Relik: Runes and Sound Healing

Listen as I Connect with Relik about runes and how they are used in psychic sessions, cool stories on how they have surprised him and more. He also dives into sound healing and how it helps heal the soul! 

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

And welcome back to another episode of the Sedona Psychics. And today I have with me, I have Relic. Say hi to the people.

SPEAKER_01 0:08

Hey everybody.

SPEAKER_00 0:09

Relic, aka Mike. Uh, he also has many other roles in the center as well. He also does our concierge and horror photos and things like that. So you'll see him up front as well. But today we are going to dive in and what Relic really works the best with. It's like his niche with us. Um, and he really enjoys using these tools to help people on their path, help the healing, help you release things, and maybe even learn something new about yourself. You never know. So today we're gonna really dive into runes and also sound healing that uh Relic offers here at the center. He does also offer tarot and oracle, but you know, runes and sound healing are like his best friends. So, Relic, uh tell tell me, like, with the runes, like how would you explain to somebody who's never heard about runes? Like, in your own words, explain that for us.

SPEAKER_02 1:04

So, runes, like the simplest way to think about runes, they are an ancient writing system. So basically it's a very old alphabet that comes from the Nordic part of the world. So a lot of people think Vikings with runes, Vikings did use them as their written language. They predate Vikings by quite a bit. Um, and they also serve as a set of sacred symbols. So that's really usually more um what you're looking at when you're using them for divination and things like that.

SPEAKER_00 1:35

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:36

Um, but yeah, basically they're very old alphabet. It's the simplest way to think about them. Okay, so I guess in a way, maybe they're similar to tarot with like certain meanings with them, or yes, there's a lot of overlap between tarot and other divination systems in general. So tarot, for people that have really dug into tarot, tarot has a lot of foundations in the Kabbalah, and that is really again like another writing system that also kind of serves as a set of mystical knowledge. And Ogum is another one that is a divination system, but also a alphabet. Um, so I think there's a lot of overlap, and um, I think some of that has to do with the fact that like writing in general is magic, just in and of itself. Like think about what writing allowed humankind to do as far as passing on knowledge to future generations, that has been kind of instrumental in a lot of developments across uh different aspects of human nature. So yeah, I think there's a lot of magic just baked into writing in and of itself. But I think as you dig deeper into these systems, you start to see that there's even more kind of interwoven into them than you notice at first glance.

SPEAKER_00 3:00

Right. Okay. And and you've been with us for what, over two years?

SPEAKER_02 3:05

Yeah, three. No, I think it's going to be a few.

SPEAKER_00 3:07

Are we coming on three years?

SPEAKER_02 3:08

Yeah, I want to say it's three going on four, but I'll have to check that out.

SPEAKER_00 3:12

Okay. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 3:13

But I know it's it's coming up in May, so it's coming up next month.

SPEAKER_00 3:16

All right, all right. I mean, because I know when you first started working with us, like you just like knew the basics of a lot of things, and you know, you were just doing aura photos at the time until you were like ready to actually step into readings.

SPEAKER_01 3:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:30

Um so what shifted you onto the path of using runes and and things like that?

SPEAKER_02 3:37

Well, I think runes are something that I have been fascinated with for a long time, and I've used in my own personal spiritual practice. And I would say to be a hundred percent accurate, my initial fascination with them was more as a language. When I very first found runes, did I found a book that explained how to use them as a divination tool, but I was much more interested in being able to like write in them and also being able to like read things that had been written a long time ago in them. Because if you go back to like all of the old Norse sagas and runestones, and these are all like their inscriptions in runes, so you have to it's like you have to know the code before you can kind of decipher the messages that were written down. So I think for me it was like interesting from that perspective. And so I worked with it more as a language initially, and then after I kind of became familiar with the meanings of the symbols, then I I think that's when I started to see the potential and using it as like a tool for um looking within for self-knowledge and uh self-development. And so that again, it's something that I used for years and years myself in my own personal private spiritual practice before I was ever comfortable offering readings to other people. And um even when I was comfortable doing that, I think I was really only like it was like it had to be somebody close to me, it had to be a friend or family member for me to be like, you know, able to kind of step into that space. I think something about being here in Sedona and at the center really like propelled me into that next stage. And I think a lot of it's was spurred from like wanting to be able to help others more. It's like I saw that there was a lot of people coming in that had questions, and it's like I'd sort of understood some of what they were asking and how to explain, but I just I needed to like internalize the information better so that I could explain it in a more easy to understand way. So yeah, I think being here really like propelled me on that path. And I think in general, Dona showed me a lot of signs that like I was meant to be doing that. When I moved here, I don't know if I ever told you this start. So when I moved here, I left a lot of stuff in Tempe. Yeah, and then I had to go back and you know clean my storage unit out, and so of course I rented U-Haul truck, and U-Haul trucks always have like a random thing on the side of the truck, right?

SPEAKER_00 6:23

Right, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 6:23

And it's usually like a monument or some famous place or something.

SPEAKER_00 6:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 6:27

And so, of course, U-Haul trucks are randomly assigned, right? Um, so I go to pick my U-Haul truck up, and what's on the side of my U-Haul truck that I'm using to collect my things and come back to Sedona, but literally the Kensington runestone, which is, um, for those who are not familiar with it, it's a runestone that's here in America. And so this one's kind of controversial because some people don't want to believe that Vikings made it here before other groups of people. Um, but regardless of whether the Kensington runestone is legitimate or not, just the fact that there were runes all over the side of my truck that I'm using to move all my stuff to Sedan, it was like, okay, this is like I couldn't get any more of a giant flashing neon like green light sign.

SPEAKER_00 7:15

Yeah, there was like here. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:17

Um and I noticed that too when I got here, it was like, man, there's a lot of people doing terabs, a lot of people doing all the different things, but runes somehow were just kind of like absent.

SPEAKER_00 7:27

Yeah. Um not very available.

SPEAKER_02 7:30

Yeah, so I think in a way it's like spirit wanted me to bring that energy here to the space. And so yeah, I'm I'm very grateful that I get to kind of be the uh the bearer of the rune's knowledge. I think that's a really um that's a really cool thing. Um and um yeah, and I mean rune, they're just they're they're fascinating. If you dig into the old the Norse sagas that talk about how they were discovered, it's really it's it's um it was Odin kind of doing a deep inner journey. The story really goes that he sacrificed his eye and he impaled himself on his own spear and hung from the world tree for nine nights. And yeah, right, a pretty intense, um, a pretty intense process. And then through that, he was able to discover the the wisdom and the knowledge of the runes. And luckily, Odin decided to be generous and and bestow that wisdom and knowledge onto mankind. Runes are really like Odin's gift to mankind, you know, to help us be able to see beyond ourselves or look inside of ourselves for answers. So I really think the um it's you know, again, it's a great tool for self-knowledge and self-discovery. And reflection, I want to say. Yeah, reflection, right. And I and I also think, and again, I mean, I'm I'm the rune guy. Of course, I'm gonna be biased, but I think they're I think they're simpler to learn than tarot. I think runes are the one, there's less of them. Like there's only 24 runes in the Elder Fruit Dark alphabet. That's the one that's usually used for divination. So right out of the gate, you only have 24 things you have to remember as opposed to 78 cards in tarot. Right. So it's simpler from that standpoint, but I also think there is in some ways like more Western iconography baked into runes and their symbolism than some other divination tools that have evolved in other cultures that have like other symbolism that people from the Western world may not be as familiar with. So I think there's something that speaks to us in a very deep way when we start interacting with runes. Um I love tarot too. There's nothing wrong with tarot, but I think runes to me are simpler and easier to learn than we is.

SPEAKER_00 9:54

Right now, let me ask you this. So, you know how some readers like with Tarot, excuse me, like with Tarot, once they learn, you know, the basic, you know, what each card means, there's over time, you know, especially for me too, I don't always use the exact meaning of that card. Maybe there's something else coming up that's not the exact meaning, but it's kind of along the same lines. Now, can you kind of do the same thing with runes too? Like bringing in different information besides what the actual meaning is of the rune itself.

SPEAKER_02 10:26

Yeah, definitely. There's I think about the runes as almost having like multiple levels to them, where there's usually like a very physical level of that energy, but then there's a lot of times a more spiritual aspect to that energy. Like a good example is the rune of the U tree, which is really a symbol for flexibility and adaptability. So, like in a real world practical way, it's your ability to just roll with the punches of life and go with the flow. The more spiritual part of it is the U tree is a symbol a lot of times for the world tree, and the world trees how in Norse mythology, that's kind of how they view the different realms of reality being connected. That's what connects Midgard, where we are here, like Earth Realm, to Asgard, where all the gods and the divine entities are. And so it's like in a practical physical sense, it's just flexibility. In a spiritual sense, it's like your ability to lean into those other parts of reality to talk to your guides and hear your ancestors. A lot of times when I do castings, I'll use a cloth or a casting surface of some sort that has sections that are kind of designated. And so my like my tools learn like what part of the cloth they need to land on to get that message filtered through the more physical or the more spiritual like part of that message. So if you use runes in your own personal practice and you've gotten familiar with them, then I would say you can start incorporating some sort of layout where it designates either, you know, past, present, future, above, below, something like that. I can post some examples at some point on a social media or something. But that just gives you like another kind of lens to filter the the message through. So I think that can help a lot. Um, there's a classic one that is used in runes a lot, that's like the nine realms from Norse mythology. So that's a that's a cool one that I use quite a bit. And then um you can also draw them. Like I usually do casting, so I I will it's it, you know, it's like throwing Yahtzee dice or something. You know, you shake them up, you throw them onto the table, you let them fall where they want to, basically. And that's that's part of where Spirit gets to put their hand in and and help decide what message comes through. But you can also reach in the bag and pull one out if you are more drawn to do it that way. There's one of I think the cool things about runes too is there's like there's not really a right or wrong way to work with a set of runes for divination. We do have some historical records of how they did rune casting a long, long time ago. Like Tacitus was a, I think a Roman historian that wrote about a whole bunch of stuff, including like a Dingro about Jesus at one point. But he wrote, um, he wrote, I think it's just called Germania. He wrote a thing about the Germanic tribes and how he saw them doing this ritual of cutting a fruit-bearing tree branch up into small sections, carving symbols, and then casting them onto a white cloth as a way to assist in decision-making processes. And so that's rune casting, right? So some people take from that, like, oh, we're only supposed to use white cloths for the casting service, and some other things are kind of pieced out of that. You know, I think if you're drawn to follow those traditions, that's fine. I think you also have to realize again, Tacitus was like a Roman guy who wasn't really like he didn't have the highest opinion of traditions and rituals in the Germanic people, which by the way doesn't mean Germany. Germanic means like it was all of northern Europe, basically, back then. So it doesn't mean like the country Germany that confuses people. So um, but yeah, so we do again, we have like some historical record of how they did that, but mostly you kind of have to piece it together yourself. You know, there's people like me that have, I think, pretty established their own system and method so you can stand on the shoulders of giants and figure, you know, use somebody else's method and then kind of tailor it to your own style. But with runes, I think it's also totally okay to like just let them teach you how to work with them. So there's not, you know, there's not like a right or wrong way to do runes.

SPEAKER_00 14:55

Yeah, so kind of along the same line of like, you know, any anytime we're doing readings for clients and we're like, if you really want to start stepping into spirituality, you know, do what feels right for you. And again, like a lot of the times, there's no right or wrong way to do things, but also with certain, you know, backgrounds with religion and you know, certain things, there's you know, a line of respect that you almost want to have for certain things. But I feel like pretty much, you know, for the most part, runes are like anything else spiritual, you know, do what works best for you and cast how you want to cast, have a mat, don't have a mat, you know, and then eventually down the road, maybe even, you know, assign different meanings to it, or everybody's different who sits down in front of you. You know what I mean? So every everyone's gonna be different. I also know you made your own room set, did you not?

SPEAKER_02 15:48

Um, that is one of the sets that I used most often, is actually one that I crafted myself. It was um made from a branch from a willow tree um that was a gift um from another one of the site based works here. So Jeffrey actually has a willow tree growing in his yard. And so he didn't know what I was gonna make with it, but he gave me a branch from that tree. Um, and he's like, I don't know, I'm just supposed to give you one of these. So I turned it into a set of runes, which I thought was really appropriate because the willow tree, if you look into the symbolism of the willow, it's very linked to intuition and that kind of energy. So seems very appropriate. And people are drawn to that set a lot. I usually have like four or five sets of runes out, and I'll let people pick which one they're drawn to the most. And that that's like probably one of the most common ones that people are drawn to. And then just to backtrack a little bit on the like different meanings for runes, you'll also notice this in books, guys. You'll notice like if you start reading books on runes, you'll notice that some authors will say a rune means one thing, some will say a rune means a totally opposite thing. If you want to get like as official to the source as you can, I would go ahead and and look up the rune poems. There are several of them. Usually the one that is the most commonly um used is the old English rune poem. So that it's what it sounds like. It's a poem, it's got like a short little stanzo for each rune. It will kind of give you a clue as to what the meaning of that rune is. Some of them are a little paradoxical, but that's part of the way that runes work too. Runes also tend to represent both sides of an energy. So they like they represent strength, but at the same time, they represent a lack of strength. So sometimes it's like just because the rune shows up, it doesn't necessarily mean the face value of what it is. You have to kind of look at what other runes are out, where it lands, all that stuff.

SPEAKER_00 17:46

Uh you gotta watch the story of the room.

SPEAKER_02 17:49

Yeah, and then again, different authors will say different stuff. Um, I probably I think I read Ralph Bloom's book first. I love his set of runes that comes of that book. I do not agree with all of his meanings and the things that he attributes to them. Uh yeah, I would say check out the old English rune poem if you want to really get to the source of what the runes mean, or just read different, like read a few different books and synthesize the meaning between the different authors because uh people will have different opinions.

SPEAKER_00 18:21

Right. Well, I have a few more questions about the runes, and then we're gonna kind of move on to the sound healing aspect of things. So, my first question is is like when you're doing a reading with runes, do they ever surprise you?

SPEAKER_02 18:32

Oh yes. A couple of the ones that jump out right away. I had a uh lady that wanted to know. So I don't I should preface this by saying, I don't do a lot of medium shit. I don't like offer that because I cannot guarantee it will come through. However, I was doing a just kind of regular brain reading, and at the end of it, um, the client asked if a certain person that she was connected to, uh, you know, if they could get a message from them. All right, let's let's give it a shot and see. And so I have a set of runes that are made from bones, and that tends to be the one that I lean on when I want to try to get into that energy. And so I threw a whole handful of runes out, and the only ones that landed face up were H and I, literally like right next to each other. It was just it was just that person saying hi from the other side. And she saw, and it the rune for H and I looked very similar to H and I in our alphabet. So it's like she knew right away. Yeah, it like I didn't have to explain that one. So that was that was pretty cool. I also had somebody recently that came in and I did a rune casting and it literally spelled her name, like we like in yeah, when that happened. So that one was interesting. Um, because I also do a lot of name interpretations, because again, runes are letters. So that's something that I always think is interesting in looking at people's names and what runes like what runes make the sounds of their name and kind of looking at what energies are in their name that way. So yeah, I thought that was really interesting that like her name was the message that Spirit wanted her to know. And that one was a lot of her tapping into her own power, so it made a lot of sense. So that's awesome. Um, so yeah, that's a couple of the ones where like they've blown my mind level of them surprised. But there's all sorts of other examples too. So it never ceases to amaze me the level of like just how almost seemingly like perfectly orchestrated those things. It's just yeah, the right, the right room, the right card, it always comes out. That is one thing I've learned probably more than anything else, is just to like trust trust the tools, trust the process, trust your guides. It this stuff works. If you set the stage and get in the right headspace and get out of your own way, it really does, it works.

SPEAKER_00 20:49

Yeah, I feel like I repeat myself quite a bit in in sessions, so I'm like, get out of your own way, guys. But hey, we're not perfect either. We got in our own way a lot, you know, doing it when we first really all started. So, my last question for you with the runes is it's almost kind of a two-parter. Um, what rune are you connected with right now? And then is there anything else that you feel our audience should know about runes?

SPEAKER_02 21:14

So I would say there's two runes I've been feeling very strongly connected to lately. One's one of the runes that I've always felt really connected to, which is the rune of the journey or Raico. And this is the letter R in runes, which my spiritual name is Relic. So it's right there at the beginning of my spirit name. In a lot of ways, this one is a reminder to embrace the moment. It's it's the root of the journey, it's not the rune of the destination. So it's really about embracing each step of the path along the way, not looking up at the top of the mountain and and wondering what it's going to feel like when you get up there. It's like, where am I at right now? Where where are my feet planted right now in this moment?

SPEAKER_00 21:57

Right.

SPEAKER_02 21:57

Um, so that that one. I get a lot of strength out of remembering that. So that one is important for me. And then the other one lately, I've been working with Thor's energy a lot. So I I love Thor as a um spirit guide. I think we we need a little bit of his energy in the world right now, right? Thor's energy represents removing of obstacles, removing of energies that no longer belong, and resetting things back to a point where we can come back into balance. And so I think the world needs a little bit of that right now. So I've been asking him for help a lot and trying to send some positive energy out and clear some things away that you know we all don't need collectively anymore. No. Um and again, it's all with the intent of making space and allowing more positive energy to come in. The other thing that I think that's cool to know about runes, which a lot of times people may not realize, runes can be used as a very powerful tool for manifesting. So runes are great for divination. If you want to use them like the same way you use tarot cards or something like that, they're fantastic for that. However, they're also phenomenal at inviting a certain energy into our life or into our field. So they can kind of be used like a magnet to pull a certain energy in. You need some more strength, there's a room for that. You need some more wealth, there's a room for that, right? So and you don't always have to just work with one at a time. You can even get into working with bind runes, which is combining multiple symbols into one to kind of weave those energies together. The common one that everybody's already familiar with is right at the top of your phone notification uh thing is the Bluetooth symbol. That is a bind rune, guys. A lot of people don't realize that. That is the it's a this is younger footh arc, so this is like the later alphabet that the Vikings would have been using, but still runes, and it's basically it's the rune H and the rune B combined together, um, which is supposed to stand for Harold Bluetooth, which is like some Danish king that united, I think, Mark and Norway or something like that. And so the guy that made uh Bluetooth must have been a Norwegian history buff or something. And I remember reading that they weren't even gonna keep that name. They were that was like the in-development name, but I don't know, for some reason it got cut.

SPEAKER_01 24:28

So now everybody's got a binder in. You got a little bit of magic right there at the top of your phone, people.

SPEAKER_00 24:34

So um, I love that. Yeah, I love that. See, guys, you learn something new every day. Every day. Um, so we're gonna we're gonna move on now to the sound healing uh that you do. Um, you've also done this at Airbnbs as well. You've done like um, oh my gosh. Wow, where's my words? You've done sound circles, sound shower. Sound baths. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_02 24:57

Well, the sound showers would be kind of cool.

SPEAKER_00 24:59

I mean, yeah, well, I mean showering the sound away. Okay, new marketing tactic, guys. Um, anyways, um, can you kind of explain to the audience uh and our listeners what is sound healing for you?

SPEAKER_02 25:15

So I think the interesting thing about sound healing is it's really not, I don't really even think about it as me that's necessarily doing the healing. It's like when you're when you're sound healing, a lot of a lot of times I think about it more as like my job is to set the stage and allow the right environment for the healing to happen. I think we live in a society nowadays where like everything is so go, go, go fast paced. Like people just don't take a moment to slow down. So sound has a profound way of just getting us out of our like monkey mind and just kind of bringing us into the present moment. Um, and I think there's really something powerful in that. And I think it's interesting that our society mostly uses sound and music as a form of entertainment, but I think there is a lot of opportunity to use it as um as a tool for healing. And really, it's just something that I think it again, it just creates the right environment, it sets the right stage. It allows the client to relax into a state where they can just naturally heal themselves and come back in balance. So that's that's the really cool thing for me about sound healing, is it's like I'm almost more a witness to the healing than the actual like healer that's doing the work in a way. So it's it's a very um, it's a it's a really cool thing to get to witness. I've it again, it it's another one of those things where I've gotten a lot of personal um I've gotten a lot personally out of working with sound as a tool for my own healing. And so I think that's kind of where it spawned from. It's like I got so much out of it, I want to be able to offer this to other people and show other people what you know what they're what they're capable of and what can happen when you just are able to get into that very deep state of relaxation. And and I think that's that's really what uh what makes it happen. But yeah, I love I love sound tools. Um, I use crystal bowls and at Git Drew Do, probably like are my main two tools, but I have lots of other bells and whistles and things that I incorporate as I am called to do so. But yeah, sounds a sound's a phenomenal tool. If you haven't experienced sound as a healing tool, I would say you kind of owe it to yourself to explore that a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 27:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:41

Um, you know, you can come in somewhere like the center here, you can get an awesome uh session done in person. There's also a lot of recordings and stuff. So I mean, if you're not sure, if you're on the fence, look up a recording of somebody playing sound bolts. And it's not quite as impactful, just like you know, live music's better, right? In general. It's still a little kind of give you a little taste of it. Um that's something that we should we'll try to get like a clip at some point.

SPEAKER_00 28:07

Yeah, but yeah, definitely. And I don't know, maybe we already I I think I think I think we do have one like on our older like social media posts. Um, but yeah, we can get some new ones out there too. And I will say this from an outside perspective. You are still working your magic, you are holding space for those people to be able to relax and and do what they need to do as the sound bath is going on as well, too. And a lot of the times, too, like with the crystal balls that he uses, they are tuned to certain frequencies with your chakras. So it starts from the root and goes all the way up to the crown. So you're hitting like every aspect of that part, and I think what's really cool too is like it's almost like no sound math is ever the same because I feel like you almost intuitively play how it needs to play for each group or each person and things like that. So I feel like every single one that you do is different one way or another because you are intuitively feeling what that person needs, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 29:14

Yeah, I agree. I think that's that's where the sound healer is bringing the magic into the situation.

SPEAKER_00 29:20

Give yourself more credit.

SPEAKER_02 29:21

Right, right. And it and it is something where you're right, there is no like one set plan for sound baths. I'll have sort of an idea of what order I want to go in with certain instruments, but it usually it's kind of like that Mike Tyson thing, like everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face. Like it's just until you really get in there and you start, um you know, you start doing it, and then all of a sudden it just bear whispers in your ear, okay, no, you play this next. And you just, you know, I I listen. I don't ask questions at this point.

SPEAKER_00 29:51

Right. I I also feel too that if somebody really wanted to work on a specific part of them, they'd be like, hey, can you focus more on the heart or you know, the root and you know, things like that.

SPEAKER_02 30:01

Yeah, I will have people that will come in um with a specific intention in mind for sound session. So that does happen. Uh it's okay if you don't, like if you want to get a sound session done and you don't know exactly why, that's okay too. Um, you don't have to have a specific um request that you want to get out of it. But I have had people come in where they know, you know, what's kind of out of balance a little bit and they know what they want to focus on. And so I would encourage you if you feel more that way, yeah, share that with um whoever's doing your your session because they can kind of tailor it to that. Yeah, I think with sound, uh um it depends on the person too. Like some people really like I'll watch people when I'm doing it, and some people will relax more like in the lower tone, like you know, more root chakra, right? Yeah, deeper tone stuff. And then every once in a while I'll get somebody who like they don't really get into that same state until I start getting up into the higher notes, and like, oh getting up into third eye crown territory, and all of a sudden now that person probably drops into the oh, they found their they found their happy space, right?

SPEAKER_00 31:13

Right.

SPEAKER_02 31:13

So yeah, it does depend on the person too. So yeah, it's definitely like not there's no no two uh sessions for sound are the same.

SPEAKER_00 31:22

Right, right. Now, also too, because we are in Sedona. Do you feel that because we are here in Sedona, that sometimes maybe the sound sessions can get a little bit more intense, like not in a bad way, in a good way, of like the intensity of the energy happening during the sound bath?

SPEAKER_02 31:42

Yeah, I think sometimes, you know, and and probably not just even in sound baths, but I think sometimes in healing in general, when you're here in Sedona, like Sedona likes to help and get in the mix and lend a hand where she can. And so I have had moments like I had one where um I was doing one in Airbnb and they had a big balcony that was open, and it was a little bit stormy when we started. And then, like, right when I got into the part where I was doing some heavy drumming, like we started getting thunder. And so it was almost like it was like Sedona was joining in and like making some sound along with the drum. So, yeah, that there are some moments like that where you can tell the energy of the space and the land is kind of assisting the process. Um, and I I like to invite that stuff in. I mean, I also um work with chumpy stones, which are a Peruvian thing, which is really for connecting with land energy. Like in Peru, they're used to connect to the sacred mountains. There, I usually use them more to try to connect to like the vortex sites and draw energy in from certain places around town. And so I invite that energy in intentionally, but I think just being in here in Sedana, like you're gonna, you know, a little bit of that's gonna rub off on you in a good way no matter what.

SPEAKER_00 33:03

Right.

SPEAKER_02 33:03

Um without trying.

SPEAKER_00 33:05

Yeah, I love that. Um, so we're gonna kind of wrap this up here in the next minute or so. Do you feel like there's any like big misconceptions about you know sound healing or runes or or anything that you offer?

SPEAKER_02 33:23

I mean, I think with runes, just like tarot, I think sometimes there's misconceptions around them being inherently dark or negative in some way. I think that's all just leftover bad publicity that yeah, the the church cast onto them, for lack of a better way of putting it. That's just, you know, and anti-paganism stuff in general that's still kind of lingering. Other than that, I think, I mean, there are with runes, like there's always gonna be one camp of people that are like, oh, they're not magic at all, they're just letters, like like there's you know, there's no there's no sacred symbol, they're just they're A, B, C, D, E, F, G, right? And that's all they are. And again, to that, I go back to my argument of like, well, writing is magic, like in and of itself. So, like, right out of the gate, like, I'm sorry, no, that's a flawed argument. And uh, but and there's other reasons why I'm not gonna get into all that now, but there's there's definitely a lot of stuff that points towards there being more than meets the eye to those systems. So you're always gonna see some of that, and then there's things that are gonna be associated with certain groups. Um, like there's there's always gonna be unfortunately a correlation between some Nordic symbolism and like, you know, neo-Nazi hate groups and stuff like that. And to that, I just I say like just because somebody used a tool in a negative way doesn't make the tool a negative thing. Runes are just they're a tool, yes, there's negative groups that have latched onto them at some point for their own purposes.

SPEAKER_00 35:04

Um just like anything else, right? Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_02 35:08

So um, yeah, so again, I think it's like you trust your own individual experience with them, right? I would I would encourage people to explore working with them a little bit and and go off their own experience and what they feel rather than trusting what someone else is gonna say about them. And that's probably a good piece of advice for almost any spiritual tool. Rune's definitely included. Other than that, yeah, no, I just think that um they're um they're not as complicated as they may seem. I think a lot of times people are um people shy away from them because it seems very foreign language-y, and it's like, oh, I gotta learn this whole other language before I can even understand the tool that I'm working with. Again, I think it's a lot simpler than that. I mean, most, I would say probably 70 or 80 percent of the runes look just like our modern letters, they just are all straight lines. There's no like curved lines in um in in runes, or at least not in the elder food cart. So yeah, just don't, you know, don't don't be scared off by um needing to learn a little bit of something new. That's you know, we all um we all start out that place, right? You want to learn tarot. You want to learn tarot, you're gonna start looking things up in a guidebook when you first first start doing your own readings. That's that's okay. Um and um other than that, just know that like they do go beyond the like the symbol too. Like the the meaning of the rune is deeper than the lines that you write on a piece of paper to you know to stand for that energy. So um I would say if you start working with them for your own personal practices, consider doing like some meditations on the energies behind the symbol, if that makes sense. Um, and at some point I've got to do a room class too that's gonna be offered virtually somehow, because I've had people ask that. I can do them in person. So if you're here in Sedona and you want to pop in and do um some some room training, we can do that. Um, but I'm gonna put something together so that people can access it if they're not here in the local area. So that's coming at some point. Um, but yeah, I would say just explore um if you're drawn to, they're a great tool.

SPEAKER_00 37:32

Yeah. And then also you are holding a sound bath once a month as well. Too. I think right now you have it at the last Saturday of every month. But we'll we'll keep everything updated on the website, you guys, so you can always check it out. Um, but yeah, we're relic wants to be consistent with this, so he's gonna be having them once a month right now, every last Saturday of the month. Um, and I believe they're starting at like 6 30 and going until about like 6 30 to 7 30, maybe a little bit longer.

SPEAKER_02 38:03

Yeah, hour, hour and a half, somewhere in there. Yeah. Um, so yeah, definitely well well worth your time. Yeah. So if you're here in Sedona on the last weekend of the month, come check that out. Um and yeah, if we change the dates, we'll we'll post it online or something. But right now, last Saturday of the month, it's the it's the day. So yeah. Um, yeah, so come come uh check out a sound bath if you're here in Sedona. Um and uh come get a rune reading and just I don't know, just stop in and say hi if you like. Let's sit on our big cool crystal chair for a lot of me.

SPEAKER_00 38:37

Yeah, well, thank you so much, Relic, for having this conversation and sitting down with me today and and all of that. Um everybody, you can find Relic again on the Crystal Magic Psychic Center website um where you can uh choose to do a rune session with him or even some sound healing, or even both. You can do both if you really wanted to. And I think that would be a really cool experience as well. So, guys, as always, thank you so much for tuning in to the Sedona Psychics and stay magical, and we'll see you next time.