Must See TV....According to Kelsey

In Episode 3 of That Makes Two of Us, Kelsey grabs the remote and takes center stage as she dives into the wild world of modern television. From binge-worthy dramas and addictive reality shows to guilty pleasures she may or may not be embarrassed to admit, Kelsey shares what she’s watching, what she’s skipping, and what everyone should add to their queue immediately. It’s a millennial masterclass in streaming… whether Mike likes it or not.

Meanwhile, Mike does what Mike does best—interrupts with Gen X nostalgia, random facts, and reminders that “TV used to be better when you had to wait a week for the next episode.” From classic sitcoms and old-school must-see TV to debates over reboots, reality shows, and whether anyone really needs 14 streaming services, this episode is packed with laughs, relatable moments, and the kind of couch-side arguments every household has. 

Different generations. Different remotes. Same conversation.

Contact us at: MikeandKelseyPodcast@gmail.com

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:38

All right, good morning, good afternoon, good evening, wherever you may be, and welcome back to That Makes Two of Us. Yay! We are very excited to be here. We're in another recording space today. We're joined today by Finn. He is a giant great dame. He won't be saying much, but he's here for support. I'm sorry, was that funny for some reason?

SPEAKER_04 1:00

I um just he looked at me and I don't know. That's all it took.

SPEAKER_01 1:09

So apparently we're still just getting started today. But thank you for joining us once again. Uh, this episode is all about Kelsey and her TV upbringing and what helped shape her through the television.

SPEAKER_05 1:23

I'm Kelsey, guys.

SPEAKER_04 1:24

What's up? It's all about me, me, me, me, me.

SPEAKER_01 1:26

So last time, last time we took a walk down my memory lane. And who are you? And who am I? I'm Mikey D. Sorry about that. That's right. I should probably tell people who I am. I'm Mikey D. This is my partner, Kelsey. And last week we took a walk through the 70s and 80s with the television that I grew up with. This week it's Kelsey's turn. We'll be talking about the 90s. We'll be talking about the aughts and the TV shows that shaped her, for better or for worse. Some of them are questionable choices, but we'll get into that a little bit later. How are you doing, Kelsey? How's your week?

SPEAKER_05 2:00

It's good. Lots of dancing. You know me.

SPEAKER_01 2:04

It's very true. Kelsey is an accomplished dancer. I don't know about accomplished. She is professionally trained in all of the arts. That's not really totally accurate. She dabbles, folks. She dabbles.

SPEAKER_05 2:18

Fudging my resume a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 2:20

Fake it till you make it. Okay, so let's talk about it, Kel. Let's get into it.

SPEAKER_05 2:29

Right into it. Let's jump right in.

SPEAKER_01 2:31

Right into it. How old would you say you were when you discovered TV?

SPEAKER_05 2:37

Um, I've I mean TV's definitely always been a part of my life. I can remember it being structured when I was really little. Like we were allowed to watch TV early in the morning, right before school started. Um, we'd watch TV together like as a family at night. And then my mom was a single mom. She stayed not a single mom. That's a lie. Take that back.

SPEAKER_01 3:05

I said that. Which life are you living right now?

SPEAKER_05 3:07

My mom was a stay-at-home mom.

SPEAKER_06 3:10

There is a difference.

SPEAKER_05 3:14

And um, so there were definitely times during the day where my sister and I would be in our playroom or we'd be allowed to watch um TV. So yeah, it was I love I always loved watching TV, maybe a little too much.

SPEAKER_01 3:29

Right on, like who had who had the the say over what you watched? Was it your sister? Was it your folks?

SPEAKER_05 3:35

Like, um, well, my sister is older than me by a year and a half, which she sometimes likes to think that means ten years.

SPEAKER_01 3:44

As the oldest of three brothers, I'm gonna go ahead and say she's probably accurate on that.

SPEAKER_05 3:49

And I would say that the earliest memory I have, um, and I don't know if I can technically say it's my memory. This might just be like a story said back to me. Um, because I was probably only like two or three when it happened. But we were watching, or I guess we were going to watch Barney and Friends.

SPEAKER_01 4:13

Barney?

SPEAKER_05 4:14

Yeah, you know, big purple elephant. Oh, I know.

SPEAKER_01 4:16

Love you. You love me. Yeah, that guy.

SPEAKER_05 4:20

It's a cult.

SPEAKER_01 4:21

It is definitely it's up there with the teletubbies, not gonna lie.

SPEAKER_05 4:26

And I guess I was really over watching Barney, and my sister wanted to watch it over and over and over again because of VHS tape, so you just Oh, it's on repeat. Yeah. And apparently I took the Barney tape and was like, no, and whacked her over the head with it.

SPEAKER_01 4:45

That sounds so accurate.

SPEAKER_05 4:49

So two, three-year-old me couldn't really voice my opinion of what I wanted, so you know, physically.

SPEAKER_01 4:57

You were expressing yourself in the only way that you knew how. Me, I applaud that.

SPEAKER_04 5:02

No more giant purple elephant.

SPEAKER_01 5:05

Or dinosaur purple elephant? Were you guys drinking?

SPEAKER_00 5:13

No more purple elephants. No more wire hangers.

SPEAKER_01 5:20

Oh, that is too good. What was the fallout from that? Like, did you get in trouble for whacking her with the VHS tape?

SPEAKER_05 5:28

Did I do think I get in I do think I got in trouble. I think it was one of those moments where my mom tried not to laugh to be, you know, a good parent. Be like, this isn't okay, but at the same time, I think she thought it was funny. You asserted yourself. Um but yeah, definitely, definitely, definitely a little troublemaker sometimes. And if I got in we had I can remember having a TV in my room as a kid, which I think was a big deal. Um, and that was definitely a punishment if I got in trouble.

SPEAKER_03 5:58

No TV.

SPEAKER_05 5:59

Did you and your sister share a room? We did until I was maybe um like eight. Yeah, we always shared rooms until I was about eight, and then we got separate rooms.

SPEAKER_01 6:13

Nice.

SPEAKER_05 6:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:14

Right on. What uh did you learn anything from your favorite TV shows that at that at that age, or was it just pure entertainment?

SPEAKER_05 6:26

I'm sure those shows were meant to teach us something because it was stuff like Barney, the Magic School Bus.

SPEAKER_01 6:34

I remember the Magic School Bus.

SPEAKER_05 6:36

Yeah, and was there another big one that I watched as a kid?

SPEAKER_01 6:41

Um I just saw something crazy about the magic school bus.

SPEAKER_05 6:47

Um was it the sperm one?

SPEAKER_01 6:49

Yes! Yes! I had never seen this thing, and then I caught a blurb on it, and I'm like, wait a minute, what are they talking about? And then they played the clip of all the kids in the eggs, and here come the fish, and I'm going, This is not okay. Who green lit this?

SPEAKER_05 7:07

Yeah, that's one of those things where it like doesn't still hold up nowadays.

SPEAKER_01 7:10

Like, we That doesn't hold up any day.

SPEAKER_05 7:13

We're going on a field trip, kids, to get jizzed on by salmon.

SPEAKER_01 7:17

We're going to pound town.

SPEAKER_05 7:21

Um so yeah, there was stuff like Sesame Street, um, Blues Clues was a big one when I was a kid. Um and then one of the other really big ones that kind of shaped my childhood was Babar. Did you ever watch Babar?

SPEAKER_01 7:39

You mean Babar?

SPEAKER_05 7:41

Sure, whatever. You know what the fuck did you know what the fuck I was talking about? I know what you were talking about. Then don't be an asshole.

SPEAKER_01 7:49

I'm just I'm just trying to help. Help me help you. So you were watching Babar.

SPEAKER_05 7:57

God, that's like people. Have you ever been to Ibiza?

SPEAKER_01 7:59

Ibiza. No, it's Ibiza because there's a fucking Z in it. And I get it. I get it. I know it's called Ibiza. It's like Bartholona. All it's doing is making me sound like I have a lisp.

SPEAKER_05 8:12

Sorry to our all the Bartholonians.

SPEAKER_01 8:16

We did not mean to offend anyone with our callous statements.

SPEAKER_05 8:21

But anyway, uh before going to school, elementary school, we always were allowed to watch one episode before leaving. And in my young, six, seven-year-old brain, I always thought, oh, if this episode just doesn't end, if it just keeps going, I don't have to go to school because I only have to go to school when it ends.

SPEAKER_01 8:42

Logical. Absolutely logic. It just started over.

SPEAKER_05 8:45

Yeah. So if I recognized that any that anything was being taught to me, I don't know. Maybe subconsciously there were lessons being learned, but I think it was just more entertainment for me.

SPEAKER_01 8:58

Got it. So definitely not pronunciation. Okay, got it.

SPEAKER_05 9:01

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01 9:02

Don't she's looking at me like she wants to punch me in the throat right now. I will fucking kill you. Kill you, Mike. Oh shit.

SPEAKER_05 9:15

Um, so what shows did you why don't you pronounce sandwich, Mike?

SPEAKER_01 9:20

I find that statement in question to be off-putting.

SPEAKER_04 9:24

What what kind of what c what do you like to eat with your sandwich?

SPEAKER_01 9:26

It's a sandwich, okay. And that is that is an intentional mispronunciation. Pronounce Please bear with us, folks. We're having auditory problems this morning. Oh shit. So, which shows would you say you connected with the most early on? Was it still Babar? Was it the Teletubbies?

SPEAKER_05 9:54

Was it the Teletubbe creepy ass show?

SPEAKER_01 9:57

Right? It's very I I don't understand how that show got so.

SPEAKER_05 10:01

I feel like even I knew then. I was like, I don't like this.

SPEAKER_01 10:04

Don't go in the house with them. Don't go in the house with them.

SPEAKER_05 10:06

Why is there a baby face on the sun?

SPEAKER_01 10:08

It's not okay. Yeah, no, don't do that. Don't make that noise. So yeah, what shows what shows did you like basically must watch for you at that at that point?

SPEAKER_05 10:25

Um definitely my morning.

SPEAKER_01 10:32

Baba. Like to say that with a dick up my ass. I'm gonna be saying that the rest of the day.

SPEAKER_05 10:43

Um, and then there were a lot that I watched that um I watched because my parents watched.

SPEAKER_02 10:49

Ooh, like what?

SPEAKER_05 10:50

Um my mom was a big fan of Golden Girls.

SPEAKER_02 10:53

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 10:54

So we always watched that at night. And that was another one where it was like, we watched Golden Girls, and then I had to go to bed. So I was like, maybe if mom doesn't realize that another because it would do back-to-back episodes.

SPEAKER_03 11:03

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_05 11:03

And I was like, maybe she won't recognize that there's a second episode starting and I can stay up late. But no.

SPEAKER_01 11:08

Isn't it funny how stupid we thought our parents were when we were kids? Like I thought my parents were dumb as rocks, and I didn't get away with shit. So they were clearly smarter than I thought.

SPEAKER_05 11:17

And now watching kids as an adult, I see them trying to do it, be like, I'm so much smarter than you. And I'm like, bitch, I know what you're doing.

SPEAKER_01 11:23

100%. 100%. My favorite is when they look, how did you know? How did I not know? Come on.

SPEAKER_05 11:30

And then a nice family one that I can remember all of us watching was um Who Wants to Be a Millionaire?

SPEAKER_01 11:36

That's a fun one.

SPEAKER_05 11:37

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 11:38

With Regis Philbin. Hello, and welcome to Who Wants to Be a Millionaire.

SPEAKER_05 11:43

Is that your final answer?

SPEAKER_01 11:44

Is that your final answer? Do you want to phone a friend? My favorite with that was the guy that made it all the way to the end, and he's on the million-dollar question, and he phones a friend, and I forget who it was. It was his dad or his best friend or somebody, and he get him on the phone, and Regis does his whole, you're on the phone, it's who wants to be a millionaire, you have 30 seconds, go. And he goes, I don't really have a question for you. I already know the answer. I just wanted to call you to tell you I just want a million dollars. Remember that. Fantastic. That was fantastic.

SPEAKER_05 12:15

I always remember thinking like, I if someone was trying to phone me, I they'd be fucked. I'm not answering.

SPEAKER_01 12:23

Unknown number, go to voicemail.

SPEAKER_05 12:25

He'd be like, this is Regis Film and I'd be like, fuck you.

SPEAKER_01 12:28

Yeah, right, sure it is. Go fuck yourself. No, I'm I don't think it is.

SPEAKER_05 12:33

Prove it.

SPEAKER_01 12:34

Yeah, prove it. Video call me, bitch.

SPEAKER_05 12:38

I think they did later in. Didn't they start doing video things later in? But they changed it. They stopped doing phone calls. It it changed to something.

SPEAKER_01 12:46

I haven't watched it, I guess, since Regis left.

SPEAKER_05 12:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:49

And Jimmy Kimmel took over. And I used to be a big Jimmy Kimmel fan. When he did the man show with Adam Corolla, thought it was great. Now can't stand the guy. I think I think he he just went off the rails for me. His humor's not funny, his obsession with politics is not funny, and it's just disappointing because he was a great comedian at one point. So yeah, I quit watching Who Wants to be a Millionaire, and uh they could have changed it. I don't know. I have it on my phone. I play it, I play the game on my phone every now and then. Nice.

SPEAKER_05 13:18

Yeah, it's a good one. It's fine.

SPEAKER_01 13:19

I like trivia.

SPEAKER_05 13:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:21

So as you got older, as you entered your teens, did TV play a huge role in your social life? Because for me, it did. You know what I mean? Like we all watched the same shows and we all talked about the same shows. Was it the same for you?

SPEAKER_05 13:35

Yeah, so I have a hard time connecting with people right away. Um if conversations, I don't do forced conversations. Like I hate when stuff's like, How are you? What do you do for a living? Let's talk about the weather. I'm like, I'd rather stab myself in the eye.

SPEAKER_01 13:55

With a spoon.

SPEAKER_05 13:57

So I'll just be quiet if I don't feel that the conversation is thriving for me. Um, but TV and talking about entertainment is always a topic that I can easily get into and enjoy. So when people are like, oh, I love that show, it's really easy for me to connect with them. And like I remember there was a guy that we were, you know, talking and I was talking about shows, and he was like, Oh, I don't really watch TV. And I was like, Well, this just isn't gonna work then.

SPEAKER_00 14:29

What are we gonna talk about?

SPEAKER_05 14:33

Because I do, and there's nothing better than being like, Oh my god, did you s watch this episode? And did you see this?

SPEAKER_01 14:39

And it's so much fun, especially if it was one of those big TV events where you know everybody's tuning in to see this conclusion or to see what's going on in the season finale. And back in the day, before streaming, before, even before D VRs, that season finale, you had to be there to watch it.

SPEAKER_05 15:00

And you you're like, or if you hadn't seen it and you like had to wait, you'd be like, Don't fucking say anything. Don't say anything of me.

SPEAKER_01 15:07

We didn't even know what a spoiler was. We would just we were just telling people, don't you fucking tell me what happened. I will kill you if you do.

SPEAKER_05 15:14

Um, I can remember in high school I had a really close group of friends, and our thing was Laguna Beach.

SPEAKER_01 15:24

I've heard of this show.

SPEAKER_05 15:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:26

Um is that um Misha Barton?

SPEAKER_05 15:29

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's the OC.

SPEAKER_01 15:33

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_05 15:35

Big, really different. But Laguna Beach was a reality show, but it was filmed in a way that that it made it look like it was you were watching a TV show, but it was actually reality. Um and my friends and I, every week it was religious. We got together, I think it was on Wednesdays, and we watched Laguna Beach, and we it was so much fun. Like we did that for so long, and I always looked forward to it every week. And it was really innocent because you know, we were in high school, so there were definitely things that you could have been doing to getting in trouble. Um, but we just we just did that. We watched our show together, we'd make like smoothies and have you. I remember one time we were wholesome. It sounds wholesome. I was making this smoothie. And I turn the thing on, and the blender's like and we're like, Jesus Christ, what happened? And it turned it off, unplugged it, I reached my hand in, and I pull out a metal spoon.

SPEAKER_01 16:39

Nice, nothing like dull in the blades on the blender. Outstanding. And that was that a daily?

SPEAKER_05 16:47

It was weekly, once a week.

SPEAKER_01 16:49

Once a week. Got it, got it. Right on. Um I never watched Laguna Beach. I'm a little bit familiar with the OC. Uh I know they're two different things. I do remember the dawn of reality TV, which for me was cops, which I loved. Uh, we mean that was a huge staple programming for us. And then MTV decided The Real World Seven Strangers living together in a house. And I watched a few episodes, and then I just got bored because that's what me and my friends were doing, and it was more fun to do it in real life than to watch somebody else do it on TV.

SPEAKER_05 17:28

I feel like if you go back and watch like the very, very first season of The Real World, it wasn't great. It was a little boring, but then things started like, man, we just I I the crazier the better for these people that got on the show because damn did wild shit happen on the real world.

SPEAKER_01 17:46

Especially when, and I don't remember which season it, I don't think it was the first season, it may have been the second or the third season when they brought in Puck.

SPEAKER_06 17:53

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 17:54

And he was off the rails. I was thinking at the time, like, why don't you just bring in a meth head? Because damn, this guy is crazy.

unknown 18:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:03

And it translated off screen too, because if I remember correctly, he got in a bunch of trouble off of the show as well. So, yeah, they started going down that crazier is better road, which is why we see some of the reality shows we see now. Which a lot of them, let's be honest, they're not very good.

SPEAKER_05 18:24

I mean, just garbage people.

SPEAKER_01 18:26

100%. Which brings me to my next question, which is what is your biggest TV guilty pleasure?

SPEAKER_04 18:34

Jersey Shore.

SPEAKER_01 18:35

Yeah, see, we're gonna have a problem now.

SPEAKER_04 18:37

Gin tan laundry.

SPEAKER_01 18:39

Stop it.

SPEAKER_05 18:40

You okay, but anytime I if I'm like feel if I'm in a bad mood or if I'm feeling a little bit down, anytime I want to feel better about myself, I just watch an episode Jersey Shore and I'm like, you know what? I got I got my life together. I'm doing pretty good.

SPEAKER_01 18:57

See, this is one of those, this is one of those topics, folks, where Kelsey and I are gonna disagree vehemently. I loathe the Jersey Shore. I hate this show, can't stand it. I can't stand that it's still on. As someone who is originally from the great state of New Jersey, let me be the first to say that's not how we act.

SPEAKER_05 19:22

Well, also, most of them aren't even actually from Jersey.

SPEAKER_01 19:25

Five of the six are not from New Jersey. Yeah. And the fact that New Jersey as a whole has pretty much rejected them, a lot of towns said no to them coming back and filming. But it just My God, anybody that's from New Jersey hates this show.

SPEAKER_05 19:43

Can you guess which one I always had a crush on?

SPEAKER_01 19:52

Wait a second. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. You had a crush on somebody from the Jersey Shore?

SPEAKER_05 19:56

Yeah, of course I did.

SPEAKER_01 19:58

Oh god.

SPEAKER_05 20:00

There's always at least one where it's like, which one do you think is cute? There was all there's one I thought was cute.

SPEAKER_01 20:04

I I don't even want to speculate on this this oh god, that's so bad. Who? I don't oh do I want to know?

SPEAKER_04 20:12

DJ Polly D.

SPEAKER_02 20:14

I no Kelsey, come back to the light. Come back to the light.

SPEAKER_00 20:22

I loved him. So bad. I loved him so much.

SPEAKER_01 20:25

So bad. Folks, if you ever do get a chance to go to the actual Jersey Shore, I encourage you to do so. It's a lot of fun. And believe me when I tell you, that element is not representative of what the Jersey Shore is. By the way, if you go down to Seaside, uh visit Midway Steak Shop and get a steak sandwich. It's good.

SPEAKER_05 20:44

A steak what, Mike?

SPEAKER_01 20:46

Sandwich.

SPEAKER_05 20:48

I said a sandwich. Let's play that back. I said a sandwich. Does it sing for you?

SPEAKER_01 20:55

Like what the f it does if it's made right. Oh, snap, that's too good. I still can't believe the jersey short. Jersey short short. God, I can't.

SPEAKER_05 21:04

And it's funny because I watched it as a teenager, and then I went back and watched it again as an adult. And realizing that it's garbage? No, but like I am now the age that some of them were when the show started. And I was like, oh, I'm fine. I'm doing just fine in life.

SPEAKER_01 21:24

Everything's fine. I'm totally fine. By the way, if you wanted to watch some type of TV to feel better, Carrie Springer. All day long.

SPEAKER_04 21:34

You are not the Vol.

SPEAKER_01 21:37

That's Maury. That's even that's that's right up there, too. At the height of the talk show Mania, which was early 90s, right? At the time I was working on an ambulance, and every nursing home, every hospital, every facility we went into, I could tell what time of day it was by what show was on.

SPEAKER_05 21:59

Oh my god, it was. All any waiting room that you were in. It's on.

SPEAKER_01 22:04

And like I said, I mean, it's like, oh, look, there's Sally Jesse Raphael. Oh, it's 9 o'clock. Oh, it's Ricky Lake. It's 10 o'clock. Oh, it's uh what's her face? Uh Jenny. Oh god. Jenny Jones show? Was it? That was the one that actually put the kibuts on what was going on because they had an episode. I think it was the Jenny Jones show. They had an episode where they brought this guy on and said, Oh, somebody has a secret crush on you.

SPEAKER_04 22:36

Did that catch on the recording?

SPEAKER_01 22:38

It certainly did.

SPEAKER_04 22:40

Finn Finn passed a little gas, you guys. So if you hear something in the background, he's a little bloated today.

unknown 22:45

Oh, he's so embarrassed.

SPEAKER_01 22:46

He's leaving now. Sorry. Finn, we apologize. We did not mean to draw attention to your flatulence. That's a Finn. Circling back around, um, they had an episode, they brought this guy on, and it was the whole premise of the show was oh, there's a secret crush. Someone has a secret crush on you, and he's all about it. And then they bring a guy out, and the guy comes obviously he's homosexual, confesses his crush. On TV, the one guy was very amicable. And then the episode wrapped, they went back to their hometown, and it was a couple of weeks later, the guy who was brought onto the show shotgunned the gay man to death.

SPEAKER_03 23:35

Damn.

SPEAKER_01 23:36

He killed him. And the show was directly blamed for it. Like producers, I think, were brought up on charges. It just sent a ripple effect through that whole thing. And there was still crazy daytime talk shows going.

SPEAKER_05 23:51

Well, do you remember? Um, I forget what year it was. It might have been 70s or 60s, the dating game.

SPEAKER_01 24:00

I do with the serial killer.

SPEAKER_05 24:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:03

Yeah. That was the the uh the dating game.

SPEAKER_03 24:07

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01 24:07

And he was a contestant on there, and it came out. I don't think it was too long after that that this guy was actually a serial killer and very charismatic. He made it on the show.

SPEAKER_05 24:20

As the serial killers normally are.

SPEAKER_01 24:22

That's true. That's very true. So yeah, this daytime talk show thing was incredibly crazy. And I remember when Jerry Springer started, initially it was a legitimate talk show like the rest. Until it wasn't.

SPEAKER_05 24:36

Yeah, I mean, they're like, hey, you want to fight on TV?

SPEAKER_01 24:41

There was two shows before that, before Jerry Springer went the way he did. One was the Morton Downey Jr. show. Now, this show is not long-lived, but it was oh my god, it was hilarious. Morton Downey Jr. is do you remember the movie Predator 2?

SPEAKER_05 25:03

Unfortunately.

SPEAKER_01 25:04

Do you remember the news guy?

SPEAKER_05 25:06

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 25:07

That's Morton Downey Jr. Okay. He got that role in Predator 2 because of his talk show. And he was exactly like that on his talk show. He smoked cigarettes the whole show, and he would be, you're a piece of garbage, I'm gonna like he would bring people on just to rip them a new ass. So that was the first one that started going into that craziness. And then you had the Geraldo Rivera incident where Geraldo Rivera had a talk show. He brought on these white supremacists.

SPEAKER_03 25:36

Oh, good job. Good job.

SPEAKER_01 25:38

And then he brought on an opposing group.

SPEAKER_03 25:40

Oh of course.

SPEAKER_01 25:42

A fight breaks out, and not just a fight, it is an all-out WWE brawl. And at one point, somebody throws a chair and it whacks Geraldo in the face and breaks his nose.

SPEAKER_03 25:54

Damn.

SPEAKER_01 25:55

So now he's air bleeding, and that opened the floodgates, and that's when Jerry Springer started going his way. And then Maury Povich decided he's just gonna paternity test everyone. Which is funny because his wife is Connie Chung, who is a reputable newswoman who's on at night, like, hi, I'm Connie Chung, and this is ABC News.

SPEAKER_06 26:16

I remember that.

SPEAKER_01 26:17

And he's in the middle of the day, you've got her husband going, You are not the father.

SPEAKER_05 26:21

I done told you I wasn't the father. And the way the men celebrate, they're like, ah.

SPEAKER_01 26:26

So good. I mean, looking back at it, there's a lot of people who went on the Springer show. There was a documentary about it, and they said, you know, we were coached or we were told to do these things. And of course, any of this stuff is scripted to a degree. Yeah. So I do think it's funny, though, that that worked its way into your programming.

SPEAKER_05 26:50

Mm-hmm. And then we moved on to stuff like Dr. Phil. And we're not a real doctor.

SPEAKER_01 26:56

Oh God, I can't stand Dr. Phil. This and and you know what? I hold him responsible.

SPEAKER_04 27:02

Catch me outside.

SPEAKER_01 27:03

For that. I hold him personally responsible for that person being a millionaire for being She who shall not be named. I'm not even I'm not gonna even say her name. I'm not gonna do it because this is a I I just we're glorifying bad behavior in that instance. And I that's one of the things that I'm not a fan of.

SPEAKER_05 27:24

And I feel like, you know, these people being on shows like Jerry Springer, Dr. Phil, kind of transform nowadays into people acting a fool on camera to get their used to be 15 minutes, now it's 15 seconds.

SPEAKER_01 27:40

I mean it is absolutely 15 seconds, and then they're gonna chase that next 15 seconds, and that next 15 seconds. So let's see how outrageous we can be. Let's see what kind of bad behavior we can have. And when people I see a lot of the prank reels or the prank videos where somebody's walking up to an unsuspecting person and they're either assaulting them or they're they're starting a conversation or a course of conversation that is going to lead to an altercation just for the likes or just for the views. I think haven't a couple people been seriously injured or shot because of this.

SPEAKER_05 28:21

Yeah, uh that also became a big thing when I was growing up, and it also led me and my friends to do dumb shit. Um, was shows like Jackass and Punked. And so you just of course they would say, like, don't don't copy what is on this show.

SPEAKER_01 28:39

Please do not copy anything you see on this show.

SPEAKER_05 28:41

But we're fucking we're fucking doing it.

SPEAKER_01 28:43

100%. And you know what? Me and my friends were not any different. We did stupid shit like that too. We did stupid pranks.

SPEAKER_05 28:50

And bam bam Margera, he got his own show, and the shit he did to his parents was just I would have been murdered.

SPEAKER_01 28:58

It would never even have occurred to me to do some of the shit that he did.

SPEAKER_05 29:02

When he brought a gator into his house?

SPEAKER_01 29:04

Nope. Nope.

SPEAKER_05 29:07

And he'd always like bust in on his dad when he'd like taking a do.

SPEAKER_01 29:13

A do?

SPEAKER_02 29:14

He's taking a do. I've never said that before in my life. He's taking a do? You could say taking a shit. He's taking a do.

SPEAKER_01 29:31

Thank you for that. You're welcome. I don't think I've ever heard it put quite that way.

SPEAKER_04 29:35

It never came out of my mouth. I don't know why. I don't know either.

SPEAKER_01 29:41

Oh my goodness. And you're right, though. Had I done anything remotely like that to my parents, the old man would have would have brought me out. He'd come outside. I want to talk to you. And it would not have been a good talk. Yeah. You know, we just it would not have gone over. And I see all these attempts to replicate what they've seen on Jackass, or or and this is why you have some of the terrible TV that we have today.

SPEAKER_05 30:07

Well, there was one episode where it was impunked, and I forget who it was, but they made someone think that like he was responsible for burning someone's house down.

SPEAKER_01 30:19

Yeah, see, that's you're fucking with people and their emotions.

SPEAKER_05 30:23

Like they're so traumatized.

SPEAKER_04 30:27

And that's, I mean, I don't think that's and then they come out and they're like, it's just a joke.

SPEAKER_01 30:32

Yeah, okay. Meanwhile, I'm gonna go to therapy for the next five years because I'm fucked up in the head now.

SPEAKER_05 30:38

Snap and kill you. It's your fault. Coming for you.

SPEAKER_01 30:44

Too true. That is too true. Uh, I think ridiculousness in this day and age has actually refined that in a very positive way. Yeah. Because they're just taking stuff off the internet. It's an entertaining show. It's actually the foundation of MTV now.

SPEAKER_05 31:01

Oh, it's on like 24-7.

SPEAKER_01 31:03

It's unbelievable. In fact, the theme song for that was done by Devo way back in the 70s. They revamped it for ridiculousness. They're living off residuals now just from that one song because of the popularity of ridiculousness.

SPEAKER_05 31:19

Yeah, I mean, I remember when it was Fantasy Factory first.

SPEAKER_00 31:22

Fantasy Factory was good. I liked Fantasy Factory.

SPEAKER_05 31:26

And then, yeah, then we got Ridiculousness, and that show, oh my God, so funny. I went to a live taping of that show.

SPEAKER_01 31:32

That's you did?

SPEAKER_05 31:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:34

How was that?

SPEAKER_05 31:35

It was really cool. It was, oh, what's his fucking name from Shark Tank? Mark Cuban. Cuban. Yeah, Mark Cuban was the guest. And sorry, not sorry, but like Chanel West Coast is kind of the worst.

SPEAKER_01 31:50

Is she?

unknown 31:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 31:51

I mean, she they they're what, like 30 seasons in? Like the show's just never ended.

SPEAKER_01 31:58

Oh, there's there's a ridiculous amount of episodes for it.

SPEAKER_05 32:01

And so she's sitting there, and before we start filming, she's complaining about how cold it is. And she's wearing basically nothing. And I'm like, you should know at this point what the studio temperature is.

SPEAKER_04 32:17

So she's complaining the whole time. Can we turn it down? It's so cold. I'm like, you have to know it's cold.

SPEAKER_01 32:26

I you know what's funny is initially I was a fan all the way around. I thought it was a good ensemble. You've got Rob, you've got Stilo, you've got Chanel West Coast.

SPEAKER_04 32:37

I love Stelo, he's so funny.

SPEAKER_01 32:38

Stilo is hilarious. Uh, and I thought it was funny that he was roommates with um Michael B. Jordan at one point, and they had him on the show, and that was a good show. And then I saw, and then I saw a video somebody shot of Chanel West Coast, and it was an interaction with the LAPD. And they had gone to her house. That's the one. And anybody anybody that's gonna lead with don't you know who I am? My response is I don't give a fuck. Because right now we're not dealing with that, we're dealing with why we're here.

SPEAKER_05 33:17

Also, let's be honest, you're only you all people only know you because you're because you're friends. You got lucky, you were friends with Rob, and you fucking followed that train.

SPEAKER_01 33:27

Good for you, but don't over don't overplay your hand. Let's not do that. So, yeah, I think I think that refined the prank or injury montage show. I think you're right about Punked. I think they did some questionable, questionable pranks on people. This I think there was one I saw I can't remember fully, but it was almost like they they had this person believing they were responsible for somebody's death.

SPEAKER_05 34:00

Yeah, that's uh that's that's that's not okay. That's not okay. That's not okay.

SPEAKER_01 34:04

Uh so I'm sorry, I'm still I'm still tuck stuck on Jersey Shore? No, he was he was taking a do. I can't I'm still stuck on me in the new catchphrase. Yeah, it might be.

SPEAKER_02 34:21

What are you doing? I'm taking a dope and a do. Leave me out loud.

SPEAKER_01 34:26

Oh shit, that's too funny. So which shows from back in the day that you were watching don't hold up today or would not translate well, you think as much as I like it, I I we re-watched it recently.

SPEAKER_05 34:43

And it's funny because in the last episode you were talking about um stuff in cheers that didn't hold up with like the stalker and things like that. And what came to my mind was Seinfeld.

SPEAKER_01 34:54

Really?

SPEAKER_05 34:55

And that's another show that I watched young because my mom and her best friend liked Seinfeld, so they would watch it, and I would Seinfeld's great. Seinfeld is great, but there's moments like Elaine has a stalker, and this dude's creepy as hell. Like he's got photos of her in his apartment, and she's like, she's dating him, and like her Jerry and everybody knows this guy's kind of wack-a-doo, and then they like it's so everyone's just like they're like, That's so funny. And it's like, no, this guy definitely would have taken her into his basement and skinned her and then worn it.

SPEAKER_01 35:31

What is it? It's an Elaine suit.

SPEAKER_04 35:34

It puts the lotion on the skin.

SPEAKER_01 35:36

Put the lotion on the basket. Oh I uh I love Seinfeld, I still do, I think it's a great show. Um, I don't remember that particular storyline.

SPEAKER_05 35:49

Yeah, yeah. So it's like the show overall, like hilarious and love it, but then there's those particular uh episodes and topics where it's just like not okay.

SPEAKER_01 36:01

We definitely do not see things today the way we saw them in the 90s or the odds. That is a hundred, hundred percent.

SPEAKER_05 36:10

Yeah. So just be careful, don't come at me. I'm not saying Seinfeld's a bad show. Love Seinfeld. You know what?

SPEAKER_01 36:17

Come at us anyway, because we'll refute that, and Seinfeld is a great show. And like the Cheers point, there were storylines, there were plot lines that they were attempting to address a serious topic in a comedy way, and it it maybe doesn't translate super well today. So I don't think that's a bad thing. I think it's a reflection. It's like going back to the 50s and saying everybody was like, leave it to the beaver leave it to beaver. It's not that way. It's it's a snapshot, if you will. So who's your first TV crush?

SPEAKER_05 37:01

I would say the first one that comes to mind where I was just like obsessed is Spike from Buffy. I love James Marsters, so hot. And if you ever end up listening to this James Marsters, you're still fucking fine today. You still got it.

SPEAKER_04 37:19

So good looking.

SPEAKER_01 37:21

Uh since we're doing shout-outs, a Buffy and Willow. If you'd ever like to stop by for coffee, I you know that's fine too. Just saying. Um, we will talk a little bit more about Buffy in a little bit.

SPEAKER_05 37:32

That was that was that was but that was your first crush? Yeah, yeah. And that and it's funny because like looking back on like crushes, Spike, um, Spike from Buffy, Cole from Charmed, and um actually R.I.P to Julia McMahon, because you were you were great. I loved you as Cole.

SPEAKER_01 38:00

Did he did he pass?

SPEAKER_05 38:01

Yeah. Niptuck.

SPEAKER_01 38:04

Oh god, yes, yes. And Niptuck was a fabulous show. I don't know if you ever watched that one.

SPEAKER_05 38:08

Yeah, that I was that was one of those shows where I was like way too young to watch it.

SPEAKER_01 38:12

Uh-huh. How old were you when you were watching it?

SPEAKER_05 38:15

Maybe like 12. A little early.

SPEAKER_01 38:21

A little early for that one.

SPEAKER_05 38:23

You know, there were definitely things that were just right over the head, but was able to recognize, like, I think I'm too young.

SPEAKER_01 38:31

If you're if you're watching the show and going, I maybe shouldn't be watching this, you shouldn't be watching it.

SPEAKER_05 38:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:37

That's that's your answer.

SPEAKER_05 38:38

Yeah. Um, and then also Uncle Jesse from Full House, also John Stamos, you still find a cell too. Uh but I recognize now, like, I was like, oh, these are all the bad, the bad boys.

SPEAKER_01 38:52

It's fair. It's fair. Uncle Jesse was the radical of the crew. Yeah. Although not knowing it at the time, years later, I saw Bob Sagitt.

SPEAKER_05 39:04

Jesus Christ, he is Oh my God.

SPEAKER_01 39:08

The things that come out of his mouth, and I'm like, I mean, that in itself is traumatizing to people who just go, That that's that's the Fool House dad. What are you doing?

SPEAKER_04 39:19

No, no, stop. Please don't talk about vaginas that way. Yeah, seriously.

SPEAKER_01 39:26

I'm scarred. That's a stupid job.

SPEAKER_05 39:28

Dirty, dirty man.

SPEAKER_01 39:30

He's a dirty joke teller for sure.

SPEAKER_05 39:33

But yeah, um, I I never I I recognize now like the the pretty boys that everyone lied to are like all the good guys. Like I'm I was never into it.

SPEAKER_01 39:47

No? Yeah, little bitches. Frankly, I love that.

SPEAKER_05 39:54

So I guess that influenced my tastes.

SPEAKER_01 39:56

I I think that's amazing for you. And I think it it I love the fact that you're not sitting there going, it's toxic masculinity, and I don't and then in the same breath, you're gonna go, where are all the good guys at? Where are all the good men at? So I think I don't know why I said it in that voice. I'm not even sure why I said it in that voice. And I I think years ago, I did a poll of a hundred women, random, and I asked, the question was, do you prefer the good, nice guy, or do you prefer the bad guy asshole? And overwhelmingly, they all wanted the bad guy asshole.

SPEAKER_05 40:38

And it shows like this and shows like the vampire diaries, like we all we all choose Damon. Fuck Stefan.

SPEAKER_01 40:49

I mean, I kind of get it because I was always drawn to I don't want to call them well, they are bad girls.

SPEAKER_02 40:59

Um I was just calling it like I say it.

SPEAKER_01 41:03

Um ladies, calm down. Everybody just chill out, calm down. But yeah, no, give me those bad girls. Um, let me uh see if I can come up. Well, I mean, for me, like the first great example of that was Madonna. Right? She hit the scene, every adult hated her. Everybody my age, the girls wanted to be her, and the guys wanted to be with her.

SPEAKER_05 41:28

Guys love crazy girls. Like anytime I'm talking with a guy and he's talking about his ex or a girl he hooked up with, or whoever his toxic person was, he shows me a picture and I'm like, she was crazy, wasn't she? He was like, Yeah, how can you tell? I'm like, it's in the eyes.

SPEAKER_01 41:42

You can see it in the eyes.

SPEAKER_05 41:44

They have crazy eyes, and they're like, you, and they'd always talk about like going back and doing them, and they're like, Well, you know, sex with crazy girls is just insane. Like, it's really good.

SPEAKER_01 41:56

In all honesty, and this is a statistic fact.

SPEAKER_04 42:00

This is science.

SPEAKER_01 42:01

This is science. We're gonna follow the science right now. If the sex is off the charts, people will stay in that relationship way longer than they should. I know this from experience. I have dated crazy. You can't get around it. That crazy always surfaces, that crazy always comes to the top, and then when it does, it I'm going fuck.

SPEAKER_05 42:26

Now you make excuses. Um, you know, just make excuses because you're like, the sex is so good.

SPEAKER_01 42:32

I can help her. She's I can fix her. I can help her. It'll be okay. Nope. Barricaded in my room now. Yeah, it's no good. It is no good. Mayday, mayday, mayday. And the same holds true for girls. I mean, this is just human nature, right? But yeah, it's crazy. Crazy, crazy, crazy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 42:55

So now I just avoid relationships altogether.

SPEAKER_01 42:58

That's not totally true, but it's it's also a uh testimony or a statement about the condition of things today that I have seen some of your suitors. Whoa.

SPEAKER_05 43:11

Guys are like, I like you, here are my feelings. I'm like, go stop it.

SPEAKER_01 43:14

I mean, don't leave with that, you know. Um, and you are it's funny that you say it that way because it is true. Hey, hi, my my name's so-and-so, and here's my feelings. No, see, dude, you're gonna have to be a little bit more badassery than that. You're gonna have to have a little bit more of a bad attitude. Not a bad attitude. Yeah, don't be a dick. Right, don't be a dick, but have a uh grittiness to you, if you will. I don't know. I'm speaking for Kelsey now, so thank you for telling me what I like, Mike. You're very welcome. I'm just trying to help. Was that accurate? Typical man. Was it accurate?

SPEAKER_05 43:54

I would say, and here's the thing especially with a character um like Spike, who is not a good guy. He's villain. He's not. He's not good. But you start to see these big character developments and growth. And you start to see this side of him where it's like, even though he's the bad guy, he has a lot of love, he has a lot of depth, and he really starts to try at the end. Like he does horrible things, god-awful things. And same with a character like Damon in the Vampire Diaries. But then you get to see these sides of them where they're just so committed. And it's like, I will burn the world down for this girl. Like, I don't give a fuck what anyone thinks about me. She is mine.

SPEAKER_00 44:53

That's a little scary.

SPEAKER_05 44:54

I know. It's a little scary. But you know, you see that level of like commitment. And yeah, I don't know, something about it. There's something there. We need to get a therapist on the show.

SPEAKER_01 45:04

So there you go, guys. Um we're gonna dive into those issues in a later episode, I'm sure. Uh, one thing I do I do appreciate in some of these characters that we're talking about, and I cannot remember for the life of me. I wanna I gotta figure this one out. There was a I think it was a movie I watched, and the bad guy, who was a bad guy, the entire movie, right? Spoiler alerts, but I don't know what movie, so good luck. At the end of the movie, he is taken out, right? And he's laying there dying, and the hero is now there, and I I it was poignant for me because he looks up at this guy and he goes, Wait a minute. I'm the bad guy. He had no idea that he was the villain. He had no idea that the things we he was doing were was making him the bad guy. He thought he was coming from a place of right. And that and that's why I want to figure out what movie this was, because it was such a good scene, it was such a good portrayal of the look on his face when he realized, holy shit, I'm the bad guy.

SPEAKER_03 46:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 46:11

It was good, and I liked I like that. So and like I said, most girls like they like the bad boys, they like they like the guys that, you know, untamed, if you will.

SPEAKER_05 46:22

Yeah, and I I blame stuff like these shows and also books that just make them so tempting. They influenced us, but they influenced us to think like the bad guys secretly are good, and but there are bad guys out there who are just fucking bad guys.

SPEAKER_01 46:38

There are absolutely bad guys out there that are just bad guys. I mean, we were talking earlier about breaking bad, and we look at the character of when it when it comes to Walter White, we look at that character. He's a family man, he has a wife, he has a disabled son, he has a young daughter, and he's doing what he believes is best for his family, and he is a bad guy, he is not the hero of this show, he is not the conscience of it, and as the show progresses, he gets worse and worse and worse, and he's justifying everything he's doing. Yeah, so uh we tend to embrace that bad guy character nowadays, whereas before it was always just well, who's the hero? Who's the one that's gonna save the day? And it's not so much like that anymore.

SPEAKER_03 47:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 47:30

So TV tends to bring emotions into play. You're somewhat not sensitive, but I'm still curious.

SPEAKER_05 47:41

You look over, people are crying.

SPEAKER_01 47:43

I'm sitting there like, yeah, Kelsey's Kelsey's chuckling. Or elbowing me, we're both chuckling.

SPEAKER_05 47:49

Something really sentimental happens.

SPEAKER_01 47:50

I'm just like, feelings my feelings. So TV's TV tends to bring out a lot of emotions. Kelsey is not the most super sensitive out there.

SPEAKER_05 48:04

In fact, he's broken.

SPEAKER_01 48:06

Kelsey is not broken. I disagree with that. I think Kelsey's just right. Uh, fun fact though, out of all the women I have known in my entire life, Kelsey is the only one that I have never seen cry. Every every woman I know, I have seen cry. It's not a this is not a day. Okay, ladies, please do not come for me on this video.

SPEAKER_05 48:26

It's fine to cry. It's fine to cry. It's fine to cry. You are normal for crying.

SPEAKER_01 48:30

I am known as the family crier in my family, so it this is not specific. And I've never, I don't think I've ever seen you cry. I've seen you get somber, I've seen you get in your emotions, and we've talked and all the things. So, what TV show brought out that cry, and was it an ugly cry?

SPEAKER_05 48:54

I mean, I'm probably definitely an ugly cry. That's why I don't cry, because I saw myself do it one time, and I was like, never again.

SPEAKER_02 49:02

Never again will I do this. This is madness.

SPEAKER_05 49:05

I was like, people have to look at this.

SPEAKER_02 49:08

You're supposed to console me.

SPEAKER_05 49:10

Um, I think the show that I can remember crying was Gray's Anatomy.

SPEAKER_01 49:17

I'm sorry, what did you say Grey's Anatomy? Yes.

SPEAKER_05 49:19

Which I was a big fan for the longest time. And 2020, that show really took a turn for me. Um, 2020, 2021. And so after that, I was like, yeah, no, I think I'm done with this show. But up until that point, I was a huge fan. I watched it pretty religiously um from start until then, and that was just such a fucking chaotic show. Like the wildest things happened in this fucking hospital. I mean, bombs, shootings, plane crashes.

SPEAKER_01 49:54

I'm like doctors being hit by buses.

SPEAKER_05 49:57

Yeah, the the turnover in this fucking hospital is insane because everyone dies. And you love characters. I mean, when he when they're trying to figure out who this John Doe is that got dragged under a bus, and the girl's in there, and she's like, he saved me, he pushed me out of the way, and Meredith is sitting there, and the guy starts writing in her palm with his finger, and he and she realizes the motions he's making is 007. And the character in the show at that point that we had that connection with was a character named George, and oh god, George, such a sweetie. And he had just enrolled, enlisted to go into the army. And when Meredith realizes he's signing 007 her hand, she she she's like, oh my god, George, it's George! And you're watching, and you are just like, and then there's another episode with Izzy Stevens and Denny.

SPEAKER_01 51:03

Oh god, the vomitous. She's having go on.

SPEAKER_05 51:09

Yep, she's sleeping with sick patient. I mean, Izzy Stevens had a lot of problems. Um, but oh my god, Denny. And you you watched it. Supernatural.

SPEAKER_01 51:24

Um, we will get to that for sure. I would just like to point out the fact that Denny in the show Gray's Anatomy went on to become Negan in The Walking Dead, and you want to talk about polar opposite characters, that's the one.

SPEAKER_05 51:38

But he like Denny also pulls your heart string because this character's like sick. We see him in the hospital all the time, and you just fucking fall in love with him. Like, he's amazing. Jeffrey Dean Morgan is just such a ugh.

SPEAKER_01 51:49

He's a great actor. I love me some Jeffrey Dean Morgan.

SPEAKER_05 51:52

Love me some Jeffrey. You still hold up, you find a sense.

SPEAKER_01 51:54

He is he he does hold up. He's got a lot of talent.

SPEAKER_05 51:57

And but when Denny dies, that was also just like fucking heartbreaking.

SPEAKER_01 52:01

Fun fact that is about the time I stopped watching Grey's Anatomy.

SPEAKER_05 52:05

Oh dang, man. You Because they lost also like spoil alert for people who are just now watching it. Sorry, I have one friend who I know who's like just now starting it. So if you're listening to this, sorry, I've spoiled a lot. Um, there's a plane crash episode where we like spoilers cover yours if you haven't seen this episode yet, but like Meredith's sister dies in the plane crash, and like her lover ends up dying, McSteamy, and you think he's fine, but then the doctors re- they're like, no, this is like he's dying, and they're like, Well, he seems fine, he's awake and he's got energy, and they're like, This is this is the thing that happens right before people pass.

SPEAKER_01 52:45

They had this moment of like because I remember the ripple effect of uh McSteamy.

SPEAKER_05 52:53

Um also I'm so sorry to that actor too, because we're losing him to ALS. That's getting bad for him.

SPEAKER_01 52:59

Patrick uh what's his name? I could picture his face.

SPEAKER_05 53:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 53:05

He's been in a ton of stuff.

SPEAKER_05 53:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 53:08

Patrick Dempsey.

SPEAKER_05 53:09

No, that's McDreamy.

SPEAKER_01 53:11

Oh, you mean the other guy with the mustache? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's got ALS? Mm-hmm. Did not know that.

SPEAKER_05 53:19

Yeah. So I think he just he was doing an interview where he's talking about how he's like losing, I think he's lost function in pretty much his left arm.

SPEAKER_01 53:27

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_05 53:28

Um, and he's he thinks he only has a couple more months for his other arm, and then he's concerned about his legs going too.

SPEAKER_01 53:35

Yeah, our uh our generation stars to to watch them fade uh is is profound because it also points out my own mortality. And I look at Bruce Willis, who's one of my favorites of all time, all time. Thank you, John McClain. And to see that he's had to completely pull back out of the public eye.

SPEAKER_05 53:58

He doesn't remember his career anymore.

SPEAKER_01 54:01

Is it that is it progressed to that point? I knew he was having memory issues, I didn't know how far it had progressed. And then another one that's that's just killer for me is Billy Joel. And knowing that he had to cancel all his performances and what he's doing, and the fact that they're still reassuring their fans. Yeah. It's like Ozzy a month ago. He has one more show. One more show, kills it, and a week and a half later has a heart attack and dies.

SPEAKER_05 54:28

Yeah. Yeah. Um, I think I knew when I was getting to the to the point where I was gonna be done with Grey's Anatomy, um, was when, big spoiler if you haven't gotten here, sorry, don't listen. Um, was when Mick Dreamy dies. How did they kill him off? He gets in a car accident and he gets sent to a like little small hospital clinic thing that the doctors are just getting it wrong um for helping him. And he's a he's this insane brain surgeon, um, and they do it from his point of view, where he's like watching the doctors and nurses, and you can hear inside his head where he's like, they're getting it wrong, they need to do this, they need to do that, they're not doing it right, and he like knows he's gonna fucking die.

SPEAKER_01 55:16

So, yeah, that's I I like the writing on that. Yeah, um Grey's Anatomy just lost me, and that's why I stopped watching it. Also, Gray's Anatomy didn't get a fair shake for me because ER was my jam. And I watched it.

SPEAKER_05 55:33

I also watched ER as a kid because that was my mom's my mom liked that show, so I watched that one as a kid too.

SPEAKER_01 55:38

I love that show, and because I watched that show from beginning to end, there were times in Grey's Anatomy where I'm looking at plot lines and I'm going, I've seen this in ER. Yeah. They cover this kind of thing.

SPEAKER_05 55:51

Well, I mean that Grey's Anatomy, I think, is still going today. It is, and that's just crazy. It is. They have to run out of storylines.

SPEAKER_01 55:58

You would think, or you would think that some of the ridiculous storylines wouldn't hold up, the fan base would wither, and then the show would get cancelled, and that just didn't happen.

SPEAKER_05 56:08

But everyone, I feel like the when they talk about Grey's Anatomy, everyone remembers like the first ten seasons. Like that was its prime. Nobody really talks about the uh what happened in the show after that.

SPEAKER_01 56:21

I think I think it just reached a point where you have your diehard fans who are gonna watch it no matter what, and then you have the drop-offs like me. I dropped off right around the Denny storyline, and I don't know what season that was, probably season three or four, maybe, if that. And then I just got amused at all the little anecdotes I would see from the show, you know, uh Katherine Heigel refusing her Emmy nomination, saying the writing was terrible, and I'm going, What what are you, an asshole? Are you are you kidding me right now? You're on a hit show that's that's receiving awards because it it's being deemed by your peers to be that good, and you're gonna sit here and deny that.

SPEAKER_05 57:03

Yeah. And when we lose certain characters from a show, it can really it can really break the show. Like when we lost Christina, which was Meredith Gray's best friend.

SPEAKER_01 57:15

Sandra O.

SPEAKER_05 57:15

Mm-hmm. Did she die too? No, no, no. She just moved.

SPEAKER_01 57:19

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_05 57:20

She was a great character. She was, she was my favorite, and losing her, like the show really took a hit then for me too, and I kept going. But yeah. Uh another show where like when we lost a character, um always comes back to Jeffrey D. Morgan, um, in Walking Dead.

SPEAKER_01 57:40

Are you talking about the death of Glenn?

SPEAKER_05 57:44

Yeah. Fucking losing Glenn hurt so bad because Glenn was my favorite, and it was hard to it was hard at that point to keep watching.

SPEAKER_01 57:52

I uh I agree. Uh I huge Walking Dead fan from the drop. And people focus on the death of Glenn in that episode, and they forget we lost Abraham too. We did lose Abraham, and Abraham was a great character in and of his own right. I I love that they stayed true to the graphic novel with Glenn's death, uh, particularly the eyeball. Jesus. Right. Uh and that that's a great example of a show that maybe pushed it too far for the viewers because a lot of people turned off after that.

SPEAKER_05 58:28

Yeah, I remember um I think it was really smart how they made that episode. So they did, they filmed everyone getting killed, and they didn't tell the cast who it was gonna be. And when it finally came out and the season started, and it's Abraham. I kind of had a breath of like, I was like, oh, okay, I can deal with Abraham. I can deal with that. I can deal with Abraham, and then when he turns and takes Glenn, I was just fucking done. It ruined, it ruined me.

SPEAKER_01 59:07

And I think The Walking Dead was one of the first shows that really illustrated no character here is safe.

SPEAKER_05 59:16

Yeah, I mean, if they had taken Daryl, that would have been it.

SPEAKER_01 59:20

Well, I used to have a shirt that said if they kill Daryl, we riot.

SPEAKER_05 59:23

I and I know Daryl wasn't supposed to make it past like the first season, his character wasn't supposed to keep going.

SPEAKER_01 59:28

His character didn't exist.

SPEAKER_05 59:30

Yeah, but it was so he was so popular. And I was like, if they take Daryl, I swear to God.

SPEAKER_01 59:35

In fact, he auditioned for the role of Merle.

SPEAKER_05 59:38

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01 59:39

And which eventually went to Michael Rooker, and they loved what what he did so much, Norman Reedis, that they created the character of Daryl. They've milked they've milked that cow to death at this point.

SPEAKER_05 59:54

I mean, that's another show that was so good, and then that series finale was just the biggest piece of shit let down because there was no ending to The Walking Dead. I knew they had plans for spin-offs. But all they did with that last episode was be like, if you want to know what happens, watch the three other shows we have coming out. I'm like, no, can you just close this chapter for the love of God?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:22

Agreed. I uh um are you familiar with the term jump the shark? So, brief history here, folks, for those of you who don't know. There used to be a show in the late 70s, early 80s called Happy Days.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:36

Oh, yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:37

So everybody remembers the Fonds and Richie Cunningham and Arnold's and all that. So Happy Days was a very popular show, ran for a long, long, long time, until the infamous episode where the gang goes to the beach.

unknown 1:00:52

Oh man.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:53

Okay, I have in my mind something involving either like a jet ski or water skiing.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:01

You are correct. You are absolutely correct. In this episode, okay, the Fonz gets roped into or cajoled into this stunt where he is gonna water ski and he's gonna jump over a shark that they have contained in a net just offshore.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:21

Yes, okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:23

That show, that single episode, destroyed the show. Oh no. And it was canceled shortly after. So now, in the industry, when a show has run its course and it's still going, we know it should have ended, we it should have been done ages ago, and it yet it's still going, they've jumped the shark.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:45

Gray's Anatomy.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:46

Gray's Anatomy jumped the shark. Walking Dead jump the shark. And I think the Walking Dead jumped the shark when Rick left.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:57

Yeah, man, they stretched out that story way too much. And it kept like, and that was one of the things. Like, we're getting to the end, and we know Rick is alive, we know Michon's looking for him, and we're like, they have to show it. The show is ending, we have to see. And they're like, No, you don't get to see what happens to them. If you want to know, go watch the spin-off. And I'm like, fuck yourself, man. I'm not gonna watch your spinoff around.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:21

100%. And I have not watched.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:23

I haven't watched a single one. I refuse.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:25

Do you know what I did? I went in and I read the synopsis. It saved me a shit ton of time and a shit ton of effort because one of the things, and my wife pointed this out, we were both huge Walking Dead fans. We were sitting there watching it, it was around season nine, I think. Maybe not even that. Like she bailed way before I did, so it's probably much earlier than that. And she looked at me one night and she goes, Okay, what the fuck? And I go, What do you mean, what the fuck? And she goes, It's the same fucking thing. We go over here, we get a safe spot, zombies come, we have to find another safe spot. We get over here, we find a safe spot, bad people come, we have to find another safe spot. And it's just over and over. She goes, I'm out. And we went back to watching Survivor. So jumping the shark is a absolute term, it's an absolute thing, and shows need to be cognizant of that. I also think that when they're writing some of these shows, they ought to invite a handful of fans into the room just to go, hey guys, this is probably a bad idea. Disney would learn a lot from Star Wars fans like myself on what not to do because there's a lot of shit they're doing. We're going, okay, first of all, that's not necessary. Second of all, that's not canon. You're fucking up the story with this story. So, you know, JJ Abrams, why'd you fuck up my Star Trek universe?

SPEAKER_05 1:03:51

To make money.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:51

Now we have the Kelvin timeline, we have this timeline, and it's all a money grab. If your product is good, you don't have to worry about that. People will watch.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:02

So that's just that's just my take.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:05

I think it was also so disappointing because Walking Dead is one of those shows that started so strong.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:10

Incredibly strong. The first man, the first episode just grabs me. You know, this guy wakes up in the hospital, everybody's gone. The hospital's shot up, there's wreckage everywhere, there's bodies stacked everywhere. What the fuck is going on? And then he gets to the double doors, don't open, dead inside, and then the hands come out and start rocking on the doors, and I'm going, What the fuck? Loved it. And it was so strong for so long, and then it wasn't. Yeah. And then it wasn't. So Kelsey had given me some homework this week. And due to some technical difficulties that were well beyond. Okay, the dog did not eat my fucking homework.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:58

Yeah, we had some streaming difficulties. If you listen last episode, I told Mike he had to watch the first three episodes of Buffy the Vampire Slayer because that is my most rewatched show.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:08

Questionable.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:10

It's it's probably concerning how many times I've rewatched the show from start to finish.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:16

I I tend to agree with that. So uh I am gonna uh to everybody listening, I am fully committed to going back uh when I have the opportunity to watch some of the TV show Buffy. Part of the reason I was assigned this was because I'm a fan of the movie Buffy the Vampire Slayer with Christy Swanson. Kirsty Kirsty? Christy? Christy Swanson and Donald Sutherland. Great. Not so big a fan of the TV show. Now, with that said, I did watch several clips on YouTube, including a whole thing about Dark Willow.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:56

Okay, Allison Hannigan, I just want to say for the record, I love you. I think you're fantastic. Fantastic. This one time at Bandcamp, I loved you too. Okay. And just watching the clips, it was like, mmm, it's gonna be a no for me.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:10

Well, it's out of context, man.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:12

That's fair, and that's why I'm gonna go back and I'm recommitting in this moment to go back and watch at least the first three episodes of the series. With that said, because I was unable to acquire Buffy the Vampire Slayer. He had to watch my second most rewatched show. Which was called Supernatural. Now, I'm in. Okay. I've watched, I got two and a half episodes in. So I didn't complete all three. However, comma. Very good show. So good. It's great premise. I had no idea. This show, a season is about 23 episodes. There are 15 seasons of this show. It is ridiculous.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:57

And I've rewatched it from start to finish three or four times.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:01

Stop.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:03

That's commitment. It's so good.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:06

It's one of those shows where it's like, I've watched everything else that's new, and I just go back. I just keep going back. I get that.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:13

That's why I just re-watched Breaking Bad. So I I sit down and right out of the gate, very pleasantly surprised by the appearance of Jeffrey Dean Morgan. He's fucking everywhere, and I love it. And thought that was great. Love the premise of the show. If you've never watched it, the premise of the show is about two brothers who, when they were very young, there was a supernatural event in their home that claimed the life of their mother. Their dad, Jeffrey Dean Morgan, spent the rest of his life or spent his time hunting whatever it was that killed their mother.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:43

The yellow eyes. Jensen Knuckles, if you're listening, fine as hell. Fine as hell.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:53

She's got a look. And uh yeah, the older son Dean joins his dad in hunting these supernatural beings or whatever they are. The younger son Sam tries to go to college and gets wrapped back in with his brother Dean when their father disappears on a hunt.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:12

And here's where we go back to good boy Sam, bad boy Dean. I've never been interested. Like, people love Sam, and I'm like, fuck Sam.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:23

You're all about Dean.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:24

I'm all about Dean.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:27

So I watched the first couple episodes, and they're really good. I watched the first two episodes and got distracted by cats. I did. And they were they were much better than not the musical.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:43

Physical cats. We just have cats playing in the background.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:48

Literally, that was a career killer for a couple people. Taylor Swift got out of it, but nobody else did, I don't think.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:54

No one survived.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:55

No one survived that Carnage. So yeah, Supernatural, first episode, really entertaining. Wrote me in. Good story, good acting, good character development. Like any TV or sh or movie or or any fictional show like this, we have to suspend belief. And there was a few things that I went, okay. Cops aren't that stupid. You're gonna definitely be going to jail for a lot longer than you did.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:24

Dude, just wait.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:26

Oh, I have no doubt. I have no doubt. Now, with that said, I could not help but notice glaring similarities to the X-Files. And I think that without the X-Files, Supernatural doesn't exist. I like the premise of the X-Files better because those are FBI agents. So there is your suspension of belief in the fact that this is the Federal Bureau of Investigation. They have a leeway and they have they have the ability to go and investigate these things. Two brothers driving around in an old muscle car with a trunk full of guns and other demonic repellent items.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:10

Where's Masalt?

SPEAKER_01 1:10:11

Where's Masalt? You know, where like there was so much going on in there, and where's my cat tie? And I don't think that Supernatural exists without the X-Files. It also reminded me of a show that I adored that I don't even know if you've even heard of, called Friday the 13th, the TV series.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:29

I don't think I know the series. So I mean, know the movies, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:10:34

So this show came out, I want to say, in the late 80s, maybe early 90s, and it only ran for two or three seasons, and it was called Friday the 13th, the TV series. That was the biggest mistake the producers could have made because it had absolutely nothing to do with the movies. Okay, I was about to ask, like, is it nothing to do with the movies? The and and for all of us horror fans, we're like, fucking great, Jason's gonna be here every week. Let's go. Nope. That is not what this show is about. The show is about uh it was a uh young guy, I think his name was Ryan. I can't remember the girl's name. Uh she was a younger girl, and it was an old dude, and they inherited like their uncle's antique shop.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:19

I'm already out. I'm not going inside the antique shop.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:24

So here's here's here's the rub. Every single item in this antique shop has been cursed. No. And it has some sort of Is there a monkey in there? There's all kinds of shit in there, right? But the uncle was selling everything.

unknown 1:11:42

Fuck.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:43

So the whole premise of the show is these three were trying to recover every single item that had ever been sold out of this store.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:50

There is definitely a string of episodes where cursed items they have to recover cursed items.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:55

In Supernatural?

SPEAKER_05 1:11:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:56

Okay, so that is a direct pull from Friday the 13th, a TV series.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:01

Supernatural does a lot of Easter eggs with other shows, and it's really good. And there's actually one, and it's much later in the show, where Sam and Dean are coming home from a hunt, and Dean has one of his dad's weapons that they found in like their dad's collection of stuff.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:17

We would call that an artifact.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:19

And he throw they're talking about the hunt. Dean's talking about using his dad's weapon, he throws it down on the table. It's Lucille.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:28

No.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:31

That's good. Oh good. That is super good. And I'll in the first episode, and I love that they did this because it bridged a gap for me and it made some things okay for me. Because I'm watching the episode, first episode, and I'm going, oh man, it's just the fucking X-files. They're just rehashing the X-files in a different way. And they were in the middle of an investigation and they were talking to some of the cops on this bridge, and as they're walking off the bridge, two FBI agents came walking up, and I think it was Dean looks up and goes, Hey, Mulder, Scully, how you doing? And I go, Okay, now I'm okay with it because you just acknowledged that this looks like the fucking X-Files to me. So now I'm okay with whatever you throw at me. Yeah. Had they not acknowledged it, I would have been like, okay, you're ripping off the X-Files. But the fact that they acknowledged it, they in my way, I thought they paid homage to it. We're good to go now.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:28

And they're it and they do touch in the show, um, you know, them running in with the cops, the FBI, like eventually that does get touched on about like, you know, you can't keep getting away with this stuff. Right.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:44

Like, homie's got a cigar box full of different badges, and I'm going, I don't think that's gonna work all the time.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:50

Yeah, so that they that happens. There's store there's storylines with that. Um I love the lore of supernatural, like when they talk about the monsters and the things that they're fighting and the demons. A lot of it ties into like real lore surrounding that stuff, and I like that.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:11

I'm a big fan of that as well.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:12

Like we get into like Leviathans and stuff.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:15

Well, I mean, yeah, episode two, they're talking about Wendigos. And that's in America Native American folklore. The first episode, the woman in white, that is that is witchy folklore. So I am a big fan of the mythology of all that type of stuff, and it's also the way it's presented.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:32

If you present it in a way that I can get on board, great. If you present it in a jump the shark kind of way, not so much. So I did enjoy it. I will probably watch a few more episodes. If I lose interest, obviously I'll drop off, but right now I'm I'm kind of into it. And then once I figure out our technical difficulty, I will go back reluctantly and watch some of Buffy the Vampire Slayer TV show because I just I never got on board. I I missed that bus.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:03

Yeah, there are a couple of buses I miss too with shows, and that's fine.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:07

Um, I think you know, I've heard good things about vampire diaries, but before I would watch vampire diaries, I would want to watch True Blood.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:16

Oh man, True Blood is so good. Dirty show. Dirty, dirty show. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:25

I did not know that. What's uh what Anna Packwin's in that? Yeah, and is it Skarsgard? Skell and Skarsgard isn't like Skarsgard. Alice, okay, he's in that too. Yeah, I've heard good things. It's it's an HBO show.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:38

Any show HBO makes some raunchy fucking shows. They'll show anything.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:43

I mean, there's that, and if it's an HBO show, I tend to give it a little bit more weight than other networks.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:52

You know what show I watched? I was way too young, and but I but it's HBO, so I like kind of snuck in and watched it. Real Sex.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:00

That show is great! That show is great! But I was like a young teen watching that show, way too young. Probably because probably I mean, they just they went for it.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:12

Yeah, they went for it, but I mean some of the best shows I've ever watched, one of my favorite shows of all time, Sopranos, HBO. One of what's arguably considered the greatest show ever made, The Wire.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:25

See, these were shows that I know are big, and I was too young to watch them at the time. And so I've I've never You've never watched The Sopranos. I haven't. I haven't watched The Sopranos, I haven't watched The Wire. There are ones as an adult that I need to go back and watch. But yeah, those those were the ones that like passed me. The Sopranos Because my parents didn't watch them. My parents didn't watch them, so I didn't watch them.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:49

You know, it's interesting. Um, I know somebody close to me who refused to watch The Sopranos because uh were not happy about the way they felt Italian Americans were portrayed in that show, and I can understand that aspect of it. It is still a fantastic show. The wire is a great show. Six Feet Under is a fantastic show that had the most satisfying ending of any TV show I think I've ever watched. That's up for debate. Uh, but if it's an HBO show, I'm definitely looking at it a little bit more serious.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:24

Yeah. So there's I love Sex in the City. Sex in the City I watched. I love that show.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:29

There's another show that jumped a shark.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:33

Yeah. Well, with their with their spin-off.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:36

With the and just like that.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:37

And just like that. Which is now immediately done. It's been canceled because people are just they we hated it.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:43

Nobody wanted that.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:44

It was garbage.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:45

Nobody wanted that.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:46

And just like that, it's golver.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:48

It's over. Okay, well, I have a little surprise for you.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:54

Yay.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:55

Um, because you know, I just like to do surprise type things. And we have a little bit of time that I think we can fit this in. So we're gonna play a game. This game is gonna be name that show. It's a quiz for you, Miss Kelsey. Now, you have ten questions.

unknown 1:18:14

Oh shit. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:16

There are ten questions, mostly ID style, with a couple of quotes and some clues.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:22

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:22

You get one point each with bonus opportunities.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:26

Oh my god. I'm sweating.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:29

Now, here's the thing. If you score between eight and ten points, you will get your choice of a prize where you can pick a couple different things. One, I have to perform a dramatic reading of the Lizzie Maguire movie monologue.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:44

You know, Lizzie McGuire never got into it. I never liked it.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:47

Perfect. Then I'm not good because I didn't want to do that. Uh, you could pick the next retro show I have to watch three episodes of. Um That was the dog. That was not me. That was the dog.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:04

And Finn is giving his opinion on how he feels about that.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:07

Uh or uh you get to make me sing the theme song of your choice next episode. If you score seven or fewer.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:16

Oh, fuck me.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:18

I get to pre I get to pick a cringy early 2000s show for you to watch. That's providing you haven't already seen.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:26

I love it. I love cringy shows.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:30

Uh or you have to watch a full episode of Walker, Texas Ranger, and give me a full report on it.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:37

Okay. None of these sound horrible so far. Like a written report?

SPEAKER_01 1:19:43

Uh I I would think an audible report would be plenty fine. Or you have to post a story doing a TikTok dance to a nostalgic theme song.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:53

Yeah, not doing that.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:54

But you're a dancer. We'll come up with something else. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:00

I've already done a tick-tick. Can we pull the one that we did in lockdown?

SPEAKER_01 1:20:05

Oh my god, I remember that. I was wearing a bandana like a like a like a cowboy. I still have that on my phone, too. That's hysterical. Okay, so here we go.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:16

Now I'm nervous.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:16

Kelsey's trivia. It's a good thing you're not gonna mess up. You're gonna be fine.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:20

My brain never wants to work when I need it to.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:23

Well, we're gonna find out, I think. Question number one. This show featured twin sisters who moved into the Tipton Hotel with their mom.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:36

Twin sisters that moved into the Tipton Hotel. I know. Oh, that sounds so familiar.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:44

Sisters. I know a show about twin boys that moved into a hotel. What is that? Uh, Sweet Life of Zack and Cody.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:54

That is correct. I'm not sure why.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:57

You chat GBT'd this shit, didn't you? Okay, folks, here we are.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:03

I don't even know what you're talking about, all right? I may have had a little help coming up with the.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:07

I'm not worried about AI because I'm like twin sisters. I know the show's sister sister, but they're not in a hotel.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:15

That's just gonna make this even more funny.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:17

Jesus Christ, if I get these wrong now, it's chat GPT's fault.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:23

And while ChatGPT? Well, ChatGPT.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:27

Yeah, he didn't use ChatGPT. He used the B version ChatGPT.

unknown 1:21:32

That's odd.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:34

I looked it up while I was taking a do.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:39

He loogled it.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:41

Yeah, it was Lugal! I used Lugal instead of Google while listening to Motley Lou.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:47

It was great.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:48

Okay, question number two. Did I do that?

SPEAKER_04 1:21:53

Did I do that?

SPEAKER_01 1:21:54

So she already knows the answer to that.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:56

Family Matters, Steve Herkel.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:57

Thank you, thank you. Number three, which show followed six teens, six teens at Bayside High along with their principal? Mr. Belding. Mr. Belding.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:13

Um saved by the bell?

SPEAKER_01 1:22:17

That is correct. So Kelsey is three for three. Question number four. Which show featured three sisters, Prue, Piper, and there she is. That's four.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:29

I love you, Cole. Cole and Peepy. Cole and Peepy forever.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:33

See, this is again why it would be difficult to get her to watch cringe TV shows because she's seen all of them. I love them. The cringe, the better. Like literally.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:43

Except the new charm fucking sucks. It's like a dick new charmed. Sorry, not sorry.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:51

Don't sugarcoat it. I want you to tell us exactly how you feel about the new charm.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:55

Yeah, we'll talk about that in the next episode.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:57

Okay, that's we're gonna be going there, so yes, save on the save that guy. Okay, question number five. Kelsey has four points. What cartoon featured a boy with a football-shaped head?

SPEAKER_05 1:23:11

Oh, uh, oh, oh, oh. Um fuck. I want to say it's the name of my head coming up is Arthur, but I don't know if that's right.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:23

You're very close.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:24

I know.

unknown 1:23:25

Fuck.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:26

You are so very close.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:29

I know that's not right, but it's so close to being there. I see his head and I can see the girl who is annoying too.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:44

Hey, Arnold.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:46

That is correct.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:47

Hey, Arnold.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:49

That is absolutely correct. That is five for five. I had a feeling you were gonna excel at this. Very impressed so far. We are halfway there. Number six, this sketch comedy show launched careers for Amanda Bynes, Keenan Thompson, and Nick Cannon.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:10

Um that she knows the theme song.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:19

Oh, I love it.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:20

I love Amanda Bynes sketches in that one.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:22

Oh is she the one that that has gone off the rails? She is.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:28

I mean, what what childhood star hasn't?

SPEAKER_01 1:24:30

I you I find it.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:32

Especially like 90s childhood stars.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:35

Look at Justin Bieber right now.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:37

Rough time for them.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:38

And I I absolutely, my heart goes out to this kid because And Brittany. It's screamingly obvious that they're there these are people that are in in trouble. Yeah. And instead of helping them, I'm not sure what we're doing. Yeah. Okay. Uh, question seven. What show starred Lizzie, Miranda, and Gordo navigating middle school? Lizzie. So fucking stupid.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:08

You were gonna use this as one of my punishments, too.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:11

I know, I know. It is so bad. Fuck. Those terrible folks. My apologies. I need to be better prepared than that. Question number eight. This show followed teens at a performing arts high school and starred a young Zoe Saldana.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:32

Damn, I don't think I know this one. Yeah, I don't I don't know this one.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:37

This was actually a bit of a trick question. Because it's not a show, it's a movie.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:42

Well then fuck you. This doesn't count. Get the fuck out of here. Who the fuck are you?

SPEAKER_01 1:25:48

It was called Center Stage.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:50

If you had said that, I would have known. I love center stage. I was like, a TV show with Zoe Saldana, a performing art school.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:59

Yeah, we tried to throw a curveball in there and uh didn't go so well.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:02

Also, center stage, it's ABA. It's a ballet performance school, not just a general performing arts school.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:10

I never saw it, so I couldn't.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:11

It's fucking fantastic. And I hate you for making me think I didn't know because I'm thinking TV shows and it's a fucking movie.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:19

Alright, so the trick question was successful to a degree, even though I'm gonna pay for that later. Question number nine. In this drama, a girl moves to a new town and starts hearing people's thoughts.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:33

I don't trust you now.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:37

This this is a TV show. It's a drama. A girl moves to a new town and starts hearing people's thoughts.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:46

It's not thoughts, but like I don't know why the only thing coming to my mind is Ghost Whisperer, but that's not thoughts. It is not Allie McBeal.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:57

It is not Ghost Whisperer, and it is not Allie McBeal. Although I am a fan of Ally McBeal. I think they jumped the shark too, if I'm not mistaken.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:07

I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:08

That would be Joan of Arcadia.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:11

Never watched that. Never even heard of that.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:13

I'm familiar with Finnagree. Finnagree's. I am familiar with it. I too have never watched it though. And your final question, which if you don't get this I don't think the center stage one should count.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:26

It doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:27

You're already, you're you're well, actually, no, you're at seven. Suck a dick, Mike. You're at seven, so you need this one. I will fucking kill you. You need this one. And I'm not gonna lie, this is a toss up. If you don't get this, I will be extremely disappointed.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:45

Don't say that.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:46

Okay. Okay, I'm not angry. I'm just disappointed. Finish this theme lyric. So no one told you life was gonna be. This way.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:01

So no one told you life was gonna be this way.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:06

And you get a bonus point for clapping. So that is correct. That is the female.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:10

That's a joke, you broke. Love last Dio.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:13

It's like you're always stuck in second gear. Don't sue us. Do not sue us. You can't sue us. We're doing it on our own. It's a cover piece. Thank you very much. So that was very well done. Thank you, Miss Kelsey. You do win. Congratulations. So you get to pick my punishment.

unknown 1:28:29

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:30

What were my choices again?

SPEAKER_01 1:28:32

You can. Well, we're not doing that because I just refuse. You can pick the next retro show I have to watch. I can. I'm not doing that.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:45

I like how you are choosing what you get to do and not do.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:47

I mean, well, okay, I can buy you socks with 90s TV characters on them. Right. Exactly my point. You don't want that.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:56

Did you ask Chat GPT? These are absolutely Chat GPT answers, aren't they?

SPEAKER_01 1:29:02

That one is. That one is 100% one. I got lazy on the box.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:07

Stop wasting water. I'm so mad at you for wasting water on these.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:11

I wasted a lot of water on this as a matter of fact.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:15

You're the worst.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:16

Oh God, that's too funny. So you can come up with. Oh no, it would. I can't.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:23

What palette is he giving me?

SPEAKER_01 1:29:25

No, can't do it. I was gonna say, oh, okay, I'll I'll maybe I watch the jer an episode of the Jersey Shore, so I can't do it. I can't. I can't. I can't.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:35

Can't you?

SPEAKER_01 1:29:36

I can't. I'm not. I won't. I won't. I refuse. I no.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:43

Mike's gonna wake up one day, strapped to his bed, with his iPad over his face.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:50

That escalated quickly. VR goggles.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:53

And I just gonna have a Jersey Shore black. And his eyes are gonna be taped open.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:58

It's gonna be like a clockwork orange, except it's to Jersey Shore, and I'm gonna lose my fucking shit. That is too funny. Well, congratulations. You won the game that you did not see coming, which is a good thing. I like to I like to throw a little curveball in there. Make sure that Kelsey's still up on her skills, which she is as usual. So love a little boost of cortisol in the morning. I mean, you know, it's good for the health. So, what did we learn? What are our conclusions today?

SPEAKER_05 1:30:32

I don't know. Mike, what did you learn about me today?

SPEAKER_01 1:30:37

I learned that I learned that uh taking a do is sometimes the first first thing that comes to mind, although we don't know why. I learned that Gray's anatomy made you sob like a child.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:53

I never said that.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:55

Um you inferred?

SPEAKER_05 1:30:56

No, don't put words in my mouth.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:59

So I'm just gonna I'm just gonna say that, you know, that was a thing for you. Um and that you well, I already knew this, but you have a propensity for some of the worst TV that's out there, and the worse it is, the more you like it in some cases. I mean, I don't know why that is, but I mean it could be the shittiest show in the world, and you're like, we're watching the whole season right now. So these are things that I have learned.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:24

Speaking of shitty shows, next episode we've learned about what Mike was raised on. We've learned about what I was raised on. Now we're gonna come together next episode to talk about what people are being raised on today. The new generation. The new generation. So Mike and I together is homework because I feel like reality shows have really taken a launch. Um, that seems to be what people talk about nowadays. So we will be watching three episodes of Love Island.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:02

I've heard things about this show. I'm gonna refrain for comment because the only thing I know is they throw a bunch of people on this island, and I guess they're all horny.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:10

Yeah, no, not neither of us have watched any of this show. So we're gonna come together, watch it, and we'll give our opinions from uh Gen Xer and a millennial.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:19

I mean, honestly, it sounds like a swinger's version of Survivor, but what do I know? Like, I don't know. I've never seen this show. So we're gonna give that a shot. We're gonna talk about streaming and how that's impacted network television and network TV shows, the difference between waiting a week for a new episode and having an entire season drop at once, Amazon. So there's a lot of good stuff coming. We encourage you to follow us, like, comment, give us topics, give us questions. We'll be happy to answer or respond to some of those. Uh until then, some of those.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:51

We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:55

So that is gonna be our episode for this week. Thank you, Miss Kelsey. It's been a lot of fun, it's been very insightful.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:01

Thanks, Mr. Mike. No worries, no worries.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:04

It did sound a little bit weird. Let's not call me that. I don't like that. So I'm gonna go take a do. And I can't.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:11

That is gonna be the mantra now. You said it. We're changing the name of the podcast. We're gonna change the name of the podcast to when you're taking a do.

SPEAKER_05 1:33:23

That's the part that gets me every time. You know, you never know what's gonna come out of my mouth sometimes.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:28

Or the other end, apparently. I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_05 1:33:30

No, I'm not talking about me taking a do.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:37

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:38

All right, folks. Well, until next time, keep your TVs on, keep your movies moving, and we will see you next time. Have a great week.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:46

Thanks, y'all.