(SHOW EP16) Inside One of the Biggest PRS Matches of the Year

This week on the podcast, the hosts break down one of the biggest upcoming PRS events of the season — the legendary KNM Precision Rifle Competition. With over 200 shooters expected and a stacked field of top competitors, they go through match predictions, top contenders, course-of-fire philosophy, and what it takes to win at KNM.

They also recap Corson Piper’s big win at Parma, discuss match strategy in changing wind conditions, and dive into how the PRS skill level keeps evolving year after year.

Then things take a turn into PRS history as the conversation shifts to the old days of pistol stages in precision rifle matches — including the wild story of why pistols disappeared from KNM events altogether.

Topics include:

KNM match preview & predictions
Parma match recap
PRS course design philosophy
Wind reading & target sizing
Top shooters to watch
The evolution of PRS competition
Why pistol stages vanished from matches
Match director behind-the-scenes stories

If you're into PRS, NRL, long-range shooting, match strategy, or precision rifle competition, this episode is packed with insight and stories from some of the biggest names in the sport.

Transcript

SPEAKER_05 0:00

All right, we got a great show this week, episode 15. We got Corts and Piper on to talk about his win at Parma. Coming up this weekend, we've got 220 shooters in an absolutely stacked field of picks at the KM Collis Precision Rifle Competition.

SPEAKER_01 0:14

We'll also give you a little behind the scenes uh on the the KM Collis match since 2012 and why we don't have pistols and PRS matches anymore.

SPEAKER_03 0:23

Love it. Enjoy going live.

SPEAKER_05 0:34

I thought we were gonna maybe talk about what we're gonna talk about just ever so slightly.

SPEAKER_03 0:38

No, nope, nope.

unknown 0:40

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 0:40

I'll tell you what, now I'm looking at the screen. Dude, this thing on my lip looks disgusting. Did you see that?

SPEAKER_05 0:47

Yeah, who you been kissing?

SPEAKER_03 0:49

Well, uh it was uh it had a leather shell on it. Oh okay. Baseball practice last night, and probably the kid with the strongest arm on the team.

SPEAKER_05 1:00

He uh Oh, he you get tagged?

SPEAKER_03 1:02

Yeah, he threw No, he threw one in. I I'm hitting hitting fungo, ground balls, whatever the team, and like uh the other coach that was catching him, whatever. He he went after a wild throw, and and I just like, hey, throw the ball in. And it was gonna be like a one hopper, and I actually went down to grab it. I went down to kind of, you know, like field it with my right hand, which is not my glove hand, because I'm holding a bat in my glove hand, and the damn ball like took an odd hop away and then caramed off a bucket right in. So it was like, oh, it's going away. Oh no, it is flights.

SPEAKER_05 1:41

Yeah. Yeah. I've got I've got injury too. I saw that on Facebook. I've my my bandage situation has improved uh drastically. What uh what do you got going on there? Uh well I smashed it at work a couple of weeks ago. Not that a couple weeks ago. A couple weeks ago. Yeah. Three three weeks ago now. And it wasn't that big of a deal. I was still I was still using it. It was just, you know, normal kind of smashed finger soreness. And then uh week before last, at the end of the week, like it started to get swollen and and and bother me. Yeah, probably hot. Yeah, hot, yeah, all that. And I somehow I must have got a piece of metal in it or something, and it got infected. And so I had my twin peaks match two weekends ago. And uh it'll be fine. I'll get through the match first. I literally, that was literally what I did. And then I I w I it was bad and I was worried that it was broken or something, and it's my freaking trigger finger, so you know I'm very attached to it. I use it. I'm right, I'm right-handed, and it's my freaking right index finger. So Kansas, guys from Kansas can use this other finger here. I've seen them do it. Some of them can, but you gotta get you gotta get the this bad finger out of the way before you can use this one. So I think that's the key to that. But I didn't want to go that route personally. So I went to the minor emergency on on uh that Saturday and they did x-rays and said that I had an infection in it and gave me some antibiotics and referred to me to a specialist. So then last Thursday, I go see the specialist, and he takes like a look at it, he's like, I don't like the way that looks. And uh he he he pokes the little there's a little pus pocket, he pokes it, and it and he pushes on like the opposite side of my finger and it's and it's squeezing fluid out of the out of that little pocket. Bad did that hurt. Uh it didn't hurt bad at all compared to how bad it had been hurting. Oh so by then the antibiotics were actually starting to help, so the pain was starting to go down. And I was like, getting up, I was I was getting to the point where like, uh, I don't know. I think I might ride it out, but he he uh so he pushed on, he's like, I don't like how deep uh that is in your finger. We need to get in there and clean it out. So he scheduled me for surgery the very next morning. Oh my gosh. Which was last Friday. And uh yeah. Cut me open and cleaned it out. Yep. And then I thought I was gonna have to be in that big stupid bandage that I posted on Facebook for a it went down to your wrist, didn't you? For like yeah. Yeah, he that when they discharged me, they told me I was gonna have to wear that and keep it clean and dry for eleven days, just like a cast or something. I was like, oh my god. So I went through the weekend with it, and then I called him again on Monday to uh because I had a had some questions for him, and they told me like, oh hey, we you're actually supposed to be uh soaking that a couple of times a day. So you can pull or something, like soapy water with antibacterial soap, warm water. So last night when I got home from work, I I cut the bandage off and got a look at it, and it didn't look too bad didn't it look too bad in there? It was definitely better after I took a shower and and soaked it. But dude, when I I stuck my finger in that warm water, it felt insane because my finger was just like immobilized for you know multiple days, and I stuck it in that warm water, and it just like the craziest tingling. It didn't hurt, but it just felt it was nothing I've ever felt before. It was like all of the the blood in the capillaries was like were opening up and all the blood flow was coming back. Oh my goodness. But the good news is I I can just go with band-aids to minimal band-aid. Yeah, just uh so now I can actually function as a human being. You probably well, I haven't wipe I haven't wipe with the other hand. I'm still I'm still wiping lefty. Still still going still going to Austin. Still going to Austin to wipe, but uh uh that so far that hasn't been a problem. Just you know I'm I know everybody's really worried about it. I posted that comment on my Facebook as a joke and then got like 60 freaking replies that were like, well, here, try this, you know, like earnest earnest replies like Jesus folks, I was just joking around. I'm gonna figure out how to wipe my ass. Oh, buddy. But uh anyway, so I gotta get the I gotta go follow-up appointment on the 26th, right before heading out to New Mexico. Yep.

SPEAKER_03 6:44

And uh speaking of which, we should probably probably have some conversation, right, on uh on some match stuff here.

SPEAKER_06 6:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 6:54

Um let's um actually I got a couple things. I'm gonna share my screen. Um how's registration going for Cole Canyon? Is that thing sold out?

SPEAKER_05 7:06

Yeah, it's been sold out and um it's been sold out for a two or three weeks now. And uh man, I we're Derek and I are both really kind of surprised that we've gotten so much attention to that match. Because we've we've always been, you know, right around the hundred shooter mark out there, but then it's like you know, sometimes leading up to the leading up to that match, it can be a little bit of a struggle just to get up over a hundred shooters at that one. And then this year just the demand is just crazy. So, I mean, it's awesome, but um we would love to be able to take more shooters than that out there, but logistically it's just really difficult because getting enough staff and ROs out there to help run like an 18 squad match is is tough when it's out there in the middle of nowhere.

SPEAKER_03 7:59

And that was uh, you know, when you're when you're talking about it, I'm like, ha ha logistics, like we covered all this. We had a finale there. Right.

SPEAKER_05 8:07

Yeah, but you need people, you need people that so we're we're we're running it as a uh you know a 10 10 squad match. So we've got all the ROs we need. And uh we've got a little we've got a little bit of wait list going on. So if anybody's listening that's was signed up for the match and uh isn't gonna be able to make it, please let me know because I got people lined up waiting to buy your spots. So there you go. Um but yeah, yeah, so we're at like uh 113. 133. Yeah, 133. We got a few extra in there still. Yep. That's pretty big names that are gonna be there too.

SPEAKER_03 8:46

Yeah, it's gonna be it's gonna be very competitive for sure. Yep. Um when do you leave to head out there? Are we gonna have opportunity to have uh have one of these calls on Tuesday before or while you're out there?

SPEAKER_05 9:00

Yeah, well we we'll we'll be able to do an episode on Tuesday before I leave. I'm gonna leave either late Wednesday night or uh Thursday morning, uh depending on Derek is gonna be there um I think the beginning of the weekend before to get everything cleaned up and and targets hung and props put in place that we need to put in place, all that stuff. So Yeah, you got Orgain's gonna be there. Yeah, I think Orgaine's still one of the the maybes. I need to check in with him. Um I think he said something about baseball or something with his kids.

SPEAKER_03 9:35

Yeah, baseball baseball dependent. But he I mean, he's got a small plane, so he could fly out last minute. Yeah, which is pretty cool.

SPEAKER_05 9:44

Like two hours to get there. Yeah, I'm I'm pretty sure he's planning on flying, so must be must be nice. Must be nice.

SPEAKER_03 9:58

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 9:59

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 10:00

Yeah. Um couple things I wanted to point out here. So um, yeah, like if you come here to Series, Pro Series or Regional Series, it does it's a Rinfire 2. Um, upcoming matches, so that list has been going on. Um, you can see there's some South African matches, there's some matches that don't belong in this list necessarily. Um, and that's because they were coded wrong when they were first set up, but things are pretty well locked down, so we don't have the availability right now while the integration is still taking place to just like jump in and you know, like Megan and I can't just go in there and be like, all right, let's switch series. Like it's that integrity right now. We have to like really be careful what we're what we're messing with during the integration. Yeah. Um really quick sneak peek. This is what the new website's gonna look like.

SPEAKER_05 10:51

Is is this the new so this is like the PRS Impact Hybrid? Is that or is this PRS website?

SPEAKER_03 10:58

This is this is precision rifle series.com. Uh not right now. Yeah. Uh we'll see if we can blur that uh address bar out so people don't keep coming to this, but uh or we can create a new link. But anyways, um yeah, this is the format that we're going with. This is the season standings and all that. That looks great. Um yeah, yeah. Uh powered by impact.

SPEAKER_05 11:22

So you yeah, it's using some sort of a Java like laying laying up impact directly into the website. I love it.

SPEAKER_03 11:30

Yep, yep, it's pulling in all that data, right? Um, and we'll be able to yeah, it you know, I go to the homepage and it's you know, learn more, find matches. So this is like in your face, it's yeah, wants to educate you on what you're doing here, not like here's the leaderboard, you know? Yeah, yeah. Um but yeah, we've had quite a few meetings on this and things are coming together.

SPEAKER_05 11:54

So um who's our uh who's our model right there?

SPEAKER_03 11:58

Uh I don't know. It looks like a cold match, bolts open.

SPEAKER_05 12:02

Yeah. I don't know. I think that's MDT chassis. Or is it MDT? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 12:08

We're gonna Yeah. We'll have a lot of live photos and stuff on here. Yeah. Um yeah, but we're excited about it. This is kind of the mock-up of it. We're we're reviewing it, getting everything in place. Uh next week or two, we should be good to go. That looks slick. I'm excited, finally. Um while we're here, let's talk about Parma. Um, we're gonna have Corson on here in a few minutes.

unknown 12:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 12:33

Uh talk to him.

SPEAKER_05 12:34

Yes. I think we all knew he was gonna do really well, and he certainly did. Uh yep.

SPEAKER_03 12:40

Josh Hidden took him. We so what I I I I I put put our pool here. So yeah, we left, you know, top ten. Well, Gasgun, Chris Garcia is twelve. Wow. We left Keith Glasscock on the table, he finished eighth, and then not in the pool, Mason Baffus, Ryan Harms, and Joe McFarlane. Yeah. All top ten. You can't you can't trust me in the list that I come up with, you know.

SPEAKER_05 13:08

For sure. What uh so were those guys classified at all?

SPEAKER_03 13:13

Mason Round and Joe? Let's yeah, let's take a look here. So five, seven, and nine. Mason was semi-pro, Ryan not classified. Maybe he is, it's just not picking it up here for some reason. And then Joe was semi-pro. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 13:26

We better start pulling in semi-pros to our list for sure. But I mean we we've had always we I mean, I I don't know any of their names, unfortunately. So yeah, I probably wouldn't have picked him.

SPEAKER_03 13:38

Yep, that's what I was thinking, like Ryan Arms. You know, he didn't have anything next to his name, so he probably just glanced over him. But now he does have a profile picture, though. I feel like that's uh that that's not a terrible indicator. Livingston. Livingston. Yep, there's no there's no G in that. Yeah. Correct me if I'm wrong, anybody from Montana, but I think it's Livingston, right? Like it's um there he is, Ryan Arms. Good shooting, Rang. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 14:07

Good shooting, bud. Sway. Go back to our go back to our pick'em results. Who won?

SPEAKER_03 14:14

Uh I think Brady did by uh Lance. Oh, yeah, he killed us. David Riley and Brady Allenson.

SPEAKER_05 14:21

Yeah, yeah, he killed us. Yeah. Good job. Yeah. I mean, I'd I had two and three, and then thirty, and then thirty-two.

SPEAKER_03 14:29

Yep. Jason Alvis. I he you know, we all have our weekends. He's a good shooter.

SPEAKER_05 14:34

No, he isn't he's a good shooter and a great dude. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 14:37

Yep. And I had Chad Lowe, who I thought I saw him on there Saturday, and then when I was looking at results, I'm like, he's not there anymore. Maybe I don't maybe ND or something. I don't know. Uh or never showed up, and I was just imagining it, but I was rooting for Chad anyway.

SPEAKER_05 14:57

Um, uh these the matches are all the so f freaking competitive now. Like all it takes is just a few few drop shots and and you just go sliding.

SPEAKER_03 15:13

Seriously. Yeah. And they had 60 ish shooters, I think, show up. Um you know, it's kind of a last minute a few guys, but thankfully, you know, that's enough. Um quality over quantity, right? There you go. Uh but you know, Corson wins, dropped twenty-six. Um it wasn't easy then. No. I'm gonna uh send Corson a message here and uh have him come on.

SPEAKER_05 15:47

Yeah, 26, 28, 29. Yeah, nice and tight. That tells me that it was uh I I think wasn't uh wasn't Brady worried about there being like no wind whatsoever. I think he that's what he was saying, yeah. Yeah, it must have showed up.

SPEAKER_04 16:05

I'm gonna type in Primer Rumble uh finished. Let's see. Maybe I'll take the rumble out. I wanted to see if last year's at May 17th.

SPEAKER_03 16:20

Sounds like you got some big rodents in there.

SPEAKER_05 16:23

Yeah, I got some dumb dogs that saw something in the backyard that they need to yell at. Yeah. This is a real world podcast, folks. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 16:38

Corson was fifth last year there.

SPEAKER_05 16:40

So 186 to the winner. I wonder if that's out of 200, which is that's funny. That's the same number, isn't it? Uh it's match results.

SPEAKER_03 16:51

184. Close. Oh, wait, 210 shots. Possibly. Yeah, two ten this year, that's right. Okay. And I think I remember Brady saying that he had some 12 rounders and stuff. Yeah. But seven Brantt won it. Brantt Bilt. Everybody knows Brant Bilt, right? Yeah. The ocular level pieces. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_05 17:11

Yes, sir. He's I think he's had a few little inventions out there. Has he? Over the years.

SPEAKER_03 17:17

Well, we're waiting on Corson. Why don't we why don't we screw around with that? Sure. Why not?

SPEAKER_04 17:22

Shouts out shouts out to Brant Bilt. Yeah. Can't indicator. That's a great looking photo. That is a good looking photo. Yeah. Got the green on there and everything. Yep. Out of stock. I guess he's doing all right with them.

SPEAKER_03 17:43

Hey, Corson Piper's with us. Can you hear us, Corson? Hey. Good to see you, man. Congrats on the win last week. Thanks, brother. Appreciate it. Yep. What uh I'm always fascinated by uh the the type of space people join us in. So what are we looking at here? This looks like a proper gun locker.

SPEAKER_00 18:08

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yep. Yep, pretty, pretty much. This is my this is my office, my my programming office, and and uh um, yeah, the oh the overstock um components um gear locker.

SPEAKER_02 18:25

There you go. Yeah, looks like we got the fresh uh first place trophy.

SPEAKER_00 18:31

Yeah, I need to find that. That's uh you gotta find a bigger that's I think that's the biggest trophy I've ever got.

SPEAKER_03 18:36

So I I um you know when I I I saw the photos that we you know we post, well we get we get the photos from the match director on the winners and all that, and then you know I usually see them when our social media team posts them. Uh first place was enormous, wasn't it? And then like it they got smaller as you went down, right? Yep, yep.

SPEAKER_00 18:55

Yeah, yeah, they've been doing that for those style trophies for quite a few years. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 19:02

Um how many you got? That's my third one. Third one. I love it. I love it. Um you were fifth last year. What was what's your other place?

SPEAKER_00 19:12

Uh I think it's third or fourth.

SPEAKER_03 19:15

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 19:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:16

Yeah. Let's uh here I'm gonna I'm gonna bring this in. This is the uh semi pro. Holy cow, and I saw this. Michael Moore. Yeah, is he like six and a half feet tall? He's a big boy. He is a big dude. Um boy.

SPEAKER_05 19:38

Yeah, next time.

SPEAKER_03 19:41

Yeah.

unknown 19:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:43

Third is massive. Look at Dale Rhodes there, top weighty. Yes. That's a great shooting jersey for top ham. Where is it here? There it is. Jesus Pete's. That's an enormous trophy.

SPEAKER_00 19:59

That is lucky I didn't have to fly home without one.

SPEAKER_03 20:03

Yeah, no joke. No joke. How far away are you from Parma?

SPEAKER_00 20:07

Uh about a 10-hour drive. I got pretty used to the closest. Well, MDT's got that match across the border now. That's the closest match to me. It's uh two and a half hours plus a border crossing. But uh other than that, I mean, even for one-day matches, closest one-day match is a four and a half hour drive. How close to the border are you, course? Uh 45 minutes.

SPEAKER_03 20:33

Okay, so pretty close.

SPEAKER_00 20:34

Yeah, pretty pretty darn close.

SPEAKER_03 20:36

Yeah. Pretty close. Yep. Man. Well, what sorry about the match this weekend? Uh one by two. Um what uh let's what stage did you finish on? Do you remember?

SPEAKER_00 20:50

Let's see, we started on six and sixteen.

SPEAKER_03 20:54

So um so if you would have finished on fifteen, we would have finished on fifteen, yeah. Yep, that's right.

SPEAKER_00 21:04

Yeah, that's and ten shots, ten positions.

SPEAKER_03 21:09

How'd you feel going into that?

SPEAKER_00 21:11

Oh man. Uh so the wind was picking up quite a bit. And uh I had shot off that barricade the day before. And it's not like it's got a little rock to it, you know, but it's pretty heavy, so it's like it's one of those where you you you just lean into it a little bit and it's stable, right? Um but the wind was blowing enough to where uh I was worried about the wind blowing me, not so much the stabil stability of the prop. Uh so I did I I decided to use tripod rear. I and I've got a a big heavy RRS. Uh and uh my buddy Brandon shot before me and he did really well. And uh so I'm like, Okay, well let's you know, let's do this. And Brandon made it through all ten positions. I he might have timed out on one or whatever. Uh But it you know, it looked it look it looked doable, right? And uh so I get in my first position and one of the tripod legs folds up on me. Oh no. It would have been it would have been awesome to have on camera. I don't know how I made it through. I'm so I'm trying to hold my rifle and reach down and like trying to decide whether I'm actually gonna, you know, make the tripod right again. Um and I did it. So I just I just tightened up the tripod leg. And so this thing's I've never tried to shoot off of a tripod that's laying like sideways before. Um, but uh, but yeah, it was not comfortable. And uh it was it it must have been pretty comical. Let's just leave it at that.

SPEAKER_05 22:45

I had how'd you do on the stage?

SPEAKER_00 22:47

I somehow I cleaned it.

SPEAKER_05 22:49

Jeez.

SPEAKER_00 22:50

Some somehow I somehow I cleaned it, yeah. Oh dude.

SPEAKER_03 22:54

But uh yeah, so that was pretty funny. So what kind of wind were we talking about out there?

SPEAKER_00 23:00

Um Saturday was we were holding like 8 to 12. It wasn't it wasn't super bad, but um well you've been to Parma. It's kind of uh uh kind of half a horseshoe, right? So when you went when you started going up the hill, it was more of a headwind, and and that stuff that stuff got got pretty tricky.

SPEAKER_03 23:19

Um so kind of blown out of the northwest then, right? Towards that corner of the horseshoe.

SPEAKER_00 23:23

Exactly right. Yep. Yeah. So I mean, you know, the the velocity wasn't bad, but it but it got a little bit tricky up there. And um some of the targets had enough grass around them to where if you missed, you were you ended up shooting by braille a little bit. Oh man.

SPEAKER_06 23:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:40

Uh I think you can see that in in the in a couple of my stages. Uh see the results of that.

SPEAKER_03 23:46

Around well, 10 or 11 would have been right in that corner, right?

SPEAKER_00 23:49

That's exactly right. Yep.

SPEAKER_03 23:50

Yeah, minus six, minus five. Damn. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:54

And uh yeah, then the Sunday the wind picked up a little bit. Man, I was in, I think I was in like I was in seventh place after day one or something like that. I had to I had to come up quite a bit, but the wind picked up quite a bit. Um, we were shooting 12 to probably 12 to 16, 18. Um, we got some gusts up to 20, but I don't think I ever held for a 20. Yeah. Dang.

SPEAKER_05 24:18

That's some wind.

SPEAKER_00 24:19

Yeah, it was good. It was fun.

SPEAKER_05 24:22

Definitely enough to notice.

SPEAKER_00 24:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 24:24

Yeah. Yeah. Man. Who all who all were you squatting with? Any any other notables that shot well with you?

SPEAKER_00 24:32

Uh yeah, yeah. Little Mason Bafis. Um, I've been squatting with him and his old man uh Brandon uh for for quite a bit. Um they're both just uh just super positive people. Um and uh you know and and a pleasure to that kid is just a pleasure to be around. Uh he just turned 17. And uh actually like two weeks ago, and this is his second uh uh uh podium. He got he got fifth uh at short action customs as well. Um but uh you know, I don't know. I try to I try to kind of give him some tips and pointers and whatever, but uh he doesn't even know. Yeah, it's it's amazing. I'll I'll kind of I'll kind of tell him what I did for Wynn and it'll completely switch and he sees everything. Oh man. And uh just yeah, it's it it's it's phenomenal watching him shoot. It's it's pretty cool. I mean that's that is cool.

SPEAKER_03 25:33

To have 17-year-old eyes again. Yep, yep, right where you could just see forever, it seemed like, you know.

SPEAKER_05 25:38

And man, I swear at some point all of us old guys are gonna be chasing the juniors, so they're gonna start taking over the sport as they keep developing younger and younger.

SPEAKER_00 25:49

Well, that kid's gonna be hurting feelings in no time, for sure.

SPEAKER_05 25:53

Yeah, yeah, no joke. Yeah. Umly thing saving anybody is college right now.

unknown 26:00

Right.

SPEAKER_00 26:01

Well, it seems like they find women sooner than later, and then Yep. Yep.

SPEAKER_03 26:06

Yeah. That's kind of what I joke about uh Jake Millard, right? Like he uh also from the Northwest, right? It just seemed like man, he he I don't think he had even peaked yet. He had won he'd won a couple matches, you know, and then what, found found a girlfriend probably, and you know, probably a job, and was like, man, this is pretty sweet. I got money, got all this stuff.

SPEAKER_00 26:30

Yeah, I don't I don't know what happened, what happened to him. I mean, I'm sure he could still shoot. But yeah, one day he was one day he was here hot and heavy and the next day he wasn't.

SPEAKER_03 26:38

So yeah, yeah. So what uh Corson, what do you have on your agenda this year? Last year you were one of the six, I think, uh at 300 at the finale. Right? Um this year you gotta win under your belt. Uh, where else are you pointing out shooting, man?

SPEAKER_00 26:58

Um, let's see. I'm getting ready to go shoot the night force right now. I think I think that's the next uh yeah, that's the next match.

SPEAKER_03 27:06

Nightforce you are, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:08

Yeah, and then the weekend after that, turning around and and going across the board. Yeah. And then um my wife's got some family there uh in Utah, so the Hornedy PRP is always a good one. Um kind of turn it into a family vacation and and uh and go shoot a match on top of it and uh do that. Um I went and shot that foundation match last year. Um and uh that was just phenomenal. That that location, their range is killer, and uh the amount of effort that Tate put into that course of fire. Um the the whole the whole thing.

SPEAKER_03 27:46

I'm gonna I'm gonna probably correct you there and say Tate was there, but John Kyle, I bet, put the effort. Yeah, yeah. Well, um Yeah, yeah. They're both there, but yes.

SPEAKER_00 27:55

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:56

Um well No offense, Tate.

SPEAKER_00 27:59

Tate must ask me four times. I think he directed the match what I thought of it, right? He was he was really um well, it th those the all those guys, they did they really care.

SPEAKER_04 28:11

Seriously, right?

SPEAKER_00 28:12

And you could tell. Yeah um from from from start to finish, right? Through through the awards and everything. Um, so it makes me want to go back. Uh so I'm I'm thinking about doing that one just just because it was just because those guys did a great job.

SPEAKER_03 28:25

Um yeah, yeah, you know that when I see photos come in from matches that you know that especially ones that I've been to, and and I've not had a bad experience at a match. So like I see photos come in, I'm like, oh man, I can picture being there, I wish I was there, you know. And then I I've not been to the Impact Foundation match, but last year when I saw everybody who was there and like all the you know extracurriculars happening, like I never had so much FOMO than all my life. Like I I need to be there.

SPEAKER_05 28:56

Yeah, you better make that happen. Well, it's so much fun. And that's my birthday weekend too, by the way. Is it so?

SPEAKER_03 29:01

Yeah, all right. Well, more reason to claim. There you go. Um actually, uh so registration, I think, just opened for that match this last week, I think, sometime. Um so there's a Plug Impact Foundation match open uh for registration. I think there's tons of spots, but Missy, my wife, put it on our calendar already. And I'm like, I didn't even register for it, but she saw it open. She's like, Yeah, we should probably be there. Like, yes. I love that. I love that. Yeah, Missy. They do. Do you travel with your family much, Corrison?

SPEAKER_00 29:36

Or just uh Utah there or uh most of it, you know, most of it's just uh traveled by my well lately. Um lately been traveling with the wife a little bit. We I took Monday off of work on this last one. Um we drive down and we kind of stayed the night down there and make it a little bit more relaxing. Um pretty much all my vacation days are used for matches, so I try to make them as less painful as possible. Um you know, I'm I'm not I'm not I'm not pulling a Morgan King and and driving all night and sleeping in the back of the car because um yeah.

SPEAKER_03 30:11

Yeah. I don't know. I yeah, I can't I can't do that. And I honestly I think like with obviously the role that I'm in, like if I need to take a day after a match, whatever, I can take a day after a match, but like that's probably the thing I I take for granted the most. And and it's usually on Sunday when I'm driving home from somewhere, and I'm like, man, I used to hate the feeling where it was like, I need to get home ASAP. Like we are stopping for fuel, and as long as it takes for me to pee and I am back in because I need to be home by 2 a.m. so I get six hours of sleep, you know, and still be to work by 8 30, you know?

SPEAKER_00 30:44

Yeah, I'm well I'm learning that we've only got so much attention span, right? And I you know, I don't know. I don't know whose idea it was to work full time and shoot full time and trying to start a muzzle break company, but it was a that was a pretty dumb idea, right? Yeah it's mean means to an end. Yeah, yeah. I mean it yeah, but it pr pretty yeah, we get spread thin pretty quick and start, you know. I mean, this season's been kind of a struggle for me, and I think that that had some, you know, that's got something to do with it, right? Um for sure. Yeah. Getting too busy, yeah, right?

SPEAKER_03 31:19

And your attention, your attention being spread.

SPEAKER_00 31:21

Yep. Yeah, just uh well, and that and so many good shooters these days. Just the last the last year, two years. Um you know, you never know. I I think you said it a couple days ago, but yeah, I you never know who's gonna show up and have a good day, because it could be it could be anybody.

SPEAKER_03 31:39

Could be right, exactly. You wanna give a shout out to the uh your uh muzzle brake stuff that you're doing?

SPEAKER_00 31:46

Yeah, sure. Talk about it. Yeah, uh demigod precision is the website.

SPEAKER_03 31:51

Let's let's check it out. Demigod Precision.

SPEAKER_00 31:54

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 31:54

Cool.

SPEAKER_00 31:55

So yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:56

Piper Pro. I love that.

SPEAKER_00 31:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:59

Or Piper Comp.

SPEAKER_00 32:00

Yeah, I I've been making my own muzzle brakes for about seven years now. And um, I was just making them for my own guns, and then people started wanting them. And um, you know, I've none of my stuff was uh had self-timing nuts. I'd just time it to the barrel, I'd leave it there until the barrel was gone. Um I said, well, if I'm gonna if I'm gonna sell this to any well, first of all, I I didn't I didn't enjoy making them for myself, let alone I'm gonna sit in front of lathe and make them for somebody else. So uh but I got enough interest that that I redesigned it so it could be a self-timing um device and then um had a guy up the road um that's uh that's got some pretty fancy five access machines um that run a batch for me. And now we're on I I Laura just went and picked up batch number three. So um yeah, a lot of RD. I I don't think you know if we take all the RD time, uh I'll probably never end up on top. But uh no.

SPEAKER_03 32:56

Nope. But this looks uh this looks a lot like SolidWorks here.

SPEAKER_00 32:59

Yes, sir. Yep.

SPEAKER_03 33:02

Yeah. Yeah, I I I have an eye for that. I I played with SolidWorks for probably two decades, but yeah, that's awesome.

SPEAKER_00 33:09

Yeah, yeah, me as me as well. I I got my certification about 25 years ago and I own my LC, so well. Heck yeah.

SPEAKER_03 33:18

Heck yeah. Looks like it'd be pretty effective. It does. I like that the profile is is interesting. I like it. Got some top gas.

SPEAKER_00 33:28

Yeah, pretty uh aggressive angle. The uh my uh the design intent of this muzzle brake um for me personally was that I yeah and and like I say, this is seven years ago, but now we're with with all the the breaks on on uh on suppressors, we're hearing people talk of you know complaining about concussion. And uh I noticed that years ago. Um noticed it shooting a lot of 300 Norma. Um at the end of the day, my my head's just pounding. I'm like, man, I don't uh maybe the young kids could do this, but I can't it this this is affecting my focus, right? Yeah, yeah. And uh so that's that's kind of how I I I spent a long time tweaking it to try to not lose any uh um recoil reduction or muzzle rise, but keep some of that concussion away from the shooter. It's a lot, it's a lot like what the the suppressor brakes are doing from the suppressor side of things. I was doing from the muzzle brake side of things, right?

SPEAKER_03 34:28

Uh Beamer's got some experience making muzzle brakes. Yeah. Do I? I mean you told me a really funny story about making one and having somebody in Wichita machine it up for you. Oh, well you were a little you were a little ahead of your time, maybe.

SPEAKER_05 34:46

It wasn't exactly uh a muzzle brake. It was trying to be a muzzle brake suppressor thing, but I uh looks like everybody else beat me to market. Yeah, legally. That's all right. Yeah, legally.

SPEAKER_06 35:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 35:03

My version uh well, it did the sound that I wanted it to make, but it did not have the accuracy that I had hoped for. Yeah. Oh man, that's a good story. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I w wanted to come up with either uh like a you know good muzzle brakes to add to suppressors, you know, that would actually work, but then you know, just didn't get anything done with it, unfortunately. And then now it's freaking taking over the sports. It's everywhere, yeah. But that's how it goes. That's how it goes.

SPEAKER_03 35:38

Of course, did you got any you got any interest in you know, like kind of like the recoil X or something, but maybe taking this kind of unique design and adapting it to uh you know some suppressor threads?

SPEAKER_00 35:50

Uh well I I've got a Recoil X. And actually, um before the Recoil X existed, um I had I had buddies come up to me and say, hey, you really need to take baffles and and and screw them on the on the, you know, it was right when uh when Thunderbeast came out with the Magnus line, right? Yeah, and uh and and you you could see right away, I actually I actually talked to Sam and those guys, and I'm like, man, kind of drop a ball on this. And they're like, well, you know, we don't really make muzzle brakes, we we we put we we make great suppressors. We don't really this is just a thing that goes on the end. I'm like, all right, well, that makes sense. Um and honestly, the reason that I didn't go that direction is because of um because of the way that suppressor laws had been changing. I didn't really I I did not uh did a little bit of research and I didn't really feel super comfortable um that that I was gonna be able to invest a bunch of time and then not be sitting on something that um that would be an NFA item. Uh obviously these guys all figured it out and more power to them. It's it's super cool seeing um uh you know all the different muzzle devices in the sport. And um, you know, it's it really comes well, it's kind of like chassis and stocks and whatever, like they're all good, right? You gotta you just gotta run what you prefer and you gotta try them all to figure out what you prep what works best for you. But um, yeah, so more power to them is pretty it's pretty rad. I did think about doing it. Um, and I just didn't have the coneies to to uh to throw it on the table.

SPEAKER_03 37:20

Sure. Sure. What uh let's talk about your setup for this weekend then uh your winning setup. What um yeah, you had decent wind. What uh what caliber were you shooting?

SPEAKER_00 37:31

Six dasher.

SPEAKER_03 37:32

Okay, yes, it seemed seems to win a lot of matches.

SPEAKER_00 37:35

Yep, yep, it's an easy button. Six Dasher and uh one ten Sierras. I've been shooting for the last two years. Um all my national wins have been with one ten Sierras. Right on. Right on. Yeah, watched in uh 4350, so I'm not running Vargot like most people are. In the dasher? Yep, ran 4350 in the dasher.

SPEAKER_03 37:56

With uh with one ten, yeah, that is really unconventional.

SPEAKER_00 37:59

Yeah, yeah.

unknown 38:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 38:02

I'm not gonna ask you how many grains and primaries and all that and what what's your shooting depth? Uh what's uh your uh uh MPH? Yep, yep. Okay. Yeah. And and uh March scopes?

SPEAKER_00 38:18

No, Paulus, still shooting poliscopes. Here's another funny story. So I broke the cardinal rule going into this match, okay.

SPEAKER_03 38:25

Um you posted your group pick or your group size online. No, no, no. Um the other cardinal rule.

SPEAKER_00 38:31

Yeah, well everybody knows that you don't mount a scope and then take it to a match, right? You know, I mean, you don't do like like like take it like throwing a bunch of new stuff together and then just taking it to a match. I mean, did you just take this scope out of the box?

SPEAKER_03 38:46

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:46

So wow.

SPEAKER_03 38:48

So I I would run with that. I mean, like a scope's not gonna be any better than first out of the box, right? Well that it wasn't even that wasn't even the plan, right?

SPEAKER_00 38:56

I've got I've got my I've got my match gun, it's all you know, I've I've checked my load, I've I've I've loaded all the ammo, we're good to go. I got 300 rounds, but I'm driving. So there's there's really no reason to not bring a backup gun, right? Yeah. Well, so my backup gun's got it's got a high round count. And I'm like, okay, well, let's let's so I I grab a barrel from 2024 with a lower round count and I spin that on, and then I look at this collis box, and it's the it's the new, what do they call it, the revisit, the 540i. It's it's the it's the new one with a 10 mil uh windage turret, right? Sure. And uh, so I'm like, well, I'll throw this thing on, and when I'm done with the match, I can, you know, you practice with the leftover ammo and whatever. And and uh I get to Parma and I was talking to Rusty, and I'm like, man, I know I know I probably shouldn't do this, but damn if this this my backup gun's shooting a little bit better.

SPEAKER_04 39:49

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 39:50

Yeah with the load that I developed for the other gun. So um, yeah, I kind of had to think of that, think on that over dinner, but um Did you shoot the backup then? Yep. Yep. Well I what do you do? You know, you call anyone of your friends, you'd be like, man, I got these two guns and one shoots better. Which one should I shoot at the map? Yeah, the one that shoots. The one that shoots better. Yeah. Um, so yeah, I was it's an old barrel from 2024 with a brand new scope on it, and and um and uh yeah, sometimes you get lefty.

SPEAKER_03 40:17

Sometimes. Are you uh so collis, and I I I'd shot collis for a lot of years, um, and then and then switched to loophold. I always wonder about going back and using the left-hand windage. Do you use left-handed windage?

SPEAKER_00 40:33

Oh yeah, I love it.

SPEAKER_03 40:35

Oh yeah. I man, being able to just see it there and not have to like lean your head over it. Exactly. I think yeah, and and you know, our our lefty friends have that same situation. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:47

I I don't typically dial wind very much. Um but I have found myself, especially with you know some of the some of the tighter part-times that we're that some of the matches are running these days and whatnot, um, doing a little bit of that uh to aid holdovers and whatnot. Um and it makes it less uh I'm more apt to do it when I can just open my left eye and and and and and see right where I'm at and give it a couple clicks one way or the other. Um so yeah, I mean it's not a it's not a game changer, but um definitely why not? Why wouldn't you, right?

SPEAKER_03 41:22

I I yeah, I don't know. I uh I just uh I haven't had I haven't been so intrigued now that I'm uh I'm marginally a better shooter than I was six years ago when I was using a college, but to be like, you know what, I want to give that left-hand windage thing a try. But it is it is intriguing, you know? I'm surprised that more manufacturers don't do it.

SPEAKER_00 41:44

You know Yeah, I I am as well. I mean it's it's it's not like I say, I don't I don't feel like it's a feature that's gonna make or break a scope, but um but uh yeah I've been having I've been having really good luck with with uh with all the all the new models. Um ran the five to twenty-fives for years and then um and uh yeah it's just kind of a bonus, right?

unknown 42:06

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 42:07

Same thing with the whole male windage turret. Like I don't I don't know why you need tiny hash marks on a windage turret when you know what I mean. It's not like we're spinning that thing around a whole bunch.

SPEAKER_03 42:17

What's the most wind you've ever held or ever shot with? Two?

SPEAKER_04 42:22

No three?

SPEAKER_00 42:23

No, on the big gun shooting out. I mean, you know, three or four. I mean I've three or four. Well, so I shot a one-day match in eastern Washington not too long ago.

SPEAKER_04 42:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:36

And it it's it's one of the few times I can remember that we were holding more elevation than wind. More more wind than elevation. More wind than elevation. Yeah. I I I dialed one eight for a target, and it was a closer target, and we were holding two mils of wind.

unknown 42:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:53

And then we had a long range stage, and I dialed two on the gun to start, and I think I was holding another one plus.

SPEAKER_03 43:01

Yeah. Oh yeah, you can have that. I mean, uh 25 mile an hour full value wind at 400 is more. You know, that's gonna be two mils of wind and you know, one point something elevation.

SPEAKER_00 43:12

Yep. Yep, that's that was that was pretty much the scenario.

SPEAKER_05 43:16

Yeah. I've had uh I've had a few times where I've had four mils of wind dialed on and had to hold more.

SPEAKER_03 43:23

That's crazy. Yeah. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 43:27

Yeah, I yeah, that's another thing I wonder. Yep. Well, yeah, yeah, that's saying that doesn't surprise me a bit.

SPEAKER_03 43:34

But how often do we do we actually have that much you know in a rival?

SPEAKER_05 43:39

Well, it's rare for sure.

SPEAKER_03 43:40

Uh yeah, t 10 mils on the windage turret seems a little a little bit much, but I mean I almost think if you went two and a half in each direction and made the clicks like really far apart, like that would be that would be uh more favorable for me, you know. I like I don't know how like clay. Clay knows exactly how much wind is in his his turret. And just, yep, I'm at eight. I need to go to one three.

SPEAKER_05 44:14

Well, it counts the clicks, I guess.

SPEAKER_03 44:16

Yeah. Maybe he doesn't even have to mentally count. But like I'm not that way. I I need I need help. And if it was on the left side and they were like a long ways apart, money. Yeah. Yay. Hey. Well, Corson, man, uh any any parting words here? Congrats again on a win. No, thanks. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:40

Hopefully, um, yeah, pick up some momentum now. It's it's been a rough time to the season, so so uh It is only May.

SPEAKER_03 44:52

You know, I uh we gotta think. I there we still have realistically five months of shooting left. Yeah. You know? Yep, yep. So you should do all right. Yeah, heck yeah. Cool, man.

SPEAKER_04 45:03

Thanks for having me, Collins.

SPEAKER_03 45:04

Yeah, thanks for coming on. It's good to see you, buddy. Shannon. What up, guys?

SPEAKER_01 45:10

Welcome to the show. Yeah, baby. Long time there to see you, buddy. What's up, brother? Yeah, I did like no prep for this gentleman. Like can't text me. I'm like, yeah, Dan, I sounds good, man. Just text me, I'll ring in. That's perfect.

SPEAKER_03 45:22

That's the way to do it. Yeah. Yeah. We don't we don't need we don't need prep for this. It's just just dudes having a conversation. Yeah. Yeah. Another Memorial Day weekend, holiday weekend, another match. I mean, you've been doing this for how many, well, how many years in Tennessee have you done the collis match on holiday weekend?

SPEAKER_01 45:43

15, if I had to guess. So I think the first one was the first year to PRS. Um, that was 11. Oh my gosh. Yeah. 11 down down south, and then in Tennessee, 15 was the first one. Actually, I think that one was in August because that wasn't open yet. Yeah, Brutal. Like what's out there. Yeah, I mean, it's kind of funny if you look back to what it how it started, how the sport evolved in, I guess 15, 14 years, you know. Um it's it's it's kind of crazy. The the numbers, I remember we were one of the first ones as a the sport kind of took off and we hit like 75. And that was that was massive. Massive, yeah. And then uh um, you know, the scoring and all the things, you know, the feedback from the shooters and and leadership uh throughout the years, uh, it's kind of funny. But yeah, the history wise memorial day because I was still active. And oh I knew I could get it like we're typically, unless we're deployed, I knew I'd always get a four-day weekend so I could actually run the event. And so when I retired, I was like, well, man, it's kind of nice. I mean, it fails. I mean, everyone there's people have the weekend off, and it's the biggest, yep, biggest one-day match that's out there. So let's just at least individual, right? So let's uh um individual matches, say not one day, but uh so I just kind of left it and and it's obviously it may say for us for all the guys.

SPEAKER_03 47:14

So yeah, it I mean it's it's a huge part of the series. We have 215 uh on impact scoring right now. That's uh yeah, and it's it's been that way every year, right? It's it's always been 200 plus.

SPEAKER_01 47:29

So the 200 plus four or five years. It ebbs it ebbs and flow on, you know, I guess just depends on, you know, I know there's a lot of guys that that chastise me. Man, I weekends my my family thing and this set, whatever. And and um, yeah, I think I'll be 217. So take your depending on the weather, five, ten percent reduction. Yeah, hopefully it stays above two, because we've had that for for quite a bit. So is there anyone hanging with us this year so far? Are we are we uh under script to lose the title? Over 200. Um uh Prentice maybe.

SPEAKER_05 48:01

I saw um yeah, but uh yeah, yeah. I think Prentice might have hit 200. I think he's a shade under.

SPEAKER_03 48:10

Uh let's let's take a look. This is what this show is all about, Shannon. We just uh look at numbers.

SPEAKER_05 48:16

Yeah, that's it. Um I just I did have the thought just uh just a second ago that I I bet it's not even a close second place, but you and KM you easily have to have hosted the most PRS shooters of of any.

SPEAKER_01 48:33

Oh, I definitely yeah, I think of any of any match, any of any range. The the diversification, I think we pulled that data one year and it was um yeah, the amount of throughput of different shooters through KM um is pretty high. Now, some of that's because we tie a couple, you know, um competition prep courses that people travel over the country to come to. And and then I think it's just kind of uh uh you know, people like it, so I think they talk it up, which we really appreciate. And they're like, man, you gotta do this at least once. So maybe it's not in the carts for for certain guys like uh every year, like it is for Lop, but certain guys in the West Coast, maybe Central or Linda. They're like, yeah, man, I'm I I gotta hit it and they'll find a reason to come down, which is pretty cool. I think one.

SPEAKER_03 49:20

As I say, I remember talking with uh Chad and Francis one year. Was it uh 21 or 22, where they they said that I mean they they shot Collis, they shot the grind, they shot the finale, and they shot the AG Cup all at AM.

SPEAKER_01 49:39

And that those years are brutal. Then it'll come back in two years because they're burnt out on the post. You know, there's a lot of yeah, that's always a problem with um, you know, I think too much throughput. I think, you know, um, you know, that that that was a worry, but it was also I think we're I was wearing your shoes, right? I was running the PRS and helping Tom and and we're wide open. I'm like, you know what, man, this just makes sense, let's just do it. You know, and the and the AG Cup was essentially revenue neutral, you know, just trying to get back. So Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 50:15

I don't I you know, I think back to I think back to those years where you're running the finale, you're running collis, you're running grind, running the PRS, trying to build I mean, building your range still at the time. I mean, you're you're never gonna stop building because that's just in your DNA, but I mean, you had a lot of uncovered firing line, you know, and a lot of dirt yet to move. And it's just amazing that you guys put so much into that place that you did, you know, throughout that time, right? And had, you know, uh a baby in the house too, right?

SPEAKER_01 50:49

Yeah, I mean, I I think we yeah, there was when we were doing we're trying when, you know, KM's growing, obviously Pierce was, you know, uh, you know, we we got it, we we circled the wagons, we grew it, and you know, four years and and doing all and then and then the growth of of both those, both KM and that, that was tough. That was um, yeah, those bills are due right now. You could see them like we got through it. Like, I'm still exhausted, you know. Um and and um, you know, I think uh, you know, K and real KM really benefited from from that. And then that, you know, um, you know, that throughput, you know, I look at it now, and for the for guys that the new guy, I guess is for the new guys that are paying attention, like, well, you know, what is KM? You know, it's here are all these big matches. Well, really the matches are listen, well under 10% of what we do. Um, it's important part we do, but it didn't start that way. That was how we got the name out there. You know, we were out there shooting and and competing, and uh, you know, then one thing led to another, and now it's uh you know, we're so training focused with with those civilian sides. And so um, but the matches uh have always been um I would call them a break because they're actually a tremendous amount of work and every match being, you know, you've done more gosh, you've probably done more matches than me, but in all over the country, which is uh crazy. I don't know about all that.

SPEAKER_05 52:18

It is crazy, but I don't know if it's more.

SPEAKER_01 52:21

But yeah, so you know it it's kind of a good um, it's it's a I think I think it's the spring may uh mainstay. It's kind of when the weather breaks. Kind of get that first kind of oh, it's getting hot out, you know, you that last couple hours, and and I'm just glad the shooters still want to come. And actually this year, you know, every year I go into the course fire, I'm like, oh, too easy. They're gonna say, ah let me let me soften it up. All right, what about the new guys? Oh, dang, it's a qualifier. What about the top guys? You know, what's Kenny gonna say? If it's the most important thing, you don't actually you don't actually think that. No, I mean I mean, if you look at, you know, I do pay attention. I I I mean, obviously I am 99.5% disconnected uh to the the day-to-day operations with the PRS, but I do keep my pulse to it. You know, my guys are out there shooting and um, you know, at least locally and uh when they have time, and and um and I I think last master show was two or three years ago, but that that's so still good for the master, you know, to kind of get in tune, what's everybody doing?

SPEAKER_03 53:26

Oh, 100%. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 53:27

Well, you you see stuff, and I actually AR it pretty quick. So I'll take my course fire at the end um and assess scores. Because you'll have those ones beam, you'll be like, oh, that one's gonna crush them. You're like, what the hell? They just hammered that thing. Right. And you're like, okay, that's just a middle of the road stage. It's you know, maybe it's a little slightly technical or whatever, and it just crushes dudes.

SPEAKER_04 53:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 53:47

And so I'll I'll I'll take which I do on PowerPoint and I'll take notes and I'll be like, too easy for top guys, you know, give them a big, small target instead of maybe one target or you know, whatever it might be. But as someone has been doing it for gosh, you know, 10, 15 years, and then it's not it's not just this one, it's the one day we try to keep it fresh for them. I really developed um as as much as I could with the facility, which obviously we have a lot of options, right? It's odd, man. I think the guys are gonna be like, well, it's a little different flare this year. I I I think they're gonna um I uh just cause I was getting kind of I'm like, no, I think there's one stage that I've done other than the the the peer the tiebreaker. There's one stage that I've done in the past two years.

SPEAKER_03 54:32

No joke.

SPEAKER_01 54:32

Well, talking like a simple tweak, like, hey, you shoot the diamonds from here, okay, shoot the diamonds over there. Diamonds from the helicopter. Yeah, then they like shoot from the platform or shoot them. Yeah, which it which is good, and and and the shooters need it, and they all have different challenges. But I really kind of I think guys are gonna and I've really the really the past four years, just based off the feedback, I'm like, all right, man, I and I think the light's gonna be good. I think we're getting little clouds, little thunderstorms popping in, but um that the long range, at least at the bottom in the flats by the creek. I'm like, you know what, man, I'm just really not gonna push them that far. Like the the days of 11 to 12, it's just too much mirage for him.

SPEAKER_03 55:08

Way too much mirage. That is the only downside of that part of the range is that like if you get low, you just you yeah, you're just swimming through it, you know.

SPEAKER_01 55:18

Yeah, and and then I I I don't want guys to like shoot uh like all right, man, let's let's shoot a big small, let's shoot a minute, and let's shoot a half minute and kind of walk it out to a thousand and then shoot it. Everybody's like, oh man, it's KM. You didn't know you had a whole three tensile high and you know, you're and the guy's like, What? Yeah, exactly. Um so yeah, and um, so I kind of minute minimize that as much as I possibly can. I can't try to keep it out. 900 is a little easier because it's up on the hill, but yeah, but um with all the expansions, I got more room deep. And honestly, um, you know, the the distance is not uh I I really evolved, which I you know, to be frank, I probably wasn't that good. I think we all evolved in the past 10 to 15 years. It's like, man, just because I can or just because I have this distance doesn't mean I should. Yeah. Or should I have like incredibly small targets all the way across the board, given the audience you're like, man, I want the best cheaters to hash it. I don't want to leave any you get to a point where you get into statistics. Yeah, and and chance, and I and I try to try to try to avoid that. So I think it's it's it's gonna be it's gonna be a match. We'll be fine.

SPEAKER_03 56:27

Yeah. So what is what is the biggest target you got on a whole course of fire? It's probably at the front end of a TYL rack or KYL rack, right? But what is the biggest?

SPEAKER_01 56:36

The biggest target I have is a full-size IpsyC at 700 and some change. But it's positional and it's feel fire, and they have to walk it out, which is not a hard stage, yeah. Manageable. Yeah, um, that's the biggest one I have. But you have to it and there's I mean you have to understand too, there's um, you know, watching these podcasts and seeing, you know, a lot of this is that the audience, it's not just the new guys, but a lot of the core is like, hey man, I'm I live and breathe competitive shooting. And one thing that run in the the PRS told me and being and being around as long as I'm like, man, you gotta you gotta count for those guys and you're gonna challenge them, make it fair for them. That that that that's one box, but the box right next to it at the same level is like, all right, man, are the dudes that are shooting at 50%, are they gonna have fun? Do they have a chance? Yeah, and and I I get away with I I use a lot of big small. Obviously, we have I think probably more targetry than anybody, but um, I use a lot of big small kind of and I kind of learn that from the grind, like, hey man, how do I get 400 people through challenge the pros and yeah, and um and so it that helps, you know, the newer guys, the 50% guys, the guys get in a year or two, like, hey, I can so I can still go have some fun. I'm I'm gonna hit some steel and I'm not popping ones, twos, and threes, you know, for for 20 stages, you know. Um, and then I'll reassess. I mean, I'd love to sit here and be like, I got it right. But dude, I had a speech the other day at the one day I thought I was gonna get tarred and feathered. I mean, I was this like just concepts, not the exact stage. And I made him transition a pretty, pretty big transition. I, you know, I don't know, maybe 50 50, 60 degrees. But I had him dial, do a field fire one through five, and they're like, I don't know, uh, eight to twelve inch plates from like four to six, and then scanned all the way, 60 degrees for a reset at a thousand yards at a big ipsick. And no one, I mean, I think seven was the highest score. And and I had a I had to apologize to the boys. Um boys that one got away from me. I think you know, but you're not doing that at KM. I'm like, no, no, I don't go out, no, I don't know, no, sorry, guys. So yeah.

SPEAKER_03 58:55

I I mean that that's that's as as a good match director, you kind of fall into a trap like that once in a while, though, right? Where you're like, man, I can especially at KM and all the development you've done and the wicked angles and stuff that you now like, especially in the back half of the range, like where you're kind of like, I I want to do I can do this, so I want to do this, right? Where you give a big left right.

SPEAKER_01 59:17

Yeah, yeah. I mean, and that's a whole, especially, I mean, you you got the data can better than I do. We we do get guys traveling from all over the country, but the meat's still coming from uh from the southeast. And so we just don't have a lot of land and opportunities out here to scan. So what we would do down here, like say a scan, move 60 degrees back.

SPEAKER_03 59:36

Yeah, it's not that much. It's not a beamer stage in central Kansas, you know.

SPEAKER_01 59:41

Yeah, that's that's unique to a lot of our shooters. It's just, you know, even me when um when I was competing and I'd go out west and oh, I didn't do very good, but then the next one I would because it's just a different even though I I kind of grew up out there, is um you got there's that different feel. And then like that was a bonehead for me. I'm like, well, yeah, well, they do like two minutes, and I'm still doing 90 seconds, and and it's just uh yeah, so you know, got away from me. So uh now we're doing something similar, it's just more manageable, you know. Yeah more manageable at this point.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:13

Yep. Love it. Yeah, I've always I've always thoroughly enjoyed shooting at KM. Every time I've been there, I've had a good time. I think you get you do a really good job of of challenging people and you know, you you have tend to have um maybe somewhat uh more favorable conditions as as far as the wind goes than a lot of ranges. But you put some tiny freaking targets out there. And I remember always something that uh uh I heard Francis say once was how much um shooting at KM rewards uh perfection. And you just you have to have your your system dialed in, you have to be dialed in as a shooter to do well there, and I think the the course of fire as you set up there really, really reward that.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:04

Yeah, I think especially this time of year as the heat surf is coming in, you know, we we've had actually honestly the best eight weeks of turning the weather, really kind of heavy winds for us, right? Oh no shit, yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah, it's it's been great. And and so it just makes our classes d you know, um that much more um, you know, comprehensive. But but typically, yeah, the matches it'll lay down. I'm like, damn it. You know, like damn it. I'm like, no one's clean, are they? It's like it's like you know, but but yeah, there's there's the danger there because, you know, yeah, the top guys, you know, your top 50 guys are coming. Yeah, they're you know, they're what I'd call 80%, maybe some higher if they're top, top, you know, one one one tenth of a guy type guys. You put them on paper, yeah, they're gonna hold a tenth, you know, 85 to 100% of the time. At least they're gonna burn a tenth, right? They're gonna they're gonna burn a three-year ball hole. Um, so when you start giving one MOA target with some rough, some win, um time stress, um, and you got guys that are only holding about three, you know, point three, you know, maybe even more, you know, and and maybe, and at that point you lose that fidelity, you know, you know, when you get a tenth of a mil shooter, well, then his zero is refined within a half a mil, tip if he's doing it right and checking his math. But guys are shooting a little bigger, their zero's not that refined. So they they leave the zero range thinking they're, yeah, I'm I'm I'm point aim point impact. Yeah, plus or minus like your shopper, which takes a you can talk to statistics guys. So you start throwing up a bunch of sub or one MOA targets and you're off a tenth, half a tenth, then start getting them in a position, I'll start getting them modified prone, put them under time. That gets um it could it could go south pretty quickly, man. That's that's the hard thing, you know, uh and that that's something I'm I'm proud of too. It's like, hey man, it's a qualifier. How do I that's honestly the biggest challenge? Man, how do I keep 200 and not fall into you know a big easy match, you know, uh and make it make it attainable for like I said, the 50, you know, the meat, you know, the 80% of your shooters, but you're also accounting for the uh you know, the 20% of the top guys, especially on a qualifier match like this. And I think that's every match director's challenge when they're writing a course of fire. It's like, man, how do I how do I get this right across the board? And it's also the beauty of our sport, because we got guys, this will be their first match. We got guys that someone at this match probably historically is gonna win a PRS this year. You know what I'm saying? Um, so um, so that's a obviously a concept that we I think we take for granted sometime, but it's also a challenge for for the MDA, you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:47

Well, let's uh on that note, Shan, I'm gonna I'm gonna put you on the spot here too. Okay. Um I don't know if you if you watch the show all that much. Uh you might need to put your spectacles on for this one, though. Um we're gonna do a pick'em. We're gonna we're gonna see. Oh shit.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:04

I don't dude, I have no idea who's shooting good.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:08

Well, so so I I I filtered I filtered everybody that's registered, right? And I looked at uh uh pros and semi-pros, which if you total those together, a lot of them. It's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:22

And then there's um how many how many shooters is that?

SPEAKER_03 1:04:25

Oh man, because it's filtered. I I don't know. There's there's a 110, probably. Okay. Well, uh, I mean, you you don't have to. Like we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna go, we'll we'll take a look at these pro pro guys, you know, kind of mention them, whatever, just kind of keep keep a little male note. We'll do like a snake draft. So it'll go Shannon, Beamer, me, then I'll pick, and then Beamer picks, and then Shannon, you pick again.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:51

Okay, I I reserve the right to adjust my decision in route as I go through the phase. Okay. So it's not like a chessboard. Like once I move my piece, I I get a I get a win call to Chase, don't I?

SPEAKER_03 1:05:07

No, it it it's pretty simple. And chance chances are one of these guys isn't gonna show up anyway, or or you something will happen. So or their knee's not gonna work. Or Jeff Geary's.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:19

Who's going first? Because Ben always shoots one place pretty well.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:21

Ben always shoots well. So yeah, Ben Gossett, he would be a easy, easy pick. Very strong. Very strong choice. Yep, Braden Mann. Um I mean, Chad Heckler.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:35

Checkler's got success, but I think he's getting soft. He's running his business. What is he doing? Is he shooting? Is he is he can be is he still at the top or is he fading? Well, he's been shooting tech. Now oh, yeah, that sucks. Okay, he's playing. No, not that.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:48

I mean, let's go back to what 2020, 2021. Mark Cooper finished this match second place. Ken Sinoski won the match. I I normally do not remember. I wasn't even at that match, but I remember Ken won by like two impacts, and then Mark Cooper was right there. I mean, Mark Cooper beat 200 people with a 308.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:12

Yeah. So Bradley didn't Grash didn't he win the grind or something? Didn't he do something? Or did he shoot a win?

SPEAKER_03 1:06:19

Bradley uh Grasante?

SPEAKER_01 1:06:21

Yeah. He'd won something. He might have won one of our one days.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:24

No idea. Um Clayton Porter, Cole Hagen bottom. I mean, Cole, does Cole shoot there a lot? He's the training.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:34

He's still on a team. Um I I talked to him a day. He came up. He's bored out of his mind out of Florida.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:41

Yeah, there's a lot of killers signed up. Oh man, Cole Mitchell, Derek Warren could shoot Derek Warren. This is his this is his match, uh key ultra focused small targets. Frederick Mudd. I love that. Frederick. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:57

So Jeff, I heard was gimpy with his knee, but he is. I heard he hammered it with gimp and all at uh the past week or so. So that's what he's doing.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:07

He's still he's still shooting really good, but like it is there a lot of movement. So this is a question for the master.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:13

Is there a ton of movement in the No, there's no stairs or anything, you know, through throughput. I mean, it'll be a good throughput because you're looking at uh you know 10 man squaws, so super fine, it'll be a good match. But there is um, you know, it's 90 seconds, so um there's some movement, but I don't think anything he can't lip through, depending on how bad he's he's can't be. So, you know, Jeff, you always gotta watch Jeff. I I've been watching Jeff for uh gosh, I I don't know if Jeff he's always been a member, I haven't seen him in a while, but um, you know, I remember him getting on me when I was, hey, you can let me win one someday. And now And you did. We talked about that on the show. So now he's now he's I would he win six last year or something, like in a row? Like just he won five in a row.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:53

Five in a row. Yeah, just did he win seven matches last year? I think he won seven total. Crazy.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:01

Josh Edge, yeah, Keith, Yuki, Gail, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:05

All those dudes can win it. Keith, Keith, Ken, I'll tell you Kevin Rich. Go to line 87 and leave Petros. He's local. He's local. He could uh um he could he is one OCD guy, and it takes one to know one. Uh even Levi could do it. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:24

Levi could do it. Logan McGuinness. Well, yeah, Matt Russo. Mike Louie's gonna be there. Yeah, we should used to do training a lot there.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:35

Maybe we're yeah, he doesn't, he's not gonna, he hasn't shot show, but uh uh I think that's just coming back for us. Yeah, so um tongue it so there's about 20 dudes we just popped off.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:49

Yeah, I want to give a shout out to Richard Dyas. I I don't know if he's really he he is. He live I I believe he lives in Michigan now.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:57

Um Colorado for a while, I think.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:00

He did, yeah. Yeah, yep. Um I'd love to see him in person again. Uh Bradley's gonna be there, Thomas Crosson, Tracy Smith. Tracy Smith hasn't shot a long time, has he? That's awesome.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:13

See, what I don't know, boys, is I don't know who's hot. You know what I'm saying? Because I'm not out shooting with him.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:17

Uh but I you got a lot of names there.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:21

We do this every week, and I'm we had three guys that we overlooked at Parma last week who were all semi-pros that we had three semi-pros and one guy who was unclassed, I think, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:09:33

Yeah, but this is like I mean, every now and then that that that guy wins a masters, right? But at the end of the day, it's like it's a lot of pressure. I mean, you maybe you and KM, I mean, that's you know, there's a couple matches. Hornerty, you know, there's a couple matches out there, you know. That you win them, you're like, okay, man, you do you and if it's the first win, you you've kind of arrived, you know. And then it does those shooters get that confidence boost. Dude, if I could do that there, then I could with all those dudes, then I can do it anywhere.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:59

So let's let's all be on the same page. I don't think whoever wins this match is a first-time winner. I agree.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:07

Yeah, it's just too it's too technical. Um and it's there's too much pressure. And, you know, maybe not every target, but there's just enough target sizes where you, you know, you're gonna bleed one. You're gonna bleed some and how you react, and you gotta see it, and you gotta get back on it, and uh, and you gotta recover. And, you know, we got some, you know, last I checked, it looks like it was gonna be sunny. I think it's gonna be cloudy, so the light conditions are gonna be good. So it favors the shooters for sure. But you think we might have some thunderstorms, little stuff, nothing like downpours. Little stuff that that wind picks up at the wrong and right stage, yeah. Uh it could um it could affect you.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:47

I don't mind shooting in a rain there. I mean, everything's covered, so that's a huge bonus. Plus, the rain tells you exactly what's happening downrange.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:55

So what do you what what would you what do you think the winning hit percentage is gonna be? Oh, I'm gonna write this down.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:01

Well, that's hard to do. That's hard to do.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:04

Um uh how many how many total shots? You doing 20 stages, 10 round stages?

SPEAKER_01 1:11:09

Let me pull my course of fire up, boys. Let me just mad boy a little bit. Okay. Uh choose your tires. There's a drop, even for the top guys, there's a drop one. So hustle, maybe one or two. I'd say ninety three percent.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:33

No. All right. So out of well, where have I been? I guess is better. Two 200 200 shots. So you're saying 180 out of 200.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:41

There's 192 shots. I think the winner is gonna shoot between 90 and 93 percent of the total um possible. Which and I'm just going off my my one days, because we do get a lot of top guys in my one days. And someone, when you have two or guys, someone's gonna so some either or a couple, they're gonna get in the zone. They're gonna get a hot hand, yeah. Yeah, they're just gonna get hot, and there's there's nothing you can do about it. So I think the I think the top guys are gonna be between that 93 and 87 percent. Yeah, and then it's gonna get real racked and stacked, kind of behind that. That that's percentage of of uh target, you know, yeah, target points possible.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:22

Yeah. All right. Let's go let's go six full rounds. I think we gotta go even numbers so we get the snake draft a couple times in there. Um who are you picking first, Shannon?

SPEAKER_04 1:12:36

So I get a pick and he comes off the board. Yep.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:40

All right. So I like that. Ben's got a good attitude. I think I'm gonna go with Ben. He always shoots the placebo. I don't think he's I don't think he's shot. I haven't been top five. I've seen him at at the uh and I don't know how he's shooting right now, how much he's been shooting, but uh, oh he's been there. Yeah, he's he's gonna be.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:58

Oh yeah. Yeah, gotta go with Ben. Yeah, go with Ben. Yep. Uh uh I'm gonna go ahead. I'm gonna go ahead and peel uh Kale off the board. You're taking Kale. Yeah, yeah. I'm gonna He's already won for me this year, so I gotta stick with him. Alright.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:20

Uh where is he? Harmon. I think he's a scroll down. There he is. All right, there he is. Kale Harmon. Alright, and I get I get two picks here.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:35

Um I'm taking Keith Rudisell. Yeah, yeah. He did say that he doesn't feel like he's a strong KM shooter, but that's kind of I don't think he's he hasn't done poorly to replace.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:47

I don't think he's do. He's definitely do.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:51

Yeah. And I'm gonna follow it up. Uh I would have taken Jeff Geary. That is such a gamble, but it is.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:02

I was just I was just thinking about gambling on him myself. He didn't go first round, but all right. Yeah. Uh scroll back up for me. Oh, there you go.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:13

Uh Brad Wright.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:17

Take Brad Wright.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:19

I love Brad. I see I got a little bit of insight because like some of these guys are like members, so I know how much they're trending or how much they're not trending at. I see like Brad. Yeah, that's that's part of your that's part of your in inside knowledge. I mean, unless you cheat, I mean cheat somewhere else.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:35

Um I'm gonna I'm gonna go Sonofsky. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:42

All right, back to you, Shannon. You get two in a row.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:44

Okay, I think it would be a mistake not to pull uh Lee. Yeah, I think head trucks on there for sure. And then um God, just knewing guys, is is Matt shooting good these days? He's back.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:03

Matt Caruso? Yeah, he'd be he'd be strong pick for sure.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:07

Yeah, or excuse me, let me scroll up, Ken. Let me go with my other options. You know, Hembry can Hembry knows the place. Hembry knows the wind. So you get you can't, he's he's somebody that that could do it. I don't know how much he's been shooting. If he still lives close by, but he's I've only seen him. I've seen him once, so uh uh Chaz shooting at three 308. So I'm just gonna that's just the wind blows a little. Yeah, it's just tough, man.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:33

Gamble.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:33

Yeah. Um so he's handicapping himself there. Higginbottom could do it. Um, Hunter Neil, he crushes my place. Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:43

You taking Hunter Neil? Oh, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:44

He he can handle this place. Yeah, absolutely. I I love it. Young gun.

unknown 1:15:52

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:53

All right, back to me. Uh um uh I'll go ahead and take Carissa. That's a good that's a good pick. Uh where you were you were just there.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:05

Uh one of you. Yeah, one of the um I'm gonna go for it. And I'm taking Chad Eckler. There you go. Gambler. Gambler.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:28

Tag shooter, tag shooter, one knee shooter.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:32

Yep. And uh I'll take Josh Edge, who likely should have been on the call, but busy making his ammo and probably trying to figure out why it's not shooting, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:46

Okay, back to Beamer.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:51

Man, there's so many. Oh, uh Warren, Derek Warren. Derek Warren.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:56

Uh right there. 70, yep.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:01

Gosh, there's so many good names.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:03

And Warren won one already this year. He won Indiana, I think, right? We had him on. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:10

All right, is that at the top of the list? Kid. Yep. Yeah. All right. So Brad, Britain, there's some studs out here left. So I'm thinking at this point. Wayne Shelley. How many rounds are you going?

SPEAKER_03 1:17:24

Uh you got four uh three more picks.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:28

Okay, so I got two right now, though. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:30

Two right now.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:30

All right. So you got is Keith Baker shooting uh a bunch of yes, yeah. Keith's been shooting good. He's shooting.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:37

I think he's he's he's had he's had several podiums already. A couple of podiums anyway.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:43

All right, I'm gonna I I I got I gotta I gotta go political boys. So I I I got I know Cole, I don't know how much Cole's been shooting. Unfortunately, I know how much Kevin's been shooting because he's in my GM. It's been like nothing. But I'm gonna go with my boys. We'll go with Cole and Kevin. Cole with Kevin. Okay. When's the last time I one of my team guys uh are you doing are you Mitchell or Higginbottom?

SPEAKER_05 1:18:04

Higginbottom. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:06

He's retired.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:07

He should be hammering.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:09

Should be.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:10

Yeah, but he's pretty efficient.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:12

That's the problem.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:14

Oh yeah, Kevin Rich. Yeah. So far, I mean, I would not be surprised to see any one of these guys.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:24

Uh all right, I'm gonna go ahead and uh I'm gonna go ahead and pull Elaine Shelley.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:29

Oh, that was my next pick.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:31

Yeah. That's why. Yeah. Your poker, your poker face was terrible. There's still so many good picks, though.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:41

I know. Um I'm gonna go I'm gonna go Joshua.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:49

There's a bunch of dudes on there. I wonder if they watch this stuff and they get pissed. They're like, all right, Mother.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:54

I guess I think they do. I think they do. I think they do.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:58

Yeah. Um like Kyle Lamb could probably do. He's a member. He's here every week. Uh Kyle Lamb's a member there? Yeah. Oh yeah. He's that the is that the Kyle Land because don't build his head up, his beef is big enough coming through the gate. You just gotta add today because I called him because he's shooting a bunch of um the hunter matches. I'm like, what's the matter with you, man? You're not coming this weekend. You scared, like you just want the big targets or something? Yeah, and uh so he texted you back like three hours later. He's like, dude, you you hurt my manhood. Can I come here?

SPEAKER_03 1:19:30

You know. I there's no hurting his manhood. I think he'd be solid. All right. I'm gonna take Henry. Yeah, Henry Yeah, I was gonna do it my final pick.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:41

Yeah. Henry's like that, Henry's like that fighter. Seriously. That just needs to put the time, like he needs to just have some time to shoot. He's got his new job working for Science or Co. You know, so he's and uh he still lives 30 minutes away. I've seen him he came out this weekend for all the guys came out and trained a little bit while we were teaching a class. And but uh if he if he could get some time on the range, I he would be yeah, he'd go come off the board a little earlier, I'm sure. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:11

Yeah. Um I think I'm gonna go uh Nate Tonegate. Oh gosh.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:18

Oh, where's he at? Yeah, down here.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:20

Down there hiding where you guys weren't looking.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:25

Yeah, yeah. He was just done. Uh yeah, so he's got some confidence.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:31

He should. He's a damn good shooter. I can't believe we yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:36

And I am feeling strong about my picks.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:39

I would feel pretty good about finishing that way.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:43

Is there anybody in semi-pro or over? Yeah, we should have.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:46

Well, we should have. This is my last pick.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:49

Hey, Gabrielle Dallas, like a young guy.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:52

Like, he could. Ryan A.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:58

He's been around forever. Yeah. Uh yeah. Who you got left, Shannon?

SPEAKER_01 1:21:01

I don't know. Well, I was thinking it was gonna be easy. I saw um Oh, there it's a couple of things. You better pull this is the last pick of everyone. No, I saw I saw Levi, but he's running the gas. Is that a mistake? Oh no, that's why I can't I can't do it. Otherwise, he'd be he'd come off the board earlier. You know, that's gotta be a mistake. What is he doing? Trying to go to worlds or something? Gask.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:23

So there's no gas out of worlds. That is that is a joke. We're gonna repeat though. Uh what uh is that a typo babe?

SPEAKER_01 1:21:35

Did he fat figure it or something?

SPEAKER_03 1:21:36

Man, I I've never seen call me babe.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:39

I'm a Joel's talking. Come on, fuck that in, babe. Say hello.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:45

Man, I I don't speak Levi just on the off chance that that's just Levi.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:49

Because I think that's you I don't think you underestimate. He gets on, I don't he could beat anybody. Um and create some distance. So let's go and put Levi on there.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:58

Yeah, I better I bet money he's shooting open.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:04

Well, I did not do that.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:07

Julie is almost perfect at everything, and I will attest to that. Almost I will attest to that.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:14

Uh all right, so I got my buddies, got my teammates, I got strong candidates. I'm I'm feeling good about my picks, boys. Yeah. Uh all right. I I think Cal, Ken. Um, I think Cal Ken, Nathan, beam you're good, Keith. Keith has got a I I don't think he's he's he hasn't quite pulled through at KM. He's just due. He's due. Um Jeff and and Chad can't because they're very familiar with Josh. I don't know. He's you just said he's on checking examination, which means he's a big shooter. So that means he's just Josh is dud.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:52

Um I I feel like I went with all question marks. But any one of those guys could do it. I could see it.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:01

You know, yeah, it just depends. Um, you can't get together for 20 stages over two days, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_04 1:23:09

Yep.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:11

Yeah, yeah. And it's uh just a you know, shooting it it's a ton of pressure to not miss at that place on them small targets.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:22

Let's say so um I don't know, uh Ken, you got the scores from last year with the winter drop.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:28

That's uh think the course of fire is a little bit tougher in the margins, like yeah, in the margins. Like there won't like there's certain stages that will be nines instead of tens. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. Um I think I think I did a pretty good job with the torrent resizes on that. Let's see this really we just have total total impacts.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:50

Yeah, 185. Possibly washed is possibly washed. What's funny about that is that handle, Jeff Gears possibly washed. Uh Austin Bushman is washed. Washed.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:06

Is he not shooting this year, son?

SPEAKER_03 1:24:08

No, he's shooting fine. He's shooting, yeah. Yeah, when it whenever he slips, he's all washed up.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:14

I think we had 190, let me pull it up. Uh so he got 185, so that's a tenth. That's probably real close to a 90.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:21

Yeah, he's probably 190.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:23

So K N 2005.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:25

You're 105. He was third last year. Tongue four. Tongate. Thomas Crossen, he's still on the board. We didn't pick him. Oh man. Yeah, we still have to fifth there last year.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:35

Oh, yeah. See, there's a sleeper guys because I don't pay attention to it. Yeah. All right, so last year we had a hundred.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:40

Yeah, so there's there's Heckler right there shooting tack, ninth place.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:46

So followed by Levi Wilson with a gas gun.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:50

No, so we had two. So we had 192 points last year as well. So dropped seven. Seven divided by one ninety-two.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:00

Six um uh six eight. Yep.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:07

So uh so he only dropped seven last year.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:11

96.3.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:12

Yeah, so I think it's gonna be a little tighter because I mean, good on Jeff. What'd Francis get? Where did where the 184?

SPEAKER_03 1:25:18

And then yeah, and then 181.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:20

Yeah, I still think it's gonna be a couple guy guys like that just absolutely on fire. And then that me, and 181 sets down 10, so even that is 90, what, 92%, if I'm asked right? Yeah, something like that. Yeah, possible. So um yeah, it's just too risky to to you know, have a claim. But I mean, the thing is that my coursifiren easy. So dudes are like, yeah, you're just like, God dang, dude, good sheet. You know, what else are you know?

SPEAKER_05 1:25:52

No, your course fires are definitely not easy. It's just that that's just that's a statement of how much the skill level has has grown in the PRS over the last few years. I mean, it's just like the it's har it's hard to get people to miss anymore.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:14

I'm looking to see if Nicholas Almond had signed up because he'd probably not be classed. And uh do you remember this last year, Shannon? Nicholas was winning after day one.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:26

Was he? Yeah, you guys pay attention to that so much. Everyone's happy, everyone's safe.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:31

Well, but he's a guy from Norway that's sponsored by Kala, so it was like this dude like it's poetic. Yeah, you know, that's how that's how I remember some of these things.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:43

Yeah, Levi finished 10th. Uh then there's Matt, Ben. That's probably the one of the worst finishers I've seen Ben in a while at our place, but it's um he'll come back to the veggie.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:53

He's just like Braden we left on the board too, and he was 15.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:58

Yeah, I mean, I mean you look at that, you know, Ken put up a 177 compared to Guri's 182, and he's back. That's what I'm saying, they can all do that. Brandon had a great match. Ruda's still right there. You know, yeah. Tracy's there, you know.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:13

Tracy. Yeah. Um well the scores are always just so tight. It's like, you know, you always end up with tied shooters and and one shot can move you down. Pittman could shoot well too.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:26

He's look at this. I mean, Orgain was 31st.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:32

And and right behind him is Kevin Rich. And then Bushman washed. There you go. 171. Like Kevin tied with Bushman. So like any one of these guys.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:42

I don't I don't know how the the matches are scored, but you look at there's some heavy hitters right there in the 170s and 17. Yes. That means they dropped 10, 12 points of possible.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:55

So at least no. Uh they they dropped they shot 90%. Of the course fire. Yeah, they drop one stage.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:02

Yeah. I mean, so and that's the thing. It you gotta be on every stage. You you you if the wheels come off one stage, you're you're you're you're 30th. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I'm just gonna train, you know, at this point, because you're not if especially if you're looking to get on the podium, but the um and that's what's cool about the match is like, yeah, I mean, it's it's it's ultra competitive at all levels. I mean, go down to the hundred how many shooters we have last year that actually competed on that can uh two is some change. It's a little bit more two twenty-four showed up. Yeah. And at the let's go to a hundred and um twenty-five shooters is you know race at one, yeah, so at one forty-seven. That's good good time for that guy, you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:50

Oh, yeah, heck yeah. I mean, he's still shot eighty percent.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:53

I mean, they actually that guy right there below you, Clint Beachum.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:57

Clint, he could do really well.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:59

Yeah, we're gonna he's he's jumping on the team as well as Tyler. We're gonna at the match, yeah. So I guess I'll put the cat. He's shooting really, really well. He had he was out in Texas in a in a top five and had a trigger blow up, so he's he's getting after it. He's getting after it.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:13

He's yeah, and a motivated shooter. Um you can see what he's been up to 17, 23rd, 58. This one was stacked at Magnolia, but 23rd there at uh Beamers.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:28

That's the thing. You see, you know, it's not like you know, we we talked about the podium top five. Well, you you go down 30 dudes, you're like, hey man, top 30 dudes can win that match. You know, absolutely and in many cases many have won a a two-day match, you know, um at some point in their career, you know.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:46

So now here now here's a question. Are we going to be having live scoring updates?

SPEAKER_01 1:29:55

Uh yeah, so we gotta s uh well going through impact, like our our our rows um are gonna we're gonna give them battery packs or let me lose their phones. Yeah. So uh even and we tested it last match. We're kinda a little late on a draw compared to Musha getting after it, you know. Um, I don't see why it would not be live scored because we were live scoring it and testing it our one-day match. So even we got a tower, but it's ATT, so ATT is easy, but even the ri Verizon, which is not as good, was still pushing.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:29

Okay, there you go. It's been a couple of years since I've been to KN, but it was still not great Celsius.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:39

Yeah, no, it's much better now. I mean the the Wi-Fi is is or commercial Wi-Fi, but that doesn't hit the lines. But the uh we got a nice tower there. So um, and we didn't we got all that Verizon got pushed. I'm like, all right, that's a mess my test, you know. 100 man one day matched, and I I think we're good, you know. So yeah, I don't see why I would we're we'll definitely do it live. Yeah, awesome. That is good to hear. I was worried about I wasn't as excited as much because you know when you don't like change and we're busy and all that. But um I did catch myself, I'm like, it was like, well, how who's shooting good? I'm like, dude, I don't know. Guys, I don't, I just and like the targets are working and like these are flowing. I'm like, wait a minute. Impact. I'm like, oh, this guy's shooting good. Here's your top five.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:22

Yeah, there you go. Um I'll be tuned in Sunday, you know, Saturday night, take a look, and then all day Sunday kind of watching who's gonna who stay perfect. Because it I mean it it it's fun, it's our life now, but I think it's fun, you know, and and of course coming back to uh you know who we got picked, like you know, I'll be harassing you, Shanna, if uh one of these guys absolutely shifts me.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:47

I mean if I don't get back to you right away, you you understand, but you could you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:54

So uh real quick, uh I had uh so our our our marketing team here, um we had we had we had pretty regular meetings, but we had a meeting this morning. So uh it's myself, Megan, uh who's basically our operations coordinator, does handles almost everything. Uh then Britt Tincup, who is Bill Tincupp's daughter from Impact Scoring, uh does a lot of work, and our fourth person is Missy Gilland, who's obviously been around the sport forever, right?

SPEAKER_04 1:32:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:25

And I, you know, so I I said, hey, Shannon's coming on tonight. And she got all excited. She's like, one of my most favorite moments with Shannon is at the the first KM, which is now uh Altus or well, Ridgeline, that's the the range out of Florida, right? Having a two-day pro series match there where there was pistols involved.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:51

Yeah, so you text me that, Kenny. And I'm like, is he fucking serious? All right. We're better to say something. I'm like, God damn, I'm like, dude, that's like, you know, I'm like, oh, I'm like, what's the angles?

SPEAKER_03 1:33:11

I'm like, you know, well, all right, right. So you've obviously you've advised uh the PRS prior to you owning it, owning it, and then it've advised me quite a bit on things. If I came to you and said, hey, the shooters really want to do pistol, they really want a pistol stage. You've been there.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:32

Yeah, so do you want like the professional political answer, or do you want like Shannon K is like awesome? We need the we need the virality answer. Yeah, exactly. It's fucking stupid. It's a metric's nightmare. I mean, not that, you know, I'm like, God damn, is Ken bored or something? I'm like, what the fuck is that? Like, dude, like, just leave it alone. You know, it's jamming, it's growing like weed. I mean, we we did it, and other guys did it too, and it was they were more, they weren't ultra, you know, you it's not like you're getting guys uh that are good pistol shooters. There will be time eaters and stuff like that. So it ended up being a stress, guys' primary weapon system. So we were there to tell everyone a story. Started raining, it's porn. And um, and I don't know these guys, and it was just a little stage, hey, drop your gun, engage some pistol targets, go prone, and then engage a stage, which is was pretty typical back then. There was there was some more dynamic stuff, but I mean there's so many, but you had to understand mansions were smaller, we had a lot of time, like it, you know, and so cool, let's just make it fun. And and it and so he had uh what holster did he have? What's a holster? A serper holster where everyone's shooting themselves, a lot of places and he was wet and he drew it, and as he pulled it, as he pulled his finger up, obviously he poured the trigger off. And uh bam. Of course, everyone freaked out, stepped stepped away. He was scared to death. He had so much adrenaline, so much adrenaline, he didn't realize he shot himself. And luckily for him, he didn't he didn't get boned, it just went through his thigh. I mean, put put a perfect hole through his leg. And um, I wasn't there at the time. I got called, like, hey man, there's an ND. And back then, ND was like, all right, well, let's go figure it out. Like, you know, and he was shaking. I mean, he was just like freaking out. I mean, his hand shaking. I'm like, all right, man, come on, why don't you why don't you come inside? Let me just talk to you. Because uh, the head shape was literally like 50 yards away. And I'm like, man, are you good? And uh he's man, I don't know. I'm just I'm just really anxious right now. I'm like, something's wrong with this guy. So I do a standard kind of pat down, like, dude, it's got so much clothes on. I'm like, this dude shoot himself and doesn't realize it. Of course, I just got back from, you know, so we were a little seasoned on that. Yeah, yeah, you know, and and I felt blood and I felt a little hole. I'm like, all right, man, you shot yourself. Of course. Then everyone is a squad was like, oh my God, you know, you know, this is not uh any publicity is good plebiscity. I was like, this, you know, it just started off. Like, I don't want like, yeah, you know, what are those cowboys doing down there in Florida? Yeah, god dang it. So we patched him up. I'm like, he's man, I'm so sorry. I'm like, man, you're good. Just, you know, you're gonna need to go to the hospital and you're gonna get this clean, probably tend to shot. They're just gonna just gonna pop some gauze on it, you're gonna deal with it for a month. And um, and so uh one of his buddies were took him to the hospital. And of course, standard procedure for that, if someone has gunshot wounded in the ER, you know, so we got this match going on, and then um and uh cop comes up and he was really cool about it. He said, Hey man, I just need an investigation, but hey man, this is what's going on. These guys are uh shooting this, actually, no, they weren't shooting the stage because at that point I'm like, I do. That's right, that's the part Missy remembers. That's 100% what Missy probably. I forgot I got emotional. Yeah, ceasefire. You fucking knuckleheads, go get your pistols, walk to your cars, put them in your cars, we're done with freaking pistols at this point. I don't know how we did scoring. I don't think it was as emotional back then. It was just like, and that was the last pistol event I did in a in a rifle match. So uh yeah, this is probably you should have had her on. She would have a lot better. Because yeah, I was like, like, how do you shoot yourself, man? Like, holy shit. Like, you know, because we're just starting off, our we're getting our, you know, building up, and of course, that's you know who won that match? Nobody knows. Some dude shot himself on the fire, you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:24

Uh, so yeah. Oh, it's too funny. Well, I appreciate you sharing that story with us.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:30

Yeah, no, it's actually I I forgot it so long ago, but it is actually in hindsight, it's pretty funny. And then the next day, a dude went in the like the analytic shop because it's some ants smoked him. So we're like oh topping them with epies, keeping him alive. So we're like, hey dude, this is an awesome match, man. There's like my people here, too, dudes. The ER, I shouldn't have known right then, like, don't MD, being an MD is not your jam. Like it's just like because like stupid shit happens.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:59

Oh, yeah. Yep. Um here we are. Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:02

I mean, if you think about it, if you tie that into how the sports evolved and the safety procedures, I I don't know if there's incidents that aren't well known, but you know, the procedures are in place, and and guys, it's been a relatively safe inception since the inception of the PRS. And I mean, obviously heartache with people complaining about rules and change, but um gosh, I remember guys, it was not that long ago. BME remember, Ken, I think you were just starting. It's like, hey guys, if a guy has an ND, we need to DQ them. That's like the injured, that's like the standard, like across all shooting sports. Why and there was a lot of pushback for guys on that, you know. Um and so um the uh yeah, it's it's it's evolved a long way.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:48

Yes. Yes. Man, uh awesome having you on, Shannon. Thanks. Uh thanks for the great conversation. And uh as always, have a great match this weekend.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:59

Yeah, good deal. All right, we'll see you guys. Bane, good to see you again, buddy.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:01

Yeah, good to see you, Shannon.