Where It All Started — Kutz from Years Spent Cold

Before there was Bayway, this is where it really started. 

The first episode of the World of Jayway Podcast, I sit down with my long time friend Kutz from Years Spent Cold. We discuss the real history, how it all began, the early struggles and how things changed over time.

No filters, no bullshit, just two people that were actually there, talking about how it really was. 

This first episode sets the tone for everything I want this podcast to be.

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:29

What up and welcome to the World of Jay Wave podcast. Today, first guest, crazy, insane maniac, friend of mine for fuck 20 plus years. Met this dude at 13 years old going to shows. And uh the lead singer for the infamous, especially now infamous, I would say. Years spent cold. I got Zach motherfucking Kutz. What up, baby? What up? What up, baby? Perfect to have you on the show. Perfect first guest for me. Um, I gotta say, we spent a ton of time hanging out as kids at Birch Hill, is where we met. I think we met at Birch Hill, right? Yeah. And I was playing in stupid bands, and you were starting your fucking bands up, and we just kind of meshed. And like the main reason I wanted to have you as my first guest is because I feel like like when I got into hardcore and when I started to actually like be in bands that people even mildly gave a fuck about, I really felt like it was the two of us against the world. Like, we spent a ton of time trying to build years spent cold. When we first got together, I remember you approaching me and going, I think that you could probably play with this dude, Josh. I don't think anyone else can. And like, you know, we clicked right away. And we were going to shows together, we were doing a ton of stuff, constantly writing new music, and we did a lot of cool shit together. So I just felt like for my first podcast, for my first episode, um, who better than you? You know what I mean? Sweet. Who better than you?

SPEAKER_01 1:58

I appreciate that. And I think uh, yeah, it was kind of a um a mutual thing. Um I could play guitar, but uh I could only play bad things. Yeah, I had good ideas. I just played. They were always great. They were good, they were evil, they were good risks. I and I knew how they went, I just couldn't play them.

SPEAKER_02 2:15

But I think that your presence as a front man was always a very, very cool thing, especially back then. You've always been a broad-shouldered, not give a fuck type of dude. And like having you up front has always been extremely valuable in that scenario. Whether it would be just, you know, having a solid set of hands or or just you know being a an imposing force up there, you've always killed that slot.

SPEAKER_01 2:41

I uh I appreciate it, and it's funny, like, you know, we all went to shows, and I think at that age, um we really craved the uh the chaos and the unruliness and the lawless and the violence. Um not saying that um there's ever gonna be a day before I die where I don't love all those things. Right. But I think as a young kid, uh seeing it all happen, but we were doing it for other people, and uh I think we both just got in a room and the goal was to make songs that could make the worst things happen. And it was like we would write them and then we would look at each other and be like, that's not it.

SPEAKER_02 3:23

No.

SPEAKER_01 3:24

And then we play and be like, yeah, dude, that's fucking hard. Yeah, that's yeah, dude, to play all that's that's fucking hard.

SPEAKER_02 3:30

Well, because I think one of the most special parts about early days, years spent cold. I'm talking you guys were a band before I even got there. Right. But I think like when we were working on retribution and we were really trying to get those those songs together for that record, we were really like ripping and rolling in terms of playing shows, and we knew what we wanted. Like I remember when we first got together talking about me joining the band, we knew the direction that we wanted to go in. Yeah, you guys already had a couple, like you guys had fucking grip, you had Bush, you had a couple of songs that were like, you know, definitely leaning towards what Year Spent Cold was going to become. Right. But I think we both had a very good idea of what we wanted that shit to be. And like if we if you couldn't destroy an entire room to it, we didn't even care about it.

SPEAKER_01 4:19

That's yeah, that's kind of like a hundred percent where it was at, because uh, you know, Josh uh had a big part in writing a lot of the early stuff, but um even when Josh would write, there was like no communication. He would like write it, smile, play the part, and we'd be like, wait, uh, what were you playing? And then he would like turn around and face the other way and play it. We'd like, what the fuck, dude? He was like, Turn around and show us your fucking hands. Yeah, and then he would laugh at us. Yeah, like like well, it wasn't even like a way to like be a dick. He just thought it was funny, and like, um, but I mean, you know, Josh was uh a you know a big part of the band early on, and um, you know, um you did well dealing with him because like I said, Josh wasn't big on communication. No. And then you kind of got involved, but your personality was the same as mine. So it was two people saying, like, hey, what the fuck? Right.

SPEAKER_02 5:10

You know, um I think the reason it worked with me and Josh so well is because no matter what he was playing, I was gonna play a breakdown over it regardless. Right. Because that's just basically all I had. Yeah. Like I did it's not like I was like the world's most talented guitar player. I was like, how do I make this guitar Diddy Bop? Right. And Steve, please follow me. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Well, Steve and I mean, Steve at the time uh being our our practice drummer and then turning into the actual drummer, which is a hilarious story all in itself.

SPEAKER_01 5:41

Kind of wild to think um just that dude like would pick up we even practice, he'd pick up a fucking guitar and like finger pick a fucking like melody. Yeah. And yeah, he's just musically, he could pick up almost anything. Even when we write stuff now, like he'll pick up a guitar and start playing it.

SPEAKER_03 6:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:02

You know, I mean, like, I can still play some stuff, I just can't play it at the speed or effectiveness. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 6:08

So you can get your point across though in the writing room. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:10

You've always been able to do that though. But I mean, like, I'll have to show like Frank, and then Frank will play it. You know, Frank will play it good. Oh, okay, this is what you meant. But I mean, you know, Steve was like original, original. Um, and we went through so many people, but and then we had you, and that was like solid. We had you for, you know, uh for a while, all through that like early part of it, and uh Josh slowly like disappeared. Just tip Josh was like big on vanishing out of nowhere, like no reason, like we just wouldn't be able to find him for like weeks at a time. Like ah, we have a show, and then Josh would just be there.

SPEAKER_02 6:47

He's uh he's an enigma of a human being. He's something else.

SPEAKER_01 6:50

I think that's the best way to describe him. He is he is an enigma. Yeah, he's something else. He showed up, like he came out to the first show back, but nobody's seen him since. He's like, he vanished again. It was awesome to see him that day.

SPEAKER_02 7:01

Oh, yeah. I saw him for like 25 minutes, and I was like, this is awesome. He he wound up like working with me in a um in my construction business later on, which was like really weird and random. But like, it was to like to the point of like the early writing and stuff. It was just like it was very, very raw, and we knew what we wanted to do. We knew the point that we were getting across. We both had a very fuck you attitude towards the world and towards everybody that got in our way. And it really showcased, I think, what what the band, I mean, even to this day, it's like no gimmicks, just violence is pretty much what your spent cold's always fucking been.

SPEAKER_01 7:37

Yeah, you know, like, and that was the thing uh when me, Frank, and Steve talked, because I mean, like, you know, uh after you had left, Steve and Frank were the only two people along with me that like they Frank was in it from that day on. You know, like um, original as in like first, no, but he probably longer than me and Steve were just got a long, long tenure in the band, right? Yeah, I mean, forever. I mean, he's done like every tour aside from uh one tour he couldn't do because he uh had an uh had to get surgery on his leg, but like other than that, he's done everything. Um and you know, like great guy, by the way.

SPEAKER_02 8:14

Oh, yeah, Frank is probably one of my favorite people that I've met in recent memory, to be honest.

SPEAKER_01 8:19

Yeah, Frank is uh Like he's everything that you described him to me.

SPEAKER_02 8:23

You know when we had that talk.

SPEAKER_01 8:26

This is like a funny story about how like Frank came out of his shell. Uh Frank absolutely hated being in the band when he was first in the band. Was absolutely miserable, fucking hated it, literally wanted the least.

SPEAKER_02 8:37

You guys have never been the type of band that, you know, you know, doesn't haze a new member, you know. You guys have never been that way.

SPEAKER_01 8:44

We legitimately tried to make like we would literally try and ruin everything for anybody new just to see if they were like down the. Are they gonna be able to hang? Do they think it's also funny when like we break their windshield like we think it is to each other? Like, like, oh, they don't? What a fucking loser. Fuck the sky, you know? How far can we take this? And how far are they willing to take it? Dude, there was one night where Frank was on his phone with his girlfriend at the time, and we all lit Roman candles, and poor Frank. We just started shooting- yeah, we just started shooting Frank with Roman candles, dude. And you know, I don't know if everyone else does this, but this is what I do with Roman candles, and I think that I think this is just a thing that you do. You shoot each other with Roman candles, but it's never good enough. It always gets to a point where you're like, I gotta hit him in the face. Right. I gotta hit him in the face with a Roman candle. Well, how far can you take it? Right. Right. And then, like, of course, you're always trying to like hit him in the dick because that's funny when you it's peak comedy. Right. Right. So, dude, we just we just like burned him and like hazed him with Roman candles. And before we knew it, he had like four forties that he was pouring into one, drank it, and threw up all over a barbecue grill. And then after that night, he was literally the best human being you could ever want in the band. Yeah, you broke him. And he was he was happy. Like from then on, he like woke up the next day and was like, dude, he was like a born-again Eurospenkoldian. Like, like, like he was, he, he like, he, he found, he found the the god of like your spent cold.

SPEAKER_02 10:26

Yeah, he like he was he was beaten into submission. He was sold, dude. And and at the end of it, he was like, you know what? Fuck it. He was about the gospel. You guys suck into my breaking point and I'm in now.

SPEAKER_01 10:37

And then ever since then, good luck getting rid of me, motherfucker. Ever since then, dude, and and what's funny is too, like, he's always been super passive. And anymore, dude, you want to talk about someone who just and like Frank isn't like a you know what I mean? Frank's not like a fighter or anything, he just doesn't care. Like, he'll just tell anyone no. I don't like that stupid, you know, like but he does it with us, and I like it because we'll all sit down and be like, I'm not fucking doing that.

SPEAKER_02 11:07

And I'm like, this is what I want, this is all I want. But that was that was that's always, and you know what? I remember I remember vividly, and this is why I know for a fact that Frank works, because when I remember getting there, and I remember having conversations with you in the writing room and saying things to you like, no, and like what about this? And I remember them looking at me like, look at him. He's standing up for himself. How's he doing that? And I remember the first time like I ever got you to like change your fucking opinion, because like look, you're a hard-headed motherfucker, you know what I mean? I love you to death, but you are been very consistent over a number of years of being a hard-headed motherfucker. I'm not doing that. You know what you want to do, and that's why I respect you. Because, like, you know, like the it's one thing if you're just hard-headed over nothing and you're never right, but like you do have that ability to be right, right? So that's the thing that makes you scary because you're a hard-headed motherfucker, but you're also not wrong. So it's like it makes it a double-edged story with you. But I remember like just all I was doing was advocating for myself. I mean, it was a very minimal thing. Like, no, I think that this could work. And you were like, all right, well then why don't you fucking try it then? And everybody was just kind of like, whoa. And I think that, like, to your point about Frank, like, you may have had to haze him, but like the fact that he got to that point where he's like, fuck that, I don't care. That's you need that in your life. Like, you need a motherfucker that's gonna look at you and tell you no.

SPEAKER_01 12:34

And not only that, like, especially now, like, it just works so well, you know. Um, obviously, we all get stressed. Uh, everyone's got jobs, and uh it's a different life than it once was. Yeah, well, it's like a ton of shit to do at one time while you're still working. And you know, but the reality is like a lot of times because I'm back and forth, you know, I'm in Pennsylvania, but I I come back and I'm working here during the week, me and Frankl get together, and like we sit down and like we we write really well together, and then when Steve gets there, it works even smoother because there are times where I try and explain things to him, and I don't know how to explain it. I I could I could do it and I could play it on guitar, and then Steve, a lot of times, will know if if I can't explain it, Steve will say something. Yes, and then it'll click for Frank.

SPEAKER_02 13:30

And there's also working with you now at this point for fucking ever. Everybody knows you it's Steve.

SPEAKER_01 13:35

Yeah, and you know the other thing is too, like, there's other things where like Steve's like, I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about, and then Frank will be like, he's talking about this. So we the guys have a good chemistry.

SPEAKER_02 13:45

Yeah, yeah. And you can tell when you play though now. Like, right, you can you can definitely tell. Like from the first show back to the last show I just saw at Maggie's, like you guys are locked in. And I'm not saying it wasn't good the first time, it's not what I'm saying, but what I'm saying is is that if you did if you didn't get to see it on the first show back, but you get to see it, like let's say you get to see it at Hellfest first time, you're seeing a very great version of your spin cold.

SPEAKER_01 14:12

I mean, as a you know, there's been people I have just dude, I love so much having in the band. But as a whole, as a every member in the band situation, it's hard to beat this. Just because of like everybody together, they're they're doing it. It's so dialed with everybody, you know, like the chemistry's really good, man. Yeah, you know, dude, and like I don't have to worry about people doing stupid shit. Yes. That's always been a thing. Like, all right, this dude's a great guitar player, but he doesn't shut the fuck up.

SPEAKER_02 14:40

Yeah, or he's a fucking cornball and he can't handle himself at a hardcore show or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 14:44

Hey, dude, your guitar player is about to get in a fight, like, oh great, I have to like go bail somebody out. Right. It's like now, there is none of that. Like, Nate, just a fucking great dude. Mike, same thing. Like, there's like such good dudes that we have to be like, hey man, you don't have to do that.

SPEAKER_02 14:58

Like, it's not a big deal, you know? Dude, they showed up at um at the fucking Bayway pop-up, right? And I'm like, you know, it's just like for me, I love that kind of shit. Because to me, it's like, dude, like, I have zero issues supporting motherfuckers that support me. Right. Like, if you want to be my fucking friend, bro, you you the problem is is that like I'm loyal to a fault. So like when we become friends, like expect for that to happen and it to be forever. Right. You know what I'm saying? And like I know that about myself, so it's like very difficult for me to like even make a new friend because I'm like, if this happens, that's it, brother. Like, I got another person I gotta take with me forever. Right. Like, that's like a mark on your soul. But like, so for them to come out and support it, I was just like, dude, these guys rule, and like it really does speak to like what you have going on lineup wise now, where you have something very, very solid.

SPEAKER_01 15:50

Dude, there's you know what it is, too? There's like no egos. Um, and that was like the biggest thing. Like, we've gone through so many guitar players and bass players, and it's like, you know, it was just that, oh, we it's not even like we were doing crazy like dates or anything. Just nobody was reliable, dude. Yeah, nobody, dude, as simple as like not showing up to practice, or like showing up late, or like showing up unprepared, or like there's just certain shit too, like at this stage in the game.

SPEAKER_02 16:20

Like, dude, I'm a grown-ass man. Like, I'm not waiting two and a half hours for you to show up.

SPEAKER_01 16:25

Like that's not happening. Not only that, like, especially like dudes are paying for practice. Isn't it fucking fair that you don't show up, or you know, like so, like, especially me being me, I've gotta kind of like step in and be like, hey, you know, you can't be in the band.

SPEAKER_02 16:41

I can't tell these other guys, like, yeah, I can't have an expectation of one guy that's not for the other guy. Right. So like you're looking at Steve and you feel the same way about what Steve's gotta do that you feel about everybody else.

SPEAKER_01 16:51

Yeah, dude, that's why like now it's like the dudes show up, they have their equipment, they're on time, they're trying to like help, they're like, they're just all about it. They're they're and they and they appreciate being out.

SPEAKER_02 17:04

And they have every reason to be excited about where the band is at right now. I know you're excited about it. I've I I never have to question that with you. Yeah. Because I know like from previous conversations that we've had and just knowing you as a person as long as I've known you, you're not getting like, you're not going out on the field with a shit team. Right. Like, you're not doing that. You'll cancel every you'll cancel everything, you'll blow up the whole fucking thing to not go out there and suck. Right. You and but that's one of the things I've always respect about you too. Like, you have a very high standard for what you're doing, and it shows though. And that's why I feel like kids that were into the band that wanted to see the band are getting an awesome version of it. But kids that are just getting into the band, I feel like are also like just as fortunate as the kids that got into it in 2005, because the version that you're getting of the band is playing, A, playing the songs correctly, which I'm a stickler for, and I'm watching it and I'm judging. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, dude, I wrote that in my mom's house. Don't fuck that up. You know what I'm saying? And then you have the guys playing the songs right, the tempos are right, the energy's good, they're on stage, the on stage performance looks like you guys are having a great time. Right. I watched you two times that California weekend, that Hellfest weekend. Both sets were fucking awesome. Both sets had the same energy. Yeah. And it's just like, you know, whether you guys are in front of fucking 400 people or you're in front of a thousand, you're still performing at a very, very high level and like you give a shit. And to me, that means that you really, really love what you're doing, and I'm so happy for you that you have that.

SPEAKER_01 18:39

I appreciate it, dude. And it's uh it's been awesome coming back to, you know, like my biggest thing was like, it's always been awesome that shows are crazy, but like, you know, uh, we grew up like as hardcore kids, and that's what I I'm not uh, you know, um I'm not anything else but that. I mean, I'm a hardcore kid, you know. So the fact that people would sing along, but they didn't sing along under the microphone, they would like stand as far away as they could and sing along. It's like, dude, what the fuck? You know the words. Yeah, you're at a hardcore show. Why the fuck aren't you up front?

SPEAKER_02 19:08

Well, I feel like we were like the only band that had like death metal elements to it with sing alongs. That were writing sing-alongs at the time. Right. And people were way too fucking afraid back then, especially to pile on. And we played with good clean fun.

SPEAKER_01 19:22

We did, which is insane. Yeah, and they didn't like it at all.

SPEAKER_02 19:25

It was it was not good, clean, and more fun for any of them.

SPEAKER_01 19:29

No, they hated it. Shout out to them. Yeah. Shout out to Dom for doing front flips and snapping people's legs because he was he was just a bowling ball.

SPEAKER_02 19:36

It was, dude, what a time to be alive. But to your point, though, now kids do know the words. They are coming up front and singing along. That's awesome. The picture that you just sent me that we're gonna throw up for the fucking for the podcast is literally kids trying to pull you off the fucking stage to get to that microphone.

SPEAKER_01 19:53

Which is awesome. That's what I want. That's what, dude, that's what I'm saying. You always wanted that. Yeah, dude, that's what, like, they like let me be a part of the show. You know what I mean? Like, it's cool to watch everyone go crazy, but also it's cool to be like fighting for my life so that I'm not landing on my neck.

SPEAKER_02 20:08

Hard dancing has always been cool. We've always liked it, right? Like, ever since I was told, like, yo, do you dance? And I remember thinking to myself, like, fuck you talking about, weirdo? Fuck is dancing. And the next thing you know, I got cartwheeled in the face, and I was like, dancing, got it. Okay. Yeah. So I'm gonna do that or I'm gonna get hurt here. Got it. That was uh at a contortion show at the Cove, by the way.

SPEAKER_01 20:28

Yeah, probably by Ian while he wore a Jason mask. Dude, rest in peace.

SPEAKER_02 20:35

And this is this is the life that we were, you know, privy to, right? So like all that hard dancing was always awesome, but like I do really remember and love like the days of seeing like a shattered realm or a forgetting tomorrow at Chrome, and the entire front is full. Right. And everybody's dancing in the back. I mean, at Chrome, dancing on three different levels, yeah, which to the kids from Jersey or kids just in general listening to this that never got to experience a club Chrome, like this place had three different tiers and three different pits. It was really a very insane situation.

SPEAKER_01 21:08

There's a billion things to climb on and jump off of when you really think about it.

SPEAKER_02 21:11

Shit hanging from the ceiling, balls mahoney as the security guard. Like, what a place, man.

SPEAKER_01 21:16

Yeah, it uh and what's like that's how Heath Miller. Yeah. Crazy insane.

SPEAKER_02 21:21

That's dude.

SPEAKER_01 21:24

That uh that it that Club Chrome is like the standard that I place on things. Yes. Um I think about it and I'm like, you know, Maggie's, the first thing I went there was like, oh man, this gives me like Chrome Lounge Vibes Chrome Lounge Vibes.

SPEAKER_02 21:41

Max uh what was it? Um what was it? Max Cruz. Max Cruz was was throwing the Chrome Lounge shows. You know what I mean? That Nora seemed to headline every single one.

SPEAKER_01 21:50

All the time, dude.

SPEAKER_02 21:51

I remember playing Chrome Lounge with um with Bulldoz and Full Blown Chaos. It was like one of the last Comatose shows.

SPEAKER_01 21:58

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You were a hundred percent. I was definitely there.

SPEAKER_02 22:01

Yeah, no, no doubt. You lived at Chrome.

SPEAKER_01 22:04

I had that demo in my Jeep forever. You still have a copy of it somewhere. I had the whole. It was in there for like years after I even listened to it.

SPEAKER_02 22:12

I think it was 04 or 03. Had to be 04 or 03.

SPEAKER_01 22:15

Yeah, there was that one breakdown in there. It was that one breakdown.

SPEAKER_02 22:18

I remember you, dude. You always always would talk to me about the one. You're like, maybe we could fit that one. We never did fit it into a year to spend cold song. But I keep it. But we tried. We fucking not for lack of trying.

SPEAKER_01 22:28

Yeah, I keep, I feel like, I feel like I might even like remember what it sounds like in my head. I don't know the rest of the song. And I don't even know what goes on in any of them. But I think I remember that. That part, though. Yeah, I think that's a good one.

SPEAKER_02 22:39

Well, that's the part that landed me the Year Spend Cold game. It is, dude. 100%. Yeah, I remember you talking to me about it. I I forget who the fuck you were with when I first met you, but it was definitely in um, it was definitely in the small room at Birchill, is where we met for the first time. And I remember like I The Stingray stage. Stingrays. And you know what's hilarious about it? And like this kind of just like speaks to how awesome hardcore truly is. I'm almost a thousand percent positive that I had hit up a member of Shattered Rome to get the approval to do Kings Cannot Fall as a cover with comatose and was covering the song there that day, and now have that as my secondary professional gig, which is hilarious. That's awesome. Hilarious. But that is hardcore, though.

SPEAKER_01 23:31

Yeah, you know, yeah, you never know how it's gonna play out. Or you know what? There's so much like full circle shit now, which is pretty cool too, you know. Um dude, this is so cool to see uh newer bands that I absolutely fucking love, and it's you know, bands that are literally like on the list of bands that are like all I listen to. But there's members of the band that I've known since I was since they were 13 years old, and like, you know, um two you know top tier examples are um Austin and Haywire, you know, the first time I I remember him actually telling this story on stage at Black Box. Yeah, dude, it's so crazy. And and even at that age, like you can't meet that dude and forget him, dude. He's just got that personality where like he knows what to say, he knows how to make you have fun where you're at, yep. He knows how to have a good time, and like He was a maniac. I remember seeing him, and he was like quiet at the time, you know, but he was young, and like that was his like the first like hardcore show he had been to, and um some incidents happened that night. Um we'll keep those off the podcast. Those are on the podcast. Right. Um, some incidents happened that night, but you know, I remember I specifically remember seeing him, and I'm like, oh sick, that dude's got a path of resistance hoodie on, and he's like a young kid, and he like lights a cigarette, and I'm like, wow. I'm like, I wonder if this kid will give me his path of resistance hoodie. And I was like, how much you want for that, dude? And he's like, Oh, I don't want to sell it. Like, really, like, I was like, alright. But he was like watching everything, you know what I mean? Yes. Um, and then years later, we had seen each other in forever, and uh it was kind of wild, dude. There was a show in Jersey, it got shut down, uh, a bunch of the bouncers did some dumb shit and got their ass handed to them, and uh it, you know, the show got put over at uh Champs in Trenton, and um I think I think it was. Who wound up saving it? Was it Joe Stanley? Uh he Joe Stanley is the one that pulled it off. Yeah, he's the one that got it over there. Show about Joe Stanley and all he did at Champs, man. Yeah. Joe Joe Stanley had a lot of things constantly doing stuff. A hundred fucking percent. But you know, it was crazy because I didn't I I hadn't like known that Austin was even involved in hardcore at that point. I didn't even know his name really at that point. Right. And uh, you know, I had kind of like forgot about that, and this dude just like he walks up to me and like the only band I like the only band I was really pumped on seeing was a band called Buried Dreams, and I'm like, oh sick, yeah, dude, this is fucking awesome. Like these vocal patterns are sick, they're like something different. And uh it was just funny. He walked up to me and uh he's like, I don't know if you remember me from West Virginia, and like you know, we just like told some stories or whatever, and uh he's like, Yeah, my band Barry Dreams. I'm like, really? Like, what do you like? What are you doing in the band? I fucking knew I liked this kid. I'm singing, he's like, I he's like, I sing for the band. I'm like, what the fuck, dude? Like, this is like it's crazy that I was so pumped on hearing these songs, and I know you, right? Which is like, and and he even said, like, do you remember? And I was like, fuck yeah. I was like, you were wearing a path resistance hoodie, you were smoking a cigarette. I remember you to a T. And he started laughing. He's like, Man, I wish I had that hoodie. And I was like, ah, jokes on you, I got one now.

SPEAKER_02 26:54

And that that to me is a hardcore story. Oh, 100%. Awesome. It's such a small world, no matter where you go. And like, you know, look at look at fucking shout out to Haywire taking over the entire world.

SPEAKER_01 27:05

Like, I insane. In my opinion, I don't know if I mean there's a lot of bands that have done a lot of like, you know, big big stuff, been around forever, done a ton of things. Sure, you know, bands like Terra, they've been around forever, dude. Like, that was a band that we saw right when they started, but it's still around now. Right. God, they've got such a fucking long, you know, history. Yeah. But dude, the amount of shit that Haywire has done in like, I don't know, what is it, a year, two years? Like, dude, I've been.

SPEAKER_02 27:35

But to your point though, right? Like, speaking on Terra being around forever, Austin has been around forever. Yeah. You know, like he's a guy who's been in hardcore since he was 13 years old. Like, crazy. Not an overnight sensation.

SPEAKER_01 27:48

Dude went there as like a uh rap dude. He'll tell you. He's like, I listened to like rap. I didn't know what hardcore was.

SPEAKER_02 27:53

Dude, when I first had a conversation with him, it's funny because he come, he we played like Lithuanian music halls like Bayway, Paint of Truth, and Haywire did the thing where they just were happened to be, you know, five and a half hours from the show, so they showed up and played. Just makes sense to play. Right, exactly. He's like, dude, can we play? Who cares? And then uh he walked up the stairs in year spent cold shorts. And I remember saying to him, like, those are dope, bro. Like, I hadn't seen years spent gold shorts in a long time. And I was like, this is so fucking cool. And I remember saying to him, Yeah, dude, I I fucking, you know, I it's my old band. And it was just like, at the time, like, I wasn't really talking to anybody like about my time in hardcore, like at all, really. Like, I was just like trying to get Baywei off the ground. So it was like very interesting to see Year Spent Cold stuff to like start to pop up. Right. And I was like, man, you know, like this is like it's really, really cool to see like that level of fandom for something. Like, obviously, you guys are back now, you're ripping, you're rocking, but like at the time, you weren't. You know what I mean? And it was just cool to see that kind of stuff like out. Yeah, like I think also when when they did that um, that New Jersey like top 10 records that like never got their respect they deserve, or whatever the fuck it was. Right. Like, to me, it's just like, dude, those are like every band on that list is a band that like me and you definitely drove around in your Jeep listening to. 100%. And to be put on that list and considered with those people, yeah, like, you know, like for most people. Most people will look at that and be like, dude, this list sucks. Every band is ass, you know what I mean? But like for me, that's like the holy fucking grail. And to have our record there was like, man, we recorded this in Patterson. You know, like this is this is an insane accomplishment. And I it's just it's very cool to have like been a part of that and to have been a part of songs that like stood the test of time.

SPEAKER_01 29:42

It's uh, you know, it kind of like like like close on the Austin story. Um you know, it's always been a big thing for me to give uh credit to the things that I've appreciated or felt like did something for me. And I just don't think there's anybody that does it, you know, more so than Austin. That dude is so appreciative. Um he gives credit where credit's due in every aspect. You know, I just back to what's what what kills me is like when people get things handed to them and they don't give any credit, it's it's the opposite with him, man. If he can, as soon as he gets on stage, he gets anywhere, he always says, you know, he he always uh puts on for his people, which is you know kind of um that's big for me. You know what I mean? And like I said, when we got reacquainted, it was cool to know that you know he was that type of dude. Um second example is Mike from Missing Link, same thing. Like these are two bands that I fucking love.

SPEAKER_02 30:39

I remember, dude, did stop me from wrong here, but I remember meeting him as like he was like a fucking child. Oh, a small, a tiny. When when we played upstate. Yes. And like obviously looks vastly different than he once did.

SPEAKER_01 30:56

Yeah, now he's now he's now he's like, now he's like three feet taller than all of us.

SPEAKER_02 31:03

But I remember like, I remember like saying to myself, I'm like, dude, I because we had a conversation, me and him, and like this was like me telling him, like, yeah, dude, I was in your spent cold, we used to go up there and blah, blah, blah. And uh, and I remember saying to myself, dude, I have had to have met you at some point if you were at those shows. Right. Because that's like my first aspect of like going, leaving New Jersey to play shows was the going up there. We went up there a lot, too.

SPEAKER_01 31:28

That's what we're doing. Because we love those kids so much. Well, they love all the Auburn kids, you know, uh Dustin, Shane De Rizio, uh, Mike, all those guys up there, uh Steinbecker. They were, dude, they were like our first there in Altoona, Pennsylvania. Um, all the Fire and the Blood dudes, Way to the Crown, all those bands. Uh, those were the two places where like we loved leaving to go to because um It was the same as playing at home, really. Altoona, Bertle.

SPEAKER_02 31:59

Kids went just as hard. You know, they went just as hard as at home.

SPEAKER_01 32:02

It was like uh those were like our two spots we really loved to hit. There's just it's cool that a lot of those people are all still around. I know. Which I love. And you know what? That's another thing. Like I feel like our generation has a lot of that though. Yeah, it is pretty awesome, you know. It has some longevity. I I you know, once again, dude, I I think you know, giving credit where credit is due, I think there's a spark that that new bands like Haywire give, it's not exactly like the crazy violent stuff, it's that it makes people feel good, man. These are fun songs to have fun to. Yeah, you can still be bad, you can still do bad things, but it's fun. I think at the same time, you know?

SPEAKER_02 32:44

I I agree with what you're saying. I think at the same time, like, and I know for you it's the same thing. Like, I remember getting pulled into hardcore because A, I didn't really feel comfortable anyplace else. I was a fucking weirdo. But when I went to hardcore, I felt incredibly normal. I was a very violent kid. I loved being in that situation. I feel like a band like Haywire is sort of opening that floodgate for people that maybe, maybe could get into it. You know, like that's the thing about it. It's like and his ability and his charisma pulls people in. And it's it's just honestly, like, it's it's just great for it's a great time for hardcore, just in general.

SPEAKER_01 33:28

Right. If you can't find something in hardcore that you like now, it's you. Right. Plain and simple, like, if if you're whining and fucking complaining about everything and you can't have fun, and all you're concerned with is, you know, uh how you can shit on everything. You know, I mean, look, that's the world we're in right now. There's a lot of shit that sucks. But the reality is hardcore is doing good, man. There's a lot of young kids, and like, there's always the the headache with young kids showing up has always been they get online, they talk shit, and they complain. That's kind of not the case with this new generation of young kids. It's pretty fucking awesome. Yeah. You know, I mean, I'm watching young kids that are moshing, they're getting absolutely smashed. Devastating. They're not complaining. No, they're pumped. Dude, they're not going online and complaining. Yeah. They come back. They know it's not personal, it's just hardcore. You know, like my thing has always been you show up and you either like it or you don't. If you don't like it, you don't come back. It's the same thing. You go to a fucking restaurant, you don't like it. You don't go back there and bitch and tell them how to change the city.

SPEAKER_02 34:29

I'm not trying the chicken parmesan, and then if they don't do it right, I'm coming back with my own version of the recipe.

SPEAKER_01 34:34

Hey, listen, this is how you should change it. No, fuck that place. Yeah, that place sucks.

SPEAKER_02 34:37

Go find a place to go.

SPEAKER_01 34:38

So, what's the point with hardcore? Don't show up and say, Oh, this could be cool if it's like this. Well, I'm gonna change everything.

SPEAKER_02 34:44

Well, that was your point that you made at Maggie's, right? Like you were like, look, hardcore is a beautiful thing. It really is a welcoming thing.

SPEAKER_04 34:51

Right.

SPEAKER_02 34:51

We got all the freaks, all the weirdos. Doesn't matter. And I love them all. Right. But at the end of the day, like, hardcore was here before us, and it's like it's our job to keep it going, right? It's not our job to change it and make it into some weird molded into some weird thing that it's not.

SPEAKER_01 35:07

You know what I mean? You show up.

SPEAKER_02 35:08

It really is an open door, and if you if you give back to it, it gives you a lot, man.

SPEAKER_01 35:12

You know, you you come, you have fun. No one gives a fuck what you did before, what you're doing after, what you believe. We don't care. Just come have fun. That's it. Don't try and make it so that everybody has to recognize you and everybody in the room's gotta pay attention. Just fucking show up and have fun. Just be a part of this thing. We don't care. Right. It doesn't fucking matter, dude. If you're trying to sing along, I'm gonna give you the fucking microphone.

SPEAKER_02 35:35

That's it. Doesn't matter what you look like. Right. I try to say that shit all the time. Like, I don't care if you wear your hat. You know what I mean? I don't care what kind of hat you got on, I don't care what glasses you got on.

SPEAKER_01 35:42

Look at me, dude. I don't even fucking fit. Me of all people, dude. A fucking guy that cares about guns, fucking hunting, fishing. Right. Where the fuck do I fit in? Do you know what I mean? Like I broke the fucking stereotype of a hardcore kid. In hardcore. I mean. Now guns are getting cool. But like, you know, it's uh You were at the forefront of that, though. I'll give you credit there. Shout out to A Groden. Ain't Grohn had a huge part. Talk about credit where it's dude. But I mean, you were at the forefront of bow hunting hardcore. But you know, it's crazy. Like, you don't have to, you don't have to fall in line and do everything that these other guys do. Like, do whatever the fuck you want. Just show up and act the same way. Right. You're all there to dude. The whole reason that we like doing those shows at places like Maggie's is because we call what goes on. Yes. No one's gonna tell you you can't do this, you can't do that. That's why hardcore's cool. You do whatever the fuck you want. Yeah. You know what? When you start branching out from hardcore and you want to start going to these fucking stadium shows where don't get me wrong, I'm I'm I'm that's awesome that somebody was successful enough they're playing stadium shows if they came from hardcore. However, don't call it a hardcore show, that's not what it is. No. There's fucking barricades, there's bouncers, and you don't physically know those dudes, and they're giving you a set of rules. It's not a fucking hardcore show. No. Plain and simple. You know, like we love playing everything, but the reality is shows like Maggie's is what we love to play. It's a special thing. You know, I don't want to play a fucking, you know, giant fucking room for the purpose of playing a giant room. It means nothing to me. I mean, dude, let fucking 40 people climb on top of me and try and stomp my fucking head off my body while they sing along.

SPEAKER_02 37:19

I've literally never seen you happier. And I've known you a long time. I've never seen you happier than when you described to me that regardless of what anyone believes to be true, your legs were not going to give out, and you were not gonna allow anyone to pull you off of the stage.

SPEAKER_01 37:37

It was like a personal It was like a personal feat. I'm like, you know what, dude? I could, I could, I could sing from my knees, but I'm gonna squat and I'm not gonna touch the ground just to prove that no amount of people can.

SPEAKER_02 37:50

You literally, I and we will post a picture. As I saw the swarm, and to be honest, and to be fair, and you can ask little Chris, I was also solely responsible for attacking you from behind with five people. I grabbed the shit out of him, I'm like, we're going right now. And as I did it, I'm like, fuck, because they were literally pulling you off the they were mauling you. And we'll we'll see the photo of my arm wrapped around your shoulder trying desperately not to let you fall off that stage. And you are not going off the stage. Shout out to Kevoscope, always uh with the dope photo. Dude, guy is an absolute insane human being. I was actually just informed that I think him, uh Will Marks and Theo are like the three media guys for Hellfest. Guys that'll show up. Shout out to Josh.

SPEAKER_01 38:41

Guys that show up and they and they actually do it.

SPEAKER_02 38:44

Yeah, dude, and and and love hardcore. Yeah. You know, like the coolest part about Will Will Marks and well, all three of them really. And I've had all three of them in touring scenarios, and they've all they've been taking photographs of me or video, and then immediately also been moshing. Like at the same time, like I will, I've I've been kicked in the head so hard by Keviscope that I've literally jumped off a stage to hurt him because he made me so mad. And like, because he's just he's a fucking animal and he's doesn't know his own strength. Like, he's got strength that like I don't think he even understands really is there.

SPEAKER_01 39:21

Yeah, what dude can move his weight around. Dude, those fucking it's like what's crazy is he does such a sick job editing, and then he sends them, and you're like, wow, these are sick. And then he sends a folder at all the stuff he didn't use, and you're like, what the fuck? Like, these are all insane. Like every fucking photo is nuts, you know?

SPEAKER_02 39:36

That's why I've resorted with Will Marks, and he'll tell you this. I've resorted, dude. Send me the folder. Send me the folder, and then send me 20 of your favorites. Right. So that I can compare if your favorites are my favorites, you know?

SPEAKER_01 39:48

And we'll go back to-he's always got a fucking giant folder of just awesome stuff.

SPEAKER_02 39:53

Dude, it's just, you know, we're so blessed and fortunate at this stage in the game to have dudes like this. Yeah, but to your point, right? Like that's that's the cool like these three guys couldn't be further from each other in terms of the way that they are as people, but they're all doing the same thing, all loving hardcore, all a huge piece of what hardcore today is and why it's as successful as it is. And it's like, you know, it's just another cool aspect of I think things that we we really not that we took it for granted, but like, dude, what did we have when we first started? A digital camera? You know what I mean? Like a photo bucket. You know, like these guys, like, you know, we're they're literally encapsulating moments that we would probably forget.

SPEAKER_01 40:33

And you know, it's like it's like a double-edged sword too, with like technology, because as much as I hate how technology does ruin some shit, man, what a big thing it's done, as far as like, man, these guys have like the technology to take these awesome photos and capture what's going on. Yeah, they've also got the technology to put them in a folder to share them with us. Like, there's never a thing.

SPEAKER_03 40:52

No.

SPEAKER_01 40:53

Like, you know what I mean? Like, you couldn't just look at the fucking group of photos from before.

SPEAKER_02 40:57

You remember what it was. It was like Prophecy 21, and he would post them on his page and you'd have to go through all hundreds of things.

SPEAKER_01 41:03

Right, exactly. They're all fucking like direct shout out.

SPEAKER_00 41:08

It's like angel fire-9675-30501.

SPEAKER_02 41:12

Is the one picture that you wanted that you couldn't get for your MySpace. Right. You know, shout out to MySpace. But it's just, it's, it's, it's come such a long way, it's come such a far away, and it's very, very cool. And like the point that we're trying to, where we're working towards here is that like, you know, your spent cold 2026 is a thing. You know, this technology is definitely making it a thing. And like, it's it's crazy to me to see, like, I think Greg Falcetto said, you know, shout out to Greg. He's like, Yeah, dude. He watches your sets and says things like, his verbiage is hilarious. Oh, yeah, he's like a professor. He's like, that was unhinged.

SPEAKER_01 41:51

You know what I mean? That's what he says about. He's very precise. He's like a professor, dude. He's like, he's coming out like you're a student and he's giving you feedback.

SPEAKER_02 41:58

Another dude that we've been hanging out with for 20 plus years. You know what I'm saying? And like another New Jersey hardcore, like literally, I mean, it's it's funny to say this about a guy that you know. Like, I remember watching Mongloid's first practice in uh Chris, this means everything's basement, um, and thinking to myself, this is never gonna work. You know what I mean? And then next thing you know, like the Mongols were the Mongols. But like, it's just it's it's so crazy because like, I mean, you know, he's a legendary dude in New Jersey hardcore. Like, there's no other way to say it. Like, he it is what it is. Really?

SPEAKER_01 42:30

Yeah, like, you know, like it's kind of it's awesome. But like, before he was that, he was just a dude from an Alpin and like East Brunswick hanging out areas that like we just all were together at shows. Like, I knew him as Pikachu.

SPEAKER_02 42:45

I met him, I think, at some 41 concert.

SPEAKER_01 42:48

Yeah, Pikachu. That is definitely uh That's a throwback that I'm sure he doesn't want us bringing up. He doesn't want us bringing that up.

SPEAKER_02 42:54

Although I did, when we were on tour, we were in Vegas, me and him, and I did get a picture of him next to a gigantic life-size Pikachu. Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 43:02

Yeah, he's he's pissed, dude. He'll never look at you the same thing.

SPEAKER_02 43:05

No, never. But I think I'm gonna Photoshop myself in on the other side of it or in Kissing.

SPEAKER_01 43:09

We could do that now, technology.

SPEAKER_02 43:10

That's what I'm saying. Yeah, you do anything. Well, from what I'm hearing, you're pretty nifty with the Photoshop. I might send it here.

SPEAKER_01 43:15

Oh, we'll see. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 43:17

I'm hearing that all these new year spend cold designs are coming via cuts. That's what I'm hearing.

SPEAKER_01 43:22

They're gonna be. And I'm loving it. I'm loving it. Yeah, yeah. You need any design stuff, uh starting to dabble with that again, uh, trying to keep it so that uh Listen, hit my boy, put some money in his motherfucking Venmo account, and let's do it. It's only like $3,000 of design. It's not a big hit. It's not that $3,000 is not a lot of money. It's the same, it costs the same to fill up your tank, dude. It's you're right. You're right.

SPEAKER_02 43:44

And to your point, life outside sucks, but hardcore has been awesome. It's still awesome, right? Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 43:50

So um, yeah, it's uh it is crazy. You know, we're all in the same boat. We all uh everybody's working their ass off right now. You know, we all feel like we're getting nowhere, but it is cool to be able to go to a hardcore show and just I mean, it really doesn't fucking matter. It's not like it's not like it's a hit to your bank account, really. You know what I mean? Like um, you could go there and have fun for like a real low amount of money. Right. You know how much money it costs to punch a bunch of people in the head out in public? A lot. It's fucking expensive, dude. It's a lot, it's at least $1,500 for a retainer. 100%, dude. And that's not even saying you don't even know where it goes from there, dude. That's exactly right. Seaside Heights used to be awesome, dude. You could just go down there and do it for free. Right. Now it's expensive. Right. After Sandy, you're not rolling. The hurricane came through, and now it's assault.

SPEAKER_02 44:37

They're actually checking those parking meters nowadays, too. You know what I mean? Things have changed. Yeah, that's not good. Things have changed. It's not good. Things have changed. But shout out to Seaside Heights, though.

SPEAKER_00 44:46

Yeah, Seaside Heights.

SPEAKER_02 44:47

So let's talk new Year Spent Cold, all right? I know, I know we got some some movement, quote unquote, on moving heaven to hell, and we'll see what happens with that. We won't get too far into it, but it it sounds cool to me, and I would be excited about it if I was a Year Spent Cold fan. But what's the deal with new music? How you guys looking? I know the new EP came out. It was awesome. I enjoyed the shit out of it. You gave it to me nice and early. I got to listen to it in the in your car, which was awesome. Yeah. And I think very much so, like the coolest part for me is to listen to Year Spent Cold in the future and think to myself, fuck yeah, this sounds like Year Spent Cold.

SPEAKER_01 45:24

Dude, you know, that was the goal, man. Like, here's the reality. Steve and Frank work hard on writing music.

SPEAKER_02 45:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 45:32

But I've got like a very specific.

SPEAKER_02 45:36

You've always had the vision of what this is.

SPEAKER_01 45:38

It's gotta have that feel, like, and I think for me, like it's gotta be it's gotta be written well, but there's this part of me where if that song doesn't make me want to mosh in a terrible, then fuck terrible, irresponsible way, right? This is not really for me. And you know, they're capable of writing insane shit, but it has to have that part that makes that chemical imbalance of, yeah, dude, I should definitely break laws right now while this is playing.

SPEAKER_02 46:09

I mean, your spin cold has always been the pit activating band. Like you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 46:14

That's like what I need. Even if it's just a little lead into something that makes it what it is, um, those dudes work so hard and they, you know, I gotta give them credit where credit is due because even during like COVID, while I lived out in Idaho, like I was out there for six years. So those dudes never stopped writing. They got fucking folders of shit, and it's like it's true, you know. The thing is though, like, it it's so it's it's really good stuff, and like I would like it if I heard it. But it was stuff that like it didn't like uh tip me over that edge of like violence.

SPEAKER_02 46:47

Well, not it wasn't fully years been cold. I remember Steve sending me some of it when we had talked about me coming back, yeah. And like it's not that it's bad, you're not wrong about that. It's fucking great. I think Frank is a very talented writer, and I Steve's always been fantastic.

SPEAKER_01 47:00

And they, dude, they work well together.

SPEAKER_02 47:02

In fact, it was like But it is missing what I would consider to be like your like that's the thing, you have a vision of what you want, and you were very, very specific about it.

SPEAKER_01 47:12

And I mean, dude, a lot of the stuff is ideas from those songs just slightly tweaked. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 47:20

Yeah, I mean like how can we push this a little bit further and make it more ridiculous?

SPEAKER_01 47:23

Because dude, some of the ideas were sick. They just, you know what I mean? It was just like the kind of thing where like we always wrote together. So it was always like pretty much the three of us, once Frank was in the band, all three of us always write together. The problem is when something gets written, like if one of us aren't there, that third person didn't have that extra so like even if like me and Frank write we all do the same thing. If me and Frank write, Steve's like, fuck, I need to be there.

SPEAKER_02 47:51

What about this?

SPEAKER_01 47:52

And then if Frank and Steve write, I'm like, fuck, I need to be there.

SPEAKER_02 47:55

And that's that's awesome though.

SPEAKER_01 47:57

Because like sometimes what'll happen is one of us will come up with an idea, we'll play it, like, oh, it doesn't work, but the third guy that's not there will have an idea that could have made it work. Yes, and then we don't have it anymore. So, you know, uh now it's kind of thing where like we schedule, like uh we'll schedule a day where we all get together. We just spend the whole day. Yeah, you know, like that's we figured out that the formula is that we all need to be together at the same time in order to do it. And you know, um we wrote those songs. I like to me, like the telltale, like the telltale way to do it for for me and all of us is we write it. We well, I'm gonna say we, Frank figured out, even though he said he wants nothing to do with it, figured out how to just record pre-production stuff. Yes. For us.

SPEAKER_02 48:45

And uh we did it, which is cool because it allowed me to-hilarious, by the way, because sidebar on Frank, that's that's one of the more Frank things I've ever heard. Now knowing him, is like, yeah, I really don't want to do that. That gets really good at it by accident, you know what I mean in three days. Right.

SPEAKER_01 49:03

Yeah, it was funny when we were talking about design stuff. I'm like, Frank, you could literally, you are literally.

SPEAKER_02 49:08

You could be the best designer on earth, Frank.

SPEAKER_01 49:10

Yeah, I was like, you you literally are capable of doing pre-production stuff in your basement for us. I'm pretty sure you can handle doing the same thing over and over in design. Yeah, it's way fucking easier. So it was really funny, but that is, yeah, Frank to a T. Yep. Um says he doesn't want anything to do with it, and you leave the house the next day, he's like, I never went to sleep. I learned how to do this.

SPEAKER_02 49:33

By the way, I can program drums now, and I'm really good at it. Right, right.

SPEAKER_01 49:36

But can't play drums in real life, but can program them. But program them and they sound amazing. Yeah. Typical Frank thing. But anyway, that was huge because it allowed us to record pre-production without going somewhere. Which is perfect. And we just listened to shit over and over, and my thing was like, we gotta listen to it for three months. If we listen to it for three months and we still like it after that, then it's probably good. It yeah, and like there was stuff that we did where I'm like, it's not doing it for me, man. Like, and then we sat down and uh my favorite song we ever wrote, um, The Path It Takes. Dude, it was crazy. We we went into like adjust one part, and we just wrote a whole new song with none of the parts. And that's how it happens. And we listened to it, we're like, wow, this is uh like the best song that we have, I think. And then we listened to it for three months, and I'm like, wow, this is uh this is the best song we have, I think. Like, and we just kept saying it. So we've got other stuff, uh, you know, we've been jamming on stuff. Um we just want to make sure it's right. And like, you know, the biggest thing for me was to be able to put out new stuff, but I didn't want people to be like, yeah, it's a little different, but like, I don't want that. Like, I I only want it different in a way that it's better. Like, I want years spent cold, but like blown up. Yeah. Like blown, blown out of proportion.

SPEAKER_02 50:54

There's gonna be progress. It's gonna actually be progress.

SPEAKER_01 50:57

Up, right? Right. Yeah. And you know, the hard thing is to like it been, it's six years, you know, like friends' bands would come through Boise, which Boise scene was sick when I was out there. It was cool to, you know, go to shows. Um, but I hadn't like actually sang like full sets. I'm like, dude, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_02 51:16

And we're gonna have that conversation. Like, dude, what are you doing? Get up there and do something with fucking haywire, and then you're like, alright, brother, I I I nailed one song. Like, can I can I do like eight songs?

SPEAKER_01 51:27

I was like, dude, I won't even do this. If I'm gonna do it and it doesn't sound good, like I'm not doing it. We just won't do the like I just won't do it. Yeah, you know, like I'm not gonna have it be like some shit version of myself. Yeah. And then, you know, like you like the first show back, I got through it. You know, I was in much better shape when I first got back, but um it it I got through it, but like I I beat myself up because I'm like, oh what the fuck, dude? I could have did this better, and like everybody compliments. It's never, you know, like afterwards.

SPEAKER_02 51:59

You are by far your harshest critic though.

SPEAKER_01 52:01

Yeah, you know, like I was very thoroughly excited about how the recording came out, though. I thought that I I was very happy with how my vocals came out. Um I was I was worried. I did all kind of like preemptive shit to make sure. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 52:16

Um it seems like worked out good for you. I tried to do that. The other thing about it is that like, you know, to your point about you loving it, I don't think that there's anything more important than putting out music that you actually love. Right. Like, who gives a fuck what other people think about it if you love it, right? Like, let's start there. Right. You don't get to decide whether people think about your shit anyway, right? Yeah, you can't do it. You can play it the best thing ever, and people will be like, fuck this, this is garbage. Right. But that's not what happened here. Right. Your spent cold was received with open arms, and I think the new EP has been received in the same way. Kids knowing the words, awesome right off the bat. Super stoked. You know what I mean? And like that's gotta feel awesome, dude.

SPEAKER_01 52:53

Yeah, kids kids knew the words. We just posted like 30-second teaser clips of people were singing, which was fucking awesome. The whole point of these songs was for you two to sing along, wink wink. Yeah, you know, like um, so I mean, it's crazy too. Like, it's been a while since I wrote lyrics. So it's like I wrote like lyrics to the songs like four times, and then I would throw it out, and I'm like, that's fucking garbage. I'm like, you know, as time goes on, when you're younger, you got everything to be angry about. A hundred percent. When you get older, like not as many things bother you, but the stuff that does bother you is way worse. So like I look at it like you're younger, like you know, you want to fight over everything, and then you get older and it's like none of this is that big of a deal, but when it is a big deal, it's a really big deal. Yeah, it's amplified. Yeah. You've gotta kind of have that. You've got to commit to that anger. Yeah, you've got to put something into what you know, you gotta have something to put into it. Yes. If you if your fucking life is all daisies and rainbows, yeah, it's I mean, you can write about daisies and rainbows. You can be happy. You can write happy sauce. Right, 100%. That's another thing. Like, you know, not every kid has to be the fucking the backyard brawler champion of hardcore. Yes. You can just not be tough and just go have fun. And just be an enjoy yourself. Yeah, dude. Yeah. You know, all you have to do is just do what you say and say what you mean. Right. You know what I mean? Like, I it's it's simple. You don't have to, you don't have to be tough. No. You don't there's kids that just aren't tough. That's cool. Yeah. You know what? You're a good guitar player? Just play guitar good. That's that's right. Exactly right.

SPEAKER_02 54:18

And don't talk about other things that you're not about. Right. And if if the things, the thing that like brought you to this moment anyway, or brought you into hardcore was just like the curiosity of the music or the tempo or the just atmosphere of it. That's fine too. Like you don't have to be like a kid who experienced fucking childhood trauma to be here. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 54:39

Like you could be in a you could be in a hardcore band that plays real violent songs and sings about violence. Be the happiest dude on early. You could open up with an AFI cover at Hellfest. You don't know. I mean, you know, there's that. Yeah. 100%.

SPEAKER_02 54:51

So I mean, it's uh shout out to the kids who did grow up with drama, though. As I'm one of them. But you don't have that doesn't have to be who you are. Right. That doesn't have to be you're everyone's accepted here.

SPEAKER_01 55:03

Yeah. Yeah, it's it's different, it's different now, dude. The shows are crazy, but they're crazy in a different way. You know, like you don't have to. It's so funny, like, so many fucking awesome bands from you know way back came back and played. Some stuck around, some just played and kind of went away, which is whatever, dude. You know, you gotta do what I mean, like bands. What works for you? You know, Cold is Life did it, Fury did it, um, you know, Shadow Realms playing again. It's it's cool to see bands like that, like turmoil, Path of Resistance. Yeah, you know, these are all bands that like uh, you know, disembodied's playing stuff here and there, which is cool. Yeah, um, we still want for the love of so I don't know what's up with that. Yeah, shout out to For Love. So, you know, Mike, yeah, you know, we want for the love of too.

SPEAKER_02 55:47

Wouldn't hate that.

SPEAKER_01 55:48

You know, I wouldn't hate it. I wouldn't hate hitting the anvil a couple times. No, you know, sounds good to me, actually.

SPEAKER_02 55:54

One of my first hardcore shows ever.

SPEAKER_01 55:55

Yeah, it's it's pretty good. It should, it should have been a Hellfest.

SPEAKER_02 55:58

I don't know, you know, like I I don't disagree. I don't think there's a better place for it to happen.

SPEAKER_01 56:03

Yeah, I mean, Hellfest, the anvil, for the love of it's New Jersey.

SPEAKER_02 56:07

I'm down, you know? Let's mic the fuck out.

SPEAKER_01 56:10

Now it's the time. Yeah, now is the time to chime. That is that is what we need. It would have been perfect.

SPEAKER_02 56:16

Yeah, I don't disagree. But it leaves something to be desired for soon, right?

SPEAKER_01 56:21

Yeah, I mean, like, a lot of those old bands coming back, super cool, and you know, it's just funny to see kids talk online sometimes about oh, dude, I'm gonna do this. Like, you're never gonna be able to capture what happened at those shows, man. Like, and that's okay. You can just go see it and sing along and mosh, but you are not the equivalent of 10 murderers in a room, like trying to kill each other.

SPEAKER_02 56:44

Well, it's not the same thing. And this is a this is a conversation I have all the time with people that ask me, like, what was it like, man? And I'm like, well, like, you know, we live in a society now where like dudes train jujitsu and like guys are like UFC fighters, right? And they're probably in the pit, right? Some of those guys. Cool. Not mad at them, right? Like, do your thing. Like, I I think any type of discipline like that is smart, right? But we come from a time, and stop me from wrong here, but like we were getting elbowed in the head by like legitimate street people, right? You know, like the guys that were involved in hardcore back then were like fresh out of jail, lots of them, and they were like street people. They weren't like, they weren't some trained guy, you know what I mean? They were like very it was a di just a different time and a different type of person. Like there was no cameras, there was no way to say, hey man, this is what's going on here. Like, people want to like um talk about how like, you know, it was a fight club, it was this and it was that. And like, in ways, I think it was, but like at the end of the day, like it was accountability, is what it was. Those, those, I mean, those guys, man, those guys were quick to show you when you were fucking up, they were quick to teach you a fucking lesson, and if you kept coming back, they were quick to take you under their wing and protect you. Right, right. And and that to me is, you know, that's what was very cool about us growing up. Well, we had a lot of really legit dudes that were present and were extremely cool to you if you understood how to move.

SPEAKER_01 58:24

It was uh it was a genuine way to make friends. That's the difference. A lot of people make friends through the internet now. Yeah, you know, building a relationship with somebody through a computer is not the same as having to see them over every weekend and actually being a friend. And if your friend needs help, you help them. If your friend gets jumped, you get jumped too. You make sure that they don't get jumped as bad. Right. You know, like that that there and that like I to go back to what I said before, you don't have to be a tough dude, but like you do have to understand that like growing up where like everything was a manual way of making friends. Yes. You went, you hung out, you supported, you also were loyal to your friends. It's a big difference than just commenting back and forth to each other, and now you're friends through Instagram or Facebook. It's very transactional now. That's okay. It's okay that you get to an age and that's kind of you know, stuff changes, but people do have to understand that maybe don't put that level of trust in people that you don't really know. Yeah. Or maybe don't tell people, oh man, this guy, you know, man, yeah, he's he's crazy. Oh, why? Cause because you read his posts? Right. Like that nobody knows who the fuck he is. He came out of nowhere. Like he could be a fucking cop for all we know. You know what I mean? Like, I see it all the time. Yes. And it's like, it's fine. Maybe he'll turn into a great dude and really fucking, you know, uh adds to hardcore and helps out. Right. Or maybe he's a scumbag and he shows up and ruin something.

SPEAKER_02 59:51

Well, only time tells that story, right? Right. And like the thing about back in the day that was special, and and I think like to the kids that ask. You gained it. Right. Like, I met you when I was a very, very young kid. And over the course of over the course of playing shows, seeing each other week in, week out, and like probably months of seeing each other where we never talked. Right. But it's just like, oh, he's always here, I'm always here. Right. You know what I mean? Eventually we're gonna have a conversation, and then eventually we did, we became friends, then we started a band. Like these things are all things that happen very organically, but in order, like a lot of kids now, like, you know, they'll ask, like, oh, how do I get on a show? Right. And like, it's sort of always been the same thing, and I think it still is. Like, I don't think I'm that far off by saying it, but like, if you want to play for Joe in Philly, like the best thing you can do is go to a show in Philly and introduce yourself to Joe at a show in Philly, right? Like, if you do that, chances are you will have a better shot at getting a show in Philly. Like, if you want to play a takedown show, you should go to Greg's shows and have a conversation with him about playing a takedown show. Right. And chances are he will think of you when he needs somebody, you know what I mean? Be a part of hardcore. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:09

You know, don't use it.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:10

Right. You know, like be present in those moments, be a part of that scene, and people will welcome you with open arms.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:17

You don't get to show up and just be a part of whatever you want to be a part of because you think it's owed to you, but then you don't come out. Look, you know, I'm fucking three hours away. I don't I don't like, you know what I mean? Like, it's not that I want to drive three hours to come see shows, but I will. I'll purposely schedule work so I could be back here to go to shows. Of course. You know, I mean I go to shows out there in Wilkesbury and uh Scranton and you know stuff out there. Um shout out all those dudes, Strength for a Reason, Chris Nanny Coke, um, all those guys out that way are uh have always been awesome. Just day one. I mean, those Strength for a Reason dudes, I don't know if there's nicer people in hardcore. Yeah, they're just they've been around forever, they've never not been nice. Nope. And they're just regular working dudes who still love playing. Legends in the game. Legends in the game. Check out Strength for a Reason. Absolutely. Um, but yeah, dude, I mean, it's that's another nice thing about hardcore. It's like I live three hours away, but I have friends out there that I enjoy being around.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:13

Yeah, and if and if you didn't, right? Like, that's the other thing that's cool about it too. Like, and I say this shit all the time. Like, we were just in Belgium to play that fest, and like, I don't fucking know anybody in Belgium. I'm from fucking New Jersey, right? But like, if I go to that fest, guaranteed I can make 30, 40 friends. Right. Even with a language barrier. Because like you to go do something. A hundred percent. Dude, next thing you know, we were at like a really cool cemetery. We saw like the whole downtown area. Like, and this is based in what? Like, you know what I mean? A common love of hate breeds first record? Like, what are we talking about? You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 1:02:48

We just all love running off top of things and jumping on people's heads.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:52

So now all of a sudden, no matter where I go in the world, I have a friend. Yeah. It's like people are like, oh, I flew here.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:57

I had to get a tour guide, like, oh. Yeah, we flew there too, and then we had walked across a bunch of people, and they asked us if they if if we were to go with them to see the city.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:08

So now I'm gonna go hang out with them. I'm actually staying at their house now. Yeah. This is one of the things I was playing in a death metal band for a little while, and I was playing bass, and we flew over to England for shows. Right. And as we flew over to England for shows, everybody was like, dude, where's your gear? And I was like, I don't I don't have any gear with me. The gear's gonna be there, right, when I get there. And um, and they were like, what are you talking about? Like it was like foreign concept to them. And I was like, dude, I'm a hardcore kid, man. I just started messaging dudes that fucking are over there, and like I just started asking people for help. Right. And everybody helped me. Like, and that's that to me is like something very special about hardcore that you do not find in other communities, you know? Like, people that are just literally willing to give you the shirt off their back, you know what I mean, because you guys are bonded in this thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:52

Yeah, it's definitely a different uh people, you know, it's it's hard to understand unless you're a part of it. I mean, I hear it all the time. Um, really people at that age are doing this. I'm like, yeah, everyone I know at that age that's doing that is fucking miserable. Guess what? I'm not. You know what I mean? Like, uh, I still go do whatever the fuck I want. I still go hang out with friends, we still go get food. Right. You know, I mean, dudes in their mid-50s are still pumped on the same things they were pumped on when they were 20. Exactly. You know, I mean, I'm 41, so I'm younger than a lot of those dudes, but those are the dudes that I grew up like. We're still band sharing to, you know what I mean? You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 1:04:29

We're still sharing the new band that we think is dope. Yeah. Like we're still doing those things. And like that, that's the coolest part about this is that, like, look, I mean, 20 years later, we were in a band together way back when, right? And now we're sitting here having this conversation about your new music. Right. I got new music coming out. Everybody that's in my life is from hardcore. Like, clearly, we didn't lose it because people still want to do it. You know what I mean? Like, and people are still enjoying our version of it, which is so fucking cool and such a blessing, and I'm so fucking grateful. And it's just like, it's it's so cool, dude. Like, I mean, we're we're in this building that is built off of relationships in hardcore. Like, the people that work with me are people I met in hardcore, like my wife met her in hardcore. You know, like shout out to Chelsea. Exactly. A real one. A real one. A real one. Day one for sure.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:18

Yeah, and you know, like the witch baby building.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:21

The witch baby building. Hey, listen, man. It's like, you know, the the thing that's crazy about it is just it's like, you know, and I say this a lot on stage, and I I fucking mean it, like, if you if you just if you just care about this thing and you just give back to it, even just a little bit, right? It'll give you so fucking much. And it's like it's just it's really, really an unbelievable experience to like just you know, all these years later, man, just to still be so excited about new bands, to be so excited about the way the scene looks, the way the kids are coming out to shows, the the way that people are singing along to your spent. Like to be just to be on stage watching Year Spend Gold play is a thrill for me.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:05

Oh, it's awesome. Yeah, because it's like awesome to have you back there too.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:08

Dude, it's just like this is so crazy to me. Like to watch it and like, like I said, man, the version that you have on the stage is fucking awesome. You guys are kicking ass and taking names. And like, I love it, man. I I love to see it. And like it's just been good.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:22

Everybody's like, it's been good having everybody in the same room hanging out. Like, it's like the same kind of group. Like a lot of the same people that were there, we all first met at Chrome. And you're fucked 13, 14 years old. Like I'm 41 now. Right. Dude, like they were there. You know what I mean? Like having those people in the room enjoying what we're doing is pretty funny.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:45

We were talking about it right before the Shadow Rome set at Hellfest, where I turned around and all of you guys are just behind my amp. Right. And it's just, we're just talking shit to each other like we always have. Yes. Trying to pop each other, trying to get each other to laugh. And like, it's just that camaraderie, that like that community and around this heavy music is so fucking special. And it's awesome because all these years later, dude, like you just said, like, we're all still together. We all still fuck with it the same way we always did.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:13

And those are the uh, you know, hearing those Shattered Realm songs, you know, and thinking that I remember those like first couple songs coming out on that EP, and just uh, because me and Scooch went to high school together. Yeah, and I remember Scooch walking in and be like, yo, you heard this? And I'm like, yeah. Where do we get it though? Like, because we didn't have you know what I mean? Like, we like he just like would have stuff and like we would go see it, and then like, dude, now that's why like dude, it's not that I can't mosh, it's that like I love new bands, but like there's only like a couple bands that'll like really set me over that edge of like, okay, okay, I can't handle standing here anymore.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:57

You know what I mean? It's Shattered Realm songs, yeah. Just because that it just dude, there's so much, there's just so much that happened from Shattered Realm. Yeah. You know what I mean? There's so much that happened over those years that I love. You know, there is shit that so much influence too. Yeah, I mean a ton of influence, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 1:08:18

Like, um, so I mean, just to hear those songs regardless, it's like uh those are the those are the songs that push me over uh And that's what I I told Joe like when we first started having the conversations about like me being in the band. I was like, you know, like he was like, he said to me, he's like, would you join the band full time? And I was like, you know, for me, I just want every 13-year-old kid who's getting into hardcore to have the same fucking experience I had. Like, when I say that that was the first band I ever saw at a hardcore show, I'm not lying. Like, I walked in and they were playing Fucking All Will Suffer, and I was like, What the fuck is this? This is everything changed for me in that moment. I was like, everything I thought about how you played guitar or what happened or how fast you were supposed to play was all out the fucking window, you know, and so it was like to be able to provide that experience to a young kid that never had it before was what drew me and really pushed me to want to do it.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:20

Dude, I even I was at the Eminem Hall show where uh Chris Collins was singing.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:26

It's insane. I had the video people people forget about Collins as a vocalist.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:30

Yeah, and I didn't even I didn't fucking know, dude.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:33

And Chris Perfolovich playing guitar.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:34

Right, right. And I like, dude, I didn't know. Like I knew nothing. Like I just knew it was a band playing. I it might have even been like a Marauder show or something.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:42

Um at the time though, you we dude, that's the thing that I think people didn't understand about those times. Like the shows were crazy, and the lineups, if you look back at them, you're like, holy shit. But we were going to everything.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:52

Didn't matter. We wanted to find new bands.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:54

I was at fucking ska shows. I didn't give a fuck. I just wanted to be outside. Anything that got me out of my mom's house, brother, I was there.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:01

Dude, there and they're like, dude, some of the ska shows were fun too. 100%. That's what I'm saying. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 1:10:08

A lot of those bands were fucking awesome. There was like a lot of hardcore kids in those bands. All the Knights of Columbus shows, you know what I mean? And then you moved into the fucking the Stingrays room where they were like doing those Sunday like matinees where like people don't realize, man, like they were doing Sunday matinees with like taking back Sunday, the starting line, and like bands that like brand new that wound up being massive bands. Right. And we were seeing them for fucking seven dollars on Sundays.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:33

Dude, but like how about shows where there'd be like Shattered Realm and S and on the other stage?

SPEAKER_02 1:10:37

That's what I mean. Shattered Realm and My Chemical Romance, before My Chemical Romance was even a thing, you know?

SPEAKER_01 1:10:42

And the banner, probably.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:44

Yeah. I mean, I remember I right, and the banner, of course. And then, you know, there's the ever so important put your spend cold with, you know, from modum to ashes and see how that goes.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:54

Yeah. It went well, it went well with From Outum to Ashes. Yeah, they loved us. Yeah, it didn't go well for it did go well for the other fucking crybabies to play the show. No, shout out to them. Yeah. But it is what it is, dude. Whatever. You know, there's always gonna be fucking dorks in hardcore.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:07

Uh yeah, we'll we'll just keep a lot of the names and situations omitted. You know, I I'd like to not uh I'd like to not put my my uh my my beautiful wife in it's any more trouble than she's called to.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:23

You don't want to get her wound up. No, no, that's she's the one you gotta worry about.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:27

A hundred fucking percent. That's been my bodyguard a long time. But you know, it's it's it's just like it's it's awesome to me to like, you know, to be able to reminisce about this kind of stuff, to be able to talk about like the state of where hardcore's at. And like, you know, I just I it's it's awesome that you guys are writing new music. It's awesome that new music's coming from any any of these camps, but like it's just like to hear and see the success of the band in 26, like, you know, congratulations. I know you worked your balls off to get back to where you are, and I'm fucking proud of you, man.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:58

I listen, a lot of the thanks, you know, uh Greg is a big part of it, but a lot of you could thank Brian from Death Before Dishonor because while I was living out in Idaho and just you know, just wanting to enjoy my time out there, uh being um just living in the land of no laws and doing whatever I wanted. Right. Um Death Before Dishonor played, which was man, what a fucking breath of fresh air. Just a band that I always loved, coming to play Boise and I can have a good time. And uh Brian was like, hey dude, so and you know, like of all people, Greg's just like, hey, why don't you put it in Kutz's ear that your spank holder play? So, you know, like Brian, you can't really say no to Brian. He's like, he's not an unreasonable dude. He's like, uh, so you know, Hunter Demons is gonna play. And I was like, oh no shit, cool. We're gonna play too. And uh you guys should probably play it as well. I was like, I yeah, he's like you probably should do it.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:03

And I was like, well, if it's you guys and Hunter Demons. I think I could do it. I'll uh I guess I have to call these dudes and see if they're down to do it. So, you know, it was really Brian that uh I told Greg I wasn't sure, and then you know, Brian. It's hard to say no in person.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:20

It's very hard to say no in person.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:21

It's very hard to say no in person. And you know, like, how can you argue with a dude that somehow has better cardio than everyone and is living off of coronas and cigarettes? The fucking guy has it figured out. Dude, he literally his feet barely stay on the ground for the whole set.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:37

Dude, we just toured with them and they have incredible energy.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:41

It's incre it. I mean, everyone's got incredible energy, but Brian like purposely smokes cigarettes and drinks coronas and outdoes everybody.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:50

It's it's insane. I almost like and he's a cigarette guy, and I'm gonna get a few more. He's got that very like that gravely voice, too. Like for anybody that hasn't heard Brian have a conversation, right? Like he's a uh, you know, he's got like the low gravel voice.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:02

Dude, listen, you might want to contact him for uh cardio training. Dude he's gotta figure it out. He could probably give you the exact measurements of corona he intakes.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:10

He has a secret to longevity.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:12

Yeah. Yeah. He's saying, I don't, I don't know. You gotta find out kind of cigarettes he's smoking. I don't know. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:17

I I didn't see him smoking on the last tour. He might have quit.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:20

I was gonna say, it must increase his lung capacity or something. But uh it blew my mind, dude. It went against everything the doctor said. Now I'm kind of questioning everything. Right.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:28

Maybe we should be smoking.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:30

Right. They keep telling us not to, and then Brian has all this fucking Just defying the odds. Yeah, unbelievable.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:35

Yeah, dude, they were they were closing with with Trudeau Death.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:38

Uh it was like Yeah, that's a good uh It was so cool, man. Yeah, just uh another band been around forever, dude. Yeah, and the songs are awesome.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:46

And the new songs are awesome.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:47

I was like, I don't know how you still can't I don't know how you can do this much. He's like, that's all I know, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:51

Yeah, I mean they're still dude, they're still touring the world. Yeah, like you know what I mean? And like as a hardcore band, like they uh you know they're still Death Before Dishonored.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:00

That's what I'm saying. Yeah, that's what I mean. Still is the Death Before Dishonored stuff. That's what I mean, man. They didn't change it up, they didn't switch to something else. There's still you know, and this lineup they've had has been forever, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:15:10

It's kind of like shout out to Greg, too, what a great dude. But um I mean, yeah, I mean, that's that's amazing to hear that Brian is is the is the catalyst for for essentially pulling your ass out of retirement. Yeah, he is. But blocking you from from Ohio, what was it, Idaho obscurity.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:26

Dude, it could even it he could even be the reason that like kind of made me want to like just leave and come back. You know, it was like the spark of like, all right, well, if there's gonna be something to do.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:36

Well, I remember having conversations with you too, like early on. Like you, I remember you said to me, like, yeah, I heard I heard the Bayway demo, and I was like, I have to know who this is. Like, based solely on how this sounds.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:48

Well, and the other thing was too, like, then I see Jay Way, I'm like, who the fuck is Jay Way, dude? I'm like, this fucking guy looks like Joe Carcass. And I'm like, yo. And I I don't remember how I said it, but I was like, how do I ask, how do I ask this dude if he's who I know as Joe Carcass? And then I looked at him, I'm like, this is fucking him.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:13

It was hilarious. When we started Bayway, Chris was like, Chris was the reason we called it Baywei for the to begin with. And then he would jokingly like, I was like, dude, we should all have nicknames. Like, you know, all the dumb shit you say in a group chat. And none of the nicknames stuck, except for mine. You know what I mean? None of none of the stupid shit that they threw at the at the wall ever stuck, except for when it came to me. And it was like, we're gonna be called Bayway, we're gonna call it Bay, it's gonna be called that Bayway. What up, Jay Way? And it was like, it just turned into this thing, and now I don't know. I don't know that I can get away from it now. I think it's I think it's over. It is what it is, it's it's become what I am.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:51

Yeah, yeah. I mean, and uh, you know, a little bit of other information, uh, Chris. Chris was in uh Uruspen Cole for a little bit. Chris, yes, he was. He was in Urspent Cole for a little bit. Yes, everybody's in years been cold for a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:04

Chris had a six-string bass in your spent cold, which is an absolutely insane thing to have played.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:09

Chris was like three years old. Yeah. He was like, we had to like keep our eye on him so he didn't hurt anybody badly.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:16

He had negative facial hair at the time. Yeah. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 1:17:19

I'm pretty sure we pulled him out of like sixth grade class because.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:22

We plucked his ass right out of seventh grade and we're like, yo, what's up, kid? Go play red zone. Can you play open?

SPEAKER_01 1:17:26

Yeah. Can you play the red? Yeah. Yeah, he showed up, he played, he played. I remember him playing that red zone show. It was us, full-blown chaos, um, maybe fight night.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:38

Dude, insane.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:39

I'm trying to think who else.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:40

Those lineups were crazy. Yeah. Especially the stuff we were playing in the city at the time. Yeah. It was insane, man.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:46

But it the you know the crazy part is though, it was at a time where people weren't really going to shows. You're right.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:51

It it people were pumped on it, but they didn't actually go. Well, that's the thing that I always say. Like, people always say, like, oh dude, I wish I got to see I rate. And I'm like, I really wish that you did too, because like I used to go see I rate, and there was wasn't packed by any stretch of the imagination. Depending on where it was. Yeah. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 1:18:08

But there were plenty of shows these bands played where we all did. We played, and it was like, yo, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_02 1:18:14

And I I personally, like, for me, uh, one of my favorite bands. You know what I'm saying? I love it. Shout out to Phil, love Phil. Yeah, great dude. It's just like, you know, shows at the time, it's just the scene, like what kids see right now is not what we were working with, man.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:29

You know what? The uh, you can't get it on Spotify, but man, that uh the three-song black CD that irate did is like one of the heaviest, hardest recordings. You get on YouTube, it's black. I think it's like CPR. Yep. Uh CPR. What else is on it?

SPEAKER_02 1:18:54

This is a fundamental record for any person that says they want to be in a beatdown band.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:59

There's three songs, but dude, it is I get I forget songs because I just don't look at them. Yeah. I play it and I just go.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:06

The thing about it that was pure, it was it was a pure version of all those songs. They weren't worked, and his vocal delivery was slightly different on a lot of the stuff. It was very like just a raw version of the band. Right. And it was the heaviest version of them songs for sure.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:22

And the first time I saw them was without a bass player. Did no bass player the night that I saw them, and I was like, what the fuck, dude? That was the heaviest shit I ever heard without a bass player. Yeah. I was like, God damn.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:32

I just remember like what was cool about bands like that, and at the time there was a lot of bands that were doing this kind of stuff, like they had those melodic parts that just made you like think everything was gonna be okay, and then it wasn't. You know, God forbid was another band that comes to mind that was like that where they had like these beautiful Metallica-esque melodic parts that were gorgeous, dude. Reject the sickness, and then it was absolutely ridiculous. Reject the sickness, shout out Corey Pierce.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:03

Yeah, dude. I mean, come on. There just every aspect of that fucking record is just absurd, dude.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:12

I you it's funny, like Staple of New Jersey's sound. Like, if if you ask me, like, oh, like, and and to the point of hardcore, god forbid, very much a metal band, but was very much playing exclusively hardcore shows at the time.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:27

And for me, that was the record, dude. Like, there was like dude, just you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 1:20:32

It's kind of like determination and rejected sickness for sure.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:35

Like, you know, like on the topic of like no hype, no gimmicks, just violence. That's what that was. That was that was just written for fucking madness.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:43

Yeah, they weren't, you know what? It's like when you listen to that, you can just like there is you know, like to me, I just like the thought that comes to mind when I hear shit like that is like they were not fucking playing.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:52

No, dude.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:53

They were not fucking playing. Like they they came out with with a vengeance and they were not fucking playing.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:59

And they did it good.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:00

It was pissed. That's that's the best way to describe it.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:02

Yeah, it was good. I mean, there was a lot of good bands. I mean, another band has Darkness Falls, they were fucking awesome, dude. Um there was a lot of bands during that time. Uh, I was just talking to Josh Truskill the other day about Strength 691. Yeah. Another great melodic band that, like, dude, like what, like 98, 99, and there's bands now that are trying to copy that song. They can't like that sound, they can't fucking accomplish that.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:26

Like, the thing about it is, is that like, and I've I've always said this about Jersey. Jersey's so it's so like culturally diverse. Right. And it's such a melting pot that there's just so many weird influences that you got here that you just don't get in other places. New York as well, like, you know what I mean? But like, for some strange reason, like, I mean, just look at look at a map of like densely populated areas, you will see New Jersey is bright red. Right. You know what I mean? Like, we've got the most motherfuckers per square mile, and like it sounds like it. Like, you you had to like not only were you listening to all sorts of different shit, but you had to do something to stand out. There's so many motherfuckers that are right there to take your place that you had to do something special to stand out.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:14

You know, and that's the thing about like I think that earlier era was shit would come out and it would be off the wall different. Yeah like so I mean like another band, like unsound. Fucking awesome, dude. Me and uh me and Craig, four eyes Craig. Yeah, Craig Demosy. Yep. Um, there are times where like we'll just dude, we'll be on because he always comes out with us and does merch and uh he's like he is like our standard bring along for tourists. Yes. Craig, I think Craig's even on the band at this point.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:40

He's a staple.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:40

Yeah, I think he hums in the background.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:42

He's the sixth member coming off the bench.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:44

He has to be there. Yeah, he has to be there to add anxiety and happiness.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:49

He also has to be there to consistently debate you, regardless of whether or not he's right or not.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:54

Yes, things that really don't matter. Tell me that we can't go get good food, that he knows a better place, always. We will always. What are friends for? Yeah. Um but yeah, there's times where we'll be driving and we both do it. We'll go through and be like Bandcamp, Unsound NJ. Right. And it'll be like and and like all of a sudden, it's like, oh, you went that route. You know, like and we and we listen to the five songs.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:23

It opens up the can of like going down that road of all the weird, obscure shit, you know what I mean? And then trying to like best your friend. Like, that's the stuff about like hardcore that I always loved. Was that like, especially back in the day, like when we had like the the iPod, and it was like, you know, you were scrolling through your boy's shit and you were like, oh, oh, this motherfucker got the real shit.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:44

You would select it and drop it into that folder, and it would go right in the iPod. Fuck dude, it's on there. It's on there, dude.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:49

Everybody had the like the one friend who had like the aim folder where they had every record, you know what I mean? I remember scouring for like built upon frustration. Oh, trying to find that, trying to find Burnt by the Sun, trying to find December atronalis, like December's another one. Just always trying to. I remember I sent you that fucking picture of the mini disc that I have, December eternalis, like such random, crazy shit. And like all those bands were just off the wall, but New Jersey's always had that, you know. New Jersey's always had the like really like ridiculous, unafraid to like try weird shit. And like, that's always what's made it special, in my opinion. You know?

SPEAKER_01 1:24:29

Yeah, they're uh Philly, same way, dude. Philly had a ton of fucking awesome bands, you know. All fail is a perfect example, like perfect example. How the fuck can you not love that band? I don't know, like, god damn, dude, there are some fucking songs on there that are like dude, you could straight up hear the unhinged.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:47

You're taking me you're taking me back to HXCmp3.com right now. That's that's where I'm at in my mind.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:52

What about just straight up mp3.com? I mean, I'm there as well. That was early. I'm there as well. Dude, I remember It Dies Today downloading. I remember downloading the three songs that It Dies Today had on mp3.com and being like, dude, we would go through there, and I'm like, all right, well, this band's called It Dies Today, and this is how their logo looks. Right. Here's another band with a similar logo. I bet this is fucking good too.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:15

What is Evergreen Terrace? Let me check this out. Yeah, you know what I mean? Awesome. Yeah, yeah, just like uh it's crazy how we would have found stuff early on, you know, like and we found, you know, shout out to Josh because like I I'm in his basement the other day and we're filming the fucking Bayway commercial, and we also shot like an MTV cribs and shit, and he's like taking us through, like, taking us through like he's got he's got fucking everything down there. It's insane what he's doing. If you get the opportunity, you have to go.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:42

Not only does he have all the things, he doesn't forget anything either. No. He's like an encyclopedia. So when you talk to him, he'll be like, January 3rd, 1936, at 5.63 p.m.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:52

Exactly. That's when we recorded the first Poison the Well video. Yeah. You know what I mean? You're like, what the fuck? And the following year, an hour later, Path of Resistance did the photo shoot and that happened. He opens, he opens up a drawer, right? And in the drawer, it's like the original, it's on like little mini videotapes. It's all of like Poison the Well Tear from the Red music videos with like the MTV versions of them and like the bleeding through videos with all the MTV versions. And I'm just like, dude, if you told fucking 14-year-old me that I was gonna be in your basement doing this, he would not have believed you, but he would have thought it was so cool that that could even possibly happen.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:30

Dude, best he really is such a great dude, man. It's funny too, because uh uh my sister interned at Trustkill. That's awesome. And uh it was funny because I was like, oh yeah, I was like, dude, my sister actually interned there. Dude, the first thing he asked was, did she have a good experience? I just want to I always want to make sure the interns like enjoyed it and learned a lot. Like, dude, he's like the just like when do you get a genuine dude in hardcore? Well, I mean, not in hardcore, but just that you work for where they're like, I'm just concerned, I wanted to make sure they were happy when they had the internship. Like, you know, like, and he that's not the only person I've talked to that's worked for him that's been like, oh, it's fucking awesome, you know. Like, dude, he's he's he's incredible.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:15

Like, I today, right, like he had made uh for World of Bay Way 3 for the last thing that we did, he had made like our c he makes like all of our cover arts. So I was like, dude, uh the the podcast is called World of J-Way. I need like a logo for the podcast. Can you think you could like finagle this for me? I think it was 24 minutes later, and I was like, dude, put podcast in it. He's like, I already fucking did. And he sent it to me. And like that's the type of guy, you know what I mean? Like, he's one of the dudes, and like, but he's one of the dudes that's been around since fucking 1994 throwing shows in his basement. Right. And like that's insane.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:52

Never got to go to those shows. I just hear how awesome, like, people talking about you know, uh going upstairs and walking by his parents to go to the bathroom. And you know, uh I mean, just fucking awesome.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:03

We're at his house, and he I go into his mother's room, and she's like, This is why I was never able to hear what was going on downstairs, because the basement ends at this particular location in the house, so I never knew what was happening in here. And Josh is like, Yep, two o'clock in the morning, Haprie's playing their first show in New Jersey down there. My mom and dad are sleeping right in this room, and I'm like, What am I experiencing? So like this is New Jersey hardcore history, and I'm just standing in it, you know?

SPEAKER_01 1:28:30

You know, like different time of the world, too. Like, people just parked and no one called the cops. No one cared. You know, like now, it wasn't like so funny, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:37

Uh you park in front of someone's house who doesn't know you, they're calling the cops.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:40

People fucking cry about everything.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:42

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:42

These kids don't do this, they don't do that. Then they go to a hardcore show and they're like, we can't have this. It's like, well, what the fuck do you want them to do? Where do you where do you want them to do it? You don't want them at skate parks, you don't want them on the fucking road, you don't want them at shows. You complain they're inside too much. They fucking complain about everything, you know? It's such a everyone's such a fucking pussy anymore. It's insane. Especially like older people at this point. Yeah. Are just fucking miserable.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:04

And older, and older people that you didn't think were gonna be like that. Because when I was younger, those older people, those same older people that have turned into complete pussies are were the hardest motherfuckers on the planet. Like people that you when they say the shit now, you're like, what? From you?

SPEAKER_01 1:29:21

It's so funny too. Like when I was out in Idaho, um, I like the one day I came out and there were kids playing baseball on the street, and like, you know, my truck was out there, but like it was a truck for like going up into the mountains. Yeah, you don't give a fuck. I still don't want baseball, I was going through the window, but like I looked out front, like my initial thought was like, what the fuck? And then the other part of my head was like, Let them play. Man, I'm so glad these kids are outside playing games and not on their fucking phones like losers. Right. You know, like listen, we're all on our phones to some extent, but you know, like there's different ways to do things. Like, you could sit at your fucking house and be lazy and watch everything from a fucking couch, or you could just stop watching it and just go do it. Yep. It doesn't take much, dude. It's just get off your ass and fucking do something. Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:09

I feel like like the one thing that I've really, really enjoyed about the current state of hardcore is that it does feel communal. Like when you're in it, you're fucking in it. And like it does feel like a collective energy. And like, I think like for me as a kid, I always watch like the one-for-one videos like City Gardens, and I remember like looking and seeing like a thousand people and being like, this is so cool. Like, how the fuck did they get this many people to show up to shows? And now, like, you know, you look out at Hellfest and it's like a very similar vibe. Right, right, right. Kids are jumping off the stage, everyone's doing front flips off the stage, everybody's moshing hard, and it's like this sort of like collective, communal like thing, this energy that that that we're experiencing now is like what I had always hoped that this was gonna be for me. Like, and I feel like the early hardcore, like 90s hardcore, really had that. And it's just very, very cool to like, and I feel blessed and super grateful to have the opportunity to be involved in it the way, the way that it is present day.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:16

You know, dude, it's fucking awesome to see so many people deserve to be involved in it, involved in it. Um, you know, you got to give credit where credit is due to the younger bands that are doing a lot for the scene here, and and whether it's Pennsylvania or Jersey, you know, uh Fool's Game, uh, you know, those dudes are involved in so much. I mean, Clemo's at every fucking show helping Ricky out over at Cinco.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:39

Yeah, I mean, Ricky does a perfect example, you know what I mean? Negative force.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:42

That dude doesn't say no to anybody. He's like, Yeah, you need a show, yeah, I'll get you the show.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:45

Doesn't matter what what kind of show, what kind of band. I know, I know.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:50

He'll pick up the slack on anything, you know, and even in you know, Philly, I mean, um fucking Stucky from um Fool's Game is doing shit there, you know, like these dudes are all involved, man. Yeah, you know, um they just are at everything, you know. I I wish I could be it more, but I only got just fucking the drive it back and forth. It's hard for me to make everything. But you know, I get it. It's good to see kids in those bands they're playing. Dude, like they'll show up like a member can't play. Somebody else could fill in. Like, I we can't do that. Like they they pull it off, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 1:32:26

And um it's like a different thing. Like, I remember when I first came back, like thinking like uh to your point, like what you just said, like when I first came back and like everyone was sharing gear and they were all sharing members, I was like, what the fuck is going on? Right. Like I was from the school of like you have to bring everything, you have to bring like you know what I mean, nothing would be provided for you. And then like I that was my first sense of like shit's changed, like in terms of it being like communal and like being a community, right? Like, and I was like, man, this is this is actually very fucking cool in comparison to what I remember. And to your point, like if Suicide Eyes needs a bass player, right? They probably have one who's in negative force, right? You know what I mean? Like, it's not a big deal for three of the bands on a show to have all the same members, and that's what's fucking cool about it. They're all starting new bands, they're all trying to get this shit off the ground and to see it grow, and it's fucking awesome, man.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:23

Yeah, and just good dudes too, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 1:33:25

I wish I could be at more shit too. Like I said the other night, like the it I'm happy as fuck that my band tours as often as we do because it's my dream to do that.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:33

Right.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:33

But so much stuff happens at home that I'm like, fuck.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:37

Well, you know, you're busy, dude. And not only that, like you guys run a business, you know what I mean? You got a kid, you got school stuff that you have to deal with with her, and you know, you got the business stuff that's owning a business isn't just while it's open, it's also afterwards.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:50

Yeah, I always we we make the joke all the time, but like we quit working nine to five to work 24-7.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:54

Right.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:55

You know what I mean? Like, if my phone's on me, I'm at work. You know, it's unfortunate, but it's the way it is.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:00

You know what I mean? You you know, just because you have the freedom to uh, you know, kind of do what you're doing during your day doesn't mean that after you leave there isn't shit you gotta handle, you know? Right.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:13

Um and I appreciate you saying it, because not everybody does see it that way, you know. Dude, it's it's uh And some people have unrealistic expectations of what you can do.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:22

You know, even when I'm here, dude, it's like I'm three hours away from home. Luckily, I have family that's got a place, yeah, you know, that um But I mean, shout out to you.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:30

You drove all the way the fuck out here, you worked all fucking day, you're here doing this podcast, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 1:34:35

Because I want to do it. Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:37

Yeah, dude, I was pumped. I was like, I I thought to myself, I was like, you know, like I I I had thrown around the idea of doing a podcast. Actually, Joe pushed me to do it. You know what I mean? And like I had done his podcast a couple times, and like so the idea of doing one was cool, but like I'm like, you know, like for me, it's like I have to get over the initial hump of doing it. Like, do the thing. Figure out the flow of doing it. Right, like do the thing. And I'm like, who am I gonna be able to have like a better, more comfortable conversation with than fucking you? You know what I mean? Like, yeah. Right. We've been doing we've been I don't even know how long we've been bullshitting. I'm sure it's been like an hour and a half, two hours, but like it feels like four minutes, and it was the easiest fucking thing on earth for me to do.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:16

So I appreciate you doing it for me. I really do. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 1:35:18

Like, I'm I'm very, very grateful.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:19

I mean, dude, like there's so much shit. You remember a lot of shit that I don't remember too. Like, I remember it once you say it, but like there's been times where we were together and I'm like, fuck, dude, I forgot about that. Or Steve said the other day about you stopping in traffic and then getting out and jumping on his hood and getting back in the fucking car. You know, like shit like that. I don't, I don't, you know, I forget about that shit.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:38

Scooch had brought up to me the other day, uh, he was like, uh it was dur right right before you guys started playing your set. And he like leans over to me and he's like, he's like, Do you remember when you played in PA and you were dancing and you punched through that gigantic glass thing, and you just you got so mad that you you punched through the other glass thing, and I'm like, yes, and I look down at my hand, I'm like, I still got the scar, kid. And I remember it was like we played with CDC, I don't remember where the fuck it was, but we were in like some type of cafe, and it like it got rowdy or whatever, and whatever happened, and I wound up going through like some gigantic glass case, and it was just like for me, it was like a memory of like I remember like Chris like hanging from a ceiling fan. It was like one of those days where we we were acting a fool.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:28

Dude, do you remember I don't know where the fuck it was, but someone brought it up the other day, and I remembered the show. You remember there was a place, it was somewhere in PA, somewhere near it's probably somewhere like on the border. We played and the lady would always like make a giant portion of spaghetti and it was like a soda bar. Where the fuck was that? It was small. It was a small place. Like I don't and I don't know how long it was.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:56

I blew my amp out there. Actually, we gotta talk to Tony O because he'll he'll tell you about this, and I think it's the same fucking spot because this is like it was like way like almost South Jersey, borderline, Pennsylvania.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:10

The spot that I'm thinking of was probably up towards Stroudsburg. Okay. In that from what I remember, like I want to say it might even be Bethlehem. Something out that I don't know. There were so many spots that would have like one or two shows. And the lady was cool. The show went off good.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:26

Like back then, we played twice, usually, maximum, at whatever venue it was that we were killing. Yeah, it uh it was it was the sign of the times, you know what I mean? We were we weren't we weren't terrible people when it really boiled down to it. It was just the way things really went. Right, right. You know, and that's like what do we I think we did Big Eds Barbecue once, right? We got to do that once or twice.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:47

Played a couple of those, dude. That place had shows all the time. We played there at 25 to life.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:51

Remember that gigantic hall?

SPEAKER_01 1:37:53

Yeah, Froggers. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:55

That was a 25 to life show, too.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:57

Dude, yeah, you're right. It was. Yeah. But dude, those places, there'll be a what's crazy is too, like those shows had a lot of people.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:03

Like a lot of people were.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:04

Well, back then, like, it's funny that you say it because like back then, South Jersey, I felt like like, and I'm not talking about the shore. I'm talking about South Jersey, like borderline Delaware. They had a better scene sometimes than we did up north. Yeah. You know? Once Chrome went away, dude. It was hard. It was hard. Once Chrome went away, dude, Drew. And then we had Bloomfield Ave, though.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:28

Bloomfield for a while, yeah. Uh, and I don't even like I uh I went to that Haywire show in Bloomfield and like walked Bloomfield Ave up to and I was like, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_02 1:38:40

It's like a Chinese store now, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:38:42

Dude, like so there used to be that crown fried chicken across the street. Yeah. That's how I'd always remember.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:48

Yeah, and it's hard to find it now.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:49

It's uh it's not crown fried chicken anymore. It's like a a higher-end chicken and pizza spot. Hell yeah. It's kind of like if crown fried chicken got put in a gentrified neighborhood. Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:01

And they were like, we need to step it up.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:02

Yeah. We still have to serve frozen food that's fried, but we gotta make it look nicer. Right. And that's they're like get out there and get me a new look. And they cut it in like half. As if, dude, as if it wasn't small enough as it is. Dude, it was like, it's like the size of a six by ten bathroom before, and now it's like a now it's like a three by ten bathroom.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:22

Dude, it's so crazy to think about Bloomfield Ave though. Like, dude, it dies today, the red cord, right, Barrier Dead, through the eyes of the dead, like Death Before Dishonored, Shattered Rome. I mean, like, you Evergreen Terrace, everybody came through that spot.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:37

Yeah, dude, look at fucking Eminem Hall, dude. Like Kill Switch Engage. That's what I mean. Dillinger Escape Plan, Poison the Well, from the city.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:43

Dillinger Escape Plan played fucking basements in this state.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:46

Oh, they were always and they were always down, you know, like and and remember first time saw that band, it just blew my mind. Yeah, well, like, and at that time, dude. Be like, I think it was play with Dimitri, dude. That dude just made it.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:59

I would Dillinger Escape Plan front flip into the crowd.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:01

Just like completely that dude in the front, man, he didn't have to do much. He just had that look that like made you realize that he he was feeling the shit he was singing about.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:12

And you know what the craziest part was is that like I feel like they were one of the people to kick off like that style of like they got on stage, they looked like they worked at Abercrombie and Fitch. And ruined everything, but they were psychotic.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:25

Oh, nuts, dude.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:26

Like similar, I was actually fucking busting Eric's balls from Forgetting Tomorrow the other day at Maggie's. I was saying, you know, I was like talking to a young kid that was talking to Eric, and I was like, what you don't know about this guy is that he was one of the best dressed turtleneck wearing fucking freaks to have ever existed, and then he hit you with his mosh calls.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:46

Dude, I and I remember seeing them for their first time, like before I knew Eric. Dude had a sweater, and like I'd be like, yo, who the fuck is this? And then I was like, whoa, whoa, what the fuck? And like Eric always loved, like Eric always loved doing it too. And they all dressed nice. Yes, they do. Everybody in the band would show up dressed nice with sweaters, dude look like they just got out of a corporate job.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:09

100%.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:10

And then they would literally level a fucking building. In and yeah, dude, the mosh calls were absolutely next level, completely irrational, disrespectful, and didn't give a fuck. Yep. And uh to this day, still great dudes. Eric's Eric's fucking awesome. Forgetting tomorrow is actually playing. Uh they're doing a uh Brooklyn show. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:34

Yeah, uh that's awesome. I fucking uh I worked with Austin for years at Starland.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:39

Right, another good dude, been around forever. Yep, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:42

Wasn't Shattered Realm. Fucking dude, he's a journeyman, man.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:45

Yeah, yeah. He's uh uh I think uh I thought Blackest Dawn was playing that, but Blackest Dawn's got some shit coming up in Jersey, too.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:52

Another fucking Yeah, they're playing that fucking Stang with Sugar Bob show, which is insane.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:56

That's fucking sick. Yeah, at Black Box.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:58

Yeah, that's great. And I mean, you know, like I put out their fucking last thing, and dude, to be honest with you, like having them in the studio and being able to work with them was one of the coolest experiences. Just dude, just fucking. I just love Al's, like he doesn't even realize how influential of a drummer he is, right? And that was one of the coolest experiences ever. And like, I hope he doesn't get mad at me for telling the story, but like he's in here and he's playing, and like he's he's doing, he's doing some stuff, and like we had like a conversation. I was like, dude, just just do the shadow rump, like do the Al thing. Like, they want you to do that tom fill stop and then hit the bell. That's what we want from you, right? Like, and he was just like, you know, like at the like clicked in his head, like, yeah, you're fucking right. Like, that's what I do. And I'm like, fuck yeah, that's what you do.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:44

That's exactly what Al said too. I know for sure. He didn't say anything different.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:46

That was he looked at me, he's like, you know what, you got a fucking point. I'm gonna do that. And that's what he did. And it was like, Yeah, fuck yeah, I'm gonna do that. Yeah, and it was like, dude, it was such a it was such a great experience. I mean, Frank was it was still in the band at the time, too, so like I got to hang out with him. So that was fucking cool. But like, yeah, doing I mean doing a record with them was was fucking awesome.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:03

And like all dudes did it, you know, they never went away. They were here the whole time. A hundred years. You know what I mean? Like, you know, I obviously uh lives got busy, you know. Chris has kids, Al has kids. Right, Alex lives further away.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:14

Um we all go our separate ways, but we all come back to the thing we were doing.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:18

It didn't stop them from coming out for the stuff they really, you know, no. When they really had to come out, they still came out, you know what I mean? Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:26

But uh Dude playing that fucking uh playing that show with them uh last year's This is Hardcore, being able to have like I I knew Oh, that was awesome.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:34

I was mad that I wasn't able to get to that.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:35

I never ex thought I would experience like playing with Alex because like I I I attribute a lot of what happened like in the band in terms of the writing to Alex. You know what I mean? I mean he's that dude him and Chris were probably responsible for a lot of the stuff that people really love.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:50

Yeah, which is as crazy too, like nobody like envisions Chris as sitting down with a guitar, but he was sitting down with a guitar and putting stuff together. 100% it's it's even now, like, even seeing pictures of Chris with a guitar, people still don't like think about it afterwards because you just don't see Chris with a guitar. Right. You know, but he did. Yeah. It's kind of like it's crazy, like I'll sit down on the guitar and write stuff, but that's all I do. Yeah, you know what I mean? Like Chris actually played like in the band.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:16

Well, what's another thing that's wild is like I've always played guitar. Right. And then when I played guitar for Shattered Realm and I started to get up there on stage again, kids were like, I didn't know that you played guitar. And that to me did it was just like it was so wild. Like, dude, I'm not a singer. I just sang for this band. You know what I mean? Like, I've been a guitar player since I was fucking 13 years old, a drummer before that. So, like, it was like a crazy experience for me to like get up there and play guitar and and have people see that shit, you know? It was a little bittersweet, I'm not gonna lie, because like it, I I being able to be in Shattered Realm is fucking awesome, and I absolutely love it. But like to have your spent cold do a reunion and then to like be able to sort of flirt with being involved with it, and then like realize like how many bands am I gonna be in? Right, like, dude, there is a huge piece of me that's very bummed that I did not get to be involved in that shit.

SPEAKER_01 1:45:11

Dude, it was so it was so funny too because I knew you were so busy, and I'm like, I don't want to text him this. I want to talk to him. I'd rather do it in person and just talk about it. And I'm like, yo, there's no fucking way I'm gonna get this dude, has got like 35 like business ventures. He's got 150 band projects he's doing like the next day it would be like announcing another one, and I'm like, yo, I think I'm gonna have to text him, and I hate that. Like, I'm not a text, like I wanna like it.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:41

Dude, right as right as that conversation's happening, too, like right as that conversation's happening about me like thinking about doing it, I'm pretty sure I told you like, yeah, I'm doing it, right? And then eTown plays in Jersey, and Josh and me decide we're gonna have a meeting, and he pulls me aside in the basement and he's like talking about signing Bayway. And I'm like, fuck. You know what I mean? Like, I right Bayway to Trust Kill was not something I was envisioning. Right, right. Every of my bands to Truskill is not something I'm envisioning. Right. So, like now I'm like sitting there thinking to myself, and like I'm attributing it, and I say this all the time, and I use this, it's like a dated phrase because a lot of people never experience this, but like, this is like when you light a cigarette at the diner and then your food comes. You know what I mean? Right. It's like when you get a girlfriend and that chick that you were talking to like a year ago, when she now wants to, you know what I mean? Right, right. She now wants to call you. It's like, it was like that. It was like all these crazy things were happening at once for me, and like I was grateful and I was thankful, but like it was just like, man, like how do I and feasibly I could not make it work, otherwise I would have. But I knew that you wanted to do the band more than just one show, yeah. And I knew I couldn't commit to it the way that I wanted to commit to it.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:55

Right, right.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:56

And that was, you know, and that was like that was the thing, like especially because I'm like, damn, I just really started liking Frank too, and I'm like, I know I can be in a band with this dude. I was like, Oh yeah, dude.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:05

I mean, same, you know, same kind of personality, you know what I mean? Like, just a great guy. Just a great guy. We just have fun, but yeah, I mean shit, dude, you know, like it is what it is, dude. Like, shit, people get busy with shit. You know, there's times where I'm like, oh dude, I can't wait to do this. That somebody's like, hey, do you want do you want this? It's like, oh, yeah, I do. Of course. I was about to do this, but okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:29

You know, like even like now I'm just happy to see the band doing what it's doing, and like I say this in all honesty. Like, I just want to see you take it as far as literally you want to. I appreciate it, dude. Wherever you want to take it, that's where I want it to go.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:44

We uh we you know, we have full intention on um we're all in agreement that you know we want to do Europe, UK stuff. Um, we're all in agreement, you know, uh, if we can, you know, we want to do stuff out in Asia, you know. Um, uh we're uh we're kind of all down to do all the shit we didn't get to do, you know. Um we're not gonna be able to tour full time. We're not gonna be able to do 30-day tours. You know, we're gonna be able to do long weekends, four or five-day runs. Obviously, we go to Japan, it's gonna be longer, but yeah, just because of travel, but we're not gonna be able to do like full-on shit. Yeah. People have careers. I mean, I've got freedom to kind of use stuff really. Yeah, I mean, I can kind of do what I need to do, but like, you know, uh, people have kids, people have really good jobs. Um, but with that being said, like, dude, everybody's been really good. I mean, like, like I said, like, I don't look at myself as feeling like I did anything special because I have like the freedom to kind of move stuff around, but you know, everybody else.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:52

Yeah, for Steve to juggle his kids, his wife.

SPEAKER_01 1:48:54

Yeah, and I mean they're super, you know, like I know Frank's got the solid gig, you know what I mean? Yeah, it's uh it's been pretty reasonable with the you know, the people that we have, you know, Mike is drop of a hat pretty much, you know. Uh Nate, same way, you know, he just needs a little bit more of a heads up, but like everybody is like really good with, you know, just making stuff work. I mean, I think all of us being on the same page and kind of all of us agreeing on the same type of schedule and right, what's what's feasible, what's practical, right? I mean, obviously, like at this point, like it I'd be down to do whatever anybody wanted to do. If those dudes said, yo, you want to go out for 30 days, I'd probably do it, dude.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:41

I mean, like, it's just it's but that speaks to your passion and your love for the band.

SPEAKER_01 1:49:47

Oh, a hundred percent. Because at first there was like no chance in hell I would even like I'd be like, yeah, what uh that ain't gonna happen. But dude, it's like it's been so much fun, and like, dude, if we can go do stuff and like even if we're breaking even. Even. But I get to have fun for a month breaking even. That's cool. Yep. You know, like coming home with money to pay bills and stuff, that's cooler. Um, but you know, uh everything we've done in the band has kind of been like putting it back into the band. Right. You know what I mean? Like, we haven't really, it's not like we're making anything off of it. We're taking it, we're like reinvesting it and like And that's what you have to do to get any good business off the ground.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:22

Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? And like uh as much as people like like don't understand what like to an extent, it's a business, man. Like, you know, like if you don't take that merch money and reinvest it in more merch, you will show up at a show with no merch. Well, that's the other thing. It's a very simple concept.

SPEAKER_01 1:50:37

You know, like there's certain merch you do better on, and kids are gonna be bummed.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:40

Like, to your point, when you went out to the West Coast, you were like, Look, I made enough merch to make this work, right? Because like I have to fly here with it, et cetera, and so forth. I don't want to have to fly home. You were you were pissed though, because by the time you got to the secondary show, right, which I wouldn't even call it a secondary show because it was fucking insane, just as insane as Hellfest. You know what I mean? You had already sold out the day before.

SPEAKER_01 1:51:04

So it's like terrible, dude.

SPEAKER_02 1:51:06

I know because you want kids to be able to get the merch.

SPEAKER_01 1:51:08

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_02 1:51:09

I don't even Because you consider yourself to be a hardcore kid and you know that if you show up to see a band, you want to be able to get the shirt.

SPEAKER_01 1:51:16

I walk up to a table, there's nothing there.

SPEAKER_02 1:51:17

Like, I mean, for for the listener, my boy's got on his fucking all-out war shirt right now. You know what I mean? And if he went to the all-out war gig looking for that shirt, I'd be pissed. Yeah, goddamn right.

SPEAKER_01 1:51:28

I'd be pissed. You know, like, and that was the thing. I'm like, I'm saying, like, how the fuck can we do this? But at the same time, like, I want to stay true to what we said. We printed shirts for Hellfest, and I didn't want to give them to anybody else. It wasn't the type of thing where everybody else gets to order them now. No, it's it's not about that. It's not about making the money off of the shirts, it's about the people that came to those shows getting that experience should be the ones that get to buy them and only them. And that's why the way we did it was you come up to the table, we give you a code to the big cartel that only you can order from. Yep. And that's it. You know, like, and I think, you know, it worked well. I think a lot of people like to buy stuff on the spot, but like I said, I wasn't concerned about how much we could sell. I was concerned about the people that really wanted something, they could still get it.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:52:13

You know what I mean? Like that was the whole idea behind it.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:16

Yeah, because you didn't you didn't want to you didn't want to send a kid who was there to see you specifically. Right which, which, just so everybody knows, and this cat will not sit here and fucking and ring his own bell or toot his own fucking horn. But your spent cold had a massive all the way across the fucking uh parking lot line, okay? And I can tell you, because I was next to these motherfuckers, there was a line, and that line represented a lot of kids that had waited a long time to be able to see your band. And you wanted to make sure that they got what they came for. And that's that to me is awesome.

SPEAKER_01 1:52:49

You know, like, and that was that was the thing about that merch, and like, you know, we constantly get asked, are you gonna put stuff up? Yeah, we will. We'll 100% put stuff up, but you know, it's important to us that if you're participating in hardcore, you're rewarded by getting merch. Yeah, you know, there's gonna be certain things we put online, but it's online merch. You know, the two designs we have now, you can never get it unless you come to a show. Yeah. Like the we have two shirts, it's show only. You cannot buy it online, you'll never be able to buy it online unless somebody's reselling it. Yeah it's uh, you know, it's the moving heaven and hell cover with the end your life back. Yeah, and then we've got the use your retribution cover with the From Hell USA, New Jersey on the back. Those are show-only shirts, and that's it. If you want them, you have to come to the show and get them because you know, I think that there was a period of time where people just didn't go as much. They watched videos online, they ordered merch. That's cool, you're supporting the band, but also, you know what, man? Like, hardcore doesn't fucking keep running without you going to it.

SPEAKER_02 1:53:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:53:57

I would rather you come out, not buy any merch, and come to the show.

SPEAKER_02 1:54:00

Well, the other part of that is that like you're supporting one specific band, but you're not supporting a scene of bands, right? Because there's five to six bands on every show. Right. And you know, you might just make a friend, you might actually see an opening band that changes your life. Because that's what happened to me. You know what I mean? I I went to a show to see NJ Bloodline, I wound up getting introduced to Shattered Realm and for the love of crazy day. You know what I mean? But like, that's how it happens. You know, sometimes you go to the Year Spent Cold show and you see negative force for the first time, and then you are a negative force fan.

SPEAKER_01 1:54:35

By the way, everybody should be a negative force fan. I agree. For the quality of the fan.

SPEAKER_02 1:54:39

We're both on the record.

SPEAKER_01 1:54:40

Yeah. For the purpose of the dudes in the band and for the purpose of the band. Yes. And what they're doing for New Jersey hardcore. So you, you know, it it's uh, you know, and I said this when we played Florida. It's uh, you know, for any young kids coming up, you know, there's a lot of people that they don't really go to shows, they'll just go to a couple fests a year and that's it. And I I tried to explain to the people in Florida, like, the people that are at the shows, that are at hardcore shows all year, yeah, are who's important in hardcore. Yep. You're not contributing to hardcore by only going to fests.

SPEAKER_02 1:55:15

Nope.

SPEAKER_01 1:55:15

You're don't get me wrong, uh, that's cool. You get to go see all the bands you wanted to see. But you know what? Those fests can't be good if people aren't going to those shows to support those bands that are gonna be on that fest.

SPEAKER_02 1:55:29

And to your point, if you're not going to support your local promoter, then you're not giving other bands the opportunity to A, build a name to be able to play a fest, or B, you're not giving bands the ability to tour around and build a fan base to appeal to a fest. Right? You know, I mean, like, so it's like if you go to your local spot and you're promo and you're there for your local promoter when it's a local show, right? And you're paying the $10 to get in and he's now able to do more shows, like that's how the shit works, right? Like we just talked about it with merch, right? Like you sell a thousand dollars worth of merch, you now have a thousand dollars of more merch. Right. You know what I mean? Like 100%. You you don't put that money in your back pocket and say, I have a thousand dollars now. You buy more moving to hell merch, you know, moving heaven to hell merch so that kids can get it at your next show.

SPEAKER_01 1:56:19

Like that's how it works. I I just I think a lot of it.

SPEAKER_02 1:56:22

It's a reinvestment into hardcore.

SPEAKER_01 1:56:24

You just don't understand, you know, like uh we're at a point in time where every every state and every part of the country wants to make one fest a year in their state.

SPEAKER_02 1:56:34

Sure.

SPEAKER_01 1:56:34

And it's like that's cool, but you know, it's a lot. It's it's you're you're taking away the the exclusivity of, you know, whereas when there was less fests, the fests were way crazier, they were able to do crazier lineups. It's it's at a point now where it's just there's so much of it that it it affects the regular shows because you know, if if every state is gonna have a fest, or some states are having multiple fests, yes, and they're just they're not even really fests, they're just they wanted to put way too many bands on a show, so it turns into a fest, quote unquote. Yes. And then you know what? People are like, ah, fuck it. I probably will go to those other two or three shows because I'll be able to see those bands on a fest at the other side of the country. Well, you know, that doesn't fucking help your scene. Yeah, you know, like, and then other places just fall on the shitter because somebody else just only wants to see bands on a show that has 30 bands.

SPEAKER_02 1:57:35

Yeah, you know, and then that's the thing, like too, and and to the point about Haywire, and we experienced it a lot when we did the like the full US. We would show up in places like a St. Louis as a perfect example, and kids were like, only Bayway and only Haywire have come here. That's the only bands that have come here to play. And like, they're fuck like I think bands need to experience this. Like, and if you haven't experienced it, like and you're listening and you are in a band, like go to these places because like there's no better kids to play for than the kids that don't get the shows, don't get the fest, don't get because you you don't understand the type of person that like you are you're creating a bond with a person that is lifelong, man. Like, like these kids don't get to have that shit all the time. Like, we're so fucking spoiled being from New Jersey, getting everything, and and going to New York or whatever to be able to see it, or to Philly. Like, when you live to your point, in in fucking Idaho, you're not getting everything, man. Nah, dude, and you know, for a while So you appreciate when Death Before Dishonored comes through.

SPEAKER_01 1:58:45

Dude, for a while we didn't get shit. And then with Ingro growing and those guys being involved in the world. Shout out to Ingram, man. Yeah, Ingram. Solid dudes. The great bands. And then also, you know, the uh um the dudes from Witness Chamber had a lot to do with, you know, um getting bands out there. Yeah, you know, um, and you know, and they're also a big part of that scene, too.

SPEAKER_04 1:59:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:59:08

Um there's just a lot of dudes that are very involved in all that out there, and you know, at first there wasn't much, but as Ingram grew, like we got more tours coming through.

SPEAKER_03 1:59:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:59:18

And, you know, like tours would sell like shows would sell out on a weeknight, dude. Yeah. Like you go play the shredder, um, now they have you know the shrine basement, which is fucking wild because it's like dude, it's like it's like if you took this and just made it like twice as long but half as wide, like on soundplay down there, which is pretty fucking awesome that Unsound was just down to play like a they wanted to play like a hardcore show. Yeah, which is cool as shit. Like everyone, everyone came out. You know the dudes from down south, yeah, um, you know, all the dudes from Idaho Falls, uh uh Dayson and Justin Sweat, who were awesome, you know, uh awesome dudes from out there that were around forever. Um you know, all those dudes came up when we got to all kind of hang out and go see Unsound, a band that we all saw as well.

SPEAKER_02 2:00:05

In a fucking basement.

SPEAKER_01 2:00:06

Right, right. And it was sick, dude. It was uh, but like you said, it was few and far between at first. It got a little bit more as time went on, but still, it got skipped a lot, dude.

SPEAKER_02 2:00:15

And those kids appreciated it when bands came through. It means the world.

SPEAKER_01 2:00:19

They showed up weeknights, dude. Of course, you know, and like you'd see on a on a tour like Salt Lake City, off day, and then Portland. You literally have to drive through fucking Boise to get to Portland. I know. So it's dumb to not even take a door deal, you know, in that especially the shredder. What a cool venue, dude. Just a cool fucking venue. It's ran by metal dudes, you know, there's no fucking bouncers, there's never any problems. Right. There's a skate, there's a fucking uh mini ramp in the back. Yeah, just a vibe. It's just a fucking cool spot. It's called the Shredder, dude. Yeah, right. How do you not like it? It can't be bad. No, and dude, when I tell you the place is designed to jump off and be in a hardcore show, dude, there's like PA speakers that you purposely can jump off. Right. There's like scaffolding that like is made to not fall apart when you hang on it. Right. Nobody yells at you.

SPEAKER_02 2:01:10

Yeah, it's like go it's like going to a fucking uh like a gymnasium.

SPEAKER_01 2:01:14

Yeah, you know it's fucking awesome, dude. You know, like and uh it's uh it it says a lot, you know. Back in the day, dude, St. Louis was fucking sick, dude. It was one of our favorite places to play. And then I still talk to all those dudes out there, um, you know, the hit list dudes, um just so many good people out in uh St. Louis, but stuff doesn't come through. And even they said they're like, you know, everybody was kind of excited about Haywire because who doesn't enjoy the fun of Haywire? Right, but it's also in your towns, so that's the thing though, man.

SPEAKER_02 2:01:49

Like they're not unafraid to go play the hundred cap venue wherever.

SPEAKER_01 2:01:52

And that's what's building it though. Right. You know, like look, I'm not gonna sit here and say I'm the guy building it because I'm not. You know, like we know our time is limited, so we're trying to specifically.

SPEAKER_02 2:02:02

Yeah, you gotta hit you gotta hit stuff that you gotta hit. Right. But that's that's not the that's not even the point. The point is, is that like that's what's building it, dude. And that's what and that's what bands need to be able to do. You can't you can't just have this, you know, this mentality of like, and and I get it, man. I get wanting to gather like a big thing and doing it for your scene, and I I love it. I love that too, but like you've gotta be able to support the local thing. Right. And like when we just did this Shadow Realm, Death of Force Honor Bayway thing, we were we were on purpose. We when we booked it, we said we did not want to play any of the bigger rooms, no bigger caps. Right. And the whole idea was like get us into the skate parks, get us into the you know, the weird little factories and shit, like get us into those rooms. And you know, a lot of them were sold out, tons of kids were coming. But it was fun, and it was fun.

SPEAKER_01 2:02:55

That's what fucking matters.

SPEAKER_02 2:02:57

It was fun, and kids had fun, and they and I'm sure, I'm sure that, and this is the most important thing. I'm sure that after that tour, right, kids started bands. Right. You know what I mean? And that's what we need, man. Like, people jokingly say it all the time, like start a band, put on a show, or whatever, but like for real though, like start a band, put on a show.

SPEAKER_01 2:03:16

You know, like like uh another perfect example is what Vile Mind is doing in West Virginia. Yes. Like, dude, taking a scene that had nothing and playing shows to hardly anyone until people kept coming. Yes, dude, that sucks and that's rough to do, but they did it.

SPEAKER_03 2:03:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:03:34

And they're great dudes.

SPEAKER_02 2:03:35

Yeah, dude, talk about like We we dude, we've done West Virginia a bunch of times with fucking fantastic.

SPEAKER_01 2:03:40

Absolute, just fucking phenomenal, awesome people. Yep. You know, uh we I love West Virginia personally. I do too, dude.

SPEAKER_02 2:03:47

Yeah, I love I had never, I think I like went once as a child, you know what I mean, for some weird thing. And I had never really been there. And then Baywei went through there once, and then Shattered Rome went through there, and then we did it together. And like, some of the best people, like, shout out to pepperoni rolls, bro. I don't know if anybody knows what those are, but like pepperoni rolls are like their thing out there because apparently it's like what the miners used to take in for lunch. And like man, every time we go there, they buy us like a fucking tray of them, and I wound up, you know, I'm fucking there's no way to not gain three or four pounds eating fucking pepperoni rolls. You know what I'm saying? As an Italian man.

SPEAKER_01 2:04:23

You know, there was a time where we would schedule a date at the beginning of the tour at uh yesterday's in West Virginia, yeah. And we would also schedule a date at the end of the tour for yesterdays in Willie, West Virginia, because we love Chuck so much, but we love that venue so much, and just the shit that would happen. Dude, you're talking about a guy who owned a bar and was like, I'm gonna encourage everyone to do the things that no owner wants you to do at a bar. You know, he fucking knew what he was doing. He would give us an open bar, and then he would put three-quarter inch plywood behind the sheetrock and tell you that you can't break holes in the wall. You know? And he would laugh his ass off and be like, watch this, dude. You know, because like Chris drank, and now he's gonna try and punch the wall, and he's not gonna feel anything, and he's gonna break his hands and wake up with broken hands the next day. You know, I mean, we played there a bunch with full-blown chaos and us and um vow of hatred and uh uh Ziggy uh objection, I think was the band that he was doing at the time. Um, but dude, Chuck would have like he'd throw a Thanksgiving show. There would be mashed potato wrestling upstairs. That's insane. Like, dude, he would invite like homeless people in and just let them party with us. Like, dude, this it was insane. You didn't know what the fuck you were gonna get there.

SPEAKER_02 2:05:51

It sounds like a fucking great time, but it sounds very West Virginian. It's a lawless brand. Like, they don't give a fuck, dude. We did a Thanksgiving show there too, and the dude, shout out to Tom, West Virginia. Um he just catered it with like a massive Thanksgiving dinner. That's fucking awesome. And like everybody just ate and like dude didn't ask for a fucking dime. He didn't give a fuck. He just like literally like he got off a tour with like three other bands and then just wanted to feed everybody that comes to his show. That's fucking awesome. And it's just like that's what I'm talking about, man. Like, that's and but that's the stuff that you experience when you start going to these like scenes that you don't you don't hear West Virginia, and you know what I mean? Like, you're not hearing about a ton of shows there, but like they're there, and just so you know, for bands that are touring, do not skip over a West Virginia.

SPEAKER_01 2:06:43

Don't skip over West Virginia. There's a lot of shit going on in a lot of places. Like, I from what I hear, like Alabama's popping right now.

SPEAKER_02 2:06:49

Alabama's crazy. You know, Nashville is insane.

SPEAKER_01 2:06:52

That's what I heard. Nashville's insane. And these are all places that I like as places, yes, but you know, it wasn't always good.

SPEAKER_02 2:07:00

And it's like Dude, we've had some really great shows. Like I a lot of people told us, like, uh, um, you know, if you're gonna go to uh if you're gonna go to Louisiana, you have to go to Baton Rouge. And we've always done New Orleans and it's always been crazy. And like what's wild as fuck is like New Orleans is like, you know, like it's all service workers. Right. So they start their fucking shows like 9 15.

SPEAKER_01 2:07:23

Oh, so that's fucking too much for me.

SPEAKER_02 2:07:24

Dude, it's insane because you you're you're sitting there from 7 o'clock on and you're like no one's showing up, and then by 10 15 you have like this entire back parking lot full of people ready to go crazy.

SPEAKER_01 2:07:35

1015, dude. I need to be showered and like winding down today. Tell me about it, bro. I need to be winding down.

SPEAKER_02 2:07:41

I got I got like a nice green tea going, bro. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 2:07:44

Green tea. You have green tea going. I'm putting a full scoop of pre-workout in.

SPEAKER_02 2:07:50

Yeah, by the way, Your Spend Cold's got the pre-workout. Shout out to Yurispen Cold with the wild packaging on the pre-workout as well.

SPEAKER_01 2:07:58

Yeah, we uh us in Holo Labs, um, Alan over at Holo Labs, super fucking awesome dude. Um, puts out a really good product and is a local uh Jersey guy. Um he actually um he does a lot for the community for um addiction and stuff. Um super, super solid dude. Um, very busy. So, you know, when he does get the opportunity, we do get to go back and forth. Um we usually we gotta get everything figured out because I forget too.

SPEAKER_03 2:08:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:08:30

So like, you know, obviously the the uh we have the pre-workout. Um we will have tubs coming out where you'll order directly from them. Um, you know, so cool though. The the goal isn't necessarily for uh anybody to really make anything on this. The goal was that it's ridiculous. Uh yeah, we we're a hardcore band. We always did this thing where like we would bring pre-workout and give it to people, and I was like, ah, it'd be cool if we just did our own. And then I was like, ah, be you know, like Mike is the one that actually hooked it up because Mike's friends is that dude Allen.

SPEAKER_03 2:09:01

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 2:09:02

And um, so he hooked it up, we talked, and I was like, hey, here's the goal. Like, we just want a solid pre-workout. We can't, the thing is, like, you know, I can't straight up like put PCP in a tub um and give it to people because some nobody will buy it. You know? And the people that do buy it. Yeah, they're only gonna buy it once. They're only gonna buy it once before they get before they get locked. So, you know, like the no, the reality was like, we had to make it at a dosage that like it was gonna do what it needed to do, but it can't be overboard. So what I would say is, you know, uh one packet is gonna make you feel real fucking awesome, and it's you know, it's gonna give you a little bit more endurance. Um, you're gonna feel better, you're gonna mosh way harder. Yeah. And uh, you know, increases moshability by algebra. This is the whole idea, dude. Right. Just read the directions on the back. It tells you what to do. Right. Um, I wrote the directions. So, you know, if you uh if you're a high STEM guy and you're used to 400 milligrams caffeine, take two packets. Fuck it. That's exactly right, exactly. Just I didn't tell you to do it, like I just did. Right. Um exactly.

SPEAKER_02 2:10:09

No medical claims have been made on this podcast.

SPEAKER_01 2:10:11

Absolutely not. We have no idea what it'll do to you. The theories and events here have been totally fun. All I know is that I use it regularly and it's awesome. So um it will be up. Uh, you guys can check out Hollow Labs on Instagram or uh go check out their website, but we'll post it when it's up on there. I know a lot of people are asking uh for samples. The samples are free. You know, we're uh that's another perfect example, like uh Joe said, taking your money and reinvesting it. I mean, we're not gonna sit here and charge you for samples of a product that we're gonna be selling. Um we kind of just gave them out at Hellfest. Uh we gave them out at the other show. So stop by the booth. We'll have samples either way. We're not gonna stop giving out samples for free. Yeah. Um, you know, and we'll run it as long as we can. And it'll just be kind of something kind of cool to have that you're gonna have a tub of pre-workout that's gonna say just violence on it.

SPEAKER_02 2:10:59

And you gotta do exactly what I did, which is make sure that after you use it, you keep the packaging because the packaging is really fucking cool. It is super fucking ridiculous. I mean, a crazy idea. Like, your spent code, I think, has always had top-tier merch. Trying, you know what I mean? But like, this this was a ridiculous statement to have made. Like, when you put it in my hand, I was like, yeah, okay, you texted me about it, and I was like, that's funny, but like I didn't expect to be holding it, let alone taking it.

SPEAKER_01 2:11:27

You know what I mean? It was cool that Alan was like totally on board too, because I'm like, man, this guy's so busy. Why does he give a fuck about this? Right. The last thing that he needs is to deal with a bunch of assholes like us. Right. You know, I mean, like, you know, we handle the design part of it and everything. Um, but you know, if it wasn't for him, it's too much. I wasn't gonna just go to some like white label company and just get some bullshit. Yes. That's stupid. No. I wanted like real deal shit from the city.

SPEAKER_02 2:11:55

But the cool part about it is that it's like it's supporting a Jersey business, it's supporting a Jersey guy. And that's you're a Jersey guy through and through. And like, you know, that's that to me is what I love. I mean, especially as a dude that like uh runs his own business, understands the hardships of running your own business. It's like that's what we should be doing. Right. You know what I mean? And that's how like we should keep we should keep the money within our circle, is how I feel about it.

SPEAKER_01 2:12:18

Keeping the money within your circle is the idea. Yes. With design. Yes. You know, like obviously I think it's a pretty common thing. Like, if you use an AI, you're a fucking dork.

SPEAKER_04 2:12:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:12:28

If if your merch is, I mean, you're pretty much, you're just not gonna be a part of hardcore. Yeah. That's just how that works. You know, it's not hardcore. Yeah, it's hard. It's literally the exact opposite. No, the whole idea is that we're all giving, if we keep it all the same circle, everybody there's you know, there's there's there's a million bands. Yes, there's so much fucking opportunity to do design stuff. You know, uh, you paying $150 for a design is a fucking joke. You know, what's $150 for a design? You're selling fucking shirts for $30 at this point. Exactly. If you sell five shirts, you make your money back. 100%.

SPEAKER_02 2:12:59

It's like, dude, and you've supported somebody who supports you. Right.

SPEAKER_01 2:13:03

You know, and you know, you're at the show. So, you know, just have just have one of your designer guys do it, man. Right. Um, you know, uh like I was saying before, like, I'll be doing more shit.

SPEAKER_02 2:13:13

Uh cuts on the designs, bro. I'm telling you, we gotta get you, we gotta get you like a fucking, we gotta get you a name. Yeah, we gotta get you, we gotta get you a legit company name.

SPEAKER_01 2:13:21

The reality is, like, me and Steve collectively did almost all the old years.

SPEAKER_02 2:13:26

I tr I said that to Steve the other day. I said, you know, one of the craziest things that I experienced in my life was like when people started to find out that I was in your spent cold, they would always ask, right? And I still have the fuck your friends, fuck your family shirt. Right. And, you know, I'm I'm almost a hundred percent positive that Steve like ripped it from G Unit, and that was what it was. But it was I think that's I just you dude, I didn't even think about that to right now. I'm pretty sure that's what it was. And I remember going upstairs at his mom's house as we practiced in Steve's basement. Shout out to his parents, you know, and he had in his room, Steve had like a very small room. I remember like it was yesterday, computer right by a right by a window that overlooked the front of his house. And he was sitting there making this year spend cold dueling gock design, which was awesome, by the way. And I remember when we made them, people, it was very sought after. Yeah. And I remember Steve did it in his room, you overseeing it for approval, but it was a unit knockoff. Yeah. And that's what we did at the time. But that's what hardcore is, right? Yeah. That's hardcore.

SPEAKER_01 2:14:32

We taught ourselves how to literally, dude, yeah, and like we would design stuff. People would be like, dude, you can't fucking print this. It looks like a fucking, it literally looks like a fogged up window. Yes. And we're like, all right, jerk off. Well, how do you do it? It's got to be in this. So then we learned.

SPEAKER_02 2:14:46

Remember the shitty chainsaw jerseys that we had? Oh, yeah. I mean, we had some of the coolest stuff. None of it was, I wouldn't say it was quality, but it was quality.

SPEAKER_01 2:14:54

I found those. It was Pat Garrity. Pat Garrity got a hookup. RTF.

SPEAKER_02 2:14:58

RTF records.

SPEAKER_01 2:14:59

Fucking Pat Garretti got a hookup on WNBA jerseys. And I was mixed because I'm like, dude, like, I don't know, man. We can't print on these. Yeah, dude. Like, people are printing on these. People want champion. How the fuck are we gonna sell these, dude? It's like it's like we're like we're traders. Like, and then I'm like, ah, fuck it. And then I remember they were like pink and yellow and blue and maroon. We still got some, dude. I found I found like old ones in a Tupperware container cleaning out my dad's house.

SPEAKER_02 2:15:26

So is the ink still on them?

SPEAKER_01 2:15:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:15:28

Hell yeah. Yeah. Because we did those ourselves.

SPEAKER_01 2:15:30

I know we did. That's insane. Yeah. Just don't ever fucking wash them.

SPEAKER_02 2:15:33

No, ever.

SPEAKER_01 2:15:34

And that's literally what you used to tell people. Yeah, yeah. Don't want. We used to give it to be like, yo, don't do not watch them.

SPEAKER_02 2:15:38

You were very kind in that regard. You were like, look, man, I'm just gonna let you know. This thing's pretty cool, but if you're intending on like being in the rain with it, it's gone, dude.

SPEAKER_01 2:15:48

Yeah. This is a one-time wear thing. 100%. This is gonna be real cool.

SPEAKER_02 2:15:52

You're gonna look hard as fuck once.

SPEAKER_01 2:15:54

Yeah, don't wear it in the pool. No. Don't do stupid shit. Don't get wild with this fucking thing. Fridays only.

SPEAKER_02 2:15:58

You keep the fucking water away from it. Alright. Don't even sweat on it.

SPEAKER_01 2:16:01

Do we have those? And then we had uh the first sh the first like shirt we actually had done was uh it was the gray one, wasn't it? Yeah, it was the gray one with the fake bullet holes. So we did that one too, dude. Yeah, you know, like it was the worst design in the world, but we did it. Hard. You know, like because we were like, ah, fuck it. We needed to have shirts though. We also didn't have any money to like pay people to we were like we were like we have to learn how to design.

SPEAKER_02 2:16:25

Dude, I I think for a small portion of your spent cold, I'm almost a hundred percent positive. No, no, that I lived at East Brunswick Guitar Center. I'm pretty sure I lived in my truck behind East Brunswick Guitar Center.

SPEAKER_01 2:16:39

I remember there was definitely you were definitely living in that truck.

SPEAKER_02 2:16:42

Yes, I lived in the truck, and it was a crazy time. But your spent cold kept me going. You know, it did keep me going. Yeah, it kept me going. But let's let's end it here with this. Let's say this. What are the next what's next for your spent cold? Obviously there's Hellfest. Um, but what's what's what's next for Year Spent Cold? What's in your mind?

SPEAKER_01 2:17:05

We're uh we're kind of looking at doing some weekends.

SPEAKER_02 2:17:08

Um by the way, I'm thinking, and we'll talk about this uh off the podcast, but I'll say it on the podcast too. Fuck it. I'm looking to put together um, there's definitely three shows I'm trying to put together for October, Year Spent Cold Shattered Realm. Into it. That just kind of popped up in over the course of the last two days into my radar. And then also June, but we'll talk about that.

SPEAKER_01 2:17:30

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 2:17:32

Yes, I'm interested.

SPEAKER_01 2:17:33

The other guys just told me yes, too.

SPEAKER_02 2:17:34

Yes, everybody in the band said they could do it, they're all off of work. We uh so I mean when I'm booking shows, Greg's like, so uh I got this thing for Shattered Realm. I'm like, yes. He's like, you want to check with the other guys? I'm like, I did. Yeah, they're fine, they're here.

SPEAKER_01 2:17:50

Everyone's good. Yes, yes, yes, yes.

SPEAKER_02 2:17:54

Did you hear that? They all said yes.

SPEAKER_01 2:17:56

Yeah, I mean, uh, you know, we need to do the Pacific Northwest. That's yes, uh, that is a huge thing that I really want to hit. Um, you know, Texas.

SPEAKER_02 2:18:06

Um and anybody that's listening to this right now, feel free to reach out to the Year Spank Cold Instagram with these show offers. Because I know sometimes people like feel intimidated or you feel like you can't get something because a band is playing a show like Hellfest. But like, just so you're aware, I've known Cutz a long time. This is not the type of guy that you can't approach with something cool. If you approach him with something that's not cool, he'll probably still be pretty cool about it.

SPEAKER_01 2:18:32

Yeah, I mean, you everybody in the band is pretty approachable. Um, I mean, some of the dudes, you'll ask a question, they'll give you an answer, and then they'll like try and build a house for you, probably. Yeah, like directly after. You know, uh, you know, like dude, like Mike will probably like try and like knit you a sweater.

SPEAKER_02 2:18:47

Probably one of the nicest guys I've ever met.

SPEAKER_01 2:18:49

You could literally ask him like anything, and he'd be like, ah, cool, yeah. Well, do you need a house?

SPEAKER_02 2:18:55

Dude, he's he's one of the nicest guys I've ever met. Yeah, it's so we're looking, we're looking to book shows. That's what we're looking to do.

SPEAKER_01 2:19:01

Yeah, yeah. We're definitely gonna do some stuff. We've got some stuff in the works. Uh, we're gonna try and do it with uh some other bands to where like we kind of like have some stuff in the works.

SPEAKER_02 2:19:10

Um I would love to do, we've we've talked about doing the shattered realm year spent cold thing. I'd love to do the Bayway Year Spend Cold thing. Just tour in whatever capacity we can. I think it would be very, very cool.

SPEAKER_01 2:19:20

I think uh, I mean, dude, especially after how sick Hellfest was like full intention on getting out to California and actually doing all of California. Should 100% um, you know, New England, New England is a hundred percent just the whole thing of New England is something that we're gonna hit. Um we're strategically.

SPEAKER_02 2:19:43

I would love to see you guys do it with Death Before Dishonor, especially after finding out that Brian is the catalyst for making this happen.

SPEAKER_01 2:19:49

Yeah, I mean, we're I told Greg that a long time ago. Uh he's like, what do you think about it? Yeah, always. Uh I love Death Before Dishonored. And dude, the other thing is too, like every show out there, there is another band from the exact area where the show is at. Like um Sean Santa Cruz. Yeah, I'm sure everybody met him when he was out with Haywire. Uh has got a new band called My Hands Were Tied. Fucking awesome band, dude. Just like early 2000s style, like metal courish stuff. That's cool.

SPEAKER_02 2:20:16

Uh there's also bands like Risk out there, too, that are fucking awesome, hardworking dudes. Yeah, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 2:20:22

I mean, like Risk is another, you know, Risk is a good one.

SPEAKER_02 2:20:25

Also down to like set up a show and you know, does a lot for the scenes.

SPEAKER_01 2:20:29

Like those dudes play everything. Yeah. You know, um, they're doing uh This Saturday is a negative force record release. Uh Fire in the Blood, Risk, uh, another band, Fire in the Blood, just fucking awesome band. Um Fire in the Blood, Risk, the Fool's Game. I don't have the flyer in front of me right now, but long story short, you need to go to Cinco. There's also some.

SPEAKER_02 2:20:49

Yeah, if you're in Jersey, you gotta get down to Cinco. I wanted to go bad. We're playing with Recon, though. Shadow Rome and Recon, and I think it's in Troy.

SPEAKER_01 2:20:56

Yeah, that's gonna be a good one. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:20:58

That's a it's a cool ass show. Very, very excited that we got to ask.

SPEAKER_01 2:21:02

Yeah, you know, big shout out to Risk. Those dudes are uh, you know, they're all workers and they're all fucking playing regardless. They don't give a fuck. Maniacs. Um so I mean there's a lot of bands in these areas that you know, us and Death of Force Honor go, but then there's also bands like From Exactly Where We're Gonna Play if we do a weekend. We all want them to play. We're all on the same page. You know, uh Life's End. You know, I did a track on there. It's one of my favorite uh guest spots I've done. Um another awesome band.

SPEAKER_02 2:21:31

Um I think you guys should do Texas. That's my opinion.

SPEAKER_01 2:21:34

We're really into doing Texas.

SPEAKER_02 2:21:36

I think you guys would absolutely fucking absolutely annihilate the Texas. Yeah, we uh we really do. I'm gonna be down there next weekend, so I will talk with the people when I see them.

SPEAKER_01 2:21:44

Yeah. Let me let like I said, uh Texas, super into uh from what I've heard, uh Albuquerque's got a sick spot.

SPEAKER_02 2:21:52

Very cool.

SPEAKER_01 2:21:53

Um, you know, uh I've heard a lot uh Vegas.

SPEAKER_02 2:21:58

Arizona's very cool too.

SPEAKER_01 2:22:00

Arizona, yeah, that's that's Arizona's very cool. It's all stuff, all stuff we want to do, man.

SPEAKER_02 2:22:04

I mean, we're uh we're yeah, I mean you guys could fly out to Arizona, hit Arizona, hit Vegas, hit um a couple dates in in Cali and be back in five days pretty easy.

SPEAKER_01 2:22:14

Right, right Yeah, it's uh it's all stuff we want to do.

SPEAKER_02 2:22:18

Yeah, I mean I think I think you could cover a lot of ground being able to do the four-day thing like you guys are planning on doing. And like I look forward to you doing it because I think just the same way, like when I joined Shattered Realm, the reason that I did it, I also just look forward to you guys getting out there because I think there's so many kids that want to see the band. Sure. And like they should get the opportunity to do so. You know what I mean? And I think that that's what's important to you too. I mean, we already talked about it with the merch, and you wanting to just, you know, make sure that if a kid comes out to a show, they're gonna be able to get the thing they came for. And I do think that there's a ton of kids out there that like have had like either have heard the the year spent cold lore, which there's plenty of, you know, as you as you were a ridiculous maniac in your younger years and still pretty much are. But, you know, at the end of the day, I think that there's a ton of that. I think there's a ton of like really wanting to see the band and not only that, but like resurfacing with new music that kicks ass that people fucking absolutely love. Appreciate it. Is is you know, you gotta get out there and do it. You just gotta, man. Yeah, you gotta.

SPEAKER_01 2:23:17

Yeah, that's uh that's definitely the plan. We're all uh, like I said, we're open to whatever makes sense. Um Florida was sick. Yeah, you know, uh it looked it looked great. I mean, contention, fucking, you know. Love that band. Uh what a fucking awesome band.

SPEAKER_02 2:23:32

Probably one of my like actually like I would say high up on the list of like newer bands that like and I fuck all the dudes, I fucking love all the dudes. They're great people, man. We played with them when we went down and did Tampa too, and like they couldn't, their singer was like in Italy with his dad, and they still played with like a different guy. It was like very cool, like very, right, very much like super hardcore kids. Like they weren't they weren't gonna fuck us over by not playing, you know?

SPEAKER_01 2:23:58

3D deep dudes, awesome fucking dudes. Yeah, you know what I mean? Like just everybody that we play with, uh, you know, super important. Everybody going to Hellfest, get there early for Fallen God.

SPEAKER_03 2:24:09

Yeah. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 2:24:10

Jeffy, man. Yeah, he does a lot for that whole thing. Does a lot for that whole thing. You know, young dude that just fucking does awesome shows.

SPEAKER_02 2:24:17

Pours his heart into everything he does and really puts everything into it, man. Yeah. Yeah. Shout out to Jeff, man. Fallen God is it also And they're good. The band is good, right? That's the other thing, too. Like, this is not just like, oh, let's put on for him because he like, you know, he hooked us up with some shows. Like, band is fucking good. Yeah. Band kicks ass, dude kicks ass, his whole scene is fucking awesome. And, you know, he's responsible for building it, man. You know, he really is responsible for building it.

SPEAKER_01 2:24:42

Yeah, young, young ass dude, he had a die. I mean, they lost that really awesome Amvet spot.

SPEAKER_02 2:24:48

Yeah, yeah. I got I'm I'm lucky I got to play there with Bayway, and it was fucking crazy.

SPEAKER_01 2:24:52

Yeah, like set of eagle eyes.

SPEAKER_02 2:24:53

But when we came back down for uh when we came back down with with um with Shattered Realm, he had had a new spot and the spot was fucking awesome.

SPEAKER_01 2:25:01

Of course he did.

SPEAKER_02 2:25:02

Yeah, but that that's the point, right? Yeah, like he makes it happen. You know, he makes it happen.

SPEAKER_01 2:25:06

So yeah. Well, uh, yeah, dude. So that's the plan moving forward. I mean, we don't plan on uh we've no plans on stopping as of now. So, you know, we're gonna keep rolling with it. Um we just want to make sure whatever we roll with is full on a hundred percent.

SPEAKER_02 2:25:23

And when you're getting New Year's spent cold, it sounds to me like, and and from what I've always understood and known is that you're gonna get quality.

SPEAKER_00 2:25:29

Yeah, yeah. You're not just gonna be putting it out.

SPEAKER_02 2:25:31

You're not getting you're not getting a run-of-the-mill song that won't make cuts want a mosh. Yeah, so you're getting you're getting high quality shit. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 2:25:39

Yeah, it's you know, yeah, and to just like touch on something we said before, I mean, right now the lineup that we have is just it's so dialed. Everyone just is fully responsible, and you know, like they're just dialed at what they have, you know. It's also a different time. Man, equipment has come such a long way. You ain't lying, bro. I mean with the equipment those dudes have and like how hard they get down and dial in those guitar tones. It's insane, you know. Um, it's pretty wild, you know, what it's uh turned into. But with all that being said, it's made it so that we can do it.

SPEAKER_03 2:26:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:26:13

Because I mean, dude, how the fuck, you know, it would be really hard to be fucking taking cabinets and heads on planes and you know, um, it's it's kind of allowed bands to do a little bit more.

SPEAKER_02 2:26:24

So yeah, I mean my the the fly rigs that we have for Bayway and Shattered Realm are literally inside of small pelican cases that we can check. Like we don't even have to check the cases, we can bring them onto the plane. That's how small they are. That's how and they have everything in them. You know what I mean? So it's like you can go wherever the fuck you gotta go, like uh on earth, you know. We just went to Belgium with it.

SPEAKER_01 2:26:45

It's just so different. Um, and it's fucking awesome. You know, this is another example, like, yeah, technology fucks a lot of things up, but technology also makes stuff more readily available. Hardcore is happening in places that didn't happen before because people can now afford to do it. Yeah, you know, with a little bit extra investment, you can, you know, some of these bands. Um, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna throw them under the bus, but you know, some of these bands, they're like, well, we don't want to go to the new school thing with the Cortex. And I'm like, dude, you're doing yourself a dishonor by not doing it. You're paying more money for a fucking head, you're paying to ship it. It's heavier, it's pain in the ass. There's more problems. I'm like, dude, you do realize that like if anything, economically, you're better off with that. Dude. So like trying to like teach some of like even the younger bands, like, hey, it's worth just investing in this. You can't actually go do stuff because especially the newer bands, like, they're not they're not making as much to cover those trips. No. You gotta try and cut quarters as much as possible. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 2:27:48

You know, like I mean, most most experiences that you have, whether you if you're going to Europe or you're going to the UK, like you're excited if you've break if you've broke even. Sure. You know, like bands are not coming home with cash. Like, if you can, if you can get your plane tickets paid for and you can go over there and like I mean it's insane. You know, like we did, we did Europe in um in what was it? It was in December. And like, dude, uh I did not come home rich. You know what I mean? Exactly the opposite. But what I did come home rich in was experience. You got to see Europe. I my family members have never touched down in Europe. You know what I mean? I am the first person, and to have said that I did it because of hardcore is yeah, ridiculous. You didn't pay for it. No. Fuck no, dude.

SPEAKER_01 2:28:33

Yeah, you went there, you had places to stay, you had to.

SPEAKER_02 2:28:35

And I yelled motherfucker at everybody. That's why I was there.

SPEAKER_01 2:28:38

Right.

SPEAKER_02 2:28:38

That's stupid.

SPEAKER_01 2:28:40

It's it's uh it's good.

SPEAKER_02 2:28:42

It's hardcore.

SPEAKER_01 2:28:42

It's good. It is hardcore.

SPEAKER_02 2:28:44

We'll end it with that. We'll end it with that. You're spent cold in the motherfucking future, 2026. New music coming, new t-shirts, designed by Cutz, by the way. And hit these motherfuckers up and get them to a motherfucking town near you. They're ready to play the fucking shows, and obviously they don't give a fuck what size the room is. They'll come destroy whatever room that you guys have.

SPEAKER_01 2:29:06

You just can't watch from the outside.

SPEAKER_02 2:29:08

That's it. You have to come inside.

SPEAKER_01 2:29:10

Nobody's gonna get to watch. You got to watch it.

SPEAKER_02 2:29:12

And you ain't buying the fucking shirts unless you bring your house to the show.

SPEAKER_01 2:29:14

Yep, you got to. We'll put shirts online, but we're gonna write online shirts on the show. Right.

SPEAKER_02 2:29:18

And we're gonna know that you bought them. Yeah. People are gonna know. Yeah. They're gonna look, there'll be signs. Yeah. There'll be signs. Well, anyway, listen, man. I love you, brother. It's been many, many years of friendship, and thank you for doing this first one with me. Sounds good. I appreciate you.

unknown 2:29:34

Yep.