Lost KSh 100K to a Pastor… Here’s What Happened Next | TRC Podcast

In this episode of the TRC Podcast Church Hurt & Church Gain series, Ruth Tengecha shares a deeply personal story about betrayal, healing, and faith.

Ruth opens up about being hurt by someone close to her — her uncle, who was also a pastor. She shares how he convinced her to give him KSh 100,000 in the name of prayer and breaking curses from her home, leaving her feeling manipulated and emotionally wounded.

Ruth also reflects on her struggles before finding God, including alcohol use, smoking, stress, and depression. Despite everything she went through, she shares how her faith journey completely transformed her life and brought her healing and peace.

This is a powerful conversation about church hurt, family betrayal, redemption, and discovering God beyond people’s actions.

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

He's a pastor by the way.

SPEAKER_00 0:01

Yeah. And he had told us like new between. So we need to sell it and give it to a man of God to toy your curse upon us. So he was just like his scam. So that I leave the hospital because I'm I'm delaying the selling of the house.

SPEAKER_02 0:16

Another day, another episode. My name is Nyambura Mongi. And I am Ruth Tengacha. It's fun. It's real.

SPEAKER_00 0:22

It's honest. It's the TRC podcast.

SPEAKER_02 0:48

It's been amazing. We've had amazing guests, amazing discussions so far. And today, the person we are interviewing, is the amazing, the beautiful, the funny, the short. Ruth Tengecha. The short. The short. The short. I had to add that.

SPEAKER_00 1:05

I'm five foot zero. That's not short. Average height of a Kenyan human being.

SPEAKER_02 1:11

Really? Really? You're five foot. Do you know how tall I am? No, I have to say, do you know how tall I am? I don't know. I'm literally five six.

SPEAKER_01 1:22

Oh.

SPEAKER_02 1:23

Okay. I'm six inches taller than you. Like you know, you're one one month older than me. So I chanis youngest son. Solomon. Yeah. So today we want to hear your experience with child. Guess what? We have the same shirt on today.

SPEAKER_00 1:38

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SPEAKER_02 1:41

So we want to hear your experience in church. Church had church gaze relationship. You are gonna have God, pastors, nini, and I have a lot to say when it comes to what you do. I can never shut my mouth. Yeah. When it comes to God, we do. Let's touch. What's your first memory of church? What was that like? And how did you encounter God at what age?

SPEAKER_00 2:02

I mean, okay. So uh I grew up Catholic. Like my mom was Catholic, so I went to a Catholic primary school. I went to three primary schools. So all my primary schools were Catholic, my high school was Catholic, my uni was Catholic. I've just been in Catholic setups basically for all my life. Like I didn't go nilko nasab niku altar girl. Ili kwanga no masana. I got baptized in Catholic, then I did my confirmation. Yeah, so basically my life was just like a Catholic. But I kwanga ille deep at the like na joy. I used to know about the existence of God. I used to know like there is God. But I kwe me fika ille pointing like I need him. So Ili kwanga like there is God. But I am not really interested in knowing him like that.

SPEAKER_02 2:54

Like that, yeah. And uh at what age do you remember encountering God? Because obviously, look in a church, you're getting to know there's this person called God, and he exists and he's there. But then your aspect relationship rather than just the religion of going to mass and whatever. When did that change?

SPEAKER_00 3:13

I think I encountered God in 2023. That's when he said, Hey, we gotta have a relationship. But I had always been praying. I remember even during KCSC, I used to read my Bible. I was always trying to look for him. But in 2023, he's where he said, Sister, we gotta have a relationship, you know. And this was when I used to smoke a lot of weed. Some people might think this is a lie, unless, like, you're a Christian, you will know that whatever I'm saying is the truth. Like, especially when I was in Strath, like, because I used to know all the dealers, and all of that. Also, like at home, I'm gonna draw my dealers when I should go nini gattak. Know them by name. I did. So I used to smoke a lot of weed. But I would find myself that every time that I would smoke weed, I'm expecting, and I used to smoke so that I could cry.

SPEAKER_02 3:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:59

So every time that I'm smoking weed, yeah, I'm supposed to be high, you know. But every time I would find myself like I've smoked weed, I'm kneeling down and I'm praying. Every single time that I would come.

SPEAKER_01 4:09

God was weed in the in the hind.

SPEAKER_00 4:11

I would start to pray. And every instance I would smoke, I'm I've smoked, I'm kneeling down, I'm praying. I've smoked, I'm kneeling down and praying. I'm just like, hey. Because it's not in the regime. And Sasa, at that point, Sikwana skianga mungusana, but nikan zanga kuskia, as I continue to smoke with like Ruth, come home, stop what you're doing. I I could hear a voice telling me that, like, stop what you're doing, come home. So me, I was just like, I come home, come home, we achambozako. So I just continued smoking and then at this time, you know, like a lot is happening with me in my life and everything. Then I just I started to get a conviction of like what I'm doing is not right. So at this point, I was listening to a lot of pastors, like na scared to a lot of things. So like na vutangway na wutangway then. Kila time na scare to like niacheku vutangwai ju, like I need happy. And then this time by there was already like a treasure in my. I know I was like the vice chair of youth. So nil kwanga very embarrassed about my actions. Ju mini vice chair kwa youth. Kanisa kila ni jo everybody just thinks I have how I'm just like this nice girl, and I'm struggling in my mind. So, like, the only person who knew about my weed struggles was our youth pastor. Pastor Patrick, by the way, if you're watching this, God bless you so much. So, like, nil kwananda mwambani kamo bianga, I'm really struggling with weed, and I was struggling with promiscuity because I used to have like this boyfriend that I was dating, and like I was engaging in Coitus. Yeah, the guy. So, like, I was just doing things that were just not good and they were just terrible. I was just doing all sorts of things, I was doing everything.

SPEAKER_02 5:39

But do you think you were just doing those things to numb the pain of everything else that was happening in your life?

SPEAKER_00 5:45

Because yeah, things were happening. I was numbing things that was happening in my life, but I also had this thing where I wanted to fit in. Because don't you, drugs, alcohol thing. Having a relationship is a nice thing, going to K1, going to Apukapo Strathcle. Niklub around Komawa. But like wenda club, like nilikwa kuk soapo kuliko ku ne tonga ku there's a club that ilwa ukross strath barabara, a chana naskuna spot on, but kunengine apu liku nga neta nina na si. Wat nime saao like nikua nenangapu after class nika classan kwana night classes. Nimeenda po nime kunyo pombezangu, nime vutamangwa lafuna rubi clasia gioni. Eh, did it.

SPEAKER_02 6:32

Misi jui. Nili kua tu nikotu. How are you going back home, bro? And I was driving. When ye when you wamung. You you just belong to the Lord. And I feel like mungwa mikuatuwa wakoktok akitambo because a cute little story about us is to kwa high school KCS period. Yeah, after Tumetoka kwaya math paper too. I've told my mom this story so many times and she laughs every time. Yeah. Tumetoka kwaya math paper too. If you know anything about me and Ruth, you know math is not our portion, never was, never will be.

SPEAKER_00 7:03

Yeah, the the car is at the 40 kilometers. I don't know how to drive, I can't calculate nothing. The swimming pool is the is there is the water. The water is entering tap A and the tap B. Get out!

SPEAKER_02 7:15

Leave me on. Yeah, yeah. Math is not our portion. So to me to fire math paper too, and we were so beaten down. Ila nyu na toka examin poakuda kitu ni mea and kika. So li at ten max ni meacha blank between nini. So tu katoka, and we were both of us were feeling really, really bad. And I remember you told me 20 football pitch uh volleyball pitch. So to kinda it was on the other side of the school, to kinda volleyball pitch, and we were just crying, being like, oh my god, we are going to fail in math, and it can be stressed. And then I remember you told me, uh, let's just pray. And we prayed and we prayed. And I remember Tuliambiana Math Si Shenda, there's nothing we can do about it, let's try for the rest. That's that was the first time I was like, eh, me hit kwa kiliango that we can pray about this. You know, let's pray about this. We have more papers to come. Now to kachileyo kitiya math ka bisa, we got this, but that's besides the point.

SPEAKER_00 8:11

You know what's so funny is I have zero recollection of that day. I can't remember, let's go here.

SPEAKER_02 8:16

So you knew like imagine volleyball pitches, the two of us, and the whole other school.

SPEAKER_00 8:28

I am a lesbian.

SPEAKER_02 8:30

Anyway, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:31

So even you don't remember that? Really? Caro, I remember nothing about high school except my D in math.

SPEAKER_02 8:39

That's the only thing you have. And okay, is there any situation in life yenye ili fanya ujipate you so much closer to God, other than him, uh you knowing him and kuvuta bangi and praying while you're high nini ni. Is there something that ever happened? That made you feel, eh, I need to get serious with this.

SPEAKER_00 9:05

When I need to get serious with God. Yeah. I feel like um it was after I said that I wanted to go to Strathmore, but I was still smoking weed anyway. After I written on my paper that I wanted to go to Strathmo, and I told God that God, I really want I really want to go to Strathmore, and I also want to get surgery because of my my reproductive health problem. Um, and he answered those prayers. I got like my surgery and everything. So at this point, this at time I'm in the Netherlands. I'm just like, hey, these prayers have been answered. So I really need to ensure that I get my relationship straight with God. Because as I've told you, like I was getting convicted heavily about the smoking of the weed. And remember, like now in the Netherlands, like weed was legal. But I'm not gonna go everywhere. So music. At that point, Nanli realized I really need to get my relationship deeper with him. So I started searching for him. I started to read the Bible and everything. But I also say, like, last year is when he literally uh showed himself to me, Kabisa. Because I remember when I started my journey with God, like used to, because I used to go complain to him a lot about the things that have happened to me in my family. I'm like, these people have done this to me, and these people have done this to me, and he used to be like, it's okay. Tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me. And he used to allow me to cry and even to tell him, Uno no, you're manifanya, Uno no, you're manifanya, Uno no you manifanya. But like last year, it was like now he knew that I had healed my heart, and he took a mirror. He showed me a mirror of myself. He said, Ruth, uh, you've been working on all the people who have hurt you. But I want uh but I want you to see who you are. And when he showed me that mirror of the person that I was, I had built my relationship with him, I'd stopped smoking weed, but I was still engaging in some things, and he showed me the mirror of who I was. Like I was a very disrespectful person, I was a person who did not value other people, I was prideful. When he showed me that mirror, I felt bad. I felt gaimina fanyanga easy vitusote, unaget. So yo ilikua, such a life-changing moment for me, and I wanted to be better for him because of the times that he has shown up for me so many times. If I start to talk about the times God has shown up for me, says he maliza up, I would run out of things before I ran out of time. Yeah, I would run out of time rather before I run out of things.

SPEAKER_02 11:21

Yeah, and Ukiskia, the phrase church hurt, because you on your series. When you hear the word church heart, what does that personally mean to you? Do you have any experiences?

SPEAKER_00 11:33

Before we even continue this, Carol, you know one thing that I like about our friendship, I just like to say, like file na kwanga supporting. What you like fully episode? Me, I have zero interviewing skills. Like, that's why like tunggefanyayi, ngafany podcast, pekyangwa at be at nunge. Like, I have zero interviewing skills. I think that's why we do the psychology newspaper in this room, and I'm nio mimtuakupigama deals. Like, me sujuku interview mtu atinikulize. Okay, so tell me zero listening. I don't know how to do that, but uh thank you.

SPEAKER_02 12:00

You have to learn to learn.

SPEAKER_00 12:03

I have to learn. See na yo listening skills. So sometimes that'll like I wanna know how to do that. Yeah. Anyway, what was the question?

SPEAKER_02 12:13

When you hear the term church hut, what does that personally mean to you?

SPEAKER_00 12:18

Personal experiences of church hurt. Yeah. Well, I remember like after my mom died, I was very angry at my grandparents, and I'd even told them, like, I was very angry at them because Nili kwana expecting my my grandfather is a bishop and my shosho is a reverend. And like I also have an uncle who is a pastor. So, like at this time, like because I'd shared like on my on my personal story that Tutu kwanga the children of the crazy lady. So it was always fights and fights and fights. Like I was there. And the things that my brother was doing, we all the three of us got collectively blamed for what all that had happened. So for a long time I had a lot of anger and bitterness towards my grandparents, and I hated them. Like I didn't want anything to do with them because I was just like, na nyeni ni pasta weveni, weveni pasta, weveni bishop, noweni reverend, nam natufanya evi, you know, and I felt so abandoned and and neglected because of the things that my brother was doing. Granted, my brother was doing crazy things, but me and my sister got the blame of it, you know. And then there was a certain time where I have this uncle who is my mom's brother. He's a terrible, he's terribly. I can't even say that. He's uh he's um he is the not a man of God according to my own understanding. Yeah but he would try to ruin the relationship of where I was living, like with MJ. Yeah. So he would call her and tell her all sorts of things, Juni Nini, even that time that we sold our property. Like he was following us every day to the registrar and he kept on threatening me and telling me if you don't give me money that I will I will I will I will report you to MJ that you're selling the house and you lack up leastfully. So he used to instill that fear inside my heart. And he would call every time that I'm living there, just basically causing problems where I lived. So I I've not worked on that relationship with that uncle of mine. I still dislike him so much because I had to pay him. I paid him like 100k so that I was a pastor, by the way. Yeah, and he had told us like new between, so we need to sell it and give it to a man of God to toy your curse upon us. So he was telling us when our house was being built, who died in that house, and my parents refused to pay like a Nigerian type of thing story. So Nilika, like this is such trash.

SPEAKER_02 14:17

So because of fear and middle point, Vilumasema, you've not worked with the relationship with that uncle. I feel maybe this is me speaking from a place of hating here to personal person episode. I don't see the need of working on it because there's nothing is contributing in your life. That's how I don't want you to have the burden of oh, I have to fix you, don't have to. You know, relationships that you have had to fix, God has shown you you have to fix with this one, with Guka, with Shosho, with with uh MJ, with Caro, with you may fix these all relationships. See Lazmo fixes ote, please. It's not a must, it's not necessary, there's nothing he's doing. Unless your Shosho is checking up when you come up on a home, come on mepona. Who you are naked, yeah. I anyway.

SPEAKER_00 15:03

He's just calling in and destroying the relationship that I had with people. And up to now I always feel very angry that I had to pay him that money. Dotor is kose malipaku because he would always tell me that you know, these people have said you're not you're not supposed to live there. Even the time that I was in hospital, remember the time I was admitted in Chiromo, like Alikuja Chiromo, not even to check up on me and find out if I was okay because at that's the point now we were selling like the property. So he was just like he's come so that I leave the hospital because I'm I'm delaying the selling of the house. And then he would tell MJ that oh, you know, Nimena could check up on Ruth and everything, and I would cry so much because nobody used to believe me that he's a bad person. And I would cry so much to God. And I remember like he kept on saying how how can us as children have all this money? Nayana Teseka work hard. Work hard. And yet, niquanga to like i persona sister ako boss, like see your sister worked hard to where she is right now.

SPEAKER_02 15:54

And my mom, 49. Your sister lived for 49 years and built wealth that is sustaining her kids nine years after her death. After her death.

SPEAKER_00 16:04

You know, you work hard. Like get your ass up and work hard. I know it's like yeah, and ashinang, like sometimes like some people when you like, like won't expect to ju mea mini mungu, like he's supposed to give you wealth. Hell no. He'll bless the work of your hands. God says in his word, he's uh I will bless the work of your hands. So nashinaki tuambia, ny ni wa tototo, how can you have money na mina te seca? What does that mean? What does that mean? These are pastor. Let me remind you, Pastor. So, like your relationship in your mizangasana because ni likuana jambia. Kamundyo Pasta na behave eeve. Alaf you aspect ya kutuambia tuna fa kumpati a pesa. Ino kituna kwa mime ni kasti na maneno za church. Kwza, I don't know how many people can relate to this. Atituna changa pesa, tununulie pasta gari. Stop that. Just cut the cameras that. Atituna tuna tuna tuna tuna tuna s mama, tununulie pasta gari. Nasi wa krugenzi, wa shirika, titu natembe. Natembe. Tununulie nyumba in everything. One thing then nye na prisheting kus the Anglican church. Na, I don't know if that's happens in PCA, na the Catholic Church, they set aside money, eye pasa like the Reverend Atai, the vicar, stroke the father, yeah, Atai ishi, nay already ikoko catered for before na kando. Si na kuwa tlifiako, ni expensize tu na pi Anglican church, ikona salary. Yeah. Enya wana lipua for that. Like, for example, come but but like Adi Paul Ali kwanka anapriach word of God and used to be a tent maker. So mina wanga yukitiya tu change tu ku ni uh siya greena.

SPEAKER_02 17:37

Iwezi. Iwezi like you need to have your own. I feel like Ioni basically could take advantage of people and could take advantage of the safe place that they have in church. But by the end of I think PRPCA ni the same, Catholic churches ni the same, like they have a system. Me, I would say my thinking, your thinking.

SPEAKER_00 17:57

My thinking, thinking. Kama like you're a full-time pastor in church. They should have a salary that they give you. Because kuna offering in a cam, kuna is more contributions in a cam, because me na fa nyang service kwa church, like me ina kwanga trashara so na understand like pesa inengiang kwa church. Watch your lipo salary. Ukipata salariyako, jipange na salariako kamo unataka, nda i ko unataka. Izo vituzote. Stop making your life our responsibility.

SPEAKER_02 18:22

If you want to have a business cando, fancy business. Faya biyashara cando.

SPEAKER_00 18:26

Una get. Bati kwa like yawa kamu naskiang makan sa singin sim. Una joya pastar ezi haezi tembea na nyinyu atti. Lazima tunuliya pastor gari. Lazima. Bona. Lazima. Bona. Lazima.

SPEAKER_02 18:39

Lazima bona. And and Paul was making tense while still doing his his ministry. Jesus was a carpenter. So from that story of that uncle and you me to pea. Who I'm the number one hater in the world. How do you separate God from people who have mysteries represented him? Because what when you have a mystery represent God, how do you separate him?

SPEAKER_00 19:02

Well, I think, I think is the fact that me minimi meet very good pastors like Reverend Wakanisaetu. I love him so much. Like he's so great. And like also our youth pastor, I've met really great pastors who see what we're buyer, which made me to change my mind that this is the character of one person. It does not reflect the character of all pastors or not or rather the character of God. Now Biblia inasema that they shall be known by their fruits. When someone is giving up fruit that does not show the character of God, because God's character is so evident and it's so wide. So kyo namtu money, easi character mungu. Like allow yourself to distinguish that ini character, e.g. John. Ini character Joroge. You get it? But see character mungu. Jumuwa yuko evo. Mungu does not do the things that woto wana do juice. Like even in the stories that we are gonna be sharing, is kya kunatuve they've been sexually assaulted in church. It makes them never ever want to appear in church again. I want you to please understand that that's the character of that person, not the character of God. Don't ever blame God kwa kitu nyumtuamefanya. Seti mungu hajona kitu mtuamefanya. They'll be punished by God, definitely. Because me many times nimeona watuwe miza. Now, menyumiza like so bad. When it's their time for God to punish them. I have watched God punish them. I've said I do love so much. Paka Nanza kuka pumino juna kwanga, I have so much reference for God. Naga panga kukaseri kumiza watu. Like you nye like intentionally ume, kumiumiza mtu. Na junga kiboko ya mugu ata uku nani. Because remember I was telling you the story of King David. Yeah. King David, you could tell that God loved David. David and God homies. Yeah. Alikua his best homie. But every time David Alikua nitam chezo kwa kazi, what used to happen? Yeah. What used to happen. Yeah. Aliyambiwa, mtoto nye, he get got with that shaba, inje.

SPEAKER_02 20:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:54

Every time that you wrong God, kiboko. He never used to joke. Every person, even if God loves you. Atami, God loves me so much. And I have so many testimonies, nikiko seanga, namina kikulanga kiboko.

SPEAKER_02 21:04

I think what wengine wwani na ogopa, apart from the people who don't believe in God, ni the people who have wamepewa cheo na mungu to serve God, then they sin without within that chair. You get like you're a priest, but you're people. Ama, you're you're you're a pastor, you're a reverend, but you're cheating on your wife. Like mungo wigup and you're doing that. You don't fear the Lord. What are some ways that church has actually been a blessing in your life?

SPEAKER_00 21:33

Wow, church has been more than a blessing to me. I do want me to give you like a list of 50. It's okay. One church gave me friends. I have a lot of my friends that are from church that I really love and care about, who have become part of my family that I didn't even think that these people would be so close to me. Like, especially Abby and Victor. Those are my really closest friends, and it has given me such a new. Perspective in life that you can get friends from church. Two church has given me like a lot of healing with a lot of pain that I had because I was a very bitter person. I had a lot of bitterness and anger in my heart regarding everything that had ever happened to me, which made me a very angry person. And church just went healing all that polipole. You know, like I've gone to one specific church that I have Anglican, but I've gone to other churches and I've also been going to BSF Bible study. That is, and like Nimepona, me, my heart is completely healed from everything. Another benefit, it has given me financial skills and leadership qualities because yeah, because now because of being treasurer in my church and also being like I was also vice church at some point. You know, there are a lot of youth events that I've normally planned. So even now it has translated into my own business. Like when I'm planning an event for my work, Nishajipanga, I know what to do.

SPEAKER_02 22:53

Yeah. Nah, nah, through all that. What is what is the lesson? Actually, the first one year, you lessons nibing. But what is the lesson you've learned personally about God? Like Ruth Nagorde nyu Neza Sema, hey Apa. On this day, I learned this about God.

SPEAKER_00 23:11

He's like this, like this. I shared on my TikTok and I'm gonna share it again. One lesson that God taught me last year that was very important is I can do nothing with that without him. He told me you are doing nothing without me. And this happened, I'm gonna share it again for someone who's not had this story. When I got sued in court, I was very scared because I was like, That's a mama, baby. You know, like how compared to where I was last year, right now I feel like I'm moved into a lady into taking care of my business. So because that time I was just a child trying to figure out like life and everything. So when I got sued and taken to court, there's nothing that I could do rather than provide evidence and shut my mouth. You know, I could only give the evidence to the lawyer, and we kept on praying. Well, how many months did you pray for that case? Because I was sued in January and by the like EOKC Lisha October. So how that was like in the entire year of 2025 where we were praying over that specific in um case. Now, so like Niliko Nashnetu, and God told me last year, you can do nothing without me. So I kept on now with after that was the important lesson that I learned. Even like when I'm praying for this business, I had to pray first. Even when we went to buy the equipment, we prayed fast. Even before we moved into this house, I pray fast. Like I invite God in everything before I go there because He clearly showed me that. I used to think because of being a prideful person and being a person of like I had so much pain in my heart because of the things that had happened to me. So me, I used to take pride in the fact that like me, I can do everything on my own. I couldn't understand it show. What do you mean? God told me, bro, shut up. You never did nothing. I'm the one who ensured that you got out of that all those places. And he clearly showed me who I I was, yeah, or who he was, or how he was protecting himself in my in my life. So he showed me that I can do nothing without him.

SPEAKER_02 25:02

I love who another interesting question is, Vilumese ma like last year, mungalukambia, don't say that you're an orphan again, you're the daughter of the most high king. Do you think that God has sent you physical representation of like a father or a mother within church just within your life? Because yes, he is your father, but also sometimes feel like there's there's a guy that munya like a father role, I'm a mother role, I'm a something. Do you think I'm sending us such people? And if he has wataja majina to wabaya sort of MJ.

SPEAKER_00 25:35

I really love her a lot because she's been she healed my mom wound, honestly. Because remember when I started living with her, me likua namoko. Not because it had anything to do with her, but just because of my own personal experiences. So, like, even then when she would tell me, I'm so proud of you, you're beautiful. How what have you gotten in school? All that, it completely healed how I felt. And even like in terms of my father, God has been my present father because I've never had like a dad. Even when Mzae passed away, like it was just like this is my dad, now he's dead, you know. But I'd say physical representations, like our reverends from church, they've always been fatherly to me. And like Reverend Parin and Reverend George and like who else? A lot of uncles, like uh my uncles from Akira Selene's side, they have been complete fathers to me. Those are my fathers, they've just shown me so much love. And like me, I felt like when God took me to that family, like He healed me completely of everything. When I went there, I was a broken ship with the no legs, with the no legs, completely with the no legs, you know. And like how I am now, I'm a completely different person. I'm so grateful for that. Me, I'm grateful for the for everyone that I have in my life. Me, like I'd say, like, even if I was to die now, which I'm not dying, I have so much to achieve. But I'd say like God has fulfilled my heart, so like he's filled me with so much joy and so much peace that me I feel complete. I feel whole. Yeah. But of course, he's the one who's made me whole. Yeah, yeah. Because when he wasn't there, I wasn't not whole. And he has done that by sending so many people into my life.

SPEAKER_02 27:07

And and what do you think like is one thing like unanza is in the anaku? Nana vilamtu anakwa na seasons that God is fixing something in you. This season wanna fix your patience, fix your pride. Like, what do you think this season is being fixed in you? Because it's your season of restoration, you're doing amazing things, tada. But what do you think says in your like anakup class? Yeah. Oh, face.

SPEAKER_00 27:32

Really? Face. Because say I'm operating in complete faith. I'm just like, I've just done up to here. Now I have to trust God or I trust God. Like it's just like I trust him or I trust him. I can do nothing else. Because, like, it's like even all the decisions that I've made because which I'm not gonna show online all of them, but you know the decisions that I that I'm taking right now, that I'm just like, ah, but thank you, man. I'm done. I'm comp I'm done. Yeah, I'm done, you know. Sony, what lesson that he's teaching me right now is having faith in him and trust giving everything to him, you know, like trusting him completely because there are so many things that he's told me you're gonna do this, this, and this, and this. And like I'd say, like, up to where I am right now, Nico, Nikonna, like half of what I need, the other half I do not have, and I don't know where it's gonna come from. Yeah, me too, Nikodum trust. Yeah, so that's one lesson is teaching me in this instance right now. Trust, you trust me, yeah, or you trust me. Yeah, you trust me.

SPEAKER_02 28:28

You don't have the option, or you trust me, yeah. And I feel like Nini, adi kwa kwa friendship here to end in our business and everything. Like, you know, konga ni either you know God or you know God.

SPEAKER_00 28:39

Yeah, you know God or you know God. You know, one thing that I really like about even the work that you're doing right now, and we're discussing off-camera. We're saying like everybody that we've worked with so far is a person who knows God. Yeah, tu jaletoam tumwe, haju mungu, kilam tumunye, we are interacting with is a person who knows God, which gives me peace and so much like um hope that God is with us in everything that we are doing. Because killam tumetu wa patana naenim tumunye andajua mungu.

SPEAKER_02 29:04

Nasu ku dra mungu like dog oruako deep in God like 100%. And it's so it's it's comforting. Pi na kupe confidence. The fact that you're working with this person, you come back a confirmation, yeah. I mean, this like you're going to be okay.

SPEAKER_00 29:19

Mimi, I just even like to share it as a testimony. We shared it on Victor's episode, and I'm gonna say it again. Me, the day to buy easy equipment. Yeah, that is the day that I knew God had said proceed with the podcast. I'm here. Yeah, continue, I'm present, I am very much here.

SPEAKER_02 29:34

And that felt like the the the devil, the the devil's last attempt.

SPEAKER_00 29:39

Like I could like India the last thing he could do to prevent us from doing uh this work. Yeah. And me, I just like because it's a conversion anyway, it is not messed okay, because in your conversion I cheap in a lot. What lesson is God teaching you right now, Karo? What do you think God and a kufunza we say personally?

SPEAKER_02 29:55

We growth. Growth? Yeah, you know it to anifunza, because I feel like nili sumakwa episoding and I've said it so many times that Ruth ni rafi kimonyana nifayangalek, ni move, like um kawang type of thing. So that is what God is teaching me right now. That you can coming from a place where ni kongana so much fear about so many things, and a nifunza illea, take step one and step two, and step and step five at the same time. Yeah, I'm figuring them out. Like, even if you have a dream, ukika chini, Steve Havia Nasemanga, when you give up, the only thing that that um ya ume ensure a hundred percent that you will never make it. That is the only thing you've done. When you give up, you're just you have just literally made the statistic a hundred percent sure that you're never gonna make it.

SPEAKER_00 30:41

That you're never gonna make it.

SPEAKER_02 30:42

But you never when you try, atatusemu ufike, ufike 30%, you have a 70% chance of making it. You see, like you try and you know the chance you make it. You see, so that is what God has been teaching me. Like song, kutembi. Yes, you don't you don't see the steps ahead.

SPEAKER_00 30:59

You know feeling you're walking like a walk on water. Yeah, I mean so the Bible and be done. What do you mean you're telling me this is the only son that I have been waiting for years, years upon years. Alafna niambia dataka tu cheseka game. When you sacrifice God given you, you just have a sense of humor that we are done.

SPEAKER_02 31:20

I know. Done. Say in many funza evil, like I know you can't see the steps ahead, but just step. I've got you. We can move your leg, kanyaga, kanyaga, and okay. Like pause the videos, do the podcast, do the business, have that confidence to do things. You see, and it's it's very refreshing. Okay, take a step, then wanna, oh, yeah, in a in a bilingi confidence, even the next step would I take with a bit more confidence than.

SPEAKER_00 31:44

And I remember when we were starting this podcast, maybe my main fear, I don't know whoever will see this online, it's okay, you can say mini likuwa so scared of getting cancelled. Ile kuambiwa, like ilekutusiwa. Na get. But even with the influencers that we've met so far, wakwa like, ah, but ako to see too. So mini likuana wkopa ku to siwa, juni likua like, watu ako ready like il mtwa nakwangaredi kuku ku ku kwa na tu kifei. Kama like sani nikwana pite like before we shot this, nikwana pite like my my TikTok. Nikwa ta mtu like a screenshot like a video I was making, like maybe ni likawa nafanya also. So like aka screenshot a lafa kani to me a kama picture. So it's just like aka thing kuni to make me feel bad about I don't know. Tuna kwanga weird. To make me feel bad about myself.

SPEAKER_02 32:27

So nikamame yoni no ma yoni moto. Like vitusing ako like what when you to me meet water wanatuambia to ah, nikitutu Peter, you know, like you'll get cancelled and then you'll move on, people will have so many things to do. Then I wanna cancell for long, mm-hmm, one time and all that. You have a lot of things on your mind. But eh, yun nakutu mungwa mekwaki ni funza to have the faith to take those steps. Yeah. And a question that we'll both answer. If there is one thing you could change about church, what would it be? One thing that I could change about church. People go fast as I think I could change about church. I feel like I would make it more of which maybe I've seen more churches doing this, so it's not uh it's not a new thing I'm creating. But the the activeness in the young people, it's so fun, bro. Like I feel like you and Yokitu Hua in a letter the young people in church. Kama seen ilukwa bang brothango later malikwa nender ACK. They had like these regional competitions and whatever. And like we used to go create choreographies, dance, go for rehearsals. Now every day to get rehearsals during the week. You're having a present worship session, you're having a prayer session, you're reading the word, then you start the rehearsals. You see, like it's a more nini way for you to encounter God, type of thing. So I feel like every church, like in a farko to a thing, I've seen it with the big, big churches, small, small churches is really bad, but in a far a thing where the youth is so active. It's so active. I think if you can be a kayakuya kutoka youth, una kateririya hapo. It's so active, like the competitions, appreciating the talent. But the good thing is I've seen it more and more in churches. So yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:20

And you? Can you believe and do due diligence? Nakama Mefanyvo, kick him out. Completely out of that place. Because there's a story that I was hearing from Bosi. Showing me atin the SDA church, there's this guy who assaulted a class seven girl, and he's one of the church, yeah, he's one of the church elders. And then it turned to now the class seven guard seduced the man. So like they prayed for him, they prayed for him, and then he was told to leave Kidogo and then came back later. That's just a lot of things that will make people not want to come to church. So if it's happened, injure na injure immediately. You know, run a tight ship, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 35:04

And focus more on the word of God rather than anything else. Instead of preaching the actual word. And I feel like tuna photoscript yeah, the actual word. So much more severe and so much more serious. You see, because this is a name kawa, okay, it li happened kitambo. Maybe right now she's an adult. You can't convince that girl to go to church. Always in conversation. So you name say it abidi like, munguaji shekwa key yeyemye like personally. And just because of the actions of one person, like so so, so, so annoying, bro.

SPEAKER_00 35:46

I was saying also this creator Akisewa that she was now rebuilding a relationship with God. I think she's called Gadoni. Maybe you can invite her one day because she speaks about God a lot. And she said that she got like uh graped in church by someone who was a man of God. Aqua pasta batalikwa isoma leader nini nini, then came to her house, they drank alcohol, then drink. So, like your staff, I jay to kaka kwa kichuayake. So it's kind of a lot it's a lot.

SPEAKER_02 36:18

Now it won't be to kayza like where may God just heal your heart. May God just heal your heart.

SPEAKER_00 36:22

May God himself him himself. Yeah, everything that happened meets God who has healed my heart. So I just pray that whoever has been hurt that may God heal your heart and talk to him, talk to him, tell him this and this has happened to me. God, when you're angry at him, tell him, Father, I am angry at you, he's your father. He will listen. Every two seconds, I'm done. And then I'm like, hi, I'm back. I'm done.

SPEAKER_02 36:46

Hi, I'm back. You know, I think another thing I'm learning I'm learning, God is just there in the sky on this big throne. He's just seated there watching over everyone. And the more you get to know about God, the more you get to understand it's not like that. Like he is in your everyday, he's understanding you everywhere you go. So he cares about the little things. There are so many times, like we'll have video calls with Ruth that like, uh, me losy kia mungo. You know, like me, I'm mad at you. I will just read down in the mad journals, mini me jam, eh, and then you come back. The same way you argue with your earthly parents is the same way you're going to argue with God. But the problem, the the thing is with him, it's all love. Atu rudy, atu throw tantrums, is too much.

SPEAKER_00 37:40

Wali niambia, they can't produce my episode. I don't know what they thought about me, which is okay. Nilikwa shattered. I was completely shattered because I thought that was the only way that I could ever have my story out there and grow nili liya machosi. You remember that day? I couldn't even drive. I couldn't drive.

SPEAKER_02 38:00

We were in the bank. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:01

And Karo is talking to I'm Yeah. And this one like, Swendu lukumeni peleka hapa. Why would you not me if I kwani me liya? And it's gonna check now look at me.

SPEAKER_02 38:18

Aki nili scare me baya. Nili feel strategic. Mgwana kwa strategic. Because the sometimes like your emotions, yes, yes, your time will scare me by ya. Like in it right now, cause you story ingetoka, yes, na yenda na whatever, whatever we wanted to happen, it happened. But right now you have your own podcast, you bought your own things. Toka happen a hunter, we pay a hunter gig to na faiya because we are bringing so many people here. So it was not only about them, it was about you and the people that God is going to bless through you. You see. So I feel like we zingina yesu to ski uchungu for the purpose of God is just greater than those things. Because now I think you are okay with the tears you cried, but now you have your own podcast, right?

SPEAKER_00 39:01

And I really appreciate you as my friend Caro. I really do. Like I don't know what I would do without you. Like Una Kwanga, my my everything. To the moon to the back. To the moon to the back. To the moon to the back. I really appreciate you in my life. I don't know what I would do without you. There's some things that you normally do for me that no human being has ever done.

SPEAKER_02 39:21

I love you.

SPEAKER_00 39:22

Love you too.

SPEAKER_02 39:23

Now, my idea to kubana fayanga is the little things.

SPEAKER_00 39:26

This girl loves the little things really matter a lot to me.

SPEAKER_02 39:30

I love you so much. I love you too. Anyway, that has been an amazing episode. Thank you so much, guys, for watching. And see you guys on the next one. Bye.