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🎙️ The Purpose of Dreams | Part 2 of the Dream Series

Have you ever woken up from a dream and thought, "Was that from God, too much pizza, or both?" 😅

In this 2nd episode of the podcast, host Lucky Njumba is once again joined by co-host Nic Beidel as they dive deep into Part 2 of our Dream Series: "The Purpose of Dreams."

Together, we explore what the Bible says about dreams, why God has used dreams throughout Scripture, and how believers can discern whether a dream carries spiritual significance. From Joseph's dreams of destiny to Daniel's interpretation of mysteries, we'll unpack how God has spoken through dreams and what that means for us today.

Part 2 focusses on interpretation, how to approach each dream plus biblical examples that goes way back. Expect an impartation and invitation into the life of dreams.

📖 In This Episode:

  • Why dreams require interpretation?
  • Is dream interpretation a gift?
  • The difference between spiritual dreams and everyday dreams
  • Common misconceptions about dream interpretation
  • Why not every dream means you're the next Joseph 😄
  • Practical ways to approach dreams with wisdom and discernment

🔑 Key Takeaways:

✅ God has used dreams as a tool for revelation, guidance, and encouragement throughout Scripture.

✅ Dreams should always be tested against God's Word, not treated as automatic prophecy.

✅ Not every dream carries a divine message—but some may invite us to pray, reflect, or seek God's direction.

✅ Discernment is essential when interpreting dreams.

✅ God desires a relationship with us more than simply delivering messages through dreams.

📜 Key Scriptures:

  • Genesis 37
  • Genesis 40–41
  • Daniel 2
  • John 10:10
  • Proverbs 25:2
  • Matthew 1:20
  • Acts 2:17
  • Job 33:14-18

💬 Join the Conversation:

Have you ever had a dream that you believe had spiritual significance? Share your story in the comments below!

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SPEAKER_04

If we approach a dream as though I have it and I know what it means, I don't need any interpretation of anyone in it, you might start approaching my dreams in the morning. Welcome back. Oh hi there. Welcome back to the Everything Kingdom podcast. It is me, your host Lucky, and back in the studio is my friend that I'm about to introduce. But we would love to continue our conversation that we had on our previous episode, which was about dreams. And in this next segment, we are going to talk about dream interpretation. I'm so glad that you get to join us and be back with us. I hope and we pray that actually this episode gets to bless you from whatever you're watching from. I have my friend and my very good friend Nick in the studio with me. Nick, welcome to the show.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

And I'm so glad you're back in the studio with us. I'm so glad you're going to continue this conversation about dreams, the mysteries of how God speaks in dreams, uh in visions, and the like. But before we get to do that, I know and you know that our culture here is always to uh break bread and uh have communion and fellowship with the Lord through um sharing this meal that he left for us. So are we gonna do the same again? Uh and we say, King Jesus, we thank you and honor you for the price that you've paid on the cross for all of us. We honor you even for those that are listening, and uh, as we take this on their behalf, that their bodies will be healed and that your name in them will be glorified.

SPEAKER_03

Thank you, Jesus. Lord, we thank you for your precious blood.

SPEAKER_04

Thank you for the privilege that you paved a way for us to talk about things like this because of the price you paid. We honor you and we honor your blood, and let your blood speak a better word and speak a better covenant for us. For us that are in here and for those that are listening and watching this, that your blood will go before them as a form of protection and form of advancement into all things kingdom. We pray this, God, and we declare that as for me and my house, as for me and my city, God, we will serve the Lord.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, what a lovely, lovely, lovely afternoon.

SPEAKER_04

Uh, thank you for joining us, Nick. Uh you're jumping back in the host seat, co-hosting this show today. So, whatever that is on your heart, I don't know if I'm ready for, but I'm ready to dive deep into this conversation about dreams. I wonder if you've had any dreams uh ever since the last one, but you take on it's your show and uh lead it the way you want to.

SPEAKER_01

Are you asking me if I've had dreams since the last time? Yeah. Well, the one that I remember is actually a pretty odd one. Uh-huh. Do you really want me to share it? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

You're the one leading, so feel free to uh drop this conversation the way you want them, but I don't mind.

SPEAKER_01

That's just I feel like this is a good case study. Okay. Actually, okay, so I'm in New York City, and I think I'm in some kind of a warehouse building. Feels almost like an office space, like a co-working space, maybe like a we work or something.

SPEAKER_03

Okay.

SPEAKER_01

Um, and there was a rat. And I saw the rat and I grabbed a rat by its throat. And as I was holding it in my hand, it began to like shrivel, and the hair went away, it became like lifeless, limp in my hand. I was like, oh, I was threw it. Went into some other space in the building. There were two. Grabbed both of them. Same thing. They both responded the same way. They shriveled, started to die. Trying to figure out where do I put these now that they're done, and I took care of it. That was the dream.

SPEAKER_02

That was the end of the dream. That was the end of it.

SPEAKER_01

And I was fine. I had no fear in it. I felt very much like it was no problem to take care of the pro to take care of the problem. Like it wasn't an issue. I didn't have to fight to do it, I had to chase them. I just literally need to get these out of here. They're not supposed to be here. Boom, grabbed them. Done.

SPEAKER_04

Wow. Yeah. Uh uh, if you were in space of mind and I'm like trying to bring the same dream to me, these would be my questions to you.

SPEAKER_03

Okay.

SPEAKER_04

What do you think about when you had a dream, when you woke up from the dream?

SPEAKER_01

What came to your mind first? I think the first thing was like, that was weird. I wonder what that meant. Hmm. Because it was the the it I had the sense that that was from God, that it wasn't just a random dream. Because then I stopped thinking about it right after I woke up, kind of forgot about it, and then later on I just came back very clear. Like I had just had it. And this was a few hours later. And I hadn't written it down because I just got into doing other things. And yeah, so I felt I felt like that was a little bit odd. I wonder what that means. I wonder.

SPEAKER_04

Again, for the sake of uh case study, uh, this is just like on the spot. Nick didn't tell me this at all. But should we be in a conversation where like I'm trying to have an interpretation of that dream with me, trying to interpret it? For me, these are maybe my questions towards you. When did you have the dream? Yeah, the date of the dream, is there any time specific? Or does the date or time mean anything? Those are all very questions that I ask. Yeah. If you're to name the title of the dream, what would be the title of the dream? Uh, what was the emotion in the dream? Was there fear? Was there joy? Or it was just like uh neutral. There was no anything like that. Oh, okay. So those are all give me clues on like what is the source of the dream or where would the dream go? So those will be my questions that I would ask first.

SPEAKER_03

Hmm.

SPEAKER_01

So it was Saturday night, which would have been June 6th or 7th, right? Um I didn't wake up immediately after the dream, and I So I knew that I slept more afterwards, and then I remembered the dream when I woke up, like it had happened. I I remember feeling like this didn't I didn't wake up out of the dream. The dream just stopped, but I kept sleeping. Um and as far as the feeling goes, neutral would probably be the best answer because I didn't feel scared or anxious or I also didn't feel joyful. It wasn't like this is exciting. It was just, it just happened.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. That's beautiful. Yeah. So then my question to you would be like, okay, let's map out this dream.

SPEAKER_03

Okay.

SPEAKER_04

You are in New York City, you live in New York City.

SPEAKER_03

I do, yeah.

SPEAKER_04

You are in an office space that looked like a warehouse space kind of thing. Yeah. Okay. That sounds like from that sounds like a place of your dwelling, a place of where you do what you do. Yep. Uh, you know, or work or whatever. But if that's the case, uh looking at the time, the date, and anything, uh, without you telling me, I would like what to think, would rats mean anything to you in your culture, in your upbringing, are they beautiful things to you? Or are they things like, I don't think I want to live with rats? Yeah. Because different places have different interpretations of what rats mean. Yeah. When you go to South Africa, actually, rats represent cancer. Wow. So now, here could be for you very different. Like, again, in New York City, for the sake of context, for some of our listeners, we see rats a lot in New York City. Yeah. On the subway system, and it's like it's like gross, like anywhere there's uh decay or anything like that, rats you see everywhere. Is your dream potentially pointing to the authority that God has given to you that you have the authority to take what doesn't belong somewhere and take it somewhere that where it belongs? So, like you didn't say you killed a rat. It's just like this doesn't belong here. I take it. It didn't have enough anything once. It happened more than once. It happened twice. Yeah, you go into this building, this thing, you take one thing that was the other building, take it out. You went into another building against something you saw too, pick them up. Yeah. Today, for the sake of our listeners, today you talk to me about something demonically inspired.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

About like, is it like is this thing spiritual? When we are walking into one of the buildings with you, I am thinking, is that dream pointing to how much authority you have, removing things that do not belong? Again, it's a question that you have to come back and forth to see if that means anything to you.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, uh it did feel like that. It felt like I somehow have some authority that I didn't know that I had just to be able to reach down and grab it. And again, I was just trying to remove it, but while I was holding it, it was withering away. I also know that when I think about somebody close to me, which is my wife, and her reaction to seeing a subway rat or a rat anywhere, is that she she doesn't like it. You know, it makes her very uncomfortable. Yeah. Right? Okay. Nothing wrong with that. No, no shame on her feeling uncomfortable to see a rat. But it's that if she were to see that, she doesn't want to be around it. It's bad, it's a bad thing. She gets a bad feeling from it. Um so it feels very protective to say, I'm gonna remove something that I know is gonna make people feel uncomfortable. It's bad. So when you also said the rat represents cancer in South Africa, something stirred up in me a little bit. So to think about being able to say goodbye to cancer for people would be awesome.

SPEAKER_04

It's interesting you say that because sometimes God will reveal mysteries like that in a dream, and he just wanted you to have a conversation, invite is inviting you into a conversation. Should you try to dig deeper what that means, you're gonna find out that actually is maybe placing things or tools in your hands that you didn't know you possess. But he didn't give it to you in plain sight. He hid that kind of mystery or revelation in a dream. Yeah. And should you seek out, again, like Proverbs 25, 2, it is the glory of God to conceal, but it is the glory of kings to search it out. So should you choose to search it out, the end result of that is that you receive glory in searching out what that means. Because in the searching, then he reveals. Again, in the seeking, God reveals, he becomes intimate. Dreams are a language of God, are a language of intimacy. That's good.

SPEAKER_01

So that's where I would love to start. So good. That's so good. Yeah. Interpretation of dreams, significant thing. Um, would you say that dream interpretation is a gift? That's a very beautiful, beautiful question.

SPEAKER_04

Yes, and a little bit of no. I'll put it that way. Yes and no, but mostly yes. The reason that's why I say that there are people God has gifted in different areas. It's not that he loves any other person differently, it's just like the grace on them for that kind of a thing is more evident than others. Yeah, and um we see in the scriptures that there are people who are like naturally gifted with that. Joseph, Daniel, yeah, you know, uh, people back in the day on different things. There are people who are gifted to be builders, strategists, and all of that. So, dreams, just like any other thing, there are people God has given like a plentiful of grace when it comes to dreams and their interpretation. Yeah, not everyone is able to do that. But I put a cavear on that because should someone be uh a believer in the Lord, then everyone has access to the same. Because again, it is the Holy Spirit who gives out gifts, and scripture says in 1 Corinthians, is it verses 14? Earnestly desire and pursue spiritual gifts. Yeah. And in our focal point in dream interpretation lies in Genesis 40, verses 8. I mentioned this in episode 1. And when Joseph was faced with a challenge to interpret someone else's dream, this is his response in Genesis 40, verses 8. He said, Do not all interpretation belong to God. That means should anyone have access to God, they have access to dream interpretation. Come on. So then comes my answer, yes and yes, and maybe a little bit of no, but mostly yes.

SPEAKER_01

That's amazing. We're talking about Joseph. So Joseph received dreams, and in those dreams, it wasn't somebody speaking to him, giving him direction, guidance, foretelling the future. It was pictures, images, right? That played out like a video. When he interpreted dreams, they were similar. They were images, pictures, and they're uh a little bit almost feeling abstract. Like it wasn't clear, which meant these dreams require interpretation. But there are dreams that actually don't require any interpretation because it's just it's very it's somebody speaking to somebody else, giving them direction, guides. Here's the instructions, here's what you need to do, right? Wake up and go to Egypt or whatever it would be, right?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Um so those are two types of dreams.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Dreams that require interpretation, dreams that don't. When it comes to the ones that require interpretation, can someone interpret them on their own with God, or does it require somebody else to require it? So it's like if I have a dream, do I need somebody else to interpret it for me? Is that the always that way?

SPEAKER_04

I'll call dreams that have imagery and mystery that you don't understand. I'll call them symbolic dreams.

SPEAKER_03

Okay.

SPEAKER_04

And I'll call dreams that seems to be a plus rather rather than one plus one equals to two. I'll call them literal dreams.

SPEAKER_03

Okay.

SPEAKER_04

Um I would answer your question by first saying that every dream requires interpretation, irrespective of uh how it looks like.

SPEAKER_03

Okay.

SPEAKER_04

There's so much in a dream than just what is given to you as revelation. In the dream setting, I want to put it this way that there is revelation, there is interpretation, there's application.

SPEAKER_03

Say that again.

SPEAKER_04

In any dream, yeah, there is revelation, that is the dream given to you.

SPEAKER_03

Okay.

SPEAKER_04

And then this app like this um interpretation, yeah, the meaning of the dream, or the symbols, or the message that is in the dream. And then how do you apply that which you've interpreted? Beautiful. Is the application. So uh much as the dream seems literal, there's an application part to it. Again, for me, I call dreams as invitations. That is not the whole picture. Once you receive a dream, there's always more. Again, God is inviting you into a dialogue. So that's where I start. So to answer your question, should you receive a dream that's literal? You understand it, go from point, go. I've had it so many times. Go from here to New York City. Simple as. But every dream that I have, the best way to approach it is to start it with prayer. I bring it back to the gift giver. I call a dream as a gift. He gave me a gift of revelation through a dream. I take it back to him because it is him in the is for him in the first place. God, you gave me this. I feel like I understand what you said. First, I give you thanks that you speak to me, that you're intimate with me in this way. Are there anything, is there anything that I need to know in this dream that I maybe I might have missed? How should I approach this? How can I steward this? You know, how do I who do I invite in this? Yeah. So if you're able to do those simple steps first, let me play a scenario of your question. If we approach a dream as though I have it and I know what it means, and it's I don't need any interpretation or anyone in it, you might start to approach life the same way. I don't need people around me because I've got it. We are designed as social beings. We are designed as people who dwell amongst other people. It is actually healthy to bring other people in any dream, irrespective whether you know the meaning or not.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Because people play a part. Some things are revealed to you, some are not. Scripture says that we hear in part and we prophesy in part. There's a possibility that maybe an aspect of your dream, actually, the other person has it almost the same dream. I have seen the Lord bring a dream to you, he brings another small piece of the dream to another person, and he brings another piece of the dream to another person. Him trying to communicate of how much we need every single part of our body to play a part. So again, to answer your question, every dream will be healthy for you.

SPEAKER_03

One to bring it to the Lord, but also to invite a community into a dream. That's great. It's so good. Um revelation interpretation application.

SPEAKER_01

It's beautiful. Well said. Really well said. Thank you. Um when it comes to dreams, are they all spiritual? Is every dream a spiritual dream? As in see if I can be more clear on this. I could see myself over-spiritualizing something. And just as much I could see myself under-spiritualizing something. Uh when it comes to dreams, are they all spiritual dreams? Or is some of them you just it's like you're subconscious?

SPEAKER_04

That's a very beautiful way to put that. Um see, like any other gift, a dream is also dreaming is also a gift. Yeah. But what you don't want is to be overwhelmed and overburdened by the gift. God never intended that He'll give you a gift that would drive you away from your purpose, that actually would overburden you so much that even at a point where you're supposed to be resting, all you're thinking about is dreams all the time. They serve you in points that you get to be connected with God. So anything that, let's say, let's let me use the word intercession as uh we are born and designed as believers to actually live in communion with God at all times. But if I am so tired to do life with other people because of intercession, I'm no longer using the gift to serve my community well or to serve the Lord well. I'm letting the gift now I start to abuse the gift because I'm thinking now a given instead of being a gift becomes a burden. Yeah. So much as I value dreams, I value life and what it brings to other people. I don't know if I'm doing your question justice, but I'm trying to connect here the dots that over spiritualizing things sometimes doesn't serve you well. But also paying attention to details, paying attention to when again, there's a scripture that I love to uh refer to. It is in Hebrews 5, verses 14. It says that solid food is for the mature. By reason of practice and use, they exercise their senses to discern good and evil. A person who has matured in wisdom, in discernment, in understanding is able to discern that this is something I should pay attention to, or this is something that actually I just put on the shelf, or I just trash it. It's like when you give me a prophetic word, I have the field of the Holy Spirit in me to say that this is God or this this doesn't sound like God. I still honor you for taking the courage to bring that word to me, but I I I reserve the right to veto or to say that doesn't sound like God, or this I don't understand. Let me either put this on the shelf and wait for time, or let me flash that because the source of that word doesn't sound like the nature and the character of God.

SPEAKER_03

So here's a question. God can give you dreams. Can anybody else give you dreams? Yes.

SPEAKER_04

Okay, who would that be? In last episode, we talked about some types of dreams. Right.

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SPEAKER_04

We said that any human being is a triune being.

SPEAKER_02

Every single human being is spirit, soul, and body. Three in one.

SPEAKER_04

To Christians, I would say the same phrase would be said God the Father, God the Son, God the Triune, a Trinity. Same as humans. But in the segment of the spiritual side of a human being are both God dreams and demonically inspired dreams. So there's a sec there are two things in the spiritual. So God dreams are the ones that are inspired by God. Demonically inspired dreams are the ones that either we've let a door open or the enemy will try to bring. The demonic realm have access in the spiritual, but we have access to the Holy Spirit. That again, I don't want to dive deep into this, but we do not just inhabit this planet. We cohabit it. There are demonic forces on earth. As though as still even we exist here, we've seen it. So all that to say that the God dreams are the only like always inspired by God. They have life in it. I quoted John 10:10 last time that he came to give life and life more abundantly. But the this thief came to steal, kill, and destroy. That means every demonically inspired dream is gonna have some sort of destruction, some sort of fear in them, some sort of like you know, death in them, all stuff like that. Trying to derail you from your purpose. So when I say who gives the dream, it's just like life itself. See, like let me put it this way. Let me put a story maybe to answer the question. See, when the children of Israel were coming from Egypt, from being enslaved, being taken to the promised land, that journey would have been eight days. But the scripture said God saw that as soon as these people would see war, they would try to run back into enslavement, so he took them a long route. Fast forward, as soon as they tested the goodness of God in the miracles, sons, and wonders, all of a sudden the next thing is they face is the very thing that he didn't want them to face. Why is that? God knows when not to let something come your way because he knows that you're not ready for it. And he knows that every single time he will let or allow, let me use the word allow, he would allow something to come your way, maybe a demonically inspired dream. It is because he trusts and he knows that he's already put equipment at your disposal to help you navigate that system, that thing well. In the same story, when they were not ready for war, he said, they will see war and they try to run back to that what is familiar. So I'm gonna take them a long route and to avoid this war. But as soon as they tested the goodness of God, they've known the character of God, obviously, like now you can go and fight these Amalachites, you can go and fight this. Why? Because at that time, they had known that actually God is with us, and now, if he's with us, then we can win a war. But before that, they were like, no, we're gonna run back because we are not equipped for this.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

So in the same way, sometimes dreams are like that. Sometimes God will allow something to come your way because he knows that he did not allow it for it to defeat you, but actually that you would be advanced through that.

SPEAKER_01

Wow. That's good.

SPEAKER_03

Uh okay.

SPEAKER_01

So when it comes to interpreting dreams, what tools, resources do we use to interpret them?

SPEAKER_03

Let me refer to scripture first to answer that question.

SPEAKER_04

The king of Egypt, Pharaoh, has a dream. No one can interpret that dream. And his servants that serve the king were said, no, we know a man that can interpret that. He's been doing that in prison, he interpreted my dreams. Let me bring the man to you. Joseph comes before the king. This guy is taken as a slave. He's in the dungeon, he's brought before the king. And this is what Pharaoh the king says it has been told, or I have heard, that you are able to hear a dream and you have the ability to interpret what that dream means. Joseph's response to the king is this it is not within me to tell the king of the secrets, but I know a God in heaven who is able to tell the king the secrets that are in the dream. That is the answer to anything that you're going to face. It is not within a man to reveal or to interpret the mysteries of heaven. But it is within God who lives in a man to interpret that. The same thing happened to Daniel when Nabucadineza the king had a dream. He couldn't understand the dream. He doesn't he didn't even remember the dream. Daniel and his friends, they get to pray. Like, let's take some time and let us pray. They prayed. King, we know you've had a dream. You don't remember the dream, but you're asking every single person, your magicians, your sorcerers, you're asking them to interpret, to tell you first, this was one of the weirdest of things. If you read the story, you go and read Daniel 2 if you want to understand that kind of story. Daniel 2, King Nabkarneza has a dream. He forgets about the dream, but his spirit is anxious and like so worried that he couldn't sleep anymore. So he calls his magicians. And is this this was the task? Tell me my dream that I had. Can you imagine? Tell me the dream that I had and tell me the interpretation of it. The magicians they'll tell him, King, there's nothing on earth, there's not even a human being that can tell you what was in your dream, let alone even interpret it for you.

SPEAKER_03

Daniel says, Give me a few days or give us some time.

SPEAKER_04

Let us pray, and we're gonna come to you with a dream. Wow. And the dream interpretation. You know how God answered Daniel? Still, he brought a vision or a dream in the middle of the night. He chose not to tell him plainly. So, you have a dream that you don't remember, you have a dream or some sort of like you pray to God, who is the revealer of all mysteries. That's how Daniel handled that. And the scripture says that actually God revealed. Can you imagine? Do you think about this? That you would have a dream, you don't remember, and then you come to me like, I had a dream, I don't remember it. And then I tell you, I'm gonna pray to God. And God will bring the same dream that you had to me. I'll tell you your dream, and I'll tell you the interpretation of it. That's what happened to Daniel. I think that's amazing. To answer that question again, I refer to God is the revealer of all mysteries, he's the one who gives the dream, and all rights of interpretation belongs to God. So to answer your question, why are the tools? The first thing I will say, the Holy Spirit.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

To someone who's listening and you're not a Christian, how do I even find someone that is a Christian or have access? This is an invitation for you that you'll never understand the mysteries of heaven should you not have access. But God is very, very generous, that He causes rain to rain on the just and the unjust. That means not because you're not a Christian doesn't mean that you don't have dreams. Actually, on the contrary, most people have dreams and they have no relationship with God. Pharaoh wasn't a righteous man. Kidnap Cadness wasn't a righteous man. He did not stop God from warning them or giving them a dream. I refer back to Job 33, in the middle of the night, when you asleep, when males fall asleep, when they're slumbering on their bed, God will bring an instruction, a dream, a vision to stop men from stumbling, to forbid them from their pride.

SPEAKER_03

So to use the Holy Spirit, scriptural reasoners, the Bible, community, people of similar value. Not just family members, friends and family of a similar value. Those are some of the things that I start with. Yeah, that's good. Would you say um that you have like a method to dream interpretation?

SPEAKER_04

I know that depending on different people and different giftings of how God has or speaks to somebody, for me, once you tell me your dream, or if I had a dream, I'd love to write it down, first of all.

SPEAKER_03

I love to pray and give thanks for the dream.

SPEAKER_04

If I do that, if I'm trying to seek the interpretation of it, I write it down, I try to map it out, contextualize it. How did it start? How did it end?

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

What is the main focus in this dream? What are subfocuses in the dream? All those things. If you write it down, you start to break down. Because sometimes the message comes like that, and it's the same way. This is how God spoke to Moses when he was trying to ask him to build a tabernacle. He said, build according to the pattern that you've seen. Sometimes God will give you a dream and he wants you to go about it the same way he gave you the pattern, moving from point A to point B. Again, methods for me, I write it down, I pray about it. If it's complex, I can't understand it. I bring people in that I will similar value. What happens if I don't get the interpretation of the dream? The main purpose of the dream is not interpretation. The main purpose of a dream is intimacy with the father. Dreams are about connection. The God in your sleep would come and be intimate with you. This is how Lou Ingle puts it. He said, do not underestimate or just dismiss your dreams. Sometimes angels have to fight through demonic powers to just bring that dream to you. That's just incredible. That angels would have to fight through demonic forces. Do you remember when Daniel was praying? You know, it's like you prayed, God answered right away. But it took me 21 days to bring this message. Wow. That's exactly it.

SPEAKER_03

Wow.

SPEAKER_04

Your dreams are not just dreams. It's just God Himself in the dream. So that's for me was like, no, you cannot just treat a message from God. Today we are reading doing Bible study, and you said there was a prayer by the Apostle Paul, and he said that pray for us and pray for the word of God that it'll be, that will be able to spread rapidly and that it will be glorified. Every single time you take and accept what God has said and believe it, all of a sudden, the word of God gets to be glorified in you, whether it comes through a dream, whether through a prophetic word, or just reopening scripture. Imagine that the word of God gets to be glorified in me. That is life in itself.

SPEAKER_01

You're I just when I think about you in dreams, the word that comes to mind is stewardship. Like you're an excellent steward of the dreams that you receive. And you have such passion to help other people become good stewards of dreams because, like you said, it's it's a language, right? And it's if it's a language, it means that it's communicating something. And so God is speaking to us in this. But that languages that we don't naturally speak or that are not our what do you call it, native language, right? Which dreams are not our native language, require interpretation. So like if you said something to me in Lugandan and I don't know how to speak that language, I don't know what you just said until what you said is interpreted in my language. And so the importance of interpretation, it just to me, I go, yeah, okay, how would I know what God's trying to say unless it be it gets interpreted? It's just you need it.

SPEAKER_04

Let me ask you this question. Yeah. Let's assume there was no any other language spoken in this land or anywhere. Yeah. How much and if it was said to you that the only way for you to hear God's voice was through dreams, how much more would you pay attention to your dreams? Right. Every bit of your fiber will be fighting all night that you would remember what he said. You pay extra attention to details. But because we have the Bible, we think that God only speaks through a written word. Because we have prophetic people around us, then we rely on other people to give us what God has said. Because we have pastors, you know, because we have other means of how God speaks, all of a sudden we ignore some of them. Because, like, I mean, if God wants to speak to me, He will speak to me anyway. Really? So, other to say that if Spanish is the only language spoken in the land, I am going to fight my way to learn Spanish, like it or not.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, it's good.

SPEAKER_04

How much more would you value the voice of God should it be told to you that actually the only way to hear God's voice is through dreams? Wow. That is why. Yeah. Because the the promise is there. You said it last week when we're in the episode one. You said in Acts 2.17, it was said that in the last days, God will pour out his spirit upon all people, all flesh, and your sons and daughters, they'll prophesy, and they'll have dreams and they'll have visions. It is a promise. So that means that I'm not a stranger to dreams because the spirit of God has been poured out. Actually, I want to put it this way: the evidence of that the spirit of God has been poured out is actually most people would have increased level of dreaming because it's a promise right there. That the evidence of his spirit being poured out is increased dreams and visions and prophecy. He didn't say increase the buildings. He didn't say increase the sons and daughters. He said there'll be an increase. There'll be more people prophesying sons and daughters. He's talking about generations.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

So it is not just possible. The evidence of your son, your kids having a relationship with God sometimes is evidenced through dreams and visions. It is their nature, it's who they are. It is within their system, it's within their DNA to have communion with God even when they're asleep.

SPEAKER_01

When you were talking about my dream at the beginning, um, it really only affected me. So it gets me thinking when when God gives us a dream, he's gonna communicate something to us about us. And that's it. He could also give us a dream that's communicating something to one other person. He could also give us a dream, and you can tell me if I'm right or wrong here, that is communicating something to a group of people. Is that accurate? Hundred percent. Okay. So let's say he gives us a dream that is communicating something to a person that's not us or it's a group of people. How do we know when we should share that with the person or group of people? Okay. And and sorry, I'll add this not only when we should, but how we should. That's a beautiful one.

SPEAKER_04

Should you treat the dream that has been given to you and you're thinking maybe this is not just about me but a group of people or someone else? The first place to start is praying into that dream and take that dream back to the one who gave you that dream because he cares about and he knows the purpose of that dream. God will give you discernment. If you can't find that, then a community of people will be able to guide you on hows and like, you know, and ways how to approach that. Because sometimes if you share so quickly, it becomes a detriment to you or becomes an obstacle. So it is the Holy Spirit that will give you a nudge of like when we are jumping on an Uber today, and I really do this. I do it every now and then, but sometimes I'll start a conversation with the Uber driver because I'm thinking God wants to speak to this person, and I know that I know. I don't know how I know, I just know that this is the moment for God to do stuff. So it comes, that's a gift of discernment, you know. So I want to think that, see, this is evidence. Like when I used to, I'm using King Pharaoh's dream so much as an example because he was not a Christian. He was an unrighteous king, killing and persecuting other people. But God gave him a dream that's gonna save not just Egypt as a nation, but also his own people from like the Jewish people. But he didn't give it to Joseph. Can you imagine? Because sometimes we think as Christians that all dreams are going to come through us. You know how arrogant we would be should everything come through Christians? Oh, God knows how to humble us and also he knows how to reach other people that don't know him. I have stories and stories in the Middle East where someone asked to know about God or they didn't even ask, and this white man, a white man who comes to them in a dream and is like, you belong to me. And this person, the next day, they give their life to Jesus because of a dream.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

I just know a woman in LA who she was praying that she gets to be healed of HIV AIDS, and God came to her. Jesus actually came to her in a dream and she's like, No, let me put this on your lips. This has made you well. The next three days, she goes to a blood test, she gives her samples, all of a sudden she's HIV negative, and she was positive for 35 years. Now she's 68. Only through a dream. So only God knows when to bring a dream and when to share it, when it's for you, when it's for someone else. I think I want to put it this way that I love this phrase. The Queen of Sheba, she heard about the beauty and the wisdom that is in King Solomon. She comes to evidence that herself, to witness that for herself. And she made such a statement because of God, because of God's love for the people is put around you, God has made you king. Let me rephrase that through my language of dreams. Because of God's love for the people God has put around you, God has given you a dream for them so that you would serve them well. Dreams are always towards the service to other people, just like any other gift. That's good. When to share, how to share, God is the best person to ask how to do that, when to do that. That's how I answer that question.

SPEAKER_01

So good. I could listen to you talk about this all day. But we need to wrap up. It's time. So would you pray for I I'm gonna let you, you you've got the authority here on dreams. So would you pray however you feel led to pray for our audience? Anybody listening when it comes to dreams, interpreting dreams?

SPEAKER_04

I'd like to end uh this episode that this is not the last time we're going to talk about dreams. Uh, dreams are gonna be a pivotal part of who we are. The reason that's why I say that is for me. Scripture says in Matthew 4, 4 that man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God. That word there is not proceeded. That word there is that proceeds is a continual speaking, it's a continual provision of God's. I live because God speaks. I want to think and I want to believe, and I want to pray the same for you, that actually paying attention to how God speaks, sometimes he will speak in a riddle, in a mystery, in a parable. It is not because he's hiding from you, it's because he's inviting you into a dialogue, into a mystery that is only hidden for you. And the more you dive into and search it out and find the meaning of it, oh, the glory of King is to search that thing out. So I want to pray the same for all of us, that we'll not just have increased level of dreams, but God will also bestow and bring the gift of interpretation to us through community, through people that we do life with, but also that we'll grow in intimacy with God. So, God, I thank you for this episode, and I thank you for our listeners. And I pray that those that want to dream more, you'll give them the ability to dream more. And those that require wisdom, understanding, and discernment, you provide that. And you'll give them a like a wisdom that only you can give that opens up mysteries of what you mean. And I pray for rest for those that need rest, God. I pray that actually there'll be an increased value system put upon men to value voice, whether through a dream, whether through signs and wonders, whether through miracles, whatever way you choose to speak, God, would we say the same? Let be let it be like this kid, you know, uh Samuel in Samuel 3. God, speak, your servant is listening. May we be able to say the same in our sleep. That even in my sleep, like King Solomon will be able to say, God, do A B C D, because I know though I sleep. This is how King Solomon puts it in the Songs of Songs. Though I sleep, yet my heart is awake. Can I pray for the same that will be so dead asleep, yet we'll be so awake to your spirit? I pray that in Jesus' name. Amen. Amen. Amen. Guys, wow. What a joy. I love dreams and we love talking to you and uh equipping you with a few things that we need. Thank you so much for joining us. Nick, thank you so much for serving this community so, so, so powerfully. We are so honored that you get to jump in every now and then. Again, this is the Everything Kingdom podcast. Share, like, leave a comment, put a dream in the uh comment section if you want your dream to be interpreted. We'll be able to reach out back on you. So, other than that, we love you and we want to honor you. Anything else that you want to say, Nick? No, keep advancing the kingdom. I'll say yes and I'll say the same for you. Thank you. We love you, and we'll see you in the next one.