Is Healing for today? How to see miracles, signs & wonders Daily - with Markus Kirwald

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Episode Title: Is Healing for Today? How to See Miracles, Signs & Wonders Daily
Featuring special guest: Markus Kirwald

Is healing still happening today… or is it just something we read about? 👀

In this faith-stirring episode, Markus Kirwald joins your host Lucky to explore the reality of healing, miracles, signs, and wonders in everyday life. Together, they break down what it looks like to walk in bold faith, step out with expectation, and partner with God to see the supernatural move—right here, right now.

Get ready for eye-opening insights, real stories, and a conversation that will challenge you to raise your level of belief and step into what God is still doing today.

⚡ What you’ll take away:
• A fresh perspective on healing in today’s world
• How faith and action work together
• Practical ways to grow in expectation for miracles
• Encouragement to step out boldly and trust God

If you’ve ever wondered, “Can I really see God move like that?” —this episode might just shift your answer.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:35

Hi there. Welcome back to the Everything Kingdom podcast. As always, it's me, your host Lucky. And I'm back in the studio with my very beautiful, amazing friend, a special guest for you today. His name is Marcus. Marcus, I would like to welcome you to our guests. But this is what I've come to know about you. You are an entrepreneur, you are a businessman, you are an intercessor, an apostolic leader, and you lead a healing movement here in New York City. And without any further ado, I'd allow for you to actually introduce yourself to our guests and our listeners.

SPEAKER_01 1:10

Hi, Lucky. Thanks for having me. It's such an honor to be here. Well, my name is Marcus Kirnel, born and raised in Germany. The Lord brought me over 18 years ago. Long story, different recording, whatever. Yeah, I'm an entrepreneur. Used to be in textile for 29 years. The Lord called me out, and then I started my own business together with my wife, who I met in Redding, California. And so we have a catering coffee specialty business. We go out, bring the kingdom into the marketplace. We have uh healing rooms here in New York City, the Ark Healing Room. That's something the Lord put on my heart 15 years ago, and we've doing it ever since. And it's just amazing what the Lord has been doing and is doing, not only in the Ark Healing Rooms, but also through the business in the marketplace.

SPEAKER_02 2:00

That's amazing, Marcus. And uh you're not just uh a person that I know, but you're a very close friend, but as well, you're my boss in so many ways. Uh, I love seeing all the stories and the testimonies of what you got, you and your wife that you have and carry around. You carry joy in so many places. Every place that I've worked with you, you're always praying for the place. You're always like interceding, you're speaking in tongues in there. But I wanted to introduce the topic that we'll talk about today. It is the topic of miracles, signs, and wonders. That includes healing, that includes casting out demons, deliverance. You name a few. Are they for today? That is the topic that we're going to talk about today. But before that, I would love us as a culture that I've seen you guys do at the arc healing rooms in our house, what we do for church, in my lifestyle as well, uh, to do communion. Would that be wonderful? Of course. I'm just gonna like do it this real quick and say, Jesus, we thank you for your precious, precious body. Thank you for the opportunity to fellowship with you, God, and uh for our listeners out there. We're taking this, your broken body, not just on our own behalf, but on behalf of those that are listening as well. That you would meet them in every area, and we declare that by your stripes we were healed.

SPEAKER_04 3:17

We may take the body. Yeah, Lord, thank you for your blood that you poured out.

SPEAKER_02 3:27

Thank you that in this is the salvation to all nations. And we declare this, and we declare that as for me and my house, Lord, we will serve you. We speak this over every single person listening. Let it be for them as well. And we declare that as for them and their household, they will serve the Lord. Ah, I love this. We might as well go home. But I I love to start with community because it was something that the Lord told us, and uh as well, like it's a lifestyle, not something we do just here for the show, but it's a lifestyle. Marcus, you talked about the art killing rooms that you study, you and your wife, and uh how you bring heaven on earth in the marketplace, you the glory of God and how you pray into places. How did your journey with the Lord, first of all, begin before you get to do all the things that you do for the kingdom? How did your journey begin with the Lord?

SPEAKER_01 4:27

Well, I became a Christian back in Germany many months ago. Uh I was going to church, obviously. I knew he is good, he's faithful and so on. I've seen a little bit here and there in regard of prophetic and the hearing and so on, but never knew that we're called, that we are all called to lay the hands on the sick and so on and prophesy and so on, until the Lord opened the door for me to come to America. I was supernaturally. And so I obeyed, I left everything behind in Germany, started a new life here. For two and a half years, I literally worked my butt off, because I'm just a doer. And then I complained to the Lord and was like, I went to churches, three different churches during the week and on Sundays, but I was never really plugged in anywhere. And then I complained and said, Lord, I don't know anybody, I don't have a community here. So all he said, get yourself plugged in. Which I did. So I started going to church, started volunteering, and that's where I met people. Then I went to a men's prayer meeting, and then we had speakers there from Basel, and they talked about the supernatural healings and so on. I'm like, huh, it's kind of cool. And then one guy came once and shared when he was with his son uh on a trip and they prayed for people and they've seen the healings left, right, and center. And I was like, I want that. So I walked up to him and said, Hey, can you pray for me? He said, Give me your hands. So I stretched out my hands, he looked at me, he said, You have it, go and do it. He didn't even pray for me. I'm like, thanks for nothing. So, but I literally struggled a little bit because I was like, okay, how do you do this? Because I never had training or anything like how you do it. You read in the Bible and that's it. I had two healings on my own body, so I know it's actually legit, it's real. He still does heal. But again, I had no idea how to do it until I had my first miracle, or I saw my first miracle where I was like, whoa, the way the Lord used me there, it was just like off the chart. And it blew me away, and then I was like, I want more of that. Wow. It's like in the natural, the more you eat, the less hungry you are, and this in the supernatural or in the spiritual realm, the more you eat, the more hungry you get. You see a miracle, you want another one, you want another one, you want another one. You want to see people just being set free, healed, and delivered.

SPEAKER_02 6:51

Wow. Wow, I love that so much. In the natural, when you eat, you're satisfied. Yeah. In the kingdom, the more you eat, the more hungry you become. Exactly. I I I just beautiful. That's well way put. So then you continue to see more miracles because you are just hungry for more the more you ate, the more you saw more miracles.

SPEAKER_01 7:13

Because we go from glory to glory.

SPEAKER_02 7:14

So, how was your first miracle? Tell us about like your first experience with you laying hands on the sick or you praying for someone and they get healed.

SPEAKER_01 7:22

So I've been exposed a little bit, I've seen other people praying for healings and so on, and then one day, I remember 17 years ago or so, I was in California, uh, was invited to a leader's retreat in Upper Valley from a very wealthy business guy. And it was about 30 people of us, and it was literally in the middle of nowhere. There was no cell phone reception or nothing. Pitch dark outside. We were in a house, and Friday night we had an opening session and so on, and then on the way home, a lady who was there, she literally missed a step, cracked her ankle, and literally showed up in a crotch the next morning. And I saw her and I saw how much pain she has in her face. I mean, she was like sweating, she was the whole solid day, she was sitting in the back, uh, her foot up, ice cubes on it, and so on, and I was like, man, maybe I should be praying for her. Again, I had no crib. Didn't do it because I chickened out. I was like, what if nothing happens, right? Sunday morning came along, and we had a little service, worship music, and so on, and then everybody was dismissed. And then it I was like, well, if I don't pray for her, I will never know whether or not she would have gotten healed. Wow. So I stepped out of my comfort zone, walked up to her, and I said, Excuse me, do you mind if I pray for you? And she looked at me like, almost like saying, What took you so long? So she said, Yes. So I went on my knee, didn't know any better, put my hand on your ankle, and then a few people were left there, and they literally gathered around me and I lost it. I'm like, oh my god, what if nothing happens? I'm gonna make a fool out of myself. Oh my gosh, wow. So laid my hand on, said a quick prayer. That's the the one thing I knew. Quick prayers. Yeah. Put my hand on, prayed, and I wanted to get up and run out for the home like being happy that I did it. And she said, Oh my god, it feels already better. And something came upon me, and I knew the Lord is not done yet. So I went down on my knees again and like, He's not done yet. I prayed a second time. The lady looked at me like, What did you just do? She walked up and walked around as if nothing happened.

SPEAKER_02 9:33

You're joking.

SPEAKER_01 9:34

Few weeks later, the same company literally had a big conference, and uh I was in the lobby with a few people, I believe I even prayed for somebody there, and opened the door from the venue in the back, and I saw that lady on stage. I had no idea. And the first thing she said, Oh, and this is the gentleman who prayed for me. So she shared her testimony while I was in the lobby, and the only thing I heard, she was like, after that retreat, she went to a chiropractor. They took an x-ray, and the guy was like, It's impossible that you walk the way you do, but obviously you do it. So it was a total miracle that that woman got healed, no surgery necessary, no nothing. I was like, wow, that's actually easier than I thought. But the same weekend, on Saturday during a break, the the owner's daughter, she was there. I walked up to her, introduced myself, and somehow she started talking about asthma. And I said, Huh, can I pray for you? You know, like little child. She said, sure. I prayed for your asthma. Obviously, on asthma, you don't know whether or not she got healed. In the evening, she came toward me, she had a big smile on her face, and she said, Morgan, you're not gonna believe this. I'm like, what? She said, My asthma is gone. I'm like, how do you know? She said, every hour I normally have to use my inhaler and I haven't used it. And a few years later I saw her and it was still gone.

SPEAKER_02 10:55

For how long has she had it for?

SPEAKER_01 10:56

Since she was born, literally. She had it for I don't know how many years. Wow. And it was just gone. I'm like, wow. So this was my first two miracles when I prayed the first time for somebody.

SPEAKER_02 11:07

And at the time you were still an amateur, you were no like no training. No training or nothing. Are you trying to tell us that actually anyone can say yes to pray for someone and they get to see healing?

SPEAKER_01 11:18

Yes. The short of the long you say yes, because it says in the Bible, go heal the sick. Right? He didn't say go to this school, do that study, do this and this, and then when you're ready, then you do it.

SPEAKER_00 11:32

Once we receive the Holy Spirit, then we're commissioned to go heal the sick, cleanse the laboratory raise the dead, and cast out demons. The simplicity of the gospel.

SPEAKER_02 11:43

I know these things, but every single time when it comes out from someone else, my whole job, my whole like heart is just like, I just read that. And I read that. And then I get to hear someone experiencing that and like actually like they live that. I think yesterday or this morning as well, I read, I was in Matthew, and I was in Matthew 10. I'm reading around verse 7 and I say, Go preach that the kingdom of heaven is within reach, it's at hand.

SPEAKER_04 12:10

Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, and cast out demons. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 12:18

A mandate like you're saying that Jesus gave the mandate to every single believer that this is your mandate, go heal the sick. He didn't say that for a chosen few, go heal the sick. Exactly. He's saying everyone, go heal the sick.

SPEAKER_01 12:32

Exactly. Back in Germany, that only the pastors, the elders, and some privileged people who get paid for at church, those are the ones who pray for the sick and so on and prophesy. That's how I grew up, literally. Until I came to America with a like chart robbing experience, I'm like, oh my God, we are all called to lay the hands on the sick.

SPEAKER_02 12:53

This is that is so kingdom. It is. The reason I say that in heaven, there are no sick people in heaven. There's no one tormented in heaven. There's no anxiety in heaven. We know that is to be true, but there's someone else who's out there who's in the same space you were in before. They've never seen anyone healed, they've never prayed for anyone to be healed. And when we say on earth, according to the Lord's Prayer, in Matthew 5, I think it's Matthew 6, and the mandate is on earth as it is in heaven, is for you to like, let me make sure that I make myself available to extend my hands and my prayers where this person they may experience was already out there.

SPEAKER_01 13:40

It is, it is, because again it's a commission. In James it says, be the doer of the world, not the mere hero.

SPEAKER_00 13:49

So once you read this, you're like, huh, maybe I should act on what I'm reading, right? Heal the sick, and so on.

SPEAKER_01 13:58

If we don't do it, who else will do it? Right? It would be a better place we're living in if everybody would do what we are called to do. There would be like crime rate would be down, because there would be more Christian, there wouldn't be as many sick people, demon-possessed people and so on. We have the solution for all those problems. We as a church. But we have to utilize it.

SPEAKER_00 14:21

We have to do what we're called to do. And we're not doing the best job in it.

SPEAKER_02 14:26

We both know that no human being can heal the sick. Why would Jesus command us to heal somebody when he knows it's not within our ability to heal the sick?

SPEAKER_01 14:39

That's why he left literally, that's why he went to the cross, right? And then he sent the Holy Spirit as the helper. So and the halber lives within us. Otherwise, if he would be alone, you know, when he taught the disciples, there was nobody else around, right? He was the only one until a certain point, until he literally activated him, uh, to go and literally heal the signal. There are not enough hours in the day for him to go around, do it. So but it's like the multiplication, now multiplication, now you activate, now you equip and so on. The body. The body is literally like the all, we create the church. And then if we go out, that's how we make disciples of all nations. It's the multiplication. It's it's really like the easiest thing ever. If I share with one person the gospel, lead them to an encounter with the Lord, that person goes out, and so on. That's a multiplication that can't be stopped anymore. But if I only do one person at a time for the rest of my lives, there might be a few people being saved. And then that's not what God wants us to do. He wants all people to go out and make disciples of all nations. So that's the commission is there yet again.

SPEAKER_02 15:51

I feel like scriptures you go to when it comes to like one, to anchor your faith and like make you help you, encourage you, and lift you up for when it comes to healing people and praying for the sick.

SPEAKER_01 16:01

Oh, yeah, sure. I mean, like Matthew does itself, or obviously people getting raised from the death. Those things, or listening to podcasts or hearing people's story when they pray for somebody. I live off testimonies. I always say, do it again, Lord. Wow. Do it again. I've also invited to things where I share testimonies and people getting healed just hearing the testimony. That's why I'm always telling people, encourage people, share your testimony, no matter what it is, whether it's a financial breakthrough, whether it's a rational thing, share it with the people around you. You never know who needs to hear your testimony. Because there might be people sitting on a table next and like overhearing the conversation and receives it and experience a breakthrough, you may never hear of it, and that's all cool. But if we keep it for ourselves, we're literally like isolating us from ourselves from the world. So, and if somebody gets wasted over the weekend, uh, you know, hung over and what have you, they have no problem sharing that. But if we are seeing somebody getting healed, we're very shy about it. That's not cool. So if I see somebody encountering the law, I want the world to know that. Wow. That they're like, oh my god, because you know when you have those people individually, they're very vulnerable. If they're in a group setting, they're like cool, and everything is cool, I have no problems. But it's not, if you look at those people, you can read them sometimes like, oh my god, can we talk kind of thing? And literally, hey, how are you? And how are you really? And then they start praying down and start crying and so on because they just can't handle it anymore. And again, we have the solution for those things.

SPEAKER_02 17:41

Have we created a culture we as a church or we as a people, where because something is not scientifically provable, then people are uncomfortable sharing the stories of the testament, what they've seen God do because they are going to be challenged to prove it, and there's no way you can prove the supernatural. Is that something that we've consciously like created around us? How come we are uncomfortable talking about the things God has done and we are comfortable talking about anything else?

SPEAKER_01 18:08

It's almost like being embarrassed or ashamed what God is doing. I'm like, again, like, why would we not share of the goodness of God? We should never hold back on those things. Again, if something bad happens, that's the first thing. It's like the news. They don't sell good news. They only sell the bad news, right? So we have the opposite. That's why why not sharing if somebody experienced a breakthrough, a financial breakthrough? Again, there's so many testimonies we need to share, but we don't do it. So it's it's almost like we have to hear somebody talk about it. Then all of a sudden, oh, if he, if she can do it, I can do it too. I have something to share too. Everybody's waiting for somebody to start. Wow. That's why I'm like, okay. Chuck Perry said once he made himself long enough a fool of himself. Now he wants to make a fool of himself uh uh a fool out of himself for Jesus. And that means maybe people laugh at you when you share a testimony. I don't care. They don't laugh about me, they love about Jesus, and they have to literally hold accountable or being accountable for what they've done or left on them. So I'm like, and again, if there are 15 people and one person hears the testimony is encouraged and comes up later on or finds a church and literally encounters what we were sharing about, that's what's worth it. Why not? We never we may never know. There are probably so many stories out there where if we know somebody overheard, we would be like, oh my god, I want to do it more and more and more and more. I want those almost invisible people to hear what I'm saying or the conversations they're out there. Not talking about football, baseball. And I'm like, hey, did you hear that, did you see that, and so on.

SPEAKER_02 19:52

I remember the Lord had to deliver me from this. It is because I believe that if I share the testimony that I'm taking God's glory, that, you know, it's just like I believe they lie that actually like I'm not supposed to talk about it. Like again, you say the shame, the fear, the lies from the enemy. And the Lord actually had to talk to me, even through some friends that I knew that to actually, when you don't tell people what God has done, you are actually robbing him of the glory he should receive as you share these stories. So the the testimonies are so powerful. I remember the first time, um, not the first time, but like I remember when I received the $500 donation for my mission trip, I shared a story because someone prophesied over me that uh someone's gonna give me $500, and still someone gave me and I said to the Lord, I would love it not just be $500. I need like three times that money because I had a payment to make. And it came in three phases like that. And I shared a testimony, and another person received like $500, and another person, we got we had like a week of like over six, seven people receiving five hundred dollars out of a testimony that I shared. I'm wondering, are there stories where you've seen the testimony shared in the arc healing rooms? Someone got healed and then they get to share the testimony, and all of a sudden another person gets to be healed out of the same kind of testimony.

SPEAKER_01 21:24

Funny enough that you said that, because I was in the same uh position when I literally started praying for the signal and I've seen healing left, right, and center. I all of a sudden believed a lie where like I'm praying about myself. And then for almost a half a year I didn't share a single testimony. Wow. I felt so bad, like, oh my god, I don't want to put myself on a pedestal. And then the Lord spoke so clearly to me, he said, Marcus, if you don't share the testimonies, you give the devil credit.

SPEAKER_02 21:51

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 21:52

I'm like, wow. Wow. That hit me like a prick. And then I started sharing testimony again. And I'm like, you know, I'd rather get judged for something else. Have done than something for something I should have done.

SPEAKER_04 22:03

Wow. Wow.

SPEAKER_01 22:04

Right? If people like, oh, it's more jealousy. If they judge you for you just um healed somebody, that's their problem. It's not my problem anymore. Wow. But again, it's often seeds. And it's almost like when people see the light, they're like, oh, a little bit annoyed, and they want to like cover their eyes and so on. And that's who we are. They hear something they can't really take. So they're annoyed about it. It's almost like a spirit still something like, why did he just say that and so on? So it's in a way it's a good sign when people react accordingly. Like, okay, you just heard something you can't unhear anymore. And the Lord's gonna breathe on those words. So, I mean, yeah, testimony. Again, obviously, you only hear it to a point, but I took in the beginning testimonies from somebody else because I had my own testimonies. I just heard, I heard, I heard, I shared those testimonies, and those people may have shared their testimony also because they never prayed for anybody. Then eventually, obviously, I shared my own testimonies, and then people took my testimonies and shared with somebody else. And again, a couple of times it happens really, and I was in meetings and people heard the testimony and they got healed of something completely different. Not even of what I shared, just they're like, oh my God, I'll take the testimony for whatever I go through. Yeah. And they experience the breakthrough or the healing.

SPEAKER_02 23:22

Is it possible that we think the work that God does in us belongs to us as opposed to like, no, actually, that's the testimony of Jesus. It's not just yours, it's God's own testimony through you. Yeah. And that means it's not for you to withhold.

SPEAKER_01 23:38

Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 23:38

It's for you to give, just like you've freely been given, you freely give it.

SPEAKER_01 23:42

Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 23:43

And we've thought that, oh, this is mine for me to keep. And I think the Lord is saying to you, actually, no. The uh Galatians 2.20, that I no longer it's no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me. Exactly. It's that kind of like a lay-down lifestyle where you're like, no, anything in me is not for me to keep, it's for the Lord to use as he pleases. Exactly. And testimonies are part of that. The revelation story of uh Revelation 19.10, like the testimony of Jesus is a spirit of prophecy. Exactly. Saying that actually whatever you share about what God has done is prophesying to another person of what he can do next and what he's about to do next. Is the spirit of prophecy.

SPEAKER_01 24:23

Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 24:23

Let me ask this question, Marcus. Is healing for today?

SPEAKER_00 24:27

Of course.

SPEAKER_02 24:28

What makes you say that?

SPEAKER_01 24:29

It says Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forever. So it wasn't just for 2000 years ago. So forever means from today on, every day moving forward. And it says in the Bible, again, heal the sick, right? It wasn't just like until 2021. It says go heal the sick. It says this clearly. So we question way too many things what's in the Bible. There's so many things out in the world we do without questioning. And then we up end up doing things we're like, oh, I shouldn't have done that. The Bible, which is literally our our all we need, literally the the the living word. We question everything that's in it instead of just doing it and then experiencing what he's actually saying, what they have been doing, and what we're again I keep myself repeating myself, what we are commissioned to do. So instead of just doing it.

SPEAKER_02 25:37

What would you say to someone who has never prayed for the sick but they are believers?

SPEAKER_04 25:44

People will miss out if you don't pray for somebody.

SPEAKER_01 25:48

Because I had obviously many situations where I chickened out where I didn't pray, and then I felt so bad afterwards, like, oh my god, that person may have missed out on his healing, his or her healing, because I didn't want uh do what I was called to do. And I knew I should be calling, but then I felt often c comf comfort from the Lord, like don't worry, I take care of her of him. Maybe through somebody else. But it's really like Jesus had compassion with all those people. So if I see people through not my own eyes, I probably will skip a lot of people. Yeah. But if I see him through his eyes, you just want that person to be, well, set free to whatever, get out of the miserable situations they're sometimes in. And that's the one thing you do is just like pray for the person.

SPEAKER_02 26:40

So compassion is key. To what you're saying, Jesus felt compassion for those that were around him, that were demon-possessed, that need healing. And out of that compassion, he healed them. And you're saying the same here that actually lives are at stake if believers don't move into a place of compassion to actually go out out of their way to pray and believe for God to turn the situations around for those people. And from that place is where it's like a birthplace for miracles to happen.

SPEAKER_04 27:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:14

What else is needed for someone to see healings or for someone to be healed? Are there what are some of the elements that you know they're like, hey, this is what I know in some ways?

SPEAKER_01 27:24

Shortest answer, pray and believe.

SPEAKER_02 27:27

Simple as.

SPEAKER_01 27:28

That's what's written in the Bible.

SPEAKER_00 27:31

Step over the chin line and like, don't worry.

SPEAKER_01 27:35

Don't worry about a thing. We often think right away, oh what do I have to what words do I have to use? It has to sound eloquent, right? Uh how long do I pray? What if nothing happens? What if it's not the person's time and so on? It's all those questions. Again, we spend more time on what if not you talk yourself out because you're afraid that nothing happens because you don't have faith than just doing it. Childlike faith. Right? Some kiddos, they don't even know how to read yet. They lay their hands on the sick and they get well. Right? Because they don't lean on their own understanding. We know too much. Wow.

SPEAKER_00 28:17

It's just like doing it. What? Heal the sick, lay the hand on Jesus, heal that person. Boom.

SPEAKER_01 28:26

It's not the length of our prayers or the words we're using, it's the faith behind it. I was once Chuck Perry was in town, he brought a couple of volunteers with him, and we went. I got a call from the Martin and said, Marcus, could you guys go to a hospital? A friend of mine, she's there, she had a neck braced, she couldn't sit upright anymore. I don't remember what she had. I'm like, sure, yeah, we'll we'll go. Never met that woman. So we got into the uh hospital room. There she was like laying there flat, she could barely move the head and so on. And then Chuck was like, let's just laugh. Like, what? Just laugh. So for 15-20 minutes we just laughed.

SPEAKER_02 29:09

In the hospital.

SPEAKER_01 29:09

In the hospital room. I mean the nurses, the doctor they walked by, they probably were like, they're nuts. 15-20 minutes later, that lady was sitting in her bed and was turning her head. I was like, what the it's unbelievable.

SPEAKER_02 29:24

Okay, now you're scaring me. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 29:27

That really shows it's not a long, long, long prayer. I don't remember, it may have been Bill Jones and said, the longer we pray, the more we doubt that he's going doing something.

SPEAKER_04 29:40

Wow. Right? Wow.

SPEAKER_01 29:41

I've been there, done that, and I still sometimes pray way too long. I had a few times situations where I felt the Lord staying next to me. I say, let me know when you're done, I'm done. Kind of thing. I'm like, all right, yes, really. Jesus, heal that person. I don't have to tell them how to heal, what to heal, and what have you. Because I feel often like, you know, if somebody has some issues and a body, whatever it is. I don't know what it is, obviously. I can't know. If I would have to tell the Lord, hey, can you fix this, do this, do that, and so on, and I miss out on something, the person doesn't get fully healed. So the Lord is like, let me do what only I can do.

SPEAKER_04 30:23

Just believe that I'm gonna do it. Like Jesus, be held. The best example is in the Bible.

SPEAKER_01 30:32

The lame guy, get up, take your math and walk. I mean you can't get any shorter than that. That's a command. It didn't really matter whether there was a muscle missing or whatever it is, the Lord just said, go up and walk. Right?

SPEAKER_00 30:49

All those beautiful testimonies to wait Jesus healed, very, very simple. To Lazarus, he said, Come out.

SPEAKER_02 30:58

Come out, right? Come out of the grave. Stand up and walk.

SPEAKER_01 31:02

Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 31:02

Your faith has healed you.

SPEAKER_01 31:04

And what do we do? We keep it long, long prayer that people almost fall asleep and no faith behind it.

SPEAKER_00 31:14

But if we pray, like Lord, you called me to heal the sick. Here we go. Not to, but only you can do.

SPEAKER_02 31:23

It is as though we are thinking that we have more compassion for the people than the Lord has more compassion for them. We are trusting in our own care towards the individuals that we are praying for. Yet the Lord has just commanded this thing to go out and just be killing over them, and that's it. Simple as. And I wanted to ask you this question. Have we been taught not the right way? What causes that, in your opinion?

SPEAKER_01 31:51

It's almost like we've been taught too much, or obviously not enough to start with. Not everybody believes in the supernatural, not everybody believes in the prophetic, not everybody believes in healing. A lot of churches, they're like, this is not for today anymore. So what do we do? We put it on display. And then like once they see a miracle, then they want to know like where is that written and so on. Then maybe the the words they read every single day come alive. Like you said earlier, and you read Matthew 10, but it's right there. How many times did we read this? Or how many times do people read that? And like, oh that's nice.

SPEAKER_00 32:28

Boom, let somebody else do it. But like it doesn't say, hey church leaders, hey elders, go heal the sick. It says us. We are supposed to call, uh we are called to heal the sick. So it's the teaching, it's the equipping, because again, I thought for the longest it's only the privileged people until they told me like, no, you go and do it. I'm like, ah, so we have to put this on display.

SPEAKER_01 32:58

We have to use what we've been given and we own the church and encounter with God. And I keep getting reminded of that. I'm like, it's so true. If we don't do it, who else will?

SPEAKER_02 33:14

Wow. I know you're out there and you're wondering can I do it? Am I in the position to do it? Can I have the same stories and testimonies to share about that? Can I have do I have the same courage and boldness to do the same Marcus has been talking about? I have seen stories where someone will tell whoever they are praying for that God has not healed you because you've not confessed enough. Or you have a sin that is not confessed yet. Or that you need to forgive, then God can heal you. And then the person has to go through these hoops and hooks of like, there's some truth in that? Or if they are before Jesus, standing before them, Jesus would heal them. What would you say about something like that?

SPEAKER_01 34:09

Well, I don't think that we should tell anybody, well, first you clean up your mess and then come and then we heal you. Who are we? Right?

SPEAKER_00 34:17

The Lord said to the woman after he held her, now go and sin no more, means get your act together.

SPEAKER_01 34:25

Right? So because otherwise it's almost like a sales pitch. Well, first you do this, and in return you get this. Wow. Then it's out of performance. Because out of trace. Right? So I loved it so much because I probably would have never gotten healed if the Lord would have told me, Marcus, I mean, what you did last night, that wasn't really cool. Clean that up, and then I may heal you from whatever I had. That's not our God. That's not the way I got to know him. He is so gracious, he loves us so much. There's nothing we can do to make him love us more or less, right? But we have to do our part, like, okay, Lord. You know, I often say, Lord, if I have this, I can do this. And then he does his part, and I'm like, walked away, didn't fulfill my part. And that's not cool either. So I'm like, okay, Lord, yes, I try to be better. Then literally I go into counseling, then I do a so-so to clean up the mess what brought me into where I was to start with. And that's why it's also obviously when you pray for the sick, not just like praying, just like, Lord, what are you saying right now? Because otherwise you pray for something and the root of the issue from the person is somewhere completely different. So if you don't hit the spot, what causes the whole thing, then the person may feel better, but they keep coming back and it doesn't get better because the root is not chopped off, the wall is not sealed. So that's obviously then the training, what people often don't realize or just go wild like it's the wild west and what have you, where people feel better and then again they come back again, and then eventually they give up going after healing because they're like, oh, it's probably the Lord put that on me, and like I just have to live with that for the rest of my life. And like, this is just a life from the enemy. There is a root for everything.

SPEAKER_04 36:18

That's why, like, Lord, what are you saying right now? And then boom. We had so many times.

SPEAKER_01 36:28

One time at the healing room, some a woman called me and said, Hey Marcus, my brother is coming to uh the healing room today. He needs healing on his knees. I'm like, sure. So I came, I was a bit of choppy guy, and so we said, Oh, how can we pray for you? He said, Oh my knees, they hurt a lot. So I said, sure, no problem. You know, like having hours together. I was like, just about to lay my hands on his knees and start praying, and I thought the Lord say, that's not a problem. I'm like, well what? So I asked him, When did it happen? How long ago? What happened back then? And then he said, Well, his mother passed away. So long story short, he literally blamed himself for the death of his mother, even though she passed a natural uh death. She just fell asleep and passed away. But he literally took that upon him, that manifest in his knees. So we said, okay, you you need to let go of that. So we gave him literally uh a pen and said, you know, just surrender it to the Lord. Drop it at the foot of the cross and let it go. And we we had we gave him time and said, whenever you're ready, just give it to him. The guy dropped the pen on the floor and he said, before the pen hit the floor, the pain was gone. And we didn't even pray for the pain to leave.

SPEAKER_02 37:44

Oh my God.

SPEAKER_01 37:46

That told me a lesson as well. Not just like praying for the symptoms, ask the Holy Spirit, Lord, what's going on here? Where's the root of just the interview? You know, like how how long ago did it happen or when did it start, and so on and so on. And then pray accordingly, and then you will see things just happening. Don't lean on your understanding, it might be a completely different cause why people are here. And when we involve the Holy Spirit, which is always a good thing to do, we give to people what they need, and they come and ask for what they want. Because they often can't ask for something they don't know that it's actually there.

SPEAKER_04 38:25

Wow. Say that again.

SPEAKER_01 38:28

People come and ask for what they want, and the Lord gives them what they need. It is so true. We had it so many times. It's the most beautiful thing ever. Because if I would pray only for what people ask for, they would obviously get touched and probably even healed. But if they all of a sudden melt down and start crying, and oh wow, I totally forgot about this. I had no idea, I didn't remember and what have you. That's the Holy Spirit turning those people upside down. But that's an encounter that they will never forget again.

SPEAKER_02 39:01

Let me read for you something. And then let me hear what you what you think about it. This is Mark 16, verses um 17. Let me start there. And these signs will follow those who believe. In my name, they'll cast out demons, they'll speak with other tongues, they'll take up serpents, and if they drink of anything deadly, it will not by any means hurt them.

SPEAKER_04 39:28

They will lay hands on the sick and they will cover. What do you say about that? It's all true. It's it's obviously like, uh, seriously? Is that impossible? Yes, it is. And it's again, it's a commission. It's right there.

SPEAKER_00 39:48

So lay on hands. The easiest thing ever. I had a couple of times where I laid, you know, I always ask, hey, can I put my hand on your shoulder?

SPEAKER_01 39:58

Out of courtesy, long story, whatever. So I laid my hands on and just be quiet for a couple of seconds. And then I have prayed, and then people told me, as soon as you put your hand on my shoulder, the pain left. Before I even said anything. So lay the hands on the sick. Again, it doesn't mean you have to pray a long, long prayer. Just like know who you are, whose you are, believe that the Lord's gonna do something you can't possibly do yourself, and be expectant.

SPEAKER_02 40:28

Take me through that again.

SPEAKER_01 40:30

Uh huh.

SPEAKER_02 40:30

Know who you are. Go slowly on the go go for it again, please.

SPEAKER_01 40:34

Know who you are, right? Like you're a child of the most high. There's nobody higher. He's above everything that's going on. So if somebody comes with a knee pain, the Lord is above that knee pain. So you know you're the son of the most high who can fix that.

SPEAKER_04 40:50

Boom. You read, heal the sick, lay hands on, people show people.

SPEAKER_01 40:57

If you just like believe that's ri what's written in the Bible, it's actually happening. Wow. It's it's drawing, it's it's it comes out of you without just like putting too much effort in because it's already done. He paid for it already on the cross. Right? It's not like Lord, have you ever thought of fixing a knee? He's like, duh, I'll pay for it on the cross. All we have to do is release it and believe that he's gonna do it. Pray and belief. Again, it's the simplicity of the gospel.

SPEAKER_02 41:26

You're an apostolic leader, as far as I know you.

SPEAKER_04 41:30

How do you create a culture of miracles, signs, wonders, healings to a society that don't believe so in those things? Leading by example. I wanna follow leaders in my life.

SPEAKER_01 41:48

I know they didn't just read about it or read about it, studied it, but never seen themselves. I wanna follow those people who are like they walk the talk. So here again, if nobody's out there, everybody's waiting for a leader. But once that one leader is there, everybody follows them because miracle signs and wonders will follow them. But then it's not like I'm the cool dude on the block, uh, everybody follows me. Like, no, no, no, now you go and do the same. And I've done this for a while, also, where I didn't pray for anybody anymore. It's just like, hey, can you pray for that person? And they're like, oh, I never prayed for anybody. And then two people got touched: the person who never prayed for anybody and the person who needed prayer. I'm like, boom. And then they start praying like little children all over the place. They stop people on the walk on the way home and what have you. It's just amazing. And I'm like, pulled back and said, This is the I have the easiest job ever. I just equip others to do what I'm doing. And what the Lord here again called us to do. So it's really like make the cyber so for all nations.

SPEAKER_00 42:54

Not just tell them like read the Bible and so on. Once you read, apply it.

SPEAKER_01 43:00

Reading, applying, reading, applying. That's how you grow. That's how you listen to the Lord, that's how you hear his voice. That's when you know, like, oh, this is the enemy. This is probably not the Lord. And the more you spend time with him, I only want to do what I see my father do, and I only want to say what I hear my father say, right? All those things, it's just like hanging out with Jesus, not just reading and knowing of him, knowing him as a person, right? As a good, good father. So a lot of people they know the Bible from cover to cover, but they don't know the author. Wow. Right? That's like, that's why when people I had conversations with people, they could quote me any verse of the Bible, but they never had an encounter with the Lord. So I'm like, okay, I'd rather bring first people to an encounter and then like, I want to meet the guy who ch who I encountered just now. And they're like, okay, now you read the Bible. And then the word comes alive to those people, and they're gonna start doing things that we've never thought possible doing.

SPEAKER_02 44:00

I must say, this is just beautiful. This is just refreshing.

SPEAKER_04 44:04

I wanted to ask about the agony of defeat. What do you do, at least in your experience? What have you done when you've prayed for someone and you didn't see them get healed? That's a good question.

SPEAKER_00 44:19

Obviously, first of all, it's how you get into the prayer.

SPEAKER_01 44:23

Like I said earlier, don't think of plan B or plan C, because there is no such thing in a way. There's nothing in the Bible where it says, and then if that person doesn't get healed, then you do this. Right? There's no such thing. Wow.

SPEAKER_02 44:37

So that's good.

SPEAKER_01 44:39

Somebody said once you have to be okay if somebody even passes away or somebody doesn't get healed. But I always say, you know, if people are sometimes very, very shy to actually admit that actually something happens. That's why the five-step prayer model and so on, after you pray it, hey, do you feel a difference and so on? Because a lot of people, if you don't do this, people walk away and like nothing happens. Because if if the pain level went down by 5%, they still look at the 95% that didn't happen instead of the 5% that happened already. Wow. So that's why, like, hey, do you feel tingling? Do you feel heat? You feel cold? And they're like, oh yeah, actually. Then you feel like they're excited that, wow, actually something happens. Yeah. And then you pray again. But you really have to ask them. And if verse comes to verse, if you pray two, three times and so on, and the person doesn't feel better, then just encourage someone like, hey, our belief that you're gonna receive your healing, complete healing.

SPEAKER_00 45:39

Not saying, hey, clean up your mess, right? You never do that. Never say you didn't believe. That could be a non-Christian. They wouldn't even know anything. It was me then who didn't have enough faith.

SPEAKER_01 45:53

And just like, Lord, I've done what you call me to do, it's in your backyard. Wow. And I'll surrender it. Because if I don't surrender it to the Lord, I put a lot of weight on me and eventually get crushed, eventually walk away from it and don't pray anymore, and listen to those lines that slowly but surely come in, like you see, it doesn't work, it doesn't work. Chris Gore, right? For 10 years he prayed, didn't see a single healing. That's in a way so encouraging for me. When it sounds crazy, ten years. I mean, who who waits ten years? But I loved the compassion he had. He wanted to see it. He went after it, he never gave up, and then the day came where the Lord is using him to this day like crazy. So like never giving up, surrendering to the Lord, like, Lord, I don't get it, I don't understand it. But as an encouragement, I had people, they walked away, they didn't feel a difference. I've seen weeks later, they said, Marcus, the next day I was healed. I was like, wow, thanks for sharing. Right? Power of testimony again. It's like send them off with love. Like, hey, keep coming back. If you feel any difference, please share your testimony and so on. And I believe that the Lord will touch those people. And there are probably more healing out there from people. They may listen to this recording, they're like, yeah, I pray for somebody that didn't make a difference. That might be a total lie from the enemy. Maybe go back to those people and check, did they feel a difference? They may be like, oh yeah, actually, I totally forgot about it. Yes, I was healed.

SPEAKER_00 47:25

All those uh stories, just don't have to be shy.

SPEAKER_01 47:29

Just ask. And again, if you don't see anybody get right away healed, surrender it and keep doing it.

SPEAKER_00 47:37

Keep doing it, keep doing it. Don't give up. That's not an option.

SPEAKER_02 47:42

I want you to bring me back in here and you take us through the step by step on how much someone gets to go to from a place of not believing in miracles at all, to actually start seeing miracles. Because I feel like what you just released today is an impartation of courage, of faith, of expectation. And for anyone who's listening out there and you're watching this, it's not by accident that you're watching this session and this episode. I already feel like what Marcus did today, these are my takeaways that for the way to create a culture of miracles, sons and wonders, wherever you are, is actually being an example. In other words, you teach it, you model it, and you empower it. That's from an apostolic point of view. But it comes also from the hunger to see those things happen, the consistent pursuit of like wanting to see God do the impossible or turn the impossible situations into like things that are normal things to happen. And these are things that I'm learning still. But Marcus is just sharing right here that when you don't see nothing happen, don't even quit. Don't stop. It took another person 10 years to see a single miracle. It takes some other people 20 years to see a single miracle through them. What I'm trying to encourage you here is just because it's not happened doesn't mean that you've not planted seed. Everything in the kingdom is in a seed form. You plant a seed, someone else would water that seed. God only causes growth. My responsibility is to say yes, simple as. That's it. Say yes and pray into that. So um faith. In other words, just believe and just pray. Simple as. There's no one of my greatest takeaways today has been that there's not anywhere in the scriptures where he mentions that if someone doesn't get healed, do ABCD. In other words, the way heaven thinks doesn't think in it's not gonna work. He's saying that it's going to work. That's what that means there's no plan B anyway. I'm like, wow. Thank you so much for the encouragement. Thank you so much for coming in here. Thank you so much for um serving our community. It would be an honor for us for you to just not just pray to end the episode. I really feel like we need a prayer of impartation for what you carry, for what you've seen, so that whoever gets to stumble onto this episode, they get to start to see the miraculous as a normal thing in their daily lives. Marcus, help us close us in prayer, please, if you would. Unless there's something that you're like, I want to say this before I get to pray. You're more than welcome to do so.

SPEAKER_01 50:36

Actually, you just said a little bit. It's like it's impossible to pray and nothing happens. Period. Even if you don't see it, but the seeds we're planting, it's like just powerful. We often like it's international. If you plant a seed today, you can't expect tomorrow to harvest whatever you just planted. So it takes time. Sometimes it takes time, sometimes it's an instant instantaneous healing. Sometimes it's a little bit of a process.

SPEAKER_04 51:04

But pray. Pray, pray, pray.

SPEAKER_01 51:10

Every prayer is a seed that's out there, and somebody else will may uh will take the harvest in, and that's okay. It's not beneficial to us, it's for his kingdom. To enhance the kingdom. That's how we grow. Don't be selfish. Do it for the kingdom, for God, not for yourself, not for community, for your church, whatever it is. It is for God to glorify his name.

SPEAKER_02 51:32

Someone once said that sometimes prayer doesn't change your circumstance. Sometimes prayer just changes you.

SPEAKER_00 51:40

You can give what you don't have, right?

SPEAKER_02 51:44

On that very note, Marcus, uh we would like to uh end this search really. Uh, you really want us to um I would like you to help us pray for one, our listeners and our viewers, and for the Everything Kingdom podcast as well. This is where we're trying to have conversation around the culture of heaven and how it has an impact on the culture that we live in today. Help us close us in prayer so that we are we live in such a lifestyle where expectancy of miracles, and wonders, at least in the fullness of how God intended it to be, that we're able to walk in that.

SPEAKER_00 52:25

Yeah, would be an honor. So Holy Spirit. Thank you so much for everything you're doing. What you have done, what you're doing right now, and what you're about to do. I think that every word that was inspired by you fell on fruitful soil. I pray for open ears over each and everyone who listens to this podcast.

SPEAKER_01 52:49

That they only hear what you want them to hear. Wow. Open eyes for them to see only what you want them to see, and that each and every one of them gets starts doing things they would have never thought possible doing. That when people hear you, which a lot of them do so clearly already, that they will never put a question mark anymore where you put a period and gonna start doing things again they would have never thought possible doing.

SPEAKER_00 53:21

So Lord, I pray for the spirit of prophecy to be released, testimonies to be released. Thanks, God. People stepping out of their comfort zone, people getting saved, healed, and delivered.

SPEAKER_01 53:38

Miracles, signs, and wonders being released over our city, over this nation, over this world. Thanks. That you will get back your reward for what you paid for on that cross two thousand years ago. Wow.

SPEAKER_00 53:51

So, Holy Spirit, come and do what only you can do.

unknown 53:55

Thanks.

SPEAKER_00 53:57

Thank you for being the same yesterday, today, and forever.

SPEAKER_04 54:03

Thank you for this podcast.

SPEAKER_00 54:05

Thank you for lucky, Lord.

SPEAKER_01 54:07

Thank you for the boldness, just stepping out, Lord. Lord, I pray that many, many people come to get to know you just by listening. Not what we've doing, but what you have done already on the cross.

SPEAKER_04 54:19

Wow, God.

SPEAKER_00 54:22

Thank you, God, for everything you're doing. We love you and we worship you. Pray all this in the name of Jesus. Amen.

SPEAKER_02 54:31

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