The Woman Who Talks to the Dead - Laura's Story

Rick and Crabby are joined by KASE Paranormal's Lead Medium, Laura who gives an insight on how she realised she was a medium, advice for others and her fascinating day job!

Laura also offers advice to anybody else who believes that they may be a medium.

About KASE Paranormal

KASE Paranormal is a private paranormal investigation team based in Kent, established in 2007. We support households and families experiencing unexplained activity with an evidence-led, grounded approach.

Website: https://www.kaseparanormal.co.uk

Private Investigations: https://www.kaseparanormal.co.uk/private-investigations

Contact: https://www.kaseparanormal.co.uk/contact-us

Transcript

Intro

SPEAKER_03 0:00

It was a specific entity and and obviously I so I believe there to be an elemental spirit there. It felt like there were like about 50 people in that room that were about to rush at us. One thing was hearing something in my car behind me. And that really scared that scared me more than anything that I've actually experienced in any of the locations. I'm not special, I don't have a gift. It's just something that I've worked on developing and anyone, anyone, anyone can do it.

SPEAKER_02 1:12

Once again, we are joined by a very special guest. Uh she is the resident medium psychic witch lady of Kenton Southeast Paranormal. Laura. Hi.

SPEAKER_00 1:27

How are we doing?

SPEAKER_03 1:28

Good guys. I'm so excited. I'm excited to be here.

SPEAKER_02 1:32

You might not be by the end of it. You're finally happy to see our little our little cupboard.

SPEAKER_03 1:37

Yeah. It's a broom cupboard. Harry Potter cupboard. That is a Harry Potter.

SPEAKER_00 1:43

Harry Potter's cupboard, yeah. And I do feel like we've been shoved in here like Harry Potter as well. Yeah. Get in there, you're vermin.

SPEAKER_02 1:51

Are you Uncle Vernon to my Harry Potter?

SPEAKER_00 1:54

I'm not sure. You probably know more Harry Potter than I do. I do. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:57

I'm very good at Harry Potter. I'm sure he does, yeah. You struck me as a Harry Potter nerd.

SPEAKER_03 2:02

I read the books. Yes, I know the books more than the films, to be honest.

SPEAKER_00 2:06

It's better than half the people. Yeah. I've never read the book, so there we go.

SPEAKER_03 2:10

No, I really got into them about twenty years ago now.

SPEAKER_02 2:17

I know.

SPEAKER_03 2:18

I know, it's terrible.

SPEAKER_02 2:19

Sorry, Krabby, we know we're 30s, but sorry.

SPEAKER_03 2:23

Well, he's really old. So like really, really old. Like too old for Harry Potter.

SPEAKER_00 2:28

My knees remind me of how old I am every day. It's fine. So

Crabby's Quirky Questions

SPEAKER_00 2:32

uh welcome to the show, Laura. Thank you. And um before we start, it's time to bring another instalment of Krabby's Quirky Questions. You've been really looking forward to this. I know you have. So this is obviously where each guest of the show will face a bunch of random questions so we get an understanding of who you are. Do we get a jingle? We'll we'll do a jingle eventually. I'm kind of crafting that one in my head and then you've got stock ones. In my dreams, I'm kind of got a jingle going. I'm like, oh my god, that's gonna say, yeah, he probably wakes up. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 3:03

Hears it in his head.

SPEAKER_00 3:04

Yeah, and then I write down the questions that have been in the dream. Alright, so uh we'll start off. So number one, uh occupation.

SPEAKER_03 3:14

It's a tough one. I don't have an official title. It's uh I I work for my in-laws, basically. Um my father-in-law is a reptile breeder. Um that's his passion that he turned into a business. He um bred a new morph of a crested gecko, so he's actually quite known in the community, and I deal with the sort of sales side of things when it comes to like reptile feed. So I basically pack orders, ship them out when stuff comes in from America, and I just work on my own a couple of hours a day, it's brilliant.

SPEAKER_00 3:58

That's a dream. Sounds very Jurassic Parky, doesn't it? It sounds like she also finds a way.

SPEAKER_03 4:03

I I sometimes have snakes with me during the winter because it gets quite cold in the storage unit, so he brings them in too.

SPEAKER_00 4:10

It sounds like a lot of traffic's animals. Absolutely if someone brought in a snake to work. Interestingly, like I'm I'm gone.

SPEAKER_03 4:17

Well, so so yeah, my first reaction, but then you sort of get used to them and they're quite cool to watch, and they don't do much in the winter anyway. But in interestingly, the biggest market for for geckos, South Korea. You wouldn't think that, would you?

SPEAKER_00 4:33

That's weird. Depends what they're doing with them.

SPEAKER_03 4:36

But and as in that that like they will try they would ask him to pay extra money just to be bumped up the list to get the because it takes a couple of years, you know, before he breeds the geckos, they hatch and they get to a point where they can be shipped. Takes a couple of years, and they would just be trying to get into like these bidding wars. And I just think why like why why specifically?

SPEAKER_00 4:59

Again, this is Jurassic Park, it's the amphibian DNA, and they're gonna bring that back. If anybody can bring the dinosaurs back, yeah. Yeah, that's all I'm thinking right now. It's Jeff Gobblem, dino DNA, yeah, mixed with frog and amphibian DNA. Yeah. And that's then you'll see a dinosaur park open up in South Korea in the next 10 years.

SPEAKER_03 5:19

With the name Lily Exotics.

SPEAKER_00 5:23

So business pub there.

unknown 5:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 5:27

She knows.

SPEAKER_00 5:28

She knows what she's up to. You know, she doesn't know, but she knows. She's not here for no reason. She's such lies. Uh Star sign.

SPEAKER_03 5:35

I'm a cancer.

SPEAKER_02 5:37

Do you buy into that?

SPEAKER_03 5:38

Huh?

SPEAKER_02 5:39

You're you're buying. You are a yeah, you're you're a real thing.

SPEAKER_03 5:42

Oh do I like what like astrology? There's some interesting I'm not really I've I've I've I did try to to go a bit deeper into it at one point. Um but never really it never hooked me. There is some interesting things when you look into it, but but then you do the charts and things and the houses and there's so much stuff that goes into it, it just my head doesn't retain that that sort of information. So I'm a water sign emotional, so we know. Just because I'm a woman.

SPEAKER_02 6:14

Wasn't the reason don't get cancelled. It's alright. I've been cancelled before.

SPEAKER_00 6:22

What's your favourite paranormal location to date? Doesn't have to be with case anywhere.

SPEAKER_03 6:27

Oh it'll have to be with case though, because I'm not gonna go like cliche, really no locations. I'll go with Sloughfort. Yeah. Because I've actually been, I got to experience it, and it's yeah, it's pretty intense.

SPEAKER_00 6:42

Uh last time you got scared?

SPEAKER_03 6:44

Funnily enough, coming back from Sloughfort.

SPEAKER_00 6:47

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 6:48

Um well that was so one thing was hearing something in my car behind me. And that really scared that scared me more than anything that I've actually experienced in any of the locations because it was actually in my car. Now I'm hoping it was just me being tired, hearing things, something popped, I don't know. It sounded like a giggle, and it was weird because I was talking about the specific entity that I believe um resides at Slough, and mid-sentence I heard this giggle behind me because I had another person in the car. So that really scared me, and I'm glad I had someone in the car with me. But then got home, I'm in the dark, because my husband's sleeping, the dogs sort of all over me, so I'm saying hello to her, and then I see like a shape coming in. For some reason, my tired brain assumes it's my husband without a word coming in to say hello.

SPEAKER_02 7:50

We've met your husband, we we combined that's fine.

SPEAKER_03 7:53

But then I so I'll go to reach his face, and I just feel fur, and that's my cat, and it scared the living out of me. I jumped back and sort of screamed, and that was the most terrified that I've been that I can, you know, recently for a whole source my cat. Oh yeah, so no ghosts, no demons, just uh living things that your brain sort of reacts to after an investigation at three o'clock in the morning. Yeah, in the dark, yeah, yeah. So it is mostly like the the brain.

SPEAKER_02 8:29

Yeah. So driving home from Sloughfort and I'm look I'm watching black dogs run across the road and I'm like, nope, it's because I am exhausted.

SPEAKER_03 8:37

Yeah, all sorts of things like that. Yeah, seeing seeing shape like I just I do not believe anything that that I see coming back, like coming back from Dover, I had to charge my car um before I set off. So I had about about an hour uh to drive home. And after obviously being in the dark for however many hours, then I'm sort of in that dark garage and I'm seeing all sorts of things. And obviously, when you're charging a car, you're sort of plugged in until you get out and unplug your own car. So that you know, and again, I no I know it's not any ghost, it's my own brain, but but that is I do find those those moments is when you're well when I get m most terrified to be honest. There is safety in numbers as well when it comes to investigation. That's also true.

SPEAKER_00 9:26

Yeah. I mean I've charged my phone, I've never charged a car, so I mean, you know, that can equally be as quite a scary.

SPEAKER_02 9:31

Apparently, reptile apparently reptile breeding is a very lucrative business.

SPEAKER_03 9:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:36

Apparently.

SPEAKER_03 9:38

I'm just an employer.

SPEAKER_02 9:40

Your biggest pet peeve.

SPEAKER_03 9:41

Employee, rather.

SPEAKER_02 9:43

Big Doesn't have to be investigations, just anything anything.

SPEAKER_03 9:49

Lying. Okay. People making up stuff for no reason.

SPEAKER_02 9:53

Yeah. Specifically investigations or no, any anything, anything.

SPEAKER_03 9:58

Just just tell the truth. Just like when people I don't know, um you're you know, you've got a meeting with someone, like even uh an online sort of meeting, and then they come up with the most ridiculous reason as to why they couldn't do it when it's quite obvious they just simply forgot. And I would just appreciate someone saying, I forgot, sorry. You know, just don't lie.

SPEAKER_00 10:21

It's good on. And uh last one. Most important I thought I saw this one and I thought this is I'd be interested in. Where did you see it?

SPEAKER_03 10:29

I thought you wrote them.

SPEAKER_00 10:30

That's a secret. Um crosswords or word searches.

SPEAKER_03 10:35

Oh, word searches, because I'm not very good at crosswords. My nan used to just fill in random letters. I always thought, right, growing up, I thought she was amazing at crosswords, and then she died, and we sort of found all of her.

SPEAKER_00 10:50

You found her old crosswords and you thought I'm gonna double back and check the answer.

SPEAKER_03 10:54

Well, no, I and we would just sort of look as you do, you just open them up and it's just where she didn't know the words, she would just fill in random random random letters just to not leave them empty. And everyone believed that she was just this amazing crossword solving person.

SPEAKER_02 11:11

I have interest, but were they Polish crosswords?

SPEAKER_03 11:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:15

Okay, so they have longer words.

SPEAKER_03 11:17

Longer words different letters.

SPEAKER_00 11:23

Alright, well, that concludes quirky questions. Oh my goodness, I got through them. You did, you got through it very well.

SPEAKER_03 11:31

He's been threatening these questions, guys, for I don't know how long, a couple of weeks now.

SPEAKER_00 11:36

They will change weekly, bi weekly.

SPEAKER_03 11:38

I'm not gonna be here every every week.

SPEAKER_00 11:40

Obviously, you can watch them and you go, Oh, why didn't the answer?

SPEAKER_03 11:43

I'll write I'll write them down just in case, and then memorise the answers for the next time.

SPEAKER_02 11:48

So

Everyone Has an Extra Sensory Perception

SPEAKER_02 11:49

I think we're all here for the elephant in the room.

SPEAKER_00 11:53

Uh-huh. Are we?

SPEAKER_02 11:54

We are. Alright. And and that is that I don't I don't want to sound like a bad person. You claim that you have a extrasensory perception?

SPEAKER_03 12:06

No.

SPEAKER_02 12:06

No?

SPEAKER_03 12:07

No, no, everyone does.

SPEAKER_02 12:09

Okay, everybody does, sorry.

SPEAKER_03 12:11

Yeah, yeah. Um Yeah, but you're more cheaper. I'm not special, I don't have a gift. It's just something that I've worked on developing and anyone, anyone, anyone can do it.

SPEAKER_02 12:27

So to all those people out there that say you're you're a gifted. No, born with it. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_03 12:33

No, no. Some people sure, maybe they are sort of b born with No, everyone's born with it. And perhaps some people just don't lose it.

SPEAKER_00 12:45

Do you think it's like tuning into a radio?

SPEAKER_03 12:48

Yes. Basically. I think we all have it. We all have the gut feeling. You've all, you know, every single person has walked into a room and and known someone's had an argument. They've they could tell coming back from school that the parents were fighting. Um you can tell someone's watching you, you know, there's there's all sorts of sort of scientific explanations as to why we have the ability to know when someone's watching us, but still doesn't explain how you actually know it. Um so it it is tuning, it's basically it's tuning out the noise that we're all surrounded by nowadays. Um and whether it's technology, media, um, just everyday problems, it's about tuning that out and just sort of listening to your own intuition, I guess. Um and through doing that you can then what I believe I don't have the answers, I don't I don't claim to have the answers, but I think that you can learn to yeah, tune into these different different frequencies where you can actually receive information and uh and work with it. And uh and anyone can can learn to do that.

SPEAKER_02 14:06

Uh

Where It All Started

SPEAKER_02 14:07

and forgive me, you're only a couple years older than me. At what point did you sit there and go I'm I'm hooked in?

SPEAKER_03 14:17

Well, so I've had an interest my whole life. I've not had any really experiences until I was turning 30. So my mum my mum was has always been really tuned in. Like she's had precognitive dreams, very specific dreams, like she would wake up and have, you know, w uh out of a dream about a friend that she's not spoken to in months, and could very specifically describe the situation in the dream, and then that would make her go and call the friend, and then someone would confirm that actually the thing that she was dreaming about is happening. So, like her friend moving to a different country for this specific job, you know, she woke up, rang the friend, and it was the daughter who answered the phone and confirmed that they were actually on the way to that country to do that job that she was dreaming about. Um has seen things like she the her first experience that she can remember is seeing um falling asleep when she was about seven. And um she said she w she it was a bunk bed and she was on the lower level. And her parents would put chairs next to the bunk bed so that she couldn't see the TV because it was quite a small place. Obviously, this is back in the 60s, quite a small place, they wanted to watch TV, they didn't want the kids watching, so they would put up chairs and she says she remembers one night waking up, this was you know, everyone's asleep at this point, and she looks over and the chair, one of the chairs, is sliding out and back in and out and back in. And she knows and she's saying she, you know, yeah, you could say she was asleep, she was dreaming, but she she's convinced that actually really happened. Um, and then she worked in a really haunted like nursing home, officially a residential home, but it was really a nursing home in Maidstone, where she's experienced lots of stuff alongside all the other carers. Um so while I was always exposed to it. It was always it it was never ridiculed in my in my house, it was always sort of accepted as this this is what happens. People have these experiences and it's it's kind of normal, like it's not normal. We know it's not normal, but it but it happens. Um don't know what it is, but it happens. And I've just always wanted to have an experience of some kind and I never understood why, because you know you hear of these psychics and mediums and how it goes down the line and it's like through the mother, through the women in the family, and nothing ever happening to me. And when my nan died, everyone, every one of us grandchildren uh has had well I say everyone, except for me, everyone had some kind of sign, and then there was nothing. Um so I never understood it, and then I was turning 30 and something switched, and I started feeling things and hearing things and things I shouldn't have known. Um, really random things. Well the the the first thing was quite big and it was a bit too big and I dismissed it. Um and it's quite a known thing now that I've obviously been in you know reading it reading into it. The people call it like paranormal apathy. Well something happens that really challenges your worldview and you'll push it away because it it just it's a bit too much, so people just don't even like they'll forget about it. Um Did you want to elaborate on what that so I was watching TV with my husband um just a random I don't know news was on or something and I'm sitting there watching TV and in my head I hear like a sentence being said and then a few seconds later that same sentence is being said on the TV by the person you know by one of the hosts and it wasn't like it wasn't like a deja vu moment, that's not it didn't feel like that. It I just heard it in my head and then it happened and I turned to my husband and I said I just heard that like I just heard that in my head. And he said, What what do you mean? I said I d the things that he just said, I heard it in my head a moment ago, and then I just moved on, like it was too much. It it just it it didn't make I was like what that really just happened and I know obviously again lots of explanations potentially, but but when you know something, like you n you know it's not normal, like it wasn't just my normal thoughts. Um but then I yeah again I just sort of moved on and and then from that point on it was m things are a bit more subtle that I think looking back now, I think it was supposed to be because it was such a shock to me that first thing, it needed to be a bit more subtle for me to actually start paying attention and not dismiss it. So it would be random things like I'm walking up to Asda about to grab a trolley and I know that as I'm about to touch it, the wheel's going to be broken. And then I just touch it and and it and it is and again it's like it almost like you don't know it until you know it, like you don't realize it until it's it's happening. And I'm like, wait, I just I knew that. I knew this was gonna happen. Why did I why did I know this? Things like that. Or or I you know I have a uh like a shark hoover that I need to charge and put on charge. Usually like it flashes lights when it's fully charged, the lights go off completely. So I'm walking past this, so this is hours later. I'm walking past it, the lights are off, I know for a fact it's not charged. Like I know something's happened to it. So then I unplug it, plug it back in, lo and behold, it's not charged. Now there was nothing there to tell me, do you know what I mean? That it wasn't charged because when it's fully charged, it just switches off. It doesn't, it doesn't, there's no indication. So I I should have just thought it's fully charged, but for some reason I I had a feeling I knew it wasn't. Um so things like that, and and because obviously my mum has had an interest and she works with someone who works as a medium um at her current job, she she sort of put me in touch with him and he was able to direct me to the the right places in the areas and I didn't realise just how many people there were in Maidstone, Medway, you know, just generally in Kent that are really into it, that are working, you know, whether they work as mediums or not, but they're they're aware of what's happening and um it's amazing just you know, just the sheer amount of people that that are into it.

Why Did Laura Join KASE Paranormal

SPEAKER_00 21:32

Okay, well I mean that's great. I mean we can come back to it, but I mean let's talk about case. So um when did you join CACE and what made you join, I guess? What what made you what what what's made you kind of transition from having the experience like you know, your mediumship and then you kind of wanting to join Case?

SPEAKER_03 21:52

So uh the paranormal investigation I guess goes back even before the mediumship, because again, like I say, I've always had an interest. Always wanted like I watched all the YouTube shows. I think it sort of started in COVID. Like I said, always been into it. Always been into like Bigfoot UFO. You know, even a teenager where I had my laptop and I was able to just look things up and I'd be in my bedroom just watching documentaries and ancient aliens and all that sort of thing. Most haunted and literally, yeah, anything.

SPEAKER_00 22:25

I've never watched it, but um you two must talk episodes.

SPEAKER_03 22:28

Yeah. But you know, the Anunnaki and all that sort of thing.

SPEAKER_02 22:32

Do you believe in the Anunnaki?

SPEAKER_03 22:34

It's interesting, the Sumerian tablets, you know.

SPEAKER_02 22:37

Sorry, for Collie, do you know who the Anunnaki are?

SPEAKER_01 22:39

Oh no, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 22:40

Those who came from the heavens.

SPEAKER_02 22:41

Are they coming back?

SPEAKER_03 22:42

On the Are they already here?

SPEAKER_02 22:45

Essentially the Anunnaki are a race of superior beings.

SPEAKER_03 22:50

But it translates directly to those who came from the heavens.

SPEAKER_00 22:52

Yeah, like, you know, just peeling off the mask.

SPEAKER_03 22:55

You're a reptile.

SPEAKER_02 22:56

One of their geckos.

SPEAKER_03 23:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:04

As a slave race.

SPEAKER_03 23:05

Well yeah. Well, you know, what is the explanation for the leap anyway?

SPEAKER_00 23:10

I do find it fascinating, I must admit. I'm looking forward to disclosure day when that comes out if that's touching on that kind of subject.

SPEAKER_02 23:16

Apparently they they exist on a distant planet at the edge of our solar system and they will be coming round again soon.

SPEAKER_03 23:22

Again. Or rather, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:24

Who knows I'll look forward to that.

SPEAKER_03 23:26

Yeah. I want to believe. Anyway. Sorry about the case.

SPEAKER_00 23:30

Case. Join the case.

SPEAKER_03 23:31

So so, yeah, really into it. Then I was doing my mediumship. I never you know, I I've always wanted to do it. I was a bit too chicken to just go ahead and get a camera and go out there and do things myself. My husband have asked like he has asked me in in the past to go and explore the m the um Chatham tunnels and places with him and just even the two of them. I was like, it's not it's not happening. I'm not doing that.

SPEAKER_00 23:58

Um we can gum, we can do that.

SPEAKER_03 24:00

No, but this is what I'm saying. So so you know, I've I've was too scared to just go out there and do it to start doing it myself. Always wanted to, but I didn't have a team. I'm with you, you know. Um and and so I just watched these these paranormal channels and just really wanted to. A lot of them, unfortunately, have turned out to be quite disappointing over the years. But um then obviously then I got into the mediumship side of things, and then I thought, well, I d I can't remember. It was like one weekend basically, just it came to me, you know. I was sitting there on the sofa and it came to me like, should I should I reach out? Should I find like a paranormal team? And I look I looked at I googled it like a local team, looked at a few websites and cases website came out who came up, um, and I just really loved it the way it like presented itself, you know, the team, the the way that it just seemed very grounded and balanced and the the worst thing I'd like I'd worst thing for me would have been joining a team where people just go in and scream and and provoke like provoking was the worst thing that that would be a complete you know I'd never watch that that channel again on YouTube um because it's it it just it's weird. Um and and bec because of despite you know calling myself a medium, um I am very sceptical and I'm very logical.

SPEAKER_02 25:34

I was just about to ask you this, where do you s where do you stand?

SPEAKER_03 25:37

I don't even know. Like I don't know. I don't have the answer, you know. I don't even know if I had like an actual apparition just walk in front of me if I if I would say yeah, that's a ghost. Like I would start thinking, Am I hallucinating?

SPEAKER_00 25:50

I think we're getting a generic theme here, aren't we? It is, yeah. I mean whether you see something or you're always gonna question it.

SPEAKER_02 25:58

Because interestingly enough, I had the same answer to my question, which was Are you a believer? And I said, Look, even if something walked in front of me, I still would I'd still go, that isn't right.

SPEAKER_03 26:08

And then because what is a ghost like that's another thing. What is a ghost? Is it actually assault? You know, like what it w if we're talking about um stone tape theory and like just recordings, rigid residual energy, that's not the same as an intelligent spirit. So, but they're both ghosts. But like what what you know, what is that? What is the actual scientific explanation behind it? Because I believe that despite us calling it paranormal at the moment, I don't think that it's something it's not supernatural, which is a separate thing. I I just think it's beyond our current scientific understanding.

SPEAKER_01 26:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 26:47

So that's that's where I'm at. Like what you know, what is it? Yeah, what is it?

SPEAKER_00 26:51

Yeah, I I agree with you. I mean, d do you I mean, I don't know if we've touched upon this before, but do you do you think like the spiritual world is just a frequency that we're not attuned to?

SPEAKER_03 27:02

But that's the thing, I think we are I think we are if we really pay attention to it.

SPEAKER_00 27:06

You need to learn to tune into that frequency.

SPEAKER_03 27:08

Yeah, I think we it's not it's not a a a world that's sort of separate to ours.

SPEAKER_02 27:14

I think it's all connected, it's all Do you think that we've lost ability as a as a I do, I do.

SPEAKER_03 27:20

I I I've always felt, and this is going back ye I mean years, you know, back to me being a teenager and sort of looking into everything, and I've always felt that you know those uh peoples that we call like primitive, like you know, tribes in the Amazon or still people that we we haven't contacted, or even going back thousands of years where we see those people as, you know, like cavemen. I think we're just being really ignorant because I think they had abilities that we don't.

SPEAKER_02 27:51

Well yeah, I suppose you you think about ancient ancient man, they say that we had the smell on comparison with a dog, but we've lost that over time because we've not evolved to need it and it's and we're now in a world where we don't need to hunt, we don't need to forage. So do you think that's that's along the same lines or we've just done it?

SPEAKER_03 28:08

I do, I do, I do, I do. I do because it is it is a genuine I think it's a genuine ability like I say, I I believe everyone's got it, but w there's just so much noise nowadays that we we lose that ability and and it gets sort of you know it gets slapped out of us as well because you're supposed to be serious, you're supposed to be you know And you're weird And you're weird and and career's the thing that you need to be worried about and money and blah blah blah blah blah and it just you know like don't be concerning yourself with these silly things because you know be a serious person. Um and I just think it's it's just sad because it really opens up a lot of things and um it makes it it has made my world a lot richer and has made me become a lot more understanding and compassionate and patient and um and I just think we could all do with with some of that at the moment, especially.

Slough Fort's Elemental Haunting and Why It's Stuck With Laura

SPEAKER_00 29:07

And um is there an investigation that's kind of stuck with you? Did you say Sloughfort or is there another place?

SPEAKER_03 29:13

Sloughfort, for sure. Sloughfort was again medium, but you know, you you doubt yourself a lot um about everything. It's like is it what I'm sensing or is it because you know, it because I'm picking up on someone else or you know, on just someone someone's subtle cues of the way that say Dan's behaviour you know what I mean, in a room or like maybe I overheard something or um but Slough thought when we walked into that lower magazine, um just Dan and myself, no one else there. I can't I can't even describe the feeling.

SPEAKER_02 29:54

So did you have because I know Dan and myself have had very positive experiences in the lower magazine of Sloughfort and I know that then there's some others that have had very negative experiences that they felt of of really I had it it's neutral.

SPEAKER_03 30:10

It's neutral to me. It's not negative, it's not positive. It was super intense. Super intense. It was we walked in there and it felt like and I don't know if that's because so driving up to Sloughfort that first time, and I've never felt anything like it before or since I could feel the location being excited. It was the strangest thing, like I could feel it coming coming around those fields and that bend, and obviously I didn't know where we were going at that point, but I could just feel stuff building.

SPEAKER_02 30:41

I think it's important to note that before our investigations you do not know where we are going.

SPEAKER_03 30:45

No, no, when it's a new location, I I I have asked, so this was when I first joined, and to answer that question, that was back in September. Um I I don't want to know where we're going, so the the the protocol, if you like, is that um Dan and I have a meeting point which is some distance away from the location, um, and then I follow him basically in my car. Um so that I I don't have any preconceived notions. I know that I'm not going to be researching anything, but obviously that um helps the team know that I'm not going to be doing any of that, but it is also for my own benefit because even just knowing the name of the location, obviously that can give a away a lot of details. So I just I'd like to not know because if I can't trust what I'm getting because I know certain things, then obviously that's gonna interrupt.

SPEAKER_02 31:42

I have interest. How did you feel this time? Because I'll say this because I it was my first time the same night was your first time, and I felt just as you felt that there was a palpable atmosphere, yeah, that there was something there that I was having a credible experience. Yeah, I couldn't have felt more opposite this time. I felt like something had been sucked out of it and that it was completely soulless.

SPEAKER_03 32:11

So it yeah, it was still there. It was still there. Kirsty and I um on the on the drive home, we were saying we both felt this, that it was almost like it was on another sort of frequency, like it was still there, but it was just sort of quite a little bit out of reach. But then there was a point where Dan and I, because I kept staring into this doorway area, feeling yeah. So we were in the big we were in the big room and then just staring into that doorway. Um and you could say it's a dark doorway and it's gonna draw your attention, but we had the laser grid and stuff set up, so it wasn't quite as dark. But I could just it was something.

SPEAKER_02 32:56

I know what you mean, because early on in the investigation I thought I saw something move. Only a fraction.

SPEAKER_01 33:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:02

But I thought I I said to myself, no, it's my eyes. Yeah. I just but it was that exact, that big part of the magazine of the bag, and it's that door off to your right. Yeah. Yeah, and I thought I saw something.

SPEAKER_03 33:12

And that's what I so I saw movement there, and then so the Dan, we were we both thought we were seeing things until we compared notes and we basically saw the same thing. But when so I walked up there and as I walked up there, I could feel it. I could f I could feel it again. Not quite as as as much as as before, but it was there, and Dan came over and he he said independently that he he he said it's it's back here. And then as the cameras were moving around, it was moving around. So when the cameras came closer, it went away. But I think it just sort of stayed out of out of reach a little bit. Whatever the reason, we don't know. We we you know, we'll never understand probably. Hopefully we we can um edge a little bit closer to understanding what's going on, but but that first time, for the first time ever in you know in my life, walking into it, new location, never heard of it before. So even as we arrived and I saw the name, I'd I've never heard of it. Um I wasn't said you know, I wasn't told anything about that that area in particular either. But as we walk into it, like my whole body was just covered in goosebumps, and then we walked into that room, we walked around it, he showed me like he didn't even tell me certain things. I was pointing out things and he was confirming this is what people have said on previous location uh previous investigations. But as we did the loop, it we both said we need to leave right now. It felt like there were like about 50 people in that room that were about to rush at us. Like that it f it it just felt like we were about to get stormed by some like a crowd of people and it was so strong that we both said look we have to leave. We said we have to leave right now. Um and uh and I've yeah, you can't really like when you've experienced something like that you don't really know what to what to say because it's no different to any of the other investigations that we've been to where I've sort of picked up on something and he's confirmed, yep, this is what you know the process wasn't any different, so it's not like him confirming what I was sort of feeling, then built up to this incredible energy feeling because we we do this every time and that's never happened before, and then it hasn't happened now, and again, so you could because you could say, Oh, we're going back, I've had this experience, and if it's just in my head, then that would, you know, it would reason that that I would feel it again in the same way because I'm expecting it, but it didn't happen, it didn't happen this time.

SPEAKER_02 36:09

Yeah, I think it only leads to more uh solidifying your experience first time round. Because that's how I that's how I think Slow fought this time, because I had that experience and I thought, wow, what fantastic, and I left here this time feeling a bit disappointed. But I think that solidifies the individual experience I had at the start.

SPEAKER_03 36:27

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:28

That's like going on a fishing trip and you might have caught loads of the nut the time before, but this time you come away with nothing.

SPEAKER_03 36:34

It's very simple.

SPEAKER_00 36:35

That's how I kind of look at it. Yeah, it goes to uh investigating or paranormal investigating. Yeah, it's very much like being on a fishing trip.

SPEAKER_03 36:43

And you get just enough from time to time, same same as gambling, I suppose. Just enough from time to time to keep you going. Keep you gonna be yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:51

You get little wins, little wins in the game, you know what, next time I'll I'll win big next time. That's a good point, that's a good way of looking at it.

SPEAKER_02 36:57

Yeah, every single time it's a we'll win big next time.

SPEAKER_03 37:00

Yeah, because you never know, but that's the thing, it's like you never know. It might be, you know, I'm I might have been there at that time that Dan caught the apparition on camera. Like it it could happen again next time. It happened once before.

SPEAKER_00 37:13

You know that for uh you know Slough Fort was dug out.

SPEAKER_03 37:17

Yeah, so so after our experience, I think it was after, because we came up with some sort of theory on on the night because it felt like when we were in the main bit, it felt like the energy was sort of looping around, and we couldn't quite understand what was happening because it would loop around, you'll go to the other side. I think you guys on the other team were having experiences then when we were sort of losing it, but then we would all lose it, and we didn't quite understand what was going on until someone found out that there was a a whole other side to it that hasn't yet been dug out, and then it sort of clicked because it seems to me, or at least that's how it felt like on on the night, that where it was looping around and then we we would all lose it, I feel like it was going round to the side that we don't have access yet, and I'd love to be able to go back obviously once hopefully they dig it out, we can go back and investigate.

SPEAKER_00 38:17

Do you think it's geophermic energy like within the grounds itself?

SPEAKER_03 38:20

No well, I don't know. No the answer is that.

SPEAKER_00 38:24

I'm just saying because obviously you uh you you you mentioned that on the way there you were feeling the energy, you felt that the the place was kind of excited to be explored.

SPEAKER_03 38:32

That felt like an intelligent haunting though. Oh it felt like an intelligent haunting.

SPEAKER_00 38:36

It wasn't like the location was trying to get attention.

SPEAKER_03 38:38

No, it it was it was a specific entity and and obviously I so I believe there to be an elemental spirit there, um, just based of uh on well, first of all, it just came to me immediately for no reason when we when we walked in there, like it just popped into my head, um, and obviously the whole thing about developing mediumship, blah blah blah blah they teach it as trust your the first thing that comes like there was no reason for it to pop into my head like that. And then doing sort of further research and it makes sense with the forts and it's right next to the water and the the you know whatever humanoid thing that was caught on camera that no one could quite explain. Um the first time I open the door, I walk in there and I hear bells, and I was chasing that sound for the entire night, like just looking around, kicking things, seeing if I could replicate it, couldn't. Um, again, that's another sign of an elemental haunting, the chasing behaviour that you know people experience, mainly Darren. Um, like playful, neither positive nor negative, the new neutral, very intense. Um sort of liminal spaces, the fact that you will have um lots of activity and then all of a sudden nothing. Like that's another thing, they will just you know, stop it.

SPEAKER_00 40:01

Um if people I've experienced that quite a lot.

SPEAKER_03 40:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:05

Like one minute you're in a hive of something and then boom, yeah, it's gone. Yeah, whatever was there is just completely disappeared.

SPEAKER_03 40:11

The looping as well is is um, you know, that could be residual, but but that is also one aspect of elemental hauntings. Um and it just and that's crazy as it and it genuinely sounded crazy. Like to my I I was saying it on the night because it was coming to me, but I was like, I'm I'm sounding like a like a crazy person right now. Like, and this is gonna be on the camera, this is on the recording, it's just me going on about elemental like this is what what am I, who am I? Um and as crazy as it still sounds, it just makes sense. Like I d I can't explain why it makes so much sense to me. Um and then at the same time I think if we believe anything, if we be b believe that a a human soul can stay on this earth and turn into, you know, turn a location into a haunted location, then why why can't we accept that nature spirits believe because that's to me, if you really think about it, that's as natural as anything, really. If we we believe in these energies and everything's sort of connected, which I do, um then stands the reason that you'll have, you know, these spirits that guard certain places and and they take care of of nature itself and work in in harmony, and as long as you know we respect their space, they'll be okay.

Mediumship Explained and The Positive and Negative Connotations

SPEAKER_00 41:30

I just want to talk to you about your mediumship, because like obviously we haven't got endless amounts of time, but I think the mediumship is a good good subject to cover, mainly because of um I would say maybe the the positive and the negative connotations between like you know from what people think of mediumship. So for example, I don't know if you if you know the Darren Brown, the the magician, if you want to call him that. But he did an expose on mediumship and you know, m mediumship in terms of you know people doing it for like monetary purposes and all of that, like you know, what what what what's your take on that?

SPEAKER_03 42:07

People for sure do it for men for for you know, there's lots of frauds out there, I'm sure of it. As a scam, yeah, as a scam. I mean, yeah, especially if people can do it, and I can see myself how I I could there are you know times where I could I could do it if I really wanted to, if I was that type of person. Um because you will pick up on some things that you could then turn into, you know, just cold readings or whatever. Um I I I I want to be as honest as I can about it. I do s I I because I truly believe there's something there. I do think there's a lot of um misconceptions about how it actually works. Um, you know, because people say, well, if you're a medium, why don't you just play the lottery and and win, you know, because you shouldn't you should know the numbers, like you should be able to predict what the numbers are going to be. That's not how it works. Um you know, the information that you that that one receives. Obviously, there's lots of different types of so we call them clear senses. So there's clearvoyance, which is clear seeing, um clear audience, which is clear hearing, clear sentience, which is clear um feeling, and clear cognizance, which is clear knowing. So that feeling that I was saying about the trolley, that'd be clear cognizance. That's I I just know something, don't know why. Um, you know, when I I feel like something's not right for me, that'd be clear sentient, like just that gut feeling, clear sentience. If I see something, clairvoyance, and then if I hear in my head like I did the TV, that's clear audience. And most of the time you'll just get snippets of sort of everything. And it I heard someone uh describe it as um uh paranormal charade like charades that you just sort of you get pieces of information you're supposed to put it together and then maybe it fits. Um so yes, you don't get clear information, you know, at least not most of the time. You won't just get, you know, I won't have your family member just walk into this room and and tell me all of the information that they need to uh pass on to you. It's you know, I'll get a flash of red. And that flash of red I know is an apple. And that apple I know is an apple pie. And that is something that your nan made. Just, you know, it like I and it literally will come from like a flash of something in my head, or like a flash of blue, and I know that that's related to water, and that water then leads on to turtle and turtle, and because you went to the zoo. I don't know how it actually happens and it's not very accurate a lot of the time. And that's that's how you that's what you work on basically is to receive clear and clear information. But it's not, you know, it's not like a film. Like maybe some people do it, maybe some people do. I I have worked with mediums who, you know, have done this for 30 odd years and they've never seen an apparition, they've never seen a ghost, they've never actually seen anything. Okay. They just receive information just through knowing, or they use cards and things, and they just know that something sounds right or feels right, and that's you know. Um now when it comes to like exposing mediums and things like that, again, for sure there's frauds a hundred percent. Um, however, it does, and and this will sound like a cop-out, it's not, it's just how it works. It has to go both ways. So when you're reading for someone, that person, it's very hard to read for people who just want to catch you out, and they they're they're there as a skeptic to you know you can be skeptical a hundred percent, be skeptical that that will only help. Um, but don't be coming into it from like a negative point where like I'm I'm gonna prove you're wrong, I'm gonna because it's not gonna work, like it's just not gonna work. Yeah, um, and yeah, it it you have to be open yourself to it, and I'm not saying give out information to the medium, but you have to be like you you know, if I was reading to you, I would need some kind of confirmation about what I'm saying because I could be saying something wrong, but that's because it's my interpretation of it that's wrong, and then I have to go back and sort of re-evaluate, you know, if you say no, that doesn't make sense, I then go back and re-evaluate. Whereas if I'm just I'm getting nothing from you, like I don't know. You know what I'm saying? And I'm not this isn't it's separate from like a cold reading, it's just knowing at least that I'm on the right track, and perhaps it's just me being so fresh to it and I'm still developing, but you know what I mean? Yeah, like I'm yeah, I'm not looking for information, but I I do need to have that connection with with someone because then it helps me as well, it helps my confidence. Because if I get flustered, because I feel like the person's not like they're just not responding at all, and so everything I'm saying must be completely wrong. I'll get flustered, I'll get anxious, I'll and you know, it's like you start thinking, and then it's what they say, you know, don't think because you lose the link.

SPEAKER_01 47:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 47:17

Um, because it is about stepping out from that sort of logical thinking brain.

SPEAKER_00 47:23

Yeah, I mean I've got so many questions to ask you, but we're not gonna have enough time. Do I've got one more? I've got one more. Yeah.

Laura's Advice For Anybody Who Believes They Might Be A Medium

SPEAKER_02 47:30

What would you say to anybody out there that believes that they might be uh a potential medium? What would you say just to them?

SPEAKER_03 47:38

Um, boundaries, first of all. Boundaries. So if you're being um interrupted, if your daily life is being interrupted, if you're waking up in the middle of the night and you feel like you're being interrupted, um just say don't do that. Don't do it. I I'm I appreciate what you're doing, I appreciate you're trying to communicate. This tends to be what we call the the uh spirit team. Um just say um I appreciate you want to contact me, I appreciate you want to communicate, um, but please do it when I'm ready.

SPEAKER_02 48:13

Um during office hours.

SPEAKER_03 48:17

Uh and then I would say meditation, it's not needed, it's not necessary. I I've fallen out of the practice a little bit lately, but it really helps. And the most um sort of poignant experiences I've had were during meditation, you know, a lot of insight, that sort of thing. So I would take even just five minutes just to and again a lot of misconception, it's not about you know silencing the mind, it's not about getting rid of your thoughts, it's about being able to connect with yourself and connect and actually and actually listening to what's what's in your head.

SPEAKER_00 48:51

Um you say that.

SPEAKER_03 48:55

Yeah, I've always said that. But you can.

SPEAKER_00 48:58

As you know, I've become a little bit in tune in in the last kind of two years.

SPEAKER_03 49:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 49:03

Mainly because of a lot of stuff that's happened at my house, or foreseeing stuff in dreams and then writing it down and then making other people aware of it, and then it and then it being very close to the cuff on something that we've then gone on investigating, which I find quite interesting. I do actually have something to speak to you about after this. Okay. Just a quick one. Matt Fraser. Do you know him?

SPEAKER_03 49:25

No.

SPEAKER_00 49:26

Oh. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 49:27

Well, sorry to disappoint.

SPEAKER_00 49:29

I was gonna say, what's your thoughts? Real or not real? Or is he called? No, no, but this guy's famous. This is an American guy who does tours. He's uh he used to be um a doctor, he used to work as a as um um a paramedic, and he was also, I think he was an actual doctor as well, and he was so um in tune with speaking to spirits, spirits talking to him, he's he's now a full-time kind of you know doing live tours all over the world.

SPEAKER_03 49:57

Um I mean it's I d I don't know the guy, but but it's possible. I do think that uh and you'll you will find this as well. Um even going out to these locations because you open yourself up, you you know, because you're going there to actually you want to experience something, so naturally you've got you become more into even just because you are tuning your senses to to to exp you know to pick up on things, to see those shadows, to listen to those sounds. So that's meditation, by the way. What you do in that in the that that is what meditation is, it's you you stop listening to the noise in your head and you're listening out for everything else. And I just wanted to add one last thing for someone who might need help. Um reach out or find out where your nearest spiritualist church is, not from the religious standpoint, because it didn't work for me, um, but they will know who like they will either be running a development circle or they will know of someone who is, and that is how you can find help, and people will actually be able to direct you into you know or or or help you direct whatever's going on uh into something a bit more productive.

SPEAKER_00 51:11

Obviously, this is an introduction to you, so obviously we can come back, we can do another hour episode on mediumship. I could talk about it for hours. I would love to have you back after the next one, the one that you don't know about.

SPEAKER_02 51:21

Yes. Yeah, yeah, me too, actually. Yeah, I would love to have you back after that one, because that'd be really cool. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 51:26

I keep getting a a thing come to me about that one. Tell us then quick. It's a we it's a weird one. It's um uh bit cliche again, but it's it's a uh like a white lady, I guess. Like a lady in white, but but she's a Victoria Vic Victorian, but it's like a Victorian. I say that because she's dressed in like a Victorian clothing and I can tell she's got black hair, but the whole thing seems very white to me. I don't know why that is, and the the name Mary keeps popping into my head.

SPEAKER_00 51:56

It's always Mary, isn't it?

SPEAKER_03 51:57

I know, this is what I'm saying. It's a very generic. I've said it to Dan.

SPEAKER_00 52:01

Start child in my Derek Cora in a minute.

SPEAKER_03 52:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 52:04

But there we go. So before you reveal obviously where we are next time, it's now noted that that is what you know. Can I confirm that you do not know our next location?

SPEAKER_03 52:14

I know it's in Derby. That's it though, you don't know I think that's it, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 52:19

Yeah? Fantastic.

SPEAKER_00 52:21

I think I I don't know anything about it. I I know absolutely nothing, and I've not heard any stories relating to a woman in white called Mary. No, so if we get there and then you know, Mary's there and she's you know. She'll come out and say hi now.

SPEAKER_02 52:38

Yeah.

Outro

SPEAKER_00 52:39

I think that's it for this week, right? Yeah, I mean, thank you. Oh thank you. And we will definitely get you back and we'll talk more about mediumship because I still have loads of questions. You can then find out about Matt Fraser, and then we can also talk about mediums who help the FBI in solving cases and finding bollies. That's something I'm not able to talk to you because we've run out of time.

SPEAKER_02 53:01

But that's always the way, isn't it? It is right. Thank you very much for joining us for episode four of Case Files. Laura, we thank you very much for joining us today. Um remember, guys, if you'd like to like, subscribe, follow us on Amazon Music, all the bits and pieces, Spotify, Apple.

SPEAKER_00 53:17

And I think also important, if you do have questions for Laura about mediumship as well, or you know, you know, you you might be completely sceptical on the on the subject, but you might have an interest in it as well, or there might be something that you generically just want to know, then obviously drop us a comment and we can answer that for you.

SPEAKER_03 53:34

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SPEAKER_02 53:42

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SPEAKER_03 53:51

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SPEAKER_02 54:04

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SPEAKER_00 54:08

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