Kelvedon Hatch Secret Nuclear Bunker: What's Really Down There? (Part 1)

Crabby, Rick and Matt go underground to investigate one of the UK's most secretive Cold War sites - Kelvedon Hatch Secret Nuclear Bunker. In Part 1, the team uncover the bunker's chilling history and what the government really had planned for Britain in the event of nuclear war.

The guys also share personal experiences from across the wider KASE team at the location, and dig into the theories behind what might still be lurking in its depths.

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Transcript

Intro

SPEAKER_01 0:00

So I've got the headphones on, I've got the spirit box, and I hear a cat's meow. So I've taken out the headphones. It's still going through. And I think it was a guy who's got the Ouija board and who's now left. He hears the cat again. I hear the cat for a second time, he hears it. People in the group catch wind of it as well. And clear as day through the spirit box, that you know, the communication rooms of a Cold War nuclear bunker three floors underground. There's no radio frequency, it's nothing, it's just static. So we hear this cat. So it was enough for the team to stop in their tracks. Nobody spoke for a moment because there obviously was no rational explanation for that sound to come through the way that it did in that location. The PSB 7 box sweeps fragments. It doesn't just pick up on a radio station that plays cat sounds, and there's no cat in the bunker, and there's no there's nothing living down there except obviously us the investigators, and we are so far down that there is also zero radio frequency coming through that can be, you know, uh determined as well. That was the radio, there was nothing. No signal, no daylight, no nay no nay, no nay, no way of knowing what time it is without checking a watch. And somewhere in that bunker, something has been there a lot longer than we have.

SPEAKER_02 1:46

This is Kelvin and Hatch.

SPEAKER_01 1:48

Welcome to episode eight, part one.

SPEAKER_02 1:50

Welcome to the case files.

SPEAKER_01 1:53

Hello and welcome back to the case files. As always, I'm Graham, aka Krabby, one of your hosts, and back joining me today in the hot seat is my fellow co-host Rick. Welcome back, mate. Feels like a very long time since we've done an episode together, and your town is still very much on point, which I'm kind of a bit jealous about, really.

SPEAKER_02 2:10

Or when you yeah, when when you work a manual labour job outside, it still sticks around a little bit, but I'm really excited to be back, mate. Um, but not just because of the location, because of who else we've got with us.

SPEAKER_01 2:22

Yes, we've got a special guest, as I said, back by popular demand after he featured on episode six. We have Matt back with us. Uh last time he was here, we talked about his time with Case and some of what he has experienced during his investigations with the team. But uh honestly, Matt, the response was great, and uh yeah, feedback was great, and I think we set up quite nicely last time, kind of coming into this uh part one of this episode of Kelvidon as well. So um, yeah, welcome back.

SPEAKER_00 2:54

Thank you. Good to be back. Thanks for inviting me.

SPEAKER_01 2:56

That's right, and still waiting for the check live, something like that sort of thing.

SPEAKER_00 2:59

Yeah, that'll that'll come in.

SPEAKER_01 3:01

Yeah, a couple of individuals.

SPEAKER_02 3:04

Yeah, uh, we've put Matt through uh through some questions in this episode, so everybody keep listening. His take on what we've covered today is gonna be really valuable um given everything that he has gone through with case.

SPEAKER_01 3:16

And has your life changed since episode six that you featured on? Has anyone stopped you in the street or no?

SPEAKER_00 3:23

No.

SPEAKER_02 3:23

Uh did get that movie off her, didn't you?

SPEAKER_00 3:26

I didn't want to talk about that. No, sorry. Oh yeah, I'm not I'm not doing those sorts of movies.

SPEAKER_01 3:30

We'll move on.

SPEAKER_00 3:31

Avoided some sort of contract laws there, haven't we?

SPEAKER_01 3:34

Right, and uh the location we're covering today is one of that. If you know anything about paranormal investigations in the UK, you would have already heard of it. And yes, this is a two-parter, which we've never done before prior to today. So we're on part one. We're going to cover the history of Kelvin Hatch, the not-so-secret nuclear bunker in Essex, the wider paranormal reputation it's built up over the years, and what our own case team have experienced there across multiple visits. And in episode nine, which will be part two of this, um, we go through our most recent investigation there, which was November last year. Um, a full case team, two groups, three floors, nearly 12 hours underground, and then we'll get into what happened that night. Can't wait to do it, mate. Where do we start? Well, before we do, before we do start, if you're watching this on YouTube, just say thank you because we've just literally hit 100 scribers this week. I think we should get that out there. So pick up the scribers. Yeah, thank you very much. Um, but equally, you know, please do us the massive task of subscribing to our channel, hitting that notification bell. But more importantly, share our show with your friends, family, and even people you don't like. Um, that's equally as important because then you can annoy them and we can annoy them, and we'll come up on their algorithm, and they'll be like, not these guys again.

SPEAKER_02 4:52

So I do that a lot actually on Instagram to my friends. I do as well. There's a woman on Instagram that I do with my dad, and uh, she's a little Chinese woman, she tries to sell people engines through her factory in China, and I send it to my dad, and he watches it.

SPEAKER_01 5:05

And uh this is what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_02 5:07

Now it comes off on his algorithm and he hates it. Yeah. And every time he sees it, he sends it to me. And I'm like, if you keep on sending it to me and having a go at me for sending you originally, it's just gonna appear more, he just doesn't get it.

SPEAKER_01 5:16

There you go. So as we we've proven the point, send it to your enemies, send it to the people you don't like. So there we go.

SPEAKER_00 5:22

I'll show you that. Are we after big sponsorship as well? Because I'll coffee.

SPEAKER_01 5:26

Yeah, Laura's gonna have to br blur that. Yeah. We're gonna get in trouble for that, aren't we?

SPEAKER_00 5:32

I can't drink coffee.

SPEAKER_01 5:34

And to finish that, if you're on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or Amazon Music, follow us please and leave a review. It does make a massive difference, and we generally read every single comment as well. Right, Rick, let me tell you about a bunker.

SPEAKER_02 5:49

I can't wait, mate, because uh to be honest with you, I've not been here before, I've not heard anything, and I'd love to get your take on it.

SPEAKER_00 5:55

And Matt, have you been here? I've been here four times. Not the studio, Kelvin Hatch. Well, I've been to the studio, but Kelvin Hatch as well, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um I missed the last investigation, which is sounded phenomenal, annoyingly. Um but yeah, I've done it four times before.

SPEAKER_01 6:11

It was always the way, it's the ones that you miss that you're like, oh well. This is what we said, like you know, very rarely do you have an investigation that goes from six to six and everyone is still hyped at six o'clock in the morning and not wanting to end, you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_02 6:24

Are you in September? Yeah. I can't wait, absolutely. I cannot wait. I'm so excited. It's like nowhere you've ever been.

SPEAKER_01 6:31

I wit I wish out of the three of us, though, when it comes nearer to the time, doesn't end up going.

SPEAKER_02 6:36

You.

History

SPEAKER_01 6:39

But anyway, right, so Celvert and Hatch. Uh to most people, or you say for example, you were driving past, you wouldn't see Celvin Hatch, because obviously it's a secret bunker. So there's nothing there but farmland. But if you gone out of your car and you ventured through the woodlands there and you were walking a bit nearer, you would eventually stumble across a perfectly looking bungalow, just a normal, ordinary bungalow that you would find in the middle of the street, and it's set back from the road, it's on private land in Brentwood, Essex, and it's deliberately designed that way to be just a normal bungalow.

SPEAKER_02 7:13

I thought it was a nuclear bungalow. You told me it's a bungalow.

SPEAKER_01 7:16

And it's a nuclear bungalow. But it's below the bungalow, obviously, that that that is kind of what we want to do. Yeah, so basically it was done deliberately so that anyone, you know, say the Russians or you know, I don't know, at that period of time, maybe even the Germans. Anyone who was looking virtually down would just see a bungalow and they would never realise that underneath it is a full-blown kind of military station, if you want to call it that. So it's a bungalow, as I said, and underneath is probably one of the most significant and most secret pieces of Cold War infrastructure in that time in Britain. I mean, it's still there, so obviously it's still there, it still has the origins. Um, but it was called um well, actually, let me go back to so it was built in the 1950s and it was part of a government programme called Rotar. And this was Britain's Cold War early warning and radar defence network. And the idea was simple in theory but terrifying in practice. If the Soviet Union launched a nuclear attack, Britain needed somewhere for essential personnel to go. We're not talking just military commanders, we're talking government ministers, civil servants, and even BBC broadcasters, because the people who basically, in theory, keep the country functioning after if the bombs had fallen. So, Matt, do you think you'd be invited?

SPEAKER_00 8:50

I I doubt it. Uh I don't think I'm important enough. I'd heard on the uh Great Vine that Roland Ratt had been invited. He's quite important at the time, wasn't he? But Roland Ratt. I didn't remember.

SPEAKER_01 9:03

Well he would he would have invited himself and burrowed his way in, right? So um but yeah, he's a bit too young to remember.

SPEAKER_00 9:09

Yeah, unlikely the walls are about twenty foot thick, aren't they?

SPEAKER_02 9:12

Who decides who gets in?

SPEAKER_00 9:14

Well, because I'll th I mean that is the It'd be the the government of the time, wouldn't it? It would be the Prime Minister, much like the cabinet, um and support military sports stuff.

SPEAKER_01 9:25

Yeah, so you were either on the list or you weren't. You know, you're either coming in or you're not coming in, so it's one of those situations, but nobody got a special pass, so you touched on it, the Prime Minister and senior government officials at the time would have been invited. Unfortunately, their own family members wouldn't have got an invite. That's crazy. So you would be kind of saying goodbye to them, really, in a weird kind of twisted way. The genius, if you want to call it that, of Kelvin Hatch is the entrance, because as I say, we approach through a bungalow and it's an entire entirely normal looking residential building, and from there you go into the building and you descend through a tunnel. It's a long sloping concrete tunnel that takes you to three stories underground. Three stories. So how long does it take you to get three stories underground? Um do you know what? Not that long. The descent takes a couple of minutes uh on foot. And how long is it? It's about 120 metres approximately.

SPEAKER_02 10:24

But you've got to go on foot though, there's no secret nice at all.

SPEAKER_01 10:27

Yeah, so you I think you've got to go down a flight of stairs and then uh and then you hit the tunnel and then you're going straight down. That's not very VIP. It's not nothing about it is VIP, mate, to be honest with you. Yeah, but if I was the Prime Minister and I'm getting forced into a nuclear bunker, I don't want to be walking down. I don't think you're really kind of thinking about VIP status at that point when you've got nuclear bombs raining down.

SPEAKER_00 10:48

Place is built for the end of the world. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:50

Have either of you ever been to Birchdersgarten? No. Have you not? It's uh it's the eagle's nest, it's Hitler's house in the Austrian Alps. Right. You go into the side of the mountain, there's a solid gold elevator that takes you up through the middle of the mountain right into the centre of his house. That's what I want for my nuclear bunker.

SPEAKER_00 11:07

Some kind of Willy Wonka mate sort of world.

SPEAKER_03 11:11

Willy Wonka of an elevator.

SPEAKER_01 11:15

That's a good that'll be a good spin-off. Or watch that. Yeah. Or watch that. Or James Bond with Willy Wonka being the bad guy.

SPEAKER_00 11:24

Willie Hitler.

SPEAKER_01 11:26

We'll cut that.

SPEAKER_02 11:27

Right. Um so nobody knew it that that this place was under this bungalow.

SPEAKER_01 11:34

It was just a nice thing. So for decades that was the total point. Nobody knew it was there, nobody knew what it was there for, and yeah, it was the the secrecy was absolute. So the official designation, if anyone asked, it was just a radar station. And then when you kind of go around the other side of the other kind of other entrance, if you want to call it that, because there is like a steel door which kind of goes around like as if it's a marine, right? Yeah, which is now the museum entrance. But uh, if you were to park in that area, you would see the radar still station still there now. Um so nothing more than that, really. The locals had no idea what was beneath their feet. The radar mast, as I said, is still there today. So naturally, locals probably just didn't think anything of it.

SPEAKER_02 12:20

So it makes you wonder what's going on now, or what's uh what's underneath our feet.

SPEAKER_01 12:26

Well, that's it. There's hidden hidden tunnels in a lot of um English towns and cities, you know.

SPEAKER_00 12:33

Well, up and down the country, Wales, Scotland, and they pop up down here.

SPEAKER_01 12:36

Yeah, I mean I went to university in Winchester and um there's a lot of tunnels underneath there that lead straight to the underground of the cathedral because it was for um Alfred the Great. That's cool. And it was a way for him to kind of uh get into the you know the not only the cathedral but the parliamentary aspect of the buildings, I guess. I don't know, but yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:57

You never see the tunnels. All my all my tunnels that I've got down there are smuggling tunnels. They're just for crime, crime tunnels.

SPEAKER_01 13:04

But obviously Dover as well. Dover's still got a lot of hidden tunnels and um, you know, some like Western Heights, there's still some Ramsgate as well. Ramsgate. Oh yeah, Ramsgate tunnels. Yeah, that's the dream. But again, like if we keep saying all this, someone out there will listen to this and go. Ramsgate tunnels. Yeah. Uh yeah, Dover tunnels. Dover tunnels.

SPEAKER_00 13:24

Margate's got tunnels. Margate tunnels.

SPEAKER_01 13:27

If you're watching and you know of any tunnels that are accessible, just give us a shout. Channel tunnel. So uh yes.

SPEAKER_02 13:36

So what's inside? When we get down the 120 meter slope, what do we find?

SPEAKER_01 13:42

So you've got three underground levels and they're very, very vast. I'd say they're maze-like, right in that.

SPEAKER_00 13:48

Yeah. Yeah. Easy to go down. You go you go down the long tunnel, don't you? Which interestingly, the times I've been, you've not been allowed to go in that way because there have been people living in the bungalow upstairs, it is residential. That's kind of cool. Um so although that would have been the official way back in the day, there's a there's a backdoor tunnel in. Fucking you know, sort of they wept an extension on the side and there's a bit of a bit like a ferret ferret uh tube in, isn't there? But if you were to come down the main entrance, very, very long tunnel, very creepy in the dark. And as I remember you come down and you come to a dog leg and you do a left, and then the right is a big blast door. That's right, very, very thick, very, very heavy.

SPEAKER_03 14:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:31

Um and then when that shuts, that's very much like as if you're shutting a big old door on a submarine, you know, you're spinning the wheel and it's like you're in, you're in. Yeah, that's it. Like, you know, see you in 20 years kind of thing, you know, once that door closes, right? Or you know, like if you go into the big brother house and you're the last one in and they shut the door, that's it. Crappy, you have been evicted. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So that would be the only time you would see daylight again, basically.

SPEAKER_02 15:00

So suppose uh 20 years, how long were they how long was this place meant to hold people for?

SPEAKER_01 15:07

Well, it was open from the 50s until 1992. But so there's going back to what we were saying, there's operations rooms, telecom centres, a BBC broadcasting suite, because someone had to keep broadcasting in the country if it was obviously if it was still standing. There's medical facilities, sick bays, dormitories, a canteen, life support systems, everything you need to survive underground for an extended period of time.

SPEAKER_02 15:32

So they had no sort of like they just were like, if you're down here, we're down here for a long time.

SPEAKER_01 15:37

Yeah, and uh that doesn't really kind of have a comfortable answer, I guess. The thinking was survive the immediate blast and the fallout period, and then it would be kind of weeks, months, and then someone would pop their head up just to check what's going on and yeah, the state of the country after the bombs had fallen.

SPEAKER_02 15:58

Well, that's it must be a terrible thing to have to carry to know that one day you're just gonna have to go down underground, leave all your family, all your friends behind for an undisclosed period of time, and then what, stick your head out and go, Oh, everybody I love and know is gone and I've got a restart. Um pretty much. Just can you imagine going to work and being like, right, today's the day?

SPEAKER_01 16:24

Yeah, okay. I mean, obviously, um America for years always had that fear and uh anxiety over Russia and the the whole Soviet crisis and all that. It was always a a niggling thing. Even when I was growing up in the 80s, I don't know if you remember that there was always this fear of the the Cold War on the news. Was it a British fear as well? Yeah, yeah, it was, yeah, because we you know we're we're tight with America, right? So we're we're we're allies.

SPEAKER_00 16:53

I mean you've seen you've seen in Jose Bond films, you know, we're very heavily involved in the Cold War, the KGB. That's that's that period of time when you know we would have been putting spies into Russia, America would have been doing the same.

SPEAKER_02 17:04

I mean obviously I I the the media that you sort of see, having not lived it, is America was very concerned about the was was concerned about the possibility of nuclear war and being bombed by Russians. But I will did that anxiety extend to the British public as well? Was there a genuine fear that you're like, oh yes, any moment, yeah?

SPEAKER_00 17:28

It's not hugely dissimilar to what you've had happen in more recent history with other countries acquiring a nuclear threat. The only difference is that in our lifetime they've been more smaller countries in comparison to the the greater world forces, so they've been able to sort them out, as it were, is a bit like has gone on with uh Iran at the moment um and Iraq back in the day. It was it was feared that Saddam had a huge arsenal he was building up, but the Russians are a different matter because they're a huge world power. So they're not so easy to just invade and disarm because they won't let you walk in the front door or the back door quite so easily. Yeah, and that was the fear.

SPEAKER_01 18:10

But even other countries in Europe, like you know, there's like Finland, which is a very thin piece of land between them and Russia. Fin piece. There's always been that kind of like you know, anxiety of Russia will always have their finger on the button and launch at any country that they want to, if they you know, if that's the way. But equally, even with America and Russia, they're always in competition, even in space programme. You know, they were always battling on who's gonna go to the moon first, and obviously I if you believe it, America won that one.

SPEAKER_00 18:40

But um Matt, do you believe it? The irony is is that having nuclear weapons in countries is what uh keeps peace. I don't know if you've heard of the term mad, mutually assured destruction. Yeah. If everybody has nuclear warheads, nobody's really gonna push the button. Because the first person that does push the button, the next person will push theirs seconds afterwards because their systems will detect that's happened. And so you all just sit back and argue, but you never really get close to the button. That keeps peace.

SPEAKER_01 19:10

And then eventually what happens is um it turns into Terminator 2, where Skynet then just launches itself and yeah, end of the world.

SPEAKER_00 19:21

I mean you need AI, you need AI for that to happen, don't you? So we're perfectly safe. I think we're right on the money at the moment, actually.

SPEAKER_01 19:29

If we talk about it too much, AI will kick in and go, oh, you want us to launch? Not a problem, we'll do it now.

SPEAKER_02 19:34

Um see when I see when I hear about sci-fi films coming true, I want like I want Jurassic Park.

SPEAKER_01 19:40

I don't want Well, we've got Jurassic Park already, because we've got Laura working behind the scenes with her reptiles, you know, she's the Koreans. Yeah, the Koreans, exactly. So, you know, you're gonna have Korean Park. Korean Park.

SPEAKER_02 19:55

Sounds like a really, really bad takeaway that will be launched. Or there are about Are there a few hundred million Korean parks?

SPEAKER_01 20:04

I have no idea. This is another research point, really, to be honest with you. But you know, we've got disclosure day coming out this week as well, and you know, people will be ripping off their masks and they'll be all reptilians because you know, this is this is how they can, you know, yeah, they're gonna look it forwards to reptilians.

SPEAKER_02 20:21

Yes. But anyway, getting back to So how long did they do this for? How long did they stay? How long were they doing this for?

SPEAKER_01 20:27

Forty, 40 years. Bunker was operational, like I said, 50s through to 1992, uh, which was the kind of pinnacle of the end of the Cold War. It was then decommissioned and the Soviet threat receded, and the parish family who own the land since the government's compulsory purchase reclaimed the land and opened it up to the public. Oh, can you imagine that?

SPEAKER_02 20:51

Can you imagine being like the government takes over your gaff, turns it into a multi-million pound facility, and then they say, Hey, you can have it back.

SPEAKER_00 20:59

They give you a load of money for it when they do it, I think, don't they?

SPEAKER_01 21:02

Well that well but that's the thing. I mean, it it's a time capsule, so everything that was when it was handed back, it's handed back as it is that you see it in. Obviously, you haven't been there, so you're gonna be I won't want to ruin it for you, but when you go in there and you see everything that that it that is in there that has been left from the moment that the government had left. So, and like we've been going since what, 2015, 16, so nothing has changed in there, nothing's been added, it's as it is. So I can't imagine that it's changed at all. I think I could have done that, I think I'd have ruined it.

SPEAKER_02 21:33

You would have what? I'd have ruined it. Ruin what? Kelvin Denge, I think I don't think I could have left it alone. Oh, I see you would have just gone just trashed the place and then left it, right?

SPEAKER_00 21:42

No, I'd have turned it into whatever I wanted.

SPEAKER_02 21:43

Oh.

SPEAKER_00 21:44

I wouldn't have left it as a nuclear bunker. All this is interesting for the podcast because if you think about what the bunker embodies, it embodies something that never happened. You know, war, it's cold war fear, it's government secrecy, it's the collapse of society. Is Kelverdon Hatch haunted by an idea?

SPEAKER_01 22:04

And we're gonna come back to that on part two. Put a pin in that. We're gonna come back to that on part two because you don't know that, but we are actually touching upon that. Yeah, that's very spooky. Yeah. Look at that. How do you know that? Telekinesis sort of a son.

SPEAKER_00 22:20

He's one of the Russians, so so would I actually as far as what I know.

SPEAKER_01 22:23

Matt So it's a museum now. Yeah, so it's a museum, and it's obviously a remarkable one, if you want to kind of call it that. Most of the original equipment is still in place, like I said. It's a time capsule. You walk through and you're looking at the exact hardware and everything that it that that was being used in that period of time. So you've got the phones, the consoles, the broadcast equipment, the old dot matrix printers, and the very, very old computers with keyboards and phones that you would pick up. Yeah, with cords, yeah. Yeah. Did they have the little dials that go around and down? Oh my god. Yeah. People with your age, mate, wouldn't understand.

SPEAKER_02 23:03

I'm still old enough to remember when you had to pick up a phone up and actually press buttons and and it was and you could only go so far, I can just remember that.

SPEAKER_00 23:10

Yeah, well you had to sit on the stairs in in my case, in my house, sit on the stairs, because that's as far as the cord. If I wanted to chat to my girlfriend of the day, I'd have to phone up and get through the gatekeeper and mother as well. Those days you couldn't just text her and let her know you were coming. And we had an old dull phone with nine on the end.

SPEAKER_01 23:33

You don't get crank callers anymore. Back in the day, when those phones were out about, you know, people you'd get crank callers, like people breathing down the phone and like you know, you know. That's just me now.

SPEAKER_02 23:47

Yeah.

What Makes The Location Exciting

SPEAKER_02 23:49

So quite creepy. So as an investigation location, what makes this interesting apart from the history about it?

SPEAKER_01 23:59

There's a few things. So the the physical environment is unique. As I say, it's deep underground, so the temperature is stable, cool, consistent, but you do get localized fluctuations. The acoustics are of those of a sealed concrete structure. Sounds behave, yeah, sounds behave differently down there. And there's something harder to quantify, the weight of the place, what it was built to do. Forty years of people living with you know with the possibility of nuclear war, uh drilling for it, preparing for it, and that kind of sustained human presence that sustain dread, if you want. And if I'm being honest, that leaves something behind, or at least that's our working theory.

SPEAKER_02 24:40

Matt, how do you feel when you go down there?

SPEAKER_00 24:41

How do I feel?

SPEAKER_02 24:42

Um is it crushing silence?

SPEAKER_00 24:45

Is it sort of I think it's that you're in a place out of time. Um and I've spoken about this in in the episode that I did about that concept of liminality, when you go into a place and you're viewing it out of context and that does something to your brain that says this isn't right, it doesn't feel right. It's that shiver you get out of your spine. Not necessarily fear, but just this doesn't sit well with me. That's what I get when I I I go into Calvin.

SPEAKER_02 25:12

So would you say that that would account for some of the experiences?

SPEAKER_00 25:15

I th I mean if we talk about this later, I'll come back to infrasound because I mentioned it on the last episode. But interestingly, I was thinking about this. If you were to build a space for testing infrasound, you'd probably build Celverdon. That's what you'd come up with. You might not call it Celverdon, and you might not call it, you know, associate it with a nuclear bunker and stick all of the machinery in it, but you'd build something underground with no lights that has low electrical frequencies in terms of electricity, so you've got that infrasound lower than the human human hearing sound, you'd probably come up with something like Celverdon, which I think is interesting in itself.

SPEAKER_02 25:56

So, how long have we been going back now? So was it you said 2015?

SPEAKER_01 26:01

Yeah, I I mean we'll me and Matt have been around with the case team since then, so you know, even before we joined, they probably were going, you know, earlier than that. So we've got a good record for it then, good amount of experiences. Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 26:16

Yeah, I mean it's as as I say, it's a place that we'll we'll always keep going back to because it's just you know, just something that's always gonna be ge gives us stuff for us, but I think even in the wider um paranormal community, it's it's up there as one of the greats. I mean, it's on I'm sure you're gonna cover this anyway, but most most of the programmes with the big names, which I'll let Krabby rattle off, they've all done an episode on Galverdon.

unknown 26:40

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 26:41

And I'm gonna touch upon that.

SPEAKER_02 26:43

So before we get into the 2025 investigation, which I was not a part of, Matt, were you a part of that one last year's? No, that was the one that uh went big and I missed it.

Stories

SPEAKER_02 26:52

Right. Um because we want to hear what happened. There's a whole history of our investigations that you've got planned out for us, different visits, different team members, different years, and uh we come back with with stories.

SPEAKER_01 27:08

Yeah, and obviously it'd be it's you know part of my my job here to kind of share those stories because they matter. Um because when you hear of what happened in 2025, you'll understand that the 2025 investigation didn't happen in isolation, it happened as much of a kind of longer conversation with this place. So um there is a wider paranormal reputation as well, like we were just saying there, and I've got some stories here from what other groups and people have experienced experienced there across the years. Um, so before yeah, before we talk about what our own team experienced there, I think obviously it's very worth uh stepping back and looking at the wider picture of the place because case are far from the only people who have gone into that bunker and come out with something that they couldn't explain. Um Kelverton Hatch has one of the most consistent paranormal reputations of any location in the southeast of England. And the accounts from different groups, different years, different approaches, they keep returning to the same things.

SPEAKER_02 28:15

And well, we've been going back for a long, long time, but how long has it had how long has it been garnering a reputation for?

SPEAKER_01 28:22

Um I guess you can say since it opened to the public. So, you know, you're talking 90s easily, uh up until today, so almost immediately. Multiple paranormal investigation companies have run events there over the years, but also individual paranormal investigators too, which you know, if you were to look it up on YouTube, you would see singular YouTubers who have been there and they've got their own uh they've got their own investigations and stuff that they've come up with. But uh the same common themes seem to come up again and again. Um regardless of who's running the event or who or who's attending it, the the consistency across completely unconnected groups, that's one of the more compelling things about this location, is that when you get the same phenomena reported in the same rooms by people who have never spoken to each other, that makes it harder to dismiss than a single account, however credible. So tell me about them. Okay, so let me take you through the main ones because some of these are quite extraordinary, really, and I think you're probably going to hear this for the first time because uh I've done a little bit of research. Matt, if you want to jump in at any point here, if anything jumps out to you,

Story 1 - Foreman and The Walls

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by all means. So account number one uh is the foreman in the walls. So we'll start with something that actually predates any paranormal investigation at Kelverdon. There's a story rooted in the construction of the bunker itself. The walls of Kelverdon Hatch are ten feet thick, and they were poured over a period of weeks, concrete going in day and night without stopping. And one morning the day shift arrived to find that the foreman's hard hat was floating on the surface of the wet concrete. The foreman himself was nowhere to be found, and he was never ever seen again.

SPEAKER_02 30:06

So he's he's he's in the concrete then?

SPEAKER_01 30:10

That's the assumption. That's right. That he's fallen in during the night shift, and by the time anyone's actually noticed, concrete has already taken them away.

SPEAKER_00 30:18

So this this story's been going round forever with Celverdon. Any programme you watch, it mentions this, it's when they roll out. So much so that last night, and I haven't had a response yet, I emailed the construction company that built Celverdon Hatch. So they are still Calvin. That's awesome. And uh I haven't had a response in 24 hours, that's probably not unsurprising. But I was asking if they have any record of a death because they would have, um you would think in their archives. But I think it's something that warrants more investigation because if somebody did die there, that can't be covered up. That has to be recorded. You know, a coroner has to be called. There would be death records in the area. It could even yeah. Government. I don't think that automatically means everything becomes secret, though. You can't cover up a death.

SPEAKER_01 31:08

Um you could. I mean he he he could just be classified as missing, assumed dead, but not kind of a few meters covered in concrete.

SPEAKER_00 31:22

People are gonna ask questions, aren't they? He's gonna have family. I'm actually more disappointed that you knew this. It might be insurance payouts.

SPEAKER_02 31:29

Can we actually just acknowledge as well how like I'm no Drowning must be terrible.

SPEAKER_00 31:34

In congruent, even worse. But that must be the worst. Yeah. I all I'm saying is I think it warrants more investigation. And I as far as I know, because it crops up every time, it the reason it's important to me is it's the ghost that haunts Kelverdon. If you go down the other line of inquiry of, well nobody's ever died there, then why is it haunted? Which is a separate question in its own right with other bona fide responses, that's the one people always pull out. But that's the one that needs the most research to me because I I still think it could be validated one way or the other.

SPEAKER_02 32:07

Yeah, you make a good point. So if you reframe it, you're not actually inside a nuclear bunker, you're actually inside potentially uh someone's grave, which is could be a tomb, couldn't it? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:20

Um yeah, I mean, as we said, it's a story that exists. Like, you know, like Matt says, it's very much in a grey area. It's been repeated by enough sources, including the site itself, and it's treated as part of the location's history. Whether it's fully verifiable, maybe we'll get a response. In the strict sense, it's harder to say, but multiple investigation companies cite it, and it's one of those stories that feels like as if it has weight behind it, but it's got weight, but not necessarily the truth. Uh, that kind of thing doesn't just get invited invented from nothing, something must have stirred that up, some some form of rumour mill. Um, however, as you know, on record there has been no actual reported deaths on this site, but there does seem to be a lot of contradiction in terms of that and and the truth.

SPEAKER_00 33:12

I mean, if if the construction company were to come back and categorically say we can tell you that during the building of Kelverdon Hatch back in the 50s, none of our workmen or contractors died to our knowledge. We have no record of a death. Could you understand? That's quite a big, isn't it? That closes that off. That's big for case to put that out there. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:33

Just out of interest, do you reckon you could Because obviously it's the it's declassified now, right? I should say, Freedom of Information.

SPEAKER_00 33:43

No, because the Freedom of Information App wasn't around then. Yeah, but as in back then, so they weren't required to retain auditory records of things. They'd say we've got nothing to tell you.

SPEAKER_01 33:52

But again, like you know, you you you might establish that one of the viewers who has links to Kelvin and Hatch are watching this episode mainly because we're talking about Celvin Hatch, they might be sitting there going, Well, I know the answer to that. So if you do, you know, put it in the comments if you have any further information to add on that.

SPEAKER_00 34:08

Maybe, maybe the guy who did die there was your great-great uncle. Somebody out if there's someone did someone at the way you meant my great-uncle. Well, you wouldn't know, would you know if it died? If it's incorporated into the walls.

SPEAKER_01 34:25

Yeah. It'd be quite funny, wouldn't it, if it ends up that it was somebody that I knew or you guys.

SPEAKER_00 34:30

But look, the uh the other interesting angle, which I'm sure you're gonna come on to because we're we're Gemini. Yeah, in order to create Calvin, you've got to dig a big hole downwards. What do you just do when you're digging a big hole downwards?

SPEAKER_02 34:41

That's a good point. Yes. Because it's not always the location, is it? It's the land.

SPEAKER_00 34:45

And the history of that land. Which you know, England's not sure of. No. We've got enough of it. Essex isn't short of, apparently. In terms of um pre-almost pre-history. Yep. Yeah, you've you're gonna dig down not too many layers before you start coming across ancient settlement. So you reckon they just went bang straight through everything. Who knows? And that's a more interesting point, because that's when I don't think they would stop to call in the archaeologists. They'd keep digging.

SPEAKER_01 35:18

Yeah, absolutely. And again, there would be

Story 2: The Grey Lady and The RAF Officer

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some form of hush hush on what's been dug out as well.

SPEAKER_02 35:24

So we've got a potential potential source of haunting in this foreman. Bless him if he did that's rough. Next up, we've got anything else?

SPEAKER_01 35:34

Yeah, so account number two, and and this one's kind of piqued my interest um quite a lot because this one is the grey lady and the REF officer. That's a shade. There's always a grey lady. There's always a grey lady. There's always a grey lady. She needs she didn't see no daylight down there, that's why. Well then life was in black and white bat then, wasn't it? No colour TV then, yeah. So the apparitions, because this is where Kelvin and Hatch gets quite specific, and it's this that really matters. It's not just a shadowy figure or vague presences, they are reoccurring, described apparitions that investigators form from completely different groups have reported independently. And what do they say? So the most the most consistently reported is what's come to be known as the Grey Lady, a tall figure described by multiple witnesses as unusually tall, moving through the complex, grey in appearance, and she doesn't interact, she moves between rooms, and when people follow or call out, she's gone. And then there's the REF officer, also reported by multiple investigators across different events, different years. A male figure in what appears to be in uniform. More than one person has had the experience of encountering a woman in uniform who doesn't just appear, she speaks. She tells people to leave the building, and not a whisper, but something more ambiguous in as in like an instruction and a shout of like get out. That's interesting.

SPEAKER_02 36:58

She actually sits and that's her purpose of afterlife is to tell people to get out.

SPEAKER_00 37:04

I think she's generally seen in the tunnel as well, isn't it? That particular character is usually striding towards you down the tunnel. Um which of course is, as we said, the original entrance.

SPEAKER_01 37:14

Hmm. And what makes it interesting as well is that I heard those footsteps as well, which was definitely military boots on the ground. You can just tell because my dad was in the REF, and I can tell the difference between trainers and shoes and kind of military boots kind of thing. There's a distinct sound in that. And I and I again I've I've already told the story to Matt that just me and and a guy who Big John, he's he's not with us anymore. He's not dead, he's just not with the group anymore. Do you know that? Well, he's still alive. Well, I hope he is.

SPEAKER_02 37:48

I mean, you know, otherwise Big John, if you are getting the comments, just let us know, mate. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:55

If you're on the other side, let us know as well. Also let us know.

SPEAKER_01 38:00

Give us a like. Give us a like. Give us a like. Um so yeah, um, she's quite firm. So I haven't seen an apparition in terms of seeing a female or hearing a female's voice, but you know, if you think about an REF officer, military boots on the ground, which I've heard clear as day, you know, and there was no one there, it's come from behind me, it's walked past me. I there I I mean I I I can't put an explanation into that. I really can't. I'm so excited. So, yeah, so she tells them to leave, and it's direct, it's anger angrily angrily, yeah, angrily by some accounts, and then and one visitor moving through the dormitory alone reported hearing a disembodied male voice telling him to go back, um, but there was no one else in the area, so there's no explanation for that. I just want to kind of touch upon that kind of female entity as well. There's a there I don't want to name them, but there is a YouTube um group who have did a video uh of Kelvid and and upstairs, funny enough, um there's a window in the dormitory and they caught an apparition of a woman uh on their video, but I don't know whether to believe it or not. But send me that link. I want to see it. Yeah, I'll I'll send you the link. But um it's it's an interesting fight.

SPEAKER_00 39:17

Is this the same and again forgive me if I'm stamping all over your plans, but when I've heard about the woman, often people mention in the same vein her as her being a demonic presence, which I have my own thoughts about the word demonic in this line of uh hobby. But I've often heard that in terms of the uh the older lady being slightly freakishly tall. Yeah, it does sound rough, and then others have interpreted that into a demonic kind of it's an interesting point.

SPEAKER_01 39:49

Yeah, it's an interesting point because I think that maybe some people see her as a woman, and then there's other people that see her as this tall, dark like the slender man, the slender woman. Absolutely, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so maybe it's how we in how we interpret in our minds of how she's being viewed at.

SPEAKER_00 40:08

Yeah. I mean if if you're gonna haunt anywhere and be tall and slender, you've picked the wrong place because the ceilings are low.

SPEAKER_01 40:16

And a bit of a bad back.

SPEAKER_02 40:18

So you so she's sitting in the dormitory uh dormitory. Hmm. So that's where obviously people would have slept, um, and they'll just existed there, just with the weight of knowing that they could just be stuck down there forever.

SPEAKER_01 40:33

Yeah, and and like as I think back as well, like uh the investigation last year in that dormitory area, there was a there was at some point a very kind of loud voice which wasn't picked up on any um cameras or or um digital voice recorders. It wasn't picked up, but it was heard by myself, Alan, and Lisa at the time. And this dormitory area then leads into the medical wing, which um again is a very kind of hot hotspot place of uh of activity. So um, so yeah, so the dormitory again it it it it's consistently and exact exactly where activity kind of clusters, I suppose.

SPEAKER_02 41:15

And you'd expect it too, wouldn't you? Is to where the social aspect of life is

Story 3 - The Sick Bay

SPEAKER_02 41:20

you might expect that after death.

SPEAKER_01 41:22

Absolutely, and in account free, it takes us nicely into the sick bay. So in terms of what gets reported, this is the most intense location in the entire bunker. Multiple investigation companies have flagged it independently as one of the most primary hotspots in the building, and what gets reported there is different in character from the rest of the building. So how was it different? So the sick bay contained cardboard coffins, flat pack, easier to store in bulk. The thinking being that if the bombs fell and the bunker was sealed, people were gonna die inside it, and there had to be somewhere to put them. So there were coffins ready and waiting in the sick bay, and there is actually one of the wooden coffins still there today uh as an example for showing people that go in there of what they look like, I guess.

SPEAKER_02 42:12

So that's lovely. Can you imagine seeing that when you're when you're supposed to be recovering and you just like, oh look.

SPEAKER_01 42:21

Funnily enough, it actually is at the end of one of the medical beds. So if you were in the bed, you'd be you'd wake up and you go, Oh god, it's ready for they're ready for me to go in. You'd find a nurse putting together a flat pack conference.

SPEAKER_00 42:31

Oh, you're awake. Oh, I'll put this down and stop. Thank God for that. But you couldn't figure out where D went in to be. Could you just give me a hand with it?

SPEAKER_02 42:42

Have you seen C1?

SPEAKER_01 42:45

But uh yeah, I mean uh it as I say that there's a lot of stuff over the course of years that's happened in the medical bay for for case and um, you know, KPS before case. There's that there's been a lot of activity in that area, and that's kind of you know, dark shadows have been reported in the room consistently, figures moving backwards and forth. Uh, but beyond the visual, investigators and mediums across different groups have independently described picking up something in that room that doesn't feel like residual energy. Something that feels active, intentional, and a malevolent presence is how it's been described repeatedly. Not threatening or in a dramatic sense, but more like a weight, a pressure. Uh, the kind of feeling that makes people not want to stay in there, basically. And that's multiple people, Matt.

SPEAKER_00 43:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 43:37

Is that right? Yeah, I would say so. Wow. So that's just like a oh, is that yeah. First confirmation, and that's how it feels. Yeah. But you multiple resources.

SPEAKER_01 43:48

You know, hopefully this is not too spoilery for you, but multiple groups, different events, different years, some of them mediums, some of them using equipment, some of them just people on their first ghost hunt who have walked in there and immediately. Wanted to walk back out. The sick bay generally produces something that people feel in their body before they've possessed uh processed it in intellectually. And some of the darker accounts describe an entity in that area, something that doesn't feel like a former occupant of the bunker, something older than the bunker itself.

SPEAKER_02 44:18

Yeah, so that's uh older the bunker sounds like land. Yeah, um so what is that what you say about it being a burial ground?

SPEAKER_01 44:29

Exactly. Yeah, so this is uh there is believed to have been an ancient burial ground disturbed during construction. This is another this is another rumour mill as well, which adds another layer entirely to what might be present down there, something that has to do with the Cold War, something that was there long before the concrete were poured into it. However, again, this notion of bodies being disturbed or dug up when the bunker was created has been dismissed.

SPEAKER_00 44:56

For me, I think that's that's more of a compelling uh justification for hauntings than um man falls into concrete and dies and his hat floats on top. Because I I still maintain that you know the fact that that story persists, but nobody's ever dug up a name or any specifics is historically what's interesting in itself. But when you start digging down through any layers in this country, you dig start digging into history. I mean, the London Underground's the greatest example of that, isn't it? That's why it's supposedly so haunted.

unknown 45:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 45:28

Nearly every underground station has dug through crypts, it's dug through ancient graveyards, plague pits. Yeah, yeah. You can't move in this country for for dead people under the earth.

SPEAKER_02 45:37

In my last job, I was uh I was an aerial drone surveyor, and um we went and did the ground survey for Ramsgate's new train station. It was just three Roman slave burials just in this the standard area of where they were planning to build this, like two, I think it was two bodies, just fetal position cuffed in chains just in a field in Ramsgate. So why wouldn't there be one just everywhere?

SPEAKER_01 46:07

Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, I I I worked in Liverpool Street for a while, and when they were digging out the Elizabeth line over the course of years, they disturbed so many, you know, it's the same um Black Death Plague um burial sites and uh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:21

That's often why the work takes so long. They have to stop every time they come across a body.

SPEAKER_01 46:26

Yeah, yeah. There's a protest, isn't there? And they have to get coroners and yeah, yeah. So yeah, it doesn't surprise me at all.

SPEAKER_02 46:38

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Story 4: The Generator That Turned Itself On

SPEAKER_02 46:43

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SPEAKER_01 46:46

So um, yeah, so account four, uh the generator that turned itself on. So uh there's the one that I find hardest to explain, which is this one. So during one investigation, the group was gathered near the generators on the lower level, and uh the generator just switched itself on.

SPEAKER_02 47:05

I thought this place was supposed to be dormant.

SPEAKER_01 47:08

It is, yeah. So the generator was it wasn't triggered by anyone in the group, and the significant detail was that, as you say, those generators had never once been activated since the bunker the bunker became a museum. They were all decommissioned, they were not supposed to be operational, and yet in the middle of an investigation, multiple witness present as well, it switched on.

SPEAKER_00 47:29

Do we know what powers the um the generators are they electric or are they? They'd be electric, yeah. They're not fuel like some generators are diesel.

SPEAKER_01 47:36

No. And I you wouldn't be able to have diesel that being that you could have an exhaust above ground.

SPEAKER_02 47:42

Thermo thermo energy from the ground, being that deep, maybe.

SPEAKER_00 47:46

Maybe.

SPEAKER_02 47:47

I mean, do they have that in the fifties?

SPEAKER_00 47:49

Stretching my engineer experience here, which is zero, quite frankly.

SPEAKER_01 47:52

I I I I just I would find it hard to believe to be diesel because that's on the bottom floor. If that thing goes up, you're then gonna blow up the the neck you're gonna blow up the entire building, like upwards.

SPEAKER_00 48:03

Is it's I'm gonna throw this out there as a driver of a diesel car for years. I'm not sure diesel's flammable or explosive, is it? Petrol certainly is. I don't think diesel is it's got me there.

SPEAKER_02 48:12

I mean it has to to a certain extent, right? It's a combustion engine to a certain extent.

SPEAKER_00 48:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 48:17

I mean fuel, right? Spot plugs, I suppose, to create the bang boom bang boom bust or whatever it's called. But there's no so there's no boring, mundane explanation, like there's there was a little bit of diesel that just got clumped up and you know, you know, in the car when you get a bit of bad fuel and it goes uh boom a boom bang a bum and I'll that's Eurovision entry, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_00 48:38

Boom bang a bang. Here we go. We're getting off top of the honestly. Sweet Jesus. Okay. But sorry, going back to the original, it's me the friendly, the friendly sceptic trying to come up with answers, but I I don't think I have a well but uh so where I was going with that is what power is that generator, could that still be there? Because actually, if you'd said it was a diesel and then we said, well, actually there's no diesel in it, then that for me is a clearer that is odd to electric, because electric does some funny things, doesn't it? It's electric's never not present unless you completely switch it all off. And Kelverdon has to have some electric because it still has light.

SPEAKER_01 49:13

It does raise a lot of questions, because if we if we were there and that happened, we know full well that it's not going to be fuel in that because it's been dormant for years. So if that was to happen to us, what would you put it down to? Paranormal, right?

SPEAKER_00 49:28

Or it'd definitely be paranormal by definition, particularly if it was a combustible engine, whether it be petrol or diesel, because you need that chemical process to get it to go. Yeah, it physically can't go without the act of combustion, and it needs fuel to ignite to create combustion. So, yeah, that would be paranormal.

SPEAKER_01 49:48

Obviously, the sewage system still works in there, that's never been switched off. So that's a form of kind of energy in itself in terms of kinetic energy, like you know, did did did something combine? Because they're very close together, those generators and the sewage plant. So, did something kind of merge together at that moment in which energy was there, in which lo and behold, by a miracle, that there was enough power in that at that precise time for it to just come off.

SPEAKER_00 50:14

I mean, one thing I do always remember about Kelverdon is there does seem to be a lot of electric in the place, even now, powering lights, etc. Yeah. I recall from an investigation years ago when you're in the uh I can't remember the name of it, but the room with all the typewriters in, sort of the central hub. There are just lots of junctions running along the ceiling carrying cables, and and some of those are still live because um your various CV meters, etc., hum pick them up when you're near them. So there is that to me, that hum of electric in Kelverdon. Yeah, it's there, you can feel it. You can watch it.

SPEAKER_01 50:50

Well, obviously, with it being a working museum during the day, you're gonna have to have some aspect of power. So maybe it was just a coincidence, but the people who were there that at that moment they couldn't find an explanation, and that's not the same as saying that there isn't one, but um when you're in a decommissioned bunker with equipment that hasn't run in decades and something activates in front of a group, you have to sit with that. There's something about this place specifically, it was built to function. Everything it was designed to operate, to respond, to activate on command. So 40 years of that, and if something that remains, if there's a residual energy that was part of that operational life, then maybe who knows, you know, how to activate things.

The Teams Thoughts

SPEAKER_01 51:32

The the haunting could be just kind of like muscle memory or something like that. And how about us? Where have we got to? Because these are other people's experiences, these aren't ours. The location that was already established, already documented, already producing consistent specific phenomena across completely unconnected groups, which means when case walks in, we're not starting from zero. We're walking into somewhere that has already been, in a sense, confirmed by the weight of evidence that came before us, and then we've then added our own layer.

SPEAKER_00 52:04

Do you think Celverdon is then going back to what I said earlier, Celverden is haunted by ideas and past experiences because they're all out there.

SPEAKER_01 52:14

Do you know what? I I've I've said it before is that I believe that when we walk in there, we're picking up from where we've left off on the previous investigation. It's like we're we're we're creating our own story, you know, but we're creating our own experiences because they're not the same as other groups that have gone in there the following week. We go in there like once a year and we seem to be just picking up from where we've left off.

SPEAKER_00 52:36

But right, let me ask Ricky then. As you've not been there before, so you're not currently biased based on what Krab is just said, I wouldn't disagree with that. But do you think that's right? Does that create an expectation when the group goes in?

SPEAKER_02 52:52

Um based upon what I've heard about Kelvin Hatch from obviously this episode here, and then obviously people have raved about this place. Do I think it's created with me a bias to expect stuff? Yeah, probably. Um I will be very disappointed, very disappointed if I go there in September and I don't have a not profound I don't want like an all life-altering, profoundly you know, profound experience. I just would like to maybe have a bit more of a solid experience than than I've had, but uh I don't know, maybe. Um this is this is the problem I suppose with doing this when I've not been there, is that it's gonna prime me. You know, it is going to create a weight of expectation and and I'm gonna hear stories about what has been seen before and then that's gonna obviously influence my mind's eye and and and what I experience.

SPEAKER_00 53:50

At least you're aware of that, right? And that's that's half the battle already, one, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 53:54

Yeah, and I think that's the most important thing with any with any paranormal investigator, you can go into a place, you know, um we're gonna be going next year into one of the most famous paranormal places in the entire world. You know, we won't say where it is, but we're going to be doing it next year, and every single member of Case is going to have a preconceived notion of what they are set to experience, and that is probably gonna be the hardest thing to overcome that we don't let what has come before us influence us and what we experience, and it's really hard to sort of detach yourself from that because at Slough 4 I went the first time, had a great experience, great time, and I experienced quite a bit, and I thought I had a really good time tonight. And I went in there the second time and it was dead, and I still experienced absolutely nothing, but I still in there's a little bit of me that wanted it, but I had to sit there and say no, I'm experiencing what I'm experiencing now.

SPEAKER_00 54:56

And that's and that's when you know you're doing real paranormal stuff, yeah. Because you know, if if it's if it's like a trip to the fairground uh and there's stuff going off left, right, and centre, it's something's not right. It's the the the reality of what we do is 90% of the time it's boring and bugger all happens, um, which is why we all question it. I think it's all like most haunted, isn't it? Because you watch it and think, yeah, that's the reality.

SPEAKER_02 55:21

Yeah, I saw a guy on TikTok, he was like, This is what the this is what the paranormal shows don't show you, and it's just him sat in a room for like five hours just experiencing nothing at all, and that's exactly what it is, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 55:37

And but it's like panning for gold, isn't it? How much yeah, how much earth do they get through before they find that one little nugget, but they keep panning, we keep panning because the gold is worth five. Gold's worth exactly.

SPEAKER_01 55:47

Yeah, and with Celviden, if you wanted to, you know, if you're talking about the panning thing, Celvidon's the ones that gives you the little gold from from from kind of like you know, you're not getting the big gold, but you're getting the little nuggets of gold which keep you going going back.

SPEAKER_00 56:00

So and I've had nuggets of gold there.

SPEAKER_03 56:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 56:02

Um, you know, and and again I'm skeptical. Well you were almost a believer at one point until they call break.

SPEAKER_01 56:09

And then the whole thing.

SPEAKER_00 56:11

I have certainly had two experiences there that I can remember and tell me what you're gonna talk about. Uh and there's one I've had when I don't think you were there, which might have been my first trip to Celverd in the map room. Okay. I don't want to steal your thunder on our experiences if you're gonna

KASE Story 1 - Footsteps Behind Following

SPEAKER_00 56:24

talk to me. I want to move off script completely and go into it.

SPEAKER_01 56:26

Let's come back to that because I just want to kind of uh tell some personal stories from members of Case. Uh so we need to get through that. But um so going back, Celverdon Hatch wasn't new territory for us. We went back in 2025, we'd been there before several times, and some of what our team experienced on those earlier visits has stayed with people, so I kind of want to take you through that.

SPEAKER_02 56:48

No worries at all. I'm looking forward to it, but I really want to hear Matt. I really want to hear Matt.

SPEAKER_01 56:54

We will. We'll come back to Matt in a moment. Oh, all right.

SPEAKER_00 56:56

Two of mine crevels in the room with me.

SPEAKER_01 56:58

Yeah. Yes. I'm I I remember one of them, so I don't know what the second one is, but hold that thought. Um, so let me start from the beginning because even now, going back over what was reported during those earlier visits, it stays with you. So we've got the first account I wanted to share, comes from one of our earlier case visits. One of our members, and I'll just use first names for out, uh, described something that a lot of people who've spent time in that bunker will recognise. Uh they were moving through the lower corridors, no one else was in the section at the time, and they started to hear footsteps, not distant, not ambiguous, but footsteps behind them keeping pace.

SPEAKER_02 57:35

Matt, have you ever heard that?

SPEAKER_00 57:37

I've not heard that story before. That's certainly not mine.

SPEAKER_02 57:40

But when they decided to investigate the footsteps, what did they find?

SPEAKER_01 57:44

Nothing. Empty corridor, but it didn't stop there. The footsteps were accompanied by cold spots. Matt, cold spots? Not the ambient chill of being underground though.

SPEAKER_00 57:53

I think cold spots in a nuclear bunker are got to be expected in places.

SPEAKER_01 57:57

Yeah, apparently this was something different though, something more localized. You walk through a section of a corridor that is noticeably suddenly colder than it was before, and then it's gone, and then it comes back somewhere else. So, I mean, Matt, why can you expect them?

SPEAKER_00 58:13

I mean, look, this place is underground, it's isolated, it's labyrantine, it's acoustically strange. Labyrinthine. It's acoustically strange. Uh I think a lot of that will account for certain things. It plays tricks with your mind. To say it's not paranormal. I don't want to completely discount what people have experienced, what they experienced is their experience, and I won't write that off. But look, this place is culturally associated with death, or at least the expectation of death. That's rough. It's true though.

SPEAKER_01 58:47

So no ventilation or airflow though? So that's always the first thing, obviously, that we check, and in some cases, yes, but there are explanations. But these were spots that moved, uh, appeared in the same areas repeatedly across different visits, reported by different people who weren't comparing notes at the time. Uh, you can explain one cold spot. Uh, you have a harder time explaining why the same patch of corridor on three separate occasions with three separate investigators produces the same localized temperature drop.

SPEAKER_00 59:16

Air conditioning.

SPEAKER_01 59:17

Not on.

SPEAKER_00 59:18

I don't think it has air conditioning.

SPEAKER_01 59:20

No, it doesn't.

SPEAKER_00 59:20

No? Certainly has air ventilation units, which it would have had in the day for filtering air. I don't think they're on when we're there because as I said earlier, it's got it's got a door that that we come in by which would allow air which would tunnel air through it, I suspect.

SPEAKER_01 59:35

I don't think that the ventilation is necessarily um prominent, like where you would naturally feel it. Um it might be a little bit hit and miss in in aspects of the building, but as far as I'm aware, there's no air con, there's no ventilation as such, you might get a a difference in temperature from the ground to to the top, and the middle is obviously different as well. Um heat rises as well. So, you know, if we've got a load of equipment at the bottom floor, you know, and the lights are on in there as well, heat's naturally going to rise. So you're gonna have those types of temperature fluctuations.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:12

But nine times out of ten when you get a cold spot. Well, I say nine times out of ten when you get a cold spot. Colloquially, cold spots are associated with more activity.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:22

Anything else? Uneased, that's the word that came up again and again, kind of not fear exactly, more like the feeling that you're being observed, that something in that space is aware of you.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:33

Uh classic infrasound. That's what it creates. It creates the the feeling of being haunted. As I'm gonna throw this in there, as Uncanny proved in the experiment on the show a couple of years ago. Right with the students in the the aircraft lock up. Okay. To me, that was quite heavily conclusive that you can create the feeling of being haunted by pumping in infrasound, anything less than 20 hertz. The brain picks it up. Yeah, it gives you something which goes, something's not quite right.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:02

I did enjoy the experiment in the wind tunnel though, with uh what was it, convection currents in the house that could come down your chimney.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:09

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:11

Well the member actually the member this the member of case described it as a feeling that they'd walked into a room where a conversation had just stopped. The specific kind of charged silence, so again, infrastru infra sound could be like that.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:26

Um do we have an infrasound detector? You can uh again. I only know this from watching Uncanny because uh in another experiment, I think it was the Oxford poltergeist from memory. I've watched that programme far too many times. It's fantastic. Kieran challenges uh Danny again on infrasound because the house is quite near to a train track which famously creates infrasound from a bit of a distance, and he was off with a little meter that actually measures it. And I recall it was going off the scale, which proved that infrasound was was in the area of those terraced houses.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:59

Yeah, so you can measure it. No, I I used to live by a train station as well, and I used to get freaked out. And um me being me, uh I used to have to walk past the basement stairs and then there was the breaker box as well. Right. And it was like, okay, I'm freaked out. I live right next to a train station, and there's massive EMF being put being kicked off by this uh by this breaker box.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:21

I mean, maybe it's something we should introduce into investigations just as an idea. I mean, I guess it all it is is a Hertz sound detector, because if the sound is anything less than 20 Hertz.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:30

You can go nick it from a school. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:33

But of course, if it's spiking, particularly around somewhere where people go, I feel haunted in this area, something's not right. I think that's not necessarily conclusive, but it's interesting.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:43

Um I know exactly what they mean. Um but when you're in a building that was designed at its core, around the idea of people just waiting, um, you know, waiting to potentially just you know be obliterated by the Russians or you know, and you don't know when that's coming. Um do you think the walls can you know soak up that atmosphere? Four years of just anxiety and oof. What do you think of that?

SPEAKER_01 1:03:07

Yeah, that's exactly the feeling, and it's not just one person, it's mul multiple

KASE Story 2: Unexplained Noises & The Cat on The Spirit Box

SPEAKER_01 1:03:11

people returning to the same spots describing it, describing the same thing. Um, the second set of accounts that I want to share are from a later visit. Uh by this point, we'd started being more structured about how we document things, and across the whole night the team were picking up on random noises, bangs from rooms that were empty, knocks from behind the walls, sounds that didn't match the building settling, didn't match the equipment, didn't match anyone else moving around. So that was probably just the pipes settling in an old building, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:03:43

Well possibly. Possibly normally I would say it could be down to sound pollution from other people in the place. The interesting thing with Celverdon is even when you've got floors above you, there's such solid concrete. You know, everything is solid in Celvedon, there's not something that can easily creak or squeak in the place because of how it's made. That that often dispels that for me. Whereas in anything else, I'd be going possible sound pollution if you've got other people investigating above you or below you.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:11

But it's but the concrete is that thick that it's not going to travel.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:17

No.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:17

Hmm.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:19

I like that. Um I mean a lot of what you hear in an old building underground has to go into the unexplained but possibly mundane category anyway. But what happened in the communications room, uh, that's kind of harder to categorize. Come on in. Communications room. So it's me. And uh on this occasion, and Matt, I don't think you were there. This was uh maybe 2017, I think. So on this occasion, I had just bought my PSB 7 spirit box and I was using it for the very first time. Uh for the spirit box, for anyone who doesn't know, it's a device that sweeps through radio frequencies at speed, or you can slow it down as well. And the theory is that if there's an intelligent presence, it can use the white noise at static that it generates to communicate. You can get words, you can get phrases, but more often than more often than not, you get nothing or just music. But the comms room is one of the most significant areas in the bunker for us as well, in terms of what we've all experienced. This is the room that would have generally been the nerve centre as well, the heart of the operation. If anywhere in that building carries residual energy, then that room is a candidate.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:26

So you got your spirit box out.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:28

I'm assuming something can come through it.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:30

Yeah, a cat meowing.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:34

Interesting. I've not heard this before. Have you not heard this? Interesting. Okay, so uh so I've got the headphones on, I've got the spirit box, and I hear a cat meow. So I've taken out the headphones. It's still going through. And I think it was a guy who's got the Ouija board and who's now left. He hears the cat again. I hear the cat for a second time, he hears it. People in the group catch wind of it as well. Well, and and and clear as day through the spirit box that um you know the communication rooms of a uh a cold war nuclear bunker three floors underground, there's no radio frequency, it's nothing, it's just static. So we hear this cat.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:13

What'd you say about the cat?

SPEAKER_00 1:06:16

I don't have an explanation for a cat. If it's paranormal, my brain goes back to what's been disturbed when you dug the place up.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:23

But bearing in mind, you would have had animals there that would have been brought in as kind of you would have had dogs, you would have had cats, you would have had uh animals to to relieve tension and then go out.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:34

You certainly have cats in those places for rodents.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:36

Exactly, yeah. Yep. So it was enough for the team to stop in their tracks. Nobody spoke for a moment because there obviously was no rational explanation for that sound to come through the way that it did in that location. The PSB 7 box sweeps fragments, it doesn't just pick up on a radio station that plays cat sounds, and there's no cat in the bunker, and there's no there's nothing living down there except obviously us the investigators, and we are so far down that there is also zero radio frequency coming through that can be, you know, uh determined as well. That was the radio, there was nothing.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:12

So you said it come through a couple of times though as well.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:15

Not just once, but twice, and then nothing. And that, in some ways, is what makes it more unsettling, not less, because it wasn't a pattern, it wasn't something you could keep testing. It happened, it was witnessed by other people who heard it, and then it was gone. Uh that collective pause that follows something like that as well, the moment where nobody speaks to one another, they look around the room and then uh and and nobody tries to explain it immediately, that's documented, that's real, whatever the explanation is. Uh, when I heard it the first time, as I said, I had the headphones on, people heard it next to me. So I immediately, you know, as I say, take out the headphones and then it came through again. And then thankfully other people would heard it. But what's interesting is that since we started this podcast, us mentioning Kelverden, someone actually messaged Dan or I think the group on TikTok asking whether we have experienced any creature-like um activity in the operations room, which coincides with obviously what myself and Darren have experienced there in the past as well, with both of us seeing this entity which could say resembles a creature-like apparition, and over the years the cat noises and the apparitions in this room is trying to tell us a story.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:32

This is this is slightly bizarre because my story, which you may not have heard before, uh which took place in the map room, relates to a continuous growl that I heard, and the person I was with, I'm trying to think who it was with, it may have been Darren anyway, whoever I was with at the time also heard it. Um, and it wasn't a matter of suggestion, you know, where one person thinks they've heard something and says, Did you hear that dog or that cat? And then the other person's now listening for a dog or a cat. We both heard something together. Did you hear that? What did you think that was? We both look at each other. But this wasn't a cat, this was a growl like a dog, like a dog warning you off. And we heard it twice. That's really interesting. Twice again. And I've not heard that animal, your story before, genuinely, and interesting. You've had someone message and say, uh, is there an animal presence there?

SPEAKER_02 1:09:26

Yeah, that's really cool.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:28

Because we we tried to debut that at the time we couldn't, because there's nothing in that room that makes a growling noise. That's the room with the talking clock in it, interestingly enough. Which again doesn't make a growling noise.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:37

Yeah. Without quoting Back to the Future here, but we need the clock back on. Save the clock.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:44

But if anything creates anxiety, makes that place a British cooker. Absolutely. It's a clock that starts talking when you're not inspecting.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:51

And I was gonna say, when you're going back to like when you walk into the place, and what's the first thing you would hear? You would have always heard that clock and it was down, like you know, you'd be at the top when you walk in, but the first thing you could hear in the silence is that reminiscent of that talking

KASE Story 3 - The Mist

SPEAKER_01 1:10:06

clock, you know. Um it's a shame that it's been switched off. They need you need to get batteries for that. But anyway, look, story three, we're gonna need to crack on. Um there's the tunnel, which uh I want to come back to because this is the one place that a lot of people have kind of had experiences in as well. As in the entrance tunnel? Uh no, this is the bottom floor. Sorry, yes, the entrance tunnel at the bottom of the at the bottom of the building, yes. So, you know, it's uh a hundred metres of sloping concrete, and during one of our visits, a member of the team making their way back up toward the surface stopped and turned around and saw a mist. I've Surely it's condensation?

SPEAKER_00 1:10:49

In what way condensation?

SPEAKER_01 1:10:51

It's not necessarily condensation, um and that distinction matters because condensation in a tunnel at that temperature is predictable. It clings to surfaces, it sits flat, but this was different. Uh this was a mist that was moving, not drifting, but moving with something resembling a purpose uh in a particular direction uh and at a particular pace. So where was it going then? Uh it was going downwards, so back into the bunker, moving away from the exit as if and I want to be careful with the language here, as if it was returning to something or being drawn somewhere.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:24

As if the mist and the condensation atmospheric conditions in the tunnel had when you opened the door been pushed down into the tunnel by the giraffe that you let in.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:36

It's possible if the door was open on the outside, I guess at the bungalow. Was this on one of the investigations though, where we weren't entering through the bungalow and we weren't really allowed at the bungalow end? E.g., the point I'm making is it's unlikely to be the door open at that end.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:51

No, no, no, so nothing to do with an open door. No. But my take on the tunnel is that um there are hot and cold spots in that tunnel, and I and and for me, cold and hot air forms mist.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:07

Potentially, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:09

And I've never really kind of put the tunnel down as a kind of haunting area as such. Very eerie with the lights off because it's completely black, you can't see nothing in there. You can't see your hand in front of your face. And it echoes and um very eerie in terms of how it's feeling, especially when you go to where the mist like you know sits in the middle of that of that tunnel. It's very, very

KASE Story 4 - The Creature

SPEAKER_01 1:12:30

eerie. But I I'm happy to dismiss that one to be honest.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:34

Yeah. So are we gonna go to the big one? I need to see and I need to hear what you saw and what Darren saw because it is terrifying. And you have told me before that what you experienced at Kelvin Dunhatch fundamentally changed your outlook. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:53

I think I know what you're talking about, yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:55

Yeah, yeah. So um, yeah, so it wasn't last year, I think it was the year before, so it might have been 2023 or 2020, 2024, I can't remember. So um we're in the operations room again where the on the other side of the um where I heard the cat meow a few years before that, but ironically still on the same floor, still in the same, you know, you know, saying it's still in the same room, but albeit a few yards away. So yeah, so I'm kind of on the I'm kind of like um on the left hand side if you're kind of talking from where the door is. So I'm on the right hand side in one of the kind of like alleyways, if you want, in between computers and printers and all that. And because there's the toilet door there, there is a little bit of light which kind of m enables you to see in that room. And I look up and I see the this dark entity just running like it's what you've uh it it it it's so it's creature-like, it is creature-like, but it's very like black, it's like dark matter black, it's like blacker than black, right? And and I'm kind of thinking, I'm I'm looking, I'm thinking, Who's running? I can't really explain as to my method of thinking, but I'm like, why is someone running you know, so fast and out of the door? But then I realised I didn't see the door open. This thing just it was one of those, like you look, you blink, it's gone, but it was running. And then when I said what I saw, what I saw, Darren was like, Yes, I saw it as well, but he saw it on all fours, like creature-like, just kind of it must have been almost kind of like stalking most, and and then it's got up on all four, like it's from all fours onto then two legs, and then shot off down the hallway, in which I obviously then looked up and seen it it it like leave the room.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:53

So, from what this whole episode has is is given me, Kelvin Hatch is potentially home to some form of primordial land-based creature that was riled up during its construction that has no idea what it is that presents itself as a cat, that presents itself as a dog, that moves between shapes that aren't distinguishable, and is a terrifying entity.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:24

Yeah, in in a nutshell, yeah. In a nutshell. Last year though, I saw it again, but I saw it in a different kind of way, and it was a little bit more freakier this way is that I'm looking into the doorway, we're in a circle. Um, on on the side where I heard the cat meow, actually, we were in a circle. So I'm primarily looking at the doorway because we had a personal experience in there before, is where um Kyle um saw something in the doorway again uh years before, and he's like, I can see it moving. And I had an EMF reader in my hand at the time, so we both walked into the room and he's like, It's there, it's there, like it's right there. So I walk towards it, and no one ever lie, like as I've pointed the EMF, it's gone to red, and he says the thing's moving, and as it's gone, as it's moved, the thing's gone red straight back down to to nothing, and he's like, Oh, it's just it's just gone out the door.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:22

Now if we were playing paranormal top trumps, what you've just pulled out of your top trump deck, maybe without realizing it, is an elemental. That's what you've just described. Interesting thing. Never thought of that before.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:37

So going back to what I saw in the doorway last year was that I see on the left hand side, I see this shimmer. Um, it's almost like a heat haze, right? So it's like a shimmer on the left-hand side. I blink, and then I see this tall, must have been over seven foot black, again, kind of slim line entity, take a step to the right. So I don't see it in full, I see it partial. And then on the top of its head, and I'm not this is probably gonna sound crazy, was that it actually had what looked like a horn or a um like a uh you know, like a crescent of the moon. Sounds like moon night, right? But it's not. But that's exactly what it looked like. And I was like, that I've seen it. I was like, I've seen it again, and then like you blink and then it's gone. That's incredible. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:28

I can't wait. I can't wait to experience it for myself a hundred percent.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:31

It's gonna but the thing is though, have I have I, you know, I'm telling you the story, it's not gonna guarantee guarantee that I mean because nobody else saw it. Darren didn't see, I don't think saw it like that. Darren did have an experience of it again that that night, but um some people they just didn't see it. On the subject of Darren, how long have you known Darren Matt?

SPEAKER_00 1:17:53

Oh, a while ago.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:54

A long you've you've known him a long time ago.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:56

Yeah, I I knew him when he started a group with another gentleman who crabby all remember.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:00

Do you know um that was a long time ago? Do you know the story behind Darren and the events that take place at his residence? Yes. Do you do you think that his consistent exposure allows him to be more because he he has terrifying experiences at Slough 4 and now I'm hearing that he's got another uh Do you think that do you think the more are you suggesting maybe he's got a channel open other people haven't? I'm suggesting that um I'm suggesting that if you subject something somebody to something for so long that eventually they become used to it and become open to it all. Do you know what I mean? It's like pain, it's like a pain threshold. Like if you go through intense pain every single day, eventually that will just become the norm. Almost become a bit blasé about it.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:52

Yeah, so there it is again. We don't want to say too much because obviously we we want to get Darren here and tell his own story, so we don't want to kind of touch upon it too much, but you're right. Um but I both me and Matt have known Darren from when he didn't experience anything. So he we need to that's why we need to get him in here to tell his story of when did that when did that change? What at what moment did you go from not experience anything to being a total non-believer to like then experiencing so much in sh in such a short space of time?

SPEAKER_00 1:19:23

I won't speak for Darren. What I'll say is in anticipation of him coming to talk to us, I think he's a guy who's been on a journey. I think I find the journey interesting.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:31

Like Frodo in Lord of the Rings.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:34

So are we gonna wrap up and then put some.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:36

Before we have to wrap up before we get kicked out, mate. Yeah, they're gonna pull the power on us. But um, yeah, um, so again, um we'll pull it all together. Um, but Kelverdon, it's a location that consistently produces activity. It's the place that keeps giving. We we keep saying it, you know, and um Just give to me. Just give to me. But the thing is, if you think about it too much, it won't I know it won't happen, you know? It's like wanting to catch a big great white shark.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:10

It it's an odd place, isn't it? It's curious. It doesn't have centuries of murders or executions or plague victims. It's almost a blank canvas

Preview to our investigation in 2025

SPEAKER_00 1:20:18

by haunted location standards, yet, yet, people still have experiences there.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:23

And bet and bear in mind, this is just part one, right? I mean, we've already been here an hour and 20 minutes already, and this is part just part one of Calvin. So, you know, coming up in part two, um, to give you a sense of what's going to be coming up, is that we're gonna be talking about 2025's investigation in full. Um and I kind of want to go into it with the right context, if you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:49

So, what do I need to know about 2025?

SPEAKER_01 1:20:51

So it was Friday, the 7th of November, 2025. Two teams, Dan, Darren, Laura, Sam, Lucy, which was team A. Uh, team B was myself, Alan, and Lisa. Would have been you, Matt, but you didn't make it. It was 5:30 in the evening till around about five in the morning, but we'll wrap it, we'll we'll round it up, say six from six. Uh so nearly 12 hours of underground activity across three floors as well.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:21

That's amazing. Um, so what is the headline? Give me the punchline. Uh, don't give too much away because we want people to come back and speak.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:31

So the headline is this really: so during the night, a potential EVP, an electronical electronic voice phenomenon, was captured on a locked-off static camera position on the middle floor. At the time, the audio was recorded, there were no investigators on that floor. Both teams were elsewhere. The camera was left running precisely to capture anything that happened when no one was present. And what was it, a voice? In an empty room? Yeah, so a voice anomaly, if you want to call it that, on a locked-off camera in an occupied room. And that is on our YouTube channel, and we'll we'll link it again. Uh the link, you know, the the link will be in the in the notes of the of the show on YouTube and and and the other audio. Uh but I take you we're not just gonna talk about an EVP, there's a bit more, right? It it leads into more. So I mean what what watch the EVP video before you come to part two. I I I think that's probably the most important thing here.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:23

I think Ricky's looking for the tease of the hook, aren't you? Tease him, tease him a bit.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:29

I I I don't want to tease him too much. Give me back in this seat next week. Um yeah, so I mean there were physical marks left on team members. There were shadow shadowy figures again seen independently by multiple investigators in the same session. Uh there were names are coming across the whole night. Uh, a child presence, and two investigators described it in identical detail without even comparing notes. Wow.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:00

Well, those looking gonna need to come back next week, then, doesn't it?

SPEAKER_01 1:23:04

I will be com we'll definitely be back next week. It's coming, don't worry. But um but do this first. If you haven't already, go and look up Kelvin Hatch, check out the museum, look up the history, and if you're in Essex or nearby, go and visit. Walk down that tunnel, stand in those rooms because the more you understand what this place is and what it was built to hold, the more the 2025 investigation is going to mean to you specifically.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:30

And for anyone who's listening to this episode for the first time, who may be coming to us because they have found us through Kelverdon Hatch, we'd like to say to you Welcome.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:41

Yeah, welcome. Obviously, we're really glad that you're here with us.

Outro

SPEAKER_01 1:23:44

Go back, have a look at the earlier episodes, get a feel for how we work, and then come straight back to part two. Matt, anything you want to say before we go?

SPEAKER_00 1:23:52

No, it's been good. Um, look, what I think if you go to Celverdon, whether you experience anything or not, the places like walking around inside Britain's Cold War subconscious.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:03

I could sit here and talk all night about this weekend.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:05

And that's that's how I would characterize it. That's how I'd drop the mic and walk out.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:09

That's a good shout. And you know, we we keep talking about Celverdon as well, so it only made sense for us to come back and talk in greater depth, you know, greater detail about it. And Matt, it's been excellent that you've been here because obviously Ricky's not been, so you know, you almost validate and kind of also turn me down at the same time. You debunk me, you defloor me, you just kind of like you know, show me up.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:32

I'm not not here to show you up, but you know, you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:34

But yeah, you know, I love that though. Like you can dismiss me and say well.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:38

But it's what's great about the group. We said it in the last session, but let's emphasize it again. This is a group of open-minded individuals. We are sceptical, some of us are more sceptical than others, but that's key to what we do. If we all turned up as believers, everything will be paranormal. Everything will be paranormal, and what it would be more an an evening of entertainment than investigation, wouldn't it? That's that's not what we're about.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:00

Yeah, it'd be one of those cheap, would be one of those 50 quid a pop ghost tours that you take at the class.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:05

What's what do you get at the beginning of Most Haunted? This program is for entertainment purposes only. Says everything.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:10

They never used to do that, but they had to eventually because they were a bunch of fakers. But hey, you know, um we'll we'll talk about that before they get their lawyer involved.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:21

But part two is where it all comes together, yeah?

SPEAKER_01 1:25:23

Yeah, so obviously that is it for episode eight, part one of the case files. Thank you so much for joining us so much for listening. And uh this one has been years in the making, in a way. Everything you've heard today, the the history, the wider reputation, all of those team accounts, all of it feeds into what's coming in part two. Matt, hopefully you might join us again in maybe if you want part two.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:47

If I'm invited, I'll be here, guys. Never a chore. Next week.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:51

You're always invited, Matt. Yeah, big thank you for coming in as well. We appreciate it and being part of the episode, and I hope you've enjoyed it as well. And um not only we'll get you in for part two, but there'll be other investigations as well that you know that you'd want to come back in and talk about, I'm sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:06

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:07

But part two is where as we would have come together though, same location, same bunker, November 2025, everything that we found when we went back. Don't miss it, because it's gonna drop straight after this one.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:21

That's right. And again, subscribe to us on YouTube, follow us on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or Amazon Music, leave us a review, and if you've enjoyed this, then please share it, genuinely share it. And if you know someone who would love this kind of thing, then send them the link.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:36

Just remember, stay curious, don't think too much about the guy that drowned in concrete. And if you do, sleep the light on. Have a good night, guys. We've been the case files. Thank you for joining us.