well, let's talk about the gay son.

SPEAKER_01 23:57

The gay son.

SPEAKER_00 23:58

The gay son, the gay son.

SPEAKER_01 24:00

Which it had to be Catholic, because he had a scene with his friend EJ Johnson. And he was talking about a time, EJ was talking about a time where he was meeting his work friends, and Greg was like, Oh, I'm not out, by the way. Don't mention anything. And EJ was like, the world. He's like, What? Like the look on EJ's face was like, between Ho and internationally. Why do you have to like this?

SPEAKER_00 24:20

That's it. That sends the fuck out of me. Just like the moment EJ Johnson was on the screen, I was cactus on like me. I went back to the screen.

SPEAKER_01 24:29

I know you were tackling. You do it to EJ Johnson.

SPEAKER_00 24:33

That's the I is the second I saw EJ Johnson, because like I didn't I didn't realize that he was gonna be on here. So when I saw him, like I think it was in the preview first. Me neither.

SPEAKER_01 24:43

Right? But it makes sense, you know. Gay son's a rich man, I'm sure.

SPEAKER_00 24:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:49

Who else can afford to do the things they do? And they're both kind of moving to this advocacy lane. So I love that for them. I wonder if they were contacted for Rich Kids of LA way back when that show was on. Rich Kids of Beverly Hills. Which I did enjoy watching that live.

SPEAKER_00 25:07

I remember that shit. I'm sure Judge Mathis was like, yeah, it was not letting his kids appear on that.

SPEAKER_01 25:14

Right? He's absolutely not. Not with those crackheads. I'm sure he would have called one of the castmates a crackhead. But it wasn't even that wild. It was it was messy, but you know, again, E.

SPEAKER_00 25:27

Yeah. Um, but with Mr. Greg Jr., um, so basically coming into the season, him and his boyfriend Elliot um are have moved to LCD. His partner DC.

SPEAKER_01 25:41

What? His partner. He described him as partner. Oh my god, okay. Sorry, um, yeah, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 25:53

I for I forgot it's Prime Mon sorry. I I I have I have to I have to play nice. No, just kidding. Um, you're so ridiculous. His partner Elliot. They're you know, they moved to LA from DC and everything. Um, and you know, Greg is kind of preparing to come out publicly after being out to his family for however long. And I get I guess I was gagged at like neither him nor his boyfriend publicly being out. I was like, oh, okay. Or sorry, his partner. Right.

SPEAKER_01 26:22

I was like, okay, show to come out. I was like, okay, yeah, vehicle.

SPEAKER_00 26:26

That thing, I was like, okay, coming out in your 30s.

SPEAKER_01 26:31

With a whole boyfriend. That's kind of crazy. But you know what? He he he did it on a reality show. He did it on a reality show.

SPEAKER_00 26:37

On a reality show, and the he and the fact that he's been with this man for three years at this point.

SPEAKER_01 26:42

Right. Let's give it an activist. I mean, I'm sure everyone else had their reaction EJ did like, uh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 26:49

I mean, I'm sure I'm sure they were calling him a homo on Capitol Hill.

SPEAKER_01 26:53

Um I'm screaming, but I'm glad he had the moment he wanted to have. It clearly was important to him.

SPEAKER_00 26:58

Yeah, it seemed like he was he was taking it very seriously. Um and you know, and I you know, I think I appreciate I think I appreciate, you know, an advocacy advocacy moment. And him and Elliot, you know, I love they still are together as far as I know. It looks like they got married last year, from what I saw.

SPEAKER_01 27:18

Oh, congrats to them. No, they're a cute couple.

SPEAKER_00 27:22

Let's see, yeah, they had a cute little a cute little wedding moment.

SPEAKER_01 27:25

Uh you think they invite guests guests into the bedroom?

SPEAKER_00 27:30

Oh wow. Well, they wanted to invite Trevor Noah into the bedroom, clearly. Because, like you said, nothing airs if the family doesn't want to air, so they they want to cry talking about Trevor Noah, so they will they're they're putting their feelers out. So Trevor.

SPEAKER_01 27:43

Maybe that's why they got their own apartment. So Judge Mathis said to walk in on them again.

SPEAKER_00 27:50

Oh Lord. Can you just imagine Judge can you just imagine watching Judge Mathis's reaction to seeing gay sex? I'm sorry, that'll be crazy.

SPEAKER_01 28:00

Yeah, he'd say something crazy. That don't go up there. He'd say something. He'd be like, ooh, we'll we'd get you black sheets. He'd say something. No, the white sheets, no.

SPEAKER_00 28:16

He'd say something crazy, he'd make a crazy face.

SPEAKER_01 28:22

It's racing for breeze.

SPEAKER_00 28:29

You know what? I think that should have been in the show. We should have seen that.

SPEAKER_01 28:36

That's how I should it should have been one, it should have been one of the cold opens. I will say the cold opens on this show were fucking hilarious. They were the best scenes sometimes.

SPEAKER_00 28:46

It almost they were so funny, it almost felt like a skit.

SPEAKER_01 28:50

Right? But maybe they were set up, but no one judged that as a bobby just was off the cuff shit that you just had air in.

SPEAKER_00 28:56

Yeah, that's the thing is judg I Judge Mathis is, I mean, he's he's funny and clever enough naturally that he doesn't need a script. You know, you don't you don't need to create a scenario for jud for the judge. He's gonna say it.

SPEAKER_01 29:07

But yeah, they'd open each episode with about like a strong little scene, less than a minute. But there's something crazy being said, some crazy scenario, and then cut into the episode. Which honestly, they can cut all the cult opens and post it on TikTok and say that's the show.

SPEAKER_00 29:23

And people would watch, people would watch.

SPEAKER_01 29:25

Oh yeah, they'd want they'd watch the one TikTok and it'd be a minute long. Maybe a couple.

SPEAKER_00 29:32

And it would get millions of views. It would get millions of views.

SPEAKER_01 29:35

But um three of my favorites are the cult opens. Well, there there was Linda thinking he was a huddle. There was um Judge Mathis trying to join new edition. Which is funny because he had to spread the group member there. I have to ask you something important. That's why I invited you over here. Talking about can I join the group for the tour? I'm gonna say judge matters. Now you know. Now you know. You know damn well. Right? But banana pudding gap was my favorite one. I'm apparently judging at this going around the house accusing everybody of eating his banana pudding because he forgot he hit it in the damn wash room.

SPEAKER_00 30:16

Oh, he was taking his banana pudding very fucking seriously. He was not playing around.

SPEAKER_01 30:21

I mean, I don't play around about banana pudding either. You know, I would be accusing my whole house. I don't want y'all kids eating it.

SPEAKER_00 30:30

You'd accuse everyone just for it to be in the back of the fridge behind something else.

SPEAKER_01 30:35

No, it would be in the mini fridge in my office. Locked.

SPEAKER_00 30:40

No that's locked up in the mini fridge.

SPEAKER_01 30:46

Well, Judge Mathis needs a damn office with a house that size. He doesn't have an office in a secret fridge.

SPEAKER_00 30:52

Not an office in a secret fridge. Um so, like, oh overall, like, as you kind of watch, I mean, I we we kind of had these story arcs as we talked about with the cast members, and those kind of like played out in their own way. Um, was there anything in particular that you found to be maybe the most most entertaining aspect or the thing that you were most interested in?

SPEAKER_01 31:16

Um not really. I guess Greg and Elliot's relationship was fun to see and kind of you know, see them grow and interact. I thought it was cute. But other than that, it was like just funny moments. You know, actually, the one storyline episode I found was funny as hell was Judge Baptist demanding his Instagram password on because the kids wouldn't give it to him and they control his damn Instagram. I see why. He was probably posting and saying crazy shit.

SPEAKER_00 31:47

Him and Adele both getting locked out of their damn social media.

SPEAKER_01 31:51

Which even if it was set up for the show, I think it was like a funny enough storyline that I was kind of into.

SPEAKER_00 31:56

Well, the thing is I could genuinely see them like restricting his social media access.

SPEAKER_01 32:02

Well, after he posted something crazy, just comment on that video or something. He is still the old man on social media. He was probably acting crazy.

SPEAKER_00 32:14

Yeah, no, they they they the older generations, the boomers and the and Gen X and whatnot, like some of the shit that I see them comment on social media pages is just wild, where it's like they there has to be some disconnect here where they don't realize that everybody else can see this.

SPEAKER_01 32:32

Do you think he has like the size 44 font on his phone?

SPEAKER_00 32:41

Not the size 44. I hate that shit so much. That irritates me.

SPEAKER_01 32:51

I know, I know that bitches have to beg me to come up to you with the app on size what you want.

SPEAKER_00 32:56

Maybe I'm ageist, but I find it annoying.

SPEAKER_01 33:00

I'm just guys like, oh, let me get my readers there.

SPEAKER_00 33:05

Not the readers. Okay, Sutton. But yeah, watching the show, I mean, I feel like for me, obviously, Jay talking about her mental health struggles. Um, I think in general, the relationship between the judge and and his wife, I found I I liked watching them as a couple together because it was so endearing to see. Um, because they just seemed like they just seemed like a very like sweet, cute couple, you know, and like kind of one of those older couples that's been married for like a ridiculously long fucking amount of time. Um and just like very like still into each other despite being married for so long, you know. So I I liked watching those parts.

SPEAKER_01 33:51

Like Tiffany Pollard said, your eyes ain't fooling you. This is real love right here.

SPEAKER_02 33:58

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 33:58

I did enjoy seeing a little bit of Greg's um activism storyline, but I don't understand why Judge Knox sit him down like you have an obligation. I mean, does he? Are they because he's rich? I was trying to understand the why. Like, is it because he's rich?

SPEAKER_00 34:17

Is it just because he's gay? Um I feel like I feel like that was definitely in the vein of like, okay, this is just for TV. Like we need to have a we need to have a screen. Um, but I was actually being that my knowledge of Judge Mathis was a little bit limited coming to this, I was actually kind of surprised at just I guess how like okay with the gay the judge is. Because like, you know, with him being like religious and being kind of like a man of God and everything like that in the church and and whatnot, you know, I kind of like I I didn't expect him to be like nasty, like like when I saw that one of the sons was gay, like I didn't think it was gonna be like nasty homophobic shit or anything like that. But I just didn't necessarily expect him to be so like uh fully embracing of it and so um like just kind of like making like making jokes about it and uh especially when it's conservative ass fan base. Yeah, one thing is that even got touched on the show by his son was talking about, you know, like how in the past, whenever his dad has you know really shown any level of support to the LGBTQ community, um, that basically typically the comments he gets from his, you know, from his fans, from his viewers of his shows and whatnot, that they're not very positive, that there is backlash. Um so yeah, I was I was pleasantly surprised just to see just the level of uh of just acceptance and just like how cool he was with it.

SPEAKER_01 35:56

Right. Well, I don't know. What if what if his team didn't let his son come out until the show was damn near over? Because that'd be evil. Not that evil shit. But I will say Mathis seems like he mostly cares about you getting a degree and not being a crackhead.

SPEAKER_00 36:12

So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:14

Which he went four for four on, so right?

SPEAKER_00 36:18

No, no crackheads over here. I mean, that's the you you literally cannot be a crackhead if Judge Mathis is your father. It will not that that will not happen.

SPEAKER_01 36:27

You can bring it up as anytime you make, I make whatever million a year and you want to smoke crack.

SPEAKER_00 36:32

You wanna smoke crack.

SPEAKER_01 36:35

You wanna smoke crack in a million dollar home. Smoking crack in a million million dollar home is kind of crazy.

SPEAKER_00 36:41

I mean Whitney and Bobby did it.

SPEAKER_01 36:44

We're not doing this, not today.

SPEAKER_00 36:47

I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I I don't know why that came out of my mouth. Um but so overall, this show obviously did not get a season two. Would you have watched a season two if there was one?

SPEAKER_01 37:03

No. I would have been maybe see what the cold opens were giving. I think it could have benefited from more of a guest star situation, like Denise Richards and her wild things. Because that, you know, perked up some curiosity. Thankfully, the show was only like a half an hour ordeal, so you didn't really have to slog through a lot. Like the beats got through pretty quickly, and there was enough Judge Matthew's antics that it didn't make it draining necessarily. Yeah, no, I would not have watched season two. Would you have?

SPEAKER_00 37:34

No, I would not have. I barely got through season one because I I was genuinely very bored watching this. Like very, very bored.

SPEAKER_01 37:44

I'd watch like a Judge Mantis Family Christmas or something if they want to have like an annual Christmas special. I might throw that off.

SPEAKER_00 37:51

I I'd be into that. That'd be part of my holiday cheer.

SPEAKER_01 37:54

Right? Some funny pajamas, some mess, Judge Mathis eating some Oreos. I'm into it.

SPEAKER_00 38:01

Or I would just watch in general, just like Judge, because like I mean, he doesn't have his court show anymore, but now like I want them to give him himself another show, like of some kind. Like, I don't care what it is. It can be they can be Judge Mathis goes to work for all I care.

SPEAKER_01 38:13

Not Judge Mathis goes to work.

SPEAKER_00 38:17

Like, I don't know. You know what? I don't know. I would like to see that. I would like to see that. Yeah, I would be down to see more Judge Mathis. Or like we were talking about earlier. You know, get get um that thing, get him and Miss Linda on a housewives show. I like you know, get them on Bravo or something too. That could work.

SPEAKER_01 38:35

Um, you want them to get separated again?

SPEAKER_00 38:39

No, no, no. Honestly, bring her on as like a friend of. And then we can get like Okay. She could bring she can bring the judge around every now and again for a moment.

SPEAKER_01 38:48

Or they can move to Potomac.

SPEAKER_00 38:51

Okay, Potomac. Well, you know Giselle would you know Giselle would, you know, see a hater. A happy man.

SPEAKER_01 38:57

Well then Judge Judge Baptist will turn up at that reunion. You think you're gonna stay silent back then?

SPEAKER_00 39:02

Oh Lord, can you oh he would he would definitely win up for a fiery box like Karen did?

SPEAKER_01 39:09

Oh my god. Judge Baptist would not be quiet back then.

SPEAKER_00 39:13

Nothing. He he would definitely give uh he would definitely give Chris Samuels at the at the season five right now where he's like he's like he's like people better start owning up to their stuff, but that's about to be some mess on the stage.

SPEAKER_01 39:26

I think this ain't Ray Huger. This ain't Ray Huger.

SPEAKER_00 39:29

This is not Ray Hugo.

SPEAKER_01 39:31

I'm not gonna sit here and smile.

SPEAKER_00 39:33

This is not the ass grab or Michael Darby either.

SPEAKER_01 39:36

Well, Michael Darby loves throwing around lawsuits, so I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 39:39

Oh lord. Can you imagine if Michael Darby tried to make his math with Judge Mathis?

SPEAKER_01 39:45

Oh Lord. I didn't think he would have meet his met his match. I don't think that man is appearing on the show ever again. Is Ashley gonna have like Jack Arlow behind her, one of those old white men from Love Hotel? I don't I guess we'll see next season.

SPEAKER_00 40:00

There will be no one behind her at the reunion for you.

SPEAKER_01 40:05

But um back to this show. I think they used like every reality TV activity possible. Like then there were brunches, they threw a gala, there was a foundation, they were on a camping trip, there was a shaman plus Ricky healer, which I love Judge Matthew's reaction. He was like, Ricky, she smells, she's Ricky. I was like, sir.

SPEAKER_00 40:31

Um they kind of they kind of did to a certain extent. I mean, I guess it works that they only had the one season, because in some ways they kind of like speed ran like five seasons of a chef.

SPEAKER_01 40:41

Right? They had a nutritionist walk around the house throwing shit out.

SPEAKER_00 40:44

Yeah, I'll say it's like they they really they really brought out the big guns and they did everything. They did like they did all the little reality TV tropes.

SPEAKER_01 40:53

I guess everything you do when you don't want to put your personal business um too much on the Everything but get like a marriage counselor and mine some coffins or something. That's the only thing they were missing.

SPEAKER_00 41:03

Oh god, thank they thank God um that we didn't have a marriage counseling storyline because I swear to god, if we had to get a scene of the judge laying down with in front of us, tombstone something.

SPEAKER_01 41:13

Oh lord. And then one of the kids probably I would have been over it.

SPEAKER_00 41:17

I would have been over it.

SPEAKER_01 41:19

Now you know Judge Baptist would not have been serious in that.

SPEAKER_00 41:23

Oh no, there's no way. He he would be he'd be he would have jokes, he'd have jokes. Um well, do you think he had jokes when him and Linda separated a couple years back?

SPEAKER_01 41:32

I mean he he was on for the TMZ, but he wants his wife back. And when they asked, they asked, they said something they said they asked him if he was infidelity, like if he had you know done infidelity. He said that's not the purpose of the divorce. That's not the reason for this. Like he didn't really answer the question. I was like, oh Judge, oh Judge. He was talking around it. Good with his words, good with his words.

SPEAKER_00 41:56

I mean, it's very interesting to me how they like separated, she filed for divorce, and then they and then they re and they kind of reconciled their marriage with the being. Because I feel like I feel like in these reality TV messes, usually the reconciliation doesn't happen if like once once divorce is actually filed for. Maybe she wanted to switch it off. I'd say she she she wanted to teach him a lesson or something, I don't know. I hope he learned it. That that's what Nene said when those bitches on the view asked her why she divorced Greg just to marry him again. She said, teach him a lesson. Well, and maybe he learned it. Maybe he learned it. I'm sure he did because he seem I mean they they in general they both like seem to love each other, but he seems like very in love with Miss Linda. Like he is like he he's down bad, bad for Miss Linda.

SPEAKER_01 42:54

Right, and maybe the kids had an intervention. I don't know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:58

I mean, I feel like if they were my parents, especially at their age, I I if I I would have an intervention be like, y'all are y'all are too old for a divorce. Figure it out.

SPEAKER_01 43:06

Right? Also, they seem like the kind of kids who are just so used to their parents being like such a dynamic, they probably like even in their 30s or however old they are, they'd be crying and carrying on. Right. I feel like it's for the best. Also, there's no prenup. You might as well ride it out. Right. Right. I get that. Yeah, I can't see Judge Mathis with no young. I can't see Judge Mathis with like a 25-year-old daddy. That doesn't seem his brand, you know. Oh, God. You know?

SPEAKER_00 43:36

That'd be ridiculous. I I I would be a little I would be I would feel a little betrayed by that. I don't know why.

SPEAKER_01 43:42

I mean, he he dresses it sometimes like he wants it to be like that, but I I I feel like he likes Lady Hazane, and he loves his wife.

SPEAKER_00 43:51

Yeah, yeah, and Miss Linda. And I mean Miss Linda is a hell of a catch. Uh right?

SPEAKER_01 43:56

Although Judge Naptus did make me want a Versace role, though. Like seeing him. Around his Versace year old. I'm like, I deserve to gallivant around my tiny ass apartment like this.

SPEAKER_00 44:06

Right. He yeah, no.

SPEAKER_01 44:07

So, note takers, if you want to buy me a Versace world, please DM me. DM the podcast account. But Noah doesn't get one.

SPEAKER_00 44:16

You know what? And that's exactly the kind of game we're not playing. So, Anna, do you have any final thoughts on Mathis Family Mass?

SPEAKER_01 44:26

No, but just happy Juneteenth.

SPEAKER_00 44:31

Oh, this is coming out on Juneteenth, or coming out close to June 1915. Well, the day before, yeah, on the 18th. Oh. Okay. Well, happy Juneteenth, Note Takers. See, sometimes when the recording date is a little bit different from the actual airing day, I I I get I get myself all confused.

SPEAKER_01 44:51

But I'm great about my fourth wall. Call me Candace Diller Bassett.

SPEAKER_00 44:55

Oh, okay. Well, you know what? I need Eric. I need Eric.

SPEAKER_01 44:59

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