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The Cancelled Bachelorette Recap Episode

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SPEAKER_01

Welcome back, No Takers. This is Noah Aaron with the Honor Real No podcast. And this is Aiden, and I am not one of the contestants on the unaired season of the Bachelorette, season 22.

SPEAKER_02

And that's good for you because I don't think you want to have things thrown at you.

SPEAKER_01

I mean, I feel like if that transpired during filming, they would have shut that down earlier. That's that's true.

SPEAKER_02

That's true. It wouldn't have gotten this far three days before the premiere. Actually, we're recording this on what would have been premiere day. Um and the show has been.

SPEAKER_01

Which we should have been covering.

SPEAKER_02

That was the original plan for this week's episode. Yes. So actually, exactly. This episode took quite the turn in terms of planning because what we were going to do this week is we were going to watch the first episode of this new season of The Bachelorette, I believe season 22, um, starring Miss Taylor Frankie Paul from Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, Mom Talk, TikTok, all the bullshit. Um, she was gonna make her debut. We were going to watch the episode, then cover it. Um, but obviously plans have changed. This season has been canceled, and that's what we're gonna kind of be talking about today. We're gonna be going over kind of the background why this season was canceled, what happened, the incidents involved, the players involved. Um, we're gonna be talking about the actions that both ABC, Hulu, and maybe some other brands have taken thus far. We're gonna talk about public reactions, and then just kind of along the way, we're gonna give you our thoughts and opinions on it. Now, let me start by saying this is a pop culture podcast. We are not, you know, qualified professionals to be talking about um violence in the home and the law and things like that. So this ain't the broadfoot.

SPEAKER_01

This is this is not the Brockford Occupy, but we you know, I am qualified to speak about marketing and advertising. And you are qualified to speak about finance.

SPEAKER_02

So and I and I and I know Dakota ain't gotten in finances, but I can tell you that much.

SPEAKER_01

I mean, he has the he has the credit from this show, as Phaedra would say. That's true, that's true.

SPEAKER_02

His last acting credit. Um but yeah, so we're gonna be getting into it, but please offer us a little bit of grace if we maybe don't have all of the terms, right? If we don't have all of like the legal know-how. You know, we're um we're we're just like you in this situation. We're reading the shit on Twitter, and actually not on Twitter, we don't really go on there, but we're reading the shit on Reddit and Instagram.

SPEAKER_01

No, quite literally, I scrolled, I opened up TikTok. That was the first TikTok I saw from TMZ. And I was getting it fresh. It was like 14 minutes ago when I saw it. You know, fresh comments, don't have that much engagement yet. And I'm gasping seeing Taylor put the coda in his headlock, yanking on his hair. And that's when I immediately hit the download button and send it to you. So I don't even finish the video.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, no, you were just like, let me get this before it gets taken down because I mean on TikTok. Yeah, check out. They don't play about it. I do the rounds, send it.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. You know, so I'm doing the rounds and I send it to pretty much everyone I know that watches slow-mo. And I'm kind of like, uh, have you seen this? You know, like it kind of break it, breaking my day. And then I go finish the video.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. So I yeah, that's that's kind of where I was. I kind of like, I think I watched, I started watching it, and I think like as soon as she like, because she, and and this reminded me of like the Candace and Monique bike, because she grabbed him by the hair and yanked his head down. Like as soon as she grabbed him by the hair and yanked his head down and put him in a headlock, it was like, it was quick too. It was like a boom, boom, boom. Um, she's done this before. Um, you know, it was quick. So like at that time. Yeah, I immediately stopped to send it to my mom because I was like, oh, my mom is gonna be interested in this. Um, but yeah, basically the back kind of the background of the incident is that, and I think this is where some confusion comes in as well, because there was actually a recent, like a recent domestic violence case or allegations involving um Dakota and Taylor. They've kind of accused each other of being physical recently. Um, but this video itself is from the 2023 arrest where um there was a dispute, they got into it, um, and then a neighbor called the police because they heard Taylor screaming. Um, and then that led to what we saw basically unfold on this on the series premiere back in season one of the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. And I think people were getting confused because I think people thought that this video was the more recent incident. I know I didn't first for a second. I think I even asked you, I was like, whoa, like, was this from like the recent one or the old one? Um because I guess a few days before this video came out, there were reports coming out about Taylor allegedly assaulting Dakota, allegedly um strangling him with like a necklace or whatever. So, like, there were allegations coming out, and I think it's caused a little bit of confusion. But yes, this video, everything we saw on this video has technically been public knowledge. Like it was all in the police report. Taylor pled guilty to all of it. You know, it was all public knowledge, but this was our first time actually on probation footage of it. Yeah. Because before we only saw the body cam footage of her arrest afterwards.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, no, which was featured on the show. But no, since then she's been serving probation. That should end in August of this year. But no, there was definitely some confusion around which one it was. But speaking to the more recent one, they stopped filming because of that, and it's been reported that a lot of the women on the cast are trying to dis distance themselves from Taylor. Which leads me to believe they kind of got a heads up about this video coming out. Yeah. And they knew what was gonna pretty much go down as a result. I know. Which that should have been the bigger sign that her current show stopped filming.

SPEAKER_02

Right. That thing, yeah. I think and I think that also has caused confusion too, because I think a lot of people think that um the Secret Lives and Roman Wives paused filming because of the video that came out and you know went viral and everything, and not because of that separate incident. Um, but you know, I've I've seen a whole lot of clips of Whitney back in season one. I've seen that clip going against rounds about how brands aren't gonna want to work with us if we're throwing chairs and getting arrested.

SPEAKER_01

And I mean, you know, Whitney's Levit is the one thing she's about is her bag again to the brand doesn't have sponsorship.

SPEAKER_02

She says, Oh, we brand safe over here. Right. I mean, I think she's like, I'm uh especially now she's like, I'm on Broadway, I got things to lose. Right. I mean that. That's an at that time the only thing she had to lose was her damn rose toy deal. But now she's now she's got bigger things going on.

SPEAKER_01

Quite literally. No, yeah, because Whitney definitely has like the most to lose. And the rest of these women, I think I don't know, scraping their coins to g I don't think they're scraping their coins together, but they're definitely trying to make the most of those 15 minutes, you know? Yeah. Especially if the show like who knows what will happen with the show overall now. I mean, I think because it's at least set up kind of a co- like obviously it's Taylor's show. But I think Taylor and Whitney are kind of co-leads, or Whitney can be the lead if she needs to. So I think there's not as much of a drastic hit. But the rest one of the one of the other women are gonna have to step up a lot. Right. I'd be way more messy in their personal lives if to fill the gap of Taylor Frankie Paul, because that is just messiness that is just unknown to this dimension. Like she has 2000s reality star energy in 2026, which has unfortunately led us to to this.

SPEAKER_02

Right. That's the thing with Taylor is she has a very messy, crazy life, and it's like genuinely crazy. Like she didn't have to like make shit up or like produce storylines because her life is just ridiculous. She's got all kinds of crazy shit going on at all times, and she's also like she's very willing to show it all. Like, sh I like I've never like watched the show and felt like she's hiding things from us necessarily.

SPEAKER_01

Oh no, for sure. It's the exact opposite. I'm like, oh, you you really want to show this. And I don't think production forced you at all. I think you just like taking the nuclear option, and now you have cameras. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Oh my gosh. Well, let's let's kind of get specifically more into um ABC and Hulu's actions in particular, but I also want to touch on Cinnabon saying I'm not doing this anymore.

SPEAKER_01

They were like the first one, too.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, Cinnabon, they've been they've stood by these girls through a lot, but they're just done. They've had enough. Uh but yeah, so obviously, like you already mentioned, Hulu um suspended filming of season five of the Real Housewives, uh The Real Housewives, The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. These are the youngins, these are the youngest. I mean, they're all wives still.

SPEAKER_03

Most of them.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, most of them. Unfortunately, they they I I love those TikToks where it's like, leave your husband, leave, leave your husband. Um, because they all have to be. I mean, Jesse did. Jesse did. I think finally she she sure waited until the right day to announce it. She was like, you know what? Taylor's got okay, Taylor's got the spotlight. Let me just like slide this divorce announcement into the city. That was insane while people are busy. I think she really was like, you know what? This is this is great timing. Um which I respect. Yeah, yeah, no. I you know, I think Jesse, she's I don't think she gets enough credit. She's got a lot going on up here. She's thinking.

SPEAKER_01

Uh for sure. And she's setting up her beauty empire. Yeah. She's definitely like the business one. She's the back to knee, the candy of the case.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. That's yeah. I think, you know, people people claw on her a lot because of like her marriage and her sh and you know, her whatever. But you know what? I think she's got some smarts. But um, yeah, so obviously Hulu has pause filming, which, you know, honestly, good for these girls that they're getting a break because this show feels like it's been filming nonstop for several years now. Uh no, back to back.

SPEAKER_01

And it's confusing. Like I've said this when we covered Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, but the constant timelines and the girls, like the development of their relationships over the seasons. It's like because they're talking about the reunion. We see them getting ready for the reunion. So they're mad about stuff from last season, and then we kind of see that the reunion too, but they can't talk about what's happening on the next season. Yeah, it's just like a constant circle of things that I think they need to take a step back from. Yeah, and give the women some time to breathe. But I guess there's constantly something to capture in these ladies' lives, because right.

SPEAKER_02

Well, and it's just it it is always funny that me like like watching the current season, and then like a few episodes into the current season, watching they have a whole episode where they're talking about filming the reunion for the previous episode. This is nothing. I think I think it's and I think it's because we're just so used to the structure as well of like real housewives shows and stuff like that, where like it's there's like even if it's a short break in filming, there is like a break in filming, and they are like talking about last year in New York when you did this. They love saying that. Yeah, I think they do love saying they they make they love making sure we knew they filmed the reunion in New York City. Um and they had to travel.

SPEAKER_01

Sometimes it's a studio set in Jersey, but yeah. Just saying, just say.

SPEAKER_02

There you go. But yeah, obviously Hula suspended filming. Um, and then ABC, um, once the video, once the video came out, and that's the funny thing to me is the fact that like ABC, like y'all didn't do anything over the recent like physical altercation or whatnot, but like once this video from a physical altercation that y'all knew about that happened three years ago comes out and goes viral, now we're getting now we're canceling the season.

SPEAKER_01

But I'm like the details were in the case. It's not anything new.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah. But ABC, you know, they put out a statement saying that they're not gonna air this season and that that and basically their statement was kind of like, we're choosing not to air this season at this time. We want to focus on supporting the family, which I guess they mean like Taylor, Dakota, and their children. Um and then Taylor's team kind of put out a statement. What's funny to me is um when it comes to Taylor's statement, is people said that they don't think that her actual legal representative representative put it out because they sat they said, A, it sounds very chat GBT, like she like she popped that shit into the like she pumped a prompt in. But also they put that like multiple times in the statement, she described Dakota as jealous of her success and whatnot, which is probably not something that like a lawyer would put or a PR person would put.

SPEAKER_01

But yeah, I've seen similar kind of statements, which when I initially saw that, I was like, oh, this is you know, interesting. Right. I mean, I figured that would be the overall like approach or tone of it, but yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Well, I feel like that's kind of been Taylor's response in general and her team's responses, basically, and also her fans, but has been very much like Dakota's trying to ruin her moment, like this is all sabotage and everything. Which I mean, it's that could be true. I mean, there's a lot of things that could be Drew at once here. Uh like you could be crazy for throwing those chance, but he could also be trying to sabotage your moment.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Right. Especially like near the child, which I think was a big thing that a lot of people focus on. Oh, yeah. At the end of that clip, we do hear Evertrue, I believe, crying. Which, you know, very concerning.

SPEAKER_02

Well, no, I think in the clip it was her, it was her daughter whose name I don't know. That was with her first husband. Gotcha, gotcha. Yeah. Um, yeah, because at the time of the video, that was before she got pregnant with Evertrue. So yeah, no, she got pregnant on the show. You're right. That's the crazy thing, is like at this time her and Dakota, like they had just started like hanging out and stuff. Like they didn't even like have a child together. Like, and this and this kind of stuff was happening. I'm like, damn, this was early on in the in the dynamic.

SPEAKER_01

I know, and then her ex-husband, who barely associates himself with the show and all of this, you know, the circus as a whole, is probably like damn it, not everyone kind of sees that. Which has been reported that they were seen talking at the courthouse, communicating. And I think most recently reported that Taylor Frankie Paul has indeed lost custody, at least temporarily. So things are moving on the court legal side as well. But I think the actions were pretty damning. So yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Absolutely, yeah. And yeah, I don't know. It's just, I guess when it comes to ABC and Hulu, I was honestly so Hulu, not so much because I mean it was like in the middle of filming or whatnot, so they can kind of pause things, take a take a breather. ABC, I was really surprised, actually. Like I when the video came out, like I knew it was gonna be bad, but I did not think that by the end of the business day, ABC would have canceled the whole damn thing. Like I really didn't think so. I thought maybe at worst they would like delay it, like the premiere or something. Um I was actually surprised. I was really surprised.

SPEAKER_01

I don't think I was surprised at that point. I knew a lot of people were calling for it because pretty much like from the time the video went out. People were calling from it from the time that Mormon Wives had paused filming and all of that news was coming out. And I was like, hmm. And I'm sure conversations were happening as early as then. And I think with Cinnabon pulling out one advertiser, it's like okay. But to bring up the Whitney Willow quote again, what brands are gonna wanna support people throwing chairs? You know, have their brand be associated with that in this show. And you know, it probably was negative. A lot of advertisers probably were reaching out and then questioned, like, would it be even be worth it to run this show? Right. One I'm sure at the bottom line it was money. Because if it was profitable to run the show, or if it will be, they might put it out eventually. But also Disney, it's like in the grand scheme of the PL of an organization, a behemoth like Disney, it is like, you know, a blip. Because they say it's like about um, you know, two million per episode to produce The Bachelor.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

It's like 20 to 25 million, which you know's an okay loss. But it's also like, you know, the advertising loss, et cetera. But they could easily just go away with it, but I mean, I would like to see it, but I'm messy. I still want to see I Love Money Three.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Well, that's the thing is I saw I saw somebody post um Megan once a millionaire, I love money three, and season twenty two of The Bachelorette is the shit they I think they said it's like the forbidden bench.

SPEAKER_01

Truly the reality television lost the media of it all. I mean, I'm sure there's some more like crazy show episodes from the 2000s. I got scrapped a midway and have never seen the light of day. Well, I also know VH1 Sorority Sisters, the Divine reality show, has never seen the light of day after being scrapped. So Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Well, I've seen a But these are the major ones. Yeah, I've seen a few articles out there that are detailing that like for ABC that allegedly between production cost, uh loss in advertising revenue and things like that, that like it's a projected like 40 to 50 million dollar loss on this season, not like basically not airing. Um, which I don't know if that's true or not. That's just like some projected numbers I've seen. And what I've thought sounds about right. Yeah, like I mean, yeah, because I saw somewhere that they were saying that like each episode of The Bachelor and The Bachelorette, like each episode apparently costs like two million dollars to produce. Um expensive ass dates. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

I'm sure all that living, rigging production teams. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

What I mean, they and I mean they like film in nice places, they do nice things. Like it really, like they really do not skimp from what I've seen. And it actually kind of shocks me in the world where like that we're in now, where like pretty much every reality TV budget is getting slashed. It kind of surprises me that this show is still even around because I feel like it's not that relevant culturally anymore. Like, I feel like that not that many people will watch or care about it.

SPEAKER_01

I think it has its core fan base who really, really, really care. Cause I don't know. I I've definitely been around some people who still watch it, had Bachelor Nights. I see it posted around on my Instagram story. Okay. So it's definitely died down a little bit. I think there was like a hype period and you know, a bit of a resurgence. I think it definitely has been more culturally relevant. And they definitely had to cast Taylor Frankie Paul from another show outside of their.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

They're very like, you know, Bachelor Family, Bachelor Nation. So having the cast outside of that, I think, showed was struggling a bit. They needed a bit of a bum.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. And that was something I didn't know was that she was the very first Bachelorette to not originally be from The Bachelor. Um, I didn't realize that they exclusively pulled girls from that show for this show, but I mean it makes sense, I guess. It makes probably casting a lot easier.

SPEAKER_01

For sure. And then you can kind of have them build in a fan base, yeah. People excited to see them get their own dating show.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Which Flavor of Love kind of did this model. We saw New York get her own show. We saw Chance and Rio get their show from being on New York show. But you know, yeah, primarily that's how they've done the bachelor bachelorette. And that's how people are always like, oh, this person might lose and be the next one if they have a good personality. So it's also something like fans will speculate on and maybe get even excited about. Which makes sense.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

But they had a whole incremental audience because I was definitely going to be watching for the first time. I know that's the Taylor was premiering. Which I've seen a few episodes of Juan Pablo's Bachelor season, very random season. I checked on Reddit briefly to see how that season is perceived, to see if I got a good, you know, vibe. And apparently there was not. Apparently, he's like one of the worst. So I could give it another shot. I just remember being very bored. Yeah, no, I And it's like some, it's like two episodes a week and just date. So I'm just like, damn, this is boring. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

I am my mom used to watch The Bachelor and The Bachelorette and everything. So like I like I've seen bits and pieces. Like the most memorable stuff I remember is like this was like years ago. That freaking girl, Courtney, or whatever her name was, that was like the villain on her season. Because I guess normally on The Bachelor and whatnot, normally they don't really have like a villain, so to be like there's not really that like huge. Yeah, it's a little bit more, they keep it a little bit more cute. Um, but I guess this girl just people hated her. Like people hated this girl. And she ended up winning, which really pissed people off. Oh damn. But um, yeah, so that's why I remember, and it's funny because we've like said on this podcast so many times. We've talked so much about how like we are never gonna watch The Bachelor, fuck the Bachelor, we don't care about the boring ass bachelor, and we were so prepared to like eat crow with this episode, and like I guess we don't have to. Yeah, we were gonna cover the premiere and be like, you know, the power of Mormonism, four star hands, uh Mormon reality TV, you know, it's a powerful thing. Um, and we were like, we were even like kind of like, oh, should we like play clips about like should we play clips of ourselves, like saying we're not gonna talk about the bachelor?

SPEAKER_01

Um you definitely said it on episode one. Yeah. I'm very positive.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I feel like we did. We definitely said it multiple times. And yeah, I mean, we were gonna do it, but Taylor Frankie Paul just couldn't let us be great. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01

Right. Unless there's like a this grunto ABC Disney exec, that's gonna leak it on daily notion. This will never see the light of day. But I'm sure also like they probably edit and do things in post as they go, so I'm sure most of it is raw footage. Like maybe the first two or three episodes are like fully done packaged and polished.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

But beyond that, I'm not fully 100% versed on how these things work in Hollywood, but yeah. I'm sure And that's another thing. There's probably so many people like out of work because of this, which is upset. Upsetting. The guy isn't saying, you know, give our take. Right. Which the men did do a little thing with EW, Entertainment Weekly. Did you see that? I did not.

SPEAKER_02

So I've seen like I saw like um I saw an an like an anonymous thing from one of the men. Like, were they see what we were saying? This is bullshit. Like, I spent I spent money to be on this show. Like, this is not cool. Um, and I I saw a shady thing about how like somewhere out there right now, a group of male influencers just lost the bank.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, yeah. I'm like, that's a lot of better help and row deals that are not gonna come to fruition. Like, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

When I saw something, which is this always confuses because I just I've always been under the assumption that like if you're on a reality show, whether it's a company show, I was always under assumption. And like everyone gets a stipend or whatever. But I was reading somewhere that allegedly the men on the Bachelorette competing do not get paid anything.

SPEAKER_01

That's what I was thinking. They need a union. Yeah, I was reading. TV stars need a union. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

I was reading they don't get paid. And that actually the average cost of like how much they spend like to prepare for the show because they like they have they don't get warned over anything. They have to buy all their own clothes. They have to travel, they have to take home of work. That it can be upwards of like a$10,000 loss to appear on the show, like financially.

SPEAKER_01

That's what I've heard regarding the Bachelor and Bachelorette. Because you have to bring all those outfits in preparation. You want to be ready for TV. Yeah. Take time off work, prepaying rent and bills. And then sometimes you go home the first night and it's like, oh wow. Yeah, right. You're probably not going to get that many followers or anything out of it. So kind of like the risk you took, but no. It's definitely concerning. At least the guys just have to get, you know, a few suits tailored or something. I don't know about the woman you guys told, but like I'll tell you like 12, 13 dresses, and then bring all them suitcases. You gotta up your lip filler before you go. Right.

SPEAKER_02

You gotta do all do all the things. Right. I mean, it's it's like those drag race queens. They have to like they get all the runways ahead of the season. They pay their seamstresses and tailors and stuff and costume designers to make all these outfits, and they might go home episode one.

SPEAKER_01

Well, at least they have a purpose to use those outfits going forward on their careers. That's true. They can rey can still use them. They can still use them. I mean I guess these guys could use these suits, you know, on interviews in their careers. Right. And then, you know, the girls, hopefully they got invited to some weddings over the next few years. Like they got something in the back of the closet for that. Right.

SPEAKER_02

They got a little old gown, a little gown.

SPEAKER_01

Um, I would definitely be telling everyone, well, I was gonna wear this on the bachelorette if they didn't send me home the first motherfucking night.

SPEAKER_02

I would, because I've seen some drag waste queens who like got eliminated. I see some of them where they like afterwards throughout the season, like each week when the episode airs, they'll they post on social media, like, oh, this is what I was gonna wear for this runway. This is what I was gonna wear for this challenge. If I if I if I were on if I were one of these guys, I'd be posting like, well, this is the suit I was gonna wear for the seventh uh Rose ceremony. This is the suit I was gonna wear for the episode 10 rose ceremony. This is the suit I was gonna wear for the finale.

SPEAKER_01

I mean, I'm sure some of I mean I'm sure some of them can do this. Is the suit I wore in episode one. This is the suit I wore at the crib. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Well, yeah, and I wonder, I wonder, like, with the season being canned too, like, as far as the NDAs, like, what does that do for the NDAs? I mean, like, are they allowed to ever reveal like elimination order, who won, what happened?

SPEAKER_01

Right. I'm curious if they're like still forever bound to that, if it will ever be released. Yeah. But I do know this season was heavily spoiled. I think a lot of bachelor seasons are. Yeah. I remember seeing TikToks about like, I didn't see the spoilers themselves. But I saw a lot of content about spoilers being out and having to dodge them. I wasn't necessarily looking for them, but I know Bachelor Nation kind of has like a feign spoiler account, spoiler source that kind of always, you know, drops tea on the seasons, kind of will give you the final three earlier on if that's what you look for. I know I've definitely been there with Survivor and the challenge. Like the challenge, like they definitely have like a pink rose of the challenge, who knows all the challenge tea? All their spoilers and information. There's definitely like a bachelor version of that. And I don't know. Spoiler alert, but there there was somebody who was reportedly the winner's name, Doug. And he's kind of being the one who's most supportive of Taylor and saying, you know, it's her moment that got taken away. Which, you know, it's good that he's focused on her, but I think that's also clear that he has some care for her, and it's probably maybe they are in a relationship. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02

I don't know. I'm very confused. Well, I also saw something I don't that apparently like, and I don't know if this is true other because ABC, at least so far, has been very like kind and supportive towards Taylor and like how they packaged and messaged this. Um, but I have seen reports that like allegedly like they're looking into like going after her for breach of contract or whatever, like legally. Um, because uh I'm sure she did breach a contract. Well, yeah, because like she um well, because I know like we've kind of seen the trailers for like in the previews. And by the way, I have not watched like all of the Secret Lise and Warnerwise this new season now, I've only seen the first episode. Um, but in the little season preview or whatever, it looked like she was gonna like hook up with Dakota right before she goes to film The Bachelorette. Um, and apparently, and also the fact that she's kind of been like with Dakota romantically and linked to him since filming ended for The Bachelorette. Um, because my understanding of how that works is like you have to like, at least until the finale airs and everything, like you have to really sell that you are like in a relationship that you're not in a relationship with somebody else outside of the ship. Um so I have seen those rumors about breach of contract and that she could allegedly get in trouble with Hulu, or not Hulu. Um, I mean she could get in trouble with Hulu too, but ABC.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. And I'm not gonna spoil it for you. Just know there's another love interest that gets drawn into the mix before she meets with the bachelorette.

SPEAKER_02

I saw in the first episode of the season, I saw her pick up that guy at the airport.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, that is the end of that episode.

SPEAKER_02

I was like, I was like, why who is this man you're picking up at the airport?

SPEAKER_01

You will see more in the next episode. They will devolve more about that man. But you know, Taylor's a mess. And on top of that, I think there's definitely like a bunch of legal leads about morality clauses and all that. Probably. Yeah. Just know from my loose knowledge of you know, every reality TV interview I've seen, them contracts, lengthy, they I mean tough.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. And I mean, they can put damn near anything they want in those contracts.

SPEAKER_01

Right. Yeah. You know, Taylor signed it. I mean, I'm sure she at least has an entertainment lawyer now. Yeah. Yeah, but that's season one contract. I sh I'm sure she does sign.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. I think my thing with the holding with ABC, especially, is I feel like it's like y'all knew exactly what you were getting with this girl. Like y'all knew exactly what you were getting. Dakota at all. Yeah. And because like you I like I I saw somebody say um the status of dating now that there are 20 men or whatever competing for um a single mother of th of three with multiple baby daddies and an arrest record. Um but uh I think it's just like, I don't know. My thing is just like, and especially like before filming, obviously they knew about this assault that we saw in the video. Like they knew about that, and they still chose to go forward with her. They didn't cancel the show when the uh the CZM when these new assault allegations came out. Like it literally only happened once this damn video went viral and everyone got mad. Um which I I mean, again, I think a lot of times when it comes to people, like I feel like people just they have to kind of see it to really get pissed about it, you know. Like just hearing about it isn't a math.

SPEAKER_01

Um it's also like a police report can definitely simplify things. Right. You know, somebody through a chair can be they can throw it across the room, not towards you or their baby, but somebody throwing three bar stools in quick succession near, you know, a sleeping child.

unknown

Right.

SPEAKER_01

Well, because I mean you look at the thing. A little different. I think then Hillary Clinton's alleged, you know, angry throw, probably not towards somebody's direction, you know? Yeah. Two different same term, chair throw. Yeah. A little different.

SPEAKER_02

I mean, you look at um with dance moms when Abby threw the chair and everything, and how it got turned into a lawsuit. And because I mean, she didn't like she didn't throw the chair at Paige. Like she threw it in the room with her, but like it's still considered child endangerment, you know, even if you didn't target the kid. Um I know and the crazy.

SPEAKER_01

That's a good comparison.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I think it's like it's still it's still child endangerment, it can still get you in trouble. Um, because you're just you're doing the most. Um but yeah, like I don't know. I just to me, I and I kind of in general, I don't really like it when these networks and these institutions and these places, when they try to kind of play this horror, like not moral, moral high ground thing um of being like, this doesn't align with our values. It's like, will it align with your values when you cast Jen for a controversial? Like, you know, it's like um like they even say in their statement, in light of like this video, um, we'll be basically suspending the season. And it's just like, I don't know, it's like the same thing as like when the real households of Salt Lake City, like when they kept Jen Shaw on as long as they possibly could, like, even though it was so obvious she was guilty, it was like it was just like it was obvious that it's like y'all are y'all are casting someone with poor moral character. Um, you know what I'm saying? Like they kept her on for as long as they possibly could. And they yeah, they stretched it out as long as they could, and then they fired her and like disinvited her to Bravo Cont and stuff, and they were like, we like basically we're better than this. And that's like, no, you're not.

SPEAKER_01

Right? Just listening to a legal department or a PR department when things get dicey, but yeah, I think they know they're flying too close to the sun because you know, clearly the bachelor at franchise is dying. You can use this cross-promotion. But that is so huge on Hulu. They're trying to create this, definitely they're trying to create this reality verse. Because just like last few seasons, they kind of try to cross-promote Vanderpom Villa. This season, just it's not really a spoiler. You know, Alex Cooper's weak ass dating show, Alex Cooper's Love Boat or whatever. I've been seeing a bunch of I've been seeing people like mention it and talk about it, but no details of what the show is. I think it's like a ripoff of Love Island. She's the she's the call me daddy girl, right? I believe so, yes. That's okay. And honestly, which she gets mentioned a lot this season as well. So I think they're definitely that's the one they're trying to cross-promote. But you know, they're definitely trying to arrival Bravo and how there has the Bravo verse and bring everything under one. I think them trying to tie the Bachelorette and the Mormon Wives fandom was smart. But I do think they are kind of different incremental audience. Like one show was much messier than the other, that's established.

SPEAKER_03

Right.

SPEAKER_01

You know, it's also newer, it's more digitally driven, like it's not as, you know, formulaic. Like The Bachelor Bachelorette is one of the most formulaic established reality franchises in the game right now. Like people know what they're getting, the fans love it, ABC knows what they're doing. Well, it was a weird mix to begin with, and it's kind of what they get. I don't know. They could have easily given Taylor like her own dating show, not The Bachelorette. Right. Like, I don't know. I I still would have watched that.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. I I I would have, yeah. I think though, yeah, they definitely have tried to create their own little Guliverse, and Dakota none came in and Thanos snapped that shit and said nope. I mean, so we think. So we think. So we think, yeah, we'll see what happens. I mean, I do think at this point I think at this point it's final. I think they'd hold the show, we're never gonna see it. I would be shocked at this point if somehow it did still come out. I mean, maybe things can happen, but yeah. I think it's shelved.

SPEAKER_01

You know, it's shelved. I because I mostly think it's because I don't think the whole season is edited. I don't think they do all of that like ahead that much ahead of time. But they definitely probably want to adjust things on the fly based off like you know, audiences' receptions if something happens. So Yeah. They can at least teet us with the premiere or something. Or I do wonder what would come out about like what transpired over the season. If the guys will do tell-alls, like what you said about the NDA.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Like, will we eventually get more details? Will they start talking? Are they just like in forbidden? I mean, people eventually talked about I Love Money 3, but that was like 10 years after the fact. Right. And VH1 versus ABC.

SPEAKER_02

So Right. And that's that's the thing is I just I don't I don't know for sure how much the season getting shelved and not airing, how much that impacts NDAs. Like, I don't know if it changes the term. It probably doesn't, I would imagine. I'm sure there's probably like something, there's probably some kind of verbiage in there, like in your NDA about how like I don't know. For whatever.

SPEAKER_01

Regardless of the if the program airs or not, like something like that. Right.

SPEAKER_02

It's like, yeah, I'm sure there's something in there protecting them. So I think at the end of the day, if we want the tea, we're gonna have to wait who knows how many years for it. Because I think those CBS NTAs, I think they're long. Like it's gonna be long as soon as they last a while.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. At least seven years. Yeah. So I mean, that's the thing. It's like, are we even gonna care by the time this tea comes out? Probably not. Probably not.

SPEAKER_01

But no, a few questions arising from that. Do we think I guess each franchise individually, The Bachelor, Bachelorette, and then the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, do we think these franchises are surviving?

SPEAKER_02

Um I don't know. It's hard The Bachelorette, especially, it's hard to say because like you mentioned, the show's already kind of a dying show as is. Like it's very much like on its verge of like old yell or take it out in the back, you know? Like, I don't know. Like, people just it's like like they have their loyal fan base, but that's I feel like a loyal fan base is some especially with a show that's high budget, is not necessarily enough. Like, I think when you have like something that's more low budget straight to streaming, like House of Villains, it can survive off of like just having a loyal fan base of people that are gonna watch every season um and engage with it. But I don't know. The Bachelor and the Bachelorette. The thing is, I feel like the bat I feel like Bachelor Nation has enough shows and spin-offs and things that they could shelve the Bachelorette for a year or two and and keep the other kind of things going. So do I think the Bachelorette might go down in all of this at least temporarily? Yeah, it's possible, but I don't think Bachelor Nation as a whole is gonna go down from this quite yet. It's definitely not good. Um, Secret Lives and Mormon Wives, I think that will eventually pick up filming with or without Taylor. Um, it just depends. I personally believe that the women refusing to film with her is less about like a moral thing and more about a power move. I think that on that show, it's obviously been Taylor's show. She has a lot of pull. And you see that in the way that the girls don't really go after her in the way that they might go after like a Whitney or a Demi. Um, because there's been plenty of opportunities where it's like, oh, this could be a Taylor takedown season, similar to like what we see on House Bives, and the girls don't go for it because I think they're scared of her. Um, and the fact that she has pull, I really do. I believe that. So I feel like for them, this was the opportunity to be like, oh, let's push the bitch out. Um like I I really think I really think that the girls refusing to come with her is more of like a power move than a business move. I really do.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. I would say it's definitely a business move, but I feel like if they wanted to do a Taylor takedown, they like could have. There was enough ammunition. I guess. I just don't think enough of them have like the energy. Yeah. And Whitney is too busy. So Jen.

SPEAKER_02

I guess that's the thing. It's kind of Taylor, like it's kind of like you might have valid points for an argument with Dorinda, but do you really want to like step into that and deal with that?

SPEAKER_01

That's fair. And I think with Bachelor and Bachelorette, what's working for them is the format. Because you could easily take one of the guys from this unaired season, make him the next bachelor, and just keep it going from there. Yeah. And then Air that's like, oh, redemption season. He didn't get his moment. It was taken away from him and kind of built some sympathy through that. Right. I definitely think they could easily bounce back. I'm actually not so sure about Secret Lives and Mormon Lives. A Tailorless Secret Lives and Mormon Lives sounds boring. Especially if Whitney's just gonna be working the whole time. Because she Whitney obviously thinks she's above it and is trying to move beyond the show. So let's say Whitney achieves her dreams, a Whitney list and a tailor list Secret Lives and Mormon Lives. What are we watching? I think Maxie go to a point.

SPEAKER_02

I think they'll at least try it though. I think they'll at least try it.

SPEAKER_01

They'll try it. They'll try it. And maybe, maybe you know, Shania will step up. Maybe Layla will do more.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

I mean, maybe the producers will.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

I could also get more dad talk.

SPEAKER_02

But well, yeah, because I'm not sure how much of season five they've filmed, like how far into filming they are. That's true. But I could see them like picking back up cameras, filming the remainder of the season without Taylor, um, and then bringing her back next season after some of the heat has died down a little bit. Like, I guess in them doing something like that too.

SPEAKER_01

Because the show structure is more like following all of these women, less so like we need all these group scenes. So if Taylor's literally just like off somewhere, they could definitely film it and add it in. Similarly, because I'm assuming this season in season five, Whitney's in New York the whole time because she's on Broadway.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. That's like, yeah, no, that's like, um, I think Whitney's in New York. I think Jen and maybe even a few of the other girls are still like in LA and everything like that. So it's definitely not central to Utah in the slightest.

SPEAKER_01

No, we're just, you know, at this point, it's just we're following these girls. It still is their secret lives, but yeah, my thing is I don't think the cast is stronger without Taylor and Whitney. I definitely think Whitney is strong enough, but I think Whitney's too busy and her aspirations go beyond being on the show for five years. I don't I see her primary goal as, you know, being a candy barber. It's on a R H O A. She definitely wants to leave them girls in the dust and be shady about it in interviews five years later.

SPEAKER_02

Right. Well, yeah, no, I think Whitney hates doing the show, to be honest. But I think she understands like she really does, but I think she understands like what the opportunity is and how it and how she I think Whitney is honestly, I think Whitney and Jesse are like the two that are making the most out of this opportunity. I well, I feel like Taylor is like the one squandering it.

SPEAKER_01

Right. And the rest of them are like, they're doing like Macy make sure to get that book. Like, who wanted who really wants a Macy Neely memoir? Right. But you know, she got it done. She's doing the book tour. She's you know, I think the rest of them are getting at it, but you know, Jesse and Whitney are very, very smart. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

I feel like the other girls are kind of like, they're grabbing.

SPEAKER_01

They're also young too.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, they're grabbing like the quick coins here and there, you know. They're kind of like, like, oh, let's let's do it. But I feel like they're not necessarily setting the bricks down for the future like uh like Jesse and Whitney are.

SPEAKER_01

Which maybe now they're like, oh, this show might not last forever. But I'm sure it's also hard. Like they blinked, like I blinked in their own season, they're filming season five. You know? Yeah. Like the show premiered in 2024.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, right. It's insane.

SPEAKER_01

Like September 2024.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I'll tell you, it's it's it's less than two years, and we're already filming season five. It's just it's an insane schedule. But I guess Hulu saw, I mean, like it, it's I mean, the thing is, like, this show gets great social media engagement. You see it everywhere.

SPEAKER_01

I just hope that the girls at least banded together, demanded some money. I don't know if they jersey short it or they all like we all want the same money. I don't think Whitney would have gone for that. But I hope they at least get into the bag. I hope they at least got increased as the seasons went on. Right. They certainly deserve it.

SPEAKER_02

They do, they do. But then yeah, they they they they've given up a lot for this mess. Um, well, do we want to get into just kind of like the public reaction to this whole mess? Because it's been divided, interesting, crazy. I've seen a lot of think pieces on YouTube coming out.

SPEAKER_01

A lot of think pieces. All of our favorite peers, fellow cultural commentators, podcasters, tick tockers are definitely giving their peas. And I am I agree with that. There's not much, I bet there's not much unique to say anymore, but yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, but we we might as well get into it. I feel like there's definitely the reaction is very split in terms of like the whole Taylor and Dakota of it all. Like I literally see, I literally see on social media team Taylor, team Dakota, like this isn't like a domestic dispute situation. Um But I mean, people people are going there. People are very much making it um one versus the other. And I don't know. I feel like I feel like it's more nuanced than that, obviously. Like, I don't know. I feel like people, whenever like shit like this kind of comes to the public and everything, people always have to make it like one person is 100% wrong and one person is 100% right. And that's just not the situation I think we find ourselves in here. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

No, agreed. I think the domestic violence of it all is you know definitely adds a layer that's you know deeper and like very traumatic and triggering for a lot of people. But I think the frank of the matter is these people do not need to be together. I think they both have demonstrated abusive behaviors.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

And truthfully, my concern with I don't know these children, but this is the the general welfare of children in general. So just make sure these children are best set up and have the best support systems. And if they're if they're with Leanne, if they're with Dakota, if they're with, you know, Taylor's ex-husband. There's protocol there, because definitely not the most concerning environment. Taylor, I I want her to figure it out. Cause I want to root for her. Like she's rootable. Like she's, you know, she shared so much of her life so short, and I've you know, such a short time, I think it's become such a prolific reality star. Mm-hmm. So, you know, I do want to see that, but I want to see her come out on the other side of this. But you know, you need to learn, girl. Like similar to Karen Huger, it's like, yeah, let's take a step back. Maybe Taylor, maybe Taylor and Karen Huger can have a talk. That might violate both their network agreements, but God. You don't you don't care enough to give advice. And Taylor got Taylor got a mommy issue.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, Karen loves to help the young girls. Uh um, yeah, and I don't, it's just I see a lot of discuss, and my thing my problem is like a lot of the people that I see defending Taylor are defending her in a way that I think is like a little ridiculous, in the sense that like they want to like eliminate any accountability and kind of be like, oh, like I a big one I see is people talking about like reactive abuse and how like, oh, he definitely provoked and pushed her before recording this incident, which I mean he probably did. Let's be honest, he probably did. There's probably a lot that we didn't see leading up to this. This is this is kind of like the climax and the peak of the escalation of the fight, and we didn't see what led up to it. But at the same time, it's like like you fucked up. Um, like you You assaulted someone, you threw you threw chairs across the room, you one of them ended up hitting your kid. Like it's just like there I think that you can you can defend this person. Kind of like I mean, like you just did. I mean, that that's what they should be doing. They're like kind of just be like, yeah, she fucked up, and I want to root for her, and I hope for I hope the best for her.

SPEAKER_01

And I think, you know, one time is a mistake, but I think like showing repeated behaviors, it's harder to defend. And like Dakota is very hard to defend in general, which I think makes it complicated, but I think. Yeah, I don't know. I've definitely seen some Taylor supporters. I think there's more like a lot of people are like, you're making me defend a man. I've seen a lot of TikToks that lead with that.

SPEAKER_02

Like you're like you're pissing me off. Well, yeah, because I mean, like, who wants to defend Dakota? He's awful. Like, he's literally awful. Um, and that's the thing, is I feel like I feel like multiple things can be true at the same time. Like, he can be a victim of an assault and a form of abuse and whatnot, while also being an abuser himself, because he definitely like we've seen it on TV, the emotional abuse.

SPEAKER_01

Right, and just the bullshit. I'm probably trying to definitely trying to ruin her moment. But the fact that this video just came out is yeah, you know, very strategic. And people are definitely pointing and referencing that. Which I'm like, yeah, the get out of her show. I mean, it probably shouldn't have happened in the first place, but you had this video the whole time and it's just getting out now. Right. Are they gonna get out from the police? Like who leaked it? That's what I want to know. Maybe we'll find out on season five. Right.

SPEAKER_02

Now that's gonna be the that's gonna be the big guy because who leaked the video, and somehow, and somehow they're gonna find a way to blame Whitney or Debbie.

SPEAKER_01

Meanwhile, she's in Chicago working on her two stuff.

SPEAKER_03

And she was pretty pebbles with her husband. Oh my lord. Wow.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I I have seen, I feel like when it comes to the public reactions, I feel like the social media comment, like just like the general comments from the social media people, that's where I've seen a lot of the toxicity and a lot of the bullshit, to be honest. But when it comes to, like we mentioned earlier, like the think pieces, the videos that people are posting and stuff, I feel like those have actually been really well done. I feel like I've seen a lot of nuance in those. I've seen a lot of just like fairness and how they're kind of covering it. So I've been really impressed with that coverage. I feel like there's been a lot of sensitivity to like the topic. Uh probably a little bit more sensitivity than I'm offering today.

SPEAKER_01

But that's just not. I think we've been fair. I I think we spoke to it well. You you've definitely been more insane. You've definitely been more insane.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah. I feel like we, you know, if if you wanna if you want to hear some unhinged stuff, go back to before the video podcast. We were we were saying some things.

SPEAKER_01

You mean two weeks? You mean two weeks?

SPEAKER_02

Just like Wendy Williams, we got sanitized for air to be on television. Well, yes.

SPEAKER_01

Well, yes. They smoothed us out. They smoothed us out. Oh, and we're hoping with our smooth skin, we can get some skincare deals. Right. What's good, Susan Yara?

SPEAKER_02

But Oh, you know what the thing with her though is like, did do you remember the drama with her?

SPEAKER_01

No, I just know Natorium.

SPEAKER_02

Uh thing, yeah, with Natorium because that's like that's her brand, but she was promoting it like when it was first coming out without disclosing that it was her brand. Well, I did not know that. That was messy.

SPEAKER_01

She was doing founder's content online about it.

SPEAKER_02

That thing, yeah. She was like promoting it, like leading up to it and everything, and then like was like, surprise, I'm I'm the founder. And people were like, hmm.

SPEAKER_01

Actually, I think, you know, I can see where the idea kind of takes place, like, oh, this would be a fun gag, very YouTube-ish, but the audience probably felt deceived. Yeah. But it's probably now in the name of the marketing game, that's like par for the course. These celebrity founders being in front of the camera, yeah. These people, the CEOs or whatever just being on there. Like, this is why I did the brand. This is why you should buy it. Yeah. But uh, I feel like a lot of yeah, I told you so opinions are funny to me too, because it's like, what did Hulu expect?

unknown

Right.

SPEAKER_01

Like with the Taylor Dakota mess of it all. Which makes me like, did they want Dakota to storm in on finale day? Did he storm in on finale day? That's what I really want to know is like, was Dakota involved at any point? Like at this point, I'm gonna look up this boy.

SPEAKER_02

I hope not. I hope not. But that's my thing is I just feel like in all of this, whether it's Hulu, ABC, the brands, like anyone who's been involved with Taylor and this mess, my thing is I feel like all of these brands, these networks, these people, they want to employ these controversial figures to benefit from it. You know, they want the controversy, they want, you know, the craziness, they want to bring in the views and engagement from it. But then like the second, you know, shit gets a little too hot, they want to pull back. And it's it's annoying, you know, it's annoying. Because like I mentioned earlier, I just hate the moral superiority of it all, of like people acting like, or like these networks acting like they have some like level of moral decency. Um, when it's like, you brought her in in the first place. I don't know. It just, it's silly to me. And it's it's it's different if like, say, you employ someone and then something comes out about them that was not public knowledge that nobody knew about, you know, like I don't know, like some racist emails they sent came out, or some shenanigans they didn't came up. And then like you're like, oh no, we want to separate from them. That's perfectly acceptable to me because that's like, okay, like obviously you don't want that as you know, assign with your brand. You didn't know this was a thing when you brought them on. But with stuff with, I mean, with Taylor, she's such an open book that like all of her mess is out there. So I feel like if you any brands that choose to partner with her, any networks that choose to employ her, at the end of the day, like you got no one to blame but yourself. You gotta blame the bitch in the mirror.

SPEAKER_01

But right, I feel like initially, because VL Rest was so part of her introduction to the world, I'd be kind of like, not that she fully sanitized it. Well, we see her kind of like coming to terms with it in season one. Maybe that made her more brand safe. But now it's given repeated behaviors and also there's a lot of follow the leader in you know, the corporate world, business world, one brand do it. Everyone's like, oh no, maybe we shouldn't. We're the last brand doing it. So it's also like, you know, the crumbling of the tower of it all. Yeah. Which I'm also wondering if like they knew she was so involved with Dakota. They're filming Mormon Wives, so obviously they can probably I don't know how much these productions probably talk. Maybe there's no overlap, but there had to be some strong conviction that the Dakota of it all was underlying. Which makes me like, where y'all just I mean, it's the Bachelor Bachelorette. Maybe all the guys know it's fake, but for it to be that fake, we're not even like a glimmer of a chance of a real engagement. It's like one anonymous guy who was like, oh, this is a waste of time. I feel betrayed. I kind of this was set up with bad intentions. Yeah. Which he seemed to be one of the only more negatively toned ones, which I wonder if he like made it further and got invested. For the most part, a lot of them, I don't know, trying to keep it cute. Maybe they can get invited back.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

But you know, they're like, thankful for the opportunity, we're doing okay. It's unfortunate, that kind of thing. But I don't know, Peruption kind of played in their face. I wonder if these boys still get their payment or anything, or they're I don't know. Well, we were saying we were saying earlier we were getting paid. Oh, yeah, in general, damn. Can they at least send them some ties? Like, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02

Maybe a little merchandise.

SPEAKER_01

Maybe they can film a special just talking about.

SPEAKER_02

Right. Not not not all the men there without Taylor just talking about what happened.

SPEAKER_01

I mean, they gotta fill this airtime. This two-hour slot every Sunday. From what I heard, they're re-airing American Idol. Who cares about American Idol? Right. That's why I saw it too. I was like, not a rerun of American Idol. Maybe they'll figure out what to put in this slot or what to do, but two hours is also like a lot of programs. You get this three-thrown shit.

SPEAKER_02

Right, right. That's in, yeah, like you kind of I don't know. Yeah, it's definitely it's definitely a a huge damn mess. It's a huge damn mess. And I think it's gonna continue to get messier, honestly, before it gets cleaner. Um Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

What are your predictions going forward? What do you think is gonna be made up of this mess?

SPEAKER_02

Well, so I think that I think that the C realism more wise eventually cameras will pick back up. I don't know exactly how long they're gonna be down. I, as far as I know, they're still down at the time of recording this. Um, but I think they'll eventually pick back up. You know, season five will come at some point. Um, with or without Taylor, I don't know. Um, I think the Bachelorette's at the very least gonna go on pause for a while while its other uh shows in Bachelor Nation continue on. Um I don't with the Taylor in Dakota of it all, like I I'm not and I don't know enough about like legal stuff to say. Like I really have no idea like what the like how it's gonna play out legally as far as custody stuff, as far as like if Taylor's going to, you know, get in any further like legal trouble for the like the more recent assaults and things like that. Like I I can't speak to that. But I think you know, I think. Yeah, well, I definitely think for her, like I would say like I hope that there are people around her right now to support her to just keep an eye on her because I'm su she already has made it clear that she has you know mental health struggles, and I doubt she's in a good place right now with all of this going on.

SPEAKER_01

It's probably very intense, like the custody situation, sure every network and stuff is beating her down, she's losing money left and right.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. So yeah, I think I think it's gonna continue to be a fucking hot ass mess for now.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Which I don't know if we'll ever see Taylor on TV again. Or maybe they'll kinda like have season five up to where she stopped filming. Yeah. Maybe they'll edit her out completely. I don't know if people will be seeing it as platforming her or not.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Listen to Taylor. I don't know. She also has also like all the free reign to do like YouTube and whatnot. So I can see if she doesn't get on the show. I can see her. Well, one, there is a network, I think, out there that would give her something following this. A lot of people have had, I don't know. I mean, there's a lot of networks that we'll try to give her a comeback, whether it's like some of those exclusive streamers, whether it's Own. Well, I don't know if Owen does their scripted docuseries anymore. So who knows? But Lifetime, the Taylor Frankie Paul story. Like, I don't know.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

There are some avenues. But maybe she should take some time, go away for a couple years, be quiet.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. I mean, to be honest, I feel like other reality TV personalities have done worse than this and have come back. Some of them have some of them have done worse and haven't even left.

SPEAKER_01

Right, Erica.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah. So it's like, I mean, I definitely think like at least professionally, she can come back from this. I think that I think that as far as like building up to more mainstream, I think that's done for her. Um, like I'm just saying, like, I I don't think she can ever at this point have the trajectory that like Whitney's had as far as breaking out of reality TV. Like, I think she's firmly in that box now. Because it's just like she always has been.

SPEAKER_01

It seemed like that's been her aspiration. I don't know. Right. She never seemed to be angling beyond. Right.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, she at least pretended that she wanted dancing with the stars. Um, I think that was.

SPEAKER_01

She probably knew she was gonna be the bachelorette at that point.

SPEAKER_02

That thing, yeah. I feel like I feel like the bachelorette was kind of like her opportunity, though, to go to like maybe like a classier show. Um, and I don't think she's gonna get another one. Built her profile, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

So Taylor.

SPEAKER_01

But you know, I don't know. Dakota's probably gonna be talking, stay on the show too. Ugh, I I really I'm I don't want to see him anymore.

SPEAKER_02

Like, I I don't really want to see any of the dad talk. That's an honest honestly, yeah. The men are all pretty odd. Like, funnily enough, Connor's the only decent one.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah. And he's I like that Jesse's husband doesn't show up too much. Or see, no, or is it Macy's husband that's always in the car? No, not Jesse's husband. He's like, I think it's Megan. Macy's husband. He just be he just shows up in the suit in the car, and I'm like, okay. Jesse's husband, Jordan, he loves a camera. Yeah, no, he loves starting shit.

SPEAKER_02

I'm like, no, Jordan, that's why he got divorce papers. Ooh. Yeah, no, I can't stand Jordan. He's the worst. I'm like, honestly, I'm glad your wife cheated on you. You deserved it. I wonder what Marciano thinks of all this. Give us what we deserve, which is five stars, views, subscriptions, all of it. You know, wherever you're watching or listening to this. Uh, if you want to keep up with us across social media, we are uh on TikTok, we're on Threads, Instagram, we're on X, we're on Blue Sky, we're on you you may be watching us on YouTube right now. Like we are just all over the place. Like, you know, we're we're not on Facebook though, because we're we're you know, not 50, but um but you can find us pretty much everywhere else. Period. And y'all have a wonderful rest of your day, and you know, read the Book of Mormon or something. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01

Or read Macy's um memoir. Or don't. Um