Reality Rewatch: Married to Medicine Season 1

Aidan and Noah begin a season by season rewatch of Married to Medicine.

This is the first of twelve (or more) episodes in the Married to Medicine rewatch series.

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SPEAKER_01 0:06

Welcome back, Note Taker. It is another episode of the On a Real Note Podcast. I'm your host, Aiden. And I am your other host, Noah Aaron. And I am so excited for this new series we are getting into. I actually found messages from three years ago, Noah, where we talked about covering the show when we first started the podcast three years ago. Which is probably near our three-year anniversary. So shout out to us. But I definitely was like, we need to cover Married to Medicine. We both talked about watching it. Even before we had the podcast, I'm sure we both were like, we need to get into Married to Medicine. Yeah. So we finally made it happen because, you know, we have a show and you know, we have a little incentive. But this will be a monthly series. So we're going to cover one season a month over the next year or so. The show currently has 12 seasons. Hopefully, by the time, you know, we get to next year, there's a 13th to cover, and then we'll be all caught up. Ideally. It's like the perfect number. It worked out perfectly. So we are going to get into it. This episode will cover season one, and we will have a monthly episode covering the Married to Medicine seasons. If you are not familiar with the show, but you are familiar with Bravo, Housewives, it is essentially Housewives, but they are Married to Medicine. So medicinal Real Housewives, Basketball Wives, if you will. Are they on the medicine? That's right. Which is kind of iconic to me. But it is filmed in Atlanta, so that's, you know, the kind of cultural tied to the Real Housewives of Atlanta. Another Atlanta show. Dr. Jackie has, you know, given birth to a lot of Atlanta housewives children. Candy has been on this show in the future seasons. You know, and also at its launch. Oh yeah. Phaedra was mentioned this season. Phaedra dated everybody ex. Phaedra dated, Jamal Bryant, Phaedra dated, um, Quad husband. What's his name? Greg? I don't know. I'm bad with the husband names. Yeah. I barely remember the one who's named after me. So not spelled the Catholic way. Oh, it is not spelled the Catholic way. Well, that man is from Bangladesh and Wa. I know. I don't know. You know, the Catholic Church, they don't, they got far. You know, they like to spread the word. I don't know if they got over there. They might have. They might have. They might have. Man, I think it's an interesting tie, especially in the 2012, 2013. That was kind of the reality TV moment. Wives of basketball wives was huge. Big franchise.

SPEAKER_00 2:18

Real House of Atlanta was having like its heyday.

SPEAKER_01 2:21

Exactly. So, you know, it made sense. It was a smart community to tap into, and it created a behemoth. We have 12 seasons of this show. A spinoff in LA, which only lasts to two seasons, but I don't know. It just created a, you know, a behemoth. And people probably refer to themselves as married to medicine. I mean, my sister-in-law is going to be, you know, she's in med school and my future sister-in-law. And I feel like, you know, maybe, you know, I can I can get a doctor at Bay, and my siblings can be married to medicine. Like we we can get a show. So I'm on the lookout.

SPEAKER_00 2:52

I mean, why not? And you know, I I love it because it really does. I like when this relates to Housewives too. Like when they kind of cast with like a theme in mind. Like you look at um The Relics of Salt Lake City, they kind of have that religious theme going on, at least with the initial casting of the first season. Um when you look at like uh original casting from Atlanta, you have like kind of uh athletes-wives, people with music industry or entertainment industry connections. When you look at Beverly Hills, all these women are actresses. When you look, you know, just like in general, like Jersey has the whole family thing.

SPEAKER_01 3:28

I like some like had their etiquette kind of ties.

SPEAKER_00 3:31

Nothing, yeah. I like when there's kind of like an overall, like our overarching theme with the cast, and it kind of helps tie the women together.

SPEAKER_01 3:38

Yeah, and what works for this cast, which I mean, Mariah doesn't let you forget it if you watch the show, but see, it's the nucleus of the cast, and they are genuinely connected, which I thought was very interesting. And you know, it's kind of rare in these casts. I love to throw somebody in who is not organically kind of part of the mix or, you know, one of their friends. But, you know, I thought the connections were like real and genuine, and I thought quite interesting. So, you know, we have Mariah at the center, and then Quad is her best friend. Yeah. And then Dr. Simone, who's probably my favorite castmate, just to throw that in there. Dr. Simone. Delivered her daughter, and then Mariah's aunt was Simone's son's nanny. And obviously, Dr. Simone and Dr. Jackie, both OBGYNs, they're best friends. And then Toya's husband worked with Dr. Aiden, Mariah's husband. And Carrie's husband was friends with Aiden, who's also a doctor. So Mariah is truly the nucleus, as she said, but yeah. Like I messaged you right before we recorded, Mariah insisted upon herself and that role in the group, which I think was to her demise, but we will get into it all.

SPEAKER_00 4:40

One, I think, I mean, should we just jump right into Mariah and just start going down the lineup of these girls?

SPEAKER_01 4:45

I think before that, we have to establish it's kind of like what was going on with basketball wives a little bit, where like Mariah's like producer and castmate, but they definitely demoted her in this. Because I remember she even said that she had to give up a little creative control to be a castmate. But she's also, you know, a bit of a founder. I think that was also the case with mob wives a little bit. Obviously, we see with baddies with Natalie, where there's like this castmate who was also like a producer and has some a little bit more pull, maybe, and that also kind of throws off the dynamic with the women, even though it's not explicitly explained.

SPEAKER_00 5:17

Right. When I think I saw somewhere, and I don't know if this is true or not, but I saw somewhere while I was like looking up stuff that apparently they had like prior to like what we saw, they had filmed like another pilot before to like for the show involving Mariah and maybe some different women and stuff like that. So, like, from what I understand, this show was like quite a few years in the making.

SPEAKER_01 5:40

I mean, that makes sense. Mariah seems to type to be like, I see these women doing that. Let me go pitch this, shop this around, see what we can do. I know an interesting group of women, but that makes sense. That's a story with a lot of reality shows. You hear about like pilots or sizzle reels that I sent out our test filmings and castmates with that. So that makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 5:59

Yeah. When I think um, and I think like even out with Mariah, it does create a weird dynamic because like you look even at Real Housewives shows where you have like a Giselle on Potomac or a Kyle Richards on Beverly Hills or a Bethany on New York City, where like it's obvious they have a certain level of pull with production. Um probably like the ones I listed, probably to varying degrees. Um with Kyle, I think, being the worst example. Uh so I've heard. You know, I don't watch that one, but yeah. So I think, and yeah, like it really it really does create like a weird thing with I think the other women, like they they do resent the fact that they don't necessarily have that level of power, control, or influence over the actual production of the show. Right. And then you see the people who go after them be be off the show, lose the job. Right. Well, that's that's what Darit is saying at this reunion for Biblical right now, that Kyle has the power to get anyone off the show. Well, I mean, you know how to go up for Dorit, but did she lie? I don't I think she was I think she was being honest there. She lies about her finances, she lies about paying her taxes and whatnot, but how about that? Um But yeah, go, I guess in going into this, I mean obviously we've been talking about it for a while, but I think we were both excited to kind of finally jump in. But I think we'll actually get into all the details and stuff, but like overall, would you say that it lived up to expectations or up to the hype? Bitch and more. Bitch and more, bitch.

SPEAKER_01 7:37

I was like, wait a minute, I was I've been missing out. And people have told me it's it's mostly been my laziness. And you know me well enough to know how I consume shows. Sometimes I can start a show and not watch it but pick it up three years later, and it's it's just a lot of energy to start something new. And I know you're the same way, so yeah. But I'm just like, damn, I've been missing this all these years, but I have seen clips. I was familiar with the ladies and some of the tropes. Like I knew that Toya was always keeping up with the Joneses, or like that's what the fans said. Yeah, but I don't know if she was so explicit about it. Toya will tell you herself she's keeping up with the Joneses, right? Which I kind of respect. I knew Dr. Jackie was holier than now, not to that extent.

SPEAKER_00 8:15

Yeah, that's that's a thing, is I really I feel like the women were being quite true to themselves. And I like that we did, I mean, we got right into the action because you know, especially when you look at like, and we're gonna be comparing this to Real Housewives a lot because that's essentially what it is. Um but when you look at a lot of like those classic Real Housewives shows, not so much the newer shows when they launch, they tend to launch just like going bam, bam, bam right away because they've got the format down. But these like shows that launched a while back, like usually the first season tends to be a little bit boring or start a little bit slow.

SPEAKER_02 8:47

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 8:47

But not with these Married to Medicine girls. They were they were doing a lot in their first season, right?

SPEAKER_01 8:53

No, I was gonna say it was giving me what I reminded of watching season one of Salt Lake City and a little bit of what I'm getting watching Rhode Island right now, where it's like there's actual connection, there's you know, it's a flash in a pair, yeah, good group of women, everyone kind of contributes their own. And everyone has like their own unique personality, not everyone's a doctor, not everyone's you know the same vibe. Although I think Toy and Mariah are more similar than they they want to be. They could they could be great friends, and hopefully we get that in the future.

SPEAKER_00 9:18

I don't know, but one thing we'll see. Well, yeah, and I think um I think that's actually a really good point that I think this is kind of a precursor to what we do see with the Modern Housewives franchises. Because I feel like the Modern Housewives are something else because they come on the air, and some of these women will like speed run what would have normally been like a Housewives character arc over like 10 seasons. They'll do it in like one or two seasons.

SPEAKER_01 9:41

I mean, Pinky Cole was going through a whole financial housewives crisis in four episodes.

SPEAKER_00 9:46

Right. One thing, yeah. She's she's already she's already, yeah, she's already experiencing what some women took years to experience on how and then them Rhode Island girls, they all got the the husband stepping out already, and it's been what four or five episodes.

SPEAKER_01 10:01

I thought you were gonna say those Rhode Island girls all got that dog in them. I was like, yeah, they do. I mean, oh jury's still out of Rosie. I have some tea on Rosie, but I'll tell you off the camera. But it's not that piping. But I mean, I think I think Liz got that dog in her. I think Liz would swing on me. Oh, yeah, Liz will fuck somebody up. That bitch is crazy. I mean, I keep saying it. She's crazy. And Alicia, don't let her in the car. She might she might run back to the city. And we know Alicia's good for some vehicular manslaughter. Or not manslaughter, but vehicular assault? Is that what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 10:33

She might run some people over. I don't know. But um, let's get into the show. Yeah, let's talk about the Mariah of it all because, like you said, she's she's a nucleus, she's the queen bee. I mean, she says it enough times.

SPEAKER_01 10:47

She says this. She says my name enough times too. This is one of those I because like my name is not that popular, Aiden. But like, you know, it's growing there, but I'm not used to hearing it in like media. You know, you know what, you the the Bible, Noah. It's like it's there. I know. I'm not every time I'm like looking up at this feeling like, oh yeah, they're not. They're talking about Mariah Bangladeshi husband. You're like, I know I know she's not talking to me like that. I mean, she was mostly nice. She was mostly nice to him. To her husband, yeah. She she knew her role.

unknown 11:14

Right.

SPEAKER_01 11:14

I mean, Toya, Toya drove UG crazy, talking about let me upgrade the sound. Yeah, getting running up his credit card.

SPEAKER_00 11:21

You don't sit on the city.

SPEAKER_02 11:22

Mariah, Mariah.

SPEAKER_00 11:24

Um, yeah, Mariah, like, her it's interesting with her because she really is like in that connector role that we see. And I think I'm just gonna start off saying, I think the problem with this connector role in general, when you have like um a Mariah or you have a Jill from New York City, or you have a Caroline Manza from Jersey, or you know, whomever, um, or a Sharice from Potomac. I think sometimes when you have like the woman that's in this connector role, I feel like they almost feel entitled, but like, no, this is my show. I'm the star. You're all only here because of me. Which could be true, but it's still an ensemble cast.

SPEAKER_01 12:08

I mean, you don't gotta say, I think Mariah definitely felt that way. Yeah. And I think it reminded me a lot of Karen Hugher, but I don't know. Karen acts in a way that at least like, I don't know, I believe she's done on the joke. Yeah. At least that's how I interpret Karen. But Mariah's very serious about it. Right. No, she's dead serious. Yeah, no. And even how she positions herself in some of her friendships, and I'll just be some confessional. And even the aftermath of the fight, because truthfully, Mariah was in the right. Right. Yeah. No, she was. And everyone went against her because she was just being like, no, you also need to bow down. You already fall a line because I'm on the show rather than like taking accountability to try to move on from it. Yeah, that the fight was crazy, but which there was a big episode four. If you've never seen the show, you're watching along with us. Episode four, big fight. Not episode 10 at the end. Episode four, ballgows, Toya Mariah, throw down. Right. But it's kind of a gag because the beginning of the show is kind of setting up Toya versus Quad, which is Mariah's best friend.

SPEAKER_00 13:07

Yeah, that's like honestly, that's a thing, is like watching the first episode or two of the show, I really thought it was gonna be more Toya and Quad. Like I thought that, and I mean it's still featured heavily and whatnot, but I thought that was gonna be like really the only main focus of the season as far as like the beefing with Toya versus Quad, with um Carrie kind of jumping in on Toya's side, and maybe Mariah jumping in on Quad's side or being like kind of like in the middle or something. Like that's where I kind of thought we were going.

SPEAKER_01 13:37

Yeah, and then Jackie voiceries in Simone, kind of like humor and voiceries in. Which that's why I thought I mean they they stayed their roles, but I thought so too, which is probably what was produced, which is what I'm thinking is like that was a plan going into it. They didn't expect for Toya to run her mouth about the paternity of Mariah's kids and whether or not her husband Aiden was the father of her oldest child Lauren. Right. And from Mariah to get adopted for both Mariah and her and her mother to find out. Oh, Miss Lucy. Oh, Miss Lucy.

SPEAKER_00 14:06

Miss Lucy. From the hairdresser. From the hairdresser. Yeah. That's what I put in my house, like, why why is so much shit going down at the salon? Like, why is all of the women out there?

SPEAKER_01 14:16

But black people in the salon know what it's uh tea is spelled.

SPEAKER_00 14:21

Well, what happens at the barbershop? Misogyny.

SPEAKER_02 14:26

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 14:27

Yeah. All right. But yeah, like Mariah, so she kind of does start out the season kind of as the grand dame. You know, she's kind of the Karen Huger, the Lisa Vanderburg. She's kind of like, she she clearly kind of feels above these girls. Um, and she's kind of like, and the thing is, like, at least in the first episode, it seems like the girls kind of do for the most part fall in line with that. Um, and they kind of seem to like accept the hierarchy a little bit. Maybe there's still some tension, but I don't know about Dr. Jackie, but Right. Well, I think but they're not really coming for Mariah with that. And like Mariah's more so playing-cause there's not a reason to. Yeah, and Mariah's more so playing the role of the peacekeeper as like the girls are kind of attacking Quad, who's new to the group, who's Mariah's friend. Um, so but like you really kind of see Mariah gradually like slide into the shit like as the episodes unfold.

SPEAKER_01 15:23

I don't know. I'm probably gonna make a lot of Potomac comparisons because that's my favorite Housewives franchise. Yeah. But it's definitely like Carrie and Toy are definitely like Gisela Robin. Yeah. Quad is the ashy kind of dude to the group. Yeah. Mariah's giving Karen, I'm the matriarch, I'm here. I'm gonna bring this young girl in. I'm gonna bring this young girl in, show her the ropes. Yeah. Simone giving Katie just funny. Just cackling. Just funny in there. Dr. Jackie's her own architect. Yeah, sure. Dr. Jackie's one of her own. Nothing. We ain't never seen nothing like this. Right. Who I have a love and hate for, but we'll get to the loveliest theme, the illustrious Dr. Jackie. Yes. Um, Mariah was definitely keeping the peace because at the beginning, they're going in for Quad for not being up to par with a doctor's wife. Yeah. Which is very similar to how they were judging Ashley. Yeah. In that, in that sense. Right. But it kind of got flipped very quickly because Quad doesn't hold back. So we kind of see Mariah holding the tensions between all sides because she is genuinely friends with everybody. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:25

But that only lasts about two, three episodes. Yeah, before we what like we really start seeing the cracks and whatnot.

SPEAKER_01 16:31

Um this is where Mariah starts to insist upon herself.

SPEAKER_00 16:34

Yes, because I think Mariah's problem, and I like Mariah, but her problem is I think, as we said earlier, she kind of seems to see herself as above these girls, and she kind of like she like you kind of said earlier, she demands they fall online. Like I feel like whenever she has like conflict with one of the other women, she goes right to I I don't know. It's like she she goes right to this place of like, uh-uh, I'm your boss. Yeah. And it's like, are you?

SPEAKER_01 17:07

Yeah, right. Do you work for P Pure Vaders of Pop? I don't. I mean, you might. But I think part of it is also like a show like this, you have some of the most credentialed people in the world, like with MDs. Right. It's just not easy to do. Right. No, the the black woman. So you have to mix of that and like and they talk about on the show, the MD and the MRS MD. Right. And like, you know, my my letters are before my name, my letters are my letters are after my name, yours are before your name, you know. Right, right, right. For sure. So I think that can also play a part of it because Mariah is, of course, an MRS, an MRS. Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 17:48

But I'll think I definitely I definitely got the vibe at times that the women, you know, our couple of women that were doctors kind of were holding themselves to a different standard, obviously. Um But yeah, and I think I think where I think where it really went left with Mariah, because the thing is like Mariah, she had like moments with the other women. Like she'd kind of like have tension, like she'd get into it, like she got into with Kari, like at the Kari Carrie, at like the wine tasting thing, um, when they were preparing for their husband's joint birthday party and everything. But like they kind of like squashed it and like mostly made up and everything. But I think obviously where the shit really hit the fan with her was the fight with Toya. Um and her mom in general. Yeah, and her mom. Yeah. Nothing else. Definitely something.

SPEAKER_01 18:35

Because her mom was amping it up and kind of that's what started the whole fight. Miss Lucy goes up to Toya. Yeah. Like, oh, why were you spreading these rumors? Why are you talking about this? Like, very like, I'm stepping to you. So Toya was, I'm sort of like, oh. Obviously, Toya, Toya is missed. Toya is the messy person on the show. Yeah. I I I will declare that. And I'm not saying I don't like it. I'm not saying I don't like it. This is one of the rare shows where I kind of like everybody to an extent. Carrie annoyed me, but yeah. Even she was trying with the shade. But anyway, Toya is messy. So Toya goes up to Mariah, like, your mama trying to beat my ass. And they get to tussle it in gowns. Mariah was very close to getting Toya in that pool, I will say. I know. I put in my notes. Toya held up with all her might, all her core strength, like, I'm not going in this pool.

SPEAKER_00 19:20

I put in my notes that's a few.

SPEAKER_01 19:21

She was an insa way.

SPEAKER_00 19:22

With how close they were fighting to the edge of that pool, like I was shocked that nobody ended up in there. Not like them or the bystanders that were trying to break it up. Like, nope up in that pool.

SPEAKER_01 19:31

The purse did and the phone did, but they have to fist the purse and the phone out.

SPEAKER_00 19:38

Um what what what floored me about the fight was because I mean obviously, you know, I'm not blind. I saw the from the as we kind of like in the episodes leading up, like we saw they were showing, like, oh, coming up next. Um like I knew like I knew it was gonna come to blows, but like I didn't really understand about what. And then like once Quad came in and told Mariah what Troya had been saying, like, oh shit, okay. Now I know now I know what's gonna cause the fight. But what shocked me is that I was assuming that the fight was gonna break out like once Mariah confronted her on it. But like they didn't even get that far. Like they just started, they started fighting. Toya probably has no idea what she's even getting swung on for. Like she like I mean, she she she knew what she was saying around her. I guess. But I mean, like, Mariah hadn't even had a chance to like really bring up what was said or what she was mad about. So it's like we didn't even get that far. Like, I literally thought I was like, okay, like there's gonna be a confrontation. Like, I didn't even think we were gonna get the fight in that episode. I was like, oh, they're like set, they're like gonna drag it. I was like, she's gonna start confronting her at the end of the episode, and it's gonna get close to the fight, but then we're not gonna actually get the fight. So when they started like I was like shit. Damn.

SPEAKER_01 20:47

I was like, before of season one. Yeah, that's what I think. I knew this fight happened because I had seen clips of it. But in my mind, one, I didn't know the context, and in my mind, oh, this must be a season finale. This must happen. Not halfway through the season. This must be the culmination of all the events of filming. Not the like freaking not the spike of it all. Like the second, not the pretty much set up the rest of the show. Like, obviously, the beginning is kind of like Toya Quad Carrie, that little drama, but yeah. The rest of the show is kind of stakes on Mariah versus Toya and those sides. But Dr. Jackie even said they were coming up to her at work talking about why you take Mariah's side. So it really was a sides game at this point. It's like when that big eviction happens on Big Brother and ain't no play in the middle anymore.

SPEAKER_00 21:36

Well, somebody had to take Mariah's side because I feel like in the immediate aftermath of the fight, I was like, Why why everyone hating on Mariah for this?

SPEAKER_01 21:43

Which leads me to believe that they were waiting to hate on Mariah and she was probably pissing them all off. Right. In the aftermath, I'm like, Toya, you're messy for this. Even though the streets say that like it was kind of an open secret, people already knew. They talked about it at the reunion that like it was kind of being discussed in the Hair sign as if like an everyone kind of new kind of way, but yeah to bring it to the show is the daughter doesn't know. Daughter is eight, mind you, the daughter's eight. Yeah, it's just nasty. I don't think they emphasize enough that Lauren was eight. Right. They just like say Mariah's daughter. Yeah. I don't know if she wanted to minimize it or what, but I'm like, eight is crazy. Like 13, 14, and uh still messy, but like, alright. Yeah. Grown adult, whatever. Um not grown at all.

SPEAKER_00 22:28

Alright, Snyder. Yeah, no, it's just it was it was just nasty to me. And like, I don't like any of these things of like the paternity stuff. Like it on Potomac when Giselle was allegedly like trying to bring the patern like the question of the paternity of Monique's child to the show. I didn't like it when Mia was using the paternity of her child for a storyline. Like, I just don't like it. It's it's just too much.

SPEAKER_01 22:51

It's a low raggedy. They could have they could have done something else, but yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:55

Although, I mean, I guess that's where we are. In a way, because I mean like Toya was saying at the salon. I mean, in a way, Quad brought it to the show. That's true. That's true. Quad was the one that brought it up on in front of the camera. And then she's like, That's true, Toya didn't regularly. Like, why would you tell Toya this? I mean, fair. Why would you tell Toya that? Right, why would you? Well, and like Maybe she didn't know. Maybe she didn't know. More so on Toya, because my thing is I don't I don't like dislike anyone on this cast, honestly, on this first season. Like, I felt like everyone kind of played their part, they pulled their weight, they did their thing, what whatever it is they had to do. Um, some were more interesting or entertaining than others. But like Toya for me is complicated because like to a degree she's very entertaining and I really want to like her. But also, there's just something about her I'm like, oh, you are just you're a little too much of a mess. She's very messy.

SPEAKER_01 23:54

Right on down to her personal life. Right. And should we just get into Toya? Yeah, let's just talk about Toya. It's like it's it's damn near her show, too. Yeah, and you know, it's coming into it. I knew Toya liked to, like I said, like to keep up with the Joneses. They always talked, joked about Toya always moving into a new house. Which we'll watch the show. We'll see if there's more moving into new houses. But she gonna stole the line is like, I want bigger and better. Yeah, I want this neighborhood because people think oh we're gonna be living large. Look at all this acreage. It's not school districts, it's not closeness to public transit, entertainment, highway, you know, it's size. People think we got money. But and she's honest about it, and that's what I like. She is, she is. Uh, but yeah, I just like Mariah. Mariah likes to put on airs, even her name, Lakeisha. She'd have to go by Mariah. So, you know, my, you know, I think Mariah likes to brand herself like the doctor's wife.

SPEAKER_00 24:47

Right. Well, and there was there was a lot. A lot of the other women took shots throughout the season um about Mariah being like, well, where she really comes from. Like they wanted to make it very clear to us, the people watching, they wanted to make sure that we knew that Mariah did not come from this lifestyle and that she came from somewhere else.

SPEAKER_01 25:03

The editors did too, because they had the low waiter, was like, oh, okay, I can I call you or wherever she was from.

SPEAKER_00 25:08

She's like, absolutely not. Absolutely not sent me. Um but yeah, Toya, on the other hand, she's Toya's very, like, she's she's very honest about like kind of like her like her aspirations and how she wants to be seen. And she's also on pretty honest about like where she came from. And she seems very proud of the fact that she where she came from and where she is, you know, now at the time of this partisan.

SPEAKER_01 25:30

You know, Toya has the security in herself. Yeah. And Mariah has like, you know, she's she's walking the walk, I guess. Yeah. Like she looks and plays the part. And it's like Toya doesn't even want to play the part of her aspirations. I think she just wants a big house. Right. No, she just she just wants to automatically. She doesn't want to be no bougie doctor wife, nothing. She wants a big house.

SPEAKER_00 25:50

Yeah, she she just like wants to kind of be seen as a bougie doctor's wife. It's kind, it's kind of uh, it's kind of the um in the next 15 the the therapist. Are you willing to do the work? No.

SPEAKER_01 26:03

But we kind of see her helping out with MD VIP, which is Eugene's little venture. Her husband, yeah. I don't know what to call it, a medical concierge. It's on the very 2012. Yeah. But she's not the businesswoman that at least I respect that Carrie. She seemed to have been running ran her husband's whole shit. Like, yeah. She was the business behind it. Toya wasn't exactly giving that, but yeah. You know, she was trying, she'd host a little event for the show, and she'd walk around and file some papers on camera, but one I don't think she was a revenue driver.

SPEAKER_00 26:32

Yeah, I think with Toya, in the very first episode, I knew exactly what we were gonna get from her when her and Carrie kind of jumped in together to just bully Quad right off the bat of the very first time they're meeting this woman on camera, at least. Um, I was like, I was like, oh, okay, this is what this is what Toya's gonna be given. Tacky Toya. I was like, yeah, tacky toya.

SPEAKER_01 26:55

I mean, Toya came in spilling tea. Her first scene was like, yeah, Quad invited me to her wedding, but her husband called it up five days before. And my me and my husband didn't go. Yeah, now see that she kept bringing that up that she didn't go. She kept bringing it up all season.

SPEAKER_00 27:09

That Toya did bring to the show. Tacky Toya. Tacky Toya, as she's called. Um, and she is tacky, but that's okay. Um, it's a little bit tacky. She's a little bit tacky. But um, another thing I like about, and this is just all the women in general.

SPEAKER_01 27:25

But she can't pronounce Czar either, but that's neither here nor there.

SPEAKER_00 27:29

I I love how different these women are because you know, a lot of times when I start watching a new ensemble show like this, a lot of times I have a hard time at the beginning telling who's who, who's got what story in line. I'm like, wait, what was her name? Oh, yeah, no, wait, because her husband's this guy. Oh no, wait, no, that's her husband. Like, I get so confused with these ensemble casts at first, not with these women. Like by the end of the first episode, I knew everyone's names, I knew what they had going on, I had an idea of their personality, I knew the dynamics. Like, these women did a really good job at like a first impression establishing themselves and making it kind of clear what their trope is here. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:07

Although both Simone and Jackie being OBGYNs confused me. I knew Jackie was an OBGYN because she done delivered every baby in Atlanta. But I know Simone was one too. So when they would have a scene with somebody in Star Ups, I'm like, who's looking at somebody pussy right now? Is it Simone or Jackie?

SPEAKER_00 28:23

Other than that, it was very easy to read. If you asked Jackie with all the without the body shaming, she would tell you it's obvious who it is. She would always call Simone fat. Right?

SPEAKER_01 28:34

She was gonna try to get it together. You know, Simone owned it. I couldn't look like that if I stopped drinking vodka and went to the gym, but I'm not gonna do that. Well, the funny thing is, Simone even we'll get into it. Simone's not even in she Jackie. Right? Jackie's just got issued body issues. She got a lot going on. She's got a lot going on, but she got she got she loves a sense of control over what she can control. Reminds me of somebody I know very well.

SPEAKER_00 29:01

Anyway, that the the the the the damn riverside is gonna suggest we cut that out. I already know it.

SPEAKER_01 29:08

Well, Dr. Jackie's a classy comparison. I could compare you to Phaedra.

SPEAKER_00 29:14

Oh lord.

SPEAKER_01 29:16

And you'd be insulted. You'd be insulted.

SPEAKER_00 29:19

Uh, I would be insulted because she's a criminal. Um, but allegedly. But yeah, Toya, tacky Toya. Um I I do I do love watching her dynamic with her husband because like I can't sometimes I can't tell if he's like extremely irritated by her or if he adores her. It seems like a mixture of both.

SPEAKER_01 29:38

I think so. I think it's just like how we feel as viewers. It's like you can't help but be mad, but cackl, but you know? Yeah, by her answer. It's gonna be like she's just very like a mix of like funny and honest and owning it. It reminds me of Mia Fields a little bit. Yeah. It's like a stunned queen, but a little bit earnest and emotional. But it's like like she's messy, but she she's not gonna like she don't want to harm you too much. Even one thing I liked about Toya when it was like Carrie's crazy ass was like, I think Mariah's bipolar. She needs to disclose that to us, or whatever she said. And even Toy was like, Do you think she has to disclose that to us? Like, I was like, and I was like, Soya, you have some sense there, but you don't even like the girl. Nothing. Carrie kept wanting to die in a few. And Toya very like much took it as a show, which I think I always like a preaching and a reality stuff.

SPEAKER_00 30:27

Yeah, no, Toya knew she was there to entertain and wasn't taking it too seriously. I think obviously once she got once she got whacked by the pool, she took it a little seriously, but but I mean, even that, like she wasn't she wasn't pressing charges like Candace.

SPEAKER_01 30:42

That's true. And what I love about Toy is just like Lisa Barlow, she can't plot word today. Toya would try a little plot, it was just it's just gonna unravel in front of you. You you know what she's trying to do, it's just go right in front of the back.

SPEAKER_00 30:55

Right. Yeah, no, she can't, she just can't do it. She can't. Um But yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:02

How do you feel about her and Eugene hitting someone and fleeing the scene, allegedly?

SPEAKER_00 31:07

Well, you know, the thing is, is we are Who told you that? Unfortunately, on this podcast, we are very familiar with vehicular crimes. Um no, not not like us, but like who we talked about. I don't know the way you said it. It's just it's again not like we are not Alicia from Rhode Island. That's like we're not Brandy, the singer. Uh we're not Caitlin Jenner. Uh well, I mean, we we literally we've just listened to every celebrity with a vehicular charge. That's that, well, that's again we've talked about them all on here. Like we for some reason it always true, that's true. It always comes back to me. Didn't we have a whole episode about that? We did, we had an episode where we talked about that, where we talked about vehicular manslaughter and the celebrities that have committed that crime. Um But I don't I don't know what it is. But yeah, I mean, you know, the thing is, I mean, I think fleeing the scene. The the thing is I don't necessarily think hitting somebody makes you like the devil. Because I because I mean anybody can run somebody over, you know. I could be driving and some and some and it was offender bender. One thing I'm saying that like some kid could like come out on their tricycle in front of me in the street and get hit. And I could I wouldn't even. I'm just saying, like anything can happen, anything could happen. Um, but my thing is is that fleeing the scene is what's crazy to me. It's like, why would why would you think to do that?

SPEAKER_01 32:37

Well, Tolia said she left the girl her number and the police went to her house to finish the report. So that's and that and now she had a two-month-old, she was sleepy, she was breastfeeding. Which maybe she didn't like formula. You know, people have that option nowadays. You oh, yeah. Well, hit and run, hit and run. The way she reacted was what confirmed it for me. Who was like, who told you that?

SPEAKER_00 33:02

Yeah. That's a lot. I'm glad I'd be like, who who who said that? My thing is these these women on this particular show, when they get like confronted with something shady about themselves, they are way too quick to just confess it. Because like my thing is like no ain't gonna try to lie and be like, that's not true. Maybe that's because of your color, Noah.

SPEAKER_01 33:24

Which color? This color? Um you know what? Okay, okay, Carrie. Your daughter of the Rolls Royce or a Jaguar or whatever.

SPEAKER_00 33:36

You know what? That that this is a personal attack. It's getting personal.

SPEAKER_01 33:42

Um, no, it's not Toya. No, it's not Toya. But uh But I was very surprised after the fight. Everyone was kind of taking Toya side, and it felt like to me, I was like a little g at it. Yeah, it felt like they immediately left. But that's the thing. Over time, I was like, okay, it makes sense because Toya just seems more fun to hang around with.

SPEAKER_00 34:01

Yeah, when I think Toya handled herself post-fight better than Mariah did. That's true. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:06

I think it's kind of like it's Well, I mean, Mariah getting thrown out of an event she co-hosted and paid for. And the police called would have set me the fuck off, too.

SPEAKER_00 34:15

Yeah, yeah. No, I mean that was good. And that's the thing, and like it's it's weird because like I do agree. I think can you mention earlier that when we were kind of waiting for a reason to hate on Mariah or turn on her? Yeah. I think it's true because like in the immediate afternoon, you could tell like Carrie, like, she was pissed at both of them. She was so angry. But then she was also it was Carrie's house. So Carrie has that right. Well, yeah, no, and I that's the thing is I understood her being upset. Yeah, but my thing is like she dragged it though. Yeah, well, and also like she like had one sit down with Toya and was so quick to like kind of forgive her, but not Mariah. Yeah. Um, when it was a it was a mutually consented fight. Um I mean, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 34:55

You earlier you said you had thoughts. Like, who do you think started it? Now that we talked about you know Mariah and Toya. Yeah, let's get let's talk about it. I keep wanted to say heavenly. Um we all we did see heavenly in this episode, though. So I put I put in my notes like heavenly spotting, heavenly spiding. Literally say, but we'll get to her next month.

SPEAKER_00 35:11

Well, because the thing is, she's the one that I am like the most aware of going into this because like she's ready for Congress. Yeah, well, and all the clips I've seen over the years have mostly been of Heavenly. I'm like, oh, there's Heavenly. And also like, some people remember somebody with a name like Dr. Heavenly. That's true, the dentist. And that voice of her, I can't even imitate it. Um But um, yeah, so the fight. So what I found interesting was because I knew we were going somewhere when the hair touching started happening. Because first because first what happened was when Toya was talking to Mariah, she was kind of touching her hair in a very passive aggressive way, like adjusting her hair and stuff. And I want to do that when somebody's already mad at you. Um but she was like kind of like touching her in a very passive way, and they kind of like went further down the pool and they were really getting into it. And that's when um Mariah started pulling the Monique and flipping her hair. You want me to? You want me to? She started like flipping her hair, and then I think from what I remember, um, the first one to actually because like they kind of like were touching each other and pushing up, but the drink was thrown for like a hit was Toya, I think. Toya like hit her with something first, and then Mariah hit her back, and then it was just on.

SPEAKER_01 36:24

Honestly, I didn't care enough to slow it down because I was too busy cackling. But well, it definitely wasn't giving one aggressor, it was definitely giving like, oh, this is gonna pop up. Oh yeah, no, it definitely wasn't like a Candace. Because regardless of who, yeah, it wasn't Candace Monique, but regardless of who hit first, I think it was just opportunity because otherwise hit them in a millisecond, probably.

SPEAKER_00 36:42

Right. Well, it was getting heated, and I think it's sometimes like I don't know, sometimes like you're getting heated with somebody and like you're kind of like waiting to see, like, I'm waiting for them to touch me and then I'm gonna touch them. But then like somebody's gonna break and touch them.

SPEAKER_01 36:54

No, I don't do that. Okay. But then I I do think it would have gone differently if Quad was there. Like somebody was like there to intermediate. Yeah, right. Yeah, no, because unfortunately, there's someone I didn't know who was like in a dress, like pushing that toya too. I don't know if it was uh Mariah's sister, maybe.

SPEAKER_00 37:11

Yeah, but well that's that's the thing, is I feel like nobody almost got jumped. That thing, nobody tried to intervene until it actually got like officially. It was too the toy was there in the pool. One thing, yeah, like it took a long time for someone to try to intervene. Because normally I feel like on these shows, like once it's like we're getting each other's face and da-da-da-da-da. Like, usually that's when you have like a Karen Huger trying to get in between security.

SPEAKER_01 37:32

Um it's episode four of a season one. So I imagine this is only even like the second or third all cast event.

SPEAKER_00 37:39

Right, yeah, it was literally.

SPEAKER_01 37:40

They probably don't even have the protocols to get there.

SPEAKER_00 37:42

Right, yeah. So it was just insanity. And yeah, I think I think they were equal equal contributors to the fight. Um, I feel like ultimately Toya deserved to get swung on if it's exactly as it was portrayed twist by Quad, which I have no reason to think Quad would lie. Um I mean, I think Quad would dramatize. She might add a little sauce to it, but a little soliloquy to it.

SPEAKER_01 38:08

Quad are gonna make everything. All I have to say is A little Shakespearean.

SPEAKER_00 38:12

My favorite part about this fight is honestly Miss Lucy just putting her two cents in. And like she stayed so close to the action, was like she tried to she tried to hit in toy with her pocketbook. She did. And she didn't get her popping with the pocketbook. Yeah, she hit her with the pocketbook. She was bragging about it. She thought you fucked her up too. And then um, and then afterwards when Mariah was like upset after it uh Miss Lucy was like, You did the right thing. I I hope I hope you beat her ass very well. That was my that was that was the line of the season for me. I hope you beat her ass very well.

SPEAKER_02 38:45

Oh Miss Lucy.

SPEAKER_00 38:49

It reminded me of that bad girls club clip that you like to reference where the one girl. Yeah, where the one girl's mom is on the phone home, I'll beat her ass.

SPEAKER_02 38:59

Beat her ass.

SPEAKER_00 39:01

Well uh except for Miss Lucy, who's actually there in person, she could and she could jump in a little bit with her pocketbook. And I you know, honestly, I'm glad that we f with with with the threats that have occurred over the years, I'm fine, I'm glad we finally got to see someone actually get hit with a pocketbook on Baba. Because I'm sick of the empty threats.

SPEAKER_01 39:17

Well, not finally. This was 14 years ago, no uh that's true.

SPEAKER_00 39:21

Well, finally for us. Um but you know, because I'm sick of the empty threats of hitting someone with a pocketbook.

SPEAKER_01 39:27

Well, Dorothy did do it, this wasn't on the camera because she's smarter than you. She was why not have it on the camera. She was if I met her at BravoCon, I'd ask her to pop me with a purse. I mean, she would. She did it for Andrew Andrew. She did do it for Andrew. Um can I call you Lakeisha?

SPEAKER_00 39:47

No, you may not. You can call me No Aaron. Oh, okay. Um is that what the feds call you? No, they call me La Troya. Um They call me Monique. Not Monique. Um, I did I did love after the fight because I Carrie was very upset. She was like, everybody get a fuck out of my house. Carrie was dragging it though.

SPEAKER_01 40:17

Well, after the fight I get, but she was taking it on from people are scared to show up to my house.

SPEAKER_00 40:22

She said, People will never come to my house again. It's like people are gonna say that you know what happens at Carrie's parties? People fight at Carrie's party. Which I mean, a lot of a lot of the a lot of those very like classy, like medical people at the event, they did seem horrified by what was going on. They're like, what the hell? They did seem a little gag. Wait a minute. Um I I did cackle at Carrie's messy ass husband when him and Carrie were talking after like the fight was over and everything. When he was talking about um Mariah's husband Aiden, he was like, Aiden is gonna divorce her tomorrow. She's screwed up.

SPEAKER_01 41:02

Honestly, the husbands weren't that bad in this show, but uh, whenever he was on camera, I was kind of cackling. Because he didn't see for the drama. He would be like, Carrie, don't fix this, you're being messy.

SPEAKER_00 41:11

But see, that's okay. So let's let's just get into Carrie because here's what here's my thing with Carrie. One thing that I didn't like, I didn't like her husband and the way he handled the situation with Quad. Because on the surface, he's encouraging her to make up or whatever. I'm like, okay, that seems nice. But my thing is, and we'll we'll uh we'll just rip the bandit off right here. I mean, Quad, I mean, for well, I mean, first of all, Carrie started with Quad. So, you know, this isn't about me being on Team Carrie or Team Quad because I'm just some dumb bitch from the sticks. It doesn't matter like what team I'm on. Um, but the thing is, is Carrie's husband should have been on her side because Quad called her, Quad called her a medical mistress and Quad outed her anorexia? Yeah, for her, he outed her anorexia in front of a Bravo camera that, you know, Andrew Jerome Cohen's messy ass is involved in. And then and then and then um Carrie's husband went to her, like, oh no, I want to be friends with her husband, so you need to make up with her. It's like, no, you need to get to the back.

SPEAKER_01 42:11

He was trying to get to the back. You're you're not wrong, but I didn't like Carrie, so I was cackling at that. Carrie, Carrie was something else. Carrie was something else. She came in kind of messy with yeah, they were definitely jumping quad a bit. So you start off, they're like being like, oh, Mariah likes to pick friends that look up to her. Like definitely being dismissive and shady towards Quad. Yeah. And then she, you know, dismissed Quad's husband, who was a psychiatrist, calling him a psychologist, several times.

SPEAKER_00 42:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:40

Several times. Yeah. So you know, once episode two happens, you know, even before the fight, we get quad probably throwing back, like, oh, so you're a medical mistress? Yeah. Oh, so would you learn that in somebody's anorexia clinic? Yeah, that's like you said, Carrie just admitted to it. She didn't even lie, they started crying off to the side, admitting to it. Yeah. Which a lot of them, they did an own city in the show. It was well produced. Yeah. It's the same producers as Miami. So I'm just like, they know how to make some TV.

SPEAKER_00 43:06

Yeah, I did think it was funny that Carrie, like, though, at that same event, even though she had been upset, like she kind of got over it because then she was making a joke about, well, my anorexic butt is gonna get up and get some food. And I cackled when she said the PayPal invoice.

SPEAKER_01 43:20

I was like, you know what?

SPEAKER_00 43:24

Carrie was always one to either write a check or make someone write her a check. It was always one. She was always one to be like, because I mean she did that to Mariah, which was very dismissive and rude when her and Mariah got into a little table fight and not like a fight like swinging or anything, but like in our argument. Um, and they uh while they were planning their joint birthday party and they were like talking about calling it off, and then Mariah said something about the money she had spent for the party. And then and then, like fucking Carrie's like, well, I'll write you a check. How much do you want? Do you want a new pair of shoes? Do you want a new dress? Do you want a new dress?

SPEAKER_01 43:56

That was messy.

SPEAKER_00 43:56

Yeah. Um, that thing is Carrie. Throughout the entire show, my thing with her is she was just so fucking condescending and dismissive. Just so very condescending.

SPEAKER_01 44:07

And then bringing up etiquette and acting ratchet it her damn self the next second.

SPEAKER_00 44:11

Right.

SPEAKER_01 44:12

And I was throwing little dog whistles. Micro. And they they peeped that shit. Mariah, Mariah peeped that shit.

SPEAKER_00 44:17

Well, that's like Mariah. One of the funny things is after the fight, when when I mean eventually Carrie kicked everyone out of her house, but she had to make sure to make an example out of Mariah first and kick her out first before everybody else separately. And like had security come in but and everything. And I just thought it was Carrie was like, not Carrie, uh Mariah was leaning against the house talking about something like, but you, but you see how they are once they get your coins.

SPEAKER_01 44:40

That was insane.

SPEAKER_00 44:41

Um, but yeah, no, she she made a lot of like little microaggressions, very clearly like putting herself above the other women. And it was definitely some weird behavior. Right. It's just very much like I mean it was a side bit to begin with. Right. When I said like before recording, it's just very much like Kim Zolsiak type shit, where I feel like at the time, because this was like pre-Botomic, like for whatever reason, they felt like they had to have at least one white woman on the cast, I guess. Like and that's something I felt like the same thing with Atlanta. And like just I don't know, just like this thing of like the one white woman on the cast kind of having a certain type of attitude, you know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 45:23

No, definitely, definitely there's a pattern. Yeah. And that's a husband and a team, it's crazy.

unknown 45:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 45:30

Well, what's not that Kim had one in season one, but Yeah. Well, you know what's funny to me? I feel like with both Atlanta at the beginning and this uh Mary to Madison at the beginning, I felt like in both in both situations, like the rest of the cast was perfectly welcoming to like cook Kim Zolsiak on that show and then Carrie on this show. It's not like it's not like she was getting attacked on day one or something by all the women, you know?

SPEAKER_01 45:53

No, she was in the majority then seemed to drag an issue out of everything. Obviously the thing with Mariah, but then I don't know. It seemed that nobody but Toya really messed with her.

unknown 46:01

Right.

SPEAKER_01 46:02

Well, I think the rest of the city. I mean, Sabone and Jackie didn't hate her, but I was like, did we see them hang out for real like that? So I think she might have just been like Mariah and Toya's friend and kind of just like there.

SPEAKER_00 46:10

Yeah. Well, and what's funny to me is um she met because like she mentioned at one point like how long her like her and Mariah have been friends for a long time. But then Mariah also another time said that they've known each other for like four years. So I was like, maybe a long time to TV sense. I don't know. Or longer than the other woman?

SPEAKER_01 46:29

I don't know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:30

But like I don't know. Like, I don't know if I consider knowing someone for four years like a long time. No, that's true. Like to me, a long friendship is like one of those ones that's like a decade plus or something, you know? Like us. Yeah, like us, yeah. Um, nothing that's like to me, that's like a long friendship. But yeah, I don't know. Carrie to me, I feel like she started off kind of like strong. And I don't mean that in a way of like I approve of her shenanigans, but more so like her and Toya kind of getting into the drama right away with Quad and like her kind of having like almost a level of vulnerability about like the anorexia and stuff like that, and her having like the mistress allegation going around. Like, I feel like she started off strong, but as the season fizzled as the season went on, like she kind of fizzled for me and wasn't really, I don't know, just compared to the other women, I think, as far as their entertainment value and their charisma and whatnot for a lot of of a lot of the other women. I feel like she just really faded into the background for me.

SPEAKER_01 47:25

You know, least entertaining, no real like personal thing. I mean, there were no real storylines, it was very much about the group. There were little bits and pieces of like, oh, just what's going on in our home, uh, at our practice.

SPEAKER_00 47:35

Unlike things.

SPEAKER_01 47:36

But even I think Carrie and her husband had the least. It was mostly like Carrie runs the business side of their practice. And I think they were trying to get Dr. Simone to move into like the they own the whole building where his practice was. So they're trying to get tenants. So a little bit of business savvy, but nothing that interesting. And even her role in the dynamics just like Toya's friend. Yeah, essentially like a less interesting like quad. And I don't really know if the rest of the cast really matched with her. And even at the reunion, they were like, you don't need to be here. That's what Mariah told her. Yeah. Right. That's the thing. Yeah, I feel like But she has tried.

SPEAKER_00 48:09

I'll give her a B plus for effort. Yeah, no, she she made a little bit of effort. She made a little bit of effort. And I think, yeah, I think similar to Mariah, I feel like she kind of came in here thinking like she's gonna be like that girl, you know, like she was gonna be the grand domain do you think so?

SPEAKER_01 48:25

I think she thought that. But she didn't send me at the reunion talk about you're missing out, Mariah, on forgiveness and kindness. Like she kinda is, she kind of is, but yeah.

SPEAKER_00 48:35

Like you, you ate that one little thing, Miss Anorexia. You ate that, oh, I didn't call her that. I didn't call her that. One time she ate. Now she ate at the event. She ate at the event. That's true. She did. She she had a little something. She had a plate. You know, she she she she didn't push the food around like the Beverly Hills women.

SPEAKER_01 48:54

I I would say, even though she dealt with the anorexia, Jackie was acting a little crazy about the bodies. Yeah, well, let's get in. So that storyline was taken.

SPEAKER_00 49:01

Yeah, well, let's get into our doctors, our Dr. Simone and our Dr. Jackie. And the reason why the reason why I mentioned them together is because they kind of did feel like a package deal at times this season. They had such like a funny dynamic, and they were both like the doctors of the group rather than the doctors' wives, and we And they're both OBGYNs. Yeah, I feel like they were both like a little bit less involved in the group stuff and a little bit more often doing their own thing together. Um they had to work now. They could they could have just sit around and drink, drink, and talk shit. But I I liked, I just liked their dynamic with each other. It felt it felt very like older, younger, like kind of like mentor um and stuff, like a mentorship and stuff like that. And also, I mean, it helps that apparent that we learned that um originally Simone did like was a partner in Jackie's practice and whatnot, and then had recently um moved out of it. But um, yeah, I love their little back and forth. Jackie was a little, a little, a little too mean at times to Simone, some of the things she was saying. Some of those things were really nasty.

SPEAKER_01 50:04

Right. And this in general, it's just like how she speaks about bodies and how black women should show up. It's a little I don't want to say archaic, but just you know, a little rude in how she shows up in the world. And not everybody is you, Dr. Jackie.

unknown 50:15

Right.

SPEAKER_01 50:16

I think Simone had a very more realistic stance on it. Like, who are we to police everybody? Which is my stance, which well, I can't be nobody moderator or a cop or nothing. Because I was like, well. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 50:26

Simone was like the Simone was like the very chill one between the two. And that's the and you know, uh, as uh was it was it Shimia that said that Portia brings a youthfulness to Auntie when talking about Phaedra? Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I think that that's Simone's role with Jackie. She's she's gotta kind of like kind of mellow her out a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 50:45

Yeah, bring bring us a little fun out. Bring us a little ballads. Yeah, but I'm sure that's why she left the practice. I'm sure Jackie was strict about them books. Right. Yeah. But anyway.

SPEAKER_00 50:55

Well, you went close out the client file, Simone. Yeah, well, Jackie, like, she kind of reminded me of like a little bit of a shady mom or whatever, where she constantly has something to say about like Simone's weight or what she was wearing or this or that. But uh Simone should have popped her. Actually, no, but that's not classy of doctors to do. I was saying if somebody popped after Jackie, you better bet you better bet I'm jumping in to protect that woman.

SPEAKER_01 51:21

But after the fight, Simone's gonna go, two bitches fighting in ball, get out. And I just was cracking up. Simone was definitely the comedic relief of the show. She's like the funny narrator, kind of audience stand-in. She's gonna react. Right. She didn't have the media scenes on her own and no real drama. It's kind of the candy, the candy roll, eating and reacting. Right. Well, and she's just very like sweet and likable, you know. Yeah. And I think both her and Jackie played the bridge when in different ways. Yeah. Jackie was more of like the peacemaker and trying to do it more actively. Yeah. But I think Simone was just more of like a sounding board, genuinely trying to get to know everyone. Right. But you need both. You need both.

SPEAKER_00 51:59

Right. And and I think Simone's gonna come in and kind of try to like lighten the mood up a little bit. Yeah, cut some of the tension.

SPEAKER_02 52:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 52:06

Um, but I I liked what they both brought because the majority of the cast is kind of like the doctor's wives thing. I like that they had this mixture of like some like doctors in here as well, because I feel like it was a way to give us like that insight into because like we got to kind of see them at work a little bit. And like it kind of gave us a moment to like look into the career aspect without having to like give the husbands a lot of screen time. Because I don't really like when husbands get a lot of screen time on these shows.

SPEAKER_01 52:36

Right. No, like promote their practices. We don't need to see Dr. Ada running around. Yeah. Also, I think their practices were also more like the you know, conducive to television, like with a primarily female audience having OBGYN. Speaking of that, I think was very important rather than I think the men were like in emergency medicine or something. Like, yeah, like okay. Like I think it's also more of an audience fit, too. Yeah. Yeah. Speaking of, I have a question, Noah. If we were women and if I was an OBGYN, would you let me deliver your baby?

SPEAKER_02 53:05

Would you come to me?

SPEAKER_00 53:08

You know, you're you're taking too long to answer, so you know, I think I would I think I would like to answer that.

SPEAKER_01 53:23

You said Issa Ray or Lisa Ray?

SPEAKER_00 53:25

Israel.

SPEAKER_01 53:32

Not Lisa Ray.

SPEAKER_00 53:34

You're gonna let diamond. You know, I you wanna let diamond all over your paper? Yeah, diamond, I feel like she seems like she does a good job. Isn't that what she was trying to go to school for? I think she wanna be a doctor, right? Something like that. Oh no, girl. Every stripper wants to be a doctor. Um, some want to be lawyers.

SPEAKER_02 53:55

That's true. Lawyers. Some want to be nuns. Some want to be real housewives.

SPEAKER_00 54:02

Oh yeah, like Ashley Darby.

SPEAKER_01 54:04

Um but um I mean Angel confirmed she said she saw her being a bottle girl. So not too far. I mean, Mia, Mia had the gowns, but you know, there was lobster and steak.

SPEAKER_00 54:17

So yeah, lobster and steak. It was a classy establishment. Um but um yeah, I I I overall I enjoyed Dr. Poe and Dr. Jackie. I feel like though, like you said, with Dr. Jackie, she's like, it's a little, it's a little much sometimes with her. It's just a teeny bit like much.

SPEAKER_01 54:36

Yeah, but the story was so emotional. I couldn't, you can't help but root for her and like respect her and appreciate her. Right. She spoke about surviving breast cancer twice and that impacting her fertility, but she still every day goes and delivers babies and is an OPGY and then such a pivotal role in that. Yeah, and then also like being rejected from adoption because of her breast cancer, and like it was too soon. I think that was that piece of it. I hadn't even thought about. So I was like, oh, that really stings. Right. So you know you just like respect her and how she shows up a lot. So for Toyota, I mean Mariah to make the digs about parenthood that she did is not that was that was really messed up, uh what Mariah said.

SPEAKER_00 55:15

Cause I believe the exact quote she made a comment and sh because she said what did she say exactly? Because I I wrote it down. I I wrote it down here. I put I put the exact quote in here because she said Oh my god she said, all the things she said running through her head.

SPEAKER_01 55:43

It's not that kind of show. It's not kind of I mean if there was a lesbian relationship out of season one, who would you predict that between? Oh yeah, no, because we're not gonna answer the question. Wait, what was the question? It was just a ridiculous question. I said if if if two people from the cast went off to be lesbian lovers, who would they be? Oh because maybe Toya and Mariah need to work it out on the remix.

SPEAKER_02 56:10

I think I was thinking more so like Toya and Carrie.

SPEAKER_00 56:17

Carrie does only picture in there. I don't know, Carrie to me kind of gives lesbian.

SPEAKER_01 56:24

I could see it. I could see her in that like sex in the city episode with like the bougie rich lesbians. Yeah, the power lesbians. The power lesbians. The power lesbians. The New York City. Back to the quote.

unknown 56:36

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 56:36

I think I think I think we know one of those, but back to the quote, back to the quote. We do know one of those. We do. Um, well, and like, yeah, because they were talking about like being able to like show empathy and everything. And like Mariah was talking about Jackie not having never given birth to a child. And what Jackie was saying, you know, she knows how it feels to love a child. And Mariah says, You really don't even have a clue. I'm not being funny. I'm like, that's that was insane, right?

SPEAKER_01 57:05

Especially like Simone brought up later on that like she literally has a child with a man who's like not the but paternal father, like not like the biological father, that's a better word. So it's like, what do you what do you mean? It's not adding up. But but I think you know, there's a reason that Mariah and Toya are known as the brightest of the show.

SPEAKER_00 57:27

Yeah, and I don't know, that's just such a such a rude thing to say. And I mean, yeah, I mean it it's it definitely, like you said, it adds a humanness to Jackie that even when she's not always being the kindest or not always being like the least judgmental, like you can't help but kind of like want to root for her and cheer her on and everything because she is such a she's such like a survivor and like an accomplished woman.

SPEAKER_01 57:53

And she's a very like Michelle Obama energy, like very 2010. Like, this is class. Yeah. You know what's funny though, but she had her little sexy photo shoot. She's like, this is for my husband. And they were gagged over the little photo of her and her lingerie giving it. And her body looked good. Dr. Jackie was giving it.

SPEAKER_00 58:07

Yeah, I I I cackled so hard when she walked out of uh the lemon squeeze event. Um I will not do this for women. I can't do it. I cannot make a mockery of women. I will not, I cannot, I am out.

SPEAKER_01 58:24

The lemon squeeze show. But she showed up for that reunion, so right. Well, you know what? She said, let me get it. She showed up at that finale event with her. Sorry. Talk about you gotta nip and tuck me and safety pin me everywhere. Speaking of that, that event, you know, appropriate in 2012, 2013, not really, not really today. Yeah. Nor Mariah saying they're gonna see my red dot and feather side, which also inappropriate today.

SPEAKER_00 58:47

Yeah, well, you know, Monique Samuels, all we needed was Moni Samuels to pop up in a in a headdress.

SPEAKER_01 58:54

But at least her husband is part of the culture. So Mariah has, I think, a bit of more of a tie than Monique.

SPEAKER_00 59:00

Right, right. I feel like she has like a little bit more of like a valid. Right. That food looks good. Them kebabs look good. I was like, can I get a plate? I love kebabs. Not your vegan kebabs. Yeah, I make some really good tofu kebabs. Um I believe that. You like seasoning. Well, speaking of seasoning, let's talk about quad. I thought you were gonna promote some tab time seasoning. I was like, when'd you get that deal? Oh, well, you know. She for whatever reason she just offered it to me. I don't know. Um I mean, I hope so. You're the vegan. Uh, but let's let's talk about quad because she she was quite a bit of seasoning on this season.

SPEAKER_01 59:39

I love me so quad on her soliloquy. She is quad is the definition of a soliloquy. She's gonna extend the scene and make it dramatic. I don't know how much soap opera she was as a child, but I think it was a lot.

SPEAKER_00 59:52

She is just something else. Like, she is truly something else. Like, she is one of those ones where it's like, yep, you were destined to be like discovered by like a reality TV casting producer, like one day. Like it was gonna happen eventually. You were meant to be on television.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:06

This is what she was meant to do. Because the drama, if not that, then like a soap actress on the Hallmark channel, something along those lines. It's just it's what fits her in her drama the best. Because even, you know, coming into the show, I knew Quad was a little over the top. I had seen the meme of her in the big ass bandage, like the size of her face. So I knew she liked a little stuff. But you know, we see like a little balance of her. We see the fun side, but you also see the very extra, like everything is like, you know, a big grandiose statement. And you hurt me deeply to the core, Noah, when when you said that. When you those words left your lips, and you said I looked like a fat ass Kelly Pratt. Like it was everything's just that level of drama, you know?

SPEAKER_00 1:00:46

Yeah. No, she she she she should definitely be in the soaps. Like it's just that's I mean, that's that's her calling. Um, I just some of the stuff she did, like um, because like obviously, like we said earlier, tacky to tacky toya, that's from Quad. Um, and then she I I after her after she got kind of jumped by at that first group event by um Carrie and Toya being mean and nasty. I just got because she said they came with a malicious intent to destroy, to belittle me, to put me down. I mean they did, but she she you really went SAT with it. Well, I think because she could have just said she could have just said destroy, belittle, or put me down, but she had to she had to make all she had all free. I mean destroy was all dramatic to begin with. I tried to destroy it. She could have left it not belittle. But then and then like Toya immediately, like in her confessional talking about Quad saying, I can because this is unhinged. She said, I can spot ghetto from a mile away. She probably dated a drug dealer in the past and locked out the boxer. How are you gonna reach that conclusion? It's episode one, mind you. She's saying one. We are this is like probably less than 30 minutes into the episode. Right.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:05

Well, I mean, this whole time we're meeting Quad. She's talking about her husband, called off the wedding. Well, Toya's putting the kid that they called off the wedding. Yeah. Quad's admitting to it, and this is where she's admitting to the mugshot that she has because she they we don't even know the full story. They just had an incident that led to the both getting mugshots. So Quad opened up episode one. Toya and the girls don't find out until like episode like nine or ten towards the end of the show. So at least she's getting ahead of her own story. But you it's so funny you pointed that out because I didn't even realize that these girls do spill their own teeth. So they're like they're getting ahead of the story, which I respect.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:38

I wonder if that's why. I mean, we we'll see how the show progresses as we watch it, but I wonder if that's why Phaedra didn't fit in very well. Because that's what that's what I heard is that Phaedra did not fit in well with the cast when she joined. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:51

They also were like all real friends and Phaedra wasn't. So I wonder if that was like part of it too. I think just because Phaedra lies all the damn time. Yeah. They're also like, why are you over here? Like you just get your own shit because they kind of mentioned like the Atlanta Married to Madison of it all a little bit in this, which ones that they didn't know. But I realized that during the time, Nini was making like shady remarks about Married to Madison, calling it like a knockoff show and all this. Which I mean a little bit, but of course Nini would do that.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:16

Well, they I mean it kind of is a knockoff, but it also it was, I feel like this first season that we've watched was so good that it justified itself as a knockoff.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:26

For sure. And I mean, all these shows are knockoffs, basketball wives, whatever.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:31

It's all like essentially the same thing, just different models and production styles. Well, even Andy Collins will tell you that the Real House of Orange County, the very first of this whole batch of shit, that it was like supposed to be like a reality TV parody of Desperate Housewives, you know?

SPEAKER_01 1:03:46

Like so. Nobody owns the format, Mariah. We're talking to you. Right. I mean, on some. Quad and her dramatics, I liked her and her dogs that she put up in them sweaters, walking around. I loved when Quad went to work. I feel like Quad had the partner I knew about the least. Maybe I just wasn't paying attention to her partner. But the most thing I learned about him is that he used to date Phaedra and that he had a mugshot. And Phaedra was invited to the wedding. And Antonio won a caco. Everyone was invited to that damn wedding. Has it seems like everyone was invited to the wedding, but I'm on Quad's side.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:21

Has Phaedra ever been in love with a man that doesn't have a mugshot?

SPEAKER_02 1:04:28

Um Jamal Bryant probably doesn't have one.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:34

He's got a lot of other stuff, but not a mugshot. That's true. A lot of kids, no mugshots. Nine kids.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:41

I'm not quite sure. We'll see who Phaedra is romantically linked to next.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:45

Oh Phaedra.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:48

Let's ask Angela Stanton. She's out now.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:51

She is bitter. She's so bitter. I mean, I would be too, but still, she's just so bitter. Yeah. But yeah, I feel like Quad was just. And the thing is with Quad, is she she does go low and she takes it to another level at times. But my thing is, is they were attacking her right off the gate.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:15

Yeah, I don't even think she was one of the worst in this. I don't even think she was in the top half of Messi on the show. Yeah. I think it was Mariah, Toyota Carey were like the Messiest.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:24

They were like at the top.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:25

Quad was right behind them.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:28

She was on the defense most of the time. Oh, for sure. I mean, I all I I know little bits and pieces about what's happened vaguely. Like I've seen the clips here and there. I know at some point Samoya not Samoya. I combined Simone and Toya. At some point Simone circles Toya, like, you don't think. You don't think. Which now that I know the context of them both, Toya probably wasn't thinking. And for Simone to go off like that, it's like you must have done something. Right? Right. Something. I know there's one season where Quad of the Tensor. Like iced out. This is like a like a later one, like maybe a couple years ago, like 10, 11 in that range. Requad is essentially iced out. So she must have done something crazy. I was acting acting up. So you know, watching the show, I'm like, how do they get 11 more years of this? That was my first reaction. I'm like, how do y'all survive? And it seems to be the same core. I see a lot of the obviously I knew Carrie was a one season wonder. And they add on Heavenly, but it seems to be that six. And a few others move, you know, rotate out, but the same core seems to be there.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:30

Yeah, no, when I looked it up, it's similar to Potomac, where they've had like a pretty good retention of OGs over the years. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:38

I know we got Heavenly Added. I know there's somebody called Contessa coming. I know there's like the lady who throws a drink on Quad.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:45

But other than that, Quad with some of her not so kind remarks and stuff. It's like, I just can't find myself the energy to get mad when somebody is just essentially being reactive to being mistreated. Similar to like a Candace on Potomac. Candace regularly says things that are probably crossing lines that are very low blows, that are very, very nasty. But at the same time, it's like, y'all keep trying her. Y'all keep trying to bully this girl. Right.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:20

And like Quad didn't even go to hell in the way the others did. I think she she kind of started it with like the jabs with Carrie, but Carrie started, she like went back. But I don't know. The anorexia clinic was followed up two episodes later by the paternity in a fight and almost getting pushed in the pool.

unknown 1:07:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:35

It looks light in comparison. And then we get all of Mariah's grandstanding and Toya's mess. So it's like the capabilities to be messy, but this season she wasn't even talking about.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:45

Well, I think part of it is I think at the very beginning, I feel like Toya and Carrie, like they thought they were gonna come in and just bully this girl. Yeah. And I think when she fought back the way she did, they were like, they're like, hold on. They're like, oh. Yeah, they're like, oh she's TV ready too. Right. They're like, maybe I'm not gonna like. Maybe we're not gonna like steamroll her. So I feel like maybe that's why they like toned it down a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:06

Yeah. And when I think it was good that Quad had at least like Mariah and her EP energy on her side to an extent. Right. So I'm sure Mariah was like, girl, give it back to them.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:14

You don't gotta be scared of these hoes. Carrie? You already scared of Carrie. Well, I'll say, yeah, I think I think if Quad did not have Mariah in her court, there would have been a much higher risk of her just getting iced out by these girls.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:25

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:26

So what do you think about the reunion overall? Did you like it?

SPEAKER_01 1:08:29

Did it deserve, did they deserve one?

SPEAKER_00 1:08:31

I think so. They absolutely deserved a reunion. I love the fact that it was a two-parter because I know sometimes with these shows, um, when it's their first season, they might just get one.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:40

Yeah. No, they got two. It was essentially a three-parter. That like shit they should have shown special at the end with essentially them sitting down the app big and then like deleted scenes in between. Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:49

Yeah, no, I think it was good. I I mean, I think for me, for me, I think because there have been some reunions over the course of like the Bravo verse or whatever that have been like insane, iconic, amazing. Like those are the ones that like other reunion most reunions kind of disappoint me a little bit because like those ones are so good, like those few are so good. I feel like usually reunions aren't my favorite part of a season. Um but I mean this one was good. It was solid. It was like, it was, I think it was good enough, and they deserved it. They deserved to have that reunion. No, for sure.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:23

Definitely deserved it. I think it was a nice wrap-up to the season. It was good getting everyone, you know, together again, wrapping up the storylines. Yeah. Really getting like the final like Toya versus you know Mariah of it all. Which I was annoyed. Mariah must have pulled some antics. Because first of all, Andy Cohen comes out like, Mariah, this is your show. Introduce everybody. So Mariah gets to introduce everybody. And then we go over, then like on the first scene on the other side is Carrie, not Toya. So I'm like, this seems like some Mariah antics.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:50

But overall, I think it was a good wrap-up of the show. We close out some of the storylines. And although there wasn't like full resolution in between, you know, the like Mariah and Toya, I do think it wasn't like contentious, like we can't film with each other anymore, which is what's important. It it kind of I don't think Toya ever would have Mariah probably would have pulled that, but Toya didn't see why she'd pulled it by not send the bitch to my house. Come on, let's go.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:12

That's what Toya gives me. Because Toya's made it clear that she just wants to make her money, get her bag, get her lifestyle and everything. So she's not gonna, she's not gonna refuse to film and turn down the check. Right. Well, you know, she's trying to get that new house. And Eugene trying to sign that mortgage. Right. And it's I it's either she's gotta do married to medicine or her man's gotta start doing Botox. It's one or the other. She was trying to get him on that botox. And he said that's that's not emergency care. And she's like, it it could be for some women.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:39

I mean, she's not wrong. She probably should have listened to Carrie on how to help her man's practice. But I'm not, I wouldn't want Toya in the books. I'm sorry. Yeah, that could be that could be a mess. I don't I don't know if I trust her with all that. That she's gonna build my insurance wrong, and I'm gonna be in some mess for years.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:57

Years. Years are bullshit.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:00

Well, what I want to do after each season is I want us individually to rank the castmates so that we can like revisit this, see how it's changed over the seasons. And I don't know. Do whatever metric you want, who you like the most, who you think contributes the most. Okay. It's you. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:17

I'm so my ranking.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:19

One, yeah. One's the best, six the worst.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:22

My ranking is not necessarily based off who's actually doing the best or bringing the most to the show. It's just based off of who like I personally am standing. So my list would start with Dr. Jackie, number one. That's my girl. You love you some Dr. Jackie. I do less than Dr. Jackie. I would put Dr. Jackie, Quad, Dr. Simone, Toya, Mariah, Carrie.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:52

Okay. That's how I would go. I would do definitely Dr. Simone one, Quad two.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:01

This is where it gets tough. I'm gonna put Taki Toya at three, Jackie at four, Mariah at five, and Carrie at six. But like three, four, and five, it's like it's close. Yeah. Like one good scene from each of them could change it all. Could change it all. I can go to three, you know. Right. So, you know, Toya, some Dr. Jackie. Well, I don't think I Mariah, they're each, but I I like them all. Yeah. I appreciate them all. They brought it to the show. Now that I'm Dr. Simone, I just like related to her. I thought she was funny. Right. Like in a lot of react situations. I was like, this is how I would react.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:37

So I love me too, Dr. Simone. Right, that thing, yeah. And I don't know if I really relate to Dr. Jackie. I don't think her and I really have anything in common for the most part. But I can name a few things. But I I enjoy her.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:52

I like Dr. Jackie a lot. I love I I appreciate Dr. Jackie I respect Dr. Jackie. I will say that. Yeah. That's my girl. You know, I would let her deliver my surrogate. That's probably expensive. That's probably gonna double my surrogacy costs. Not saying I I I I would let her bully me into going to the gym. I don't think you'd be bullying for that. Some days. Sundays. Would you let her put you in some star-ups? Would you get in some star ups for Dr. Jackie? I'm I yeah, if she wanted to do it for the bed, it probably.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:23

But I feel like she wouldn't want to do that. Probably not. I'm not operating you around like you're a celebrity client. I feel like she'd be like, I don't I don't I don't want to look at no booty, huh?

SPEAKER_01 1:13:34

I think she would say it exactly like that too. And she'd make a remark about your diet.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:41

Oh, I f I wonder, I wonder what she would think of veganism. I don't know, you should ask her. She sees she sees she seems like.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:48

I'm sure she has it. She seems like she has an opinion on everything. She started her blog. What is it called? The vaginal flower?

SPEAKER_00 1:13:54

The lights of the vaginal flower. She seems like the type that would tell me that would be like be like, you need you need some lean meats in your diet. I think she would recommend some iron supplements. She might be fair about it. Right.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:07

I think she'd be very clinical about it. I don't know. Right, right. No, you know what I trust her. I try I trust Dr. Jackie. But um, I don't know. I enjoyed married to medicine. I'm excited for season two. I might start her earlier than I thought I would. Who knows? Might as well. Right? And I'm also trying to get married to medicine, so we need to be we need to be at bars near some medical schools now. We need to get to the bag. Any doctors out there? Screw that.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:31

Let's ask right on the podcast.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:32

Any doctors married to medicine we have?

SPEAKER_00 1:14:34

Any single doctors watching this podcast, listening to this podcast? I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:39

But our friend who dated a nurse went through it, so I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:45

Well, that that was that was a nasty nurse that he was dating. That was a nasty nurse.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:52

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SPEAKER_00 1:15:26

So and now paging Dr. Aiden, Dr. Noah, nurse whoever. There's no more hopes.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:36

There's no more hopes. There's no more hosts. Nurse Carter. And a Yanka. We can just say friends of the show. Erica. Roy. Roy. Carter. John. Oh, I almost said Abby. That's my other show. Not. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:55

No, she's in the meats. Um