Why the Best Shooters Don’t Always Shoot Matches

In this episode, we break down a side of competitive shooting most people overlook.

From running matches… to building relationships… to learning by watching—this is where a lot of real growth actually happens.

We get into:

Why working matches can make you a better shooter
What you learn by watching top competitors
The role of community in the shooting world
How new shooters can improve faster
Why giving back matters in this sport

There’s more to shooting than just pulling the trigger.

If you want to get better—or actually understand the game—this is a conversation you need to hear.

Keywords:
PRS, precision rifle shooting, competition shooting, PRS matches, shooting fundamentals, long range shooting, shooting improvement, shooting community, rifle competition, PRS tips, match strategy, shooting performance

Transcript

unknown 0:00

Stand by. You're ready. Stand by.

SPEAKER_00 0:10

Welcome back to another PRS podcast here with Guy DeMarco. Uh RO of the year seemingly for the last uh forever and ever. Actually, this since we've uh we've owned the PRS and have directed it, you have been the RO of the year. Well that's pretty awesome.

SPEAKER_02 0:29

You guys are my lucky charm.

SPEAKER_00 0:31

Yeah, maybe that's all it took, right? Um, sure. Uh so guy, you've been the RO of the year. Uh you've arrowed uh in fact RO'd with you at Armageddon, uh Armageddon Cup for a couple years. Um another podcaster. Uh you do the another GD podcast, right?

SPEAKER_02 0:54

That is correct.

SPEAKER_00 0:56

Right on. Well, welcome to the show, buddy. Um it's good to have you on here. It's good that we can we can catch up. Uh without Armageddon Gear uh Cup last year, uh we didn't get a chance to RO together. Yeah. So it's been a little bit. It's been a minute.

SPEAKER_02 1:13

Um it has, yeah. Maybe worlds.

SPEAKER_00 1:18

Yeah. Uh that yeah. Also, uh you were the RO coordinator for the World Championship at Cameo, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:26

That's right.

SPEAKER_00 1:27

Yeah. Yeah. Uh it was good. Yeah, we spent like a week and a half together out there. That's right.

SPEAKER_02 1:33

It was it was a good time. Uh it was it was long days, but it was worth it. I had a blast.

SPEAKER_00 1:39

Dude, it was cool. It was cool.

SPEAKER_02 1:40

Uh and this year we know what we're doing, so it should be fine.

SPEAKER_00 1:46

Yeah, we'll be there. Uh the PRS will be there. Um, I'll be there in a little different capacity. Thankfully, I'm not hanging steel and running all over that mountain.

SPEAKER_02 1:57

Yeah, uh, I I definitely feel for you guys. I don't know how Rusty Rusty did it at Worlds. Man's a Billy Gunn.

SPEAKER_00 2:05

He is, he is. Um, that was a good time. So uh let's start there actually. Uh you're uh you're doing the RO coordinated thing again at uh at Gravestone this year for the IPR F World Championship.

SPEAKER_02 2:18

So far from what I've been talking with Greg about, yes, I will be the RO coordinator again this year. Um they've got it pretty dialed in at Gravestone from what I hear. I still haven't had a chance to make it out there uh with retirement skill bridge and everything like that. So I wasn't able to get out there for their their the first two days out there. And but from what I've talked to Jake about and what I've talked with uh with Greg about, it's not gonna be as heavy as a lift, which will be nice, but still making sure that things flow properly and we've got pace plans and backups for everything, I think we'll be good.

SPEAKER_00 3:01

Yeah, I think you'll be all right. There's um well, as we know, the Texas is like the center of our our sport, and you're gonna get a lot of really qualified ROs, you know, that are that are good shooters, right? That you know, there to help out. Um we had really good shooters that helped out in Colorado too. I remember uh I mean we had ROs come down from you know Michigan and all over the place. Yeah. Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 3:26

South Florida.

SPEAKER_00 3:28

All the way, South Florida. That's right. Yeah. You get you guys uh Corey and Corey flew in, but me and Rick drove it.

SPEAKER_02 3:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:36

That's right. I remember that now. Drove all in.

SPEAKER_02 3:39

From his house to my house, and then my house 24 hours straight through. That's right. Corey up at the airport on time.

SPEAKER_00 3:46

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SPEAKER_02 4:18

Yep. So name's Guy DiMarco. I just retired from the Air Force after 22 years, two months, and 28 days, as the fancy little paper says. And congrats.

SPEAKER_00 4:30

Congrats. Yeah, it was thank you for that.

SPEAKER_02 4:32

It's been a weird transition. Like, I've been staying extremely busy um at my new job, which is subsecond. Um I started off doing the Skillbridge program with them, which is where the military allows you to get out of the military about four to six months early and go work for a company downtown. Um relocate if you want to, like companies uh Boeing does it, Lockheed does it. There's a lot of a lot of big companies, smaller companies um have that opportunity. And I bought a belt from Jeff, the owner, way back in the day when he was still in his garage. And I was just scrolling through trying to find something that kind of sparked my interest and the manufacturing, and uh that definitely sparked my interest. And it's in somewhat of our industry, being firearms, firearms related or adjacent. Um, and it's still serving uh a community I deeply care about, being the military guys. Uh so I I hopped in there and I started sewing, sewing gun belts and learning how to run sewing machines and the different materials and what is a you know standard this, not standard that, why this works, why it doesn't. Learned a bunch of different machines. And then I guess I like to say they found out I could excel like on the computer, and they just pulled me right into the office. Um and started just mashing spreadsheets and figuring out, you know, labor costs and you know how many, how many stitches per inch and how many inches we can we put into a belt, so how much the thread costs and all the analytics that go into that. I was figuring all that out for them. And then I moved into like doing our custom leather work and our lasering and a little bit of RD on products, and now there's uh one product that we just came out with to support another small company's product. And I literally built 55 of them in a couple of hours and drop shipped them all out to to Fort Worth for the police department.

SPEAKER_00 6:43

And heck yeah.

SPEAKER_02 6:45

I'd like to say also that they've given me a great opportunity and they're gonna pay me to go to events and rep products. So no joke.

SPEAKER_00 6:55

Yeah. So all right, so when when can we what when can we expect our PRS battle battle belt then?

SPEAKER_02 7:01

Uh I've already been in contact with Megan, sir. I've already got the sponsorship packet. I'm trying to figure out how to broach that conversation with the boss. No, but I'll be at uh I'll be at Gunline this weekend.

SPEAKER_00 7:15

You will be. Excellent. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:17

The Magnolia Madness instead of the meltdown. So I'll be there. I'll have a booth up Friday. I'll have all the digits and widgets and things you can look at. Okay. Okay. Try on, test on, buy it there, submit an order, and we'll ship it to you, whatever, whatever works for you. So we're here to support shooters of all different types, whether it be gas gun guys, PRS guys. I wore my belt to a hunter match last week or two weeks ago at the Viking match. Um worked perfect all weekend. Didn't have any problems with it. Um, I made some on-the-fly adjustments like the day before, so I could carry my bag and it would be one less thing I'd have to carry. Um figured out how to make it work and sewed some stuff up with the help of the girls in the office and let it rip, and it worked great all weekend.

SPEAKER_00 8:07

That's awesome. And and getting to be part of like soup to nuts, right? Like concept, uh prototype. Like that's that's fun. Like, that's what I miss about engineering is being a part of that like design process, like solving a problem, you know, and and and actually prototyping and like cool, now it works. Let's let's make it, you know.

SPEAKER_02 8:27

Exactly. Like the boss wanted we have a tourniquet pouch, and right now it just slips over the end of your belt, but you really can't get it to like the side of your belt or your back of your belt. And he's like, Oh, I want to figure something out. So I'd like started sketching some stuff out, lasered it up, and like sent him some pictures, and he's like, he's like, I like the idea. He's like, We're gonna tweak it a little bit. He's like, do this and make another one. I was like, sweet.

SPEAKER_01 8:49

So that's cool. That's fun.

SPEAKER_02 8:51

Just sitting there, like trying to draw stuff out in an STL file and then send it to the laser and do it. It's it's a lot of fun. Like I do miss the military because with everything going on right now, people are busy and they're not telling me what's going on, and I'm mad about it. But um I I did my time and I gotta let the I gotta yet let the young guys get their get theirs. So but it's been it's been fun. It's been it's been nice to like not necessarily get recognized, but like be a value add somewhere. Like I know it was value add in the military, but like you're really just a cog in the wheel. But to be somewhere where you're like actually affecting the bottom line is pretty nice.

SPEAKER_00 9:38

That's fun. That's fun. And it gives you purpose too, right? Uh not that you didn't have purpose in the military. Obviously, there's a great purpose there, and and uh, you know.

SPEAKER_02 9:48

But I guess you'd say you like see order impact.

SPEAKER_00 9:51

Yeah. Yep, of a smaller team and all that. Yeah. No, that's awesome.

SPEAKER_02 9:54

I mean, because there's me, the operations officer or operations see, there you go, military again, operations manager, the um, the owner. We have three full-time sewers, and then we get people on Skillbridge that have popped in and out from time to time. And other than that, it's it's us, and we're cranking, you know, close to a hundred belts out a week, and then we're moving location, and we're in a thousand square feet. I I have a picture I posted on my my uh Instagram. It's a palette of this uh this BRB breaching tool that we got in, and it's taking up like a quarter of our shop because we have a thousand square feet, and this you know, five by four pallet just takes just sitting there like in the way. We're like rolling shelves out of the way every time we got to get to one side of the office or not. But I've been having a lot of fun with it. It's uh the company's called Subsecond, it's subsecondlc.com. You're definitely gonna see me around at matches. Um trying to get to I'll be at Gunline this weekend. Uh I'm probably gonna be in South Carolina. Um I just went to a hunter match. I'll be at another hunter match in June, I think. Okay. Yeah, you'll definitely see me around. You'll hit me up.

SPEAKER_00 11:13

You'll be around. I love it. And of course you'll be a worlds. You'll be a worlds too. Yep. Awesome. Uh so where do you shoot? How long have you been shooting? What got you started shooting? Let's let's go all the way back to the to the beginning.

SPEAKER_02 11:27

If we go all the way back to when I started shooting, it would probably be like when I graduated the second grade, my dad got me a 1022. And like to like eight or nine is when I really started shooting, learned on a Ruger single six and then a 1022, and then it's literally just been infatuated um the rest of my adult life. Um, when I got to my first base, like I found the first gun store and like would just go and hang out at the gun store. And then we kind of became the gun guy in my unit, and they were like, Oh, what should I get? And I was like, Come down to the gun store. So I started selling guns for them, just bringing in customers. Um, and I've kind of done that at every duty station that I've had. Uh so California, there was a local gun shop I would take people to and like get them into a firearm that they could have in California once they did all the silly, the silliness that California requires. But North Carolina, I've been here in Florida for the majority of my career. So there's a couple of gun shops that I come to uh here, but I live in Navarre, Florida now. Um I am retired, I'm 60 miles south of Altus, so literally right here on Navarre Beach. Um I am 507 yards from the water uh as the ProFlass because I measured it once. And then yeah, I I retired out of Herbert Field, which is right down the road, and got to C-130s and the AC-130s and all the special ops guys and all that, retired out of there. Um, but I've been shooting like way before the military. I got uh really picked up in like 2009, 2010, started shooting USPSA, did that for a while, tried some two-gun, some three gun, um, Phoenix, Phoenix City, Alabama, which is right across the river from uh the Army post there. So all the AMU guys would come out and and shoot those matches. It's where I first met Daniel Horner and Casey Escobio and uh shot with those guys and then went out to uh California and it kind of died off there. But I I I found in, I got into some GSSF matches, which led to um Steel Challenge, which led met a met a buddy there, and we got into shooting some of Terran Tacticals AR matches and doing some of that. Um not a lot of three gun there, but did what we could to stay stay relevant, and then one day I just found a rifle match and it was in um I can't even think of the name of the Rid Ridgecrest. It was in Ridgecrest, so I drove all the way up there. Um and they had like an eight-man like shooting club. So like every month they'd get together and the same eight dudes would shoot.

SPEAKER_00 14:24

And I brought like a bowling league.

SPEAKER_02 14:26

Yeah, a Remington 700 with like a duplex reticle, and showed up late because I got lost uh with my GPS because it's in the middle of the Mojave Desert and finally showed up and they're getting ready to kick off their first stage, which is like a cold bore zero shot. I hadn't zeroed, hadn't anything like that. Shot all day, had some fun. Um end of the day, I was like, hey, can I you guys keep talking about like tents and stuff? Like, can I look through one of you guys' rifle scopes? I was like, oh man, that's a really really busy reticle. It was like a Vortex PT uh PST gen two or something like that. Yeah, with the Christmas tree. And he's like, What are you shooting? I was like, you can look at it, and he's like, You're shooting a dupe. How'd you hit 400? I was like, I don't know, stuff on the box 13 inches over. I was like, it was a 12-inch plate, so I just doubled it.

SPEAKER_01 15:15

Like, yeah, and that's all the target high.

SPEAKER_02 15:18

Yep. Yeah, and that's that's how I shot my first uh rifle match. I didn't come in last. Um perfect. And he invited me out the next the next weekend to shoot the 22, the NRL 22, and I shot that, and like that really got the bug in me and started doing that. Got orders to Florida, came out here. Altus is right down the street. I lived in Crestview before, so that's 20, 30 minutes from the range. And then I pestered him for about six months to let me start an NRL 22 league there, and started that up and built that up and shot that for a couple of seasons there. I got orders, was supposed to leave, started getting into the to the to the center fire stuff a little bit. Those orders got canceled and I stayed and I let the other guy that I turned over to run it for a little while, but I started dipping my toe into the center fire. So 2018-19, I think I've shot my first PRS two day was one of the AI matches. I think it was 20. I think I shot my first two day. Um, I think I got uh 48 the first day and uh 50 the second day. So I was stoked with uh 308. Yep, and uh decided like this is what I want to do. So I ended up picking up uh uh a production rifle in 223, a PMR, an OG PMR, yeah, shot that for a season, came in third in the southeast region behind um Mike Kusick and Bobby um Keegan, you know what's called. Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 17:02

Keegan.

SPEAKER_02 17:03

Um came in behind them and then was like, okay, this is what I want to do. So I ended up buying another production rifle in 6BR, and I've been shooting that ever since.

SPEAKER_00 17:16

That's uh I noticed um some production regional matches on your uh on your profile, so that's what it is. Uh it's a oh yeah, it's a PMR Pro or PMR and 6BR, huh?

SPEAKER_02 17:28

Uh PMR Pro 2 in 6BR, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:32

Perfect. Man, that's uh there, you know, there's that's the best part of the production division is that there are rifles. Yeah, it's$3,000, but what you get for$3,000 definitely punches above its own. I got it when it was two. Oh, geez.

unknown 17:49

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:50

I got it back when it was two, and I was running a strike eagle, and the price bumped up, and I was like, ooh, I could get I could get a loophole. So I ended up there you go. Josh Show Walter, uh, speaking of of this community and how awesome it is. Like, Josh Show Walter was like, Man, you gotta try this glass, man. You gotta try this glass, man, you gotta try this glass. So I found one on a deal, picked it up, and I was like, oh man, this is really nice. Now I have like three of those and a and a Mark Four. Josh was actually the um uh the presiding officer over my retirement. He flew out from Texas.

SPEAKER_00 18:25

Oh, I did see that on yep, I did see that on Facebook.

SPEAKER_02 18:27

So that was super cool.

SPEAKER_00 18:28

Like cool.

SPEAKER_02 18:29

Yeah, I don't want to say he was like fifth or sixth on the list, but like I wanted somebody that I knew to do it. And I like I called I contacted some of my buddies that I've you know was enlisted with, and then they became officers. And like one of my best friends uh to this day is um he's a loot, he just made colonel. Uh we went through EO school EOD school together, and he's stationed in uh Naples now.

SPEAKER_00 18:56

So I like Oh, yeah, right right down the road, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:58

Yeah, right. No, Naples, Italy.

SPEAKER_00 19:00

Oh, oh yeah, yeah, no, right down the road.

SPEAKER_02 19:03

Yeah, so you're gonna be like, So like I was like, hey man, like I know you're kind of far away. Can you take a TDY? And he's like, Oh, I just got here. I was like, I know, I know. I wanted to offer it to you first. He's like, you know, I'd come through. I was like, yeah, I know Drumboy, like it's all good.

SPEAKER_00 19:18

Uh he's uh different contnet though.

SPEAKER_02 19:20

Yeah, he's in yeah, all the way over there. Um, but no, I've been I've been super fortunate. Like the the the reason why I think I've stuck with it so long is being that my job has or had some precision rifles, like yeah, might as well know how to shoot them and like be able to be effective. So I'd like to think that it was like for military training. It was because this is just an awesome sport and it's super fun. Yeah. Uh yeah. But it's it's definitely paid off because I can I, you know, everything that I learned from everybody uh that that I've learned stuff from, I just take it back to the guys and be like, hey, like, look at this, look at this. We had guys go um to Africa what two years ago, and they're like, oh, we need to do this. And I was like, I'm not just a PRS guy, like I've done I've done the two-gun and three-gun stuff, so I I know a little bit about everything. Um but like, hey, like if we can do it, you might want to get like a 10-inch barrel instead of that 14.5 and like get that profile down a little bit more, like if you guys are gonna be riding around in trucks more, and then like, hey, you might look at you know, this optic over this optic or this or that, or like how you guys want to do it. We set these dudes up and they had a great, they got a great um deployment, very low uh high stress but low uh low threat. It was uh Africa when uh the whole Niger situation was going on. So it uh it was it was fun for them from what they tell me. Um yeah, even now, like we got we got new rifles in at work, and like I fought our career field for a while because they were like, oh, it's the new smud weapon, which is standoff munitions disruption. Like you shoot ordnance, right? I'm like, okay, like you want me to shoot bombs and shoot you know submunitions, but you've given me a one to six optic to do it.

SPEAKER_00 21:21

Like, no, I don't want to be that close.

SPEAKER_02 21:22

I don't want to, I don't want to be that close. I was like, yeah, you can you can hit a target with a one to six at two, three hundred yards, but when the target is like a one by half inch like submunition, I was like, that's not gonna work, boys.

SPEAKER_00 21:35

Like how about a 25 power, right?

SPEAKER_02 21:37

Yeah, let's get some bigger stuff. So I did a bunch of legwork to like build out the kits and like I got us garments and the 9014s and kestrels and okay bags, and built a whole kit, got tripods from Lupold, and like built a whole kit for them. And like, here you go. Like that the Air Force has just got to put the right optic on it. It and then they discontinued that weapon. So that was awesome. Never even got to fire. I'm like, you're gonna give us belted 762 to shoot this precision gun at it's all it's the military.

SPEAKER_00 22:13

Yep. It's the military, right? Right. When did when did you start RO in then? Because uh it feels I mean, you probably have RO'd throughout throughout your entire shooting career, right?

SPEAKER_02 22:27

Yeah, like when you when you shoot USPSA, you go and pace targets and help and run timers. And so that part wasn't new to me, but like the spotting impacts part. Um when I first got down here to Florida, it was September. So the first match that I RO'd, just because I wanted to be part of it, like I don't even know if I was a member at Altus yet because the way I got my membership was you know, family connections. And um I heard they were having the match, I saw it on the website, and I called them. I was like, what can I do to help? You need me to run trash, you need me to do this, like what do you need me to do? And they're like, Yeah, come out, you know, spot, do whatever. They paired me up with somebody else, and that one, I literally just ran the buzzer and like check chambers and you know, did all that while the other guy spotted. Um, it worked great. And then like I'd only shot one two-day match at Altus because my philosophy on RO ing is if it's your home range, you should work it and not shoot it.

SPEAKER_01 23:33

Sure.

SPEAKER_02 23:34

That's just me. Like that's what I've always done. I've only shot like one match at Altus, and I've lived here for almost 10 years. Okay, yeah. Seven, eight years now.

SPEAKER_00 23:46

Yeah. Yeah. But I mean you you have a a very service-oriented personality, wouldn't you say? And I think that's what yeah, yeah. I mean, more so than I and and than more people that I met. I mean, uh, you're very service driven and which I think it obviously shows with you know be being RO of the year for you know, this is this is going on your fourth year basically, right? So um what do you exactly?

SPEAKER_02 24:17

But I got I got some people that have like straight up said they're coming for me. So I got I got some competition this year.

SPEAKER_00 24:24

Yeah, that's good. It's healthy. So what's uh what what are your plans for RON this year? Um two-day match? Are you gonna are you gonna shoot some two days? Are you planning on RON?

SPEAKER_02 24:35

I honestly I I don't know. Um like in this transition of life, right? I um I mean you know my situation, but like the the uh powers that be have kind of sat there and like have added up weekends that I've been gone um in a year, and like not just PRS, but like PRS and Rimfire in this and that and like outlaw matches and going here and then like work-designated trips, right? Where yeah, you know, I went to South Korea for a month and a half, like I went to San Diego for a month, like these uh these different missions. I um one year I was gone 42 or 45 weekends. Oh boy, and then uh the next year I was gone 38 weekends. Um whether it was a one-day or a two-day, or like if it was an extended work trip or a VIP or whatever it was, it was a lot. So I've obviously cut down a lot. Um now I say I cut down, but this month and April are gonna be very busy.

SPEAKER_00 25:40

Um you're in the southeast, so take advantage of everything I can while I can. March, April, May, yeah, June, July, August. Nobody wants to shoot during those months, you know.

SPEAKER_02 25:56

It just becomes Cory Adamski, funny enough, decided to have his regional qualifier in like June. So thanks, Corey.

SPEAKER_00 26:05

Yep. Yeah, Central Florida. Well, I mean, yeah, we're only given so many, and he there was probably no other qualifiers in June. I thought it was February, Matt.

SPEAKER_02 26:14

So I went down there in February and I was like, he's like, oh, thanks for the regional. And I was like, it's qualifier, right? And he's like, Nope. I was like, oh, I chose poorly.

SPEAKER_00 26:27

How far is BPO tactical from you?

SPEAKER_02 26:30

Uh it's solid 10 hours. Ooh.

unknown 26:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:33

In the same state, too, because you got to go east and then south a long ways.

SPEAKER_02 26:38

And and a lot of people ask me, they're like, why do you keep going to Corey's match? Like, why don't you go shoot a gun line or go shoot um KM? It's not that I don't like the people that are there, but like I'm really tied into those South, those South Florida shooters. Like, I stay at Rick Scribbin's house every time I go down there. We go do dinner, or like he took me out and we shot a hog. Um I do stuff in his in his in his gun shop there at GCP, uh, Rifle Co. Every time I show up. Like he gives me a tour of what the newest, latest, greatest thing is, and show me this, show me that. Like I can't, like, I go other places and people put me up and I've built awesome relationships. Like Josh Spear this weekend. Um, I stay with him when I go to Mississippi. I stay with uh uh my friends when I go to MPA. Like, I'm gonna if I'm gonna really drive somewhere and really go down there, like I wanna have like a super good time. And not that I don't have good times with everybody, but I I definitely uh I like seeing my guys down there in South Florida.

SPEAKER_00 27:45

Yeah, and you kind of you make it worth your trip, right?

SPEAKER_02 27:48

It's more than just yeah, if I'm gonna spend all day in a in a car, like now I will say this I have done a double header um a couple years ago, I think it was three years ago. I took Friday off and drove to um Cool Acres, shot the NPA match on Saturday, drove all the way to South Florida, no parked outside the gate, shot Corey's match on Sunday, and then had to drive all the way home that night to be to work at six o'clock the next morning.

SPEAKER_00 28:21

Dude, a two-day match basically with 30 hours of driving.

SPEAKER_02 28:24

Yeah, it was terrible. I'll never do it again. I'll never do it again. I've looked at you like, oh, which match do I go to? Do I go to Alabama or do I go to Corey's? Like, how long would it take me to do both? And I'm like, no, I can't make that. Yeah, you can't take it out.

SPEAKER_01 28:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:40

That's crazy. That's crazy. Yeah. So uh so R Owen, um, what I guess what's the what's the get back, the payback to you? Um, and and I guess I'm looking for a little bit of suggestion here too, right? Like, how do you how do you explain it to other C PRS, regional and pro shooters? And like, you know, like why why why should they get involved? Why should they do it?

SPEAKER_02 29:06

Um this community has given so much to me and been there for me in so many different ways that like I just feel that I need to give back and I'm pretty decent at it, I'd like to think. Um you know if I'm calling edge shit edge hits before the shooters, like, hey, that was an impact. Like, if I'm calling it like beforehand, um I'd like to think I'm decent at it. Uh every once in a while I'll get a little bit of like my brain and my eyes talk to each other for a half a second, and then I'll be like, Yep, that was an impact. Like, we're giving it to him. Um just make sure I make the right call. Um because I know like it's it's important to make the right call and not have to call the match director over and slow things up and everything else like that. Like get it right the first time. If it takes me an extra second to two seconds to to say it out loud, long as it's not a hit to move on, like you're gonna get your point. Um but I I don't know, that it's given so much to me, like that. I just feel that a lot of people go to these matches to hang out with their friends, right? When you're in a squad, you get to see 10 to 12 guys.

SPEAKER_00 30:20

Yeah, there's this, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:21

Right? But when I RO, I get to see everybody.

SPEAKER_01 30:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:27

And everybody like it's like it's like cheers, everybody knows your name, like everybody everybody's hanging out, a high five. You say uh uh jokes from previous matches, or you haven't seen somebody in a while, or you get that new shooter that doesn't um doesn't know what they don't know, and then as the RO you can kind of like see that and be like, hey man, like make sure you're watching this guy, like what he's doing, or like helping him with gear prep and like kind of putting him at ease as the RO as you're calling stuff. Like, yeah, you're running shooters through because you know you got to stay on pace for the match director, but like you can pump the brakes a little bit and give that guy like the extra few seconds to like, hey, are you good? Like, hey, where's your mag? Did you load your mag? Like, don't forget your chamber flag. Like, hey, your sword caps are still down. Like, do all of those things before he's on the clock so that he doesn't get flustered on the clock and then just completely bomb the stage. Um just another way to help. But and it's taken me a while to to to get proficient to where you know I can I can run a stage. I mean, I've at nationals, like I I would think that you need to be a competent person to run a stage by yourself at nationals um or at AG Cup or you know, doing whatever. Like some of these bigger matches, bigger money, bigger, like everything's on the line. Like if the match director is like, yeah, you're gonna work that one by yourself, be like, cool, got it.

SPEAKER_00 32:00

Nope, yeah, like no problem.

SPEAKER_02 32:02

No problem, got it. Like the first couple shooters you figure it out and you get in that flow, and then you just turn and burn and try and you know, give them the time that they need allotted to to get their walkthrough and and do all their things. Don't like pressure them, but like be efficient with your flow. Okay, like, hey, get somebody over here to pick up brass and all this other jobs. Like I'm I bought I bought a special fishing net. So this weekend on whatever I'm stage I'm I'm on, like, hey, here's the thing, you guys want to use it to catch brass? Like, go for it. Just make sure I get it back at the end of the day.

SPEAKER_00 32:33

Like, yep. That speeds things up quite a bit. Yeah, that's rock and roll. You're a lot more servant uh to shooters than uh than than I was. Probably.

SPEAKER_02 32:46

We we we have we can have similar styles from time to time. You're you're just very more um, I'm gonna say authoritarian in your in your RO-ness.

SPEAKER_00 32:56

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SPEAKER_02 34:07

Nobody else is waiting on you. Let's go. Get in gear.

SPEAKER_00 34:10

Exactly. Yeah. You don't get all the time. No, no, and I think I think you have to do that once in a while. I mean, depending on who the shooter is. Obviously, a brand new shooter, you're gonna you're gonna you're gonna step in and be like, all right, what can I help with to keep keep things moving?

SPEAKER_01 34:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:25

Um, you know, but you know, a guy that's won several two days and now a golden bullet, but back then, you know, you like come on now. We're not putting up with it.

SPEAKER_02 34:36

Yeah. I mean, I remember the very first AG Cup where I was starting the podcast and uh was doing some interviews or whatever, and he came on in his brush popper with all of his logos on his brush popper, and then like he didn't even stay around for for his check. He had to leave, he had to go catch a flight to go back to school the next morning.

SPEAKER_00 34:56

Yeah, yeah. Yep, that's tip that's that's the Morgan King move, right? Where you know, shoot the match, get the heck out of there, get back to work to school, whatever the obligation is.

SPEAKER_02 35:07

Yeah, exactly. The um and and in all uh like I think a lot of a lot of people that are not shooters or that like we say, hey, the best way to learn about a match is to go out and ro one. You're not gonna get thrown on a stage by yourself. Like you're probably not gonna spot through glass a hundred percent of the time. You're definitely not gonna be the one calling impacts. You're probably gonna be running the timer and running the score pad until you like get the hang of it and get the flow of it. Um, I did that last year at Gunline with with my shooter or with my my my RO partner. I was like, hey, like we're gonna set, I'm gonna set Matt uh, you know, stage flow, we'll get it through, you'll get the hang of it. I was like, and then we'll get you behind by no's once you kind of figure out what's going on, and then you can see what I'm seeing, and like we can get you trained up. And by the end of day one, he was he's pretty solid. He'd, you know, get him started or whatever. He come look through glass, and then when he was getting seventh, eighth shot, he was coming out of glass, going over and and getting ready to make sure they ejected mag, chamber flag in, like all the stuff that they need to do.

SPEAKER_00 36:17

Um you can learn quite a bit just by you know watching, watching in glass, watching shooters execute a stage, you know. Um I mean that was one of the reasons why I started actually RO in the AG Cup is like, man, I we're gonna have a, you know, I think that first year there was 40 or 50 shooters that were all you know part of the match, and you know, all the all the top guys, and you get to watch each one of them execute stages. You know?

SPEAKER_02 36:45

Like, um and I think that's where I think I really got the like the bug for RO ing is RO ing a match of that level. Um because even that first that very first year when it was uh invite only and it was 20, yeah, I wasn't even on glass, I was doing the phone scope because that was the only year we did the phone scope. Uh so I was doing that and and helping Brandon like back up calls. And uh though it was a great idea, it didn't necessarily work super great. Uh the phone scope idea. And then like the next year I went back and then Tom just started putting me on stages. Um started off, you know, banner hanging banners, did that at oh man like banner boy at Altus and at AG Cups and doing all that stuff, helping Tom out. And I've I'd like to think I've kind of graduated from putting up banners.

SPEAKER_00 37:41

Nope. Everybody uh match directors still need help in various ways, and that is a big one, man. Because you don't want to hang you don't want to put out flags, you know, the feather flags and the banners and stuff too early and then just let them get just absolutely trashed overnight or something. So right, you put them out sort of last minute. Yeah, that's one of the last things you do to prep a prep a match. But yeah, if you're gonna RO, like if you can get there a day early, get there a day early. Super appreciated. Yes, yeah, you'll you'll you'll you'll be put to work for sure.

SPEAKER_02 38:11

Yeah, absolutely. Um and and even me, like when I first started and like I started figuring out who who the who's who was, like um, you know, that first Kestrel match that I shot, like Regina Milton Altus. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, like Regina's the at the time was the only women woman to win a national two-day match.

SPEAKER_01 38:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:38

Right. And I was like, and she's from Arizona, and like I know him from Rio Salado, like, oh man, like you get a little, I got a little starstruck, like yeah, and then you know who Jake Vibbert is because you listen to other podcasts back in the day, and like, oh man, Jake's at this match, like, holy cow, and then John Pinch, and like you go and you see Matt Alwine, and then you get like Keith Baker, and then you get like all these guys that have been around forever, like, and then we have the Southeast um uh precision rifle expo, and like seeing all those guys that came out for uh, and that was at Arena, and like seeing all those guys that came out and were like instructors and did this and did that, and you know, um uh like the the different guest instructors, of course, Jacob Bynum from Rifles Only coming out.

SPEAKER_00 39:32

Rifles only South Texas.

SPEAKER_02 39:33

Yeah, given the given the fundamentals class, and then you know, Emil Praslitt, like you see you hear these names, and then you actually meet them and you're like, holy cow. Like this guy's really good. So that like that part can be intimidating, but at the end of the day, like we're all just we're all just dudes enjoying a thing that we like to do. Yep. Um, for the new guy that's gonna RO, like, yeah, you probably won't know who these guys are for your first one or two matches, but like you'll get you'll figure it out. You'll figure it out, and then it'll be super cool because every time I see somebody, like we high five. I went and met Robert Brantley yesterday.

SPEAKER_01 40:11

There you go.

unknown 40:12

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 40:12

Yeah, currently at a reach.

SPEAKER_02 40:19

And I was like, all right, I gotta go.

SPEAKER_00 40:21

Sounds like a drug deal, but you know it's rifle parts. Uh steel.

unknown 40:26

Steel.

SPEAKER_00 40:27

Steel, okay, yep, yep. Steel targets, sure, sure. Mad stuff. Uh and not to mention, too, the the friendships you make out of this, right? I oh 100%. You know, I I met Brad Wright for the first time at the 2019 Pro Series finale, and he and I were put on, it was at KM. He and I were uh and Missy were put on a stage, uh stage 18 for the finale. And you know, Brad at at the time, um, he worked in uh hydraulics industry, you know, just started shootings like, yeah, I want to get into this. Um, you know, I lived just a couple hours down the road, etc. And uh we spent all weekend together, had a had a hilarious time. Oh yeah, and then he's hilarious. He's been friends ever since. He is, yeah. And and you know, and not many he's been at he's been a loophole now for five years, you know, and we met before he was even there. And um, yeah, he's just a great friend of mine and and Missy's and and obviously a huge advocate for the PRS and the sport and all that. And I would have never met him had well, I would have met him eventually. Eventually, yeah. Eventually, yeah. But RO in together and you know becoming friends that weekend. That was a lot of fun.

SPEAKER_02 41:37

Absolutely. Like, I met Robert at one of the very first Altus matches that I RO'd, and he was like, I was like, hey, I'm you know, can I get behind your gun? Because like I'm looking, I really like a manners. Can I get behind your gun and like check it out, see how it feels? He's like, here's a magazine, here's a pack.

SPEAKER_00 41:58

He's totally generous.

SPEAKER_02 41:59

He's like, do everything and like let me fire a couple of rounds or whatever. And then he gave me a really generous discount to to get a manners, and that's I still do that today. I shot it last last week again, or last weekend. It's my my hunter rig for NRL Hunter. Um, saw Brad right there. He was he was he teamed up with uh the dirty civilian, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:22

Yeah, for for YouTube. He actually produced a video, I guess a shout-out to the really good video. The dirty civilian guys did a uh a Hunter style match uh with Brad and all that. Yeah, I could check take a look at it. Man, it's already I think I saw it like 30 hours after it was released and already had like 75,000 views, which is crazy. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 42:42

It's awesome. Uh I made it, I made it about halfway through it on my lunch break the other day. Um because I saw it, and uh I just saw the like the clip of it on Instagram, and I was like, oh, I gotta check that out. So I watched some of it on my lunch. It's it's pretty good. It's it's um a lot of the footage was super, super solid. Um they're good at that. They the their cameraman was really good. Um yeah, like and even like if you're not just roing like PRS stuff, there's other stuff like you can go and and check with your local NRL Hunter stuff, uh the Hunter stuff.

SPEAKER_00 43:21

There's all the Rimfire, NRL 22, PRS Rimfire.

SPEAKER_02 43:24

I mean, there's so many NASGUM series stuff that's starting up at different places. Um Travis actually called me uh and asked if I would come help. He's like, I need another RO. Can you please come RO for me? I was like, Yeah, man, I'll I'll be there. Like, not a problem. Yeah. Um Tommy Goodson calls me up like almost every year, and he's like he's he's like, You want to come? He's like, I'll put you in the bunker if you come RO. I was like, Yeah, I'll be there.

SPEAKER_01 43:52

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 43:53

So it's it's always a good time. Like I get to see my buddies, like I like it's it's Lower cost than shooting. Like you're still driving there. You're still spending money on food, but you're not an entry fee. You're not um you're not the ammo, the primers, the powder, everything else like that, the newest piece of swag that you think you need because it's gonna make you shoot 10% better. Like it's it's it's a way to go out and still have fun, but do it on a less expensive weekend.

SPEAKER_00 44:27

Yep. And you don't get your teeth kicked in, right? And you don't get your teeth kicked in. Um you shouldn't anyway. I mean, yeah, a bad weekend RO and still better than uh than a really bad weekend of shooting where you disposed yourself and all that. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 44:41

I mean, that hunter match was tough. Like um we we didn't even finish shooting all the stages on uh on Friday, and then Saturday it rained on us, so it turned into a big a big mud pit. And then when everybody got done shooting Sunday, we had to go finish our three or four stages, however many you had left.

SPEAKER_00 45:00

Oh man.

SPEAKER_02 45:01

Yeah, it was it was rough. So that was that was a rough weekend of both shooting and roing. But like, yeah, you go to a PRS event and like as long as you're not running the timer right next to a guy that's running a suppressor on a time stage, you're usually doing okay by the end of the weekend. Um yeah, the couple of the K and M matches when they shoot out of that deer blonde and you're standing like right there to get to get uh uh a Thunder Beast like giant can because it's so quiet. You're like right there at the muzzle and it's but it's still got it, and you're caution, TBI, memory loss.

SPEAKER_00 45:41

Oh man. Yeah, and that's that is that is probably the worst part, right? Like there are some really effective muzzle breaks out there now, and if you gotta be in in somewhat proximity of them, like man, that that that does kind of beat up on you. Well, most most ROs though, uh, you know, especially new ROs, don't realize you can be 15 feet away from a really effective muscle break, and the time is still gonna register. You don't have to be anywhere near them, right? Yeah, and you can still call out safety stuff. You know, I anytime you go shoot a pro match and and I mean you can spot a new RO that you know is put on like safety, and oh you gotta make sure the shot timer is close enough. And you're like, you don't have to be that close, buddy. Like it's yeah, it'll be effective unless it's suppressed.

SPEAKER_02 46:26

Like, yeah, I'll get up there and I'll and I'll eat some shots if it's if it's suppressed, but other than that, I try and hang back these days.

SPEAKER_01 46:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 46:34

Um yeah. And like for you know, going back to to to the new guys, like when I first started, I didn't have any gear. I didn't have a tripod, I didn't have binos, I didn't have anything.

SPEAKER_00 46:44

And how much how much gear do you think you've picked up off the prize tables that have helped support this? Um you get rolled into the prize table walks.

SPEAKER_02 46:54

Yeah, a lot of a lot of times you do. Um, and they know that we're coming out for the weekend, we're spending our own time, we're generally spending our own money. Um you don't you generally don't get to shoot the match because it's train up day on Friday. So nobody gets to see what the stages are until they get their match book when they leave after train up day. So we can't be out there shooting because they're they're practicing and we don't want to give an unfair advantage, and that it's understandable and fine. Um so for PRS, you can't do it. NRL Hunter, they have all the RO shoot on Friday, and there is no train up day because it's all blind stages. So we try and shoot everything in one day, which is that's like a true testament.

SPEAKER_01 47:37

That's a lot of work if you can do it.

SPEAKER_02 47:39

Like, yeah, and I've never I've never come so close to like putting my rifle in the truck and not shooting anymore, is Robert's uh Robert Brantley's Oklahoma match. Um on RO day. It was in three different locations in these three different pastures, and it was 112 degrees outside.

SPEAKER_00 48:00

Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 48:02

And I was like, we started shooting at like eight o'clock in the morning. We got done at like seven at night, and it was drained.

SPEAKER_00 48:09

Just drained. It was it was then you had to ro for two days.

SPEAKER_02 48:13

And then I had to ro for two days.

SPEAKER_00 48:15

Uh oh boy.

SPEAKER_02 48:16

It was that that I did like my legs swelled up really bad, and that's how I found out I got edema. Um, but I went to ER on Monday after that match. Yeah. Like I called the April show, Walter, I was like, you're you're you're a uh a nurse, you're a PA, right? She's like, yeah. I was like, what is this? She's like, oh yeah, that's edema. You need to get out and like stretch your legs and like try and pound the water till it like goes back into your system. I was like, dude. Great, fantastic. It's like she's like, go to the hospital, make sure you don't have a blood clot. I was like, tracking, got it.

SPEAKER_00 48:52

Yep. It probably hurt like hell in your cabs, you know.

SPEAKER_02 48:55

Uh it was, it was, it was pretty painful. It was it was not a good time, but the match was awesome. It was just really, really hot. Um, you asked if I picked stuff up the prize table. Like um, my first like solid uh tripod was a two-vets. I got off a prize table from a Guardian match, and they do the they do the raffle tickets. Yeah, I've uh I've gotten um the I've gotten primers, I've gotten ammo, I've gotten scope rings, I've gotten muzzle brakes, I've gotten um tons and tons and tons of stuff like off of prize tables. And like I'm a pretty big proponent of like if I can use it, keep it. If I can't, like I'm gonna find somebody else that can use it. Like, yeah, and I've got myself in Pass or two but like a newer shooter, like I'm keeping my eyes out for a bunch of stuff right now because I know uh a shooter that's trying to get into the sport, they're doing a bunch of rim fire stuff right now. They've never shot a center fire rifle like precision-wise at all, and they're looking to get into it. So I'm like, I'm like, okay, what do you have? They're like an idea. And I'm like, Yeah, okay, that's at least the start.

SPEAKER_00 50:11

You can work with that.

SPEAKER_02 50:12

It's an idea. So, like, yeah, now like when I find stuff, if I go to a price table and I can pick something up, like sh they're the first person that I'm offering it to. Like, hey, do you need this? They're like, oh, I was looking at getting, you know, a um a KRG, uh, one of the lighter weight KRGs. Um, they're a smaller snack stature person instead of like a giant MPA, you know, taxi. Even though they you could get like an ESR and it would work, um be lighter and a little more adjustable. But yeah, like if I find stuff, like if I come into stuff, there you go. I've I'm definitely trying to to to get it into the right hands. Additionally, a lot of people hit me up because I am so like tuned in and know a bunch of different people. They're like, hey, I'm selling this if you know anybody. Like I've brokered more deals for people than I think I've sold stuff.

SPEAKER_00 51:06

Um driven halfway to arena for, right? Yeah, there you go.

SPEAKER_02 51:10

It's like I I uh that's how I got my voodoo when I was really big into 22. Like this guy hit me up and he's like, Hell, I'm hey, I'm selling this voodoo, blah, blah, blah, like all this stuff on it, like 2400 bucks. He's like, Do you think you could like put it out to some of the people you know? I was like, Yeah, absolutely. Got the pictures of it, got the detail list, sent it out in a couple of my group chats. Um, nobody bid off on it. He hit me back like a month later. He's like, he's like, I'm selling the barrel to action in like six mads for like 1500 bucks. If you help me get you help me sell it, I'll give you a hundred bucks. I was like, How about I just buy it from you for 1400? And he's like, done. That's how I got my voodoo.

SPEAKER_01 51:48

I love that. I love that.

SPEAKER_02 51:50

I called the guys at Voodoo. I was like, hey, like, is this a gen one or a gen two based on the serial number? He's like, Oh yeah, it's a gen two. We've uh we've had some issues. Go ahead and send it back. We'll do this little 45 degree dove uh dovetail cut on the on the receiver, send it back to you, make sure everything's good and true and like everything else.

SPEAKER_00 52:07

And yeah. That sounds like Greg Roman. It was. Yep, exactly. That sounds like very supportive.

SPEAKER_02 52:17

And met them at the the Southeast PREs, and and you know, they were a sponsor for the the NRL 22 matches that I was hosting. And uh yeah, just just an awesome, like an awesome community. Like even though I'm not at every event, because honestly, you can't be at every at every event. I I've been to a lot of them and I'm trying to like branch out and go a little bit farther away and try and try and get out there and and support some different matches. Like I really wanted to go to the Canadian match last year in um uh uh for Apex because they're they're super awesome.

SPEAKER_01 52:55

Yeah, Van Car, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 52:57

Yeah, met them at uh at Worlds, and like we hit it off because we were our stages were kind of close to each other, and I was running around helping everybody and doing stuff and um making sure I got and talked to some Canadian shooters on the on the interviews and stuff, and it was turned out great. So like, yeah, I still I'm still in touch with them every once in a while. We'll hit each other up.

SPEAKER_00 53:19

Um well you'll see you'll see them again here at Worlds coming up for sure, you know?

SPEAKER_02 53:23

Sure will. Yeah. I've got one of their apex red dots, you know, on on one of my I put it on my 22 for my for my boy, so he can we went out to the range and he got to pop some shots. He's been if I'm in the gun room, he tries tries to be in here with me, and he's like, he's like, what gun is that? I'm like, that's the the six six five Creedmore. And he's like, what bullet does you shoot? I'm like, that one right there. And he's like, That's cool. Uh he's and then he sees this giant guy up here, this three printed one five five, that's his piggy bank. Um nice, that's a great idea for a big bank. Yeah, I was like, you shoot that's a howitzer around, like that's a that's a 155. Like you shoot that out of a out of a big cannon. He's like, Do you have one of those? I was like, no.

SPEAKER_00 54:09

They're 40 feet long. Yeah, you know. Yep.

SPEAKER_02 54:12

Um, I was like, I used to have one at work, but I don't have one anymore. Um, but it's it's just been a uh it's been a fun, fun ride. It's been it's been a good time. Like you said, like I've gotten, even though I'm working these matches, like different match directors do different things. Like um Jim Saunders for Alabama Precision and uh uh the federal gold medal and the AT match. Like they've done it different ways a bunch of times. They put you up in a hotel, right?

SPEAKER_01 54:41

That's cool.

SPEAKER_02 54:42

And they give you a free entry to a match slot in the future. So that right there's what two nights in a hotel, that's a hundred bucks a night, plus a match entry fee at 275. That's like 450 bucks right there, right? It's not cash in hand, but it's still value add, right? And you get a walk to the prize table, and somebody usually cooks something on Brian Allen's uh.

SPEAKER_01 55:07

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 55:09

Kenny Max done gumbo out there before for the ROs and stuff. Like they've had raffles where they they have like a bottle of uh George Dickle, like a case of primers and um some binos or whatever, and they do the raffle tickets for it. Like that money just goes back to the ROs.

SPEAKER_01 55:29

Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 55:30

So like different ROs do different stuff. I've been to matches where we get a walk the prize table, like every tenth shooter, like we walk the prize table. You go to KM and your RO, they put you in the bunkhouse, you get a walk the prize table. Yeah, everybody does different. Yeah, and it's and it's awesome. Like, that's not why I do it, but it's it's nice that you know the match directors and the shooters appreciate us coming out there and making it I'm not saying we're the ones that make it possible for you guys to shoot, but you know what I'm saying. Like, no, yeah, without the ROs, how are you gonna have a match? Like without the match director putting on the match, like how are you gonna have a match? So like everybody's out there to support a common cause of helping the shooters have a safe, enjoyable weekend.

SPEAKER_01 56:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 56:16

So what are the best chops?

SPEAKER_01 56:19

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 56:20

What are the what are the chances we see this year at the Pro Series finale? Where is it? Little Rock, Arkansas Little Rock, Arkansas.

SPEAKER_02 56:27

Oh, is it Twisted Barrel?

SPEAKER_00 56:28

Yep. That's not terribly far for you, is it?

SPEAKER_02 56:32

No, it's seven hours.

SPEAKER_00 56:34

Seven hours. That's not so bad.

SPEAKER_02 56:36

I went to the first match they had there.

SPEAKER_00 56:38

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 56:39

Um, I was at the first uh summer squirte. Torture.

SPEAKER_01 56:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 56:43

July. Because I want I wanted to make sure I get so I interviewed Kenny like three times leading up to that match because it was the first time they were doing it. So like all those matches that I was going to, if he was there, I was like, hey, let's talk about, you know, what are you guys doing for food food now? And like let's like reinvigorate people to to know that that you guys are having that match. And no doubt it was hot. It was definitely hot. Uh but no, I've I I shot that match and I I had a great time. I think I think I've been there for one of his one days as well. And it's just okay, dynamic wind, really good. Um, now that I know what it is, I'm gonna pencil that into my schedule and uh and make sure that uh everything lines up effectively.

SPEAKER_00 57:29

We'd love to have you there, man. Especially for uh especially for the banquet. I know you haven't uh it's been a couple years since you've been out of finale. Nineteen. Nineteen was the last one.

SPEAKER_02 57:43

I think nineteen last one. It was one of the KM ones.

SPEAKER_00 57:46

Yep. Uh it could have been twenty-two as well. Yeah, yeah, it was there nineteen and twenty-two. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was twenty-two. Yep. So, man, twenty-three, twenty-four, twenty-five. You've won RO of the year and you haven't been at the banquet. That's true. Let's let's try to change that this year.

SPEAKER_02 58:07

But twenty-four was pretty cool because you did say I was the okayist in the southeast, self-proclaimed. That was pretty dope.

SPEAKER_00 58:13

That's right.

SPEAKER_02 58:14

I was watching on the live stream and I was like, yes.

SPEAKER_00 58:19

Yep, I love that we do the live stream for that. But man, I would love to see you in Little Rock. Uh, we're gonna see you at Gravestone in September for the uh IPRF World Championship. Um what's uh let's go back to the beginning. What's the name of the the company that you're working with and what's their website?

SPEAKER_02 58:38

I work for Subsecond, and it's SubsecondLLC.com.

SPEAKER_00 58:43

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 58:44

Perfect.

SPEAKER_00 58:45

And you're gonna and you're gonna be at a couple matches this summer. Uh well, you're gonna be you're gonna be all over the place, but uh, and you'll have some product there that we can check out too, right?

SPEAKER_02 58:53

Yeah, absolutely. It's awesome. It's currently geared a lot towards military and law enforcement and like the the the two-gun crowd, gas gun crowd, but I'm working on to to develop some new stuff. We're we're moving into a much bigger facility where we're gonna be expanding. And um one thing that it's kind of hard to find is find is an uh AW mag pouch that like sure works properly. Sure. So we're gonna work I'm gonna try.

SPEAKER_00 59:26

Okay. Right on, man. Well, we're excited to see you this year. Uh I'm excited to see you. Hopefully, hopefully at a match or two somewhere. And uh check out some of the subsecond stuff. Um man, appreciate you coming on tonight, and uh we'll talk to you soon.

SPEAKER_02 59:41

Absolutely. Thanks, Ken. Appreciate you.

SPEAKER_00 59:44

Thank you, brother.