Are These Monsters Real? Laura and Rick Discuss Cryptids

With Crabby absent, Laura joins Rick in the studio to explore a shared passion - Cryptids. They each pick a creature, tell its story, and deliver their verdict on whether it could be real. 

From the Bat Beast of Kent to the terrifying Dogman, this one's a wild ride into the unknown.

Mentioned in this Episode

Paul Sinclair (Truth Proof): https://youtube.com/@paulsinclairtruth-proof 

The Confessionals Podcast: https://youtu.be/d8E3Zx08u1U?si=BP6ckzYsqjJ9ldrp 

Andy McGrath (IMDb): https://www.imdb.com/name/nm11519013/bio/

About KASE Paranormal

KASE Paranormal is a private paranormal investigation team based in Kent, established in 2007. We support households and families experiencing unexplained activity with an evidence-led, grounded approach.

Website: https://www.kaseparanormal.co.uk

Private Investigations: https://www.kaseparanormal.co.uk/private-investigations

Contact: https://www.kaseparanormal.co.uk/contact-us

Transcript

Intro - Rick's Back and He Has News!

SPEAKER_01 0:00

And then as he got back into his truck, um he started seeing sort of almost like a shadow on the side of the truck. Now this is a a a long haul truck we're talking about, it's not a car. And this thing is keeping up with it. Um like he looks over and he sees a wolf head in the window and a and a hand trying to. So it's got to be some sort of like eight and a half foot. Well, he said it was it was a horse, it was like a horse-sized wolf, basically. Um, and he actually claims to have Sean Gilled it.

SPEAKER_03 0:34

Really?

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And he saw he saw it go, he saw it get get get stiff, sort of, you know, um roll behind the truck. Um he pulled over, he got out. He could see the evidence of it rolling, like all the debris and stuff, but the thing was nowhere to be seen. Like a few days later, he gets a random check from the federal government.

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Oh no, really.

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And they say to him that you have eliminated one of our assets.

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You are joined here today by Rick, and unfortunately not Krabby.

SPEAKER_01 1:39

Um Krabby's been talking lots about you not being here and now he's skiving off.

SPEAKER_02 1:43

I know, but I do have a suitable replacement. Uh so that's good. Only suitable. Welcome back to our resident medium Laura.

SPEAKER_01 1:54

Welcome, welcome, thank you very much. Thank you for having me again. I'm excited, excited to be back.

SPEAKER_02 1:59

Good. Come back to join the little closet.

SPEAKER_01 2:02

Yeah, we've got a good one. Good one today, I think.

SPEAKER_02 2:04

It's been a while since I've been sat here.

SPEAKER_01 2:07

It has. So Rick has been gallivanting around the world. Well, making his dreams come true, to be fair. So it's not, you know, you know.

SPEAKER_02 2:19

Yeah.

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I suppose it's a good it's a good excuse.

SPEAKER_02 2:22

Egypt was fantastic. I would highly, highly recommend it to anybody.

SPEAKER_01 2:25

Yeah, yeah. And he did um it's the big big thirty, turn thirty in Egypt.

SPEAKER_02 2:31

Uh yeah, I did.

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Atop a pyramid.

SPEAKER_02 2:35

I did on my birthday, yeah. I ventured into the Great Pyramid. You probably saw that on the socials, it was unbelievable. Yeah. Unbelievable. Yeah. Yeah. If you want to get a great workout, do the pyramid.

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Yeah.

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It will slaughter your legs from the waist down. Don't expect to do anything for the next week.

SPEAKER_01 2:49

That landed really well on the socials, by the way.

SPEAKER_02 2:52

I know it did. Subscribe. Um shameless plug.

SPEAKER_01 2:57

Um, but yeah, people liked it, obviously. Because um I I don't know, I think a lot of people have that sort of dream, you know. Just at least at least if but like I can imagine even if people not necessarily like they're not wanting to maybe holiday in Egypt. Obviously, everyone's got different destinations, but I think to go and see the pyramids, I think that's probably especially in this field, it's it's on a lot of people's lists to to get to see. Um but then it what that wasn't just it would it wasn't just the pyramids, was it? You were actually just being a lay about for two weeks.

SPEAKER_02 3:31

I was, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I got a fantastic tan.

SPEAKER_01 3:34

Yeah.

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Unbelievable.

SPEAKER_01 3:36

Yeah, I can still see it.

SPEAKER_02 3:37

Oh that's beautiful, isn't it? That's good, be jealous.

SPEAKER_01 3:39

Yeah.

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Well, a little bit, yeah. To be fair, I do that's that's one redeeming factor I said quite well.

SPEAKER_01 3:45

And have you got anything else to share with the audience about your trip to Egypt?

SPEAKER_02 3:50

Uh I got engaged.

SPEAKER_01 3:53

Oh my god!

SPEAKER_02 3:56

Yeah, thank you for bringing that up.

SPEAKER_03 3:58

Congrats.

SPEAKER_02 3:58

Uh good, yeah. Uh we didn't actually tell anybody in the group until we were at until we were at Derby jail.

SPEAKER_01 4:06

Derby, I was like, I don't know if I can mention it.

SPEAKER_02 4:08

And uh and Laura's sat and we're in the we're in the room before we go in our little base camp and Laura's sat and she looks at me and and I look at her and then she kicks me. I'm like, what the f why why have you done that? Why have you kicked me?

SPEAKER_01 4:21

Well because so I didn't want to just say it. Obviously. I don't want to just bring it up in front of A everyone and Georgia, because I was like, I don't know if Yeah. Like I don't know what's happened.

SPEAKER_02 4:32

So she looks at me and she goes.

SPEAKER_01 4:34

Yeah, because I could sit, I was like, I'm pretty sure I can see the ring. I'm pretty sure I can see a ring. Um I don't know, like maybe she just likes to wear rings on that thing specifically. Um she uh I wanted to to confirm before I made it into an awkward situation for everyone.

SPEAKER_02 4:50

No, it was it was really nice. We did it under the stars in the desert.

SPEAKER_01 4:54

Oh, lovely.

SPEAKER_02 4:55

I know what you don't know is there's a video though, and you've not seen that.

SPEAKER_01 4:58

Well, that can go on the sofa turn into a TikTok.

SPEAKER_02 5:03

It's not happening half past nine at night, and I'm scrambling because I've lost as lo I've lost the sun quicker than I thought I was going to, and and it was just Yeah, but it's always how it's meant to be though.

SPEAKER_01 5:12

It's not you know, it's never per that's the thing, it's never perfect. No, yeah, we got engaged in Barcelona.

SPEAKER_02 5:18

Nice.

SPEAKER_01 5:19

Um, yeah, but there was like a whole plan, but we ended up getting drunk and then we just went back to the apartment and he pulled out the ring. That's fantastic. That's what I'm saying. It's never how you actually envision it to be. But we were watching one of our favourite like comedy podcasts, and it was a big episode, and it was then we were laughing and you know, drunk laughing, and and that's how it happened.

SPEAKER_02 5:40

So yeah, brilliant. Yeah, that is fantastic.

SPEAKER_01 5:44

Um, so it is that's gonna be your thing forever, you know.

SPEAKER_02 5:48

Yeah, I know. But I'll I don't yeah, it was fantastic. I loved it. Thank you. Um, anyway, in conclusion to my Egypt trip, if you do want to go inside the pyramids, number one, pre-book because you're not guaranteed to get in there on the day.

SPEAKER_01 6:02

Oh, I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_02 6:04

Number two, pre-book it, but pay for it here. Do not pay for it in Egypt, otherwise you'll be paying more money. Um, number three, it's definitely worth it to do, but you don't need to do it again. Yeah, I can imagine I can imagine that to be like don't go in there and be like, this is gonna be a life-changing experience. Because it sort of is like you stood in this you stood in the pyramid, stood there for 4,000 years, and it's you have this moment where you stood in the room and you're like, wow, and you really take in the grandeur of what you're experiencing. But when you come out, you're like, well, that was worth it.

SPEAKER_01 6:40

I well, I had that at Chichen Itsa.

SPEAKER_02 6:42

Oh, see, that's that's a bucket list. That's a bucket list.

SPEAKER_01 6:45

So I had that, and the fact that I had it was a really like really significant moment for me, very spiritual, weirdly spiritual, and I was only 19 and I did not have a lot going on in my head at the time. And that so the only reason I'd want to do it again is because of who I am now and how much I believe like if it was that significant at the time that really hit me back then, I'd like to do it again now with with you know it was actually a real close toss-up between Egypt because I wanted to do the I wanted to do the pyramids, whether or not that was Chichenitsa. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:24

Or that was Egypt. I didn't know it was a real toss-up for me. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:27

And I'd want to go again because when I went, I wasn't I didn't know my husband yet. Um this chair is really annoying, by the way, if you can hear it on the audio or if you can see it. Krabby hates it before clean it up. Dan's gonna Dan's a whiz.

SPEAKER_02 7:41

Yeah, Krabby hates that about four times every episode you'll look at me and you'll go.

SPEAKER_01 7:46

He has his limitations as well, so I don't know uh although you can't really hear it to be fair with everything that's been released so far. So I hope now I'm blabbing on about the thing that you might not actually be able to hear.

SPEAKER_02 7:59

Do you know I'm gonna hear it incessantly? Yeah, brilliant.

SPEAKER_01 8:02

But the chair really creaks. Um but yeah, so I'd like to go again because I can't really relay exactly what the like Have you ever been to a concentration camp? No, I haven't. I do want to go.

SPEAKER_02 8:14

So that's another one of those experiences that you can't quite relay to at some point.

SPEAKER_01 8:17

Yeah, so my mum has said to me that it really sort of because it's kind of a trip that you you do, you go to like Krakow and then you go you go to Auschwitz. I mean she said that you know the the actual trip to Auschwitz it kind of overshadows everything else that you do around then anyway. And so it's like a well, do I go and then go to Auschwitz and then spend a day oh a week rather in Krakow because we're I want to obviously take my husband and his parents because they really want to go. But then do we have a a week of like really not fun holiday afterwards, or do we have a fun holiday, then we go to Auschwitz and then we just sort of take that with us kind of thing, if you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 9:06

So I went to Munich, I went to Dachau, which was the for one of the real word OG concentration camp. That's where they they designed them and they're like this works, let's do this. Yeah, um so went there, did it on the last day of the trip, yeah, and I uh I was like, nah, if we'd have done this day one, because it it it's terrible, yeah. You go there and it's beautiful, yeah. Like they've kept it, yeah, it is spotless. And you've got a commemoration wall and the walk to the concentration, it's it's all unbelievably gorgeous. Which is a weird thing for it to me, it is, and then you get there and it's like wow, it's incredibly humbling, and it's sort of one of those things that you can't let go of for a couple of days. So if you do it, yeah, do it at the end.

SPEAKER_01 9:56

That's kind of what yeah, what my mum said because she said really ideally you'd just go for like the couple of nights and go in there and do that. But if I'm going obviously with my husband and his family, we'd we'd make it into a longer thing. Um but yeah, someone else said to me who went recently that it's really true that there's no birds flying over Auschwitz.

SPEAKER_02 10:17

No sound, even in Dakang, there's no sound.

SPEAKER_01 10:19

That's very strange. It's again lends itself into the theory that things get recorded into into the earth itself, the energy, the space of the place.

SPEAKER_02 10:29

Well, I mean birds run purely off electromagnetism, don't they?

SPEAKER_01 10:32

Yeah.

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On the of the earth, and it's yeah it's humbling.

Why Cryptids?

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Anyway.

SPEAKER_01 10:38

Anyway.

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Do you want to get into this episode?

SPEAKER_01 10:41

I do. We have a really, really fun one today. Very different.

SPEAKER_02 10:44

Might be able to tell from the books behind you what our subject is.

SPEAKER_01 10:47

Oh yeah, I will mention them when we uh get into it. Um but it is a fun one. I say a fun one. It is a little bit creepy when you sort of get into it for me at least.

SPEAKER_02 11:01

For you. You do you do love the subject.

SPEAKER_01 11:03

I do, I do. I really do. I really do, and I'm not ashamed to say it.

SPEAKER_02 11:07

That's okay. Um so cryptids. That's what we're at today.

SPEAKER_01 11:14

Cryptids.

SPEAKER_02 11:15

So for the premise of this episode, Laura has gone away and she has researched a cryptid that I at this moment know nothing about.

SPEAKER_01 11:25

By the way, what? What? How how do you not know? How do you not know?

SPEAKER_02 11:31

Because you've not told me what you researched yet.

SPEAKER_01 11:32

No, I did. No, the thing is, I did because I mentioned it to him, and he said, Oh, I don't actually know anything about this cryptid.

SPEAKER_02 11:39

Oh, yes, you did. Oh, is it that one? Oh, I'm really excited. I'm really excited.

SPEAKER_01 11:42

And I was like, how can you not how can you how can you not? And when you hear about this guys, I mean it's just that's like the second the second one. And I think it's to the main one.

SPEAKER_02 11:53

And I have got two Oh you do. I've got two smaller cases, but they are specifically Kent related cases. Okay. Because this is Kent and Southeast Paranormal.

SPEAKER_01 12:05

Indeed. And I really like that actually. I know. Because I didn't yeah, yeah, it's quite cool. I'm good. One of these books, actually, and the reason I bought them as well, um, does talk about a like a wild man type um witness report from where I live, basically, or who, which is where Sloughfort is, which is where we investigated fairly recently. Um so I found that really interesting reading the book a few years ago. But we'll go into it, um, because I do want to shout out the author. Um because he was actually involved in getting us in touch with some people recently. Making friends, they all sort of came together. Yeah. Making friends. All sort of came together, which I'm really, really grateful for. It's really exciting for us at case.

SPEAKER_02 12:54

So yeah, so thank you to everybody out there that has got us to this point at the moment where we're where people that have written actual books that have been published are communicating to us.

SPEAKER_01 13:03

I saw the name, I was like, I know, I know who this is.

SPEAKER_02 13:05

Yeah, because you've got email and then you realised that the week before you bought two of his books.

SPEAKER_01 13:10

Well, no, so I've had the books a while. What's weird is that a week before we were discussing a potential episode and you were bringing the yeah with the cryptids, and I and I brought it up then because I've learnt a lot of the things that I know about cryptids from the books. Um and then and then I see the name pop up in the emails, so very, very exciting. But yeah, so basically what we're gonna say, what we were planning on doing, is that we're going to make a case for the cryptids, right? And then decide if we believe there's anything to to the story, the legend, the you know, the myth.

SPEAKER_02 13:49

One of them is one of them's a bit out there.

SPEAKER_01 13:52

Yeah, there's a lot of things.

SPEAKER_02 13:54

Yeah, there are a few other one of them's one of them's a bit out there, the other one is right up your alley. So you know, we'll we'll get there.

SPEAKER_01 14:05

Have to say, honorary mention, obviously Sasquatch. We're not going to be talking about Sasquatch today. I think it's it should be no. I well, I I just want to mention it because obviously that is the big one and that is the main one that people know about. Um and obviously there's a lot of witness reports, uh potential evidence, etc. I do feel like it sort of should sit in its own episode at some point. So if you guys like this episode, let us know and we can do a few more.

SPEAKER_02 14:34

Teaser. Yeah. Yeti, Sasquatch, Bigfoot, same thing, yes or no?

SPEAKER_01 14:39

Potentially, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:40

Oh, look at that, sitting on the fence, no conclusive.

SPEAKER_01 14:43

Well no, so okay, so wild man and Sasquatch, I think, are two different things.

SPEAKER_02 14:47

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 14:48

Right? Yeti could be what Sasquatch is, basically in a different part of the world. Um, but without actual testing DNA, whatever are we gonna are we gonna know?

SPEAKER_04 14:58

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 14:59

But um but there's yeah, it's interesting. It's interesting enough to to to to talk about

Rick's Cryptid Case

SPEAKER_01 15:06

Did you want to dive in the first case style?

SPEAKER_02 15:10

Would you like me to go first or would you like to go first?

SPEAKER_01 15:13

I don't mind. You can go, you can go. I'm intrigued.

SPEAKER_02 15:15

Do you know what? I've got two. Let me take let me give you the first one.

SPEAKER_01 15:18

Okay, good one. Yeah. And then we'll do that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:20

Um what do you want? Weird and wonderful, or would you want slightly more plausible? Weird and wonderful for the floor. Weird and wonderful. Okay, so let me introduce to you a cryptid from actually just down the road in Saltwood in Kent. Actually, we went to school. I know. I didn't even know this. I went there, spent you know, 15 years I've I've lived here my whole life. I've never known about this. It's really interesting.

SPEAKER_01 15:49

You might have just you might have been walking past it the whole time and not even now.

SPEAKER_02 15:53

I have. I've I've the where this cryptid was seen and it's taken place, I've walked through here a thousand times. And I've never heard of this story at all. But here it is.

SPEAKER_03 16:05

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 16:06

Right. The Bat Beast of Kent. The Mystery of Saltwood, November 16th, 1963.

SPEAKER_01 16:15

One for you, Lucy.

SPEAKER_02 16:18

Actually took place before Mothman.

SPEAKER_01 16:22

It was in 1963.

SPEAKER_02 16:26

Let me set you the scene. Four teenagers walking home through the quiet Kent countryside near the village of Saltwood. It's dark, cold. The road ahead is bordered by fields, trees, and railway lines. Suddenly, something unusual catches their attention. A bright reddish golden light hangs in the sky. According to later retellings, the object is a glowing orb that follows the teenagers before descending into the nearby woodland. They investigate encountering a terrifying winged creature and become witnesses to one of Britain's strangest cryptic cases. Today, the story is known as the legend of the Bat Beast of Kent. But when we turn to the original reports, a very different picture begins to emerge. The incident occurred uh on Sandling Road near Saltwood, close to the railway station. The witnesses were seventeen-year-old John, eighteen-year-old Mervin, sixteen-year-old Jenny, and seventeen-year-old Tony. The group had been at a party and were walking towards the station so that Jenny could catch her train home. As they passed the school, which is where I attended, they noticed the strange light. In the early newspaper reports, John describes this light as simply a red ball of fire. Later accounts had more detail, the light appeared to descend at an angle and seemed almost as though it were preparing to land somewhere near the railway station. At this point, however, there was no mention of aliens or extraterrestrial visitors. There was simply an unusual light in the night sky. Then came the figure. As the group continued towards the station, they spotted something ahead of them on the road. Modern versions of this story describe this as a headless creature with bat like wings and webb feet emerging from the darkness. But the original descriptions were more complicated. We saw this red light, says John, like a red ball of fire. As we moved towards it, we could make out a figure which seemed to have webb feet no head, and it was carrying a red lantern. We just ran. The detail of the lantern is crucial. All three male witnesses report seeing a light or lantern associated with this figure. Mervyn described it as wearing a red cloak and carrying a lantern. And Tony also described it as carrying a light. John would eventually fall on the conclusion that it was a black figure, headless and stumbling towards them, with back-like appendages between five foot and six foot tall. Shortly after the sighting, local newspapers become fascinated by the story. The earliest headlines did not describe a UFO encounter. They described the ghost. Reports appeared under titles such as Ghost Scares Teenagers and Rector Hunt's Saltwood Ghost. Many local residents believe the f the figure may be connected to the ghost of William Torney, who used to own Brookhill Park. However, the case was originally treated as a haunting, not an alien encounter. It was, however, later investigated as an alien encounter. However, no formal evidence was gathered. There wasn't anything to say. All we know is that a strange light in the sky was reported and then an unknown figure of a headless bat like creature that came stumbling out the woods towards these four teenagers. How'd you feel?

SPEAKER_01 19:49

Interesting. Interesting because there is a few. Obviously, this is a pre-moth one.

SPEAKER_02 19:54

This is pre-moth one.

SPEAKER_01 19:55

Yeah. But there's a few sort of shared characteristic characteristics. I can't say it, can't say there we go. Um also witness perception. Obviously that memory does strange things.

SPEAKER_02 20:11

Yeah, so I think there have been embellishments of this story, as there always are with with bits and pieces as you go down the line, especially when you have folklore legends.

SPEAKER_01 20:23

Well my so my question would be a what where what were they what were they doing? Where were they coming from?

SPEAKER_02 20:32

They were coming from a party.

SPEAKER_01 20:33

Party.

SPEAKER_02 20:34

A local party.

SPEAKER_01 20:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:35

And they were on their way to the train station.

SPEAKER_01 20:38

Flower power.

SPEAKER_02 20:40

Mmm. Seventeen, eighteen year olds. Yeah. I can I understand what you're saying.

SPEAKER_01 20:45

Yeah. And and um suggestion is a big thing under the influence, especially of hallucinogen hallucinogenics.

SPEAKER_02 20:57

Um So there were a couple of corroborating sightings of lights in the sky that night.

SPEAKER_01 21:05

Right. Right.

SPEAKER_02 21:06

From other sources around. However, nobody else saw the figure.

SPEAKER_01 21:10

Right.

SPEAKER_02 21:10

But there were instances where other people saw the nights, the lights in the sky.

SPEAKER_01 21:14

Because that's the thing, it's like, you know, or was it a light in the sky? Was it some kind of aircraft um that they couldn't identify? Maybe it was an orb, you know, UFI, whatever, UAP. Um, but you know, and then their brains like made up the rest, or was it just literally someone walking through they you know, maybe they're under the influence, the brain's connecting things, and you're seeing all the shapes, or even a tree can can look like you know, your brain can make it make it into something that isn't there.

SPEAKER_02 21:50

I understand what you're saying. Yeah. I do. However, there's four people have all seen the same thing. So yeah, you can But that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_01 21:58

Suggestion as well, suggestion. You can because you have so you might have one person having a memory of it, the other person then hears about it and goes, actually, yeah, that's what that is what I saw as well without actually not not intentionally wanting to lie. But sort of the the mind fills in the blanks. Do you know what I mean? Because especially if you have something quite unsettling and you believe you saw something that doesn't make sense, your brain will try to give it features and things so you can at least latch on to something, I suppose. Um fear. I'm not saying I'm not saying like a group hallucination because I don't like those kinds of uh explanations for things because I just think it um but suggestion, and even in the moment I feel like again it w what I would like to know was you know were there drugs involved and even if they were they probably wouldn't have admitted to it, especially at the time.

SPEAKER_02 23:00

So where are you falling on the Batman?

SPEAKER_01 23:04

The Batman. The Batman the pens of the jokers around.

SPEAKER_02 23:08

Um

Rick's Cryptid Verdict

SPEAKER_02 23:10

the Bat beast of Kent. Where are you falling on it? Give me an out of ten. How'd you feel? Oh, three poor bat beast of Kent.

SPEAKER_01 23:19

I just think I don't know, uh the the the orb thing is interesting to me though. That's interesting. And it's interesting because they say, Oh, it was the light in the sky, and then the thing was holding a lantern, which is a weird thing for a bad like why would a bad beast be holding a lantern? Like you know, I could go more with like oh an apparition, a ghost of like a hooded something holding a lantern, maybe. Or like a you know, then then you sort of separate it or you have a light in the sky.

SPEAKER_02 23:50

So this is this is where the UFO investigator got to.

SPEAKER_01 23:57

Right.

SPEAKER_02 23:59

He put it down to aircraft approaching local airfields. Yeah. Which there's one reasonably close. Right.

SPEAKER_01 24:08

Um but not even if there wasn't though, you can you can like because the the planes that go over mine quite low at that point, they're all going to London. You know, that's a uh an hour and a half at least drives away, but but they're already landing at that point when they're flying over lift.

SPEAKER_02 24:25

Atmospheric effects. There is quite a boggy marshy area.

SPEAKER_01 24:29

See, I don't believe in that all of that swamp gas BS. No, I really don't. I think that's a weak, weak explanation for weak source. I don't like it. I don't like it when people bring that up Okay, and the other one has anyone ever actually seen swamp gas behave? Like, this is the thing, they bring up these explanations the same as bowl lightning, but then you actually dig into it and no one's ever actually seen it. It's a theory.

SPEAKER_02 24:55

This is this is true. The other the other possible explanation may have been that it was a railway worker.

SPEAKER_01 25:05

Mmm see I like that. That's the only other this is where I'm thinking if they were under the influence walking through.

SPEAKER_02 25:15

Getting scared.

SPEAKER_01 25:16

Getting scared.

SPEAKER_02 25:17

It's like that based of Kent, I'm afraid you've not convinced the one.

SPEAKER_01 25:22

Yeah, see the light the light holding the light is just it just why would why would a thing that flies right, like a a man-sized thing that flies has some kind of light attached to it, then landscape.

SPEAKER_02 25:40

It's described as headless.

SPEAKER_01 25:42

So why would it need a light then if it's got no eyes?

SPEAKER_02 25:45

Why would the headless horseman ride a horse if he can't see where it's going?

SPEAKER_01 25:49

I think that's that but see with the headless horseman thing. I think that's more of a recording probably.

SPEAKER_03 25:55

Do you reckon?

SPEAKER_01 25:55

I think so, yeah. I think so. Then if you were to bring yourself back after you you were beheaded, why would you bring yourself back without a head?

SPEAKER_02 26:05

Hmm. Yeah, okay. I like that. Well vengeance, because he's coming out to get heads.

SPEAKER_01 26:09

Yeah, I know, but you'd need your full you need your c you know, all of your faculties, I believe. Right. You're not gonna be like let me, you know, the thing that they cut off, let me just leave that behind actually when I come back and exact revenge.

SPEAKER_02 26:24

Laura, our resident medium has a theory that there is a uh a stopping off point before you return as a supernatural creature where you get to decide you get to decide your features. And so what they do is they sit you down, it's sort of like a it's sort of like a DVLA situation.

unknown 26:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:43

Where you have an interview, you have an interview and they go, Right, okay, how'd you die? And they go, actually, yeah, that was pretty messed up. Okay, do you want the arm? Nah, nah. Why why why don't you want the arm? It's it's useful to have two arms. Well, I'm doing this whole revenge thing where I come back and I'm like, take an arm. Oh, I like that. Okay, we'll go with that. Is that what your theory is?

SPEAKER_01 27:03

No. It's like that reminds me of like Beetlejuice when they go into the waiting room.

SPEAKER_02 27:10

I'm not seeing Beetlejuice. I've seen Beetlejuice.

SPEAKER_01 27:14

Two years difference, but it makes me feel old.

SPEAKER_02 27:16

No, not two years difference, but it makes you feel old.

SPEAKER_01 27:19

Probably. Probably.

unknown 27:21

I know.

SPEAKER_01 27:22

Anyway, um yeah, so the the light, like I say, the l yeah, uh uh a worker. A worker coming home. This is the sixties, that's still plausible to be having an actual light. Or even even potentially an apparition if you do want to go slightly more unexplained.

SPEAKER_02 27:42

Okay, so wasn't an alien?

SPEAKER_01 27:46

I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 27:47

It wasn't encrypted though.

SPEAKER_01 27:48

Don't think it was encrypted. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 27:51

Hi guys, it's Rick from the Case Files. If you like what you're hearing today, please like, subscribe, follow us on all streaming platforms, and follow us on YouTube.

Laura's Cryptid Case

SPEAKER_02 28:00

I'll give you the room. Convince me.

SPEAKER_01 28:04

Okie dokie. It is a it's a it's a bigger one. Like I say to I I see I think this one's sort of number two when it comes to cryptids in terms of uh just witness reports, like you know, people people seeing it. Um but the cryptid that we're going to be covering is uh the dogman. Now, important sort of distinctions. Um the dogman is not a not a werewolf. Um, and I'll I'll go into it. So dogman is the modern cryptid sort of label for um an upright canine or wolf-like humanoid, usually reported as animal-like, but with disturbing human-like posture, intelligence, or awareness. It's not exactly a werewolf. A werewolf is a human who transforms, right? Um, a dog man reports usually describe a creature that basically exists in that form. So it's not no what is it like like anthropy is like anthropy, yeah. Yeah, is where where the person supposedly um transforms, but that is not what we're talking about.

SPEAKER_02 29:19

We're talking about an actual 24-7 dog man. Dog man.

SPEAKER_01 29:24

Yeah. Um the US, so so it is mainly the main cases surround uh the US and specifically areas of Wisconsin and Michigan. Um, I don't know if you would have heard of the Beast of Brave Road. Um, that was a big case, um, investigated by Linda Godfrey. She's written a book about it. Linda's no longer with us, um, RIP, but she has um given us a lot in terms of research, um, witness statements. Um, I believe she's written a book about it. So um so they do they give us the best sort of early witness stories. Interestingly, the podcast that I was listening to um today talks about a an experience or a wit or uh an encounter from Michigan as well, and this we're talking 30 years later, so a fairly modern report, 2017. And this is a man who had nothing, you know, he didn't know anything about this creature, this encounter, and I will go into that later as well. Um I did want to obviously I'll be remiss not to mention the UK cases because we are UK-based, um, so it's not just exclusive to the US, um, which might scare some of our viewers. It is a phenomenon that is reported all over the world, including the UK, including fairly, fairly close to us. Um, I will be focusing more on sort of the north of the UK, so it's like Yorkshire. Um, well, we do have Cumbria, Lincolnshire, Wyre UK. Um, we do have a researcher up north, Paul Sinclair. Um, now he is the author of one of the books behind me here, Truth Proof. He does mention um wolf-like encounters in his books as well. He has interviewed weak like witnesses, firsthand witnesses. Um, and what's really compelling, really, I I feel in these cases is is the witnesses. Is the pe you know, it's people who do not want to talk about it. Um they have nothing to gain from talking about it, anything to lose really. And you will have grown men shake while they're talking about it. Yeah. So it is very visceral to them, is very real. Um, and you just think these people have seen something, whatever it might be, whatever we, you know, we maybe decide today, it it is there is something happening. Um what's quite interesting is is the fact that people will repeat the same features without knowing what they're talking about, without ever meeting each other. Um, so it's usually bipedal, it's usually very menacing, it's usually got um a man-like chest but canine legs, um, very fast, very tall, very big, like a thousand-pound sort of animal, horse-sized wolf that can run on two legs and can keep up with trucks, cars, that sort of thing, but has the intelligence to use its hands to try and open door handles as it's running along cars, um, to try and you know get get you through the window, that sort of thing. Um, and people say when you look into its eyes, you can see intelligence. Like it's not a human, but it's not an animal either. It it there's something there. Um and compared to sort of Sasquatch encounters, they tend to be very aggressive. Um, have they ever attacked people? You know, who knows? Do we ever get to maybe maybe there's people that we don't get to hear from? Um, you know, that have, because obviously the the encounters that we do have is from people who manage to see it and and sort of get away. Um, but you know, the amount of people go missing in national parks, that sort of thing, are are they, you know. I know that some people link it to sort of the UFO cases. Could this be something, potentially? Um, so we will go into some sort of encounters. I do want to go through a profile. Um, so it is an upright canine. Um, it tends to be sort of woodland edges, roads, like really like countryside sort of um, yeah, farmland, isolated properties. Um, some people so so there will be like a forest, what are they called? Um people who manage forests like national parks and that sort of thing. What are they called? Uh park rangers. Park rangers um that will that A will report running into these creatures, and they they might be like occupying like physical space or like an an abandoned property, but then at the same time they have a lot of like spiritual paranormal features as well, like where they can seemingly enter and exit our space. Um, like where they yeah, like you'll see them one second and then they disappear the next. And and again, people report um with these types of encounters, they report there's lower silence. So you'll sort of, you know, before they just before they see it, something changes in the atmosphere, the animals go quiet, there's no wind, there's no, you know, and um this particular person I was I was listening to on the way. Um so shout out to the confessionals podcast, um, who was interviewing, so that's Tony interviewing um uh Bob, no, sorry, Joe Barger. Joe Barger, um, I think we can link probably the episode in the in the description as well. Um now Joe Barger is a is a truck driver in the in the US, and in 2017 he had this encounter, and he said just before he'd seen the thing, he was repairing his truck on the side of the road, and the atmosphere changed so much so that even the colours that he was seeing were different, and he didn't know what was going on. He was under the truck, he said he was just sensing things, um things changed, something changed, right? Um, someone suggested could that be the thing actually moving into our space, opening some kind of portal, bending space-time. Um, could that have the effect on our surrounding in in that way? And then as he got back into his truck, um he started seeing sort of almost like a shadow on the side of the truck. Now, this is a a a long haul truck we're talking about, it's not a car. And this thing is keeping up with it. Um, like he looks over and he sees a wolf head in the window and a and a hand trying to.

SPEAKER_02 36:18

So it's gonna be some sort of like eight and a half foot.

SPEAKER_01 36:20

Well, he said it was it was a horse, it was like a horse-sized wolf, basically. Um, and he actually claims to have Sean killed it.

SPEAKER_03 36:28

Really?

SPEAKER_01 36:29

And he saw he saw it go, he saw it get get like get stiff, sort of you know, um roll behind the truck. Um he pulled over, he got out. He could see the evidence of it rolling, like all the debris and stuff, but the thing was nowhere to be seen. Interestingly, he was um he didn't actually say anything to anyone for a long time. He then spoke to Lund's Hightower, who's actually in Pluckley today, um recording, um, and he relayed his encounter. He didn't give any of his details or anything like that. The encounter was, I believe it was animated for the show or the podcast, something like that, but the no details were given other than the actual encounter, but not his name, you know, anything else. Um not like a few days later, he gets a random check from the federal government.

SPEAKER_00 37:32

Oh no, really.

SPEAKER_01 37:34

And they say to him that you have eliminated one of our assets. And they managed to track him down somehow through through the podcast. So that then makes me think you've eliminated one of our assets.

SPEAKER_02 37:48

So doesn't this thing is a a government a government program of some kind?

SPEAKER_01 37:54

Is it is it a human hybrid? Um, I mean, you know, the Russians, it's quite known that the Russians were um experimenting on human like chimpanzee hybrids for for like military purposes.

SPEAKER_02 38:09

To be fair, if you could pick an animal to to cross a human a wolf, we'd pretty clear.

SPEAKER_01 38:13

Successfully, yeah. Um Are we to believe that it just stopped? Like any any government programme that we know about MK Ultra, all of that sort of thing, once it became clear that you know that they were doing this thing and then they issue an apology and say they stopped, and are we to believe that it doesn't just carry on under a different name, different people, different, you know, subject?

SPEAKER_02 38:33

Um so let me just stop you there for a second. What you've described to me, and given what we were talking about at the start of this, at the start of this entire episode, what you've just described to me as Anubis. So there is a lot of um Sorry for those you don't know, Anubis is um prominent figure in Egyptian mythology.

SPEAKER_01 38:57

Yeah, it's an Egyptian god, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:59

It it it is a half half man, half-dog wolf.

SPEAKER_02 39:03

Um hell of a jackal. Yeah. Up into its shoulders, canine legs, human body.

SPEAKER_01 39:08

Yeah. Um the dogman phenomenon itself goes back to the the Bible as well. A lot of people, and interestingly, the the the man that I was talking about, Joe, he himself believes it to be a spiritual animal. He believes it to be a demonic entity, basically. He says it can exist, he believes, seeing as he killed it, that you can eliminate it, it can exist in a in a physical form, but at at its core Sorry. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 39:38

You're talking to me, and I'm going and all of my years of listening to um all of my years of listening to paranormal podcast, bits and pieces are kind of flashing back to me. Oh, what's it called? Have you ever heard of there's a village in England where they discovered three stone carved heads about the size of cricket balls in the back of someone's garden. No. Basically, the gist of it is is that they discovered these these heads. And a lot of people like they're hoaxes, they're not hoaxes, XYT.

SPEAKER_01 40:20

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 40:22

The researcher took them home.

SPEAKER_01 40:25

Right. Mm, see now it starts to ring a bell.

SPEAKER_02 40:27

The researcher took them home and in her property she saw a black mass that she described as a upright wolf man stalking her home for the entirety of the time the heads were there.

SPEAKER_01 40:43

Yeah, yeah. Now, England, so England in general has a long history, so you might have heard of like the black shuck um black shuck, yeah, yeah. Bar guest regru. Paul Sinclair has actually put it together. I mean, he looked at old maps, he looked at um uh places like so there's a place called Hunmum B up north as well. And actually when you uh translate into like old English, it's basically an area where the wolves attack men. It's like a meter, it's like but then it's like hun mumbi, it's like a not even the the wolf attack meant, it's um like a mun wolf, basically, like mun wolf. Um the so it is a thing that's been talked about for a long time.

SPEAKER_02 41:35

The Hexham heads found in 1971 were a pair of small stone heads six centimetres high found in an English town um by two young lads.

SPEAKER_01 41:48

Oh yeah. Well that was very creepy.

SPEAKER_02 41:51

Yeah, the um I believe the researcher that took them home then experienced yeah you go, so um a few days later, her daughter Benice told her that after returning home from school, she saw a large, dark, werewolf-like figure on the stairs that jumped over the banisters and into a corridor before vanishing. Um the wolf was believed to have been a relation to the hex and wolf that killed all sorts of uh Yeah, that's another thing.

SPEAKER_01 42:17

So these things will enter your home. You will you will see them. There's there's reports of the there's um one that I I remember listening to was a woman with a small child. Um for some reason they so that it's believed that there's some kind there is some kind of animalistic thing to it, um, because they will or rather they yeah, they seem to be quite aggressive towards uh men in particular, I believe. I might be I might be um thinking of Sasquatch here actually. Um because I think the the yeah dog dog men are just very very aggressive in particular, but they seem I think they seem to be less aggressive towards females, um females with children as well. The actually the the one of the big cases here, also the beast of Bray Road is quite a quite a known case. Um so she she reported on the Beast of Bray Road, Beast of Bray Road, and and collected many upright like um canine sort of reports. Um the Beast of Bray Road, let me just bring this up. So so it's Bray Road near Elkhorn in Wisconsin. Um it's a a very quiet road, it's sort of farmland around. I have seen the photo of it, or perhaps we might bring it up as well. Um it was late at night, car sort of headlights, um, and it was um a witness, so originally she was anonymised as Barbara in the nine in 1999. One article later associated with uh Lorianne Andrezy, she saw something on the side of the road with its back turned. The key detail was posture. So at first she thought it was a dog with its sort of head down eating roadkill. And then she noticed that not only was it holding the roadkill in its hands, it was actually kneeling like a human would be, but with canine legs. So when you think about a dog, obviously the way they fold the legs, they go it it's the other way, right? So the fact that it was kneeling. I do have a an artist sort of rendition of this that I will share with you.

SPEAKER_02 44:42

Um we'll put this up on the screen as well.

SPEAKER_01 44:44

Put this up on the screen. Dan. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:46

Put this up on the screen, please, mate.

SPEAKER_01 44:49

Um just do this. One day we'll get we'll get a there we go. So you have the kneeling kneeling creature. So she was quite a good artist, actually. So she's um so the picture that you will see on the far right is her rendition of someone else's account. The first picture is the is someone's sketch of of of the beast that Bro wrote the original sort of account.

SPEAKER_02 45:17

Oh, okay, that's cool. Um as you can see, it's just not a very And these are clearly sort of werewolf wolf adjacent adjacent images, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 45:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 45:32

The intro at the middle one interests me most. Because it's unnatural.

SPEAKER_01 45:40

Yeah. That well it's the the posture, so this is the thing. It was like it was hold and the fact that it's holding things in its hands, and you know, my dog might use its front pores to do things, but it doesn't, it's not gonna hold things up like this, is it? Like a human. Um this was another thing that people when people report it, it's like claws, it's almost like a raccoon. Because a raccoon has like these tiny hands that they can use things with. They don't have a pause um opposable thumbs, obviously, but they still it's still quite they're quite nimble and dexterous. Um so that's what people report, but it's basically the size of a steering wheel when you actually see it at the hand.

SPEAKER_02 46:16

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 46:17

Yeah. Um so yeah, so it wasn't so then she sort of she took a, you know, you can actually see it. Um obviously all of these encounters, that's another thing, they only last a few seconds, but uh they're quite or some of them, most of them. There are some really terrifying encounters. Um, one of which I'm thinking of again, Paul Sinclair sort of brought um to the public's attention. Again, up north, three people, military buddies out camping, um, and this thing terrorised them for an entire night in the woodlands. Um, where they couldn't leave. It was literally running circles around the camp site. They could see it, they could see the yellow eyes, they could see its fur, they could see the pointing, you know, pointed ears. But and that this is another thing that the the thing never speaks, but it will use mind speak like similar to what people report with Sasquatch. Um but on top of it, it just gives off this really menacing vibe, basically, that people will they will feel it before they see it. They said that they said that they will feel terror all of a sudden, and this is what these three people report. They're sitting around the campsite just talking, as they do. They love camping, this is what they they do since since they left the military. And all of a sudden, you know, one one of the men says just feels terror, and he looks at the other guy, and they can see, he can see that he's he's looking around, right? Third guy, same thing, and they're going, Can you can you feel that? It's like yeah, just absolute terror for no seemingly no reason at first, and then they see it, they see in the shadows. And this is another thing, if you know, it played with them for a whole night, it was running around, but it's almost like it either couldn't cross into the campsite or it had no interest to other than just terrify them. And you know, when the light when the when daylight came it left and they were able to leave.

SPEAKER_02 48:18

So what is the real question is is it intelligent enough to play with its to play with its victims? Is it a um or is it uh choose not to attack and kill but to terrorise, or is it too stupid that it will not attack people because it's scared of people?

SPEAKER_01 48:37

Or is it being handled?

SPEAKER_02 48:38

Oh, I like that one.

SPEAKER_01 48:39

Yeah. Some people, again, there are witnesses who report or or even people who have been involved in some sort of military project, um, that say that these people these these things have chips, that they have some kind of the the people handlers have some kind of um devices that they can they can call them back in, that they're being trained, they can be called back in. Um again with with Joe saying, you know, he was told that he he eliminated a government asset. Um first, you know, firstly why is it trying to kill him? He said he believes it he believe training. There we go, he believes it was a training exercise and he believes there were more of them, and that is how they managed to sort of disappear the body quite quickly because they pulled you know, that they they've pulled him into pulled it into a uh a a wood nearby. Interestingly, as well, as he stepped out, he said an unmarked car appeared, and two people, a woman and a man, came out in like just grey suits, but no identifying anything. Um and he said in the moment he was thinking to himself, you shouldn't be here, because obviously he knew what he saw. Um, and he he couldn't be sure that you know he he thought he killed it, but he couldn't be sure and the thing disappeared, so he thought he was wounded somewhere in the you know, off to the side of the road. So he's thinking to himself, shouldn't, you know, you shouldn't be here, but obviously he's not wanting to sound crazy. Um, and he says he sees a rifle through like one of the windows was cracked. It was really dark, tinted windows, but one of the windows is cracked. He says a rifle, and he starts to sort of think to himself, something's not right, so he exits, right?

SPEAKER_02 50:16

Now he's thinking So the more and more you're talking, the more and more I'm starting to believe that this is a government project to create a form of super soldier.

SPEAKER_01 50:28

Right.

SPEAKER_02 50:29

That is right that yeah, that they're taking out into the absolute wilderness, and then they're calling these things accidents and animal attacks.

SPEAKER_01 50:41

Right, right. Well, this is the thing, this is the people go missing. Then we think about animal and we can't say on YouTube, but animal um deaths, let's say, in you know, farmlands. So it tends to be cattle in the US for us it's sort of sheep. I don't know if you know that this is a thing going on in in the UK as well.

SPEAKER_03 51:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 51:01

Again, pulsing clear brings brings a lot of light to this. Um and he's actually almost like witnessed one. Um so as he was made aware that these things were happening. Um I mean he he sort of I think a lot of what he has reported, I think he sort of brings it to the big cat phenomenon in the in the UK that isn't quite acknowledged.

SPEAKER_02 51:27

I like that. I love that, by the way. Yeah, part of a few sites, I'm pretty sure I've seen one. Dan thinks he's seen one of the things.

SPEAKER_01 51:33

My mum has as well. Yeah, my mum believes she has. Um, but he said that he so obviously he does these walks, he goes with his dog, but obviously being a researcher in the area, he sort of he will go out really early in the morning just to see if he can see anything, right? Especially around these farmlands. He said it's very hard to get these farmers to actually speak to you as well. Um, but they sort of over the years they they start to know him, they they allow him to sort of walk the fields and um and he just gets most of the time he just gets a good good walk out of it. Um and around the time, I believe it was actually 2017 as well, that these were these things were happening sort of on a very regular basis, and he was being told that farmers are actually losing a lot of animals um to these attacks. Again, similar characteristics, no sort of no or being drained of blood or no blood, organs being removed, that sort of thing, without being too again too descriptive.

SPEAKER_02 52:27

Um things that um things that are sometimes put down to either tubicabra or aliens.

SPEAKER_01 52:33

Aliens, right. Um and he says, yeah, almost again, almost sort of surgical precision, you know. And he says he could see he walked into in the field, could see obviously the sheep in the field, he walked past it, walked into, I believe it was Danes Dyke in in Yorkshire, um went around there, came back out not long ago, and there's a dead U on the ground where he had just walked. So one of the cases, so he said, you know, whatever it was, it was around, and you know, was it was he supposed to find it? Perhaps he himself is an experiencer, he he's an abductee, he has written a book about that too. Um he was being abducted fairly regularly when he was a child. Um But yeah, so it's all interesting, and to me it all sort of comes down to really the same thing. I do have another another encounter here from him actually. Um I'm not sure how how much time we've got.

SPEAKER_02 53:33

Um 53 minute state.

SPEAKER_01 53:35

Oh my god, that's goes quick.

SPEAKER_02 53:40

Told you.

SPEAKER_01 53:40

It goes so quick.

SPEAKER_02 53:41

Why do you think me and Krabby sit here and we've got like oh by the way, sorry we recorded for an hour and a half because we can just talk forever about this.

SPEAKER_01 53:48

Um but so okay, maybe we can go into these at some point later if people want a a part two to to these. Yeah. Um so I just want to say, I do, you know, is it if we and I do actually I do believe that there are some sort of black book government programs. Um I do believe that there's experiments going on that we don't know about. I believe that they are reverse engineering craft and all sorts of other technology that that we you know we probably have access to. I do believe that they are probably working with another sort of intelligence.

SPEAKER_02 54:26

Um Laura has currently got her cap on, by the way, because it is lined with tinfoil. Um and the aliens can't read their thoughts through that.

SPEAKER_01 54:35

Indeed. Um again, to me, the most credible thing um is the fact that these witness reports, the people are experiencing something. They're seeing something, just like the Albacas Watch. Um Do I believe that there is a living, breathing creature, breeding rather, living, breathing and and breeding creature in in the world that is half dog or half man? Not necessarily. Could it be a hybrid? Yes. Um I do also have to say I I I do believe, and I I think this applies to a lot of the things that we are finding out um about it's ultimately to me it is good versus evil, spiritual.

SPEAKER_02 55:20

I mean realistically the most a lot of medical advancements come out of the experience the Nazis were doing. Abhorrent things.

SPEAKER_01 55:30

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 55:30

Absolutely abhorrent things, and then and then you're seeing stuff like most of them to America, to the UK, all of the scientists.

SPEAKER_01 55:37

Do we do we actually genuinely believe that if they have the capacity we know they're capable of of doing evil things? Um I mean look at the the beagles that they were testing, you know. Are we are we to believe that that's the one?

SPEAKER_02 55:52

I'm pretty sure at the moment they announced earlier this year that two women can now biologically have a child together. They can they can make that happen.

SPEAKER_01 56:00

Right, right.

SPEAKER_02 56:00

So why couldn't they do this?

SPEAKER_01 56:03

And I do I do think that yeah, uh cloning, human cloning, I think that's all happening.

SPEAKER_02 56:07

Cloned a sheep in the eighties.

SPEAKER_01 56:09

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That happened in the eighties. That happened in the eighties.

SPEAKER_02 56:13

Conspiracy theory. One of my favourites is that Putin's been assassinated about 20 times and every single time his clone is installed in his place.

SPEAKER_01 56:24

To me, it's more Tom Cruise. He's not aged. Yeah, he's not aged. There's a lot of other people actually, wouldn't you? There's these weird photos that people say the vampires, like celebrities who are vampires that you get photos from like the 1800s and it is the same person. Um so yeah, very strange, strange things.

SPEAKER_02 56:40

But then there was the whole thing about yeah, drinking blood of infants. You know what I'm talking about, don't you? You know what I'm talking about. Well, they all do, don't they? Yeah, they do.

SPEAKER_01 56:49

Um, but what well you know, we would be uh remiss not to mention the possible normal explanations, so the the usual misidentifications, that sort of thing. And I I think a lot of it would be i is is plausible. So I do actually have a picture. This is what I uh someone says it might be a an Irish wolf hand hound, sorry. I mean they're big, but But I'll I'll show you a picture of it. If you saw this on two legs, oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 57:17

Yeah, and don't get me wrong, I've seen a dog that you can see on two legs, but this bloke was driving a truck. He was driving the truck and it was you can you can a dog can be on two legs or it can run. It can't be both.

SPEAKER_01 57:31

That's the thing. The the fact that these things run on two legs, they have very you know, it they look but I'm just saying if you saw something somewhere in the bushes, it you know, if it's just standing on two legs. Same as for me Sasquatch, like the whole um explanation of it's a bear walking on two legs, because they kind of do that, they don't really do that, like they They can, they can, but they're not you know, they'll they'll do it to reach food or whatever, but they're not gonna just you know scratch their back, but they're not just gonna be walking through the forest and swinging their I mean yes, that's an Irish wolf hound, yes, that's a big dog.

SPEAKER_02 58:08

Yeah, is it eight and a half foot, nine foot tall? No. Is it could yes, if it stood upright and started walking like a person, yes, you could mistake it. But if it's if it's running as fast as a truck on its hind legs so that its head can be seen through the driver's window through the driver's side window, not a chance.

SPEAKER_01 58:28

And then just the last picture. Um, this is what a lot of witnesses say is very, very close to what they what they have seen. And to me that's pretty terrifying, and I think the viewers will will find it pretty terrifying. So if you um find yourself watching this in the evening, uh make sure you close your blinds.

SPEAKER_02 58:48

Well if you find yourself listening to this and you want to see, YouTube is where to see it.

SPEAKER_01 58:52

YouTube's where to see it. Um but yeah, I would just say close your blinds because you don't want to look out the window and see yellow eyes looking at you and and they're attached to this head.

SPEAKER_02 59:03

Yeah, no. That looks that looks like the uh that looks like the mock-up of uh of like a werewolf in Paris.

SPEAKER_01 59:11

Um yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 59:13

I mean yeah, so I think there's it's quite interesting, isn't it? Obviously, the distinction between a werewolf and a dogman Yeah. It's probably a fine line. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. I'm sure that all would I be right in saying that all werewolves are dogmen, but not all dogmen are werewolves.

SPEAKER_01 59:35

I don't see I don't know if a werewolf as such exists outside of folklore. Because buy into dogman.

SPEAKER_02 59:43

Be happy to buy into dogman.

SPEAKER_01 59:45

Because dogma so you know, we're talking about a m a man with a with a curse who turns into a wolf. Okay, I suppose it's a full-five. You know, every full moon kind of thing. I mean, but at the same time, I suppose if you think about if it's a human hybrid, then then there is a man, half man, half beast kind of thing, right? We're just not talking about someone who has a curse that you can kill with a silver bullet kind of thing. Um we're talking about a creature that either exists again, I I like the theory and and this would extend itself to Sasquatch. And to be honest, see, I'm I'm I think any other really strange encounter, so this would be like black-eyed kids, which I'd love to cover as well. Um that you just think what could possibly happen to make this exist in our because that's another place that's been spotted.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:39

What's the big what's the panic chase is that? Panic chases where this has also been seen, isn't it? Because I've I've heard stories of this sort of thing being seen there.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:46

Which again, it's like what happens, why do we have these hot spots around the world? So you have Michigan, but you have you have Yorkshire, so Yorkshire where Paul investigates, um I mean he literally has everything that you get in Skinwalker at Skinwalker Ranch. Like it's it's an area that all of these, you know, you get

Laura's Cryptid Verdict

SPEAKER_01 1:01:08

apparitions, aliens, dogmen, other cryptids, unseen cryptid, like people will hear something run up on them, but can't see anything. Um just very strange things, you know, like almost like space-time being sort of warped and bended and whatever else, and um like you will hear mechanical voices around you all of a sudden. That reminds me of like um the mechanical sounds from from Lost. You know, it's it's just very strange. And and you think, yeah, what what is that? Uh is that where these portals are? Is that where some medical like military programs are happening?

SPEAKER_02 1:01:41

Or canick chases.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:43

A canic chase, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:44

Is it yeah. You know is uh is a is a United Kingdom military base, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 1:01:48

I don't know. I because I'm when I said yes, I I was actually thinking of Rendelsham.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:53

Um the bear base. What's what's the one right uh what's the uh there's a big one next to uh to UK military base as well.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:02

They're all over the place and um there's R R Ef Bempton that's supposedly no longer in operation where all of these weird things are happening. Um so right, so verdict, where do you I like it? You like it?

SPEAKER_02 1:02:19

I like it. Um So this is I think this is a big question to ask on the cryptids is um are they real entities? Are they actual physical skin and blood? I could touch it with my hands.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:37

So this is the thing, and this is where I think I why I am A fascinated and B able to actually believe that they exist to an extent is that I I don't think that they exist in this world 100% of the time. So it's like I say, you even Sasquatch I'm not entirely sure that it's like a a living creature that breeds in our space.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:04

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:04

Um I think I think that there are places or or perhaps there's ways of opening up these portals, or maybe just sometimes it it just happens randomly, something's you know, through through ways that we don't understand. I do believe that there are potentially other dimensions, other worlds that we can reach. And even, you know, when you when you um that what's entered the alien conversation now is that these things don't just fly over here from millions of light years away because it's simply impossible that they are able to sort of enter this. You know, they bend gravity in space and um and if that's the case then why why can't other things enter and and exit?

SPEAKER_02 1:03:49

See, I would agree with you, but I think there's some there's some cryptids that I'm like, that's there's some cryptids where I look at it and go, that's actually just an animal waiting to be properly categorised. Yeah. But dog man, I'm buying into it. I like um but if you want me to buy into it, I'm buying into it on the fact that it is I'm buying into it on it's difficult. Very difficult because in one aspect, I like that you said it's got it's got its its roots in the Bible and that sort of depth of time. When I said to you describing Anubis, you know, literally plastered across the entirety of Egypt. I like the theory that this is a supernatural being but the sp specificity specificity. That one. But how specific the sightings and encounters are with it in this Michigan Wisconsin area would also lead me to believe that this is a this is a government project.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:19

That's what I was thinking as well.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:21

I so what do the government do anything for, right? They do it to for war, right? They do it to get the edge on the countries. If this is what they're doing and they're allowing these things to hunt people, especially in trucks, can you imagine that? Can you imagine that? Like going and then just you know, you're a you're in like some Middle Eastern country and they're then you're driving a truck and the wolf man pulls you out of the case.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:44

Is this where the djinn comes from in the Middle East? I mean that's an ancient it's an ancient belief in the djinn. Um but that's a that's a creature that they that's a demonic kind of entity, or similar to what a demonic entity is.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:57

To your genie's from, isn't it? But the gin is sort of a bit.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:00

Yeah. Yeah. Um yeah, it's all very interesting. But that's what this is what I'm saying. And I I think on some like spiritual level everything's connected and we just have different names for these things. Um I don't know. It's just it's very deep, like the whole subject is very deep, but I truly believe there's something to it, and I I just you know, a lot of people will dismiss it because they can't wrap their minds around it. And to be honest, I can't wrap my mind my mind around it. I just know I wouldn't want to see it, especially on my own driving.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:34

Um I like that. I I like that standpoint of people dismiss it because they can't wrap their heads around it. Yeah. At one point people couldn't wrap their heads around the fact that the earth was round. At one point they couldn't wrap their heads around gravity, and they couldn't wrap their heads around you know, can you imagine if we told somebody exist until the apple fell? Yeah. Can you imagine if we told somebody from the 1500s that one day a man would stand on that bigger?

SPEAKER_01 1:06:59

Well, what about what we're doing now is the fact that someone can watch a a moving picture on a box, you know, something that got recorded or a phone. You can c you can literally see someone on the other side of the world and speak to them in real time, pretty much real time. Uh through waves that we can't see.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:15

Yeah, through imaginary things.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:17

Imaginary, you know, something that we can't see.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:19

Um 'cause for all we know they are they're imaginary readiness that they exist.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:23

We just don't pay them. It runs on belief.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:28

Um so yeah, so to me, I I just I I do find it very hard to dismiss when I actually see I it's just not everyone same with Sasquatch to me, it's like all of these people can't be lying all at once. It's sure some of them will be, and sure some of them will be agitators, and same with in the UFO field and everywhere else. But some of them are truly, truly terrified with what they've seen. Um, and there's some real encounters and there's children who will who will talk about it and will share the same, you know, they they will describe it in the same way that they're known to appear to other people. Um and yeah, okay, children can be trained to say, but it it's just the you know, why would you bring this onto yourself? Because there's nothing still, still in this field, there's nothing but ridicule, really, when you when you mention something like this to someone, you know, the fact that you've people will be like, yeah, okay, how much have you had to drink?

SPEAKER_02 1:08:20

In that case, yeah. Right, Dogman, I give this phenomena I'll get a seven six, six and a half, six, seven out of ten.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:33

I'll like seven.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:34

Seven out of ten that I can I can buy into this and I can tell and I can I can believe this script.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:39

I'll get you to eight next time.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:42

Uh honestly, I just I th for the limited amount of time we've had, I could probably go home now and convince myself to a ten out of ten.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:49

Yeah, I I I suggest you do you do you know look

Outro

SPEAKER_01 1:08:53

into it. Um I did want to quickly mention so Andy McGrath, so these are the books, Beast of Britain, Beasts of the World, uh, really good books on cryptids, not just obviously Dogman Sasquatch, that sort of thing, but a lot of a lot of cryp cryptids, water cryptids, um sort of yeah, aquatic animals. Um and thank you, Andy, for connecting us with Tony uh for the much, do appreciate it. Luckily filming. Um that will be pretty much from us, and um, I think you're back next time with a a Krabby episode.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:26

Be back with Krabby next time, yes. I think we're gonna do uh two parter, I think, next time. So we'll go with one for you.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:32

Very good.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:33

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SPEAKER_01 1:10:02

Maybe you've had you've had encounters with the flying winged creature, you know. Again, we're not I I think that these people have seen things like there are other winged creatures that again I've heard of reports that would seem very, very credible. Um if you are from a very specific area of Kent and have seen specific and you were you were walking through the road in 1963.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:24

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SPEAKER_01 1:10:35

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SPEAKER_02 1:10:54

Yeah. Thanks very much, guys, and we'll see you next week.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:57

Thank you. Bye-bye.