Before You Explore The Jakpa Bandwagon 4

Thinking of relocating abroad? This eye-opening podcast challenges the popular “japa” trend and helps you make informed, strategic decisions before taking the leap. Dr. Olumide Emmanuel shares deep insights on economic realities, personal readiness, financial intelligence, and the hidden truths many ignore.

Before you pack your bags, tune in to gain clarity, avoid costly mistakes, and discover whether relocation is truly your best path—or if greater opportunities already exist where you are.

Transcript

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Let's lift up our voice once again in Thanksgiving and honor to God for the success of the just concluded Kingdom World Conference. Let's lift up our voice and all the breakfast.

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Let's fight thank you for all the floors. Thank you for that.

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In Jesus mighty name we have given thanks. Father, we thank you because indeed you are a good God. Thank you, Jesus. Thank you because you are a faithful God.

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Thank you, Lord.

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Thank you for the success of the just concluded conference. Thank you for your faithfulness.

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Thank you, Jesus.

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Lord, we thank you because as days rose to weeks and weeks rose to months, we'll continually see the manifestation of your glory.

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Amen.

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We give you glory because you are just too good to fail.

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Amen.

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Thank you for this awesome service.

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Thank you, Jesus.

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Do what you alone can do. Amen. In Jesus' mighty name we pray. Amen. Hallelujah. You may please be seated. Uh so today we're going to be spending time, it's more like an open house session. Um, we'll spend the last three weeks on the series on vital considerations before you join the Jakwa bandwagon. And this morning we just want to take time to answer some questions. Um, so the ushers will go around. If you have any question that you like us to clarify or discuss with reference to what we have shared in the last three weeks, uh, feel free to write down your questions, give them to the ushers, and then we'll see how far we can go within the time that is available to us. Um, some questions, loads of questions have actually come in online, but we're gonna take some of them while we are waiting for the questions here. This looks like a very long one, but um, going to try and see. This is from Helen from Coventry. Hello, Doctor. I stumbled upon a clip where you were talking about marriage. Is your marriage strong enough for relocation? And that caught my attention and led me to go look for the series. I've listened to all the series and I wish I've heard this before leaving Nigeria. I've been married for 12 years before leaving Nigeria four years ago, based on a mutual agreement between my husband and I, that I will come with the children and he will be coming to see us once every quarter. He did that for the first year, and then COVID hit, and for over a year he could not come. And that has put a great strain on our relationship because I've been struggling alone with three children. The lockdown also affected his business, and now he just comes. He came once last year, and he has not even come this year now, saying that he's very busy and he doesn't have money to be going up and down. I have I have told him that I'm ready to return with the children because I can't afford to lose my marriage, no sex, no companion, no help, and yet he doesn't want me to return. And now I'm confused because all we do now is sexting an online XXX and I feel dirty after all this because I can't lose my Christian faith on this issue. So, what advice do you have for me on how to go about this? Do I just move to Nigeria with the children without his permission? Or how do I continue? Well, you are laughing, but it's serious. It's serious. I really don't know what to say than to say that you guys need to have a serious sit-down. Because many times communication, as far as I'm concerned, is the bedrock of any relationship. Effective, open, honest communication. And I think there needs to be that honest communication because um the lockdown, nobody planned for lockdown. So, like you said, in the first one year he was coming quarterly. Now lockdown came in, he couldn't come for over a year. Within that one year that he didn't come, that it was lockdown. Nature aborts vacuum. So within that one year plus, he has probably adjusted to life without a family, and to adjust back is something else. And then from what you have said again, the lockdown has affected his business. So finance is an issue. You need to know that when a man does not have money, it's not just I don't have money. Man and money, man and his work is connected to his purpose and his identity. So when a man does not have the kind of money he needs to take care of responsibility, it messes up a lot of things about him. And for him to keep coming, if the business is not moving and there's no money, it's really an issue. And you now say you want to return with three children, you are seeing it from the point of, oh, let me return and go and face my marriage. And he's probably seeing it from the point of all the money he has already spent. And he's thinking, so this is the end, now, and then when all of you now come. So it's really a very challenging one. I I can understand that. But the solution is communication, it's not something that an external person like me can help you with. It's something that if I'm going to be able to help you, two of you need to sit down and we need to have some honest communication and discussion to know um what is really happening. Because this is already October and he has not come this year at all. So it's possible that some other things happen during lockdown that has opened another portal that it's making Nigeria more enticing than coming to see you. It's not, don't judge, you know, it's not it's possible that there's nothing, but it's also possible that uh, and unfortunately, you have to settle for sexting and all this uh immoral manifestation. God will help you, we'll pray for you and trust God for a miracle. But communication is the key. Two of you need to seek counsel together. Uh, this is from Jerry. Jerry, okay. Jerry is in VI, okay. Um hello, sir. Thank God for your life and all that you do. I've been following you since the lockdown period. Your Insta-Life sessions, your messages have changed my life. I've been binging on your YouTube messages, and you are just so funny, practical, balanced, and raw. And I am the I'm the I'm one of the beneficiaries of your teachings. I'm also an example of the picture you painted in this your Japan series. My wife is mounting heavy pressure on us to relocate, and yet I'm the sole provider to carry all the load. I've set her up in business twice, it ended in zero. To go and get a job, we have two kids, and she says she would rather stay with the kids. And now she wants to relocate and put me under another financial body. I'm doing well here, and I don't believe relocation is for me, but plan for the children to go after their first degree, which we agreed on. And now with ASU, she's now saying, which first degree? Can they go now? And the ASU thing is not even matter. So, what's your advice on sending children abroad after secondary school instead of waiting for them to mature? And how can one handle a wife putting one under pressure? Now they make man to become kidnapper and arm robber. Pastor, please help. I've got I've tried to even get her to listen to this series. She's not even interested in listening, so that at least if she hears the message, she will see my perspective. Please help me, man of God. Okay. Is there any question here? Because there are so many online. Well, it is well. Let me start by speaking to the issue of pressure. As a man, please understand the greatest need of a woman is security. A woman needs to feel secured in her home, and there are seven levels of security that a woman requires. And one of that level of security is financial security. A woman needs security in her position to be sure that I'm the owner of this home, I'm the wife here. No, there's no side tree, there's nobody else contending with my position. So she needs that there are seven levels. The second, another level of security is financial. She needs to be sure that at least I'm okay. My children are okay, things will turn out fine. And you need to understand that as a man, when you are getting married, the way women are raised in this part of the world, women are raised to depend on their man. Women are raised to look forward to their man coming to be a provider. And you, as a man, when you are not able to provide, it makes the woman to feel insecure. So this pressure you say she's mounting on you is a function of the environment we live in. She has friends, she has family members, she has people that have relocated. The spirit of the relocation is more like a spirit that even the strongest of the strongest are being convinced and are being tempted to consider that option. So I want you to understand the pressure and to know that it's not necessarily that she's a bad woman or she's a wicked woman, she's just a woman that wants security for herself and her children. That being said, you need to understand as a man, I think I mentioned it um while we had this series. You see, one of the challenges we have in marriage is that a lot of men have refused to confront issues in their marriage because they want peace to reign. And now you see, that fake peace is not peace. And especially Christian men, if it's unbeliever men now, they can dabaro everything, scatter everything. But especially Christian men, we have this man say, ah, I don't want trouble. Let's just uh let's just allow sleeping dog to lie. But you can't allow sleeping dog to lie if it's lying on the bed you are supposed to sleep on. So when a woman is pressuring you and it has come to a point where it's getting at you, it's time to sit down and have the hard decision and have discussion. In your boanika daru katusha. It's time to sit down and face the reality and say it the way it is and express yourself so that she can get clarity. Because now you are saying I need to make man go become kidnapper so that you will not become Evans. And then at the end of the day, the woman, where is Evans' wife and children today? Now nobody knows. If you don't jack back, leave the man. So listen and listen well. Don't ever allow any human being, wife or husband, parents or spouse or anybody to lead you in the negative part or to lead you to do anything that is contrary to your conviction, contrary to your value, contrary to your belief, and that will be contrary to the will of God for your life. Because at the end of it, marriage now here is start, now yeah in the head. When you are there arrive in the other side, there is no Mr. and Mrs. You are arriving before God by yourself. So you might need to sit down with her and let her know that this is not going to happen. If you want to relocate, let's sit down and have a discussion. Because there are some things that should not continue. Because if you find yourself under that, you won't know when you will manifest and do what you're not supposed to do. To the real question of children. Now, please listen to what I'm saying attentively. Listen. Whether you send them away after secondary school or you send them away after first degree, it's not really about when you send them away, it's about what you send them with. What is inside them when you are sending them. Because you see, there I said something about university education in Nigeria being cheap, being one of the cheapest and the best in some courses. Now, depending on the kind of course that your children want to study, because there are some courses people want to study that are really the courses that will help their future, it's not available in Nigerian University. So it means that if they have to go through first degree year, they may have to go for a second, third option and now go to master's and begin to try to readjust life. And again, if you are sending people away, they finish secondary school, they have never traveled before, and you send them abroad without putting God and value in them, they may not return normal. Because you have no idea the curriculum, the influence of the environment that you are sending them into. There are people that have sent their children out and they return gay, they return lesbian, they return ATIs, they return all kinds. You will be shocked at how your labor can turn around and you will regret it. So it's not really about whether it's secondary school investing or second degree, it's about ensuring that if you have a plan that your children should school abroad, start the plan from when they are young and start instilling responsibility, values into them and start helping them to have a worldview and a global perspective and start helping them to understand the place of decision and consequences. Because you see, let them understand that look in life when we start out, you depend on me. So you are in the what we call the dependence stage. But once you become an adult, we go into interdependence. We depend on each other. So you come, you're an adult, you bring your view, I bring my view, it's your life. And then by the time we get to another point, I have to now depend on you, not necessarily for you to sustain me, but because you are younger, I'm older, I'm in my old age, and then you have to be there like a covering. When you help them understand all these things, it's very, very important. Another thing you need to help them to understand is the economics of education. Please listen and listen well. You were not created just to give birth to children and raise children. Parenting is not the sum total of your purpose for existence on earth. And you need to be able to sit down with your spouse and your children to determine what level of education you consider to be your responsibility. Hello. I was in Portakot sometime early this year. A single parent was there, and this single parent is a single parent of three children, and she has been able to struggle to raise them. Um, one of them is in the university, two of them are in the university, the second one is in secondary school, and she's saying that it's really a burden, she doesn't want to remarry, that but that the first one now is now talking of masters, and that she doesn't know how to that she's feeling like an irresponsible parent. And I told her straight. As a single parent, if you raise a child, the date that child graduates, the destiny of that child is in that child's hand. Don't put yourself under any pressure for any master. That's certificate where you don't give out, you have tried. Because many times we put ourselves under unnecessary pressure over children. I can tell you stories, but it's not because you are not a loving parent. What is the yardstick for your love? Is it graduating, taking them to school to graduate? So if somebody has BSC, you have done enough. I said, you need to sit down with that your son and let him know, Bubba, you are an adult. With BSC, start your life. I've done the best I can do. Because if you start that master journey, the second one feels no graduate, the third one feel no even go invest. So these are things because so you need to sit down for that economic aspect. You are going abroad to pay school fees abroad. Because many parents have held, we just did a meeting. Uh, was it two weeks ago? Uh up on Friday 31st at the Shelatin. A woman was there, one of the people that just joined the uh mentorship platform. She's over 60. Those that were there know the story. She says, Sir, where have you been all my life? That all these things you are saying, it looks hard, it looks difficult, but we that have suffered it, we know that I trained my children. My husband, we are still married, though, we are doing well, but we train these children, send them abroad, they all finished. I'm a lawyer, I'm a chief judge. The children are in law, they all did law, none of them is coming back to Nigeria. That they are all there now, we are all on our own. They don't even want to return, they are not even concerned, even to come for all they did. Nothing, so what is now the benefit of all the labor, labor, labor you labor over them, thinking that they will come. And then maybe you say, You say, I have a friend, she's a major um owner of a civil station, very major person. Recently, she was sharing how that she took got divorced. She got divorced maybe like 17 years ago. Single parents, raised boy and girl, going to London like two times, three times a year, taking care of these children. And she said, for the first time in her life, she recently realized that she's actually alone. Because when these children were young, they will come home, she will go. He said, Now they are finished school. That last December she was waiting for them to return the way they normally used to play together. She has a planned program where they will go together. He said, The minute they landed, the next day, the second one carried his back. Mom, um, I've I'm going out with my friends. Well, they have come with their own agenda. He said, The one that is a woman who left. He said, They came in one day, within two days, they have all left. She was alone all through Christmas. For the first time in 17 years, after training them, she now realized that woman, you are your own. You are alone. They are old now, they have they have found their life. So many times, all these children, children, children seen is the major bondage of many couples, all in the name of and take care of children. At what point do you stop and have a life? Or else you will now grow old and resent the children because you don't have a life, even though they didn't beg you to do what you did. And at the end of the day, you now think that you want to use them for your retirement plan. Children are not a retirement plan. So, my brother, whether it's secondary school, you want to send them if you have the money after secondary school, because ASU, we all know the challenge. And private university is there, you can try private university, watch their life, take them through the process, then they cannot go after that. But God will help us because parenting is only God, nobody knows it all. It's after your report card will only come out after 18 to 20 years. And in parenting, it's like Nigeria. You can do everything right and still turn out, and you are wondering, two children can be raised in the same home with the same value, and one will turn out bad, the other one will turn out good. So it's only God that can help us. Okay, since we have a physical one here, let me leave the online one. Okay, if God has inspired you to relocate for the time being, but you want to have something working for you back home, but you but your business has not started, how do you go about living abroad and having a thriving business in Nigeria while abroad? It's a very serious matter. You say you have not even started. So if you have not started, I don't know how you are going to start and then submit, you know, because you see, once you don't understand, anytime you want to do things, study the psychology of the environment you are in. The psychology of the Nigerian environment is I can't come and kill myself. Monkey the walk, baboon, they chop. Let me see how I can quickly get my own and blow. So for you to be abroad, you can go and ask anybody and have business in Nigeria, and some people are managing the business for you. So we're going to work for you, good there, brother. It is the psychology of the environment does not support that kind of because not many people have personal values and personal leadership to handle other people's things like their own. So if you really want to follow that path and you have a time, I will advise you to go into partnership. If you are going into partnership, it therefore means that whatever business you are starting in Nigeria, you are not the sole owner of the business. And from day one, you put all these things in your partnership agreement so that even if you are away, the person can manage it. And I really don't know why. If you feel that God is leading you to relocate, I don't know why you are now thinking you must have something here and it must be a business. It doesn't have to be a business, it can be an investment. And that's why I'm very passionate about real estate. It doesn't take any time. So if you have money, go into real estate. By the time you buy a lot of real estate and you are getting your return, it's once a year you have to discuss rent. Even if you do short length, there are people that can manage that for instead of doing business. Because business in Nigeria. Please, church. I did my membership class between 1999 and 2001 twice. Do I need to do it again? Yes. Once you leave Calvary Bible Church without formal information, for six months, when you return, you are no more a member. That's the policy of the church. If you are leaving the church, you should write to us. Because see, the Bible says, those who honor me, I will honor. There's so much dishonor in church. You are in a church for five years, six years, seven years. You claim to be a member, we bless you. My daddy, my daddy, my mommy, my mommy, and then you want to leave the church, you just disappear like a nobody. And then you can you want to now show up again like a vagabond. It doesn't work like that. We don't encourage all those kind of irresponsible Christianities here. This is a family, and you can't just disappear from your home and show up again. You are no more a family member. You have shown yourself not to be a part of the family. So if you are leaving the church, you see we are sending off people, even if you are going to another church, going to another state, let us know. Let's send you off properly. If you do that, even if you return after five years, you welcome back home. But if you do not do that, after six months, when you return, you are starting another way. So even though you have done it two times, you do the third one. Good morning, sir. Please, how did you make it when you jackwatt the first time? Who welcome you? I've never jacked out. I don't know what to mean. I've traveled. I've been traveling for a while. So I travel a lot, but my own is not a jackwa, it's a visitation. Okay. Pastor, I heard this on radio on Friday. A man was lamenting that his mother-in-law is encouraging her daughter to get married to another man from abroad so that she can go abroad. Then when she gets there, she will now send for her husband. The husband was the one that called the radio station, asking what he can do, because he's not in support. But the wife is determined to go from Jenna. Well, my people, that's what poverty can cause. You see, poverty has messed up a lot of people's lives, and kingdom values, family values, personal values have been thrown out of the window. You have no idea. I think in the midst of the series, I still told you of a couple years, the husband and wife agreed. The husband don't go now, saying go get baby mama, they go do RNG, bring the wife. Now you don't go. The thing don't hook, the woman don't hook up for the wife too, don't they bring man can't sleep when children they see up. So you don't have, and they will still come to church and be lifting up on holy hands, looking like normal people. When I say many of you are not normal, it's not an insult. I know what I'm talking about. In this same church, we have had two people engage as an engage, and the brother and the sister agreed because somebody won American visa lottery, that the brother will go to registry with another woman in Nigeria so that when they go there, they could do American lottery, go company, and nothing is so. I can tell you stories upon stories. In this same church, we had the woman that said that they should change the daughter's name to her brother's name so that the brother can adopt the sister, their daughter, so that the daughter can go abroad. And the other said, How can another man adopt my own child? And she didn't see anything wrong in it. She was even the one that came to report the husband. So another person will carry my own child, change their name because you know, people sometimes I don't understand. I say, Do you know what that means? You are telling a man that is not man enough to take care of his own child. The child will not be bearing your brother's name, which is illegal, which is fake, they will not adopt lying meal, they will adopt my own child without my life, and you still don't see anything, and you people come to church. So these things are just family values and moral values gone wrong. For the woman to be interested, it shows you that there are deeper issues. As far as she's concerned, it's a breakthrough to be free from that marriage. So there are probably deeper issues, and the man, you know, God will help you. There are some questions that is only prayer we can pray for you for the will of God to be done. Since there is no other one, let me go back online. Okay, please allow it on. Hello, sir. I'm one of your distant real estate mentee. I don't have money yet to join the conclave, but I come for all the ones I can come. I was at Sheraton. That was a master blow. Thank you very much. It was impactful. Thank you also for the dinner with Dr. Cosmos last week. It was amazing. Your session that night was short and powerful and helped to put some things in perspective. I'm 32 years old, married with a child. The real estate business is beginning to do well, and I'm making an average of a million a month. I've started building, but looking at the state of things in the country, I'm thinking of relocating with my family to give them a better life. I've heard all the series, part one to three, but I'm still thinking of going with my family. So I want to sell the house and then look for a way to get people to help me manage the real estate business while I'm away and I'll be coming, you know, regularly to work with them. How do you think I can go about this issue of the business? And do you think I should sell the house? At 32, you are making a million a month. That's like 32, that's like 12 million per annum. At 32, 12 million. Do you really? I don't know, I don't know how much you think people they are making. Because many, I think I mentioned this thing. Many of you think that when they tell you I do 5,000 a month. Let me tell you something. Anybody that is earning 5,000 a month, their tax alone is like 2,000. 40k in 40%. I mean 40% in London, 5,000. So by the time you earn 5,000, you are actually going home with 3,000. 40% is already gone. Tax. Then you will now pay mortgage, you will now pay car notes. I don't think you guys even have any idea of the way some of this is work. Because all you see is over 5,000 times 730. That's your own mathematical calculation. Forgetting that if you make the money in dollar, you spend the money in dollar. So at 32, you're already at the level where you are making a million. If you put everything into that business and you scale up, you can do 10 million a month. Because there are people in the same lesson that are doing turnover in billions every year, even in this economy. So if you really decide to go, we can't stop you because you said you have listened to the series and you have still decided to go, so it's already inside you. We can't stop what you want to do. We can only advise you. So my advice will be that house, I will advise you not to sell it. If you can have a plan, since you are still young, your family is still young, you can have like a three-year plan. Complete the house so that even when you are gone, you can have a place to be renting. You can do depending on the location, you can furnish it. It becomes a fully furnished shortlet so that even when you come, you can stay there and that can be making money. As regards to the business, I will advise that you consider partnership and collaboration, or you consider, I don't know how long you have been in the business. If you have a management staff that you can bring into equity partnership in the business, that is something you can consider. And if you can't get that and you can't get partner, I really don't know because I can't tell you to sell the business, but maybe that's what you still have to do. Maybe you have to sell business and live but a business that is producing one million for you every month. Ah. It is well. Any other question? No more question. Okay. Sorry, this online. No one, don't jump on that. Okay. Hello, sir. We are the Ilechukus from the UK. We both went through all this. Somebody introduced us to the series. We both went through the series. And our challenge now is we have actually realized that moving outside the country was a mistake. Our marriage is strong, we are doing well maritally, but spiritually, we are almost dead. We have not attended church more than four times in the last six years. We've actually done online, we don't type anymore, and I was a minister, I have a call of God upon my life, but this environment does not support all this. So that aspect of is your faith strong enough? It's something that a lot of people that believe in God and take their relationship with God seriously must really consider. I've decided with my wife, even before listening to you, that we need to come back home to Nigeria and settle down and face our destiny in ministry. But my question is there is nothing to return to. We sold virtually everything, shut down my wife's boutique, and I sold my business for us to move here. We have a house here that we bought, but it's mortgage, like you know, this place. So if we move to Nigeria now, should we sell the house here? We we still have we just we just bought it January 2020 before COVID. So we still have like 20. We have 27 years more to go to pay. And if we decide to sell now, there is no real equity. We are still like same same. Okay, same same. Maybe that's the same price they bought, it's still around the same price. Okay, but how do we return? How do we return when there is nothing? The emotional moving to get a house to rent, school for children. Where do we start from? I don't know if I can get your phone number because I heard you said one time that counseling is free. Consultancy attracts a fee. I respect you. I may not have the kind of money you will charge, but I don't know if we can get your number for you to really take us through a session to help us and guide us on steps to take. Wow. Well, I can't give you my phone number, but I can give you an email address. So I don't know if you will hear this or whether. So the email addresses are overseer at gmail.com. Send me an email and then we'll probably arrange a Zoom meeting to be able to see how we can get more information. Because everything you have said now is about you alone. You have not said anything about the support system that is available or unavailable. So if you are saying there's nothing to return to, do you have parents? Do you have siblings? Do you have friends? Do you have colleagues? So I need to know because you may not have something for yourself to return to, but there might be a support system that will be able to assist you. And I also need to know a lot of things. What were you doing? What level were you in in Nigeria? Where were you staying? And all those stuff. Thank God your wife has accepted. You are all agreed to come back. So that's a good one. And um, the issue of the house in the UK, too. I'll need to understand a few details. So if you can send me an email, I'll actually be in UK in another 10 days so we can actually see physically if it's possible. But I can't give you my phone number, just send an email. That's how far we can go. Okay, um, I want us to pray, and the prayer is very simple. Lord, help me to be in the right place at the right time, to do the right things at the right time, and never to miss destiny. Open your mind and pray that prayer for yourself. Lord, help me to be in the right place at the right time, to do the right things at the right time, Lord, help me, Lord, and never miss destiny.

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To do the right thing at the right time, and never miss destiny. Lord, help me, Lord. Lord, help me, Lord.