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The 6 Types of Working Genius
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Why does some work give you energy while other work drains you?
Join Certified Working Genius consultants Laurie Trujillo and Marc Woodson, with co-host Jose Marin, as they unpack the 6 Types of Working Genius and how understanding them can strengthen teamwork, productivity, and joy at work.
Welcome to the NCC Advantage Podcast where we discuss organizational health as it relates to the Northern California Conference of Seventh day Adventist. I'm Mark Woodson, and I'm here with my host, Jose Moran. Jose, how are you feeling?
SPEAKER_01I'm feeling great and excited about today's podcast. I think our listeners are going to be benefited by what we need to share today in our discussion.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, what is our uh discussion today? What's our topic? I'm excited too.
SPEAKER_01Yes, our topic is the six types of working genius.
SPEAKER_04The six types of working genius. I don't know how many have heard about this. This concept of working genius has been around maybe for the last two or three years. Uh comes from the table group, uh Patrick Lancioni's uh organization, and they are the leaders in organizational health, but they created uh this concept of working genius, and uh we're gonna talk about that today. But before we do, we are glad today that we have a special guest with us, and that is Lori Trijillo. Lori is assistant to the president for the Northern California Conference, and she is also director of communication and development. Lori, how are you? And we're glad you're here.
SPEAKER_00I am doing excellent. Thank you so so much for having me come to this podcast. This is super exciting.
SPEAKER_04Now we have you here not just as a guest, because we see you as an expert in the area of working genius, and we're not just saying that because you've been involved in it, but you also have been certified as a working genius from the table group.
SPEAKER_00So we had to take certain courses, and now this certification and practice, and yeah.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. Also, I would say that Lori is on our leadership team that we have here. Um, she's a member of the leadership team, has been from the beginning of our team, and uh has been on this journey of organizational health with us through the ups and downs, right, Lori? What a journey and the ins and outs. So she comes with comes with great experience. So the first thing we're gonna we're gonna dive right in. What is working genius?
SPEAKER_00Well, the the thing with working genius is a lot of people think that it is a personality that they have to have, or that they're when they take the assessment, they get a personality. This is not about personality. Working genius is about productivity. And productivity, how does that translate? The productivity is the what brings us energy and satisfaction when we are completing or doing a job task. Um, whether that be planning, sitting in a meeting, working with people in the on the local level, teaching, preaching, what is it that brings you satisfaction and energy?
SPEAKER_04Okay, so it's not personality. Not personal. This is kind of your working, would that would it be safe to say it's your working style and what brings you joy in that working style?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that's a great way to say it.
SPEAKER_04What brings you fulfillment in that working style? Okay.
SPEAKER_00And I think it I think in addition to fulfillment, it's what brings you when you arrive at completion of a task.
SPEAKER_04Oh, completion at a task.
SPEAKER_00Oh, completion of a task. So it's not about what it's when I complete a task, how do I feel? Do I feel drained?
SPEAKER_02Oh.
SPEAKER_00And or do I feel energized? Right. You know, and and there's various, and with and they talk about the six types of working genius for that.
SPEAKER_04And I remember first hearing about uh working genius uh from Patrick Lincioni when they kind of fell upon this. Uh it was kind of a discovery that they fell upon. And the question that they were asking was, why do you do what you do? Or how is it that you do what you do? And that's kind of how this how this got started, with with the perspective that that everyone has kind of a way that they function. And uh so that's how they got started with this. So um let's let's dive right in then and talk about these six types of work. There's six types of working genius. Correct.
SPEAKER_01And I think one of the exciting things, as you're going to be sharing, that we have found out with the working genius, these are not meant to be work in isolation. These are meant to see the fullest of it when they work in the in the setting of a team. So that's one of the things I wanted to uh ask Lori is what what are the six types of working genius?
SPEAKER_00Well, we we like to start with uh the first genius, which is Wonder.
SPEAKER_04Wonder.
SPEAKER_00Wonder. So wonder is the genius of, and they're the ones that ask the question, what could be better?
SPEAKER_04What could be better?
SPEAKER_00What could be better? So they they naturally will notice opportunities for improvement, and they will ask other questions like, why do we have to do it this way? Uh is there a better approach we could be using? Or what problem overall are we trying to solve with this particular task or or meeting? So they're very curious, um, they're thoughtful, they see opportunities that others will overlook, and they really do like to identify again those opportunities and challenge the status quo.
SPEAKER_04Wonder. Wonder. So that's the wonder. Okay.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01All right. What's the next one? Yeah, what's the what's the what's the next one?
SPEAKER_00So the next one down, so once, and I don't it's not down, it's crossed. The next one would be invention.
SPEAKER_04Invention.
SPEAKER_00So if you notice wonder, ask the question what could be better? The inventor or the invention is here's the idea. So they're not asking a question, they're actually presenting a solution. So the wanderer says, what could be better? The inventor says, this is how this can look. So they love creating solutions, um, and they need and they they're really good at identifying uh those solutions, brainstorming to see what other creative ways they can do it. And they will ask certain types of questions, though, an inventor. And if you think about any inventor, from those that created you know the planes to those that created the radio, they're asking questions, well, what if we tried this?
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Or here's another possibility, perhaps, that we have. Or, you know, I really like that idea.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_00So they're really the idea solution generators.
SPEAKER_01Right.
SPEAKER_00Okay.
SPEAKER_01And and I would say that you have explained it perfectly because one of the questions that I hear from people who are implementing organizational health as they're doing working genius and people who have invention or wonder, this is a question that I often hear is about what's the difference between the working genius of wonder and invention? Because it seems like both have creativity uh tied to it. But I think you've done a great job in explaining the difference. Is there anything else about that? If not, what would be the next uh working genius?
SPEAKER_00Well, I I think it's important because it is, it's on a task. When you're completing a task, you should start with wonder, what you know, looking at the big picture, and then you come up with a solution. So if someone loves to come up with a solution, they may get frustrated at asking the question. Okay. Because they may not see the possibilities that are out there. So I like if you're looking across a forest and you're trying to navigate from one side to the other, the wonders will be up on the top of the mountain. The inventors will be, how do we make our, you know, should we jump down? Should we scale down? Should we go through the forest? Should we figure out a way around? So the inventors are constantly coming up with solutions. The wonder is how do we get from point A to point B in the best way possible?
SPEAKER_01All right. Sounds good. I can almost imagine that there are some listeners that are saying, oh, that's probably me. But I'm sure there's others. And so what's the next uh working genius?
SPEAKER_00So the next working genius is discernment. Um, and the discerners are the ones that say this feels, they're very much intuitive, they they they they see the gut, so this feels right. So the wonderer says, what could be the where could we go? The inventor comes up with a solution, the discerner reacts to the solution. So the discerner says, you know, if we do XYZ, this may happen. And if we do XYZ, this may happen. If we do XYZ, this may happen. And they're just really good at using intuition and judgment. Um, and they can quickly evaluate ideas and determine if they're gonna work or not. And it's the idea is that quick. Um, and so they're gonna say things like, and they're not asking questions. So the discerners rarely will ask a question. The discerners will say, you know, I think this will work, or this has a potential, or this could be the highest risk. Um, so they're providing wisdom, wisdom, judgment, and feedback. So they're interacting. A discerner can't be by itself. A discerner has to interact with a solution, and the discerner comes through and says, maybe that'll work.
SPEAKER_04So already we're seeing how these working geniuses work together. So if you're on a if you're working on a project, you're starting with wonder, uh, but that's just the idea. The inventor then comes up with the tool by which that idea becomes more reality. The discerner is looking at that tool and saying, is that the best way to go about this?
SPEAKER_00Is that so those kind of are working together, you can see how they and the discerner may throw back to the inventor, that too won't work. So the the inventor will say, Oh, let's try this tool. And so the inventor and the discerners go back and forth quite a bit. And there's and there we talk about an organizational conflict. There's conflict a lot between inventors and discerners because the discerners questioning the inventor, and the inventor has to be okay with the discerner saying maybe we should try something different. So there's there's a lot of conflict between the two. In a positive way, though.
SPEAKER_04So we have wonder, we have invention, we have discernment. What's next?
SPEAKER_00So the next one is the galvanizers.
SPEAKER_04The galvanizers.
SPEAKER_00The galvanizers, they're the ones that say, and again, they don't ask a question. They say, Let's go.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_00So the galvanizers inspire people to take action. That's the key point, is they have this innate ability to inspire others to do something about whatever the invention and discerners came up. How do we gonna use this tool? They inspire others to use that tool that we're talking about. So they they're gonna come in once the direction is decided, they're gonna say, let's all get together. So they're casting vision. A lot of times they may be recruiting volunteers or they're building enthusiasm and they move people toward action. So really the key word I think for galvanizers is mobilization.
SPEAKER_01Mobilization. And how important that is as well. So as we as you as you mentioned, Mark, as we see the different types of working genius, how they complement each other and they need each other to be able to get a better, a better sense of accomplishing tasks. So I'm curious about what's the next one.
SPEAKER_00So the next one is enablement. And um when Lincioni was studying this, you know, enablement was the was the hardest genius because enablement is in and how I see it is like the softest of all of them.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_00They're the ones that say, How can I help? So they're not out trying to get it, they're not inventing and discerning and going back and forth, they're not wondering. They're once everything is all ready and and you're moving the project, you mobilize, the enabler has the ability to say, How can I help? And they have this fabulous ability to see how they can help even before there's a problem. They just have this ability.
SPEAKER_04You know, enablement, uh, I think one of the challenges with with people who have the working genius enablement, enablement has gotten such a bad connotation of today because if you're an enabler, that that's that's considered uh negative, right? Uh especially in the world of addiction and other things, right? But in this case, it's very positive, and it is a genius on its genius of itself because there are people who are just really to help and and get things done by by enabling, by and helping, by helping. I I think this is akin in some ways to the spiritual gift of helpes. Yeah right. There's that spiritual gift of help in in First Corinthians 12, and I think enablement is in that it truly is a gift. It truly is a gift.
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SPEAKER_00It is. I mean you think about those that don't have enablement and that we need help to get things done, and and enablers just have this ability to just naturally see when we need help.
SPEAKER_01And and sometimes enablers can maybe feel like, well, I don't have a lot to contribute, but believe me, enablers have a lot to contribute because without them, there was a lot of stuff that we would not be able to accomplish with their help. That's right.
SPEAKER_00Correct.
SPEAKER_04So that's five. Yeah. We've got one more.
SPEAKER_00One more. The last one, which is which I think makes sense, is tenacity.
SPEAKER_04Tenacity.
SPEAKER_00So the tenacious people love to compete, uh to complete, to not compete. Yeah. Well, they might like to compete.
SPEAKER_04Compete as well.
SPEAKER_00Uh but they like to complete. So they're the type of people that if there's a if there's a list, they like to check that list out.
SPEAKER_03Right?
SPEAKER_00They love a list, um, they love deadlines, and they're the ones that will ask the question in a project. So you have the wonderers and and moving down, they're the ones, okay, what's left to do? Who owns this, and when will we be finished?
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00So they're really the ones at the very end because the wonderers are still wondering, and the inventors and the discerners are still doing their thing. The galvanizers are let's go, the enablers are like, how can I help? So the tenacity people help keep a team on track. They're the ones that really care about that deadline and drive us to, as sometimes they'll say, land the plane.
SPEAKER_04Land the plane. All right. So that yeah, those are the six types of working genius. And if you're an acronym person like I am, um, that actually spells widget. Right. That's a way to kind of remember what all all six uh all six of these are because they do work together. And if you see some of the graphics behind this, you see that those those that widget, those widgets are working together. Now, we like to say that every job is a six-letter job. Right. So, what are we talking about when we say that every job is a six-letter job?
SPEAKER_00Well, I think it's important. So if you were to ever take the assessment, the working genius assessment, which you can find at workinggenus.com, you're gonna get a report that tells you what your genius is, so what you really derive energy from and what you're frustrated with and what sucks your energy. And I think a lot of times people will say, Well, I need a job or I need to work on tasks that that that only fit my what drives me and what what gives me energy. And I need to avoid those ones, those tasks that that cause frustration. And what you refer to, Mark, is is not true. Every job, you've got to do all of them. Right. And you can't avoid, so I can't rely on somebody outside of me or my team to say, go do this, because we don't have tenaciousness on our team. So we need the discipline to follow each one, even if we don't like it, even if it doesn't drive energy. But I think what I've when I've talked to people, interacted with teams, what's important is if you are frustrated by, let's say, enablement, if you do too much work in enablement, if you're constantly trying to help the team, help the team, help the team, that's great. But you need to take time to re-energize. You've got to take time away. Because again, that's why we call this a productivity tool, not a personality tool. So recognizing what activities take your energy allows you to internally take extra time to take care of yourself so that you can give back to the work. So I'm not sure.
SPEAKER_04So let's get back to what you said before, because you talked about uh there's there are two uh geniuses and then you talked about two frustrations. So that's six. But so talk a little bit more about that, the the frustrations and then the the two geniuses. What what are the differences between those? And then that leaves two other geniuses, and what do we do with those? What's considered there? If you take your assessment, how will that show up?
SPEAKER_00Right. So as I said, so the so the genius is what you derive energy. There's going to be two.
SPEAKER_04There'll be two out of the six.
SPEAKER_00Two out of the six will will be, and and they may be in different combinations, but there's two out of the six that are your genius, which again is is that that energy that way and then you have your frustrations. So your frustration is what sucks your energy out. So what makes you go, I just don't want it. And then you have your competencies.
SPEAKER_02Okay.
SPEAKER_00And I think that um in studying competencies and working with people, when people get burned out in a job or in a task, it's because they're actually working too much in their competencies.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, and not really the the joy and the fulfillment of their of their geniuses.
SPEAKER_00Right, because most people will naturally avoid their their frustrations. They'll just naturally avoid it. And they'll naturally gravitate to what gives them energy, but they usually will ignore those competencies. So understanding your six geniuses again allows you as an employee, I've even seen this work in marriages and in families, allows you to realize what is gonna help you and where you might have holes or where you might need help. And I think, Jose, that's where you mentioned this is a team effort. This is where the team is very helpful.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. I think one of the things also that is very valuable that I've also heard is that when people understand their work in genius and how this plays out and the work they do, I've heard people say, man, this is very deliberating in the sense that I used to feel very guilty because I couldn't do this or get frustrated. Oh, they felt you said liberating? Yeah. They felt li liberated. Yeah, liberated. Yeah, that I don't okay. Yeah, they felt guilty because, man, I can never get things done. And and I couldn't figure out why. But now understanding that I have people we can actually work together. So I found that to for people to say that, that has been very liberating.
SPEAKER_04I I like that too, because there there's I think there's a focus in in scripture, and you find it when it's talking about the gifts or the body of Christ, that there's not this sense of there's not this sense of independence, neither is it just dependence, but it's interdependence. And I think working genius really taps into that biblical concept of the body of Christ of interdependence, so that I'm really not supposed to do the work alone. Correct. It's always to be with someone else where I'm strong in an area, uh whatever my genius is. It doesn't mean I don't do the other things that are maybe even frustrating, but I spend, I try to find work that's more in my area of genius where I get the fulfillment. It doesn't mean the other four things I will never have to do. Right. Uh, because sometimes we make that mistake too, don't we? Like, well, I don't have the working genius of tenacity, and so therefore I'm never gonna be tenacious. Right. Yeah. Well, that's not the case for our. I'm never gonna be, you know, I don't have the gift or the genius of enablement, so I'm never gonna help. Right. That's not what it's to be for. It's just where you get where you really thrive and where we could use each other's gifts for the sake of the work.
SPEAKER_00Right. And I think and I and and I like that definition where we thrive, I think he's even better than where we derive our where we thrive. But again, we uh we have to do all the tasks at one point or another. And I I always for myself and for others I've worked with, it's kind of a it's a self-realization tool. Right. And and working with young kids, um, the the they say working genius shows up early, early on. And so I've done this a number of times with college students. And they all of a sudden will say, Well, that's why that professor, I can't succeed with that professor, because there and this is my genius, and so it does, it's liberating and it does impact, and then as they're going out into the field, they're able to look at what kind of jobs might be more rewarding perhaps than other jobs. So it's kind of a an evaluation tool as well.
SPEAKER_04So wouldn't it be so great if you could put for every job description, you would say these are the working geniuses that really fit into that job description? That'd be kind of cool. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, then I can have something like that, don't you?
SPEAKER_04Or when you're creating a job. Or when you're creating a job description, right? And we think of the geniuses are important.
SPEAKER_01And we've begun to do that a little bit more proactively in looking at certain job descriptions is what are some of the working geniuses that is needed for this kind of uh role? And and even though it's not in the job description, we we already have been thinking about it strategically because we do know that that makes a difference.
SPEAKER_04Yes, it does. So I want to make this more now, let's put it in the world of church and then school, right? Because that's what we work with, churches and schools, and of course this the conference office or our headquarters. What how can we Working genius, and this is not just for you, Lori, because Jose, you might be able to ask, answer this too. How does working genius, how does that show up and what's the benefit of it for a in a church setting? What would that look like in a church setting?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I think, well, I mean, churches all the time there's projects to be done. Yes. Whether it be, you know, whether it be their community service project, they have an ad hoc meeting that they're trying to solve an issue, um, they're trying to plan a certain community service project that they have, uh, a choir or whatever it is, having the working genius for these different projects or activities that they're trying to accomplish will make it's night and day. It will make a difference. And for them to be able to have all the different working genius, the different angles and perspectives to add, you know, thinking about the wonder. Thinking about a community service project with wonder.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_01With invention, you know, with discernment, yeah, with the galvanizing part of it. With the people who say, hey, I can help in this, and then with the with the people also who say, Hey, I'll help it get it to the finish line. Yeah. So I think in terms of church work, this actually I would say you can't do without it. You need it. You need it. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00We we've we've worked with um, I've worked with a number of churches who have utilized the tool here in Northern, and they've taken the assessment, they've used it for their boards, if they decided. Okay. They've also used it and they used it for their leadership team. Yes. Um, some of them have even just used it for their elders because what they're trying to, they will what and then once they once we go through it and we review it, kind of like you were saying, it's liberating for the members to go, oh well that's why I couldn't get prayer ministry off the ground. And in order to get prayer ministry off the ground, maybe I need a person who's better at discernment to come in and help me think through that. So it helps them identify their gifts to be utilized most effectively so that they can move projects forward. And so pastors uh are using this tool to actually, and again, you can find the assessment on workinggenus.com to identify those members on your team and maybe also identify gaps.
SPEAKER_04That is so interesting. I when you said church board, that you know, we don't have a lot of time left, but I was thinking, boy, how what does that look like at a church board? I think it could be really helpful. Well, let's talk about how it looks in a school setting. Um how how have we seen that work in a school setting? You've got leadership team, what might that look like in terms of working genius in a school?
SPEAKER_01Yeah. You know, I I um I think about also the schools, that they have the whole school year which they haven't ahead of them and they plan, but there are certain things that also they they plan certain activities, let's say a field trip. Yeah. There's a field trip that they're trying to plan out and having the working genius uh work having having having parents or having uh teachers or people who get involved and uh using those working genius to plan a field trip can make a big difference. That's one set one setting that I can think about. But there's other things that the that the school can take on. If there's anything that they're trying to accomplish, whether it be a short term or longer term uh project, the working genius can make a difference in what they do.
SPEAKER_00I I also I also think as a so what what I see with the with the principals, especially a teaching principal, or at some of our smaller schools, you have staff that are doing multiple things multiple days and they get very, very tired. They get very, very worn out. And I think again, if you look at the working genius and you understand that these four are my competencies and and my frustration. So these two are my frustration, these two. If you're doing tasks within those uh pockets, you have to realize that you need to take time away, more time away to relax, to reset, whatever that looks like on a teacher setting. And I think it also helps what I've seen with teachers is oh, that's why I get so drained. Because I feel like principals feel like they have to be everything for everyone, and teachers have to be everything for everyone. And I think this allows them that ability to just say, I don't have to be everything for everyone, and I do need time. So it's a self-realization tool, I think.
SPEAKER_04And then I can imagine it it also helps them to look for others to assist. Correct. Right? According to their working genius or or the working genius they don't have, or to fill those areas uh of frustration. Um I remember um my first assistant to the president uh was uh Ed Ferguson and uh Ed was um his working geniuses were my working frustrations. So it was perfect because there was a great balance off. In fact, let's talk about each other's uh working geniuses. So mine, of course, are I shouldn't say of course, but mine are wonder and galvanizing.
SPEAKER_00So how does that play out for you?
SPEAKER_04Wow. Um I mean in general, you know, you're yeah, well, because I'm always thinking of different ways of doing things. Or like, why do we do that that way? Can we do this differently? And I know my mind is I mean, that's what keeps me up at night sometimes. That's what wakes me up early in the morning is hey, can we do this differently? So I know wonder is is there. And then galvanizing, I used to call it, I didn't know to call it galvanizing before, but I would always talk about being a cheerleader. I'm always the one saying, come on, we can go do it. And uh, but that is galvanizing, getting people excited about a project and getting them going to make that to make that happen.
SPEAKER_00So yeah, and I think it plays out in our organizational health our NCC advantage. Yes. You know, you came up with the idea in some night vision, as my dad likes to call it. Right. And then now we're, you know, you've got all of us on board, all of the leadership team, and then we're still getting more people on board. So I think that's a example of your genius in action.
SPEAKER_04So what about yours?
SPEAKER_00Mine is invention and discernment. Okay. So I have a lot of self-talk. I come up with problems and talk to myself and decide if those problems are worthwhile or not to present. Um and so I I come, I enjoy, I really enjoy, and I've told pastors and teachers this hey, if you want me to just sit down and just be brainstorm with you, I would love to brainstorm because I love to do solutions and discernment. And that's just I love to be that advisor. And in the end, it you know, it has to be things. So I'm I'm invention and discernment. All right.
SPEAKER_01Jose? Yeah, for me it's uh invention as well and galvanizing. Invention and galvanizing. Yeah, and so it like whenever there's there's something that we're trying to come up with a solution, my there's something kicks into my brain that I I just feel like these things begin to just on the spot. And just ideas, of course, sometimes they're good ideas, sometimes they're not the best ideas, but it just triggered, right? Yeah, and of course the other one, as you mentioned, uh galvanizing. Galvanizing galvanize it. Once you tell me, and there's something that I'm excited about, um, you know, that's something that comes very natural to say, hey, let's let's let's get let's rally behind this and let's move forward and and and just try to do what we're called to do.
SPEAKER_00Can I ask a very uh interesting question that our listeners may enjoy? Okay. Us as a three team, because we all sit on the leadership team. Right. We have two galvanizers, we have a wanderer, we have uh two inventors and a discerner. How has this played out on our team? Do you guys see? Us as a team with our various geniuses.
SPEAKER_04Oh, it makes us fight all the time. Well, we've seen it in our in our work that we do, right? Uh for every project we've taken on, and we've taken on quite a few projects in these last five and a half years uh for this uh for this conference. And uh all of our geniuses have no doubt been used. And I think the other way that it has shown up is when you know other people's geniuses, you really appreciate what they bring to the discussion. Or even if you're having a discussion about the direction that you're gonna go, um if if you've already gotten past the wonder and the invention, you're starting to say, you look to the people that are deserters on the team and say, is this gonna work? Right? So it's uh it's a really you really do value the the different geniuses. And by God's grace, you know, we have all six geniuses represented on our team. And that is so helpful. And that can be helpful too as you're putting together a team. Yeah, you try to get as much as many uh geniuses as you can as a part of that. I mean, that's how I've seen it work out. I hope you all's experiences have been good with us driving things. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Definitely. I I think for us, uh when we came, you know, we were exposed to working genius, not only being exposed, but that it became part of the framework for us doing organizational health, it just gave us some a a framework for us to be able to really complete tasks. Yes. And not only complete the tasks, but collective teamwork. Yeah. And I think that's what that's what uh you know the work in genius allows us to do is we're gonna work on this as a team. And we're gonna get it accomplished as a team. And everyone is important in what we're doing here.
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_04In one of our uh previous episodes, uh, we talked about um the four disciplines. And when we talked about that discipline discipline number one, which is building a cohesive leadership team, working genius really factors into that because when we understand, the more we understand each other on a team, the more cohesive we are. And like I said, we value the variety, the diversity that's on that team, that each person brings a strength uh to that team. It's just it's an extraordinary thing that that really helps us. Lori, thank you for being here. Oh, my pleasure. It's great.
SPEAKER_00I love this topic.
SPEAKER_04You earned your certification. Yes. You earned your certification because you're uh very up on this. Again, we want to remind you uh take the assessment. If you want to know what your working geniuses uh are and your uh frustrations and uh your competencies, you can go to workinggenious.com and take that assessment. And uh, if you want someone that walks you through your assessment, you can call Lori.
SPEAKER_00Absolutely. You can find my information on the website.
SPEAKER_04She can walk you through your working. She does a great job.
SPEAKER_00I love to do that.
SPEAKER_01She does a great job.
SPEAKER_04All right. Well, Jose, you've got a quote from us from Scotcher.
SPEAKER_01You know, it's it's incredible as we think about working genius, and I think it comes back to it comes back to the to the to the center of all things. It's marvelous how God has created us. Yes. And and how this all plays out. And I'm reminded here about the Apostle Paul as he talks about the church in in Corinth and how these different gifts, as we could we would call it, they didn't have that framework for working genius, right? But these are the gifts that God comes comes from God. But he says, there are different kinds of gifts, but the same spirit distributes them. There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. And then I love the way it ends. There are different kinds of working, different things. Maybe just a working genius. But in all of them and in everyone, it is the same God.
SPEAKER_04And uh that ends our show. But thank you for joining us and uh tune in for the next time when we talk more about the NCC Advantage as it relates to the Northern California conference,