WORDS OF WISDOM

On this episode of GPS, We talk about what GOD is saying, the pulpit attacks on POTUS, and the NBA PLAYOFFS. My guest, Dr Mikel Brown has made an impact on thousands of lives around the world with his dynamic ministry, entrepreneurial mind, and mentorship to many. He is an accomplished author, restaurateur, and even a recording artist. He is a husband, father, grandfather and great grandfather that has remained youthful in mind, body,  and spirit. His testimony is inspiring and will even challenge you to walk by faith in all facets of  life. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Today we step in the three arenas that unite and divide us the most. God, politics, and sports. Faith shapes our souls, politics shapes our world, and sports reveal our passion. No filters, no fears, just real conversation. God, politics, and sports. Welcome to God, Politics and Sports. First off, this has been a terrific five months of GPS. I've loved it. One of the things that I've always endeavored to do was to have a guest on GPS, God Politics and Sports. But my first guest had to be somebody special. So my first guest today will be Dr. Michael Brown. And Dr. Brown has been has made an impact on thousands of lives around the world with his dynamic ministry, entrepreneurial mind, and mentorship to many. Many in a professional sports world, many in ministry, many just regular folks. He is an accomplished author, restaurateur, and even a recording artist. And I hope he remembers when he was on God's Rainbow, which was a great song. And I'm going to say it was a great song because it was my song. So, but he is a husband, father, grandfather, and a great grandfather, even though he doesn't look like him, that has remained youthful in mind and spirit. And I'm sure he's probably thinking, what about body? But we're encompassing them all. So his testimony is inspiring and will even challenge you to walk by faith in all facets of life. GPS, get ready to have your life change with my guest today. And from behind your screen, give it up, please. Dr. Bishop Michael Brown.

SPEAKER_01 1:42

Hey, how are you doing?

SPEAKER_00 1:43

I'm doing great.

SPEAKER_01 1:45

Oh man.

SPEAKER_00 1:46

GPS. GPS. God, politics, and sports. And sir, I can definitely say you have you inspired me to get this thing rolling in this with saying things of you got to move. You got to do something.

SPEAKER_01 1:58

Are we recording right now?

SPEAKER_00 2:00

We're recording right now, sir.

SPEAKER_01 2:01

Am I heard? Oh my God. Hey, how are you all? Go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 2:06

So, but God, politics, and sports, and you you've always said what are things you might be passionate about. Definitely love all the things about the Lord.

SPEAKER_01 2:14

Oh, you know that.

SPEAKER_00 2:16

I get into politics sometimes too much. And um, you know, I'm I think it's needed, but go ahead. Yes, thank you. And I'm very much into sports. But sir, I've looked forward to speaking with you on GPS for some time now. Now, if I look like I'm getting a little emotional, it's because this is my spiritual father, and he has guided me through many travails in life as well as victories. So I'm I'm so excited to have him here with you. So I know you're ready to jump into things.

SPEAKER_01 2:43

Oh, I'm always ready.

SPEAKER_00 2:45

Because in your now you've been in ministry for 50 years now.

SPEAKER_01 2:48

Right at 50 years, this July will make 50 years. No, next July will make 50 years.

SPEAKER_00 2:55

That is awesome. Now, of course, you're coming from humble beginnings, you become a father and mentor to many. How's that been?

SPEAKER_01 3:06

Uh tedious. Yeah, I mean, to be a father, I I have six children uh uh from ranging from the ages of right at 20 to 47, turning 48. Uh, three great grandchildren, and uh and a wonderful, gracious, loving wife. Somebody that I love and appreciate uh that God has blessed me with, and she's become one with me, and I become one with her, and we get to share life together, and that's the exciting part of uh us be being together.

SPEAKER_00 3:42

Yeah, so I I I would say this much. Um you you both have been such an inspiration. The first of me and my wife of 37 years, 38 years that we've been married. Wow, but it's been that's a long time. That's a long time, and like people always say, there's a special spot in heaven for her. And then your heart too for being married. But I I love the one thing that you do uh often, and you I'm not gonna say necessarily challenge people, but you make people think. And one of the questions you're always asking, I'm gonna pose this question to you, is what has God been sharing with you, especially in this time period that we're in right now. Yeah. What has God really been sharing with you?

SPEAKER_01 4:24

I mean, really, uh, I mean, God is He's always talking. Uh because time is so important for us, but not necessarily for God. Uh it's almost like to a degree when you understand time is is relative to a degree. Uh it's like to certain people, let's just say Jewish business people, the the days of the week don't exist the way they do with us. Uh it exists by the standpoint of understanding that uh it's like to a dog, your pet, and I'm I'm sure how many pets do you have? Dogs. One right now. Okay, you've helped you've had dogs. They don't know the day of the week. They don't know anything about timing. The only thing with Jewish business people that matters is the Sabbath. So most believers, we're we're concerned about the seven days instead of just the major day when it comes to worshiping God. The other days are uh it's Avadah, your work becomes your worship. And so when it comes to hearing God, God is speaking concerning everything. Everything is collapsed into the whole spheres of which you and I exist. And so timing doesn't exist for God, it exists for us. So when we're hearing God, it doesn't always say, hey, it's gotta be done by this time. God is particularly fashioning and forming things to work instead of our timing based on his. When he knows we're ready for something, that's when something happens. So it doesn't have to happen on a Monday or Tuesday or five next year or five years from now. He sees you're not ready, it'll be ready when you get there. So when I'm hearing God, I'm hearing God say things like the way things are happening with the economy. Uh, the first the church world has to wake up, and we have to become much more informed concerning what is happening in our culture when it comes to uh uh money, investments, businesses, and what God is doing to prepare for the end time harvest. And I've said it uh many times that it's not just how we're going to finance the end time harvest, it's how we're gonna harvest the end-time finances. Because those finances are key. And that means the avada, that's the Hebrew word for worship and work, that we know how to put those things as one and so that God can get the full glory out of it, and only he gets the glory so that we can hear him speak. So when I hear God, brother, he is speaking everything. All the other stuff is extracurricular activities such as sports, politics, and all. But politics plays an important part in everything that we're doing in terms of what God is doing in the earth.

SPEAKER_00 7:38

So I, you know, one of the things I've I get amazed at when we sit and we talk, um, and it's not just always in this format, sometimes it's just sitting around talking, et cetera, that the amount of, especially in churches that don't address their members in this manner, you will have them just, it's like you always said, it's a shame that with all the finances are staying in the pulpit but never gets out to the people. Right. And I've always wondered what is the difference, what really set that off in you? Because I know in my life, being here in this ministry, my wife and I started off in a one-bedroom apartment with no oven. Wow. And then even with how did you cook the store, the restaurants cooked for you? No, we're no door dash. 1988, there wasn't no door dash. You dashed out the door dashes. There wasn't any door dash. You had nothing. So uh our first Thanksgiving, we had to go someplace because we didn't have an oven for her to cook in. But and now where we're at now, and even in looking for more property, we were out on uh Saturday. Please go and what to do with that. But why do you think it's so much with so many pastors? And and I always tell people this I'm not a pastor, so I stay in my lane. So um that's why I asked Bishop, you know, I asked you something like this. Why do you think so many pastors avoid that with their people uh as far as ministry that makes a difference in their lives uh financially, where they can make such an impact, even greater impact in society?

SPEAKER_01 9:18

Because they don't know. They don't know. So whatever informs you, forms you. Uh, if if you're not informed, and the only way you're looking at income coming into your life is by way of the church, then how can you give that information to others on how to uh navigate and scale businesses and things of that nature in terms of creating wealth, even though the Bible tells us. So if they're not informed, they can't inform you. And if they can't inform you, they cannot help form you. That means to form your thought patterns, the way you live your life, so that you understand that it's not just salvation, it's not just spiritual, it's practical as well. So if they don't get it, you don't get it. And you're gonna be stuck at I need rescuing because of my financial situation, I need rescuing because my marriage is in trouble, I need rescuing because I need counseling, and that's where you'll stay.

SPEAKER_00 10:26

That's good. Yeah. That's that that is good. Well, now when it comes to business, because you once you once again you are an entrepreneur. Uh we uh one thing I definitely learned in this in the in our ministry, in this ministry over 35 years, is wow, that ministry is business as a and you look the same years ago as you do now. Yeah, a little more great.

SPEAKER_01 10:49

I mean, but you look the same, yeah. Believe me.

SPEAKER_00 10:52

I think I got pretty good genes.

SPEAKER_01 10:54

Yeah, you've you've aged very, very well. To be 105 of the villain, you look extremely well.

SPEAKER_00 11:02

Sometimes my toes feel like it. The bunions be screaming. Like, are you like, yo, what's going on? You hey, the rest of you feeling good. The money like, hey man, take these boots off. I can't handle this. We tear would you tear me up? But it's just day-to-day finances. Uh, when it comes to business and day-to-day finances, um, what would you share with people who are concerned about our current economy? Because one of the things that I look at, and this is one of the things too, is and this falls right in this.

SPEAKER_01 11:36

Because they're not sponsors, but so I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_00 11:38

Oh, okay. Well, how what would you share with people when it comes to that? Because I will share with myself, it's uh when you see different things changing in your life, uh, changes coming up, you you think about it. Things that can wake you up at four o'clock in the morning.

SPEAKER_01 11:54

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 11:54

Um, and and you get concerned. And I understand all about faith, and I've shared it tons of times on GPS about welcome by faith and not by sight. But sir, what would you share with people about business, getting into business, uh handling their day-to-day finances? What would you share with folks, especially when it comes to the kingdom of God and principles with that?

SPEAKER_01 12:13

Yeah, first of all, business is across the board. Everybody is involved in some form of business when you have money coming in. So if you're married and you have money coming in, that's a business. That's that's that's the practical business side of that marriage. It's not just lovey dovey get in the bed, and that's it. You got bills to pay, you got you got homes to buy, you have cars to travel in to go to your jobs or your businesses, whatever the case may be. So it's understanding that life itself is engaged in business. Not even to the point where we should think that salvation is not to some degree business, meaning transaction. Uh, business is about transacting. Uh, exchange is a process of life. You hear me say that a lot.

SPEAKER_02 13:06

A lot.

SPEAKER_01 13:06

Uh, so that's the same way. When we start thinking about Jesus, Jesus said, I bought you, I purchased you with my blood. He paid an ultimate price for our salvation. That's a business transaction. So when you understand that about life and marriage and everything else, and don't tell me that marriage is not a business arrangement.

SPEAKER_02 13:34

Good.

SPEAKER_01 13:37

Because it's about that. It's about not just what you can provide in terms of your wife, but what she can provide for you as well in helping you to do your job better. Uh she's a help meet. That's what the Bible declares. And so it's understanding that aspect. When you get the basics of certain things, that foundation is key. That's where you build on it. Uh, when that foundation isn't there, your life is in disarray. You're just you're just fumbling through life. You're just a a person that that is trying to live a life that doesn't understand how to form that life so that it can be a blessing, not only to you and your spouse and your children, but to other people.

SPEAKER_00 14:23

So would you say we know being born again in salvation is awesome. But it's just not enough if you're not gonna do more, if you're just gonna, hey, I'm I'm saved. Uh, or some people who watch are not born again. Right, right. That and uh we understand that too. But uh, but this is the God part. So but even with that, there's more to it than just the numbers. It's a transition.

SPEAKER_01 14:49

What happens after you get saved? You don't stay on the basics or the foundation. You gotta build on the foundation. You need to be saved. That's the first part. The first thing that the Bible tells us is to acknowledge God, seek Him, seek the kingdom of God and His righteousness first. That sets the foundation for everything, it balances out the rest of your life. If that seeking is earnest when you're seeking God and His righteousness, the kingdom of God and his righteousness first. Don't forget, the kingdom, don't forget, is based on a principle. His righteousness is based on the living of those principles. So that condition must be solved. That's God, his kingdom, his principles, and that's how we govern the rest of our lives. Or else you're gonna be stuck at, I'm saved. Now what do I do after being saved? You're gonna have to live. How do you live? How do you have an income? What do you do with that? How do you handle your money? How do you steward your money? How do you start a business? How do you do all of these things? All of those are crucial for what God is saying. So when you think about that, think about this. The scripture says in Deuteronomy 8 and 18 that he's given you the power to create wealth. That's after your salvation, you can't focus on just, I'm saved, I'm saved, I'm saved. We know we're saved. We know Jesus died now. That's the reason why. But he got up. How do we live the rest of our lives? How do we condition our lives? What do we do for the rest of our days? And whatever you do, be very, very cautious that you don't live your life as a brainwashed person thinking that the weekdays are only for work and the weekends is for fun. Don't think like that. That's a slave mentality. It keeps you employed for five days only to think that you're gonna enjoy the weekend, and that's that's how life is. Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 17:10

I love something that you said, and I don't want to I'm gonna try to paraphrase and and and get this correct, but you said it you want to not work for, or but you want to work on. And you were sharing.

SPEAKER_01 17:24

Yeah, I was speaking, uh yeah, yeah, it's better you learn to work on your business instead of in your business. When you work in your business, that's hard, that's tedious. So you have to get an ideal of how you're gonna get helped, employed, employees to come in and help you so that you can work on your business. That means your ideas, your concepts, your uh the the pattern of how how uh you're gonna use people in terms of skill in your business. That's the bottom line. If you're working in the business, it takes a lot of time. You're working on it, it uses your ingenuity, and every and you're employing others to work out your ideas and concepts.

SPEAKER_00 18:07

It's I I love when because when you said it, I was in the process of of uh working on getting a producer to do for the uh, and I do have a producer, one who because now we're international, so I do have been picked up in Canada. Woo! So we're one of the most places on the planet. So but one of the things when you said that, but that's on uh all streaming platforms as well as on YouTube. Wow. Um, but you when you said about the uh you know not working in, but working on, and that was one of the things that I really embraced with working on this. I enjoy it. Yeah, I enjoy taking those. And one thing too is I I remember years ago, I used to always say, you know, work smart, not hard. Yeah, you don't hit it, get away, you know, etc. So now I can sit down and plow through this, but I'm enjoying it. Which now I also I own three uh podcast channels.

SPEAKER_01 19:04

Oh, please go!

SPEAKER_00 19:05

So I have one, uh, my producer has one, and that's how he I pay him. Okay, and I have one that I'm gonna rent out that's gonna pay for everybody. Wow. Wow.

SPEAKER_01 19:15

And so you're learning how to scale that to bring increase financial.

SPEAKER_00 19:20

Yes, and that it's so important because one of the things that uh and so everyone knows that our ministry is loaded with businesses, and one of the businesses is our sponsor. So if you get an opportunity, uh this next segment is gonna be sponsored by uh QCraft or Craft, Q Craft Sausage, and I will leave all the contact information in the case.

SPEAKER_01 19:39

You have some good sausage.

SPEAKER_00 19:40

Yes, good sausage. I have some new things so I will leave all the contact information in the comments so you can contact and order online your sausage. But one thing, sir, we'll looking at our current political climate, what are your thoughts about it?

SPEAKER_01 19:57

Wow. You know what? Uh I would say 100%, first of all, this is an incredible time for this nation. Whether we think it or not, overall, we have a good president. Uh a president, number one, who doesn't take a salary. Not that he shouldn't, he should, but he doesn't take a salary. Number two, it doesn't look or appear as if he can be bought. That's a very good prospect for a leader. You can't be bought. Uh unlike uh the the uh referees in the in the sporting industry. We'll get to that. We're gonna get to that. Well, you can't be bald. Number three, he looks for what helps this nation and the people in this nation. He's looking at making you rich, not him himself. That's a good thing because it's not like someone who is trying to uh do something that penalizes the nation and it but it lines their pockets. That's not a good recipe for uh success for this nation.

SPEAKER_00 21:11

Sir, I'm gonna ask you something, and some people maybe think it's controversial that to ask or or present this, but you know me long enough, I don't care. So I'm gonna why does it seem to be so many black preachers that you see that use racism or attack our president when first off the word tells us to pray for our leaders? You don't have to like the policies, but you don't even pray for him, and then you come across and you're calling a racist, and you're calm. I don't see how you call somebody a racist who got 7,000 black men out of jail over his first term that the other prior presidents or those running help push in. Uh, I don't get some of those things when you see some of the highest. My mouth's gone to HBCUs have been under his presidency. And also, sir, everybody knows this. Dr. Brown has flat out said he's not affiliated with any political party.

SPEAKER_01 22:11

None.

SPEAKER_00 22:12

You just followed the dictates of the word of God as well.

SPEAKER_01 22:14

God's word, his principles, his way. Only. Period.

SPEAKER_00 22:20

How's that served you in ministry when it comes to that? And we're still talking about politics, sir. I love the fact that you say they're all. I've said this from the beginning. All three of them, you could combine all three of them at one time. You got politics and sports. You have God and you know, they're all in company. Well, of course, Godhead, but anyway, um, but how's that served you with not being affiliated with any political party? How's that giving you freedom as far as in ministry?

SPEAKER_01 22:49

Well, uh, nobody can dictate to me but the word of God and the Holy Spirit. If we're led by the Spirit of God, if we acknowledge God and He directs us in all our ways, then His Word is the only foundation by which we should make decisions. That's why. Has nothing to do with my skin color. Uh, no matter where I come from, nor my nationality or or my economic status or educational status. It's based on the word of God. It's difficult for people to decide that kind of direction when you listen to propaganda all your life. It's like we had a young lady that came and uh she became a a part of the church, a professional and educated. And she said when she told her parents that she was attending our church, her parents looked, and she said the parents were concerned because they uh they thought immediately I was a Republican rather than someone that voted for a particular reason, uh, not based on skin color and propaganda. I'm one that I'm gonna read. I want to be informed. If I'm not going to be informed and just listen to you and you come up with statistics where you have no foundation for your statistics, then I'm just as accountable for misleading people based on other false information. So I'd rather have the information. So you're not gonna control me that way. And I've made a decision. Either I'm going all the way with God or I'm not. You can't go halfway. In the black church, we will say 99 and a half won't do. That's the reality. It's all the way 100% with God. I'm going all the way. That means I can't buy into you selling me a bill of goods based on my race.

SPEAKER_00 24:54

So what I now I've experienced this where people don't want to talk to you anymore because you stand for this or stand for that.

SPEAKER_01 25:02

Uh people will So people don't want to talk to you anymore.

SPEAKER_00 25:05

There's a I I got relatives, they I pull up in the car, they jump, they go right out the back door. And it's funny because I say to them, and I've learned this from you a lot of times where you said, this is temporal. You're what we're going through now, and nothing. Not the president is on the meeting. Yeah, certainly.

SPEAKER_01 25:26

Other politics, it's not permanent. Right. Period. April look, I've been around long enough where Martin Luther King was in place, and uh I think he was a great leader for for his particular time. Uh, and he's done a lot, not just for black people uh or African Americans, however people want to say, Afro-Americans. I mean, how many titles are we gonna have? Preach, right? Yeah. But he's done it for, he fought for uh uh I mean racial injustices. Injustice in the Bible is clear. God is against injustice. Period. But one thing in reality to life being fair or unfair, life is a neutrality. It's what you do in life that determines if it's fair or not. That's good. Period. It's like marriage. Marriage is neutral. It's it will work based on the principles of God. But what you make it out of, you got two imperfect people going into a perfect institution, and it's not gonna, it's so when they say my marriage is bad, it's you making it bad. Marriage can't be bad in and of itself. Marriage is a good institution. Life is good. What do you make out of it? It's how you're gonna determine how you're gonna live it.

SPEAKER_00 26:56

I love something you said, sir, about reading. It's fundamental. It's fun. I was just about to say that it didn't work for you. But people don't read.

SPEAKER_01 27:05

No.

SPEAKER_00 27:06

So they'll listen to everything.

SPEAKER_01 27:07

Can I say something? Sure. Carter G. Woodson said this years ago and wrote it out. He said if you want to hide anything from a black man, put it in a book. That's across the board. That's it for whites, Hispanics across the board. Most people don't read today. We live in a microwave conditioned world. I want my information fast. The media takes all of that information and they hand feed you what they want you to eat. That's why it's important for you to read. I'm sorry, but go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 27:43

No, no, no. That because I sit, and it's not just with black folks, it's everybody. Yes. You'll ask they ask somebody a basic question and say, well, what is what does this mean? And they'll just look at somebody, they have no idea.

SPEAKER_01 27:53

Yeah, they ridicule you for being a Christian, but don't understand the value of being a Christian and don't understand why. The why is more important than the what.

SPEAKER_00 28:03

And they go off of, you find people go off of propaganda. Uh, you'll see where people will talk about, and once again, um, I'm not anti uh immigration. I'm anti-illegal immigration. Yeah, absolutely. Let's keep that straight. And in my 30 plus years without aiming a job, but in my 30 plus years of of law enforcement, I've seen where people come across and they do things legally, and I've seen what people do. I've chased people illegally. I'd have been a hospital chasing somebody illegally.

SPEAKER_01 28:37

And they would look at you as being evil. Right. When you're just doing what is right based on the laws of the land, which the Bible does encourage us when it's conferred to uh uh deferred to righteousness in terms of how we value our land, we should do certain things and have laws.

SPEAKER_00 28:55

So it just blows my mind when you have people say, Well, that's not the Christian thing to do. You say, Well, at least it would be born-again believers. What did this with Moses and I said, look at the word? The first thing God, one of the first things God said was there to assimilate to you. You don't assimilate to them, right? Because you saw all those time periods in the with the children of Israel when they assimilated to to uh uh I starts with a P, I forgot the names. Um yeah, the the ones that the uh Philistines, thank you. Philistines that was my that was one of our producers out there helped me out for the Philistines, when they have filled, when they assimilated to them, curses, etc. came upon it because they left what God is saying. No one's saying that a person can't come here, and if you don't want to simulate that, that's cool, but don't push at uh Christians or the beliefs in this in the in the country as if it's evil, right? And we're made out to be evil. Uh, and then and uh another thing too is Christians got to stop being weak. And I don't mean go out and be violent, but where they're sharing the word and they're bold, boldly, but even politically, sir, um there has to be some consistency as well with the body of Christ. And what do you think about that? Because we can see people saying things that you see political.

SPEAKER_01 30:19

You want the nation to be a certain way, and we become more lenient, etc., based on what the people want to do in terms of violating the laws and trespassing uh those laws. Well, let's put it this way: let them go into your house. Let them invite them to live in your house and let them live by their own rules in your house and what they believe how they should live in your house. Invite them into your house, wherever you live, invite them to come in and say, we want you to be free and live the way you want to live. Serve the God you want to serve. Let them come in. All right? So when you do that, and you can all of a sudden say you have the freedom to be whatever you want to be in my house. Eat whatever you want to eat. You want to cook on the floor, you you you you want to be able to jump in my bed whenever you want to and not straighten it up, and you want to be able to cook whatever you want to cook in my kitchen, and you go ahead. Watch how they then uh all of a sudden want to kick them out of their house. Yeah, I mean, it's always you you you want to make it personal. I I always turn it back on the individual. That's how Jesus did. You know, it's okay, let's do it the way you want to do it. You go ahead and you allow, it's like when the person, I love this this little skit, the lady said, I'm oh, I'll sign the let illegals come over and we should do this, and we should take our tax dollars and do this for them, et cetera. And and and he said, and and she was about to sign it. And they said, Well, we have a busload of uh immigrants illegal, so they want to come over and now and she said, Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah, it's always when it's at their expense on their dollars, not yours, not on your dime, not on your inconvenience, but always somebody else's inconvenience. They ought to do this and they ought to do that. But what about you? That's hypocritical, wouldn't you agree?

SPEAKER_00 32:43

Yes, sir. Oh, very much so, sir. I I definitely agree on that, especially like I said after living it for so many years. But we have a, you know, up until I would say from 2020, from November 2020 or January 2021 through November 2024, masculinity in our country had been under assault.

SPEAKER_01 33:07

Major.

SPEAKER_00 33:08

Uh, toxic, they called it toxic masculinity. And one of the things I know in our ministry and those ministries that are associated is one thing you you really share is having godly men around changes the atmosphere. Having men around changes the atmosphere. But within our country itself, it was you know, the residuals from that attack we still see today.

SPEAKER_02 33:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:34

The the warning for transgenderism and and changing children. I know Supreme Court's coming out a lot of things uh lately that, but with Father's Day, with Father's Day coming up, I said that in English, right? With Father's Day coming up, what would you like to impart into the men that are watching God politics and sports? Because a lot of men, and I will say this, some people have watched, once we get more of the God part out, they're on to something else. If we talk politics, you're in the middle. So some people just pick out segments. So this, so this part right here, we're gonna grab everybody. So I want you to listen, but what would you say to men? What would you like to impart into men that are watching GPS right now? What would you like to share with some of the men?

SPEAKER_01 34:21

To be a male is a matter of birth. To be a man is a matter of choice. That's the first thing. A man is someone who accepts responsibility, who knows who they are. First of all, your identity is is crucial. God, when he cre called the 12 disciples, they were all men. God himself, he started with a man. He didn't start with a transit. He started with a man, clearly. If a person is saying that they can just determine and change their transition uh in terms of transitioning yourself, then what makes your idea so great then? If you didn't accept the original? What can make all of a sudden you want to become that or something else? Uh it's encouraging for me to see men. Men are the the the cross and the and the foundation of this entire world. And you're not taking anything away from women. Oh no, no, because a woman is a man with a womb. She is a man. That's why it's a womb man, this womb man. It's a man with a womb, but it's based on his on his or her rather her femininity. So her genitals determines her earthly assignment, not the heavenly assignment. The male's genitals determines his earthly assignment. We were placed on this earth to multiply, to have dominion, multiply, to replenish, so therefore, we have the resources by God's creation to do so. God took that woman out of the man. It's important for that man, first of all, to understand his identity. It is not in what he's looking at in a mirror. It's who he is beyond that. A mirror can distort. A cracked mirror can get can distort.

SPEAKER_00 36:41

Should I stop flexing when I get out of the chat?

SPEAKER_01 36:45

Well, remember, you know, you're not gonna be, that's not gonna be the focal point when you go to heaven anyway. That's why you ought to get, you you know, marriage is only for earth, not for heaven. But uh in terms of the man understanding, a cracked mirror can distort the outward image, but can never ever affect the inward image. That's who you are. That's who God created. You are a spirit who lives in a body who has a soul. Who has a soul that lives in the body. So to be created after the image of God, we know that God is not physical, so therefore, the physical aspect of that man cannot be that. God's original creation is who He said you are before your body was formed. Remember that. The body was formed in the second chapter of Genesis. Not that I'm saying everything in the Bible was in chronological order, but that is that said, that order. Genesis is the first the book of first mention. This is the first of the book of first things. And so that book is uh critical for us to realize how we as men and male men born, created, we're we're created in the physical, but we are formed from God. We come out of God, not from the dust of the earth. That's our house, that's the body. That's why when we die, what happens is the body goes back to the dust. That's what your scripture says to you. And it's biologically so, and we see it happening, right? But who can track the flight of your spirit when you die? Where does the spirit go? Nothing in earth, no electrical components can trace the flight of the human spirit. Because the spirit goes back to the giver.

SPEAKER_00 39:02

That's good.

SPEAKER_01 39:03

We I mean that's but that's a whole lesson, but you're saying to say something to the men. Be men. You know, something that the Bible says also, I love the the King James Version, the original. It says, and malice be children, and business be men.

SPEAKER_02 39:24

That's good.

SPEAKER_01 39:26

Powerful verse.

SPEAKER_02 39:27

Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_01 39:27

A lot of us don't pay a lot of attention to verses like that. Uh, but that's the gist of why I preach the way I preach. I believe in the why, which is far more important than the what. We know what it is. We know what we do, it's determining why we do it. The one who knows why will always be the boss of the one that knows what and how. We know what is the issue. If you're struggling with something, we know what it is. Why empowers you. It makes you where you're not the slave, you're actually the one running it because you know why.

unknown 40:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:09

I think you said, I'm trying to remember because you said so much over the 35 years of us being here. But one of the things you share was it doesn't take a man, no, it takes a male to make a child. It takes a man to be there and raised to be the father. And I think as we head into June, that's so important. So I want men, because you're gonna hear me talk about this again in the coming weeks, that we really lock in as fathers. But just because we're dealing with the political side of things, so sir, I know that you are a big supporter of law enforcement and our military, and God has placed it in your heart to address these heroes' needs for wellness spiritually and mentally. So we we recently started birthing Defender Circle, which addresses our law enforcement and uh our military. So, why is the support group so vital in today's political climate? And we're gonna get because I got to get the sports with you. Yeah, we gotta hurry up. Yeah, we own sports, and as soon as you answer this, we raid it to the sports. So, why is that so important? As far as political climate with supporting our law enforcement.

SPEAKER_01 41:20

Yeah, law enforcement, military, they go out and risk their lives every single day. Every single day. It's different being on that side versus being on the other side. Uh we we they can't take chances on the percentage of people that will do right. They gotta put it across the board. It's the same way in war. You don't all of a sudden see a child, especially in the Vietnam era. I came in and I I went into the military in 1975, post-Vietnam era. But in those days, and even though though you've been to desert war and desert storm, you know a child is coming. You can't assume the child has good intention. The child has been trained with propaganda to think a certain way that you are the enemy. They come and they have a bomb on them. You have to make a determination either to shoot the child and save hundreds of lives and possibly thousands in the future or shoot the child. What do you decide? You see, they don't underst people don't understand what is weighed by the person in law enforcement and the one that's in the military. It's not just their lives, it's the lives of other people. Their soldiers, their brothers, their sisters that are out there defending and and pre trying to make life better for those that are in the rear, especially in the military. Um, I know and believe me, I know that you know. When it comes to anybody, I say don't go to die for your country. Go to war and get the other guy to die for his country. That should be the mindset. I stand for military and and and police officers and law enforcement across the board. Like in anything, you have bad apples. Yes, sir. Don't lump them all together. One bad apple, don't spoil a bunch of girls. I don't care what they say. That's no Michael Jackson. So but you said that, and this is. And that may be a crucial, that may be a difficult thing for somebody to understand. But they gotta understand when you have someone. Going to you you you you're being raped. You're not gonna ask, hey, are you gonna take in consideration the way the raper? No, that person is raping you or harming you right now. What do you want them to do? Stop and have a conversation with them, right?

SPEAKER_00 44:18

Right. That I mean that that that's powerful. And with within that, with law enforcement, I have a lot of guys who coach with me. Um and you're a good coach. Well, thank you. I appreciate that. But but this next part, we want we as we begin to talk about sports. This is brought to us by Spartans U Sports. This is our sports program that we have, and having law enforcement involved in military is very important. But I want to ask you something because we were talking about this. You recently went to the uh you went to a Spurs game, playoff game.

SPEAKER_01 44:52

And um And I've gone and mentored uh NBA and NFL coaches as well. So, what are your thoughts about the NBA playoffs?

SPEAKER_02 45:00

Woo!

SPEAKER_01 45:03

Uh I'm a person of honesty. I don't like beating around the bush. You're giving you asking me in my personal thought and opinions.

SPEAKER_00 45:13

Yes, and I'm well sorry, you know, I'm gonna throw two things together. So lump it together because it's gonna fall again, I guarantee you. Having watched different eras of basketball, what is your assessment of the toughness of the game now, of the game now compared to then? I think it encompasses questions kind of go together.

SPEAKER_01 45:30

Basketball used to be considered a non-contact sport, which I never viewed it as a non-contact sport. Because basketball, you had hand checkings, you have this, and of course, this era now is totally different. You can't, you can barely, you can't get in the guy's space, whatever they consider that space is. And in the case of some athletes, they will make sure that they fall after shooting the ball, they're putting in you in your space, so they get called. But when you flop 70%, almost rather 30% of the time you shoot, and I mean you're falling on the floor. They say the guy falls at least 30 per almost 30 percent, right around 27, 28 percent of every shot, he falls on the floor. What does that say? What is the reason?

SPEAKER_00 46:35

Well, I'm gonna say he he definitely knows the rules.

SPEAKER_01 46:38

He knows the rules. Look, the thing is is that opponent knowing how to they're all doing something to break some rule, right? The ones that get ahead in life knows that rules are for those who follow them. Sometimes breaking the rule isn't breaking the law. That's key to understand. That's good. You want to win in life, understand that rules are meant to be broken, bent, restructured, you know. It's not the law. Yeah, it's not the law. Right. It's all the time it happens, there's always what they call a um uh uh objection to the rule, right? Always, and you'll find it in everything. It's like, why aren't some of these politicians that we know are crooked, why aren't they in prison? There are some things you just gotta know that are there that they know to bend certain things. It's almost like some Christians like to get almost up to the line of not sinning. So that they don't they get part of the pleasure, but they don't cr quite cross the line. And yet God considers it a character issue one way or another, even though you've not sinned. So the Bible says plain and simple. I'm just using this as an analogy. When you look on a woman after lust, you committed adultery in your heart. It's almost that kind of way. But when it comes to sports, I love sports. I grew up playing it, you grew up playing it. Um, a lot of us in this nation grew up playing it, and I mean, it was my foundation. We played sports. Uh man, I played basketball until I was like almost 50. And I mean, consistently, even sometimes on Sunday after church. I love basketball. But I also like uh football. I don't like football as much as you do. Right. I just love my Dallas Cowboys. Which I was gonna ask you what did you do.

SPEAKER_00 48:52

Now what would you tell who would you say to Jerry Jones to turn the team around? Well, let me let me go back to my other scale.

SPEAKER_01 48:58

Okay, okay, so I'm sorry, you were. Come on, man. You know, now now come on, let me stick to what I want to say. I went to that game. It was so unfortunate that I saw body language tell me almost at the beginning that they were not necessarily gonna sustain the lead. Uh, mentality and body language says a lot. Body language follows mentality, not mentality follows your body language. That body responds to how your mind is subjecting you to certain conditions. When I saw, I said something is going on with Wendy. He's he looks a little like he's dragging, he's lagging behind, he's he's you know, deeply breathing, and this is in the first quarter. They started off with such fire, couldn't maintain it. Uh I think it's discouraging when people play the game to the players, and they see like an SGA that gets all these calls, and it's almost it almost makes them feel like, what's the use? I might as well just go ahead and file them for real. You know, and then they get filed out of the game. That's the discouraging part about sports. It's it it seems to be uh extremely unfair, but unfortunately, you know, you got people that are bald. It's clear that those referees are right there watching things and they don't care. And they'll say, hey, look, you if if the players talk about us, we're gonna find them. Right. That is extremely unfair. You get to do whatever you want, however, and decide calls, but the players can't say anything publicly or they're fined. That's why some players will say, I'll rather take the fine.

SPEAKER_02 51:00

And coaches, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 51:01

Yeah, coaches, yeah. But I disagree with uh with the way the game is, it takes all the fun out of it. Now, getting back to the Dallas Cowboys.

SPEAKER_00 51:10

I was just gonna ask you real quick. Uh, I know you are a avid Cowboys and Lakers fan. I think you say you like the Cubs.

SPEAKER_01 51:18

Yeah, I'm from Chicago. Now, people would say Cubs was Sox. I'm from the North Side originally. But even if I was on the South side, I came up during an era, Ernie Banks, Fergie Jenkins, Don Kissinger, Ron Santos, man, knows where to go. Google folks, Google, Google, trying to figure out the people. Yeah, if you're not deep in the sports, you can get the biggest. But the same thing with the Lakers, I don't know what it is. I've been a Lakers fan since even living in Chicago as a little boy. I've been a Lakers fan, Gail Goodrich, Jerry West. I I like the Lakers. I've always been a Lakers fan. Well, you know what? Uh one thing about me, I am a finesse player rather than an aggressive grit player. I like when that game, like a Michael Jordan, he's a finesse player, but he's grit as well. I like those kinds of players. Uh I don't like when you're just dull and you're just shooting up jump shots. Give it to me where you're shooting it with flair. You know, you see that form and you you let it go and you're gonna be able to get it.

SPEAKER_00 52:32

I want everybody to know before we got it. I coach Bishop. We had a best, we had a church team. Yes. We won a championship.

SPEAKER_01 52:40

And we won the championship, me as the guard.

SPEAKER_00 52:43

Yes, he was one of the guards.

SPEAKER_01 52:44

I had to step in because he would not let me come in. Go ahead and help yourself.

SPEAKER_00 52:53

I challenged him and I said, This guy, sir, I don't know if you can guard him. That's why you and he said, No, I'm gonna stick him.

SPEAKER_01 53:01

The guy was like 20 years younger, but I had this and I knew how to move my feet, and I have this mouth.

SPEAKER_00 53:09

He played defense. He played defense. Not like when we were doing pickup games. He was really playing defense. He's finally giving me good.

SPEAKER_01 53:18

Oh my god!

SPEAKER_00 53:25

And I would say, Okay, well, you're gonna come off the screen. I learned humility, and I told one person this, sir. My respect for you grew so much during that time because you didn't have to listen to me. You could have just said, hey, I'm the bishop, and this is how I want to play. But I remember you saying, You're the coach. You're the coach, there's that level of respect. Um don't overstep it, which I never did. And I never overstepped Joe. No, not not any. Until he had a couple jumpers, he had a couple nice jumpers, and I just no, you sit there like, see, I told you so. But but real quick, sir, and before we um close out, and this has been a magnificent time, so thank you so much.

SPEAKER_01 54:04

Well, I'm glad you invited me.

SPEAKER_00 54:06

What advice would you give to young athletes? Being one that you did play sports, uh, and I know you played all the way up until you, you know, in that time, you've mentored professional level sports, um sports, athletes and coaches, but those young ones, those And you know some of them as well. Yes, I do.

SPEAKER_01 54:27

Just don't want to mention the name.

SPEAKER_00 54:29

You but you have a lot of kids that are coming through now that uh they're not hearing something that can really change their lives. Even though a lot of us maybe reach out, what would you say to some of these young athletes that are coming through now that can really make an impact and change their lives?

SPEAKER_01 54:46

Don't depend on your talent. It is never talent alone. That's why the Green Bay Bay Packers were so good during their time under Vince Lombardi. They didn't have a great team. They had great leadership and they had the great ability as a team to listen to a really good outside linebacker.

SPEAKER_00 55:09

My uncle.

SPEAKER_01 55:11

Yeah, that was his uncle, his real uncle in real life. Uh and I met him, and he made sure I saw his reign, too. Oh, okay. I'm sorry. But uh the it's talent alone will never make it. That talent has to be enhanced and developed, or it's gonna stay elementary because you're at the when you're talented, it's at the base of your uh ability. To enhance that will make a person great. Don't color your fingernails, okay? Let's just get all of that crap out of the way. That's that's not gonna help you. What's gonna help you is having the ability to listen, even when you think the coach is wrong. Honest to God, even when you think he's wrong. Do what he does, what he says, and when he sees that his stuff doesn't work, because some sometimes you take that talent and you take that enhancement and you put it together, it goes past beyond what the coach may see. And that's when a coach says, Great idea, I like how you did that. Because that is how you win games, and that's how you get ahead in life, period. So I would say this to the young guys learn to listen. I've I've man, I've stayed with guys that uh could have been now coaches in the NBA but didn't listen. I think the greatest tragedy of any person in any person, any game and in life period is being able to be sustained during times when you're hearing instruction. The Bible says something, iron sharpens iron, right? It sounds good, but it actually says that that friction, don't forget, that iron is friction. Those sparks, that's clashing. That's how you sharpen your edge. That's having the ability to let someone rub you the wrong way. Sharpen those edges so that when you're going through battles, you are not going to have to hit something so hard that it it takes tons of time swinging. That edge is swung, uh, sharpened to the degree where that precision is there. One cut will take care of it all. That's having the ability to listen. That's iron sharpening iron. That is critical. And if I have an opportunity to talk to men like that on Father's Day, I'll show them principles and I guarantee you they'll walk out of there realizing, man, I need a person in my life like this. Not that someone will take advantage of you or whatever the case may be, but someone will be there to cause friction. Remember, things you may have heard from me through the years didn't rub you the right way. But when it sharpened you, it sharpened you to be better at what you do as a man, as a leader, as a business person, and as a law enforcement person. I guarantee you.

SPEAKER_00 58:38

Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_01 58:39

And I don't need credit for that. God takes the credit on that.

SPEAKER_00 58:42

Well, that's awesome. If we could talk for two more hours, I I definitely will, but he is a businessman, so he has business. Who is a pastor and a pastor as well.

SPEAKER_01 58:54

Who's a husband, who's a father. So the counselor. And I don't cancel, but go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 59:03

But I I sir, I want to thank you so much for thank you for having me. This this is uh an endeavor that was laid in my heart back in December, and you shared a word, and God just meant if you don't, I had to put myself out there and announce it before I had any equipment.

SPEAKER_02 59:21

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 59:22

And it was, but it came off of a word that you were sharing, and I put myself out there, so I I love the fact that you took from your time, your busy schedule, to be on God politics and sports. And I want to encourage everybody before we close out, if you're listening to this, to go to joycenter.org or on YouTube, JoyceCenter.

SPEAKER_01 59:46

Or Michael Brown.

SPEAKER_00 59:49

And I I want to apologize for one thing. I did not bring any of his books in here. Yes, sir. I totally, and that was in my set, but I will make sure I put some of the book titles in the uh in the comment section so people can go and get on Michael Brown.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:10

M-I-K-E-L Brown.com.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:13

So you can order those books. And those books, and I think you've written real fast over 40 something books, sir.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:19

Oh, 40, yeah. I've written over 16, 17 books.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:24

I thought it was more than that. Maybe because I keep reading them over and over again.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:30

That's before AI came out. So I've been writing books for years.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:34

Those books will bless you, um, especially God's Reposition Man. I love that one. Where the Prank Mother. That's an older one. Uh, financial books uh that are that are a real blessing. Well, sir, I want to thank you so much for being on God's Politics and Sports. God bless you all. And I'm sorry, sir. Coach Bill. Coach Bill. God bless you all and enjoy this, and I will see you next week. God bless you. Thank you for joining for God Politics and Sports. Until next time, stay engaged, stay encouraged. I look forward to speaking to you again on God Politics and Sports.