The purpose of dreams (Dream Series part one) with Lucky Njumba

🎙️ Welcome back to the Everything Kingdom Podcast, 

Episode Title: The Purpose of Dreams | Part 1 of the Dream Series

🤔Have you ever woken up from a dream and thought, "Was that from God, too much pizza, or both?" 😅

In this episode, your host Lucky is joined by co-host Nic Beidel as they kick off Part 1 of our Dream Series: "The Purpose of Dreams."

Together, we explore what the Bible says about dreams, why God has used dreams throughout Scripture, and how believers can discern whether a dream carries spiritual significance. From Joseph's dreams of destiny to Daniel's interpretation of mysteries, we'll unpack how God has spoken through dreams and what that means for us today.

📖 In This Episode:

• Why dreams appear throughout the Bible
• Can God still speak through dreams today?
• The difference between spiritual dreams and none spiritual dreams
• Why not every dream means you're the next Joseph 😄
• Practical ways to approach dreams with wisdom and discernment

🔑 Key Takeaways:

✅ God has used dreams as a tool for revelation, guidance, and encouragement throughout Scripture.

✅ Dreams should always be tested against God's Word, not treated as automatic prophecy.

✅ Not every dream carries a divine message—but some may invite us to pray, reflect, or seek God's direction.

✅ The number one reason for dreams.

✅ God desires a relationship with us more than simply delivering messages through dreams.

📜 Key Scriptures:

• Genesis 37
• Genesis 40–41
• Daniel 2
• Matthew 1:20
• Acts 2:17
• Job 33:14-18

💬 Join the Conversation:

Have you ever had a dream that you believe had spiritual significance? Share your story in the comments below!

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:07

So what are some things that God uses dreams for? The most important thing to know when it comes to dreams, but dreams are enamoring into this. Welcome back to the Everything Kingdom podcast. It is so good to be with you guys again. It's so good to be back in the studio. In the studio with me is my very good friend Nick. And uh he's gonna be co-hosting the show. And uh I'm so looking forward to see our conversation and how what we're gonna talk about. But um today we are going to talk about the subject of dreams. What is the purpose of dreams? Why dreams, what do they mean? Different types of dreams, and uh what what does the Bible say when it comes to dreams? What does why does God give us dreams? Are all dreams from God? What does dreams mean? So there's a wide range of conversation that is around dreams, and we've been so excited for this uh for this episode to come out. But uh before we get to jump into all of that, I would love us to break bread just like our usual uh culture here. And we're just gonna honor the Lord just as uh two or three are gathered. We always gather in his name. So Jesus, we thank you for your precious, precious body. We give honor to you on uh behalf of those that are listening and watching our show, and on behalf of our families and every family members, even in New York City and even in this nation and all the world at large. It is by your stripes that we are healed, God. And we take this in the honor of your name.

SPEAKER_01 1:55

Thank you, God.

SPEAKER_00 2:01

In the same measure, in the same way, we honor your precious, precious blood that is an atonement for our sins. We thank you that it is your mercy that has redeemed us through your blood to be sons and daughters of God. We speak this blood over nations, over our city, over families, and we declare that as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.

SPEAKER_01 2:33

Oh, that was amazing. Thank you. Thank you, God.

SPEAKER_00 2:36

Really. Um Nick, I'm so glad I'm in the studio with you. I'm so honored that you're going to ask me and have a conversation around dreams. Take this conversation to whatever you want it. You're the co-host today. Um I have less work, I have like less things to say. You're this, you're the you're the guy.

SPEAKER_02 2:54

Have you ever you you own a car? I do, yes. You ever handed your car keys to somebody else and said, Here you drive? That is true. It's a little uncomfortable, right?

SPEAKER_00 3:03

We are learning. You know, I'm one of those people who are like looking at every move that you do. Oh, yeah. You can be that peaceful person who can just stand like I'm a chill. This guy has a license that means he knows how to drive.

SPEAKER_02 3:14

Well, you know, I might step on the gas a little different than you do.

SPEAKER_00 3:18

You can get too excited.

SPEAKER_02 3:20

As long as I don't hit anything. You can't do something.

SPEAKER_00 3:23

You can do great.

SPEAKER_02 3:24

I was uh we get to talk about dreams today, man. But we also get to start by just getting to know you a little bit. You are now in the hot seat. So we'd love to hear. I know people who listen and and tune in, our audience would love to get to know Lucky a little bit better. So can you share with us some of your story?

SPEAKER_00 3:42

Yeah, that's a very beautiful question. Uh yeah. Somehow I think I knew anticipated it, but then I'm like, how come it's catching me off guard? But yes, uh, my name is Lucky Njumba. I have like four names, but I was born and raised in Uganda. Uh I moved to the Middle East to Dubai and worked there for um a couple years, uh, four years in real estate. I moved to the U.S. eight years ago, lived in California the past seven years, uh, in LA, in Red Ang, did a ministry school. I'm born in a family that is so huge and so big. Um I have a brother and two sisters with my mother and my dad, uh, but then I have other half-brothers, half-sisters that are so many, some of them have not even met yet uh because I traveled so much. Um I come from a family that doesn't know the Lord as much. Matter of fact, I didn't grow up in a Christian home at all. There was no concept of God when I was being raised as a kid. Uh my auntie, Julie who passed away unfortunately in 2010, uh she was a different version of what you call Christianity. She was what you call here um a witch doctor. So she was a herbal healing person in the culture of Africa, uh, I'd say in Uganda, and um that's how I was raised. Uh, at the age of five, six, or a way till like maybe ten, I was sitting in front of her, and the demons would manifest on her and she would ask me to uh recite back what they said once the manifestation stopped. So my upbringing was to talk to people, my auntie and everyone, of what the demon said. And not just demons, like demons, hundreds, thousands of them, names, and like, hey, tell how we said ABCD, tell how we want ABCD to that was my upbringing since until I was like 10. And I moved to the city. So my exposure to the supernatural did not start with Jesus our Lord or the Bible or the beautiful dreams. It started by having conversational and face-to-face encounters with the demonic world. That is how, for me, let's say, the spiritual realm is so real than anything else that I know. It is more real than the skin of my body. It is more real than anything that I can ever like. I have tested and have seen the worst of the worst in the realest of the realest when it comes to like the spiritual realm. So that was my upbringing. But then I met the Lord when I was in the Middle East. Uh, I was in Bahrain and uh there's this church called uh Rivers of Joy. I was there, and uh a friend of mine invites me to church. I go with him because Ari Car was doing well, do for them to church, and they're like, hey, why don't you just come in? Uh it's just gonna be like an hour. That's how my introduction to the Lord. But to take you back slightly, there were missionaries that came to my village when I was like seven, and they would show Jesus' movie on the projector, and they would translate for us and they would make an autocall. And I remember through that whole movie, I was just weeping and crying. And I was saying, I want that. I want to be a Christian. And I said yes to God. Unfortunately, my cousins and siblings went back and told my auntie, and I was told that that's not a decision I can make. If I'm to make that, I'm gonna have to live somewhere else. And I'm talking about that because at that time I'd not met my mom and I'd barely seen my dad. So the only person who had taken me in as my auntie now is also asking me, should I make that decision, then I'll no longer be living with and I wouldn't know where to go. So I was faced with a tough, tough choice when it came to that. So that was my introduction to Christianity. And after that, I was like, I don't think that is something that is for me. It's for everyone else, but not for me. Fast forward when I met the Lord in the Middle East, uh, friend of mine inviting me to church. I had an encounter, like this guy gets to pray for me. I fell to the ground through like a wild encounter. I stayed there for like 35, 45 minutes. I was shaking, vibrating, crying and laughing at the same time. You know, and the only thing that would come out of my mouth was like, I didn't know that God is this real. I didn't know that God is so real like this. And there that week, I would have like two weeks of just like going to bed. And in my sleep, I'm singing worship to God. In my sleep, my friend would tell me, like, you are so dead asleep, but you'd be singing worship for like hours in your sleep. And then the Lord would remind me that even when you gave your life to me when you're seven, I was still there. I've been with you ever since. But remember, he saying, I've been with you ever since, but ever since the interaction you were with demons and uh stuff like that. So that is my childhood. That is a little bit of who I am.

SPEAKER_02 9:05

Your that testimony is I don't want to say the word sensation. It is sensational. It's it's amazing. Uh to hear a testimony of how God did what he did in your life is overwhelming for me. Because it just shows like his love for every single person, no matter what their circumstance is and how he pursues, how he pursues us. What okay, so you were seven. Do you know what year that was when the you saw the Jesus movie there with some missionaries in Uganda? Was that right?

SPEAKER_00 9:37

Yeah, but honestly, I can't track trace back to when that was. But I remember, like, for me, the first introduction to who Jesus was was a Jesus movie, someone putting that on a projector and making an autocall at the end.

SPEAKER_02 9:53

Aaron Ross Powell Well, I mean, you and I have talked about this, but I was in Uganda on a mission trip.

SPEAKER_01 9:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:58

And we showed the Jesus movie some people. So wow. You know, I was in Masaka and in Kampala. How far away from those places were you?

SPEAKER_00 10:07

Both places I've lived. Since when I was a kid, I was in Masaka, and then when I was 10, 11, when I moved to high school, then I moved to the city. So another reason. I can't say that I've we've never crossed paths. I can't say that we have. I can neither deny or confirm. I just knew that it's like circumstance like I just don't know, really.

SPEAKER_02 10:27

But then here you are. You were in Uganda and now you're in New York City. Yeah. You briefly touch on what took you from Uganda. What was your travel to get to here? What's that journey like from Uganda to New York?

SPEAKER_00 10:42

Yeah, actually, it's um it's a unique uh kind of story. Like um, my dad and my siblings actually they said I shouldn't do that trip. I was moving to uh Dubai for the very first time. And at the time, none of my family members even owned a passport. Like no one had ever traveled anywhere that as far as my knowledge. And I was like, hey, I'm gonna go with this um developer, and he wants me to work with them in real estate and uh hotels and stuff. And uh they just moved around and they're recruiting people, and one of the only three that they're taking from Africa. So uh the decision was I wanted to make as much money so that I could pay my own uh university fees or tuition. And uh my dad wasn't able to do that. I was like, I'm gonna go make my own money and then pay my own like school stuff. And uh that's how I went in there. But then when I got there, I was like, still I wanted to advance my school and my studies, and then the opportunity to come to the US came around 2018. So that's when I moved here and uh moved here, and then I think a couple years later, I found out the school that I wanted to do was more in the business world of things because of reasons that I didn't I think growing up I wanted to be that, but then the Lord took me to a different path of doing like a ministry school instead. So then I get to go to a ministry school instead of like a business school for three years. So glad you did. So glad I did. Yeah, yeah. And then when did you land in New York? I landed in New York in uh end of August, August 31st, uh last year. So I've been here for let's say eight, nine months. Coming up on one year. Yeah. It's a big deal. Yeah, I'm headed there. If I make it there, I'll be like, yeah, I think I can survive here.

SPEAKER_02 12:31

Thank you for sharing everything that you did because I know you, but people need to know you because what I know of you is always so impressive. It's always so inspiring. I just love you so much. Everybody you you meet loves you. You elevate everyone around you, you edify the body of Christ in such profound ways. It's ridiculous. You have so many different gifts, and one of the things that you're so passionate about is dreams. You're a dreamer. I am. I'm a dreamer. I love that. Yeah. Uh one of my I don't know if you know this already, but like one of my most favorite quotes of all time is uh the the prophet Biggie Smalls. It was all a dream. Never mind.

SPEAKER_00 13:10

I actually have a read that one. Yeah. So look at that, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:13

The notorious B.I.G. He's you know, he's king of New York, right? In hip hop. But one of his most favorite lines or most famous lines is it was all a dream.

SPEAKER_01 13:22

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 13:22

So you'll see that quote all over the place. But uh so we'll talk about dreams now, if you're good to get into it.

SPEAKER_00 13:29

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 13:29

Ready? Okay. I want to start with probably your most favorite testimony of a dream that you had. Wow. Start start with like what's a dream that you've had where you knew God was in the dream? Because it was it was from God's from God.

SPEAKER_00 13:51

Yeah, that's a fun one. So either beginning of last year, yeah, I think beginning of last year, I had this dream. In the dream, I'm with a friend and we went in we went to heaven. And the way the sitting in heaven was looking like, it was the 12 tribes of uh Israel. And they are not called tribes in that dream. They were not called tribes, they were called houses. So God was at the center of the meeting, he was conducting a meeting, and everyone else was surrounding what you would call a throne in 12 houses, like you know, house of Judah, house of Manasseh. So I tried to go and sit with a group of people, my friend, and then the voice of God told me, it actually said, You don't belong there, that's a house of Manasseh. You go sit there. So I didn't know there was no name in the dream of where he asked me to sit, but he just like, no, that's a house of Manasseh. Go sit over there. And in that dream, every single tribe, a single pack of people, dream changes, and every single group of people turned into an actual house, and that actual house gets to be turned into fire, it starts burning like fire. Like every single thing is like burning but not being consumed. Every single one was on fire, every single thing was beautiful, it was amazing. And I'm like, I woke up from a dream. Up to this day, I do dream interpretation, but that's one of the dreams I don't want to interpret. I just call it, I just love it as an encounter with God. So that is one of my favorites, I would say. So yeah, it was it was amazing. I woke, I woke up and I wanted to go back to sleep and see if I can have it again.

SPEAKER_02 15:52

I have done that with dreams before, yes. Please let me go back into that dream. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. That's beautiful. Uh okay, so from scripture, there's lots of dreams that people have had, lots of characters having dreams. What would you say is one that stands out to you the most?

SPEAKER_00 16:13

That's an interesting one. Because when I read through dreams, I look at the dream that King Solomon had um in First Kings 3. And I think Sosa mentioned the first chronicles as well, where he gets to ask God for wisdom.

SPEAKER_01 16:31

And it is such a beautiful dream.

SPEAKER_00 16:36

But for me, the beauty about that dream was Solomon acknowledged where he was and he asked something in terms of wisdom and understanding on how to lead God's people. But instead, scripture says that that request pleased God, so much so that he said he'll give him even more and he'll give him things he didn't even ask for in a dream. That in my heart, really, I'm thinking, how awesome is God that even when you're not uh awake, you would make a request to God and he honors so much that he goes beyond your request. It's amazing. Uh yeah, that gets me all the time. Uh the kind of dreams that um Joseph had, um, their kind of visions and dreams that Daniel had, uh, especially the reason that's why I love those so much, is Joseph and Daniel's in those kind of dreams were in the midst of them serving like crazy kings, they're they are not righteous, they are not believers, they're just honoring by serving people and serving kings and people like that. And God will come and bring such a greatness of stories through dreams. Yeah. So I love them so much.

SPEAKER_02 18:07

Yeah, it's a good one. That's a really, really good one. Yeah, it's a good one for sure. Uh okay, so here's a question. And I feel like we it feels like a gimme. Okay. Dreams are surreal, they're crazy.

SPEAKER_01 18:22

Um are dreams from God? Yes and no. Can you expound? Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 18:32

So to my best to the best of my understanding and what of the research and the school and stuff that I've studied, there are four categories or four types of dreams. We have God-inspired dreams, those are dreams from God empowered by the Holy Spirit or through angels or whatever. And then we have demonically inspired dreams. Those are dreams from the realm of darkness. And we have soul best dreams. Most of the times, the soul best dreams are the ones that are connected to your emotions, your will, your desires, your mind. So that means whatever you feed on most of the time is what's going to show up in your dream. If I watch a movie before I go to bed, a horror movie before I go to bed, I'm so filled with fear, and I'm so filled with anxiety because of the movie. I've been binge watching this thing all day. And then I go to bed, and in the dream, and I got a dream, and these things are chasing me, and like I'm so full of fear. And I've like, I woke up like panting. I'm thinking, oh my gosh, I just had like a nightmare, I just had like a bad dream. No, you actually fed your soul with fear, with stuff before you went to bed, all of a sudden it shows up in when you asleep. So, and then we have the body dreams. We have those kind of dreams that are connected to your physical body. Let's say, I don't know if you've ever had this dream. I had a dream, I went to bed, and part of me, I had a dream where I feel like part of my body was off. Let's say my arms or my legs were off. It was actually mostly my arm. I was in the dream, I have my my my arm cut off. And then I woke up. Only to wake up that I had slept the wrong side of my arm and I had cut off saturation of blood or flow in my arm, but it showed up in a dream. When I woke up from my dream, I thought, like, is it real? Only realized that actually there was no flow of blood, but it showed up as a dream. So those are the four categories. There are more. I can't say this is an exhausted list, but I think for any dream, for me, those are the categories that I think like God inspired, demonically inspired, soul inspired, and then the body, physical body. Again, let me put it this way for other people or for our listeners to understand. We are a Trian being. Well, that means your spirit, soul, and body. Everything that you're going to have in dreams are going to show up in those three categories. Your spirit man, if you're a Christian, the soul side of you, which are your emotions, will, desires, mind, and then your physical body. So those are the areas that your dreams are going to come through.

SPEAKER_02 21:35

What do dreams reveal to us about the character of God?

SPEAKER_00 21:40

Usually dreams are filter for information. I cannot just be led by my dreams alone. It's just like a filter, a vehicle. It's a filter for information. I want to put it this way that actually my mentor says this that dreams are an Ultimate language of God. When you talk about dreams, there are people who dared dream, but most of the dreams I'm going to focus on, let's say the night, or when people are asleep, or when I'm taking up, or something like that. Do you know that actually the uh the uh the night season was generally created for intimacy and rest?

SPEAKER_01 22:25

You rest and then intimacy.

SPEAKER_00 22:27

If you're a married person, but also intimacy with the Father. Do you know that in Genesis when the scripture talks about like how the world began and how God created everything, he says, and there was evening and there was morning, and that was the first day. Your day begins at night, doesn't begin in the morning. That means your day begins with rest. And your day begins with intimacy. That's where everything begins. So for me, most of the time in my life, I barely, barely read in the morning or spend time with the Lord in the morning. At night before I go to bed, that's where I can take two, three hours with just the law before I go to bed. That's great. I begin my day at this through my revelation to, as far as I know, I begin like there was evening, there was morning, and that was the first day. I begin there. So for me to answer your question, coming back to your question, dreams reveal the character of God in different ways. If it's a God-inspired dream, let's say, let me put it this way: the waiting, I'm gonna expand on this when we talk about dream interpretation, but when we talk about what dreams really reveal, it is very crucial to recognize what is the source of the dream before you get to recognize anything else. The source of the dream tells you so much about the dream than anything else. If it's a God-inspired dream, everything in the dream is like it's a fascination of who God is, the beauty of God, the wisdom of God, the peace of God, the revelation of God, your own edification, your own, like maybe it's a warning, but all of that is like flowing from like the abundance of who God is. But then if it's a demonically inspired dream, that should alone also tell you, like, okay, because demonically inspired dreams, they come with like it's fear, it's like it's it's it's anxiety, it's like it's you're going to die, it's like it's everything is overwhelming. Nothing works well in that kind of realm, in that kind of a dream. Like in John 10.10, scripture says that the thief or the enemy comes to steal, to kill, and to destroy. But I come that I give life and life more abundantly. What that means, every dream that is godly or that is inspired by God is gonna have life from through it, even when it doesn't seem like so. It's gonna bring like an abundance of life because that's what that's the character and the nature of God. A demonically inspired dream is gonna try to kill you, to destroy you, to distract you, to um uh stress you up because that's the nature and character of the enemy. I think I wanted to start there, see if that makes sense at all.

SPEAKER_02 25:24

Yes. So good. It's so good. I you when you talk about dreams, you have a lot of authority. And I know you've spent a lot of time digging and learning, and uh so this is phenomenal. I'm gonna ask you sort of a it feels a little off, but uh do dreams only happen when we sleep?

SPEAKER_00 25:44

I would say that's a challenging one because the way the Bible talks about dreams is talking about through the lenses of sleep. Right. But there's also what we call daydreaming. So there's a difference between a dream and a vision. Yeah, there you go.

SPEAKER_01 26:03

So a vision can happen even when you're fully awake and sober. Yeah. It happens in your mind.

SPEAKER_00 26:13

Some of them are happen at night when you're asleep, but some languages in the Jewish culture, some of the time, the dream and a vision were tied together that there wouldn't be a difference. So that's why it's a tough one to answer, whether it's a yes or no, but it's also more likely to that. Let me read for you something to how uh Job talks about a dream. This is Job 33, and uh hopefully it answers your question. For God may speak one way or another, yet man does not perceive it. In a dream, in a vision of a night, when deep sleep falls upon men while slumbering on their beds, then God opens the ears of men and he sees their instruction in order to turn man from his deed and conceal pride from man, so that he can keep his soul from a pit and his life from perishing by the sword. So that has so much in there to either answer your question or even to tell you more of what the dreams are for. In other words, these are these are for me. When I first read that in Job 33, verses 14 to 18, this is what came to my mind. Today I am praying about God giving me a breakthrough in something. And I'm stressed out. And by then, God, I trust you, and then I go to bed. In there, in my sleep, God would come. I'm looking for an answer during the day and I don't find none. And then in my sleep, God comes and deposits an idea in my mind or in my heart. When I wake up, whether a day later or two weeks later, it was when I find out whenever, I come up with a solution to what I was praying for. And I don't know how the solution came, like, oh, I just came up with this idea, and I'm thinking this is what we need, and turns out to be the most brilliant idea in the room. I'm going to credit my brilliancy for coming up with that thought. Yet he came two weeks ago when I was asleep and he planted something in my heart. I've come to recognize it now, but he made, he deposited seed, he deposited that idea in me when I was asleep. That's what came to mind for me when I read that. And I'm thinking, every dream from God is always going to warn you of pride. It is always going to make sure that he communicates. This is what I want to say that God communicates, God speaks, not just through dreams, through different ways, but dreams are essential and so powerful that he let me let me use this illustration, Nick, if you allow me. We live in a city, New York City, that is so busy. It is so chaotic. Every single time I jump on the train, my eyes are wide open. When I go through the streets, I'm watching like who's walking next to me, who's thinking what. Plus, life itself, I have a job, I have this, I have friends, I have all these things to go through. Because God knows how man is wired that once you switch that mind on, you don't know how to switch off. So if he gives you an idea, during the day when it's busy, you're either going to overthink it or you're going to not trust it, or you're going to, like, for whatever reason, maybe just pass by because of how busy life is. To some people, God would wait till you go to sleep because that's when your mind slows down. You're not in control. You're dead asleep. And then He'll bring and puts a dream or an idea in your heart. Because when you wake up, you know that didn't come out of my great brilliancy or my intellectual mind. Oh, I never thought about this.

SPEAKER_01 30:12

Oh, there must be a God.

SPEAKER_00 30:16

There must be more to this. Then you have plenty of time to meditate and think on this. That's how I think dreams like. That's how the beauty of night season and sleeps and naps. I take naps all the time. Actually, when I'm afraid I'm overwhelmed and I don't know what to do, I take naps.

SPEAKER_01 30:34

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 30:35

When I take a nap, he speaks to me, he comes in. By the time I wake up, I'm more refreshed than before.

SPEAKER_01 30:45

Inception.

SPEAKER_02 30:49

So what are some things that God uses dreams for? If it's a God-inspired dream, then what are what are some of the ways God uses dreams when he gives them to us?

SPEAKER_00 31:02

That's brilliant. I think personally I do believe so that the most important thing to know when it comes to dreams, that dreams are a language of intimacy with God. We are as a human being, we are so wired to information. We are so wired to like to do list. Show me what to do, tell me what to do, tell me blah, blah, blah, blah. We're so wired to that. He's more focused on connection. So the first instance for me when I see a dream is not to see what's in the dream, is to actually praise that he actually loves and longs to commune with me. That's for me the first place that I go to. Whether I understand the interpretation of the dream or not, at least connection is there. See, my spirit man, my spirit man, he's perfect. There's no fault, there's no anything in my spirit man. And that's where God dwells when it comes to dreams. God inspired dreams. That's where God dwells. So for me, like even if my soul has not caught up yet with how I should work that out, whether my body has not subjected itself to the spirit, I still honor the fact that at least my spirit communes with God. And that is enough for me. So I start there. And then when it comes to like, okay, what more do God-inspired dreams bring about? What are they for? And all that. There are so many ways. There are so many things. It could be for comfort when comfort is needed. It could be for strength when strength is needed. It could be for information, for knowledge, for wisdom. God communicating to you what he needs. Let me tell you a story. When you open the Gospels, because you think to some of you, or to some of us who are listening, are thinking, I don't see how this is important. Did you know that at some point it was through a dream that Jesus' life was spared? In Matthew, the Gospel of Matthew, you see Joseph who said the earthly father to our Lord Jesus Christ. When he was born, the Holy Spirit comes upon Mary. Mary gets pregnant, and uh Joseph, Mary had already been thrown to uh Joseph to be married, but then Joseph finds out like the wife who's going to marry or fiancee is pregnant, and like that's not his. He's saying, Okay, I'm a decent man, I want to honor this lady, I want to discreetly take her back to her own family or at least like not marry her. God, scripture says God through a dream, through an angel, an angel comes to Joseph through a dream. And he wants and he tells Joseph, Joseph, don't be afraid to marry Mary.

SPEAKER_01 33:48

That which is conceived of her is of the Holy Spirit.

SPEAKER_00 33:53

Joseph gets to marry Mary. Fast forward, uh, chapter two. Again, the king Herod at the time, wanting to kill all babies because here a king has been born in, you know, you know, in Bethlehem. And it's like he wants to kill all, like maybe three years below kids. Again, an angel comes through a dream. He warns Joseph, take the child and go to Egypt for those that are seeking to kill the child, blah, blah, blah. It's amazing that God chooses to communicate through dreams. You wonder why. Like, why does he that just just tell me what to do during like broad daylight? Why is that? I really think that God loves to hide for us. See, Proverbs 25, verse 2 says, It is the glory of God to conceal a matter, but it's the glory of kings to search it out. Every single time God would communicate or Jesus would communicate or preach, he would speak to them in parables. Some of the scriptures actually said he did not speak to them in any other way except through parables. To those that are willing to listen, they are going to search out a matter because it's the glory of kings. Kings is talking about you and me and everyone else. It is the glory of you and I to search out what God is saying. But it is the glory of God to conceal it. What does that mean? You are a father. I'm a father. You know what happens when it comes to Easter? You hide eggs for your kids, not so that they cannot find them, but so that they can find them. Oh, I found this, I found this. Like, you don't, God does not hide from you, He hides for you. So good. When a kid finds that egg, oh my gosh, they're so full of joy. But also gives you so much joy as a dad. That's the beauty when it comes to dreams. He doesn't just sometimes he speaks plainly, as simple as ABCD. But sometimes he's longing to see how much do you value your connection and his connection with him that you'll be willing to search it out.

SPEAKER_02 36:04

So good, Lucky. When uh when God gives us dreams, He's saying He uses them to guide us, to warn us, to give us clarity, um, to give us direction, uh, it's so beautiful that he speaks to us that way in the dreams. When it comes to interpreting what we've seen in dreams, I want to start with how do we know how to interpret dreams, first of all? And then second to that, um when it comes to sharing a dream, how do we know when it's okay to share a dream? Like, does it should we share a dream? Should we not share a dream? Is a dream just for us or is it for others? How would we know those two things? So, first, how do we know to correctly interpret dreams? And then the follow-up to that is how do we know to share a dream?

SPEAKER_00 37:00

That's a beautiful question.

SPEAKER_01 37:02

To uh to the best of, I'm gonna try to do justice on that question. Uh I'm gonna start with a story. There was a man called Joseph.

SPEAKER_00 37:15

He was in prison, he's with he's in a locked up with uh the servants of the king, Pharaoh, at the time. They both had a dream and they are so sad in the morning they didn't know how to interpret the dream. In Genesis 40, verses 8. This is how Joseph responds to them. He says to them, Tell me your dreams. Do not all interpretation belong to God.

SPEAKER_01 37:44

To accurately interpret a dream, it has to be through the lenses of God.

SPEAKER_00 37:51

God gave the dream in the first place. God gets to have the first place when it comes to interpretation.

SPEAKER_01 37:58

To accurately interpret a dream, it has to be through the lenses of the Holy Spirit.

SPEAKER_00 38:05

Minor start, the dream is not gonna be interpreted correctly. Let me say that even again. Without the Holy Spirit, you cannot accurately interpret a dream. Not just a God dream, even a demonically inspired dream. Because God is not afraid of darkness. To some, maybe that is news to you. God is not afraid of darkness. Scripture in Psalms 139 actually says, darkness and night, or day and night, they are like to God. You can't go it's mind-blowing that night and day are the same to him. God is not afraid. In Psalms 23, he said that even though I walk through the valleys of the shadow of death, even when it's so dark, even when it's so scary, you're with me.

SPEAKER_01 38:55

It's amazing.

SPEAKER_00 38:56

So to actually interpret dreams, the Holy Spirit first. Again, the second thing I would say is the scripture resonance.

SPEAKER_01 39:06

Scriptures do not contain God, scriptures reveal God.

SPEAKER_00 39:12

John said that in the gospel of John, he said if we are to write everything that Jesus did and told, there would not be enough books in the whole world to contain it. So it is this is the Bible is not just like, oh, God is all in here, and that's it. No, God is revealed through here and more. So good. So for me, those are the two things I start with. And then another one, uh, I I would say, uh, what is the culture context? The culture of a person who had a dream. So for me, if I interpret your dream, I have to honor you who received the dream first. God gives you a dream, and in the dream, you're into this galaxy and you study ABCD. And then if I come, I'm an African man. And where I grew up, green means something different from what green means to you. So if I'm to accurately interpret your dream, I have to honor you who received the dream because God will always speak. Let me put it this way: God speaks every single single person's language differently. To the way he speaks to a Russian and the way to speak, he speaks to uh a Chinese, he speaks to them to a language to which they would understand. When he came to speak about the revelation of a king born in Bethlehem to the people of the East, he showed them a star because they were that's a culture they lived there. They knew how to interpret signs and wonders and skies and uh symbols and all of that. So God will always bring information to you that you know how to speak or you know how to understand. So he will not speak to you to a language that you are not able to get unless you already put resources for you to get to know what he's saying. So those are areas that I go to. If it'd be another one, I think would be um the Holy Spirit, the scriptures, and then the culture context, and then I'll find out, let's say, what is the emotion in the dream? It is so, so key. It signifies what the dream is about. See, emotions do not like display everything, but they are like guiding tools to what this is all about. If I have a dream, and in a dream, I was let's say for me, my dream that I just told you about when I was in heaven, I was like excited, I was not anxious at all, I was not scared, I was not worried, I was actually joyful.

SPEAKER_01 41:45

That tells me who's the giver of joy, who's the giver of peace?

SPEAKER_00 41:53

Joy is connected to what? All those things are connected to God. I've never seen a scripture that says that the enemy has joy. That actually certain is the giver of peace. I've never seen that. Because I know the source of joy and the source of peace, that tells me that's a God dream. So emotions, our emotions as well, can direct us to what the source of the dream is. So again, we are going to expand on this when we talk about dream interpretation, but I just want to give it like at least a little uh preamble on when it comes to like that. Also, I think the second part of your question was when do we share the dream? Um, this is only, again, the guidance of the Holy Spirit will show you, but I think for me, I start right here. Uh, when you check in with the Holy Spirit, you know, let's say, Nick, if you are an apostolic leader in our church, in our movement, or you are the father of the house, or you God will give you dreams depending on who's surrounding you and who's around you sometimes. There are dreams that are given to people that are prophetically dreams, they are uh destiny dreams. But let's say the biggest man in our land is President Trump. God will give him a dream that is not just on his personal level, but it's for the consent, or rather, it's for the uh it's for the benefit of those that are all under his sub and like the people that he leads. Let me put it this way: when the queen of Sheba came to visit Israel at a time, she brought beautiful gifts, she brought all these amazing things, and when the queen of Sheba saw all that was with King Solomon, she made a statement like this. She said, Because of God's love for the people of Israel, God has made you king. In other words, because of God's love for the people God has put under your care, God has favored you by making you king. What that means, God will supply and bring things to you, not because of your own thing, but because of the love he has for the people that is put under your care. So some dreams, when it comes to a person, they are always to the benefit benefit of those he leads. Like King, like the dream that came to King Pharaoh when Joseph interpreted those dreams. And then when do we share that dream? Again, it is discernment, it is wisdom from God given through the guidance of the Holy Spirit. But I would say find a community that speaks. Let me let me say, when you're to share a dream, you have to find people of similar value. A community that's of a similar value. And I would say, if uh here's an example of this. If you're my brother, and he's my brother, and I have siblings around me, but I am the only Christian, and I believe that God speaks through dreams. And uh I've been fascinated with God, and then I have a dream that I don't understand, and I bring it to my brother, who's a critic, who's a cynic, who's like he's a so unrighteous, like, but they are family member. They are going to see my dream through the lenses of where they live, because one, they live a life that is not so connected to God, they don't have a value system that God speaks. So all they are going to give me, if I'm very honest, is not the right interpretation. Not because they are bad in themselves, right? It's because they don't have the same value system.

SPEAKER_01 45:19

Right.

SPEAKER_00 45:20

So if let's say I'm a Christian and I have a dream, I look for people that have the same value system that God speaks through dreams. Yes. Uh, do I have accountability here with these people? Yes, that means if a dream is wrong, people that you live with, they know you. They're like, you've been fascinated with buying a car. You've been talking about this for six months, and uh you spend the last one trying to do ABCD. We wonder if this is your desire or your soul in their dream or this is God. They are going to hold you accountable. That's the beauty of community, friends and community. But if they say people do not have the same value, you're going to find out that maybe they're like they're going to they're going to delay, they're going to like not give you the right counsel when it comes to dreams. I would put it this way that for anyone, let's say, who wants to have more dreams, to someone who wants to have uh more dreams to like in their lives or like remember their dreams. The first thing is value. You'll always attract that which you value. And if you value interpretation, if you value the depths of it, all of a sudden God is going to bring people around you or people that in your south are able to help you with that.

SPEAKER_01 46:47

It's good. Thanks. It's really good. Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 46:50

In the story of Joseph, you know, it before he was in prison and hearing the dreams that Pharaoh was having, right? Uh, he had his own dreams.

SPEAKER_01 47:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 47:02

Right. That because he shared them, put him in a pit. Yeah. Right. And then put him in prison. And then so on and so forth. Uh so it's interesting because in that story, it's almost like, did he did he share it when he wasn't supposed to? Did he share it with people that he wasn't supposed to? And yet the sovereignty of God is he orchestrates everything. So I I I've asked that question plenty in reading that story. I'm like, should he have not shared it? It's a unique one, isn't it? Right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 47:34

Because in their culture, yeah, that's what they are doing. It's very difficult to say don't share when growing up all in our lives, all we've done is to tell you a dream I had last night. Exactly. So if you ask me not to share one, unless God strictly says me in the dream, don't share it.

SPEAKER_01 47:49

Right.

SPEAKER_00 47:49

Had he not shared it, had he how did he have gone to Egypt? You don't know, still the sovereignty of God would have led him there. Should he share, should he not share? I don't know. I just have a thinking for me in my heart of hearts. Uh really, I don't know how to interpret that one because if we grow up in a household where we get to share, hey, I had a dream, and in the dream we had planted this garden and there was fruit. Oh, then a dream like that that comes as well for Joseph is gonna share anyway. But uh, I think most of these things we are going to touch on uh in the another scene, we're gonna have a part two of this when it comes to interpretation. I'd love for that to do that. But all that's to say is connected to the voice of God, how God intends to communicate and how he wants to communicate. But up to you. Uh lead me to uh how you want us to end this. But I'm uh I'm just I've been enjoying this a lot. Oh yeah, same.

SPEAKER_02 48:40

It's it's uh so I keep getting this vision of a conductor with a symphony, you know, and at the same moment that the conductor's saying to the violinist, hey, do this now, he's motioning over to the drummer, he's motioning to the flutist and the French horn player, whatever. He's got a lot going on. Yeah, and yet he's helping to guide and direct. And I'm going, man, if he can invade, if you will, my dreams in one night on a certain day at a certain time, while simultaneously being somewhere else with however many billion people that are on a planet, do doing the same thing with other people. It just makes me marvel at God and his ability to orchestrate his will on earth, using something like dreams in order to, almost like somebody playing chess going, I here's here's the next move, because I see what moves need to happen along the way. It just makes me marvel at God again, uh how amazing he is to be able to do that, orchestrate everything, even in dreams while we're sleeping. So uh I as far as closing out goes, uh I I would love for you to pray over people's sleep and uh in sort of unleashing dreams because it says Joel II, which is you know recorded in Acts as Peter's explaining to everybody what just happened. It says he'll pour out a spirit, and in the list of things that he's saying will happen when God pours out a spirit, he mentions seeing visions and dreaming dreams. And so if we receive the Holy Spirit, I'm going, man, I'd more dreams, God. Wow. More dreams.

SPEAKER_00 50:38

So would you lead us in that? That is so, so powerful. I could think of that. I'm saying, God, actually, the evidence of the Holy Spirit being poured out for us through generation is dreams and visions and prophesy.

SPEAKER_01 50:56

God, what an honor to talk about all things, kingdom, everything, kingdom.

SPEAKER_00 51:04

It is your idea, and we honor you, and we want to thank you, God. Not just for our time now, but there are those that are watching us. They are those that are going to stumble onto this. So, God, we want to honor them and we want to pray that you would infuse them with the grace to rest, with the grace to have intimacy with you in the middle of the night. Let me say this to someone who is not even a Christian yet, and they're watching this. You gave dreams to King Nab Kernazar when he wasn't a righteous man. You gave dreams to King Pharaoh when he was not a righteous man. You're not bound by someone's faith. You always, always go after connection and communion. So, God, I pray that whichever person is watching this show and listening, they'd be infused with grace to dream, but most so to have intimacy with you in the night season. God, I pray for rest for areas where people have been struggling to find sleep. I want to declare this over them. Proverbs 3, verses 24 says them that you shall sleep and do not be afraid, and your sleep will be sweet. So, God, I declare that over them, that they shall sleep and they will not be afraid, and their sleep will be sweet. We pray that in Jesus' name.

unknown 52:22

Amen.

SPEAKER_02 52:23

Amen. Amen. I can't wait for part two.

SPEAKER_00 52:28

Stay tuned. This is the Everything Kingdom Podcast. We're so glad you get to join us today, guys. Subscribe, share, like, leave a comment. We would love to get to hear your feedback when it comes to dreams. This is something we're going to do every now and then, but we're so honored that you get to be with us today. Other than that, Nick, thank you so much for hosting. That was amazing. Thank you. Beautiful questions. I'm so glad that you get to uh jump in. I'm so glad and happy.

SPEAKER_02 52:49

I'm honored. I'm honored. It is an honor to get to interview you. Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_00 52:54

Right, guys, see you in the next one and uh cheers.

SPEAKER_01 55:42

Sometimes he speaks plainly, but sometimes he's longing to see how much do you value your connection and his connection with him, that you'll be willing to search it out. So, what are some things that God uses dreams for?

SPEAKER_00 56:35

The most important thing to know when it comes to dreams is that dreams are a language of intimacy with God.