Spider Man: Brand New Day (2026)

I welcome returning guests Hollie and Jason as well as newcomer Lance to discuss the latest Marvel movie, Spider Man: Brand New Day. We touch upon many things like Peter's weird pizza preference and his mysterious financial situation. In addition, we talk about the future of the MCU with Doomsday and what potential storylines could be used for the universe in general and Spider Man in particular.

Be advised that it contains spoilers, so if you haven't seen the film, please download to save for later and listen to one of our other fun episodes in the meantime!

Podcast may contain minimal profanity.

This episode definitely contains spoilers.

Music by Moodmode on Pixabay
https://pixabay.com/users/moodmode-33139253/
https://www.youtube.com/@moodmode - Check out my Youtube channel.
https://www.tiktok.com/@mood.mode - TikTok

Transcript

Sean 0:02

Welcome back to Scenes From the Screen, where we talk about all types of films and TV. Obscure, forgotten, prestigious, rotten, from must see to "Are you kidding me?" Big screen and small, we cover it all. Who knows? You might discover a new gem or be reintroduced to an old favorite. My name is Sean, and I'll be your host. Spider-Man Brand New Day finds Peter Parker living a life of basic solitude, keeping tabs on Ned and MJ via social media posts, detailing their time at MIT, and subsequent move back to New York. Peter sits in a dingy old apartment day after day, boosting his technical capabilities to fight crime. As a result, his alter ego Spider-Man seems to be thriving, bringing in both common thugs and heavy-hitting villains like Scorpion, Tombstone, and Tarantula, while maintaining a friendly yet distant rapport with police captain Jean DeWolff and even The Punisher. A new threat arises when an unknown nemesis with the ability to possess people's bodies draws Spider-Man into an inevitable reunion with his former best friend and girlfriend. The film is directed by Destin Daniel Cretton, who directed Shang-Chi and co-created Wonder Man. The sequel once again stars Tom Holland as Spider-Man, Zendaya as MJ, and Jacob Batalon as Ned. Newcomers include Liza Colon Zayas as DeWolff and Trammel Tillman as Bill Metzger from the Department of Damage Control. The rest of the cast is rounded out by old Marvel vets like John Berenthal, Florence Pugh, and Mark Ruffalo. As promised at the end of our last show, Hollie is once again joining us. Hello, Hollie.

Hollie 1:30

Hello, Sean.

Sean 1:31

It's good to have you back.

Hollie 1:32

Always love to be here.

Sean 1:33

And we also have a returning vet from the Scenes From the Screen universe as Jason, who joined me for Mike & Nick & Nick & Alice way back in episode two, is also here. Hello, Jason, and welcome back.

Jason 1:43

Hello, everyone.

Sean 1:45

Well, thank you for coming back.

Jason 1:47

My pleasure.

Sean 1:48

I appreciate it. Finally, in keeping it in the family, is Lance, son of Jason, who is joining us for the very first, but hopefully not the last time. Welcome, Lance.

Lance 1:56

Hi, pleasure to be here.

Sean 1:57

And it's good to have you. All right, we're going to go around first to get everyone's somewhat brief general impression before launching into a larger discussion about various aspects of the film, which includes some questions I have for the group. Uh, keep in mind that this conversation will be heavy on spoilers. So if you haven't seen it, please download, save for later, and enjoy one of our other phenomenal prior episodes in the meantime. All right, so let's start. Ladies first, Hollie, just brief. What did you think of Spider-Man Brand New Day?

Hollie 2:22

It was really good. I love Tom Holland. He can do no wrong. It was too long. Other than that, it was a good movie. It was worth going to the theater to see. The action was awesome.

Sean 2:33

And how about next we'll go to Jason?

Jason 2:35

For some reason, I was not excited about this movie. Maybe I'm just getting superhero malaise, but I will tell you after seeing it, I was very happy with it. I thought it was a great movie.

Sean 2:47

And finally, Lance.

Lance 2:49

Uh yeah, I thought it was really good going in. I wasn't totally sure what to expect after the John Watts trilogy somewhat disappointed me overall. I wasn't I was excited but skeptical, but overall I think it did a pretty good job.

Sean 3:00

I actually thought I'm kind of in the same thought as Holly and you, Jason. At first, well, your first thought. This was my least favorite Spider-Man film of all of them, and I was really excited about it because, and I'll tell you why, it wasn't a full Spider-Man movie.

Hollie 3:16

Exactly.

Sean 3:16

That really upset me.

Hollie 3:18

It wasn't Spider-Man.

Sean 3:20

It's...it felt like it was largely a setup for the X-Men.

Hollie 3:24

Mm Hmm. That's all it was it was just a setup.

Lance 3:26

That's pretty accurate.

Sean 3:26

Yeah.

Hollie 3:26

And for the new Avengers.

Sean 3:28

Well, absolutely. And the fact that I mean it's it's Spider-Man's story. So why throw in all these people? At the very beginning, and I was really invested because they had street level villains, even like Tarantula, the Scorpion, that was cool. And then they kind of go that separate way with you know, and again, we talked about spoilers, but...

Hollie 3:45

Spoiler

Sean 3:46

...here. I I I honestly I was guessing, it kept me guessing for a while who it was. And did anybody guess somebody else?

Hollie 3:52

I had no idea who it was gonna be, but I don't know all the Spider-Man villains, which I should...

Sean 3:56

Right.

Hollie 3:56

...because I was a comic, not reader, like the Dorks were, but I watched the Spider-Man comic on Electric Company, so I know Scorpion, but I did not know. I'm thinking, who the hell is this gonna be? And when it showed you who it was, although I love that actress and I like that character, I didn't want that character in this movie.

Sean 4:15

I I agree, I agree. I don't know what you guys thought about the revelation that it was Jean Grey.

Jason 4:20

I didn't know who it was, I had no idea. And then when they they showed her name, I turned and looked at him like, whoa, like I didn't see that coming.

Hollie 4:28

Not at all.

Sean 4:29

I thought at first because they introduced which I thought was cool, Jean DeWolff. Like that part of the movie and Spider-Man and his interaction with uh Ned and MJ and DeWolff, that that was great. I mean, that's what the Spider-Man movie should have been about. You know, and when I thought, oh, Jean DeWolff, and I don't know how many of you guys know this going back to a long time ago, but I was like, oh, well, a Sin Eater storyline, which might be cool. I don't remember that the Sin Eater having those powers, but Morlun, as I recall from like in the early aughts, maybe would have had that ability. I thought maybe it's Morlun. Like, and I I had to look up the name after the movie. I uh that name did not come to me, but the Sin Eater did. Of course, it was none of that, it was just a big old setup for a Stranger Things type of bullshit with Jean. I mean, that again, I was really I was actually getting angry at the film at that point. Anything with anything without that and overloading it with you gotta have the Hulk in it, you gotta have Punisher and you gotta have the...I don't care, I just want to see a Spider-Man movie, you know.

Hollie 5:21

That's what that's why I said to my my mom, I said there were way too many extraneous people from other movies. Like I really and but all of those characters and all the actors that played them, I really love. I just thought there was too many in one movie. Like Florence Pugh, I thought that was appropriate because that's what Black Widow does. So I thought she was awesome in it. We didn't need, I think the worst addition was Mark Ruffalo as as the Hulk. That was a waste of time. And I and I love Mark Ruffalo, but I hated that.

Sean 5:49

And I could see why they did that in a way, but it's yeah, I mean, I just we didn't need it, right? But you didn't need the quote unquote villain in that movie either, you know, other than to introduce her to the which that should have been done in another film, maybe like Doomsday or Secret Wars.

Hollie 6:07

Everyone knows who Jean Grey is. We don't need to introducte her.

Sean 6:07

Well, I mean, introduction into this new universe, yeah.

Lance 6:09

Being in I think introducing her in Doomsday would have made way more sense because that because they're introducing a lot of the X-Men into that movie, into this universe, and I think that would have been a much more natural introduction for a character like that, as opposed to just throwing her ass backwards into a Spider-Man movie.

Sean 6:23

Yeah, she felt like really shoehorned into that film, and I don't think that was anybody's fault, but and here's where I'm gonna go with you said Marvel, like not Marvel, but superhero malaise. At this point, uh, the way it's going, I I I'm not really invested in anything Marvel anymore. I'm just really not because and and this is really the turning point. Like they kind of lost their way and it kept up with them for a while after you know the whole Thanos thing was done, which I like some of their shows, like Man Thing was Moon Knight was great, you know, Vision Scarlet Witch, but they're really starting to I think lose people in a way.

Jason 6:55

Yeah.

Sean 6:55

So

Jason 6:56

Well I mean...

Hollie 6:56

Go ahead.

Jason 6:57

This was like Captain America: Civil War. It's it's a Captain America movie in title only, otherwise, it was an Avengers-like movie, which is like, and I think that's what one superhero doesn't seem to be enough for the studios anymore. They feel like they gotta throw the kitchen sink at you to get your attention and keep it, which is unfortunate because to your point it detracts from the actual character.

Sean 7:19

Which the first three were, they were largely. I mean, yeah, you had appearances by others, but it wasn't as well, here's we're gonna jam everybody in in every scene, and yeah, that was that was just kind of annoying. Yeah, like I said, if it focused on the dynamic between him, MJ, and Ned, that was definitely necessary to tell that story. But uh I think if they would have either followed through on just him trying to rebuild his life with his friends in a different way, or just moving on. I thought maybe that girl who he met in the elevator was Gwen Stacy. I'm like, okay, maybe they are gonna go that way. That makes sense. They decided not to, not gonna bother with that.

Hollie 7:51

No, I I I will not have that.

Sean 7:54

You will not?

Hollie 7:55

I will not have that. No, it's it's I I think I thought the love story aspect of it was awesome, and I thought Tom Holland played that very well. Like his his loss of his true love, and he was sad, and he can do that, and he did it very well. I liked that aspect of it, and like you said, the old fashioned I don't know the word for the old superhero villains. I really liked. I liked DeWolff, I thought her character was amazing, and that made sense in it. I just think they went too far. I think they should have only had Black Widow and nobody else. Maybe the Punisher, because John Berenthal was phenomenal in this, and we didn't watch the Punisher TV show, but I loved his character, I thought it was really funny.

Jason 8:33

Yes.

Hollie 8:33

And he he made it...

Jason 8:35

He's very good for that role.

Hollie 8:35

Yeah, it really fit. So that was okay.

Sean 8:38

But they did change it here to make it more wacky and comic...

Lance 8:40

Oh absolutely.

Sean 8:41

...which I I that I did not care for as much.

Hollie 8:43

I liked it.

Sean 8:44

I mean, I like I liked to see it, but it did not, it doesn't fit the Marvel universe.

Jason 8:47

Mmm Hmm. Correct.

Sean 8:47

And especially when you do it just for this movie, maybe?

Jason 8:50

Right.

Sean 8:51

I don't know. I that's again, that just seems like I don't know. I did like if everybody else caught them, the homages to all some of the old covers. Amazing Fantasy 15 and the Tarantula one. Yes, yeah, that was really cool. I think it was well directed, but I did prefer the I mean, maybe the original director, maybe again the writers for the first three films, I think got me more because it was more for me character focused on them. So, like when they went to talk about Jean Grey for I don't know how many minutes, I'm just like, is this did Spider-Man leave the film? What is going on here? Like, why are they I don't why do we need to see this?

Jason 9:25

Right, a lot of expose that didn't need to be in that movie.

Hollie 9:29

Right, they could have had her be the the villain, not villain, whatever, and then not really delved into her story and it went back into her story like you said in Doomsday. I'm excited to see Doomsday. I didn't realize Thor was in it. So sorry, I'm there. And Anthony Mackey.

Sean 9:48

Yeah.

Hollie 9:49

What else do you need?

Sean 9:50

Yeah, Pedro.

Hollie 9:51

Pedro's in it. It's like a woman's best movie ever gonna be that one.

Sean 9:57

Yeah, I mean, there are hardly any women in it, I guess. But I mean, it's so...

Hollie 10:00

The really good women are dead.

Sean 10:01

I guess for a guy, they're just appealing to the comic book...

Jason 10:03

Right, yeah.

Sean 10:04

...which, you know...

Hollie 10:04

Which works.

Sean 10:05

Uh it does, yeah. But like I said, I think I think it is getting to be a little bit superhero overload.

Hollie 10:10

I think too, they they blew their wad with Thanos. I think they had that kind of world-ending, you know, planet-ending character way too soon if they wanted to keep having these things. Because like the Florence Pugh character says, Black Widow says, you know, you're small potatoes. And that really it once you have that huge thing, you go back to getting the bank robbers, like you know, I think Spider-Man, if it would have had not the other characters, that could have been fine. And why didn't anybody help him?

Sean 10:41

Nobody ever does anything.

Hollie 10:43

If you're gonna have all these superheroes be all friends now, how come no one can't came to help him? The poor kid.

Jason 10:48

Right.

Hollie 10:49

Like he's crying, his eyes are turning black, ain't nobody coming.

Lance 10:51

And that's the issue with this, is that you introduce him into this larger universe with all these other already pre-existing characters, and it's but at the same time, you want to have that friendly neighborhood Spider-Man story, so it's that crux of well, you want him to have that friendly neighborhood story, but at the same time, we know these other characters exist, and he needs help, so they can help him. So it's just...

Hollie 11:11

Right. Mmm hmm.

Sean 11:12

Like he did get a little help in each of his earlier films, but it wasn't overwhelming where it's there was his major threat. I mean, they were realistic threats in a way in within the comic book universe. But this I thought was again really not for this film, you know. So let me ask you guys a question. Uh, these are some of the things that came to mind. Unless anybody else has anything right now that you want to add.

Jason 11:32

Nope. Fire away.

Sean 11:32

If something comes up, please let me know. All right, so here's one question: why is a native New Yorker getting Little Caesars delivered?

Lance 11:39

Oh my god, yeah, we need we really do need to talk about that.

Hollie 11:41

I did not see that.

Lance 11:42

I know I know it was product placement...

Sean 11:43

I t was.

Lance 11:44

...because, but you're absolutely right. No New Yorker's getting Little Caesars, period.

Sean 11:49

And the only reason I thought that he would do that is because, and maybe it's a follow-up question is is he saving money? Where's he getting the funds to to build all this high tech?

Jason 11:56

I was thinking that.

Sean 11:56

And he kept adding to it.

Jason 11:57

Yes.

Lance 11:57

That's a good point. Yeah.

Jason 11:58

Right. I'm like, where's this money coming from?

Hollie 11:59

He got money from from Stark.

Lance 12:02

He had to have left him money in the will that was never mentioned.

Hollie 12:04

I always assumed Tony Stark...

Sean 12:06

But there's no Peter Parker, so who's he leaving it to?

Lance 12:08

That's actually a good point.

Sean 12:08

Is he leaving it to Spider-Man?

Jason 12:10

Yeah.

Sean 12:10

And how's Spider-Man cashing these checks? I don't like who's drawing on it. Does he have an ATM with just a spider figure on it?

Hollie 12:16

Well, there is still a Peter Parker, everyone just forgot about him. It never they never said he never existed, they said people won't remember you.

Sean 12:22

Right, but still, there's no but what but they don't really explore that at all.

Jason 12:27

No.

Sean 12:27

It's just like, I mean, how is Peter Parker getting all these jobs? How like we're how's he making this money?

Lance 12:31

How's he doing his taxes?

Sean 12:33

Right, and how we don't have any transcripts for high school. Where did you go to high school? And people forgot about him, and like how did he that's what I don't understand? Like, if they would have just said, I think that it should have been in Doctor Strange, where they forget you were you're Spider-Man, they don't forget about Peter Parker.

Hollie 12:47

Well, no, it had they had to forget like MJ and Ned had to forget about Peter Parker because being around Peter Parker made their life in danger.

Sean 12:58

Right, but if you just said hey, you forget that he's Spider-Man, then everybody forgets he's Spider-Man. Oh, he's just Peter Parker, because the stuff still happened where he showed up in all those films to save them. So then was Peter Parker there? Like, how would they just forget Peter Parker? I mean, that's I just don't...

Lance 13:13

They don't explain it very well.

Sean 13:14

No, no, and I I mean I guess a lot of it's just left up to oh hey, it's comic books, but it just doesn't make any sense in this film because again, where is he getting all this money?

Jason 13:23

Yes.

Sean 13:24

Didn't the parts where Jean Grey move from one person to another? What movie did that remind you of?

Jason 13:27

Fallen.

Sean 13:28

Immediately.

Hollie 13:28

Fallen, yes, that's what I was thinking of too.

Sean 13:31

Which is a great movie, but it didn't really...

Hollie 13:33

I kept expecting Denzel Washington to pop up.

Sean 13:35

That would have been great if he made a cameo, it just went through him and then John Goodman was standing there. And here's another one, too. And again, I know it wasn't visually shown in any of the earlier movies, and he I guess he was bitten by the spider, but uh again, how all of a sudden does it seem natural this organic fluid is also coming out of him? That just seemed really out of the blue for this movie.

Jason 13:57

So that was one of the issues I have with this movie. Is he mutating? Is he going to turn into like some fly, like the human fly type creature where he's gonna be half a spider and like have these big googly eyes and start growing fur on his arms and stuff? Like, where's this headed?

Sean 14:12

Right, and it that did happen, I think, at one point in the comics, you know, for a brief time.

Lance 14:16

Yeah.

Sean 14:16

Right. But yeah, it's I I really didn't care for that.

Hollie 14:19

Because it no, it explained it. The hormones, but that's why it happened.

Lance 14:24

It did explain it, but it almost felt like a plot device a little bit.

Hollie 14:27

It was, but at the same time, he was so alone and so only in his own mind, so his hormones increase. But now that he has other people around him and he's opening up to Angel's wife, then he's gonna have a better life, and his hormones won't be crazy and he won't be turning into a spider.

Sean 14:42

And we call her if you know that reference, Angel's wife. So the woman that plays Jean De Wolff...

Hollie 14:47

Who's also in The Bear.

Lance 14:48

I knew that, yeah.

Sean 14:50

...she's married to the guy Batista from um Dexter...

Lance 14:54

Okay.

Lance 14:55

...and his name was Angel, but they all called him Angel. So every time we see her, we see him as Angel or Angel's Wife.

Hollie 15:01

That's Angel and Angel's wife .

Sean 15:05

Let's see. Okay, here's another big one.

Hollie 15:07

All right.

Sean 15:08

Where's J. Jonah Jameson in this movie?

Lance 15:10

That's such a good point. They made such a big deal of bringing him in the last one, and granted, he wasn't in that one much, but he was at least a presence of it enough. And in this one, it's like he never existed, they never even mentioned him.

Sean 15:21

No, and the fact is he would still be pestering Spider-Man. So uh that was baffling to me. You know, J. Jonah Jameson was...

Hollie 15:27

J.K. Simmons.

Sean 15:28

JK Simmons.

Hollie 15:29

Okay, all right, I had to think of the actor. Yes, I yeah, I didn't, I never thought of where he was.

Sean 15:33

Yeah, that bothered me. You'd think it like at least a minor reference in that movie, you know.

Hollie 15:37

Yeah, yeah.

Sean 15:38

But yeah, I I don't know. I'd say like it didn't have to be a major part of it, but please. Did anybody think the little boy in the crowd at the end was Miles Morales?

Lance 15:46

OOh.

Jason 15:46

Oh.

Lance 15:48

You know what?

Hollie 15:49

Can you explain to the non-dorky people who Miles Morales is? Because I don't know what you're saying.

Sean 15:53

Well, he was in the ultimate he was the ultimate Spider-Man, so in the ultimate Spider-Man universe, Miles Morales did become Spider-Man. He is pretty popular in terms of like that whole the the Marvel comics.

Hollie 16:05

So he's not Spider-Man's not always Peter Parker.

Sean 16:07

No.

Jason 16:08

No

Hollie 16:08

See, I don't like that crap that these comics do. You can't change the superhero people.

Sean 16:12

Well, they didn't, they had the alternate universe.

Lance 16:14

Wait til you read Green Lantern.

Hollie 16:16

No, see, I'm not doing that, it's ridiculous.

Sean 16:18

Yeah, there are about a million Green Lanterns, so wait til you see the show that's coming on.

Hollie 16:21

Maybe I won't then.

Sean 16:22

Maybe you won't. There's only there's at least three Green Lanterns in this one. Two or two are headlining.

Hollie 16:27

I don't mind Black Widow because that was they made Black Widows. That was what the Russian school thing did. So I don't mind that she's a Black Widow, and that's her name, too. That's it. That's really the only way you could do that.

Sean 16:41

No, because there are different worlds with different Peter Parkers.

Hollie 16:45

No.

Jason 16:46

Yep, the multiverse screws everything up.

Hollie 16:49

It's just to make more money.

Jason 16:51

Oh, yeah.

Hollie 16:51

You know.

Sean 16:52

And they are gonna kind of put it back in. But you know, that's happened before with DC when it back in the 80s, because they had for years and years the multiverse. And I thought it was cool, they handled it well. There's so much, I guess, continuity is poor, and uh who gives a shit.

Hollie 17:06

How are you gonna have continuity with that then? You can't.

Sean 17:08

That's the thing, too. Yeah, right. So when they brought all the earths together, then it was good, but then you couldn't have continuity because, well, there wasn't, you know, some of these characters they didn't they didn't exist, but now they still do. How are you gonna put them in? So I don't, I mean, I don't know what they're gonna do with with all this, but you know, they have to find a way, I guess. But it's it's it's not a very clear path, uh, as I see that they they're they have.

Hollie 17:30

Is Spider-Man in Doomsday? Does anyone know? Because I didn't see him in the...

Lance 17:35

At the very end of the credits, it said Spider-Man will return. It didn't say in Avengers Doomsday, it just said will return.

Hollie 17:40

You said what do you think that's gonna be? You said it was something else.

Sean 17:44

I had heard where they they said because this will show incursions on different earths, that may not necessarily mean it is Tom Holland's Spider-Man because it's that things track Spider-Man, not necessarily his Spider-Man.

Jason 17:58

Right.

Sean 17:58

So the incursions when they destroy the different Earths, it could be Andrew Garfield, it could be Tobey McGuire.

Hollie 18:03

Well it ain't them, they won't...

Sean 18:03

It could be Miles Morales, and that's how he gets introduced to the MCU. So it's possible with anything, but that's one one theory I've read.

Hollie 18:11

I don't like that.

Sean 18:12

And speaking of it, I'm glad you brought that up at the end of the movie. So that tracker was created by someone who went to MIT and it looked like it was like a 16-bit from 1985.

Lance 18:22

Like a GameBoy game.

Sean 18:22

Yeah, I'm like, this is it looks stupid.

Jason 18:24

Right?

Sean 18:25

I mean, it really did to me.

Hollie 18:26

That was an homage to the comics.

Sean 18:28

I don't know how because I uh I mean the the theme was well, the theme was the homage to the old Spider-Man TV show, T well the comic or the cartoon series...

Hollie 18:36

Right?

Sean 18:37

Which is kind of cool, yeah. But yeah, I that's what I didn't understand. I'm like, well, why did that look so poor? You know...

Hollie 18:43

I mean, yeah, Ned made it.

Sean 18:44

Yeah, but I mean he's graduated MIT. Did he? I mean, did he really? Do we know for sure? Or is he just fucking around on TikTok saying it?

Lance 18:51

Yeah, MJ was talking about, you know, I I got this job and everything. Ned never once mentions anything about that. It is possible he's just coasting at this point.

Hollie 18:58

Yeah, but who knows? He's just living with MJ.

Sean 19:00

Right, but I mean, how are they making money at this point? She's turning down jobs. That's also how are these people living in New York without you can't live in any other city? How are they living in New York for God's sake?

Hollie 19:09

Yeah, she turned down the job.

Sean 19:11

Yeah, she did.

Hollie 19:12

They have that nice apartment in Brooklyn.

Sean 19:15

Yeah, oh yeah. Brooklyn's cheap.

Lance 19:16

That's about three grand a month.

Hollie 19:17

Oh, yeah.

Sean 19:18

Well, the final thing, too, and this doesn't really have anything to do with the movie per se. I've never had an experience like that walking out of a film.

Hollie 19:25

Oh, yeah.

Sean 19:26

It was definitely quiet. It was like a funeral.

Lance 19:28

It was very quiet.

Hollie 19:29

Why?

Jason 19:30

Interesting. I didn't think about that.

Sean 19:31

Nobody was talking. I mean, I know I can't hear well, but I'm like, what there's like well, you can hear a pin drop.

Jason 19:35

Yeah.

Sean 19:36

Like I made a joke to her because we were coming down the stairs, and like I feel like just dropping my stuff. Like, hey, can you guys throw this away? You know, and I was like, I don't want anybody to hear me because this is gonna kick and nobody's talking.

Hollie 19:45

Yeah, nobody was talking.

Sean 19:46

Nobody had any conversation. I've never ever seen that before.

Hollie 19:51

Especially out of an action film.

Sean 19:53

Right. And I didn't expect everyone to stand up and cheer and everything because there's no reason to in that film, but doesn't that seem weird to you? That there's like is it maybe we're losing a sense of I don't know, society, like because I mean everyone used to talk about movies. Oh, hey, that's cool. Like it was everyone doing a podcast, maybe, because they don't want to talk about it. I don't know.

Lance 20:10

Yeah.

Hollie 20:11

I think though it felt like like almost walking out of Schindler's List, like you would expect everyone to be quiet after such a film like that. But this you would I expected more talking, and I knew I couldn't talk because you won't let me. But other than that, like as soon as you know, I found people to talk to...

Sean 20:26

You could talk to other people. I wanted to wait till this to talk to you because I I truly wanted to see what like people thought about it, and I I figured I'd be in the minority on this one. I don't know why, but I I I would. I was just severely disappointed with this.

Hollie 20:38

I like the I thought the movie overall as a movie was really good. I thought the action was good for the movie.

Sean 20:42

40 to 50 percent of it was good.

Hollie 20:44

I thought I loved all of it. I think Tom Holland is the perfect Peter Parker.

Sean 20:49

I agree.

Hollie 20:50

He's cute, he's boy next door sweet, he's just the perfect Peter Parker. So I I love the three of them in the movie and all the extraneous characters, although I didn't think they were needed. I thought they were all really well done. I just don't think they were necessary, except DeWolff. I like that.

Jason 21:06

I think a contributing factor to the silence might have been there's only one stinger, it was at the very end of the credits so you had to sit through the entire roll of credits to get there, and then it stunk as a stinger. Like I was like, yeah, that's it? So I think everybody sat there like that's it, and then I got up out of almost anger, like, I'm leaving.

Sean 21:23

Right. Yeah, and that's...

Hollie 21:23

Not the best end scene credit. Yeah, it wasn't.

Sean 21:27

Yeah, I thought I was expecting a lot more, and then it just stayed dark. Didn't like the music come on, used to come on or something, like at least like a Muzak or whatever. I mean, nothing. It was like it was just literally dead silence.

Jason 21:39

I told him that as we're walking out. I didn't pick up on the silence right away, but I said, We need like some music, like it's like a library in here.

Sean 21:45

Yeah.

Jason 21:45

I told him that on the way out.

Hollie 21:46

And the lights, usually the overheads go on more. There were no, and that's probably why people were quiet. Like, maybe we felt we had to be.

Sean 21:52

Yeah, did did we miss something now? I mean, because like again, it would come up like remember the old thing came up like this film has been rated PG or this film has been rated, not like one thing and um it was so weird to me. Was yeah, it's and I don't know.

Hollie 22:04

Maybe it's a new AMC.

Speaker 5 22:05

I mean, at least I got my nachos because I was but that was $20 nachos.

Lance 22:09

Yeah.

Sean 22:09

So the nachos combo is $20. I mean, that is just insanity. You know...

Hollie 22:14

Should I tell people what you made me do?

Speaker 5 22:16

What, I made you? I'd oh I put it in her purse... jalapenos.

Hollie 22:19

He sneaks in extra jalapenos.

Sean 22:21

Not extra because I know like if I... one time I went to get them, they're like, Well, we we don't have enough. And I'm like, Well, that's not my problem, like that's that's your problem...

Jason 22:28

Right, yeah.

Sean 22:29

You know, so I'm like, I'll just bring my own from now on. So I buy everything there, it's not like I'm stiffing them.

Jason 22:32

Yeah.

Sean 22:32

It's like I'm bringing in my own, like you know, but yeah, it was 20 bucks for that and the drink. I'm like, that is just really yeah, too much.

Jason 22:40

All right, so here's the one hang up I have. So when he was in the hospital, and I I had this thought in my head, and didn't have a mask on. And I'm like, here we go. Everybody now knows Spider-Man's Peter Parker. It's like the spell had zero effect because he's right back where he started, but now he's got the the fallout of but MJ doesn't love him anymore and that doesn't really know him. And then they did the and then they showed... spoiler... they showed The Punisher wearing the mask while he's walking out unnoticed. And like, well, none of them know it. And I he's like, Well, they don't know it. I said, The hospital staff does, the nurses, the doctors, there are people that know Peter Parker's Spider-Man. So they made no acknowledgement of that. Oh, we're back to square one, nobody knows who he is. Yeah, bullshit.

Sean 23:26

Yeah, and it's like the spell was never.

Hollie 23:28

And the ambulance driver...all those people that, and you know, if someone's bringing Spider-Man into the hospital, some ass is gonna have their cell phone on, clicking pictures to see who he is... selling that shit. So yeah, I agree. I got a little irritated because I'm thinking they know who he is now.

Sean 23:43

Especially when you walk down the hall, people are like, hey, clapping. That's what I expect. It was the staff at least to clap. Nope, nobody acknowledged it whatsoever. Yeah.

Hollie 23:51

Guy comes out of the Spider-Man room.

Jason 23:53

What I would have enjoyed... I just thought of this right now... would have been a great stinger. Punisher waits there for the people that are on duty and he kills them as they're walking out of the hospital to maintain Peter's secret.

Sean 24:06

Yeah, he switches back like with the real Punisher, which you like, you know, not this fantasy world Spider-Man Punisher.

Jason 24:10

Yes.

Sean 24:11 Sean 24:11 Hollie 24:12

Did you know who he was. You saw.

Jason 24:13

Yep.

Sean 24:15

Hey, did you see that guy in there? All right.

Lance 24:18

Go ahead, Peter. Take a walk. I'm gonna talk to these people for a second. No, you go ahead, buddy. Blah, blah, blah.

Sean 24:24

I did think he was a good Punisher. I mean, he really I haven't watched the show at all, but again, because I'm I'm getting kind of superhero overload. I thank God they're pumping the brakes on a little bit. Although they they renewed then canceled Wonder Man. I liked Wonder Man.

Lance 24:38

I saw that that made no sense.

Sean 24:40

Yeah, I mean, just I I enjoyed that show, and you know...

Hollie 24:42

I thought they're they're not gonna do it now?

Sean 24:44

No, they renewed it like right away, and then I just read the other day, oh, it's canceled. The guy's up for an Emmy nomination for it. I just I don't know. Yeah, that's I thought and maybe they do think it's gonna be too much, but I'd rather watch that than another movie like this, tell you the truth.

Lance 24:57

Yeah, definitely.

Hollie 24:58

Well, I think Doomsday, I want to see it because I I am invested in some of the other characters that I really like now. So I do want to see Doomsday. I am a little irritated about the actor playing Dr. Doom. That does not make any sense to me. That's just stupid and ridiculous. There's millions of actors.

Jason 25:14

Yep.

Hollie 25:14

You don't need him.

Jason 25:15

Right.

Hollie 25:15

So I don't know if they're gonna do something with that, which I just think is stupid.

Sean 25:19

I think it's an alternate earth good guy, Dr. Doom, in a way. That's what I'm guessing.

Hollie 25:24

I think I think it's an alternate earth bad guy Stark.

Sean 25:29

It could be, absolutely could be.

Hollie 25:30

And these actors, and and I do like that they're changing the stories a little bit, not necessarily putting new people in the same role, but changing it up because some of these actors are too old to play superheroes, and I don't want to see some of these people running around chasing the bad guy anymore.

Sean 25:45

Right. Like Thor, you can actually well, Chris Hemsworth probably asked to leave at some point, make it Beta Ray Bill. That way it's uh it's a character who is not human, so you can get a human guy like Josh Brolin, someone I hope not Josh Brolin plays another role, but someone else to inhabit that role is just the voice, like Bradley Cooper did with Rocket Raccoon.

Lance 26:04

Yeah, you could do that.

Hollie 26:05

Oh, okay.

Sean 26:06

Yeah, and Beta Ray Bill is this he's just a different type of Thor. He he took up the mantle after something happened to Thor. This was back in like the 80s in the comics. Uh, I can't remember exactly the story, but he was a cool character. I'm surprised they haven't you know at least shown him yet.

Jason 26:18

Right. Yeah.

Sean 26:19

But you know anything else that you thought of?

Jason 26:25

Not about the movie, but she made a comment earlier about you know the the bad guy in Doomsday and where do you go? You should have waited to introduce Thanos. And that's the one I'm gonna watch the movie, but that's the one thing that bugs me is during the trailer when Thor makes a comment that we've never faced somebody. I'm like, how can you get bigger than Thanos? Like, yeah, this is horseshit. Like, where are they going with this?

Sean 26:45

Well, I...

Hollie 26:46

You just wiped off half the population.

Jason 26:48

Yeah...of the universe.

Hollie 26:49

Yeah. Destroyed planets, but then they're gonna go, oh no, this guy's worse than that. Like, that's just...

Sean 26:56

Another thing I've read, and I'm sure if anybody's read it, Lance has that it's he's not referring to a person, he's not referring to Dr. Doom, he's referring to the incursions...

Jason 27:05

Okay.

Sean 27:05

that are wiping out the earth. That that's possible to kind of mislead you a little bit...

Jason 27:09

Okay.

Sean 27:09

...but I don't know, which is more far more interesting than just one person.

Jason 27:13

Yeah.

Sean 27:13

I'm not excited about it as I was coming out of this movie. Yeah, I'm just not because Fantastic Four was terrible.

Jason 27:19

Yes.

Sean 27:20

It was not and I'm sorry, the Thunderbolts was not great either.

Jason 27:23

No.

Hollie 27:24

No.

Lance 27:24

No.

Hollie 27:24

And I wanted that...

Sean 27:25

So you're incorporating all these in there, which I didn't like in the first place. That's like oh we were asking me if I wanted an animal style In & Out burger. No, the regular one sucks. Why the hell would I want more of whatever sucks? You know, so I don't know. I'm sure I'm gonna piss a lot of people off the In & Out thing because people love it. I don't, I think it's overrated. It's not horrible, but it's just overrated.

Hollie 27:42

Yeah, I want one now that keeps talking about it.

Jason 27:44

Right.

Hollie 27:44

I think you should just to see. It's it's it's average, but I mean it is. That's, you know. I forget, I don't even remember the Thunderbolts.

Sean 27:52

Yeah, the Sentry. Well, you know why? Because Lewis Pullman was in it, who's really Mr. Blank.

Jason 27:56

And he is he's oatmeal.

Lance 27:58

He was perfect for the void, though. Like that's a perfect.

Sean 28:00

I yeah, he was.

Hollie 28:01

Oh, was that the at the end he's standing there?

Lance 28:03

Yeah.

Sean 28:03

Yeah, he was The Sentry slash Void.

Hollie 28:05

Yeah, I didn't enjoy that at all. Yeah, and Sebastian Stan was in it, and I didn't like it.

Lance 28:09

I think the main issue is the fact that A, there was no buildup to Doctor Doom because they obviously had to pivot when Jonathan Majors got fired so they were panicking. That's why they hired Robert Downey Jr. to begin with, so that way they could have an easy bank on getting people back. But I also think that they I think they messed up in the sense that Doctor Doom is a Fantastic Four villain. I think he should have been the main villain of the Fantastic Four movie, and I think Galactus should have been the new big bad because Doctor Doom is a villain. Don't get me wrong, he's done a lot of terrible things, but Galactus is the world devourer. And if they really wanted to do something to one up Thanos, I think Galactus would have been the better choice.

Hollie 28:44

Even the name alone. Yeah. And my Doctor Doom that I remember is the kind of like the everyday guy. Not everyday, but you know, like he's not alien and all that stuff.

Sean 28:57

Right, he's the normal, yeah, basically human who's in the you're right, who's like a megalomaniac. Right. Yeah. I I mean I agree with Lance on that. They yeah, they I I don't know why they went that way.

Hollie 29:04

They don't use the villains the best at all. They just haven't.

Sean 29:08

No, but that everyone does that. I mean, uh the Justice League tried to do that with they didn't choose Dark seid, but it was Dark seid's minions. They were heading towards Dark seid. I'm like, why are you starting with that? That's why I like when when we were when they did Starro. Like, that's cool. Like Starro was it's ridiculous, but it's actually cool you went with that. Yeah, I don't know. Like I said, it's but it's all it's fan service to get people in the seats, but eventually that's gonna dry up.

Hollie 29:28

It I think it is, you know, a little bit, but I mean it's they're still making money, but the money that they're spending has to be astronomical, especially like when you looked at the preview for Doomsday, the the actors in that film alone, forget about the special effects and all that other shit. Just those people, how much money goes out to those people?

Sean 29:51

Yes, I agree.

Hollie 29:52

Like I mean, even this Spider-Man you're talking a lot of firepower, even right now.

Sean 29:56

Right.

Jason 29:57

I saw a trailer, it was like a little 30-second trailer, and it was nothing but a camera panning across the back of all their chairs with all the actors' names. This actor, this actor, like boom, boom, boom, and it was like 15. I'm like, oh my god, who's not in this movie? Just looking at the chairs.

Hollie 30:13

And it's not people that make you know minimum salary.

Jason 30:16

Yeah, right.

Jason 30:18

Is this the biggest question I have? I saw Anthony... Falcon was in Doomsday. Is the Winter Soldier?

Sean 30:27

Yeah, he's in Sebastian Stan's in it .

Lance 30:28

Bucky, yeah. Yeah Bucky's in it.

Hollie 30:30

Okay, then I'll watch it.

Sean 30:30

Yeah, yeah, he is. I think he was in the trailer. It was one of the trailers.

Hollie 30:35

I didn't see him. I didn't see him in the trailer.

Sean 30:36

Yeah, he was like brief briefly. You did see him.

Hollie 30:38

Okay.

Jason 30:38

Yeah.

Sean 30:38

So...

Hollie 30:39

I their I thought their show was one of the best ones.

Lance 30:43

Yeah, the Falcon and the Winter Soldier?

Hollie 30:44

Yeah, that was awesome. I mean, their their chemistry in that show was my favorite of them.

Sean 30:48

Yeah, they've been doing something better on the TV shows than the movies lately.

Hollie 30:52

Well, the Loki one got a lot. I like it.

Sean 30:53

I liked Loki a lot.

Jason 30:54

Yeah, I did too.

Hollie 30:55

At the end, I it was too much.

Sean 30:56

But I think they wrapped up the whole thing, and they there was no need for Kang after that either, because yeah, you literally wrapped up all the time stuff.

Hollie 31:01

Isn't that that guy you mentioned?

Lance 31:03

Yeah.

Hollie 31:03

He's gonna play Kang.

Lance 31:04

Yeah.

Hollie 31:04

Yeah, okay.

Lance 31:04

Jonathan Majors, yeah.

Sean 31:05

Yeah, I mean, so the perfect ending, you don't that's why they switched to Doomsday. But again, it's I I don't know. And the Secret Wars, I know they're probably going with another one because I read the one from the 80s, which I wasn't I didn't think it was great. It was okay, it was fun seeing them all together, but it didn't make for a story. But I think they're going with one they did in like the 90s or 2000s. There was another Secret War, not the sequel...

Jason 31:25

Yeah.

Sean 31:25

...in the 80s, but there's a whole other one. Again, I don't know.

Hollie 31:28

How many secret wars did they have?

Sean 31:29

A lot of yeah, they were not as secret as you think. So anything else? Anything else before we wrap up?

Jason 31:35

No, I think you can tie it up with a bow.

Lance 31:38

I know. I I think it was overall, like I said, I I like it. I like the action scenes. I agree with Hollie. I think the action scenes were much better directed than they were in the Jon Watts trilogy. That was my biggest issue with those, is I felt like a lot of the action scenes were very... like the cuts were weird and they weren't edited as clearly as you would want. And that's my biggest thing I can say that they did well in this movie. You can clearly tell it was the Shang-Chi director because a lot of the scenes reminded me of Shang-Chi.

Hollie 32:04

Yes, I agree with that. I yeah, I didn't notice that, but yeah, definitely.

Lance 32:08

But yeah, but aside from that, I think story-wise, it was very lacking, and like you said, it was very, it felt like not so much like a Spider-Man movie. It felt like Spider-Man's here, but there's 15 other characters. And I just I I know they're gonna make another one. This one already made like almost a billion dollars in three days. So...

Hollie 32:23

Yeah.

Lance 32:23

...I hope going forward they just they get a better footing on that.

Hollie 32:26

Yeah, I think they need a real traditional Spider-Man movie...

Lance 32:28

Yes.

Hollie 32:29

...because they have the cast for it that would carry it.

Sean 32:31

So we we always go to rewatchability. So there's three different choices. One, you just kind of turn it off when you see it's on TV. Another one is yeah, you kind of catch a glance and maybe scroll your phone. And three, it's definitely rewatchable if it's on TV. So, Lance, is it re which version of rewatchable is it for you?

Lance 32:46

Uh, I would give it a two. I don't think I would, you know, if it's on, I'm not gonna be like, oh, anytime it's on, I gotta put it on. But it's also not like I'm I'm skipping past any time, like, oh, I can't watch that. Like, if I if it's a Sunday afternoon and I don't really have anything else going on, I see it on, yeah, it's going on.

Sean 33:00

Jason.

Jason 33:00

What he said. Absolutely. It's it's not like Jaws level or if I see it's on, I gotta watch it, but it's not something I'm gonna avoid either. If it's on, yeah, yeah, okay. I'll watch it.

Hollie 33:09

I actually would like to see it again, just to catch some other things that you all mentioned, especially some of this stuff I don't know. But I I actually like the movie other than it being long. Like I enjoyed it. I thought the action was great, I thought the acting was phenomenal. I thought it was touching and it was romantic and it was sweet and it still had the action. So I would definitely watch it again.

Sean 33:31

Yeah, I mean, I liked all the stuff you just said. I liked the the interactions between him and I think the more like the Peter Parker stuff throughout the whole film, the Spider-Man stuff at the very beginning, and but then uh you know, again, once it focused shifted focus to other characters, I literally just did not care. So I'd probably maybe leave it on for a few minutes, but I wouldn't, it's not like the other ones, like like uh of the four so far, No Way Home is the one I'd watch the most.

Jason 33:56

Yeah.

Sean 33:56

And then the other two are about even. No Way Home is the one with all the Spider-Men.

Hollie 33:59

Oh, that was cool.

Sean 34:00

Yeah, I mean, I really like that.

Speaker 1 34:03

I link the one with what's his face as the bad guy?

Jason 34:04

Jake Gyllenhaal.

Hollie 34:06

Yes.

Sean 34:06

Mysterio, yeah, which was a great choice.

Lance 34:08

Yeah.

Hollie 34:08

I like that one.

Sean 34:08

Yeah, for a villain, like because nobody knew who the hell Mysterio really is. I mean, perfect. That's that's who you want. You want some like some not obscure, but he was a major villain in Star Wars or Star Wars uh Spider-Man comics early on. So yeah, pick some of those. Pick well, I guess they had the Lizard already, but like along those lines, you pick someone who's just not well known.

Hollie 34:28

Right.

Sean 34:28

You have a better chance of developing a character at that point.

Jason 34:30

Right.

Sean 34:30

You don't associate them with anybody.

Lance 34:32

And I think that was Sam Raimi's greatest strength, is he you know picked the Green Goblin and Dr. Octopus, who weren't you know necessarily super big at the time, but he loved them because he read those characters growing up and he incorporated them very well.

Hollie 34:42

I love the one with Dr. Octo... Doc Ock was one of my favorites growing up.

Sean 34:46

Yeah, which is why I love seeing him again in in No Way No Way Home.

Hollie 34:49

Yeah, yeah, I do too. All right, so well, thanks everyone for being here. Hopefully, oh well I know Hollie will be back. There's no choice sometimes. But if you guys want to come back, pick a movie. I know, Lance, we still want to do Sorcerer...

Lance 35:00

I'm gonna watch, yep.

Sean 35:01

And uh I was talking the other night, we'll talk more about the the Airport movies, which I would love to do. Talked to my friend about it too. So maybe get him on it.

Lance 35:09

Sounds good.

Sean 35:09

So all right. Well, thanks everybody.

Jason 35:11

Thanks, Sean.

Lance 35:11

Yeah, thank you, Sean.

Hollie 35:12

You're welcome.

Speaker 5 35:13

That wraps up another episode. So make sure you hit that subscribe button and download new episodes every Saturday on your favorite podcast platform. For Scenes From the Screen. I'm Sean, and thanks for listening.