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It’s how much to have a behbeh?! 

In this week's episode of Sperm Sisters, we're following the money.

As three donor-conceived sisters, we investigate the rising cost of fertility treatment, IVF, and sperm donation in the UK, asking whether eye-watering clinic fees are pushing people towards finding donors on social media instead.

Oh, and Mandy’s back! We call Mum to hear what fertility treatment was really like in the 1980s. She gives us a bit of an eye opening biology lesson, it’s pretty insightful to be fair! 

And… introducing Sperm Sisters Mailbag! 🎉

For the first time, we're answering your questions, sharing our thoughts, and diving into the topics you want us to discuss.

This episode covers:

  • UK fertility clinics
  • IVF and fertility treatment
  • The cost of sperm donation
  • Donor conception
  • Social media sperm donors
  • Listener questions and real-life experiences

Educational, eye-opening, and as always... completely unhinged.

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Stoopida Ba Ba Sisters.

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This is a story about sisters. Just not the kind that you're expecting. Three years ago, we were strangers, living separate lives.

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Now we know we're biological sisters, connected by the same sperm donor. And that's just the beginning.

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This podcast dives headfirst into the how, the why, and the uncomfortable questions no one seems to want to answer.

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Uncovering secrets the medical world would rather keep buried. How many donor-conceived people are there really?

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No one can give a straight answer. Not the clinics, not the system, no one.

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So, how many siblings could be walking past us every day without a clue?

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It's messy, it's shocking. At times it's almost impossible to believe. And somehow, it's also really funny.

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Come with us as we dig deeper, ask the uncomfortable questions and laugh our way through the chaos of discovering who we really are. And just how many of us there might be.

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Coming up on this week's episode of Sperm Sisters.

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Our WhatsApps are open. We have a brand new segment, The Sperm Sisters Mailbag.

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We would like to thank Ellie and Mike for sending in that question. Congratulations on being our first question and answer guests.

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A magnet will be sent out to you in the post. Mandy's back and she's giving us a biology lesson. What are you saying, mum?

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I always understood the semen was the whole fit when a man ejaculates.

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Sweet Lordie. Right, let's saddle up and begin the show. Sperry! Spermy sperms. Once upon a time, we were all little tiny sperms in a little pot in a little cold laboratory in the corner of London. And look at us blossoming today all over the internet.

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Do you think we were frozen in time? Like not moving sperms when you're frozen.

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And then when you thaw out I'd love to know that.

SPEAKER_05

We were warm when we came out. And then we were put in a pot and then really quickly frozen. So we were yeah. Yeah, we were.

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Yeah. You must freeze freeze where you are.

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That's what I imagine.

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And then wait for them to thaw you out to go again. What does that look like?

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And we go again.

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That's it.

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Oh my god. Well, we'll never know unless a doctor comes on to tell us.

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Yeah, we could we could do some factual medical data, to be honest, to back up. I don't know. The do seem pretty legit to me. Let's introduce ourselves. How have we got here today?

SPEAKER_04

Who's in the blue? That would be me. My name is Helen. I'm the youngest of the three sir sperm. Hang on. Yeah, yeah. That would be me. My name's Helen. I'm the youngest of the three sperm sisters. I'm 35 and I'm running on very little sleep because my daughter. Oh, I've forgotten how many days old she is. Somewhere between twelve and f what day is it? Monday. Yeah. She's 12 days old. God. Probably need to edit that down. Anyway, I'm yeah, slightly delusional, but here. Well done. Thank you. Smashing it.

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Smashing it. And we have our big sister over in Essex over on the other side of the M25. And you're Hello, darlings.

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My name's Tasher, and I am 36 years old. I'm the eldest of the sperms. And I'd be frozen.

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And she's gonna make frozen sperm.

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Which are now thaw.

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That's me, guys. And I hold on.

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My name is Gemma. I'm also 36, and I am not really too sure like what's been going on the last couple of weeks because, well, it's all just a bit wild in Sperm Sister HQ, isn't it? I got a sim card today, a pay as you go sim card, so we can open up Sperm Sisters HQ the WhatsApp so people can start WhatsApping us. So good. I went to Argos. Do you know how much the SIM card was? Fiverr. No. Yeah. Tenor? One pound. Excuse me. One pound. Because all we need it for is data. So uh when I work out what the number is, um oh, and I charged up my old phone. Look at our little that's really cute. That's really cute.

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Um, do you want to say what the number is now so that people could message us if they so wished?

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Got it. Do you want me to read it out?

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Yeah. And however you do it now will be how we always say it. You know, when you group numbers together.

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Okay, okay. We are just about to read out the new WhatsApp number. Like a like a rat.

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Like a rat. I think Nat was just gonna read it. Okay, yeah, cool.

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Sorry.

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Okay. Are you re ready? Ready. Yeah. If you would like to text in to Spam Sisters HQ, just text the following number. Very good.

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That's the number. And now you do it. If you would like to get in contact with us on Sperm Sisters HQ, our new mobile number that you can text or voice note to is 07507-834096. Too many numbers at the front.

unknown

Yeah.

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We'll do five at the front.

SPEAKER_03

Whoa. Whoa, brainy.

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Speaking of numbers and figures and maths and all that jazz, I thought that today we could do an episode on how much it costs people to have sperm donation done through a fertility clinic. We've covered how much it costs if you get it via Facebook, eBay, Tinder, whatever. The answer is zero. And there's a reason for that. It's because it's unregulated, there are no laws, it's probably not safe. If you want to know more about that, not for your own purposes, but just out of interest, then listen to our episode Facebook Spam. The reason why there has been an increase in online sperm donations and requests is because the cost of fertility treatment in the UK and pretty much around the world has skyrocketed. And we've been talking about that for quite a lot. I actually don't know how much the I mean, I know because I've just done the research, but we didn't know how much it costs for all of this treatment. There are a couple of different ways that couples requiring donor sperm and going through registered fertility clinics in the UK can go about getting themselves pregnant at the end of the day, which is obviously the goal. But how much do you think, let's start off, walking through the door of one of these clinics? How much do you think, roughly, an initial consultation is?

SPEAKER_03

anywhere between I would say 150 pounds to like 275 pounds or 350 pounds. Okay. I'm like basing this on my basing this on how much it costs to get a private x-ray, which is a very different thing.

SPEAKER_04

I th I think also in the realms of 200 to 300 pounds, because an initial consultation is just a chat, a get-to-know-you session, isn't it? And like a this is what would happen going forward. So I reckon around 200 quid. Yeah.

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To go in, to start working things out and then to start going into fertility tests. So then in the next stage is the tests.

SPEAKER_04

So that doesn't include any testing, no.

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And do we know how long what the duration is for those initial consultations? Is that like a 45-minute consultation or specified?

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I think it comes down to the clinic, the person that you choose to go with, because there are so many different clinics around the UK now. Whereas our parents back in the 80s went to London because at the time that was one of the best places in the world to go for fertility treatment. Luckily, our parents all lived in London anyway. So that's a kawinky dink. But now around the UK, I imagine it would be varying prices for different clinics and the reputation as well. You know. Yeah. Maybe they go by their success rates. And that and when they get really high rates, it's just I don't know.

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It does find out. It does feel a little bit like uh because it's something that people will be so desperate to do that that's preying on people's desperation to be able to hoik a price like that. That's madness to me.

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So now you've got the tests, the fertility tests. How much do you think those tests would be?

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Okay, do we know what that initial test looks like or what is involved within that initial test?

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I've got a couple of friends who've done that and they and it's um sort of described as like a female MOT. It's doing sort of everything, just making sure that your body is performing the way it should do. I think, don't they also do uh tests where it's like they run dye through your fallopian tubes to make sure that there's no blockages? I think they do that too.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah. Wow. I wonder how long that whole process takes, you know, to go into the to a clinic and have all of these tests. Because it's not just you having the tests, it's like taking days off work as well.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. And recuperating, it sounds exhausting. Yeah. Physically and mentally. How do you go about your day after that? I wouldn't, I'd be like, that's that. You're now gonna watch Love Island in bed. So we're saying it's very extent it's actually quite extensive testing, right? Yes. So what do what's your guesstimate now?

SPEAKER_03

I mean, I reckon between like three to five grand. Not that high.

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Not as high. You're looking at about 1,500.

SPEAKER_03

1,500. That's what I was gonna say at the start. Well, you were right.

SPEAKER_04

Don't doubt yourself, sweetie. I wonder if it's something to do with like registr registering yourself at the clinic as well, because you're kind of like buying space in a way, aren't you?

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Yeah. This is what I mean. Like, there are so it once we start doing this, it opens up so many more questions.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It kind of just leaves us open to the elements. Like, can someone come on and tell us, please? Which they will feel like we really should know. Because we just know of our mums going through it and then the different things that they had to do, going in for injections at two o'clock in the morning, and but that's the treatment itself. But I just wondered like whether that was still happening now. Yeah.

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And also just with that, like, we actually don't even know my like my mum's story. Like, we don't know what she went through or if like the process was slightly different to that of Mandy's, which is you know, like we only know one, we only know one story, but I mean we'll get my we'll get my dad on to hopefully talk about that.

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Yeah, yeah, that would be fascinating.

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Okay, if you are going down the R U I with sperm donor, the R-U-I means inch hush, I U I H I U I.

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Sorry, go on.

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It they had to Intro Intro I N T R A U T E R I N E. I need to zoned zoned out.

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I need to see it. In it's it means simply inside the uterus. Intrauterine. Intrauterine.

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Oh.

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Intrauterine. Did you hear that? No.

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Intrauterine.

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Intrauterine.

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Intrauterine.

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Intrauterine. Intrauterine. Intrauterine. Intrauterine insemination. It was the IUI. In intrauterine. Intrauterine. Well.

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I'll take whatever you're smoking.

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Lack me up, baby.

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So RUI is one of the simplest fertility treatments and is often the first option when using sperm donation. So you track your ovulation, a vial of donor sperm, little tubi bit, is thawed and prepared in a laboratory. A clinician inserts a very thin catheter through the cervix and places the sperm directly into the uterus. The sperm then swims up the fallopian tube to its destination where fertilization can happen naturally. The procedure itself takes five to ten minutes and it can feel like a smear test, apparently. We've got some really cool interviews coming up with some people who can tell us more about all of this and everything that they went through.

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Shall we call Mum and see if she remembers how it felt? Yes! Oh my god, we know someone.

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Yeah, call her.

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Hello.

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Hello. Can you hear that?

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I can hear you.

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Oh good. Um Mum, we're just recording the podcast and we do have a question for you, but don't panic at all if you can't remember this, because obviously it was a while ago. Um, when you went for your treatment, do you remember what it felt like when they inserted the uterine catheter to actually artificially inseminate the sperm? Because we we've got oh you do? How how did it feel?

SPEAKER_07

Really weird. It was a very thin, long, narrow tube, and I remember it was pink, the stuff that was going through. So um what they did they put they put the semen in a centrifuge to extract all the sperm, and then that must have been put in some kind of pink liquid, I don't know. And then um yes, it was it was a case of lie back and think of England with your you know laser kimbo. And it was it was done so precisely because it went up through the cervix, so you had to relax for that to happen. It was over and done with really quickly.

SPEAKER_04

And then presumably after it's done, you just had to stay there for a while. You couldn't obviously get up.

SPEAKER_07

Yeah, I think for about 15 minutes with my knees bent, yeah. And then I was able to get up and go on my merry way.

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Because some uh from Gemma's research, someone has said it it feels similar to that of a smear test.

SPEAKER_07

Yes, it does, because they use um what do they call those things that a speculum. Is that what it's called? Speculum, and then they they they crank it open.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07

Wide up, yeah. So it's exactly like that. Except that you don't obviously have the the scrape around while they're doing the smear test.

SPEAKER_05

What did they use on use on your mum? A whisk?

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I don't you can't you probably can't hear Gemma. But um Gemma just said, What did they use on you a whisk?

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I mean that's that's what happened with me. I don't know what they did with Nat because obviously that was that was done in a different place.

SPEAKER_03

You think it was done in a different place, do you? She went to a private doctor in Harley Street somewhere.

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Nat thinks that her mum went to a private doctor in Harley Street.

SPEAKER_07

Well, yes. I didn't want to say that in case it was it was going to be made public, but yeah. So we don't he he wouldn't have had the equipment, I don't think, to do the centrifuge stuff.

SPEAKER_04

So I wonder how that would have happened with Nat's mum then.

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Well, a nor a normal sperm. A normal semen being injected.

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Oh, so you don't think yours is sorry, c clarify for I'm probably being thick. Clarify that for me. But you you think are you saying the centrifuge is the pinky liquid where it's like combined?

SPEAKER_07

Well the centrifuge is um is a machine and it it basically goes round and round and round at high speeds, so it extracts the cig the the sperm from the semen.

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So I I don't I don't understand what the difference is then between that and then how mum is saying that Nat might have come about.

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Gemma's saying she doesn't she doesn't understand the difference between uh what is different between that with you and what would be different with Nat's mum. But I uh correct me if I'm wrong, are you saying that sperm and semen is different and it's just like the semen is the what are you saying, mum?

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I always understood the semen was the hard fit when a man ejaculates. Yeah, and then there's just done in like you know, white jelly-like liquid.

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Yeah, and then maybe they would just have the sperm so they spin it round and round, so then little sperms can come out of that. Is that what you're thinking?

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And you're thinking then essentially artificial insemination is still the same. And mine went straight through the cervix, not not just into the vagina.

SPEAKER_04

Okay, so perhaps you think maybe at the doctor's surgery. For Nap's mum, it might have just been into the vagina because they might not have had the big tubi bit.

SPEAKER_07

That would be my guess, yes.

SPEAKER_04

Okay, cool.

SPEAKER_07

That's uh yeah, that's just stuff that we um Only only because I started off with that in Harley Street and it didn't work.

SPEAKER_04

Oh. So what was the process when you went to Harley Street then, Mum?

SPEAKER_07

Um Right, we'd we'd mix well we'd be told that we're mixing dads and the donors um sperm sperm together, semen together. And then it was basically you know well not not turkey based, but you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

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And then and then hope for the best.

SPEAKER_04

I see.

SPEAKER_07

I did that for about six months, I think it was, as far as I remember, and it and it didn't work, but they it wasn't particularly scientific because they weren't checking to see whether I was ovulating or not. They were just taking it sort of mid midway between cycles. So then when it didn't work after a certain number of months, that's when he referred me to a gynecologist, and from there we went from hospital to hospital.

SPEAKER_04

Got you. So that method uh it sounds like probably just worked for Nat's mum.

SPEAKER_07

Yes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. Okay, cool. Well, thanks, mum. That's been insightful. And I need to Google the difference between sperm and semen to see Yes, just see whether I'm right or whether I'm, you know, telling porcupies. Well, and n none of us know either. Cause I don't know. All right, thank you, Mum. Love you. Bye. A little learning curve for us all here. Sperm is different to semen. So sperm are the microscopic reproductive cells that carry genetic information, while semen is the fluid that transports and nourishes those cells. Oh, that's interesting. So mum was right clarifying it as the uh white. What did she say? Something harrowing that I tried to block out.

SPEAKER_05

How did you feel hearing Mandy say the word ejaculate?

SPEAKER_04

Already wiped it from her memory. So that tells you everything you need to know.

SPEAKER_03

I just find her voice soothing. She could say anything, and I'm just like, oh.

SPEAKER_04

I do know what you mean. Oh gosh. Mum's voice does relax me as well. Yeah, my goodness.

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A lot of that stuff that mum has just said is from her experience from the late 80s. So we're very aware that it must be different now. And next week we're gonna have someone on who can tell us in more detail about current modern day. Um but what I do have is the data on the success rates of an RUI. One round, the success rates. If you are under 35 per treatment and cycle, typical pregnancy rates are approximately 10 to 20% in under 35. That's the success rate. 10 to 20% success rate. Very low. And if you're between 35 and 39, it's 8 to 15%.

SPEAKER_04

And that's the c the common median age now that people are having children, isn't it? The likelihood and the success rate is that.

SPEAKER_05

Uh over 40, it's usually under 10% success rates. And many couples are advised to go through three to six rounds of IUI before moving on to IVF. So if you were going to cough up the money to do one round of IUI, it's between 2,000 and 3,000 pounds per cycle, including the donor sperm. But if you do, say for example, five rounds of IUI before moving on to IVF, then that's how much is that going to be? Call it like £2,500 on average per per round. You do five of that. £12,500. £12,500 on top of the fertility tests, the cost of that, the consultancy fees, travel costs, uh, taking probably unpaid time off work, I imagine, unless you've got, unless you've had to bank all of your sick days, or you know, whatever or your holiday allowance. Um, and then if you want to move on to IVF with donor sperm, then you're looking between £6,000 and £9,000 per cycle.

SPEAKER_03

This is quite interesting to me because um when my mum had me, she was £44. And so I do wonder if uh when she went to go and get the initial consultation, etc., if those figures were shared in terms of percentiles of how of success rate for 40 for women 40 plus.

SPEAKER_04

I don't think I mean, I put my cynical hat on. I don't think they'd have informed her of those stats because I don't even know if the stats would have existed. Uh yeah, maybe not. Probably not. Because it was so fresh. I wonder if she knew this if if had she known the stats, if she'd have continued down that path of going for it or not.

SPEAKER_03

Interesting. Maybe, probably. Yeah. Probably.

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Probably.

SPEAKER_03

She's a little ruck star.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah. In total, if you have done five rounds of IUI, you're gonna spend £12,500 roughly. And then if you have done IVF, you are looking at approximately £8,000 per cycle. And then fertility specialists encourage people to do up to three full cycles of IVF, which makes that £24,000.

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God, it's just so much money. We are going to start a new segment called The Sperm Sisters Mailbag. In this segment, we would request that our listeners send in some fantastic questions of which we will answer within this segment. You can send the questions in to the WhatsApp number that we've already shed out loud earlier on in this episode, but we'll say it again for you.

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That number is 075 078 34096. And we're gonna put that in the show notes as well, because we're gonna spaff the fuck out of that one all over social media, because we really mean it. Send us your voice notes and we want to play them on the podcast, if that's alright. And if you've got any questions about anything, our story, being donor conceived, anything you heard on any episodes, message us! XOXO.

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XL XO.

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You hated yourself then. I feel sick. Ugh. Mike's got a question for you. He's gone shy now. He's like, Can you ask her? And I said, Ask yourself.

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The question is if you happen to know, is there a limit on how long a donor sperm could be kept at donation sensor?

SPEAKER_02

Do you give him sperm like in your past and you channel that?

SPEAKER_00

No, the question was like, imagine if you got pregnant from a sperm from the 1930s, would that be weird or not? And I said, I don't even know if they keep him that long.

SPEAKER_04

There you go. What's the answer?

SPEAKER_03

Number. We would like to thank Ellie and Mike for sending in that question. Congratulations on being our first question and answer guests. The answer to that question.

SPEAKER_04

A magnet will be sent out to you in the post.

SPEAKER_05

Uh Gemma, do you want to answer the question? Oh fuck. I was gonna say, do you want to answer it? Um so firm in the UK is kept for 55 years. Let that sink in. So our donor donated in the late 80s. And that means that his 55 years of his donations being up would be in like another 15 years time. So if they were to use that sample, that donation sample for more children, we would be about 50 years old when we would have siblings.

SPEAKER_03

Well, no, however, we should caveat that with not all sperm is kept for the prem for the purposes of using it to reproduce. Yeah, it's often kept for that period of time for for research purposes. So actually, the possibility of us having a sibling when we're 50 might not actually be 100% the case, which is why Harriet is gonna lay down the law for us. Solicitor. No, she's not actually our solicitor, but she is a bloody clever friend of ours who has actually done a lot of research into this specific question. So she's gonna be joining us on an episode uh in a couple of weeks' time, which is really exciting, where she's gonna actually delve into uh this is an answer much, much more.

SPEAKER_04

The other bit, I guess, of that question was would it be weird to have a baby from 1930 sperm? Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah. Uh yeah, that's pretty fucking weird. Do you think they'd come out speaking like a really clipped? Oh, good day. Good day, mother, good good day, father. That's it.

SPEAKER_04

Oh yeah. Little little flat get. Little brown cheese. We had to have a sibling from a different time era though. What would you go for? Roman? I'd go for the future.

SPEAKER_03

Oh she. Oh, holy crap. I think I'd go for um Edwardian, just because I like the architecture.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, I do too. Yeah. Are we sisters? Wait a second.

SPEAKER_03

Are we related?

SPEAKER_04

I would go for that, or maybe Victorian, because I like how they like Victorian seasides.

SPEAKER_05

Let us know in the comments what siblings you would like from a different time era. And we will catch you next time when we've got some lovely guests lined up for some interviews. And we can't wait to hear all of your juicy, cheeky voice notes come through on the old WhatsApp.

SPEAKER_03

I've got an idea.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

So for it. To close this episode, shall we try and do our harmonies for the opening? Sperm sisters.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. Have we still got it? So I st I did the first one, no? I was the lower one. Mm-hmm. Then it was when are you gonna come in?

SPEAKER_03

I didn't know I was doing it then. No, I thought you were just setting the tone. I'm ready.

SPEAKER_04

Hang on. I'm ready. Oh, wait. I'm not now. Hang on. One, two, three. Do it a ba ba ba.

SPEAKER_02

Do it a ba ba.

SPEAKER_04

It's because I laughed. Say something sad. Dead puppies. Death Death becomes Okay. One, two, three, go.

SPEAKER_02

Did I do it wrong? You need to come in sooner.

SPEAKER_04

Oh my god, my cheek. No, one more one more time. Come on. One and two. One, two, three. Okay.