Doc Club: The Death & Life of Lamar Odom on Netflix

Yes - Khloe is in it.

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SPEAKER_00 0:06

Welcome back, Note Takers. This is Noah Aaron with the Honor El Note Podcast.

SPEAKER_01 0:11

This is Aiden, and I do not have a documentary about myself on Netflix right now.

SPEAKER_00 0:15

Well, it seems like nowadays, if you want a documentary on Netflix, you either got to be like a cult leader or you gotta smoke some crack or you gotta do something crazy.

SPEAKER_01 0:23

No. Maybe been on a reality show 20 years ago. But unfortunately, I was in the third grade 20 years ago. Well, hey, you could have been on Kid Nation. That's on you. That's true. That's true. I did not have an agent to get me on Kid Nation. I probably would have gotten ejected from Kid Nation knowing myself at eight.

SPEAKER_00 0:42

I don't know. Not saying, because you know what? I I wouldn't have been drinking the bleach. I would have been throwing it because real bad.

SPEAKER_01 0:48

Oh my God. I'm just saying. I had barely had to clean up at home that they told me to clean up. And I'm I'm in the what were the little clicks called in that game? Do the most work? I wasn't doing that.

SPEAKER_00 1:00

Oh yeah. So would you have crafts out if somebody started singing the cleanup song? Clean up, clean up, everybody, clean up.

SPEAKER_01 1:08

I make a remark about somebody being off-key, maybe. Knowing the damn well, I don't know no keys to no music.

SPEAKER_00 1:15

And and I'm and I know that bitchy producer that's in all of those exposes. She'd be taking notes.

SPEAKER_01 1:21

Oh, she would not have liked me in my mouth. But speaking of somebody producers loved, I'm sure, Lamar Oda.

SPEAKER_00 1:28

Yes, Lamar Odam. So today we are gonna be talking about Netflix's latest kind of big documentary. They like they like to drop a documentary, a docuseries. And you know, this one, I'm glad they strayed from their usual three-episode format. We got one episode, hour and an hour and a half-ish. Um, and it was called The Death and Life of Lamar Odom, which I thought was a great title for a documentary, especially considering the content. Because I mean, we cover to an extent, we cover his whole life, but most of it is about what went down at the Love Ranch. Right.

SPEAKER_01 2:01

Where he did he was dead for a few minutes, but yeah, I know some people were reacting. I was trying to get it, gauge a sense of you know, the public sentiment of the documentary as we do. And some people were like, I didn't know Lamar Odom died, thinking that it was actually like a post-mortem documentary, but no, just a shocking title. And I will add, this is part of their Untold series, which is like a new documentary. Series are doing specifically about sports stories, which this was not really about Lamar Odom's basketball career. We do get a touch of it. I did not I guess I just knowing when Lamar was famous, I guess I didn't contextualize that he played with Kobe and Shaq. Well, I mean he was traded for Shaq, so he played with Kobe, but yeah. I don't know. In my mind, Lamar didn't get drafted in 99 because like I knew who he was in like 2011.

SPEAKER_03 2:45

Right. You know, that man.

SPEAKER_00 2:47

I mean, I'm just I I mean it's I it's always very clear that I am not a sports person. I literally don't follow like really any sports for the most part. Um, and I'm just not that interested in it. So yeah, I only know who athletes are if they get involved in reality TV or scandal, and Lamar's been involved in both.

SPEAKER_02 3:04

So I know who he was because of reality and scandal.

SPEAKER_01 3:07

Or if they start doing an aggressive amount of reality shows after their career ends. Yeah. Which Lamar has also done.

SPEAKER_00 3:13

Yeah, or if you're Tom Brady and you start doing like Pizza King, or not Pizza King, Pizza Hut ass.

SPEAKER_01 3:19

Well, I thought you know like the megastars and celebrities. Like I mean, do you know who do you know who Steph Curry is? No. I guess not. I guess not. I know who Derek Dieter is. Well, you should. The Yankees are the only baseball team that matters like Harry's ass. Oh, the Yankees are the only baseball team that matter anyway.

SPEAKER_00 3:39

Oh, well, and and a certain note taker is gonna be excited to hear that. Um But yeah, let's talk about this documentary because it was honestly, in my opinion, it was really good. Like I didn't know what to expect going into it. I had seen a lot of the chitter-chatter and the hype about it, but I really didn't know what to expect. I feel like with these Netflix documentaries and docuseries, it they're a little hit or miss. There's been some that I've really enjoyed. There have been some that I haven't liked very much, but this one was pretty good.

SPEAKER_01 4:10

You know, Netflix definitely needs to tailor it down to like the 72 or so minute format that they explored with this documentary because it shines. You get the interviews, you get the cohesive story, but they're not exactly trying to drag anything out. Yeah. Which Tom Otto, I think, did it a little better than most of them, but yeah, I don't know. This was probably one of the more well done ones, especially with this exploring new stuff. But I don't think either of us were exactly experts on Lamar Odom, aside from the marriage to Chloe. And I don't know, well, a lot of it was information we knew are things that were in the public eye. Yeah. You do get a lot of interesting context and conversations behind it. And not just Khloe, which, you know, going into it, the commercials were all Khloe Kardashian which obviously. A lot of the press as a result of this was focused on Khloe Kardashian which, obviously. But we also hear from um his children, uh Lamar Jr., we hear from his daughter Destiny, um, his first, you know, the mother of his children, um Liza, Ron Artest, Meta World Peace. So you you do got a few different narratives thrown in, you know, shaping Lamar's journey, some of his family members, a childhood friend, his aunt, who was funny as hell. I love the odds.

SPEAKER_00 5:18

She was really funny. I I I loved they like they didn't show her that much, but when they cut to her, she had a line. She had a line ready.

SPEAKER_01 5:26

Well, apparently she told, like at the hospital, she told Kim and Chloe, y'all look better on the TV. So she's not, she's not an old uh hold her tongue.

SPEAKER_00 5:36

Oh, geez. To say that, especially under the circumstances, is kind of crazy. Right. But I mean, maybe that's where Lamar gets his sharp tongue from. Right. Well, and the the documentary kind of features her early on as we kind of dive into Lamar's childhood, what he kind of went through as a kid, his kind of his journey to the NBA. Um, and I I didn't realize really like how sad his background was with his with his parents losing both of his parents young. Um, I mean, his dad was like, I guess, not involved. His mom, he lost her at a young age be due to an illness. Um, he and he ended up being kind of raised by his extended family as a result. And yeah, I did not realize that there was so much tragedy and that there was like generational drug use. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:27

Yeah, I didn't know about the generational drug use, but I definitely knew that he didn't have like the best upbringing. Because I knew that was part of his whole thing with the Kardashians and their family, that he enjoyed the family unit and being involved in that, which we kind of do see on the show. We'll explore through that. I mean, also him loving the camera, but I think the family unit that they were was, you know, definitely enticing to him. And, you know, that show through his background, unfortunately.

SPEAKER_00 6:51

Right, which is interesting because I feel like a lot of the men in the Kardashians' lives have similar stories. Cause like uh Courtney's baby daddy, Scott Dissick, I can't believe I called him her baby daddy, but you know, you're watching a lot of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. I have been watching a lot of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, but Scott Dissick, you know, he lost his parents at a young age and didn't have a lot of family. Um, Kanye West, you know, lost his mother, and he kind of, I mean, he had family, but he also kind of like really up to the Kardashian family and stuff like that. So that seems to be a common thing with the men in their in their world. I guess Chris Jenner knows how to target them if you ask certain people. Ooh. As Wendy Williams would say, the devil works hard, but Chris Jenner works harder. But um, yeah, we so we kind of get into that, we get into his past, his background, we kind of see his ascension um in within the NBA. And I kind of like that um they talked about how he wasn't necessarily the best, like early on. Like it kind of there was kind of like a buildup, there was kind of and and pe they kind of talk a lot about how in situations where maybe it was kind of like his personality and his charisma, like how lovable he was that kind of helped get him into kind of a lot of things in life, whether it's relationship, career, and whatnot, his, you know, the public's um favor towards him. Which I think.

SPEAKER_01 8:17

But you also got I don't know, but you also got a touch of the controversy. I know they touched on some of his earlier incidents in the locker room, having some drug use. So you know, it dates back early in his career, which I did not know that. I thought he just kind of spiraled on the public eye, but the signs were there.

SPEAKER_00 8:34

That's an yeah, I remember I was like thinking like when he got involved with the Kardashians, he was like, you know, squeaky clean and everything like that. I thought it started at some point during his marriage with Chloe. But it it was an ongoing issue.

SPEAKER_01 8:49

Right, and right, and I'm sure fame, the pressures of a championship winning team, all that don't know. Right. And on top of the child. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:59

Which was another thing. I did not know that. I don't know how I did not know that. Yeah, I had no idea. I knew that he had children from a relationship before Chloe, but I had no idea that he had lost a child, especially in such a tragic way as um Sid's sudden infant death syndrome. Um, yeah, that whole thing was like shocking to me when they kind of had his ex getting into it and describing kind of like what happened. Got his perspective. And yeah, you could tell even just seeing him talk about it now, you know, it's just such a a trigger.

SPEAKER_01 9:31

You know, that's nothing you can really recover from. Right. I know Liza, the mother of his children, she spoke about it, like seeing their son and finding their son there and just being like truly traumatized. And, you know, it's a lot to come back from. I really appreciated her inclusion because I felt like she was trying her best to be fair. Like usually you would see somebody in the situation be very disgruntled. But I do think she did her best to be just kind of like tell the situation from her perspective, what it was like to be the mother of this children, seeing him, you know, with this other woman in the public eye. Right. Time to deal with that, knowing him, you know, when he was younger.

unknown 10:05

Right.

SPEAKER_01 10:06

And I liked her inclusion.

SPEAKER_00 10:07

Right. When I liked, I liked the fact that we got to hear from both her and Chloe because I think her and Chloe, their relationships with Lamar were at such different points in his life, where he was like living totally different life. Like he was living a completely different life with this woman than he was with this woman. And so I liked that we got both of their perspectives and got to hear from both of them because I feel like they were both able to really like go in deep and give us like the full analysis of like what his life was at these very different points. Um and I think that, you know, I think that there was there was a little bit like like you said, I think you could tell that like there was a little bit of like towards each other. Um yeah, no, it was definitely Especially at the beginning. I was like, Is this a hit piece on Chloe? Right. Well, I think, but I feel like overall they kept it pretty cute for the most part. Yeah, pretty cute, pretty pretty respectful.

SPEAKER_01 10:56

Especially for the kids. I feel like Eliza probably does it for the kids. Like I feel like if there are no kids, she might light his ass up. And speaking of them, Lamar Jr. and Destiny both do appear, which every time the daughter spoke, I felt so bad. Like she was very like earnest and how she showed up and like how her dad wasn't there. They talked about this one experience where in LA the Lakers won the championship and they wanted to go to parade with their dad, and you know, they're at the house knocking on the door, and no answer, no answer. And eventually a friend calls their mom, like, oh Lamar went out last night. He doesn't want to see the kids like this.

unknown 11:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:30

But when they tune in on the TV, there's Lamar. But what is the best day of his life?

SPEAKER_00 11:35

Which is wild. Yeah. No, it's it's I think, yeah, their parts are probably ones that made me the saddest is just hearing from his kids. Um, I mean, clearly they've like gone through various traumatic events due to all of this. And he's still paying child support. Yeah. And it's just kids look our age. Some kids look our age. Well, not our age, but maybe like 22. Right. A little bit younger, a little bit younger. But it's, yeah, it's, I mean, it's just sad to see all the trauma they've kind of endured and the fact that it's been so public, you know, because of, you know, who their father is. And you know, also like not just who's their father's fame, but also the additional fame added in with like the Kardashian brand and everything like that. It's really, you know, it's sad. It's it made me really sad for them. I wonder how they feel about the Kardashians. I mean, I'm sure it's probably very complicated feelings. I mean I feel like to me, I could see Chloe being like a really good like bonus mom or stepmom or whatever. Like I could see Chloe like we would have saw that on the show. Well, I think maybe they didn't want them on the show, but that thing, yeah. From what I remember, because I cause I watched those earlier seasons of Keep with the Kardashians, and I did watch Chloe and Lamar. Um, and I don't know if I ever remember his kids actually being on the show, which I could definitely feel like not knowing that lady, but from what I saw here, I feel like she wouldn't have played that. Right. No, no, I really I it wouldn't make sense to me for the kids not to really for that really to be a desire to have the kids on the show. But I don't know, just like what we know of Chloe and like how we know like what her with like her family, like other children, her family, like with especially with Rob's daughter dream. Um, you know, I feel like I could see her being a pretty good, you know, stepmom.

SPEAKER_01 13:25

Um maybe now she was pretty young. I mean, I don't know. I'm not saying she was bad, but they would have spoken to that, I feel.

SPEAKER_00 13:33

Or the energy wouldn't have felt as awkward. Well, I mean, even back then when she was married to Lamar, she was damn near raising Rob, even though he was a grown man, her brother.

SPEAKER_01 13:43

Well, Reddit commenters suspect that Rob was doing the drugs with Lamar, but that's neither here nor there.

SPEAKER_00 13:49

It's possible because I remember on the show, Chloe and Lamar. I remember like that was like Rob was very clearly going through his depressive episodes and stuff at that time. On like when they were making that show, he was living with Chloe and Lamar. And him and Lamar had like a very, very close like relationship and bond. I remember that. I mean, Chloe even mentioned in this, like how the basically the reason why she met Lamar is because she did this gig involving like the NBA, uh, despite like knowing nothing about it. And like she basically said yes because her b her little brother Rob was a fan and she wanted to do it for him. I love how she just said about my little brother. Like, we don't know who Rob Kardashian is. Right, like we know exactly who Rob Kardashian is. You got the one brother, Chloe. He was on TV with you. Right. Well, maybe, maybe Rob is like, don't mention my fucking name in this shit. You know, you know Rob likes to be low key, but we we know what she talked about. Except for when he's posting Revenge porn. Um, now that was like 10 years ago. Well, you know, I'm gonna keep bringing it up. And so will Angela White. So will Angela White. Oh shit, well, yeah. What else was she gonna bring up? Um, Jesus. Embezzlement. And bezel, now I done heard it all. But um, and I loved when she kind of talked about like how when she met Lamar, she asked him, like, what he was she said he was carrying on a plastic bag, and she's like, What's in the bag? And he's like, he said candy. And she was like, Oh, what the fuck is he talking about? And then she like looked in there and realized it really was like he was carrying around candy.

SPEAKER_01 15:17

I thought it was gonna be a bunch of pills and shit once you said that. Like dressing. So she opened it and went all up in there. I don't know. I was expecting it to be a bunch of pills found on the floor. She was like, I know it was really candy. Well, and are you I'm like upset she didn't say what candy, like was it sour patch, watermelon, some Skittles, Twix?

SPEAKER_00 15:34

I don't know. I could see I could see Lamar having a good mixture of candy, to be honest. I I could see that. Some good candy. Yeah, but I yeah, no, I and the thing is Chloe is the type of person that would just like go digging in someone's bag and not give a fuck. I mean, we saw what she did on that radio show, had Michael Yo pissed. Yeah. Well, you well, you know, her and her ultra ego, Chloe Money. Not Chloe Money. Um, but yeah, I mean, throughout this whole documentary, I feel like Chloe was an interesting, interesting voice in this. I feel like, I mean, I feel like ul ultimately she probably talked the most. I feel like she almost talked more Lamar Deck and then. It was definitely gonna up there. Yeah, we heard a lot from Chloe, which I mean makes sense because she was a big part of it. But there was a lot that I didn't really like I knew about like obviously the drugs and the cheating and everything, but there was a lot of the details I didn't know. Like you and I were talking before recording about how crazy it was that she had, you know, this girl that he was messing around with calling her, talking about like like I'm I'm here with Lamar, I've been sleeping with your husband, and he won't stop asking for money and drugs, and I'm just kind of over it. You need to come pick him up.

SPEAKER_01 16:44

She called Chris too. She called Chris first, which was that me. She was like, you know who's gonna stop this mess, man? Chris Jenner. She wasn't wrong. She wasn't wrong.

SPEAKER_00 16:54

I just, I just, I want to know, like, you're you're like the side piece, getting with this rich athlete behind his wife's back and everything, and he is just too much trouble that it's not even worth trying to extort him for money. You just want his wife to come get him. You're sick of it.

SPEAKER_01 17:07

Well, I think at that point, you know that like Chris Jenner probably has a handle. This might not make TMZ if you call Chris right now.

unknown 17:14

Right.

SPEAKER_01 17:15

You'll probably get paid, maybe not your full rate, you know, but you'll get something. Full rate.

SPEAKER_00 17:22

Well no. Crazy. Crazy, crazy, crazy. But uh while I know those girls at the Love Ranch got played their full rate. Um Yeah, they they had the receipt of 75,000 up front. Crazy. That's insane. Uh, but I also didn't know about like things like because Chloe talked about like how kind of dedicated she was trying to keep this as covered up as she could. She was talking about following him around, like literally going into hotel rooms, following his drug vendor in those hotel rooms and cleaning them up so that the housekeepers wouldn't be able to go in there and take pictures and sell stories to TNZ. Which I'm sure was stressful as hell. Right. I'm sure Chris was telling her to do that. Well, the thing is though, is Chloe just always has seemed like almost like pretty much to her own detriment. She's always seemed like such a down ass bitch. Like she won't do anything for her man.

SPEAKER_01 18:19

Yeah, unfortunately. Or maybe just like that family area. I'm sure growing up with, you know, Chris and what what's what's the I'm forgetting what their daddy name is now. Caitlin Jenning. Caitlin. You know, Courtney and Kim, that's a household. That's a household. Right. Especially Courtney, especially Courtney.

SPEAKER_00 18:44

Well, I feel like I mean, I'm not trying to psychoanalyze these people, but that definitely seems like a a family where they're taught to be very man-centric, very male-centric. Wow.

SPEAKER_03 18:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:57

I mean, we we proceeded to do all that with Tristan. So Yeah. Well, that's the thing, is it seems like a pattern in her relationships that she's kind of kind of just do her best to keep it going, keep it moving, keep it cute. Um, but yeah, no, it was crazy because I like I always knew that she was down, but I didn't realize she was that down that it's like, damn, you are really out here cleaning up his drug pens and shit.

SPEAKER_01 19:18

Well, she wasn't down enough to have the baby with him. So she got enough sense for that. Right. Right. If you want to call it sense.

SPEAKER_00 19:24

I don't know what we want to call that, but I mean, she I mean, she went as far as I remember at the time to like pretend to have fertility issues, just like she didn't have to have a baby with that man.

SPEAKER_01 19:34

Because I definitely remember that was like the plot line of like the 2010 11s with the Kardashians. It was seasons of club, we try to have a baby.

SPEAKER_00 19:42

Yeah. And it turns out the entire time she's intentionally not having a baby with this man. But I mean, that's I mean, I'm glad she had the good sense. I mean, she'll have a baby with a cheater, but she ain't gonna have a baby with no crackhead. No. Well, even after she broke up with said cheater. Right. Well, you know, Chloe's clo Chloe Money is not gonna have two baby daddies, I guess. I mean, I don't think Chris Jenner allows that. Well well, I mean Courtney, she has two now. She has a kid with Travis? She does yeah, she has a kid with Travis.

SPEAKER_01 20:17

Since when? I don't know. This was a few years ago. Oh, I I wasn't you know, you know, I just you know, I mentioned I didn't care for Courtney's uh Really?

SPEAKER_00 20:26

Well yeah, no, she she done she does.

SPEAKER_01 20:29

Is Mason not our age now? She's having babies.

SPEAKER_00 20:32

Mason is not Mason Mason was born in like 2011, girl. I know, I'm being dramatic.

SPEAKER_01 20:38

Mason and Mason in college now. She took okay, whatever. Not my business. I don't think Mason's going to college, but um, he can. He gives me US E NYU.

SPEAKER_00 20:49

He he's too busy being selling tea on live. No, he doesn't do that anymore. He doesn't do that anymore. But honestly, Jeffree Star doesn't deserve to get whacked every now and again, so I support that. But um You know what? But um we also had like another like very central figure in this, um, was our our low our owner of the Love Rant, which he he appeared quite a bit um as far as just footage of him and whatnot and his shame.

SPEAKER_01 21:22

The whole Love Rant sequence. First of all, it kind of threw me off because we go into like this whole bit about the Love Rant, and I'm like, is this Did I click off to a different show? What's going on here? Yeah, now we're talking about the. What's going on here? But he was a good storyteller. I was kind of captivated by you know him recapping the landmarks, him recapping the night with Lamar Foley. Because they had heard stories of like, oh, Lamar's hitting the girls up on Instagram, but they were like, nobody got famous. Miss our notice, but we'll come here. They don't they have other means to do it. And then they got a call from a hotel and they go to the hotel in Vegas, all the way from like this rural part of Nevada.

SPEAKER_00 22:11

And they're like, oh shit, there's Lamar. They were shady as hell when they when because like during that soundbite where they said um, you know, no celebrity above the D list would show up here normally. And they and they showed Ron Jeremy. Well, well, well. If you're doing surreal life fame games, I know. Right. Well, I I especially cackled when he showed up where the love shock was, and that property was cleared out, honey. Like that that that place would go on. They said they said we're getting rid of the evidence, we're wiping this off the face of the earth. We almost killed Lamar Oda. All them girls got new names. Right? Everyone's in witness protection. Oh my God. But and yeah, when they were explaining just like kind of like what happened to Lamar, at least like what we believe to have happened. I don't know. I feel like there's probably more. Because I mean they talked about him allegedly doing some like some uh some booker sugar before he came to the ranch. And then once he was there, he took 12 reloads, which I didn't know what a reload was, but it's a male, it's a male enhancement performance situation. And apparently they were saying that like they advise on the packaging do not take more than one in a 24-hour period. And apparently Lamar took 12. So and I have no idea. Yeah, and and my thing is like with those, like I don't know what's in those male enhancement and performance things that would kill you, but apparently something.

SPEAKER_01 23:41

Maybe it's like the mix of all the things. Yeah. Or just the the pure amount. Right. But also it it's also going off of Lamar's word where he said that he had done it before he got there, which was two days ago. Right. And I don't I don't think cocaine really affects you two days later. So maybe he had something with him, but you know, the accountant specifically. Not great, but there's a lot of you know, receipts from the night. They sold the footage, he was doing sit down interviews, they sold off a picture of the receipt, the $75,000 receipt.

SPEAKER_00 24:11

The bidding war for footage of Lamar at the drug rant. Uh like as this man is actively like in the hospital fighting for his life, and they're and they're the bidding war for the footage. I'm like, sir.

SPEAKER_01 24:21

But the today show winning yet? The today show winning it? I thought they were gonna be like TMZ won, the National Inquirer won. So with Wendy Williams won. No, today the today show. I know Wendy Williams wouldn't pay for footage. That's true. She just talked about it. I feel like if Lamar had his own choice, he might have done Wendy. He seems messy enough.

SPEAKER_00 24:40

He might have, he might have. But yeah, no, the the the moment where they showed him on the today show, because what one of his stipulations is he wanted to come on the today show and promote his book, The Art of the Pimp. Um and I was like, that's insanity.

SPEAKER_01 24:56

That was not classy for the news in 2006. 2026, sure. 2006, no.

SPEAKER_00 25:02

Yeah. Well, I mean not okay. I mean, in this, I mean, in this fucking in 2026, if this happened today, Lamar, first of all, Lamar was getting a Bluetooth endorsement deal. It's not once he recovered.

SPEAKER_01 25:15

Um but like would he post the asset? Would he post the asset? Lamar gives me he wouldn't post the asset. I'm just saying. Well, Lamar ain't following the brief.

SPEAKER_00 25:31

I'm following, I'm posting the asset. Right. Y'all gonna have to sue him. Y'all gonna have to sue him. Uh but um, yeah, no, just insane. I I you know, I I kind of want to talk to this this love this this um love ranch man. He seems like a character. I kind of want to pick his brain. Right. What is he up to now? Right. Probably nothing good, no good.

SPEAKER_01 25:54

Living offshore, probably.

SPEAKER_00 25:56

Pro probably. Or maybe I'm a lago. Oh, he's probably he's probably um in Mexico with what's his name? The Girls Gone Wild Guy. Joe Francis. Joe Francis, yeah. They're probably over there doing crazy shit. Um but yeah, no, just insanity. And then back to Chloe, um, we kind of, you know, we see her after Lamar has, you know, rushed the hospital. We and we saw this play out in real life and everything with the news about her kind of like running to be at his side, how she spent months with him in the hospital, she was looking for his recovery. We did get some more information about, because I knew at the time that, like, oh, she's still technically legally his wife, so she's making medical decisions. I did not know that, like, before she got there, Lamar's father was there first. And she alleges that he was like, oh, take him off life support, don't give him anything, I don't give it, like, whatever, like was ready to let him do the die, I guess. And Chloe basically bribed him with a pair of Nikes, some money, and a hotel room to just kind of go away. $100, mind you. Right. Insane. $100, a pair of Nikes, and one night in a hotel. Not even a hot meal.

SPEAKER_01 27:12

Well, I guess he could use the hundred dollars to get a hot meal, but no, he didn't use it to get a hot meal. Um, he used it to I think he got at least a meal.

SPEAKER_00 27:22

I think he got a McChicken at least. Do you do you consider crack cocaine a meal?

SPEAKER_01 27:27

I don't I don't uh am I in charge of the eat I don't Robin uh Are you the World Health Organization?

SPEAKER_00 27:36

Right.

SPEAKER_01 27:38

I feel set up.

SPEAKER_00 27:39

I feel like I'm understanding right now. Okay, Robin Dixon. Um but yeah, and then she kind of proceeded to be making a lot of the calls on his medical treatment. Um and his family, when they like, you know, his kids, his wife, um not wife, but his his kids and the mother of his children, his aunt, like they kind of seemed a little bit pressed and bitter about it. Like they were not happy about how that all went down when it was they weren't necessarily giving super specific details, but they basically were talking about how Chloe had like security, yeah, um, blocking things off. People had to sign NDAs to go in and see Lamar and like everything and be by his side. Um, which honestly, I'm kind of on Chloe's side for that, because I mean, this is a man that is like on his deathbed, is constantly being taken advantage of. He's just had like this whole shenanigan he went on the love ranch become media fodder with receipts being shared, footage being sold, and everything like that. So I kind of get where she was coming from, being like, we need to lock this shit down, especially when she mentioned that at first when they were just letting people come in, that apparently like drug dealers and shit were coming into the room. People were going through his stuff, trying to take things. So I mean owe me money. Right. I think I kind of understand her locking things down. And I mean, nobody from his family straight up accused her of not letting them see him. They basically just had to go through a security detail to do it.

SPEAKER_01 29:10

Yeah, and get NDAs. But Liza did say that, like, I I think her and her kids were probably allowed not to sign the NDAs. Yeah, so the family members were blocked off and a whole bunch of drama started.

SPEAKER_00 29:20

She said that when the whole family went up there and everything to that floor, that there was security there and they were like, should she said Chris Jenner's security? Uh but uh and she said they were they brought out NDAs, and then they specifically pointed at her and were like, oh, you don't have to sign one. And she said, I know that. I know that's right.

SPEAKER_01 29:40

I hope they wouldn't make the kids sign one. Can you imagine make like a 14-year-old sign an NDA? Is that illegal? Can a child can a miner sign an NDA? I don't think so. Are their parents probably have to co-sign it or sign on their behalf? Right. I'm sure miners like in Hollywood, like they can't leak the project, so I'm sure they have to, but Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:57

I'm sure they got an agent, are they parent around? Somebody. But yeah, so I like I get where Chloe was coming from with kind of locking things down. And I mean, at the end of the day, I feel like she did have good intentions and she was looking out for his best interests.

SPEAKER_01 30:13

No, I agree. Even though I don't think maybe Chloe probably didn't navigate this the best in terms of relationship with his family and that side of the family, in terms of him and caring for him, Chloe did that. Yeah. And definitely I do feel bad because Lamar doesn't seem to give a fuck. He's going on interviews and whatnot and saying Chloe didn't save my life and implying what she said about his dad was false. So it's a lie.

SPEAKER_00 30:36

Chloe's rightfully pissed. Right. And I will say, um, that moment where Chlo Chloe was talking about, she said that um, because after because basically she was saying, you know, she spent four months with him in the hospital, like while he was recovering and everything. And I didn't um and you know, to me, it it really is so shocking to see like how functioning he is, like how much he can do everything, considering where he was. Like when they showed that footage of him in the hospital where he couldn't even blow out the candles at his birthday cake. Um 12 stroke, six heart attacks. Right. Yeah, he couldn't walk, he couldn't talk, he could barely function, everything. So it's it's shocking to me like how well he has recovered and bounced back from that, um, and how normally he does seem to be able to function. But yeah, Chloe was saying that like after that four months in the hospital, that she then rented him a home um to continue his recovery in. And this I felt so bad for cackling at this part. But when Chloe said that she went over to see him, and she she said that once you know what crack smells like, you know, you you will never forget the smell. Not I I felt bad for laughing, like, this is not funny. But I mean there's a reason they use that clip for the promo, Noah. I know, and then I've seen all the TikToks and stuff of people like being like Chloe and the documentary be like, and it's just like it's just girls bringing up crack like over and over the details about crack. Right.

SPEAKER_01 31:56

Which I thought she would be saying crack a lot more, but yeah, no, she really didn't. Right.

SPEAKER_00 32:01

I was like, okay, y'all it was funny. It was funny, but yeah, but y'all doing too much. Right. Um, yeah, and then Chloe said that she like went in there, she immediately smelled the crack, so she knew something was going on. And she was talking about how like basically she was saying Lamar was further along in his recovery than he was letting her be aware of, um, and that he was more capable and that he had a phone that she was unaware of, and that he that's how he was getting the crack and everything. Um and sh she said she punched him in the face and and told him he has until tomorrow to get the hell out of this house. Right. Um always with the shits, because we always throw in hands. Right. Well, you know, honestly, justified. I will say, like I I will say, um, as someone who can relate to being like the loved one of an addict and you know the the punch in the face, he needed that. He needed to get that. Well especially if what she's saying is the truth that like he like he was. She was doing everything. That she was doing everything and that he was in her rental house getting like scoring more crack. Like is this not supposed to be a rehabilitation period for you, sir? That's like I I I I think that's that's a shared experience amongst amongst loved ones of addicts. At some point there's a face punch.

SPEAKER_01 33:20

According to Lamar's book, we also punch one of the strippers, he was cheating with him in the face after she tracked down the hotel with his of his black Amex credit card receipts.

SPEAKER_00 33:29

Now, see, that is not justified. Punch him in the face, don't punch the stripper. What does Vivica say in that in that movie? What what when when your man's stepping out on you, never deal with a woman, deal with the man. Fair, fair. She can play that game. That's what the movie? But then she but then but then she but then she said, but you know what? I don't like this hell. And she and she and she punched her anyway. She punched Gabrielle Union anyway.

SPEAKER_01 33:57

Well, Gabrielle Union likes to play a villain in the movie. Deliver her from Eva, anybody? But I will say um they did a lot about you know Lamar's charisma being a fun person, which you know, I believe from all the reality shows that he's done when he's not, you know, being narcissistic and a bad father, which I guess he doesn't really do on the TV shows. He he comes across very funny, entertaining, has a lot of funny quits. Like he had very funny moments on Big Brother, even though he didn't know how to vote or play the game. And even in this episode, there were a few lines that just made me cackle. The first of which was the first hit of cocaine I took was amazing. I was with a woman, she was with her husband. And I was like, wait, what? Ridiculous. I said, wait, what? And then when Chloe was talking about the intervention that they made her do and kind of be like, you know, if you don't fix it, I'll get divorced. Lamar says, well, give me my passport.

SPEAKER_00 34:55

That's gonna fucking divorce. Right. That gagged me. I was like, oh, he immediately chose the the crack and the passport over rehab.

SPEAKER_01 35:04

It's the passport that sent me. Like, were they in a foreign country? Did he want to go right to Mexico? Like, I mean, would you need to have the passport to begin with? Where was it?

SPEAKER_00 35:12

But also, I'm not gonna lie, I could definitely see the Kardashian family, especially Chris Jenner. I could definitely see her withholding a passport. Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if the reason why he demanded the I wouldn't be surprised if Chris Jenner had put his passport in a safe before and refused to give it back. I'm just saying.

SPEAKER_01 35:30

I mean I wouldn't put it past her. I wouldn't put it past her.

unknown 35:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:35

Her Machiavellian tactics in my cameo grammar.

SPEAKER_00 35:39

I'm just saying, if I were making my escape from the Kardashian family, I would the first thing I would want is my passport.

SPEAKER_03 35:47

What's the second thing?

SPEAKER_00 35:49

Crack. Um, but just well that unlike Chloe, I don't know what that smells like. But uh But um yeah, like I I definitely there was a lot about him being charming. There was a lot about him liking the camera. Chloe even mentioned that she was kind of unsure about doing the spin-off of the Chloe and Lamar show, but that he really wanted to do it. Um I believe that he seems like he likes to hammer that for a camera.

SPEAKER_01 36:17

He definitely loves the camera. At the end of this own documentary, he's talking about I'm on Netflix now, baby. I'm just making an A-lister.

SPEAKER_00 36:24

And one thing about Lamar, he is gonna he is gonna be he's gonna be on the camera. He might start dating Stacy Rush next season. Oh Lord, oh Lord, Lamar does not need to be on Brava.

SPEAKER_01 36:35

Giselle would have a heyday, wouldn't that? Um, I don't think Stacy would deal with that. Lamar gives me more uh Atlanta.

SPEAKER_00 36:44

That's that's true. Stacy was Stacy was barely willing to deal with Big Boy and TJ, she likes him a little, a little different than Lamar, I fear.

SPEAKER_01 36:55

Fruity.

SPEAKER_00 36:56

No, no, T Mano doesn't seem fruity. That's a little nerdy. He doesn't. I'm just saying one thing about Lamar though, all that crack, and you never heard about him with a man.

SPEAKER_01 37:07

Well he couldn't take Dennis Rodman's bit completely. You have to let Dennis Rodman have his own thing. I'm just saying now why are we dragging Dennis Rodman into it?

SPEAKER_00 37:19

Because that's his bit. I can't, I can't. Um but yeah, and you know the thing with Lamar is, and that's like honestly, I feel like you see that a lot with addicts, like kind of like that funny, dopey, charming guy. Like, I feel that's part of how they get away with it, you know. Because they're like, oh, I'm sorry, I won't smoke any more crack. And they go and smoke more crack.

SPEAKER_01 37:45

I'm just saying that's probably verbatim what Lamar said to Chloe at one point. I'm sorry. Uh I just wondered what Kobe Bryant was thinking. Like crack!

SPEAKER_00 37:58

I love the fact that like Kobe Bryant was on scene at the hospital and Khloe was consulting with him on like Lamar. Wow, I mean Kobe He's known for decision making in quick times. That's how you succeed in the basketball court. I'm like I'm just imagining Khloe Kardashian and Kobe Bryant sitting there like planning out Lamar's medical treatment.

SPEAKER_01 38:21

Well, I'm just saying if I was freaking out my husband on his deathbed and Kobe Bryant is there. Well, he's not he's longer with us, but if if he was there, I would consult Kobe Bryant, you know.

SPEAKER_00 38:34

I yeah, no, I get it. I get it. I get it. Well, especially because I mean, like, shit, my crackhead basketball player husband, let me let me get this sober basketball player to help me.

SPEAKER_03 38:48

A generational talent. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:52

But overall, like, what would you say? Like, once you were done, everything was said and done, you were done with the documentary, like what were like what were your thoughts kind of walking away from it? Wow. Wow.

SPEAKER_01 39:07

I was just like, wow. I guess initially I walked away like, oh, that was good. It was entertaining. I learned somewhat new things, which I expected because I didn't deeply know Lamar Odom's drama. Like, I feel like with a lot of reality television focused documentaries, a lot of the times I know like 90% of the TE. So it was nice where it was a situation where I knew more like 45% of the TE. So there was some you know enlightening information. I do think it wasn't a there wasn't a situation where there were people that were getting interviewed that didn't need to be interviewed or didn't or got too much time. Like we heard from like meta world peaks, etc., but only like a little bit. It was primarily like Lamar, Floey, and Liza, which it should have been. Right.

SPEAKER_00 39:48

Yeah, no, we we we didn't have we didn't have $25,000 sunglasses or Daniel Staub show up yet.

SPEAKER_01 39:55

Oh Lord, oh Lord. You know, they were they were good for something. They were good to show up.

SPEAKER_00 39:59

I'm sure they would have been willing to talk about Lamar. They'd be like, I don't know nothing about this crackhead belt, right?

SPEAKER_01 40:05

Yeah, I don't know. Is there anyone else you feel like should have gotten brought up or should have spoken? I mean, Rob would have been interesting, but there's Rob not going on the campaign. He would have never. He would have never.

SPEAKER_00 40:15

Rob don't even want to do his family show. I mean, as I feel like as much as Chris Jenner got name-dropped, maybe she should have been here to say her piece.

SPEAKER_01 40:24

Well, I'm sure she could just have Chloe deliver her talking points.

SPEAKER_00 40:27

I guess, but I don't know. I feel like I would have been interested, especially since Lamar said that like at one point he like did a line, he like did a line of coke and then like lifted his head and saw Chris Jenner come around the corner and see him. Talking about Lammy. Yeah. I would love to I would love to hear Chris um describe like from her perspective that moment where she walked in on Lamar doing Coke.

SPEAKER_01 40:48

I feel like she would be a little melodramatic with it. She might cry, walk out the interview just to walk back in.

SPEAKER_00 40:54

Well, I feel like though she can handle it, because I mean I've seen the footage of her kind of like um from that Kanye West documentary where like she was kind of like when Kanye was having like one of his explosions and everything, like and his episodes, like her, like Chris kind of trying to like, you know, talk him off the ledge and everything and calm him down and get so like she seems like she she seems like she's perfect for that kind of role. That's true. Now whether or not her intentions are good, like that depends on who you ask. Tokyo Tony's gotta tell you they're not good.

SPEAKER_03 41:22

Well I mean I do think Chris knows how to make a moment. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:35

But also with Lamar and his behavior and his antics through this, it's hard to like you can hate the Kardashians as much as you want. I'm not somebody who loves the Kardashians, but yeah. Not that they're like victims or anything, but Right.

SPEAKER_00 41:51

That's a thing, is I there's always like this whole thing about the Kardashian curse. And I am like I am never really one to defend the Kardashians because like why do I want to defend these rich assholes who are doing assholey things? Um, but like this whole like it's it's silly to me. There's this like whole thing about the Kardashian curse where I feel like any man that has ever been associated with any of these girls, like the moment they're doing some fuckery, like everyone wants to blame the Kardashians. Like when, like, you know, Kanye West going and praising Hitler and stuff, and people want to be like, that's Kim Kardashian's fault.

SPEAKER_01 42:23

It's like what also, specific to some of the athletes that they've dated, like people like to be like, oh, you know, Kardashian curse, Kardashian curse, but like none of the guys they dated were like stars who fell from grace. They were mostly like role players. Like, yeah. I'm not a big person fan of the NBA. I don't know a lot, but I know Tristan Thompson and who was Kim's ex Chris Humphreys? Chris Humphreys. I know they were no star players. And you know, I you know I'll have some data. I pulled up Tristan Thompson's stats from last season. In the 2024-2025 season, he averaged 1.7 points, 3.4 rebounds, and 0.06 assists. I mean, 0.6 assists. Is that bad?

SPEAKER_03 43:04

You know.

SPEAKER_01 43:05

We know how much minutes he played, but it's not great. But he did have a 43% field goal percentage, which is respectable.

SPEAKER_00 43:12

Yeah, I mean, that's the thing, is I mean, at least Lamar was willing to admit that he that he was getting with Chloe to up his profile. Right. These other guys like to act like they were somebody before the Kardashians. The only one who can make any kind of argument that they elevated the Kardashians is Kanye. He's the only one. Yeah. And I'll give Travis and Kylie are like on the same.

unknown 43:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:35

I'll give Travis that. And I mean, I guess, I guess Ray J was bigger than them when, you know, the tape came out. But that didn't last. I hate it, I hate it, I hate it, I hate it, I hate it, I hate it first.

SPEAKER_01 43:47

Well, Ray J's sister will always be more famous. Brandy.

SPEAKER_00 43:50

Well, I mean, yeah, that's just I mean, that's just brandy. That's just Brandy and I. But um, you know, that that that's our Cinderella. Um Period. And our final girl.

SPEAKER_01 44:03

Um I watched that movie.

SPEAKER_03 44:06

Well maybe you should.

SPEAKER_01 44:08

Well I I didn't get the role of Carla, so I'm upset all these years later.

SPEAKER_00 44:13

I don't think you were were you born yet? May maybe. I think that movie came out like ninety nine. You are alive. Barely. What was there an infant in that movie? A black infant? I don't think so. I don't think so. It was a it was it was a sexy teen slasher.

SPEAKER_01 44:32

Well, they should have given Sarah Michelle Galler a black child. I don't know. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 44:42

I'm just I'm just gonna say okay.

SPEAKER_01 44:44

Well, you know, I I want to be supportive. Um and you know what? I want to run into Lamar's on the street. I would love to have a conversation with her. Not even about the documentary. I just want to I just want to meet her.

SPEAKER_00 44:58

Oh, yeah, no, she seems like I she seems like the type of lady that would just talk to anybody she meets.

SPEAKER_01 45:02

Right?

SPEAKER_00 45:03

She might scroll too much T or something or drag Chris Jenner, but I might just cackle. Right. I could see her dragging Chris Jenner. And and you know, and the thing is with Chris Jenner, is you know, as much as I respect her as a businesswoman, she she needs to get dragged every now and again.

SPEAKER_01 45:16

And I would ask that lovely woman if she did tell Kim and Chloe that they look better on the TV.

SPEAKER_00 45:22

Right. I I would definitely be giving Phaedra like, what made she saying that? And I feel like she'd probably just tell me like, well, it's what I felt. She seemed like that type of New York kind of woman. I can't I can't just disregard her feelings. Well, no, you can't. I don't think so. I mean, I'd have to be like, okay. Um but yeah, overall, documentary, Netflix. Y'all, y'all did your big one with this. Um and I think we did our big one with this podcast episode.

SPEAKER_01 46:00

But can't say I'll watch another untold story. Don't really, not really intrigued by the rest of them. They don't really have the reality TV tie, but whoever produced these ones, produce Netflix, keep hiring them. And have them do the reality TV ones too.

SPEAKER_00 46:15

Yep. And if you find one that we may be relevant for, call us to talk about it. Right?

SPEAKER_01 46:20

I don't don't know what would be the best fit for, but I'll fly out to LA.

unknown 46:23

Right.

SPEAKER_01 46:24

But ideally, you could have the studio set in New York, but I don't think they're gonna do that. Well, I think they're building a studio thing here, or maybe it's in Jersey.

SPEAKER_03 46:33

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 46:34

It might be in Jersey. Okay, by coastal. I'm liking the FR.

SPEAKER_00 46:40

But um, Aiden, do you have any final words before I sign us the fuck off? No, just pray for Lamar, I guess.

SPEAKER_01 46:51

Okay, vi okay, viral tweet. Um, I wish I wish the best for his children.

SPEAKER_00 46:58

Right. They seem like they seem like really lovely kids. Like that, and that that's uh, yeah, like seeing them, I was like, damn, they they seem like good kids, and I feel like they seem like because we talked about like generational drug use and addiction issues and stuff. Oh, that's they seem like they could they, you know, they seem like they have a really lovely mother with a good head on our shoulders. They seem like they're good kids with good heads on their shoulders. So yeah, yeah, for sure. I wish them the best. Um, but yeah, and wish us the best and pray for us on this podcast. Um, you you can bless us if you go follow us on our social media. We are at on a real note pod. We are on TikTok, we're on Instagram, we're on threads, we're on Blue Sky, we're on X, we we're on YouTube. You may be watching this on YouTube. If you're watching this on YouTube, I appreciate it. Hit the subscribe button. Yeah, hit that subscribe button. What what are those what are those really annoying people on YouTube say? What do they say? Hit that what I think they say what blow up that button or something. I don't know. It's not like YouTube from eight years ago. That's the thing they say, smash that button.

SPEAKER_01 48:00

I I don't think they've said that in 10 years. Oh, well.

SPEAKER_00 48:03

Old ass. You know what? And I haven't smoked crack in 10 years since the last time I was a Lamar.

SPEAKER_01 48:11

Were you ever in the same state as that? Well, he played in California, he played in California. So yeah. Yeah, we've had the same thing.

SPEAKER_00 48:18

That's the real story. Um y'all have a lovely rest of your day. I hope none of you know what crack smells like. Um, and you know, enjoy enjoy the rest of your week. Thank you.