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Bravo Premieres: RHORI S1 + RHOA S17

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SPEAKER_02

Welcome back, note takers. Here we are again for yet another episode. And this week we are getting into the recent Bravo premieres we had with season, what do we know now? 15? 17. 17. 17. I don't even know my numbers. Season 17 of The Real Housewives of Atlanta. And season one of the newest Housewives franchise, the newbies, The Real Housewives of Rhode Island. Which, yes, random locale, but I'm kind of loving it. I'm into it. I'm into these girls.

SPEAKER_00

Right. And I I like I like the I like how committed they are to replicating New Jersey and reheating their even covering the whole damn state.

SPEAKER_02

Well, I mean, yeah, it was definitely giving lots of Jersey vibes. But we'll get to the Rhode Island girls. We're actually going to start with the Real Housewives of Atlanta because they've been here longer. So we're going to give them some vet priority.

SPEAKER_00

Absolutely. Yeah. So I feel like, you know what's funny is there's been a lot of hype and buildup to the new season of RHOA coming back and everything like that. But I kind of like in the last few days, I forgot like how soon it was upon us. It's like, oh shit, they're coming back this weekend.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, no, that was me with both Rhode Island and Atlanta. I knew that they were both coming because we had planned these episodes. But I took my call and I was like, oh, I actually missed the Rhode Island premiere live and had to watch it on my DVR. But I caught the Sunday episodes and I was surprised they went with a double whammy for Rhode Island. I don't know what kind of programming block that they had, but you know Bravo likes to have some new house fives every week, no matter what.

SPEAKER_00

So well, and you know, I I told you I was I was a little bit pissed off about that. I was like, two episodes of Rhode Island and a Miami ain't filming. What's going on? Well, they have to get the show out now.

SPEAKER_02

Well, they have to get the show out. I suppose, I suppose. But Justice for Miami. I'm I'm it's not I don't want Miami gone either. You're blaming me.

SPEAKER_00

I don't make casting decisions. I'm not blaming you. I I know exactly who to blame. I'm I'm going straight for Andrew Jerome Cohen. Darrow? That's what Karen calls him. I'm aware, I'm aware. But yes, so uh the Reals of Atlanta. So obviously, I mean we actually not that long ago for Black History Month, or no, actually it was right after Black History Month. We did um an episode just like kind of discussing the legacy of the Real House of Atlanta and the history of the show and everything. So if you want to go listen to that, you know, feel free. It was a good one covering uh the years, how we got to 17. Right, how we kind of got here. And you know, I was kind of leading up to this, I was curious as how it was going. I was a little bit nervous for the show because I feel like, especially in recent years, every year with Atlanta, I feel like people get really hyped up for it. And then it seems like people get disappointed by it. And I think it's hard because Atlanta, well, I think Atlanta, you know, it's hard for those girls because when you look at like Atlanta at its best, at its peak, that was like housewives at its best and at its peak. So they're constantly fighting against a really high bar, and it's almost unfair because I feel like Atlanta's worst is some other franchise's best, you know?

SPEAKER_02

I know it's definitely hard to choose the fill, and I think production doesn't really know. I think they're struggling to find a new leader in the cast. And they're struggling to find new women who could, you know, could stick consistently with the cast. We're seeing some sticking now with Drew, but yeah, really it went for a while from Atlanta from such strong rookie debuts and the foundation of the cast with Phaedra and Portia and Kenya. And then we got some some duds. So nobody who's really had staying power till now. So they kind of have to keep building up these new girls, and yeah, and I think a lot of franchises get to this point, but Atlanta specifically seems to have a lot of turnover with the core, the core sponsors.

SPEAKER_00

When I think they just like in the last few years, it feels like every time it feels like they've been unlucky. It feels like every time they're kind of starting to get back and build up and things are going well, some bullshit happened. Like last season with, you know, our trigger happy girl and our and our poster board happy girl, you know? Like those two girls kind of fucked up the bag for the season. Trigger happy, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Right? And I don't know if Britt was ever good, you know, fit for the show. It seems like she didn't know what she was getting herself into. Yeah. But even last season already, like, did they need to do a soft reboot? I don't know. I'm of the camp that Elena had enough like decent gems in the rock from their new girl and cycles of friends that they they could have done more on the development side rather than keep trying to find somebody new. Yeah. Not that I don't want K Michelle. I appreciate some K Michelle. And I like Angela. You can keep Kelly in the waffles, but I would still visit the restaurant.

SPEAKER_00

Are you sure? I mean, Drew visited and she couldn't even get served. Well, it was closed.

SPEAKER_02

That location was closed. Yeah, I mean, I hope a location is open. I mean, you know, we tried to go to bar one and one thing.

SPEAKER_00

I mean we weren't able to. We'll get into it because I mean Kelly had some thoughts on our new girl, Pinky Cole, and I I was kind of like um like Kelly, I don't know if I'd come for her. She actually has successful restaurants. I mean, for now.

SPEAKER_02

For now. I mean, there's bankruptcy was filed. It was all over the press, Noah. Oh, well, you you know what?

SPEAKER_00

You know, I'm here to spread vegan propaganda. That's true. You are a slutty vegan. I am a slutty vegan. Absolutely. And I liked that little net, like that little funeral hat she had on. I don't I don't care what anybody says. Pinky was something.

SPEAKER_02

She was definitely comfortable. Like, you could tell with some people, like it takes them a while to like kind of get into it or get adjusted with the group. I see how she got the spot because she kind of fit right in.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

She didn't you didn't hear a lot from her in this first episode, but she definitely like felt comfortable, like at the table. She didn't look out of place. She was, you know, giving her opinion when she needed. I think she actually stopped the fight and kind of settled down some arguing, which you know, that's Cynthia's job. Right.

SPEAKER_00

Well, and production might not like that. But uh, but um, let's just get actually let's just get right into the girls in the cast this season, honestly. Let's just talk about it. Um, yeah, obviously with Pinky, one of our new girls. Um, she was kind of giving me like she was kind of giving me like a little bit of Kim Field's flashbacks as far as like compare, I think just compared to these other girls, I feel like she's a little more like regular, you know, and I don't mean that as an insult at all. I mean just like a little bit more like chill, down to earth. You from like the glam perspective. Yeah, yeah. Like she wasn't coming in in a damn cost, which is kind of like the standard these days, which that could I don't know if that's like necessarily just her in general or just being attributed to this being her first season.

SPEAKER_02

Um but yeah, no, she's like she should have coins. Yeah. Yeah, I know. That restaurant done expanded fast, but we we see the headlines, but we don't know the true story, so I haven't been able to access the books, so I don't know what's going on with her finances or you know the company. But I have yet to visit a location, but I would love to. We were supposed to go to the Brooklyn one when you came over to New York, but our schedule was tight.

SPEAKER_00

Right. We had a lot of ground to cover in a very short amount of time, and you know, we we we were serving Mary Kate and Ashley a New York minute.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, it was a New York minute. But yeah, no, I I appreciated some pinky. I like what she had to bring, but it wasn't a lot in her first episode. I really don't have much to say. Yeah. I was excited seeing her added to the cast because I always love getting an entrepreneur, somebody like self-made who has something to themselves to speak about and bring. And especially like in Atlanta, such a prolific black woman entrepreneur who has essentially a household brand, I think was a great get for them. Especially in lieu of like candy. Yeah. And I don't know, I guess I mean Atlanta's kind of known for its food, even though their food gets very memed for so they want to throw a lemon, pepper, and hennesy and everything. But I think we have a lot of restaurateurs come across the Atlanta of things. Between, I mean, if we count Peter as a legitimate one, he can count. But Candy, Kelly, now we got Pinky.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, why did it? I feel like Atlanta in general is the most like, and it kind of always has been, the most like business-minded cast. Like I feel like all the other shows usually have at least one girl that's on there that's kind of like that, you know, the Bethany, or the, you know, just the whoever, the Vicky. Like you kind of always have like that one kind of business-minded girl get into the bag. Um, but I feel like Atlanta is kind of an exception where it feels like most of, if not the entire cast, is made up of pe of girls like that.

SPEAKER_02

And I think that's like the City of Atlanta stereotype that everyone's an entrepreneur, everyone's getting to the bag. Right. And it's funny that Potomac tries to kind of mimic it, but they're more like little hobby pop-up businesses that don't really sustain past a few seasons versus Atlanta people had some institutions. Right. Except Cynthia was cycling through some things. It was always Bailey this, Bailey the. A Bailey agency.

SPEAKER_00

I mean, Kenya didn't have her iconic scene there, so yeah. That thing, right? The Bailey Agency has given us, you know, a little something something over the years. But speaking of Cynthia. Yeah, she got to open the episode. Right. I was like, okay, who's I mean, who's set the screen? Who's at the TV? I think I um that's my thing with Cynthia, is I love that Bravo is always gonna give her a little something. Like, whether it's this, like kind of getting to be the opener for like this season, even though she's a friend of still getting to be an opener. That's cool. Or her little like pop-ups on other shows like Beverly Hills and stuff like that. Like, Bravo is always gonna have something for Cynthia. Right?

SPEAKER_02

And I appreciate her insight in her podcast. Like her and Cynthia, I mean not her and Cynthia, her and Crystal Minkow probably talk like the two most boring housewives and do all together, but something about them together, like the neutroness of it all, gives you a good, I think, behind the scenes read into like how housewives work, how other housewives interact with one another. Because they're not really two who are gonna go out of their way to kind of demean or drag other housewives. So it's very impartial. It'll be like I mean, as impartial as one can get. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Right. And yeah, I don't know. I think one thing I worry about with Cynthia though is, and maybe maybe she doesn't care, like maybe she doesn't want to be a full-time peach holder again. But I feel like she keeps doing all these gigs for Bravo and she keeps accepting the friend of role while still like and like last season, she was doing a lot of the heavy lifting in the early episodes of the season and everything. I feel like I'm like, Cynthia, if you keep just doing all their dirty work for them and accepting the friend of role, you're like, you're never getting the peach back. They're gonna keep you there.

SPEAKER_02

But maybe she doesn't want it, or she likes the flexibility because you definitely get the film less. You don't have to film those solo scenes, you can just pop up at the group scene. So maybe she appreciates that level of flexibility. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00

Right. Well, that's like Marisol on uh Miami from like what I've kind of heard over the years is that she could be full-time if she wanted to, but she likes the the freedom of being a friend. Just slipping her cohes in her confessional, not having to kind of share anything. Kind of like being at all the events, but kind of picking and choosing like which events she wants to do the heavy lifting at and which one she doesn't.

SPEAKER_02

Well, I would appreciate that. I mean, the money is less, but you don't really spend a whole season talk about a friend of husband, you know?

SPEAKER_00

Right. Well, I think adds like if you don't need if you don't need the extra cash, then why not?

SPEAKER_02

Right. And then let's get into our other newbie while we're here, Miss Kay Michelle, which I want to ask you, how familiar were you with the our good sister K Michelle?

SPEAKER_00

So unfortunately, I was not that familiar with her because I am not like really a love and hip-hop person. Um, I've seen like clips and moments and everything like that. I mean, I'm probably more familiar with like Jocelyn and stuff like that. Um, but I I think everybody knows who Jocelyn is. Yeah. Um, and the thing is, I had heard I've heard the name Kay Michelle many times over the years. Um, I I remember Funky Deneva and Jocelyn get it into it. I remember Funky Deneva being like, K Michelle's got two albums, a single, and this and that. Where's your music? Um Jocelyn up.

SPEAKER_02

Um, so I has he heard Doom Cha Cha? Has he heard Doom Cha Cha?

SPEAKER_00

Maybe. I don't know. I don't know. I should ask Funky Deneva. We're close friends. Um but um but yeah, why you were Fox Soul? Yeah, I've definitely heard the name K Michelle plenty over the years. Like she's kind of been in obviously a lot of conversations. I did not realize like how extensive her music career was. And unfortunately, like going into this, a lot of like what I had heard about her was not positive because I saw a lot of the fans like basically once it was rumored to Michelle basically being like, oh, she's gonna bring it into love and hip hop and she's gonna declass the show. I'm like, first of all, Portia declasses the show every time she opens her mouth. Um, and she's been on the show for a long time.

SPEAKER_02

Years, yeah. You know, I definitely saw the same sentiment with Kay Michelle. I didn't like watch too much of Love and Hip Hop Atlanta. Yeah, I was more of a love and hip hop New York and Hollywood because they had much shorter runs. So not a lot to binge, but definitely was familiar with Kay Michelle, her contribution to RB music. I'm not gonna lie, I don't know where I've been, but this country rebrand put in, I had no idea about it. It's new to me. But I support it. I support it. Oh, was she on beyond she on Cowboy Card or the Raw?

SPEAKER_00

No, no, no, and the premiere, she said that Beyoncé like reached out to her and like good, good. She deserves. Yeah. She got the flowers, she got the flowers. Yeah, she's got a Beyoncé cosign.

SPEAKER_02

And I'm sure she got the little baby photo that people don't know how Beyonce got posted to her website.

SPEAKER_00

Well, one thing it's like, and one thing not a lot of people get a Beyonce cosign. Right? Right? I feel like, especially since you know, Normani, she's been extra careful about giving those out.

SPEAKER_02

Unfortunately. We'll see if she ever acknowledges Mono from Cat's eye, but that is neither here nor there.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_02

I will say with Kay Michelle, they're definitely trying to make her like a thing. You definitely she was positioned in the forefront. We opened the episode with her and Portia, kind of talking, recapping, and she's giving her life, introducing herself. So I'm definitely like, okay, she's a preferential rookie, or just because like we're likely more familiar with her. Right. But you know, definitely I'm open to giving her a chance. I will say it, the confessional was funny talking about this is like a Tyler Perry to play. There's a woman in a white wig. It was funny, but the confessional style was a little love and hip-hop. I don't know how familiar you are with their confessionals, Noah, but love and hip hop confessionals, they're very animated. You're usually standing, waving your arms around. It's a little over the top.

SPEAKER_00

I have seen clips before, and I mean I've seen, you know, the burrito eating Jeff. Oh, yeah, me, me. Like, you know, I I've seen some clips before that, yeah. And I know it's kind of like Big Brother, where it feels like they're like really hyped up and saying some like slightly producer-fed lines and everything. Whereas like I feel like housewise confessionals are typically a little bit more conversational and a little bit more mythical.

SPEAKER_04

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00

But, you know, I that thing, yeah, I I I kind of could see that with her, but I definitely, but now that you've explained kind of like the love and hip-hop thing with it, I can see why like you're going from like one reality show where it's kind of like it's a transitional period where you're kind of figuring out how this one works.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, for sure. And I actually, actually, not to jump to Rhode Island too early. I noticed the same thing with Ashley from Rhode Island because she was on The Bachelor.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

But I just noticed that her confessionals had like a not a weirdness, but I'm like, this feels different from the other girls. And I'm just like, oh yeah, she was on TV before. This translates well. But yeah, I think for both of them, it's just their reality television pass preceding them. Because those two shows have defin definitely opposite tones, but different tones from Housewives.

SPEAKER_00

Right, exactly. So they they're kind of coming in with experience, but not in this particular field. And like it's kind of like I feel like having that reality TV experience, it can be a pro and a con. Um, but yeah, no, overall, I enjoyed K Michelle in this episode, and I really didn't see any of this and maybe I'm speaking too soon, but I didn't see any of what people were concerned about. Like, I'm like, she didn't really bring like I think like a certain type of trend. Like, I felt like she fit in fine. Right. I feel like also like Mona Scott Young produces her shows very differently. Right. When I I I did I remember she didn't meant on this episode in her introduction, she did mention like you know, people on other shows trying to bring her down. Um the house came a show. Should I go back and watch that? I mean, it was seasons of stuff with her. I don't even remember off the top of my head, but I think was everyone against her or something on that show.

SPEAKER_02

I think Jalsa was the big villain, but people are definitely trying to tear you down. Right. But she definitely spoke about like Atlanta as a whole, which I thought was interesting, how it was like a shady city, a lot of backstabbers, a lot of bad energy in Juju. Which we don't really see people talk about the city as a macro like that. It's more so like other group of women. So I like how they're kind of exploring that because it really is like Atlanta famous, like it's a thing. Right.

SPEAKER_00

Well, I think, yeah, and I feel like Atlanta is such like uh, in some ways, infamous city and everything. Like you kind of hear so many things, and I feel like it is I feel like it's such a it's such a big character and of itself, and there's a lot of potential there. Because you see like with the real houses of New York City how much they lean into New York City, and you see with like Beverly Hills how much they lead into the Beverly Hills, and even the new, you know, the new kid on the block, Rhode Island, they lean heavily into the location.

SPEAKER_02

Well, girl, they have to go set the scene. Otherwise, they're like, why are we in Rhode Island? Well, that season one of Potomac, but they have to keep hammering the point home.

SPEAKER_00

Right. Why are we in Potomac? Um, but some of our returning girls, I mean, I feel like nobody on this cast I necessarily have like negative feeling towards. You know, like I'm not I'm not always the biggest fan of Porsche. I appreciate what she brings to the show, but I personally don't like her that much.

SPEAKER_02

It's not that I dislike Porsche, it's that I don't think she's a good central cast member. I don't think she can carry the show. I've said this on our show many times. So I'm sure you're sick of hearing of it. Like she just can't. I I just think there's a level of like critical thinking and on-the-level like movement that you have to adhere to. Yeah. That you know, Porsche just doesn't have. Yeah. I don't think she needs to be put in that position. She's always got something interesting going on to kind of deliver in group scenes. Like, she played her role in it. She's a great reality star, but yeah, to be that central person carrying the cast, you either need a very strong supporting cast or like to be very strong yourself. And I'm not sure how good this supporting cast is. We'll see. Like, individually there's pockets, but yeah, I don't know. The strength of the cast is not what I'm excited the most for Elena this season, but I think there's enough opportunity for the dynamics to be interesting, and I am very interested in like how Pinky and K Michelle integrate.

SPEAKER_00

Right. I think we're gonna see some, I think we're gonna see some growing pains with Pinky and K Michelle as they kind of try to enter the group because this is not necessarily an easy group to infiltrate. Yeah. Um, I think that with Portia and Shamia, I feel like in this episode they were really setting up because they both kind of seem to have this vibe of like clearly the fallout is still falling out, but like they had this vibe of being very respectful, like this is between us, we're not bringing this to the group, we're not gonna talk about it and everything. I feel like that's gonna be kind of like the slow burn of the season where it's gonna like lead up to it, to something popping off, um, or maybe them making up, I don't know. Um or making out, or making out. Yeah, I mean anything's possible, of course. Um literally, yeah. Speak speaking of which, I I found it hilarious that we like were introduced to this man in this episode. And the thing is, I haven't even bothered learning this man's name because like I'm like, what does it matter? We already know she's gonna have the stud. Here's right.

SPEAKER_02

And we we see it in the preview at the end, because I'm like, I realized that halfway through, I'm like, wait, but she's with when is that gonna happen? Who is this man? And we get in the preview. I'm like, this poor man. Right. At least I was cackling though, because she was like, I have bad luck bringing men to this group. I'm just like, yeah, you kind of do. Yeah, yeah. I thought immediately to like what where was that trip? Jamaica, Puerto Rico? I think I think so. You got a freak, you got a freak. That one man we never saw again. This guy seemed to have a better experience, even though they were clawing him at the end, he making an address like he paid a mortgage in her ex-husband's house. And I was like, he didn't make a toast like he lived there. That was crazy. I think this head, he thinks he's the head of the house. I love that little compilation scene of everyone kind of whacking him. Oh that was a great way to tailor and wrap up the episode.

SPEAKER_00

I mean, I feel like these ladies, I feel like these ladies, they're not gonna take like it's like Portia's not taking this man seriously. Why should they? Right?

SPEAKER_02

You know, Portia's just walking around with him, like, you know what? I need someone to bring that. We had to film an event, so which pretty much the all-cast event that ended the episode as per housewives editing rules. Yeah. And Portia threw like a couples party, so everyone had to bring somebody, which was the point of contention as Shamia's husband, Gerald, did not show up. And Drew's friend, Black, is was on via FaceTime. And Drew did admit that she still has a a man living under the staircase. Which set me in that language, but Ralph still being in the basement is insane. I thought that agreement had like an end date. I don't know what's going on in Fulton County Court or whatever county they live in. But someone's check on that.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, somebody, somebody, uh I don't I don't know if I need to call them like a wellness check or like what I need to do. But I don't know. Do you do you think she do you think she goes down to the basement to sing that song to him sometimes?

SPEAKER_02

I hope so. I hope so. I hope she padlocks the door and checks her fridge. Ralph seems like he'll take grapes. You know, I take grapes.

SPEAKER_00

He seems like he'll take grapes. I'd be kind of pissed about that, especially if especially if they were like my cotton candy grapes. Ooh, I love cotton candy grapes. I like them strawberries too. Um, I was gonna ask you, what do you think of Kelly? Because I don't really like her. I mean, like, I don't I don't dislike her, but like I'm not like I'm just like I'm like, okay, whatever she's on screen.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, it was like last season of The Girls, Angela was my favorite, and then obviously Brett's uh. I could take or leave Kelly. Yeah. Is truthfully how I felt then. I thought she was fun in the beginning and then kind of like fizzled out. And then she kind of introduced her husband's stuff, which was compelling and real. But now that's gone. So I'm just like, okay. She's definitely, I haven't written in my notes. She's definitely the castmate. I fear I'll forget halfway through the season. Like, oh yeah, Kelly's here. And it just reminds me of you know I'm on new uh New York Kristen when she got that random second season. And then everyone's like, why are you here? Why? I feel like it might give that. I hope not. You know, I want to see the waffle lady do the best, but it's giving Kristen's second season on Roney.

SPEAKER_00

That's it. I um all I really remember about Kellyan's episode was A, like her daughter going to college, and which I mean, which I mean that's that's lovely. Um, but also then Portia calling her short stack, say, I'm gonna deal with short stack later. Portia ate that. Portia ate that. I think Portia and her confession because she I was calculating at her talk, she was like, You're not gonna, she's like, You're you're antagonizing me. Kelly was like, no, I'm not. Bugging her in her confession, be like, You Porsche was like, I need to be a good hostess, but I'm gonna deal with short stack later.

SPEAKER_02

I mean, Kelly would just be an inquisitive. She was being inquisitive. Right. I don't know about antagonizing.

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Right.

SPEAKER_02

But you know, she had that little scene with Shamia, which I was like, okay, are you the replacement Porsche? Are you both trying to because I don't I don't want to say they're the two most uninteresting cast members, but they're the cast members who I think shine a lot in group scenes. Yeah. And but I was casting at that scene when Shamia had a bottle of champagne for them both each. I was like, I want to drink with Shamia. I want to drink with Shamia. That's a good thing. I'll take some good champagne too, nothing cheap like the old girl on Rhode Island brought it.

SPEAKER_00

So you know it's expensive. And I don't know. Like my thing is there's just something about Shamia where I like I really want her to be like a top-tier housewife, and it's just not happening yet. And I don't I don't know if it's gonna happen, but I hope it does. Because I I don't know, I really like Shamia.

SPEAKER_02

Right? I don't want to subscribe to like Shamia doesn't have star power because that seems mean, but yeah. I think maybe Shamia doesn't have star power.

SPEAKER_00

I think part of it is I like the I like the wealth porn that she brings to the city.

SPEAKER_02

I do like the wealth porn. And I I'm intrigued if nope, you're right. And I'm intrigued if the wealth gets blown up. If somebody you know does a deep dive and if there's more fraud. You know I love if I have to go, we have to go get an auditor or somebody else to speak about if you gotta pull up court documents in the episode, I'm very I get very intrigued. So we'll see what's going on there. But I do think the long build of the Shamia Porsche relationship is compelling television from like a long-term storytelling perspective. Yeah. So she has that going for her because it's like if you're invested in the show and have been watching for you know 17 years, 17 seasons, like you're intrigued by it.

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Right.

SPEAKER_00

What's and yeah, and it's just like their their friendship, it just runs so deep it, you know, is it's pre-housewives, it's you know, I guess it's like it it's the kind of stuff that like we like to see, I think. Because not only like them falling out, but just like getting like more information, the dynamics and everything in the history.

SPEAKER_02

You know, it's more real and definitely like relatable. Everyone has fallen out with a friend or two, so you know, not everyone can go on a yacht or go wherever these ladies go and gallivant around and get into fraud, but we've all fallen out with somebody.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, speaking of fraud, we had Phaedra here this episode and she was and she was starting up. Lying already. Lying already. She's been lying.

SPEAKER_02

Lying already. And I knew she was lying right away. Talk about I contacted the arena, this dude, the arena, they gave me the tapes. I'm like major the state barbarita, the home of the Atlanta Hog. They just gave you Phaedra Park's tapes all willy-nilly. Like you the biggest, most powerful lawyer, lawyer in the state of Georgia.

SPEAKER_00

And you heard and you heard the audio crystal clear. That was such a bad they were clouding her in the confessional already, like, oh, she must be powerful. Right. I know. I think Kelly called her a uh what's Kelly called? She called her a big mama jamba or something, mamma jamba. Something like that.

SPEAKER_02

And the producer is asking, like, oh, did you the producer? The producer's asking, like, oh, did you really see the tapes? And she's talking about, you know, I asked. I asked for that. Like, that is not seeing the tapes, right? She's like, I asked for them to be reviewed.

SPEAKER_00

It's like you had audio and video Phaedra from the state park arena. It's like I can I can I can ask for the I can ask for the security cameras at my my place of employment to be reviewed. That's not the same as me watching the footage.

SPEAKER_02

I can ask for the cameras from the standard hotel elevator when Salons beat up Jay-Z. I got to. I think I'm gonna get that.

SPEAKER_00

Well, you know, we we gotta review those. We have to review those. Um but yeah, I feel like Phaedra's just gonna be doing what Phaedra does this season, you know. I feel like the thing with Phaedra is she is predictable. Like in a way that like she's predictable and unpredictable, I guess. Although I guess like not even unpredictable anymore, because after what she did to Candy, like we know that there's not like a bottom to how low she'll go. So like with Phaedra, it's kind of like you kind of know what to expect to a degree. Like, she's gonna do what she does.

SPEAKER_02

And I think Phaedra also gets the advantage of some long-term, long-term storytelling here with just seeing her sons being so grown. Like, I gasp, like, no way Aiden going to pra when he was born. They were born or homecoming, or whatever dance you go into taking a date. Right. Talking about Phaedra needs to date Drake. But yeah, he's rich. And Phaedra's like, we're rich. I'm like, are you? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

I mean, rich enough, I guess. Like that. She is richer than me, definitely richer than me. Let me shut up. But I mean, you know what?

SPEAKER_02

She's before Phaedra calls her friends out at the city and gets our podcast delisted.

SPEAKER_00

Right. But I think she's also a lot more likely to be indicted than you for something.

SPEAKER_02

That's true. That's true.

SPEAKER_00

Drew Sidora, who is you know, yeah, I was gonna say she's she's uh she's a number one charting artist in your household.

SPEAKER_02

I do love me some Drew Sodora. And you know what? Her sister Allison follows us on Instagram, so I don't think so. I I love Drew extra for that. So shout out to you, Allison.

SPEAKER_00

Right. Thanks, Allison.

SPEAKER_02

Hope she didn't unfollow us.

SPEAKER_00

It's been like a year or two, but she knows sometimes people go open.

SPEAKER_02

Sometimes people do a social media cleanup.

SPEAKER_00

Ryan, God knows we were not good with the Instagram maintenance until a few weeks ago. So Ryan, I know. Check out our Instagram, it's getting pretty lit over there. Um, but yeah, uh Drew, I mean, you and I actually we talked about this when we were talking about um, when we talked about Atlanta before, like I've talked about like Drew. She's not like at the top of my top, top, top, but like I do appreciate Drew, and I feel like she has in recent years been one of the better like newbies on Atlanta to join the cast. Like I feel like she's really and she's really just like shown out well for herself, like as her kind of now that she's kind of got a little bit of time in and everything. Like she's really like established herself well, she's handled herself well, she's given us moments, she's given us storyline. Right, you know, like I yeah, she just I think she fits in perfectly.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Yeah, I think unfortunately Drew comes off a little, I don't know, unrefined. There's just something a little bit chaotic there. That's just like like you know that one girl, she's so pretty, but it's like, you know, her her dress a little too big or something. Right. That's just giving me Drew Drew. It's just like a little unfiltered, a little off-kelter, but I like Stan. Yeah. Yeah, no, for sure. It's something like that's like the realness and the authenticity. Yeah. Obviously, I knew her from her time on the game, so it's like, oh, a childhood name. I've, you know, recognize on the housewives. I'm officially that old. I knew her from white chicks.

SPEAKER_00

But you do not recognize her. You do not recognize her. Yeah, no, I did not recognize her right away. But she um, well, I and I think the thing with Drew, a part of what I appreciate about her is especially now that she's been on the show for a few years, I feel like part of what I appreciate about her is that she hasn't drastically changed since she came on the show. Because I feel like same stunt queen. Yeah, especially for like girls like her that kind of do come off a little bit more authentic or rough around the edges or whatever. I feel like a lot of times that's them their first, maybe second season, and they really like clean it up and kind of get a little bit more fake and like a little bit more produced and rehearsed and whatnot. And I feel like she hasn't succumbed to that, and I really like that. That's part of what I enjoy about watching her eat to this at this point, even still.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, and I think that's the difference between her and maybe where Mia went a little bit too far with the antics in the production and the style. Because I would say Mia was similarly, although maybe not more refined, but maybe put more effort into appearing it.

SPEAKER_04

Right.

SPEAKER_02

And like, you know, up-leveling herself. Right. But I think the same level of like chaos and off-kelteredness like Mia possesses, but Mia went a little too far with it.

SPEAKER_00

Right. I think that's I think that's like where a lot of a lot of housewives really fall into that trap when they knew. I feel like what it is is either if you're really well liked and really well received for like certain things, I feel like then like kind of someone like Mia, they like double down on like that shit and they like take it like up a hundred levels to the point where it's just ridiculous. And that's the thing with Mia is like the kind of stuff that she got dragged for is also what she was getting praised for initially, but she just took it too far.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Um, but then there are other housewives I feel like that they get dragged their first season, and it's like they take the audience reaction too much to heart and they just try to change everything to the point where they're just so inauthentic.

SPEAKER_02

Which Wendy gets accusations of.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. I mean, yeah, Wendy kind of shapeshifts every season to a degree.

SPEAKER_02

I'm not gonna sit here and deny that. But um, I'm Drew overreacted though with the whole Shamia thing. I don't know where or how that escalated. Right. But the Drew, you're doing a lot, but at least somebody getting something started because the episode was a little boring. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00

It was a little boring. It was very tame, especially for such a well, I mean season 17, you know, such a well-established franchise. And the fact that like this cast is not that much of a shakeup from last season. You know, if it's like a huge shakeup where it's a lot of new girls and stuff, I can understand like easing it in a bit more. But because of how many returning girls we have and how many ongoing storylines and situations we have, I didn't expect it to start off quite this slow.

SPEAKER_02

Right? I think it's because they're unclear what the alliances are, maybe. Because I wasn't sure like what the friend groups and alliances truly are right now because everyone kind of knows everyone and is cool. It's gonna be like episode one of like a survivor all-stars, and everyone's to like pretend to have their pregame alliances and whatnot, where we're waiting for some snake shit to start for the games to begin. And I think the season will hopefully get more interesting once everyone kind of has their sides and is doing their things because you know Phaedra's gonna go be a snake and Cynthia's gonna be on both sides, right? And Charles Oakley gonna say something, and it's just gonna, you know, it's gonna work out. Well, I was gonna say I just had a random thought about your last thing about some housewives doing too much. We should call that Brandi Glanville syndrome. I feel like she was the originator.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, yeah, no, she she's yeah, she like took everything that people loved about her and made people hate it. Um but um yes. Speaking though, uh people kind of having things on the side and doing whatever they want. And so transition. Yeah, so let's talk about my girl Angela. I like Angela. I love Angela. I don't know. She's my favorite newbie boxy. But I like her. He he's I can't help but cackle at shit he says.

SPEAKER_02

It's like a funnier Peter Thomas.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, like the thing is it's funny, but I'm like, sir, don't embarrass your wife on TV.

SPEAKER_02

Right? He don't care. He's gonna say whatever. Angela's kind of sitting there, like taking it, like, oh no, I don't. We have the whole open intro, like, her, I don't care. I don't care, I don't care. Right. I'm just like, girl, you do, but you're funny. But then we can clearly tell that you care, Angela. And it's like, I want to support you.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Yeah, no, Angela, like that's the thing. It's like I like her, I don't like her husband kind of embarrassing her on television. But I guess it's at the end of the day, though, is like if she's gonna just deal with it, then I guess I have to deal with it too. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02

Like, it's like I can't that that's that's her problem, not mine. Um I hope your plot and your exit. That's what I say when I see these bad marriages on Housewives, like hope the show is making you get to your bag, you're setting up something on the side, and yeah, you know, you're setting yourself up for success. Because only Housewives divorced where I didn't really want them to win was Ashley Darby. So and you got your dream because she really didn't win. Um you ain't got much, you ain't got much. When Charles said I would have played with Ray Charles and Stevie Wonder, I was cocking, so I have to pause the episode because I cannot agree. No, but no way this man said he would have led them to a championship. Those two blind men. He's a piece of work, he's a piece of work. Oh my god. But that's a kind of like quips that he says so quickly that you can't help but laugh at. But definitely like a jokester takes life very unseriously, and good luck, athleticism, and money on top of that. Poor Angela. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Poor Angela. Angela and her iconic 90s nose. I love, I love I ever since ever since they shaded her though last season. I I just I like I like her nose.

SPEAKER_02

She has, yeah, and she has always like a good energy. I don't know, it's like the way she speaks. Some housewives, I just like from their first ten tents, I kind of like that. Which like I I have to say about Ashley on um Rhode Island for some reason. I'm just I don't know why. Yeah. Some housewives have that first impression approach. You're like, I would fuck with you in real life. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Think about parasocial here, but yeah, sometimes it's just like her energy. She kind of has that poise and she kind of speaks to the level of like authority. I'm like, oh I I would I would listen to her. Um right if she was talking, I'd take it seriously. I I'd sit up.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, if she were your TSA agent, you'd get online, you'd fall in line.

SPEAKER_00

Exactly. Yeah. The moment she asked for my ID, I would be like, I don't know why, but I could picture her as a TSA agent. I don't know. I could just see her in the outside. I could, I could, I could see her. No, to the left, to the left, to the left. No, I I could see her being I could see her being like, I could see you giving her your ID and her being like, this is expired.

SPEAKER_02

Ooh. Now I have more sense to bring an expired ID to the airport. You know me and my check.

SPEAKER_00

Well, no, I'm not saying you, but some people. Oh. I got a little defensive there. I not I'm not that now I I I know you're I know you're I know you're well traveled. You have to say it like that.

SPEAKER_02

Like like 80. That you're not biracial. That you're not biracial. Which I am not, in case you're asking. Oh maybe I am. Oh, I don't know if they're curious now. I don't know if they're curious.

SPEAKER_00

Are you? They always ask if I'm biracial. I'm just kidding. Everywhere I go.

SPEAKER_04

You know, I mean, you look about as black as Bren from New York, so well.

SPEAKER_01

Um formerly from New York.

SPEAKER_00

I don't think she's I think they're because they're rebooting it again. I don't think she's on the show.

SPEAKER_02

Uh there's been so many new housewives in the last two, three years. They need to have been real girlfriends. They're gonna reboot it as many times as they have to. Right? Some of these women should have gotten the real girlfriends of Paris treatment. I'm sorry. Yeah, right. Right. But not these girls are Rhode Island because they deserve a housewives monikers. Whatever they're holding.

SPEAKER_01

What are they holding? Are they holding anything? I was not. They need a clam, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02

Don't they hold a clam?

SPEAKER_01

Okay, okay, okay, okay, a co hog. It's giving real housewives a co hog.

SPEAKER_00

Yes, let's get Bonnie on here.

unknown

Right.

SPEAKER_02

Bonnie gives me walls out of a reunion.

SPEAKER_00

I don't know why. She would, she would.

SPEAKER_02

She made it. I told you the bitch was walking out.

SPEAKER_00

Um, but yes, the real house of Rhode Island. So this is an interesting one because ever since it was announced, I feel like the moment it was announced, like question marks. Like people were like, What? The real house of Rhode Island?

SPEAKER_02

Uh I mean, would that not be your initial reaction? That wasn't. And the fact that it wasn't even like for me being an East Coaster, having lived in Massachusetts, I was familiar with Newport. So I thought that, oh, I'm assuming they're gonna do Newport, old money, beautiful houses. So I was like, oh, Cranston? I guess I didn't know Rhode Island beyond that. So when I was like, it's not Newport, I kind of checked out. But it makes sense because it seems like this neighborhood is the more like new money-ish kind of energy, which is usually what we get on housewives, because the old money, you know, prestige and skeletons in the closet, which is the real reason. Don't let the prestige lie fool you. But that's just me. It's a bit from Long Island just talking.

SPEAKER_00

Um, but yeah, I and I feel like leading up to this, especially with New Jersey being off the air now for a couple years, um, I feel like this show kind of had a lot of pressure on it because I feel like a lot of people ultimately do view it almost as a replacement, like a potential replacement for New Jersey. And it kind of has me worried for New Jersey because people like this show. Um, I'm kind of worried those Jersey girls might just get shelved permanently at this point. Right.

SPEAKER_02

Because it has the same kind of energy, the accents, the vibe, yeah, the familiar relationships. So and they're starting off strong with this drama and the scandals. They do not care. So New Jersey might have found its replacement, especially because like Jersey in the 2010s is kind of like what Utah is now. It was the it was up the times. You needed a Utah show, you need a Jersey show.

SPEAKER_01

And now that's kind of not really a thing anymore.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, when I think that Jersey really like kind of ended on a whimper in its last couple seasons. Um and I feel like over the last, because I think it's been off the air for like two years now or something. And since it's yeah, since it's been off the air, I feel like Bravo, like they keep swearing it's coming back, they're testing, they're casting, they're looking, they're doing this. But like it's always like half at it feels to me like Bravo has intentionally been delaying Jersey specifically to see how Rhode Island does, does. Because I would believe that. Yeah, because I feel like had Rhode Island just bombed and flopped out right off the bat, I feel like that would be like a I feel like things would be moving forward fast on Jersey. But I feel like now that Rhode Island seems to be getting momentum already, it premiered strong, it's doing well, um, people are liking it, you know, that could be bad news for Jersey. Right? It could definitely be bad news.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, and I feel like Jersey kind of set itself up over indexing on Teresa. When you put so much, you know, pedestal on Teresa, it's a similar problem to what I feel Atlanta is facing, that like, yeah, who was the next gen of this show?

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

There was never really an answer beyond Teresa.

SPEAKER_00

Right. Absolutely, yeah. And I feel like people just got sick of just well, especially with their insistence on keeping Melissa and Teresa on for as long as they did. Like, people just were over it.

SPEAKER_02

Right. And if you feel the need, give them their own show. Don't be tired, can I have seven seasons? I'm sure there's enough of a fan base for Teresa and her sister-in-law go do something, you know?

SPEAKER_00

Right. Absolutely. But let's get into make sprinkle cookies. Sorry, Rhode Island. Let's get into cookies of Rhode Island, our clam holders. Um I don't like that. But I I really like this cast, honestly. I really do.

SPEAKER_02

I I do. I think they're all showing up well as a cast. I don't really have like a favor yet. I don't know if I'm gonna like stay. Although I am gravitating towards Ashley, but yeah, I have a feeling she's not gonna be a major player. She gives me like eating and reacting like candy burrows. And sometimes that's what you need, though. That is that is what you know. It's a it's a great mix of the cast. You need a Greek chorus. Like you need somebody to be like, these bitches are insane, which is really what her confessionals are. But I always love the Greek chorus versus on a reality show, but that's who I would aspire to be if I was would ever subject myself to production.

SPEAKER_04

But yeah.

SPEAKER_00

I think just based off of the first two episodes, my the ones that are kind of stepping forward as potential favorites for me are Liz, Joelan, I think you don't like Joel. Yeah, and um Alicia. Okay.

SPEAKER_02

I I would say Ashley's in first place, but it's a bit of a tie for me between between a lot of those. I like what a lot of them bring. Rosie's my least favorite. Rosie. So I'll put Kelsey a tier above. Not that I dislike her, I think she's like an interesting story. Yeah. But it's just, I don't know. She gives me like a white Porsche. I get very much white Porsche vibes. Like, I feel like if the show was on for 17 years, she will live like eight lives.

SPEAKER_00

Right. Yeah. Now the thing with Kelsey is she um, because like when they were first kind of introducing her, I thought it was like, oh Lord, here's an Ashley Darby. Um but then like I quickly realized when it was made clear that like she's fully aware of like exactly what her situation is, what her guy is doing, what's going on, and she's doing her own thing and she has her own plans. I was like, oh, this girl's got a lot more going on up here than Ashley Darby ever did.

SPEAKER_02

Right? I would say Rola seemed like an Ashley Darby.

SPEAKER_00

You heard to lose it off stuff. Yeah, unfortunately. Yeah. Rula as beautiful as she is. Yeah, and the thing is, like, when I saw, because Rula wasn't in the first episode. She's she came in in the second episode, um, just like Ashley Darby did. Um, but when we saw the preview, when I like after we watched the episode for a season, uh episode one, um, and we saw the previews for episode two, I was like, oh, I think I'm gonna like Rula. And then she came in and she came in weak. She came in weak and stomped on by that man.

SPEAKER_02

Stomped on by that man. Tell Liz that she's not a real mother, which was crazy. And Liz don't go play by her stepbaby. Like I could tell that from like watching. She doesn't even call them her stepdaughters. I think she just refers to them as her daughters, truthfully. Yeah, so those daughters don't play about that.

SPEAKER_00

She's raised them. Since they were little. And yeah, I'm just like, it seemed like Rula didn't really know what to do, like when any pressure came from Jo Ellen.

SPEAKER_02

Um she didn't even show up to the all cast. I was very excited, like, okay, we're gonna see Rula and Joel interact. They're gonna be the first all cast all cast. So I'm hype. Know that Rula don't show up. Yeah. Is she gonna quit midfilming? Are they gonna it's giving like things out?

SPEAKER_00

I don't know. Yeah. I could see it. I could see it. And Joellen is like our big bad of Rhode Island because it's it seems like everybody's got a story about Jo Ellen doing something too. Right. And she really got the music when she walked to that last scene.

SPEAKER_02

When they walked to the sprinter, she got the villainini music. I'm like, okay. If it wasn't clear already, Jo Ellen is the villain.

unknown

Right.

SPEAKER_02

It kind of does rotate around, like, yeah. There's a core group that all kind of know each other. Liz is kind of one of the anchors of the cast. She knows, like, she's like Chelsea's old boyfriend since like he was young and they were in school together. And she was friends with Jo Ellen's older sister Jennifer. And that's kind of like the core of how everyone knows each other. And it's kind of from there. Yeah. You have Ashley, she was a bit of like the outsider perspective. Rosie wasn't like in their group, but she was on the local news. I think she was the weather girl. Yeah. So she's kind of known that way. I loved her a little bit about like everyone's grandfather loves me.

SPEAKER_00

I don't get a compliment from a man 50 plus, and my day is bad. I'm just like, that's funny. Right. One thing. And I also loved when she invited the girls for her little picnic on the beach. Like before they got there, she was making content. I was like, okay, girl.

SPEAKER_02

She would get to the bad. She was getting to the bed.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, no. Rosie's Rosie's something else to me because like I feel like she just, it seems like she's determined to make problems for herself and then like and be like, well, I'm gonna I'm gonna keep on trying to truck along. Like, who are you smiley on flavor of love, girl? Get up. I get up. I know when she brought Joel in that fucking bouquet of fireworks and some champagne. I was like, girl. Adol is still calling it cheap. I'm just like, I'm like, girl, this girl does not like you at all.

SPEAKER_02

Yo, the fact that she's trying so hard that she was crying I was kind of like sympathetic towards her. Then she started crying. I'm just like, which I get, it's hard. I'm sensitive. I'd be crying. Yeah. You've seen them we watch that all. And but I'm just like, this random girl who you know don't like you, and you're on a reality show. It's like I'm like the villain's coming at you first, and then that's good. You be get you get in the year screen time. Right, take it. And you might be the main adversary. That's like a star on role. Right. Maybe Rosie wasn't up to it. Yeah. I don't know. I'm intrigued by her, but I'm just like, yeah, she's kind of annoying me so far. But definitely like has her reality TV like quips. Like I wouldn't say she's not qualified for the show. Like I would say they all kind of get it. It's just kind of weird, a little crazy. Like how quick things are moving, how they're like, like that one scene in episode two that started off with Rilla's introduction with Liz and um Kelsey, and they're all just throwing out accusations. They're like, oh, Rilla, we we heard, and Rilla's kind of talking around it. And Liz is like, no, I said I saw the picture that Joe Allen sent me of that girl sitting on her lap.

SPEAKER_00

Well, and like and like Liz showing up for for lunch on the damn boat sent me on the damn jet ski. I was like, what the heck? I liked her.

SPEAKER_02

I liked her. And I do like that. A lot of them have like there's a lot of like a business entrepreneurial tie here too. A lot of them have businesses. I saw someone, I can't, I'm sorry, bad journalistic journalism, bad podcaster integrity, but I did not keep track of who owned what business. I'm sure we'll figure it out eventually. I know Ashley's husband has a coffee shop, they don't make no money because she keeps talking about it.

SPEAKER_00

I know she's not on my and then the way I Ashley talked to her husband in these first episodes, like, girl, are you trying to get him to leave that?

SPEAKER_02

That scene was sending me because he's like, order for Noah, order for Noah. And she's like, and then that bitch, Joe Ellen, was like, and then we, I don't know if we're gonna have an all cast moment. I don't know what she's doing. And he's still like, yeah, babe, yeah, babe. Do we have any simple seraph? I was like, this is so chaotic. I don't know if it was scripted or not. I'm just like, that man is busy, my love.

SPEAKER_00

Right. Um, well, yeah, and I don't know, Rosie. She kind of gives me. I was I'm sorry, I wanted to drive back to this, but Rosie, she kind of now I think about it, she kind of reminds me of Brynn a little bit from the from the Rony rebuild. I see that. The big hair, the brunette. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Like I kind of I think brunettes. Ooh. The fact that we have like Dolores' clone, we have Dolores plus Carol Radzawell, and then five brunettes. I'm just like, wow. No, I was Are the blondes gonna act oppressed over this? Are they gonna point it out? No blondes? No blonde what uh yeah, Rosie. I see the Brun comparison. I definitely see that. Why is her hair so big?

SPEAKER_00

I really enjoyed our wackier uh castmates, Alicia and Liz. Alicia just like, she's just so she's so funny. Her family is really funny. Um her fucking when like when her family showed up and they were like they had to drive like 15 minutes to her house and they were like, we have to pack a lunch for this. And then I'm like, damn, is she the Wendy of the Cast? Yeah, they're like, why do you live so far away? And it's like literally 15 minutes away or whatever. And and they're and they're like talking to her husband, they're like, and they're like, Billy, when are you gonna do this? Billy, when are you gonna do that? Throw her up against the wall, Billy, I'm hungry. Like she, like Alicia just has that colorful family that makes me really think of like Jersey and like their kind of family dynamics over there, and how and like how kind of like the recurring family characters are like almost as recognizable as like the main housewives.

SPEAKER_02

Right? No, I hope that we got you know some memorable side characters, like Rosie of New Jersey. Yeah. The only ones we care about.

SPEAKER_00

And uh I really like that anymore, but yeah, I think Liz was the biggest standout for me though in this two-part premiere because like she's just she clearly has like a kind of like a domineering role. She's the matriarch. She's very like strange. Like her behavior and her mannerisms are a little weird and kooky. Um and she's really funny. She's compelling. But I also like there's just something about her, and I told you this before we started recording. I feel like stuff is gonna come out about her because she seems nuts. Like she seems crazy. Like, I think maybe she's just high all life. No, maybe she has some verve. Well, maybe. Well, I mean, her her and her husband her and her husband, they do have it's like a cannabis thing, right? Yeah. She was all with the weed line. Um, but yeah, no, she I just feel like stuff is gonna come out about her that's gonna be crazy. I just I'm feeling it in my bones. I mean, that's part of the course of the housewives cast nowadays.

SPEAKER_02

So if it's her, I wouldn't be surprised. And the words no, you heard it here first. You did hear for you. You're you're making a bold prediction early. I don't know if I'm gonna throw fraud claims on anyone quite yet. But I don't know about Rilla. But I mean, she they have the jewelry, she's collected to the jewelry industry, they have crazy margin, so it's probably good money. Yeah. But what was I gonna say?

SPEAKER_00

You don't know, you're not in my mind. Right. Well, and then um, and I think obviously, like we mentioned Joan kind of meaning the villain, she's like very she comes on strong. And on top of that, though, while she comes on strong and kind of aggressive, she also like was immediately very vulnerable, kind of bringing up like her dynamic with her mother, that she had a very complicated childhood with her mother, and like it's it's a weird thing going on there. And I was kind of surprised to see her be so vulnerable about that, like right off the bat, especially because of like how strong and kind of antagonistic and like aggressive she comes off with the other women. Um, I was like, oh, okay. I was like, you you are already a very dynamic character here.

SPEAKER_02

See, I saw a bit of the opposite, not that she's not strong, but from like that first picnic scene where she's like being mean to Rosie, it felt so like put on to me, kind of like middle school mean girlish. Oh, for sure. I'm just like, what? It felt so big. I'm like, are you even a real mean girl? And then once you got to the mommy shit, I was like, okay. But I do, I do, you brought up a good point. She was a little bit more earnest about it. I was gonna make a Giselle Bryant comparison with her and how she's navigating this cast, but she's already more openly emotionally than Giselle has been in like six, seven seasons in two episodes. Can't quite say that, but I think the parallels into how the cast moves around them. It's definitely people want Jo Allen's approval, they want to be in her midst. Yeah. But does she get crazy? Does she start turning up at the mouth? I want to know. Is it more like Jen Sha? Is it reputational? Do people just like fall in line? Like, I see everyone else saying it, but I'm not seeing like the why. Right. Which Giselle, at least she was like a bit older than the average cast mate and like has her old sorority ties, but I'm not quite seeing why they're all scared of Joelan when it's positioned as um Liz as well.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, it seems like everyone's center one, and yeah. Right. It seems like everyone's got a story about Joelan, though, because she she is she is the big bad of of Rhode Island. Um Rosie's still trying. Right. And we also have Dolores here as a friend of, which at least in these first two episodes, like she kind of appeared pretty minimally. Um, it almost felt like she was just there for us to acknowledge, like, yes, her and Liz look uh almost identical.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. But you know, Dolores don't turn down a checks. Yeah.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

And that's good for her because she won traitors, but just uh agreeing to appear on the shelf.

SPEAKER_00

That was the best strategic move she made all season. Right. One just like if this kind of does end up replacing Jersey permanently, like if Jersey does get shelved, I'm happy that Dolores has somewhere to go. Right.

SPEAKER_02

Her little summer rental.

SPEAKER_00

Right. I know. I really I don't buy their whole narrative that like Dolores just summers all the time in Rhode Island. Right? No, girl, they bought that for the show.

SPEAKER_02

But it's fitting. And I like if the show continues to film on this pattern of like filming in the summer, I think it'll highlight Rhode Island kind of best. Like, God, right. If those girls film the winter, it's gonna look real dreary in Rhode Island. There's not much going on. It's a small state. Right.

SPEAKER_00

So they need like the you know, the outdoorsiness, you know, the the boats, the well, and all the events too, because it seems like there's all these like really great parties in the area in the summer and everything. Oh my god. That's like the busy social season and everything. So yeah, no, I think they I think they picked a good time of year to film. I hope they stick to that schedule. Um, but like overall, I guess two episodes in, oh, and I was gonna say earlier, because like we talked about how these girls like got right into it. It kind of reminded me of how Salt Lake City started off like right off the bat in their first season, where it almost felt like soap opera-ish. And it almost felt like because like I always say that like Salt Lake City when it premiered, it almost felt like a parody of The Real Housewives. I can see that. Everyone said that. Yeah, everyone's just on, they're in their roles, they know what they're doing. Like, and like, and just like in this, like the like the storylines of like of like um Kelsey and her sugar baby situation, and these girls kept saying polygamy. I'm like, I don't think y'all know what that word means. Not polygamy. They didn't know what a lot of words were.

SPEAKER_02

Who was it? Alicia kept mixing missing up, mixing up here. I go mixing up words, kept mixing up words.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, we have that. We have Joelen and her beef with uh Rula, whose husband was cheating on her with the mistress that's posting pictures online, and we have you know, just like it feels like so many things feel so soap opera-y already.

SPEAKER_02

I know, and they the fact that they all get it, they all kind of get to the point very quickly and early. I love it. And there's no like beating around the bush. Yeah. I think it's good to have some people with television experience or broadcast experience, like Rosie and Ashley, but everyone kind of either seems camera ready or integrated into the group. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Rosie's not really integrated into the group, but she doesn't have to talk on a camera.

SPEAKER_04

She'll try to.

SPEAKER_02

And Rolla, I mean, Rolla had about eight minutes of screen time, if that. Eight minutes is generous. So we'll see with her. But she's definitely salacious in her little minutes of screen time. She dragged the mistress several times. She called her, what'd she say? She thought she wasn't a lady. Right. Oh, yeah, she says she's not a lady. Um not a lady. She's a petty slut, she's a cockerote, she's a hoe, not a lady. It was a lot. It was a lot.

SPEAKER_00

The thing is, though, it's so frustrating because I'm like, you seem a lot more upset with this mistress than you do with your husband. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

But you know, it is.

SPEAKER_02

I can see that. What's interesting to me is that it's actually produced by Evolution Media, who does Beverly Hills in Orange County. Where I thought would be like the Salt Lake City production company, because it definitely has that energy. But maybe the girls are just bringing it more on the East Coast.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Yeah. I I I think so. And I think that's that I think in the same way with Salt Lake City, like the girls just, I feel like they understand the opportunity. They see the job. And that's just, I think, kind of part of the that's kind of par for the course with Housewives being like as ongoing as it is. Is I feel like nowadays, new like new casts and stuff like that, they just know what to do. You know, they there's a blueprint. There, as as Natalie Nunn would say, there's a formula. Um Natalie knows her formula.

SPEAKER_02

You know, they definitely got her right with like, you know, mixed ties within the group, messy husbands, beautiful homes, and you know, a random local culture we know nothing about from the outside. So all of the formulas, Natalie Nunn would say, Joe Good Housewife sees him. And you know, we're seeing some mess, we're seeing some personalities. A lot of these husbands, I think, can be pieces of work. We're seeing a lot of personality already. Although I do like Joe Allen's husband, how he orders like oysters for the table and a blue olive martini. I don't know, a blue cheese olive martini. I don't that's how I would order. So I gave him two points for that.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I'm usually I'm usually team like keep husband involvement to a minimum.

SPEAKER_02

I'm not asking for more of them, but right.

SPEAKER_00

Unless they're gonna give us like Michael Darby level theatrics, then like they can just kind of stay in the background.

SPEAKER_02

Well, I hope nobody's grabbing asses on this show.

SPEAKER_00

Hopefully not, but you never know. You never know.

SPEAKER_02

I mean, none of the husbands were giving, you know, pinging off my gaitar for once on this show.

SPEAKER_00

So that's nice. Finally, uh uh a show where all these women are actually married to straight men. I'm just saying it's like the exact opposite of Secret Wives of Mormon Wives.

SPEAKER_02

Ooh. Speaking of, I will say that Ashley's husband Jared is one of the finer white husbands in the Housewives franchise history to me. To me. Yeah, he's an attractive man. He's a very attractive man. Shout out to you, Ashley. Even though I think they're both from The Bachelor World, so that makes sense. They they like a little romance fairy book, you know, casting aesthetic.

SPEAKER_00

I'm saying Bachelor and Edge and y'all been catching a lot of L's lately. Here's a win.

SPEAKER_02

Right?

SPEAKER_00

But I wonder how much the bachelor checks compared to her Bravo checks. I hope she talks about that. Ooh, I mean this is the first season, though, and usually first season is a few years. Is she a friend, our main housewife? I can't tell with Ashley. Ashley, I think I think all of them are main housewives except for Dolores. I think Dolores is the only friend.

SPEAKER_02

That makes sense. We were getting solo scenes with Ashley and her husband, so she's like, I don't know why she had friend energy in the in how she interacted with her. I was kind of surprised at how big the cast was. Right? Because then I'm like, oh, there's more Rolla too? Yeah, right. Like there's a lot of girls here. I'm just like, ooh, I can't tell Rosie from. I mean, good thing Rosie and Joe Allen are fighting, so I can tell them apart because they're arguing with each other. And Kelsey has a bit of a baby face. I think Kelsey has one of the more distinct faces because she kind of has like a baby-ish face, which Kelsey also has a pageant background. Miss Rhode Island USA 2017. And we know another participant of the pageant princess to reality television pipeline. Yeah. Joining housewives such as Kenya Moore, Kenna Silver Bassett. And people to cross the reality TV realm because we know Big Brother and Survivor in the 2010s. Oh, they love a page. Love the Miss Something USA, baby. Mm-hmm. If you were Miss Something USA, you were you get to talk on an island girl. You want Survivor.

SPEAKER_00

I mean, and you know, the thing is, like as we've seen with some of these pageant girls, some of these pageant girls can bring it.

SPEAKER_02

So honestly, I thought Kelsey was that girl Katie from Survivor Philippines, who was also a pageant girl. I was like, oh my god, that's all girls from Survivor. No, it's not. No, it's not.

SPEAKER_00

Well, I think she's also from Rhode Island. You got your hopes up. It's okay. Um, but yeah, overall, I was really happy with the premiere with the two episodes. Um, I definitely plan on continuing to tune in. I'm excited to see like where this journey with Rhode Island goes. Um, hopefully, I hope the remainder of the season lives up to kind of like this initial, like kind of we started off really strong, so I hope the season continues strong.

SPEAKER_02

Right? No, I was definitely enjoying the season. Strong start. Also, Katie was Miss Delaware, USA, not Rhode Island. So she's not eligible for the show. But no, strong debut, reminded me a lot of Utah. A strong cohesive cast dynamic, but I will say struggling on like the star power, which may be a better thing for the cast in the long term. Like, yeah, there wasn't one standout to me versus more like, oh, it's a strong cast together, which I think it maybe be their strong suit if they can, you know, unify as a cast. Because you know, Salt Lake kind of has that vibe, even though I have a preference for Lisa Barlow, I do think they all kind of bring it together differently, which is part of why that reason, you know, franchise has you know been so successful. So hoping the same for them. But the rumors that have been thrown to the table already, because they ended episode two kind of with like one of those messy ass production games where you spilt tea on everyone, but you kind of get a little bit on everyone now. Like, okay, people think Joe Ellen and her husband are swingers, people think Liz is stepping out on her man. That came up twice today. Rula is getting cheated on. Kelsey, I mean, Kelsey's is not really a secret. Kelsey's is all up in the open that she is a part-time girlfriend. So, you know, there's a lot of interesting bits there that I'm excited to uncover. And I mean, I don't know if they got any tea on Ashley's life. They're just that her husband, you know, she's the breadwinner.

SPEAKER_00

She's sick of it. Right. And she and she definitely wants to like castrate that man on television.

SPEAKER_02

I don't know if it's that far, but she didn't even let him do his job. But maybe if you weren't, you know, young at him while he's trying to manage, he could the copy house can make more. I just felt like there were cameras that asked him questions, he tried to manage.

SPEAKER_00

The way she just kept bringing up like how not financially lucrative the business is just made me feel like I'm like, girl, this is not great for your marriage.

SPEAKER_02

Sell it.

SPEAKER_00

It's not great for your marriage.

SPEAKER_02

Well, hopefully the improved press from the TV will either save the business or get it a buyer. So I don't know. I mean, depending on where it is in Rhode Island, it could probably be like a good summer business. I imagine that a lot of their tourism and you know visitation spikes are very seasonal. I don't know about Cranton specifically, but I don't know. Um I was a business major if you couldn't tell.

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SPEAKER_00

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SPEAKER_00

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SPEAKER_02

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SPEAKER_00

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