Why Church Girls Choose Bad Boys,Why Churches Protect Leaders | TRC Podcast

In this episode of the TRC Podcast Church Hurt & Church Gain series, Hannah shares her perspective on faith, marriage, church culture, and accountability within Christian spaces.

Married for 11 years after getting married at 23, Hannah reflects on the lessons she has learned through marriage, faith, and life experience.

She opens up about why, in her opinion, many church girls are often attracted to “bad boys” more than church boys, and why churches need to have more honest conversations around relationships and emotional maturity.

Hannah also speaks on the importance of accountability among church leaders, discussing how some harmful behaviors in church spaces are often ignored or spiritually “sanitized” instead of properly addressed.

This is a bold but honest conversation about church culture, healing, relationships, responsibility, and avoiding pressure when it comes to marriage.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:00

The guys in church are boring. I'm sorry to say this. But that's that's like the 'cause we don't know you think to keep a tana to fanya Bible study, so that's the notion that most people have. So you're thinking I want to date. And for every Christian girl out there, I think I can say is they want to date a bad boy.

SPEAKER_01 0:25

Another day, another episode. My name is Nyambura Mwange, and I am Ruth Tengecha. It's fun, it's real, it's honest.

SPEAKER_00 0:31

It's a TRC podcast. We are so grateful for all the views that you've given us. We are grateful for the subscribers for the views on YouTube, TikTok, and Instagram. So continue following, continue viewing. And today we have a very special guest on our show. She's a great lady, she teaches me a lot about God. Her and her husband, they have God in their sitting room to read them actually. And like I've learned so much about God from her. And I thought that it would be important to, you know, have her on the podcast today so that you can discuss about her church story, how she met God, if she was hurt in the church, and she's an entrepreneur, she's a business owner, she sells granola, Kashuna. She'll tell us all about it, and we'll put the business here on the description so that you can go and follow and buy her products. So please tell us your name and welcome to the show.

SPEAKER_03 1:42

Thank you, thank you very much. Um, my name is Hannah Wangari Njuguna or Kuria. Uh Kuria is my dad's name, Njuguna is my husband's name.

SPEAKER_00 1:53

There's no Korea, it's Njuguna now. It's Njuguna Njuguna is Kuria. Oh, yeah. Oh, sorry.

SPEAKER_03 1:57

I take that back. So Hanna Wangari Njuguna. Yes, Njuguna is my husband. And we are blessed with two beautiful children.

SPEAKER_00 2:04

And we thank God. Let me tell you guys something. The two beautiful children are my favorite. And then there's a small one, she's called Heidi. And I also love Luke. They are my favorites. But Heidi, she's always running away from someone. I want to hurt my feelings. You know that I'm always hurt. I'm always gonna Heidi. And I'm like, Heidi, she's like, no, no.

SPEAKER_01 2:24

Boundaries.

SPEAKER_00 2:26

But everybody likes me. Why don't you like me? I seek her validation so much. She doesn't know.

SPEAKER_03 2:32

She's grown up so much. The other day she was asking, well, like, I think she saw you and uh I was watching a podcast and she was like, Why is she not at Shiro's house? And I was like, Ah, yeah, you should tell her why you're not at Shiro's house. Oh, she asked about that. She did, she did. Because they've gone, I think we've just gone once. You guys have gone once. Oh, I'm I almost ask my husband. So, yeah, they've gone once and you are not there. So she was asking, Why are you not at Shiro's house? No, she's there, she's just not there. Like, yeah, that's not my story to tell.

SPEAKER_00 3:04

I really love Heidi and Luke, they're my favorite. They're my favorite. Oops, well, the earrings they don't want to be in the show.

SPEAKER_03 3:11

I said so.

SPEAKER_00 3:11

Let me remove them. Yeah, and let me focus.

SPEAKER_01 3:14

You are our first married guest. Oh, Gen Z, Watuaka Singo, what you're our first married lady. Oh my mother.

SPEAKER_03 3:26

Thank you. And I am so proud of it. And you know, that signals something, so you know, no pressure. I'm just signals where to whom not I didn't say to you, I did not say to you. I just said no pressure.

SPEAKER_00 3:40

Hannah question. What do you think about our outfits today? Do you see your matching?

SPEAKER_03 3:44

I I saw that even uh there's there's a podcast you guys were wearing green. You guys are coordinating your outfits, but I like them.

SPEAKER_00 3:52

Yes, we are actually coordinating our outfits by the way, and our tops from today are from a shop called The Bug Kenya. And they're sponsoring our outfits for the shoot. So if you want to get some really cute tops, if you're a girl or if you're a guy, they have really nice t-shirts for guys, really nice tops for ladies. And if you go to their website on Instagram at the bag Kenya and use the promo code TRC15, you're going to get a 15% discount off your clothes. So we're gonna put the link to their page here. So please go and get yourself a really cute top. Usia to a new marriage. It could be orange, it could be green, it could be anyone, it could be anything.

SPEAKER_01 4:29

Yeah, for the guys, they are t-shirts, polo shirts, by the way. Cindy was cooler polo shirts, really, really nice shirts. So just go check them out.

SPEAKER_00 4:36

Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 4:38

Nice, they look really good.

SPEAKER_00 4:39

Thank you. So you're telling us about being married.

SPEAKER_03 4:42

Oh, yeah, it's the best. It's the best.

SPEAKER_01 4:45

Munaskia. Munaskia. Jesse's villain lose hope. It's the best. It's the best.

SPEAKER_03 4:50

It's the best. I I feel like we some experiences, yeah. Uh people's experiences is what makes uh the ones who listen to the experience decide, uh, this is not for me, this is for me. But until you have experienced it, you won't be in a position to say, ah, that's not for me. Yeah. Because if you find the right person, you work things out. There's no at the roses all the time, but we work things out. Every single day you wake up, you choose each other, every single day.

SPEAKER_00 5:22

And I think that's really important about love. Because I was discussing with my sister a few days ago with her friends, gone, we'd gone somewhere, and they were saying that you know love is a choice. You don't love you, you choose, it's like I choose to love you every single day. Like, even in this business, I choose to be with Carol every day. Some days I'm like, I want to quit, but I'm like, I'm choosing today because love is a choice. You've met this person, okay, and I'm gonna choose you till the end.

SPEAKER_03 5:47

Yeah, yeah, that's what happens. So I feel like we should stop. Um the word is you should just stop uh grouping every single story and every marriage story to one bad experience, yeah, and just allow yourself to be loved one and to love, and then just discover how that relationship looks like.

SPEAKER_00 6:11

I saw when I get married, it's really fine, and you will be able to.

SPEAKER_03 6:15

When the time is right, yeah, no rush, but I was talking to Celine the other day, and I was telling her, Listen, I am very comfortable. Um, when you call me and tell me, hey, I'm married, I don't have to come to your wedding, but no rush, yeah. Like, because I feel like uh we when you think about marriage, you're thinking about the wedding day, and then you're starting thinking about all the finances, all the people. So if anything goes wrong, I have so many people that will ask me why didn't this work? But it doesn't have to be like that. Like you can literally get married in the courts, yeah. The churches right now who are telling people you want to get married, come. We will do it if you want to do it in the church and you don't want people, just bring your parents and your best couple, and we do it.

SPEAKER_01 7:01

Wow, yeah, there's a there's a pastor around our home at Little Amei where like we had gone for like some youth convention thingy, and he told us because I know this generation is worried so much about the money, like we're coming to work, and you're together in God. Just come to me, bring your parents and your best couple, and that like that's it.

SPEAKER_00 7:20

That can't work for Ruth.

SPEAKER_01 7:22

Yeah, I need to have a nice dress.

SPEAKER_00 7:24

Sorry, I'm sorry, I need the dress.

SPEAKER_03 7:26

You know, the thing is that doesn't mean you can't have it after. Oh like there's always think about um Auntie, they did a grand wedding after so many years. Yeah, so doing a small wedding right now doesn't mean you can't have a grand one after. Which is even better because now your kids are there. Everyone who's important to you is that like I have an issue explaining to my son and my daughter why they were not there at our wedding. Every time they see the pictures and they're like, Why didn't you wait for us?

SPEAKER_01 7:59

Why didn't you wait for us? Hey, don't they even start answering that?

SPEAKER_03 8:03

You'll be like, Well, see, when you guys get married, we'll be there. Like, you have to say something, but yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:10

Okay, so moving on to your church story, we were just debunking on the whole marriage thing, which can be another series on its own. Yeah, but we wanted to ask, um, how did you meet God, Hannah? Where did you meet God, or when did you learn about God? Did you learn about God in childhood? Did you learn about him apocaticati? Where did you learn about God?

SPEAKER_03 8:30

So I am very privileged to say that I was brought up in a Christian home. That's lovely, and taken to church all through, raised by my grandmother. So church was not an option, yeah, like it was part of life. And so from a young age, I knew God. I thought I was born again up until I was in Form 1, where I understood really what salvation is, and that's when I gave my life to Jesus, like fully, fully. Like the other time I was just a church person, lecture for real. Yeah, for real. Now understanding, you know, when you've been in church your whole life, you think you're born again because you've been in church your whole life, but then once you have understanding is when you know, oh, so I'm just a good Christian, but I am not born again. So I gave my life to Jesus when I was in Form 1, and then that has been life, like a lot has happened in and because I mean Inform 1 gave my life to Jesus, joined CU all through the four years, got out and then joined a church. I I'm from ACK, so getting born again was so foreign for me. But um, when I got out of school, I couldn't continue going to the ACK because now our school had CU, CU is a Christian union, okay, and then so every time we close school, um I'm from the Kiroshonini, and then I go back to go back home and it's hymns. Now for a new believer, that's really hard because I've got him born again in school, it's charismatic, and then I go back home, we're using hymns, and it's really hard. But I couldn't do anything up until I finished high school because when now I'm an adult, I can do whatever I want, and then whatever I want wanted was to change churches, and that's what I did.

SPEAKER_00 10:17

Oh, so which church did you go to? I went to Conaston Faith Assembly, where I met my lovely husband.

SPEAKER_03 10:24

Yes, yeah, so and then from there, it's just been a walk uh with the Lord day by day.

SPEAKER_00 10:31

Do you still go to Conestone?

SPEAKER_03 10:32

No, no, no, no, no. Oh, you change churches? I've changed, I think twice. Conestone, then I went to Nairobi Chapel because there's a time we used to live in Rongay. Just going to Conestone did not seem wise very far. And then when we moved from Rongay again, now we go to Papa Center in Westlands, Rock West.

SPEAKER_00 10:52

Oh, Rock West? Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 10:55

Karibuni Sana.

SPEAKER_00 10:56

Assante. Okay, yeah, you said that's where you met. Um, you you you you were born again, right? What led you to being born again? Did you have like an experience that was like, you know what, I need Jesus now? Or you were just like, you know what? Let me try God.

SPEAKER_03 11:14

It was the preaching. I kid you know what it was, the preaching. The guy who was preaching, we we used to have weekend challenges in school. So that weekend, it was the weekend of the weekend challenges you've been preached for since Friday. You've been shown how my friend, if you don't have Jesus, you're going to hell. You've not given your life to Jesus, you're going to hell. There are some very passionate people out there about God. And so they were we've been preached for for three days straight. And then on the Sunday, the last day of the weekend challenges, and I was like, Am I sure I'm going to heaven? If I die today, you know, they ask you that. So if you die today, where are you going? You're going to heaven or hell? And I was like, I'm not sure I'm going to heaven. Because I don't think I've ever given my life to Jesus. I'm a good person, but I don't know if I'll go to heaven or hell. So that's what led me to just that one question. They asked, if you died today, will you go to heaven or you could go to hell?

SPEAKER_00 12:08

Depart from me. I never knew you. I don't know if I meet God and tells me, Depart from me. And does my savannah? You know, that is only so scary to me. It is when it's like he tells you, depart from me.

SPEAKER_03 12:25

I think that was also part of the preachings that weekend. Oh, that guy was so passionate. I remember his name is I don't know if he's still alive, but his name is Hagai, Ama was Hagai. And he was so passionate because he was a Muslim and then he converted. So he was like, Let me tell you, I've seen stuff back there, and I'm here, and you need to know this Jesus. So he was very passionate about it, and that's how I decided to cross over to this other side.

SPEAKER_00 12:50

Oh, okay. And how has the journey been so far?

SPEAKER_03 12:53

Man, it has been uh without lying, it has been ups and downs. Like it's I love Jesus, I I want to live for him, but it's not as easy every day. It's literally what we said at the beginning: it's choosing every single day, choosing to love on him and understanding that I actually can't do it on my own. There is nothing I have to offer, there is nothing I have to offer God, so it's him who sustains me. So yeah, it's been an interesting journey, definitely ups and downs, definitely times that I thought, I don't think I can do this. And you see, especially after high school, um, where everyone is going out for raves and all that, that was not an easy time for me because like you've already chosen Jesus, and then just because I was in CU, you know, everybody knows I'm born again. Everyone in school, whether you are a newcomer or not, so I was like, Do I want to embarrass God like that? Like I was in high school, CU, chair lady, and all that, and then when I get out, um have you ever felt like sometimes kukuak a Christian in a kwanga embarrassing?

SPEAKER_00 14:09

And I'm not saying it's embarrassing, it's a feeling that comes because we were discussing in Bible study. I had gone and they were saying sometimes even people are saying when they are at work, and this is a Bible study to Kwanga Monday at 5 30. So, like you're telling your boss, um, I I I have to leave because I have to go to Bible study. So you can't say Bible study like I have a committing because you feel embarrassed because sometimes people are like look at you and like you are going to spend your time like that, where it's like you feel bad, everybody's like, hey guys, let's go out, ni ni ni. But you're like, I think I'll go to church, you know. So do you have you ever felt that way, like at that period now after high school, where you're feeling like you don't want to embarrass God? Yeah, so did you feel like have you ever felt like Christianity says and then okay, to to to just show you how bad it can get, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 14:59

Um at that time, you know, right now churches have things that they're doing for young people. Back then, not back then, when I say back then, I'm not that old. I'm just saying like happen your machine doggo, there are none of those things that were happening. So you it was just Bible study and church on Sunday, you're either in the present worship or youth church, so you felt like you're missing out, and you're missing out, and you fully know that there's some people who you're in church with, but they are not fully committed, so you feel like I try too hard, yeah. Like I'm doing extra I'm doing extra, and it's I feel like if at that moment you do not have someone you can walk with, yeah, it's very easily to be swayed, very easily, because one you want to date, the guys in church are boring. I'm sorry to say this, but that's that's like the because we don't know you think to keep paternatua study, so that's the notion that most people have. So you're thinking, I want to date, and for every Christian girl out there, I think I can say is they want to date a bad boy. Why loudly so I think now that's where that reality hits you, and like why am I thinking in the truth? I am your machidogo, should have waited for years to go.

SPEAKER_00 16:31

And then sometimes one thing that can say can frustrate someone as a Christian, and some we had said it in the previous episode of our friend called Abhi, where you we know we're supposed to wait on God's timing, and God's timing is better than human timing. Oh, yeah, but when you are in the waiting, where the waiting so hard, it's like you know he's going to do it, but it's like sometimes it's just like is he really and then the enemy that's when he knows how to come and tell you, Ali kwambia, Lini. I got like mocking you and telling you, Did you really hear that? Did you really hear that? Oh, please, you know, and then now that's when the time the enemy really tries to, you know, attack you and be like, he never said anything like to you, to you.

SPEAKER_03 17:11

Do you even hear God?

SPEAKER_00 17:11

Do you even hear God? Do you even speak to God? Those are just your thoughts. Yeah. So sometimes kukua Christian Nakwanga it's a very it's a it's a it's a limbo dance, really. Una feeling like, okay, I believe in God and I've prayed, and he's going, and we say the Bible says he's my sustainer, do not be afraid. Joshua chapter 1, verse 6 to 9. He also says that uh he provides for the birth of there, even me he'll pray. And then you're like, did he say really?

SPEAKER_03 17:34

You're like, I feel like it's the the disconnect comes when you're seeing everyone else who's not born again, their lives are exiling. My god, you look at the person you were with in high school, you're thinking, huh? Like same years, same difference, and then things have not happened for you like that. So you're you're thinking, Maybe it's the decision I made to follow Christ, maybe anafanyagavitu polipole sana. But with time, you actually learn it's for your own good, and then with time you learn that people compromise a lot, and then you're like, hey, thank God. Like he has kept me, and I'm and I'm glad.

SPEAKER_01 18:15

Yeah, and the thing is, Kwavituza Mungo Una kujanga kujuwa ba die like you can't see it right now, yeah, but you're going to see it later. I was in TikTok, I was on TikTok, Josie, and there was this woman who was saying, like, I believe in God. Like I like her whole page is Christian content, but I believe in God, but I don't think he wants anything to do with me. Like, I don't think he wants to do any anything to do with me because I've prayed so many prayers, I'm in such a bad situation. I went to church for help, and before I went to church, I told God, I really hope the church doesn't turn their back on me. They're my last resort. And I went and they turned their entire back on me, even their shoes, everything, they turned their knees, everything they turned it, and then I'll go ahead. The last guy I was talking to that I really liked, uh Tulia Chana because I lisema hataki stories a marriage and kids and whatever, and that's what I want. Guess who is married and has kids now? That X, and she is still single, so I'll like it.

SPEAKER_03 19:15

You know, yeah, and and that is I feel like one of the struggles uh we deal with on a daily as Christians, but also one of the things that I've come to terms with is there is a failure uh in the older generation for see the Bible says let the older women teach the younger women, right? So even men, it's it's the same. So there's such a failure in that aspect of being taught how to handle each other, and so like to her point when she thought church is my last resort, like church cannot be your last resort, like it has to be God because if at all you're placing everything in this building, because most of the time when we talk about church, we're talking about building, and the people who are in there, people who are there are human, yeah, people who are there are have not fully yielded to the Holy Spirit, so they will hurt you because even then they're dealing with the issues. So I feel like that's uh the thing that is going on for the generation that we're in, even the other generations, we do not have people who would um the word is teach us and just guide us through the steps because I've been there. I know when we say church is church did this. We normally mean the people in church did this, and because of that, I've left. I've had so many people say I left church but I didn't leave God. Yeah, and unfortunately, it is sad because then it means they are not part of a fellowship. Yeah, the Bible does say do not do not forsake the gathering of believers. So if you leave church, um that's what you're doing. You're saying I don't want anything to do with these people who are in church because they also have their uh shortcomings.

SPEAKER_00 21:10

But Hannah, I I get what you're saying. Sometimes somebody can be done something so bad in church. Like, for example, Una Skiza Mastories, like on other podcasts especially this podcast called So This Is Love. I don't know if you notice by Jules, and there's this girl who was saying how like she was raped by uh I think it was a pastor, and the pastor had raped many other people, and then when they went to report it in the police situation, it ended up being like, uh um, let's pray for the pastor to come uh out, and then all other uh all the rest of the victims while you watch on a draw something like that, Hannah, that person before a heal, and then you go and tell them, you know God, you know God, hey.

SPEAKER_03 21:50

It listen it's it's sad to think about it for real, because what we have done for so long is excused bad behavior. Like we do not have a standard even as a church, and so when someone does something wrong, clearly they want to hide it, and you know, we can't asham the man of God.

SPEAKER_00 22:14

We can't even stand up from this situation pressure, but it's a failure in all of us because we have refused to hold people accountable. Imagine I was robbed by someone who is a pastor, and he he he's like he's my relative. And when I talked about that situation, I was told I'm disrespecting and I'm gonna get sued by saying what this person did to me. Yes, imagine because he's a man of God, even so am I, even me, a woman of God.

SPEAKER_03 22:41

It's it's it's it's what the the especially the older generation they think that's dishonor. So they have not um acquainted themselves with the nature of God that is just because listen, if you're serving God, God expects you to be of of no reproach, so no accusation can be made against you, but most people think I'm saved by grace, mini koshawa, even if I do this, God still forgives me. But you forget that one, especially for pastors, you are shepherding people, and if the Bible says you should be of no reproach, it means when someone is asked in your congregation, find fault in this one, they can't find it. Not because they are trying too much to be perfect, but because they have allowed the Holy Spirit.

SPEAKER_00 23:32

One thing that I know about God, and I always keep on saying that He's a righteous judge, even if you are whoever, and I always like to give the example of King David, God and David they were homies, yeah. But when David tried, God wanna like you know, because it's David, God said, Ah, kuna. And so sometimes them, I think the generation now, the older generation, is like, wow, and acting because it's them, nothing will happen to them. And then God is like, Oh, really? Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_03 24:01

Every one of us has been called to be righteous and to be of no reproach. Like, as long as you're representing God, you're supposed to be have a clean slate. And in that I mean in terms of character, and that's why he works so much on us in in the secret place. He's constantly, even the reason he'll constantly tell you, I don't like your line, when you're not with a lot of people, yeah, he tells you, I don't like this about you. Change because he's trying to make sure that you have character so that when he takes you where you'll be interacting with people, that character is evident. Yeah, so someone says, and yeah, you follow Christ, why? Because you are very integral in a matter that nobody was watching, nobody nobody will have known, but you're still integral. So I feel like that's what happens. Like the church, we've have accepted that we are saved by grace, you know, and we're going to heaven, and so that means I don't have to be, you know, as holy. That means I don't have to walk straight, which is wrong. Like every single person, and I feel like even people in the church and the congregation, you should have a very high expectation of your pastor and of the person sitting next to you. Yeah. Because, like, in those situations, why is it that you guys want to pray for the pastor and he raped girls?

SPEAKER_00 25:21

Exactly. At you, we're going to pray for him, and then uh we're going to at least some time off, and these people have been raped. Do you know what because that means you're not representing the aspect of God as a judge and as a just you are misrepresenting him because people would be like, you know, at a mini likuana, those questions before, Niko, like if somebody is a man of God and a fanny Ivy, so many, come on. No, thanks. See, that's the thing. That's the thing, that's the thing. And so many people are saying he God because of being hurt by people who are misrepresenting God.

SPEAKER_03 25:54

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:55

And I feel like that's another level of punishment for those people. When the Bible says do not use my name in vain, it does not mean that you seema guy, guy, guy, yet you know you're using his name in vain. It's your your your habits represent mungu na habits, and you're out here raping people, you're out here misleading people under his name. Like under the name God, this is what you're doing. Nah, unmuta one of his children, like you've you've you've made one of his children go away from chat and go away from God. That's another level of hellfire that you're going to experience. That's true.

SPEAKER_03 26:33

Because one of the things that people do not really consider is the eternal ramifications of the things you do here. Because if someone, if a soul is lost because of something you did, you'll have to answer to God, especially if they were handed to you, like they were under your care. You'll have to answer, why did I give you this? When the Bible says that uh the parable of the talents, when he comes back, he's going to require, yeah, I gave you this and this. What did you do with it? So people think uh that that parable is just for money and your talents, but it's ideally a different perspective. It's ideally, God has given you people to shepherd over, right? So when he comes back, the Bible says that he his gifts are for edification, yes, but also so that we can be able to raise saints. And if he's given you a group of people to shepherd, and when he comes back to ask there's none because you had character issues, because they all left the church because you had them. So when God comes to ask you, this people I gave you, what can you show me? There's nothing, so he even that little which you had is taken away. So when we think that that is just about money, we fail, like okay, we don't fail, it's about the things of God. The Bible has very many interpretations, right? And so that's one of it. So God has given you a group of people to take care of, He's given you um someone to shepherd and to walk with, but then you cut them short, you do whatever you because you've refused to deal with your character issue. So now what they were supposed to be by being under you, they have not become, in fact, they've walked away from God. So when He comes back and asks you, Okay, so I gave you Ruth because I needed her to become so and so by you walking with her, you praying with her, you helping her, um, and guiding her, she hasn't become so why? Yeah, it's it's part of God's we we need to understand, and people I feel like we have lost the fear of God so much that we interpret the Bible the way we want, and we we are okay, we're saved by grace, you know. Everyone is a sinner. That's the most misinterpreted verse and misused line is everyone is a sinner, and we are, you know, saints saved by grace. It doesn't mean that God has not called you to be righteous, it doesn't mean that God has not called you to live rightly, for you to just be okay with I lied and it's okay. Um, you know, we are not perfect. We are constantly misrepresenting the Lord constantly, and it's because we've lost the fear of God, even as as a generation, constantly. You find the people who really don't care. I'll I'll I'll tell you, I'll be here at 11:30, and I know fully well at 11:30 it's a quantoka home.

SPEAKER_00 29:36

Even those ones.

SPEAKER_03 29:38

Well, yeah, because let me tell you, it starts with the small things. Sindel, before you get to the a hundred uh thousand, um a hundred million, you started with a hundred shillings. Like um, e kitu. Uh a hundred nya nini nanandika. Right? So it's that small before it gets to the large scale. So even even in those small things, because why God does not call us to be if it's do not lie, right? So when I tell you I'll be here at 11, and I know at 11 and stuck on in my talker. Because the people who know they will not leave. Yeah. Nana jutunni na kudanganya. Isn't that line? Isn't that what the Bible says don't do?

SPEAKER_04 30:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:23

Exactly that. Like the Megita meeting while you are speaking, like, wa, I think after this, may I'm just gonna go and tell God's story. Because sometimes you will lose sometimes you think that oh me, I fear God. You actually don't. You know, you think that you you have the fear of the Lord and you actually don't, you know, even sometimes, even like especially like with my following on TikTok and everything, sometimes you wanna pot there. You know, I'm not like that. I know that I'm supposed to shepherd like I'm it's a it's still a ministry, even with the 42,000 people I I have, but then sometimes you call like Unao Goba Juka like ni me or miss ni me ministre, you know, so it's like I just need God to help.

SPEAKER_03 31:05

I feel like it's um it's a call to us in a live every day, like you'll meet Jesus tomorrow. And when he asks you, What have you done with this? You know, I have done one, two, three, I've been faithful. Because for a very long time, myself included, I thought being faithful with what God has given you meant being faithful with your money, being faithful with you know the position he's given you. But I have learned and I'm continuing to learn that being faithful means every single thing. It means that when I know Kunam say, you know, this thing people say me sick wambia when you follow. Okay, especially in the era we are in where we have following, people have following, and people have you know big, big and and then they're they're like me. I didn't tell anyone to follow me, I didn't tell them to their kids to watch me, and you think you do not have a part to play, yeah, because you didn't ask for it. But the thing is, the Bible says to whomever much is given, much is expected. So that's where we are at. Like, we have to live life knowing this is not just for me, but not uh a show. Am I making sense? Like it's not for me, but you're also not trying to portray a perfect image. You're living life and showing people listen, I am trying my level best. Does it mean that I have attained the fullness? Because ideally, we can't attain the fullness because we're continually changed into his likeness until we behold him, right? Oh, name changes, okay.

SPEAKER_02 32:40

Talk about everything.

SPEAKER_03 32:41

So we are constantly being transformed, right? And being transformed mean uh it means you're constantly reading your Bible. Because the only way to be transformed, the Bible says, renew yourself in the spirit of your mind. So it's the mind that you're transforming, and it's by constantly reading the Bible, constantly asking God, okay, so what do you want me to know? You know, there's some things that are not written in the Bible, like okay, patana nam say a poince. Um akwombe do. And you're like, uh, I know Ulimpea Jana, mumpea leo, and so now you're wondering the Bible says we be generous, we should be generous. Should I still give him a third time and you know what they're going to do with our money? Probably going to buy drugs. What should you do? It's not written in the Bible, but your work with God will help you analyze the situation and know what to do. So it's constant, constantly renewing our mind and just accepting that we as long as we're in this earth, we won't attain the fullness, but that's what we are going after. We're going after being like Christ.

SPEAKER_01 33:42

Yeah, yeah. I have a question. Yeah. Um, Niliona Mm to Kassema that sometimes when you think about ministry, we only think about the pulpit and preaching and praise and worship. But every aspect of your life is a ministry, your marriage is a ministry ministry, your motherhood is a ministry. So, how do you um bring God into that, especially with the way you're raising your kids to know God? Because some of us to may figure out God to cure what 25. But yeah, people are figuring out God in their 30s and all. So, how are you bringing in that aspect into your children and into your marriage?

SPEAKER_03 34:22

First things first, don't be unequally yoked. That's that's yes, that's spoken about in the Bible. That's just Christian on one, don't be unequally yoked, especially for ladies. I feel like uh most ladies are born again, and like I said earlier, most Christian ladies want bad boys, and just because of that, they don't in the in the church, they don't date in the church, yeah. And we have this notion as ladies that I can change him, yeah. I'll pray for him, I'll be so good, I'll be praying for him every day, and I can change him. That's a lie. You cannot change anyone, yeah. You cannot only God has the power to transform.

SPEAKER_00 35:04

Just to cut you short. Maria prayer part.

SPEAKER_03 35:08

I know because man, you don't you know the way life hands you things. Yeah, so imagine you've gotten married, so there's things that will come that to to just strengthen your bond. So instead of you guys praying together, you you're constantly praying for your husband. So when will you get to a point where you're praying for these things together so that you can move forward? Yeah, it takes a whole lot of time. So, first things first, don't get unequally yoked. Like, I don't think that's said enough, and it's it's not even emphasized enough. It's very important date someone who's one same, because I mean the people who the ladies who get married, you're a Christian, you've gotten married to a Muslim, and you're thinking he'll convert, he'll convert because he's handsome, you know, we want hands, we want kids that are looking a certain way. Please, that's just a lot of work. Yeah, so that's the first thing, and then now as you when once you're there, you you are in the best place because I am a firm believer of uh old school marriage. I don't know if it's old school or in new school, it's reinvented, but the way God intended it for for you to be, the husband is the head. So if the husband is the head and you want your kids to know Jesus and your husband doesn't know Jesus, how how is that gonna work? So, first of all, just marry someone who's born again like you, okay, and then now let him lead you guys to how the Bible says Joshua was saying, as for me in my house, you know, that verse is one of those verses that you think we say constantly, yeah, especially as women, but it doesn't have as much power as when the husband says it because it says for me in my house we will serve the Lord, so he leads by example, and we all follow. We doesn't mean that he has to be perfect in everything, it means that there's some fundamentals, it's one-on-one. Yeah, in this house, we follow Christ, yeah, and just by making that declaration, you'll find yourself the things you're doing together influence your kids. Yeah, because kids do what they see you do, they see, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 37:20

They don't, they don't, they learn them to do what they are told, they do they do what they see. Yeah. Like it doesn't add up.

SPEAKER_03 37:33

So that was my life. My dad was a heavy smoker and also used to drink. And he'd tell you, smoking is really bad. So one day I asked him, if smoking is so bad, why do you do it? Why can't you stop? So you just stop, and he said, I can stop alcohol, but I can't stop smoking. And I was like, Okay, and I kid you not, at that time I was very young, I think I was in class six. I decided I will not date someone who smokes or drinks when at that age. Yeah, someone who smokes or drinks, that's enough for me. You are standard, standard because of boundaries. I knew I had seen my dad come home drunk, I didn't like it. And my queue, I didn't I only used to go visit him during the holiday. So I used to live with my grandmother because my grandmother lives um Ushago Kwetu ni Saiti. So Sinotilkotao, and then my mom was in Kyambu, so Kyambu felt like Ushago. So I used to go visit them during the holiday. So I'm like, I'm only here with you for like a month, and every night you come, you're drunk, we can't even have a conversation. I didn't want that for myself. I was like, this cannot be the way to live.

SPEAKER_01 38:47

Oh wow, wow you know you may feel come on learning segment. I was gonna come out to go class.

SPEAKER_00 38:53

But you see, every time I tell you Anna and George, I'm always just like, oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 38:58

Now I'm thinking, if the wife is this knowledgeable, what about the husband? George.

SPEAKER_00 39:02

I mean, I always tell you, I always tell you if you sit with George. There's a day he was telling me, like, we're discussing husbands. Okay. He was telling me, like, we're talking about the devil with him. I think it was during the funeral we were with him. And then he was telling me, imagine I went, I I entered the place, I was like, Where's George? Oh, there you go. I and he was telling me about how to know and you know, like how the the devil, because the further and further you get away from God, the worse you become, you know. So we can imagine, like, how how long has he been away from God? So he was basically explaining to me how the devil is so bad, guys. You don't know, you don't know because the more you step away from God, the the worse you become. But he did encourage me at the end. He told me, like, I think it's in Isaiah, we even read that verse with him. He was telling me, like, um, he opened the Bible for me, is during the last days to Tona Shaitani, and he will be so finished because the more you did go away from God, so you were saying to Tangalia Shetani, and we'll be like, When do you go kitus to you? You it was you, I know you look so famished, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 40:09

Because it's it's it's the same concept of when someone was born again and then you know how you don't know, they don't outrightly say I've stopped this salvation work. Yeah, you just start to notice kidogo kidogo. I couldn't have some behaviors, and before you notice the behavior, you notice it on their face. There's no glow. You know, have you you've been seeing this thing that's oh, this is not Jesus glow, this is not it's because it's true the farther and further away you get from God, there's no glow. Kabisa Kabisa Una Pataga I'm bona squeezy. What's going on? I I can't tell. Are you okay? You want to ask them if they are sick, but then you're like they're not gonna put a finger on it. They're just there, they have nothing. They can and I kid you not, once the glow is gone, you will notice people they outdress themselves, they're like they're constantly trying to look so good to get the attention from their face to what they're wearing. Why? Because oh, you look nice. They're thinking, ah, some kunam say announce, but this is gone, and this is it's God given. Neil, have you seen someone who's who's going through something? Yeah, and when they tell you what they're going through, you look at them and be like, ah, you can't. Because you're looking at their face and you're thinking that does not look like your problems, yeah. It's because it's the glory of God.

SPEAKER_01 41:37

The Jesus glow. And that is the one girl I have seen that Jesus glow in. Like, you know what I'm saying? But for her, I don't know how to explain it. It's like there's a light shining from behind her. I don't know, and it's just a normal picture, but like, wow, and we're not even friends like that. But I look at her and I'm like, I see Jesus in you, and I can't even explain it.

SPEAKER_00 42:01

Yeah, we were to discuss church chat and church giving, and we've ended up having a whole sermon, which is okay, it's great. We are learning about Jesus anyway. But I have a question what advice would you give to a young girl who wants to get married or feels like marriage is their only option, and they just want to be married. Before you answer that, what age did you get married at 23? 23, George, George, you defuse the person who continues to be. Jokes 23.

SPEAKER_03 42:38

And I feel like but no, I I always say that and then I say this, no pressure. Like my life, if I tell you the story behind, then you'll be like, yeah. Personally, I had said that if I get 25 and I'm not married, I will stop everything, and then now the focus becomes getting married. So I like you know those things you say stupidly without even thinking, but I'd said that, and I was living by it clearly. And so when I met George, I was I also started dating at 20. I didn't start dating early. So as I had told God I don't want to date for so long. Yeah, and because I don't want to get her broken and so many things going on.

SPEAKER_00 43:18

How long did you date George before you got married?

SPEAKER_03 43:20

Uh, one and a half years.

SPEAKER_00 43:22

So, like, but when did you decide I I think I'm marrying after how long?

SPEAKER_03 43:27

Um, he he proposed, I think, on let me see. He proposed well, we're one year down, around eight months. Eight months, right? Yes.

SPEAKER_01 43:38

Eight months into dating. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 43:40

Why he ex he he really did know what he wanted, so and it was me.

SPEAKER_01 43:47

Exactly, exactly. It was you.

SPEAKER_03 43:50

Yeah, so and I feel like um so a young lady who wants to get married, and they feel like that's the only option, their way out from the situation they're in. Men um don't don't focus, don't zero in on that. Because the thing is the enemy is has the advantage of time, which you do not have, like he's been there for so long. And if you are obsessing about getting married, someone will come. Might not be the right person, but someone will come. And I feel like the best thing to do, because when I met George, I was not thinking about marriage. I actually had gotten out of a bad relationship, and I didn't want to do anything, I didn't want anything to do with relationships. Like, think about this. I waited until I'm 20 to start dating, and then the first guy I date just ruins it for me. So I'm like, maybe I'm not cut out for this, you know. And then there's also a backstory of at some point when I was younger, I thought I just wanted to have a kid but not get married. So now this first relationship has ruined marriage for me. So now I'm thinking, uh yeah, definitely get a kid and live life, be a single mom. That was just rooted in a very dark, dark story for another day. And so I was busy serving God, just seeking God. I was not, He found me. If he tells you a story of when he saw me, I was leading worship. Like we had seen each other in church, hi, hi, you know. But when he saw me, like you know how much of a somebody would be like I was I was leading worship, I was busy doing my thing, so don't obsess over getting married. Uh, do that which the Lord has you doing at this time and just pray, ask God, like tell God what are your non-negotiable. I I hope that non-negotiable is they're born again. That should not be. Yeah, it's not oh, I want a good person who maybe doesn't drink or no no no no no. Non-negotiables should always be, especially if you're born again, is they need to be born again and have submitted to God, and then just keep serving. Keep as you wait, do that which God has you doing at this time. Don't focus on zero in on dating. And when someone asks you out, go out.

SPEAKER_01 46:16

Ruth, when someone asks you out, go out. Yeah, the right person. The right person.

SPEAKER_03 46:23

Yeah, and then don't view marriage as an escape. Because if you view marriage as an escape, you'll have a very big problem because once you get married, especially as a lady, oh man, so much changes. I can no longer go out the way I want to go out. Just wake up in the morning and decide learning and end up place for learning. No, have someone who actually cares about me that I need to tell I'm actually going, then they tell me I don't think that's a good idea. You know, we view it as asking for permission. Okay, and for a very long time I did view it as asking for permission, especially. Um, oh, we are in our 11th year of marriage. My goodness, long time. Yeah, okay. 11th. For the first few years of I thought, man, we are both grown-ups. Why am I asking you for permission? But I have grown and I'm learning, it's not, is that one atta kun nyambia mina jam.

SPEAKER_02 47:19

Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 47:19

So I'm like, it's the same thing. The difference is yeah, na jam before, mina jam after. Like, yeah, mina jam after me rude. So, like, if you want, if you're thinking marriage is an escape, then you are viewing it wrong because it's a relationship, and in a relationship, you guys, like you have to talk about those things. I want to go out. I feel like I'm having to ask for permission. I've been asking for mention from parents the whole my whole life. Now I'm asking you if I want to go somewhere. No, it's listen, this person cares about you. Yeah, they love you, they want to be part of your life. You want to go out, go out with me. You want to go out with your friend? Let me know.

SPEAKER_02 47:59

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 48:00

It's not like I've I've I'm learning as we go on, you know. So you learn as you go. So it's uh the person loves you, you're not asking for permission, you're communicating. They tell you this is why I think we should not do this. I'm you shouldn't go, and this is why I think we should go. Maybe next time, can you go with me? So don't view marriage as an escape. Just know it is a relationship you're getting into with someone.

SPEAKER_01 48:28

Ruth and a stoker. Ruth is clearly flabbergasted.

SPEAKER_00 48:32

Because um imagine if there's one thing that I'm scared of relationships. I fear it so much. Like my I was talking to my therapist and I was telling her, she was telling me like Ruth, so you'll work hard in business, you'll work hard in your relationship with God, but I've drawn the line, boundary, I have put a wall, yeah. But you want marriage, but you want marriage, she does, yes, but I'm scared because now go panga, which is I'll discuss you. But I'm always if I see someone staring at me, don't talk about it.

SPEAKER_03 49:02

Hey, scale, illest of do it scared. That's for business No, it's for life, but I honestly um one of the prayers I I I and I think I've told you this, I pray for you is I hope you meet the right person. Because once you meet the right person, fear dispers because love dispels fear. Love dispels fear, it does, and once you meet the right person, because it's I feel like the problem is we think we have to have a perfect relationship from the onset. If George and I tell you about our bad miscommunication here and there, our issues, you'll be like, huh. But we are devoted to knowing. We figured out earlier on that we are married, there's no way we're going. Like George and I, one of the things I think that God allowed us to know early is we've gotten married, and it's for life. This is my life partner. I am not gonna get married again. Why? Because we're gonna live a long life, my friend. Until we are 90 and 80, there's no way we're going.

SPEAKER_01 50:14

Yeah, yeah. So it's just poly polito. No liquor class. No episode class. This is church hat. I'm so sorry.

SPEAKER_00 50:25

Hannah as we are closing off, yes, could you tell us about your business, their phone number, where to get you on Instagram or TikTok and your phone and everything? What to sell, all that?

SPEAKER_03 50:36

I am the CEO. I mean, it feels nice to say that.

SPEAKER_02 50:40

CEO Chef Chief Chef Chief of Greens Royal Bakes.

SPEAKER_03 50:47

Uh, it's a company that we deal with making granola, so breakfast cereal, and also selling nuts. So currently we have different types of granola. We have the regular, we have the fruity, we have the one with chocolates. My friend, chocolate. And then we have roasted nuts coated with honey and sesame seeds. And you can find us on our page Glint Royal Bakes on Instagram and on TikTok. And the number to order, I see the number? Yes, yes, yes, we'll put it on the description. The number to order 0708 297518. Something else that I am doing is some God spoke to me sometime last year to just gather ladies and we pray. We just bask in the presence of God. Nothing, no structure, at least up until he says otherwise. And we meet every fourth Saturday of the month in Kikuyu. So if you're interested, just DM me and you're welcome. We don't have like uh oh, this should come or this should not come. No, no, no, no. It's open for ladies and we just meet and pray and just love on each other.

SPEAKER_00 51:58

Where and where in Kikuyu?

SPEAKER_03 52:00

Uh currently we are at the House of Prayer. We meet at the House of Prayer in Kikuyu Nairy Road. That's Nairy Road, yes. But when you're in Kikuyu House of Prayer, it's a prayer center, so it's visible in Google Maps every fourth Saturday, every fourth Saturday of the month. Okay, from what uh we do from seven, at least from seven to morning, because we do overnight. Oh yeah, so it's an overnight, it's like a it's like a staycation just with Jesus. That's nice, yeah. Yeah, so you are welcome. Can you start to wombe and to just love on each other and pray for each other and hopefully sing a few songs, but yes, okay.

SPEAKER_00 52:45

Thank you so much, Hannah, for that episode. I've really learned a lot, especially in terms of God, and I've been convicted during the entire episode, by the way. I need to go pray. Uh, two, I've learned so much about like God and everything, and I've learned a lot about the marriage, the marriage, and yeah, I'm really so happy. Thank you for coming. We really appreciate you, and thank you guys for watching so much. Really appreciate everything that you've been doing for us. The subscribing, the liking, the sharing, and even the messages and the DMs you've been sending. We are really grateful. Continue to help us in all that we do, and thank you for watching this episode. Bye.