Stop Chasing the Next Best Caliber

Everyone wants to know the best caliber.

6 Dasher? BR? 6GT? 6x47?

But after talking with Nick and Isaac Schnur from Peterson Cartridge, one thing became clear:

The best shooters aren't constantly chasing new equipment—they're mastering the fundamentals.

In this episode, father-and-son PRS competitors Nick and Isaac share what they've learned building competition rifles, transitioning from a 6x47 to a 6 Dasher, helping young shooters get started, and why dry fire, position building, and consistent practice matter far more than chasing the latest gear.

We also dive into:
• How to build the ideal PRS rifle for a youth shooter
• Why they switched to the 6 Dasher
• Common mistakes shooters make when building their first rifle
• The importance of rifle fit and recoil management
• Dry fire routines that actually improve match performance
• Reloading, practice habits, and mental preparation
• Why the PRS community is such a great place for families

If you're trying to decide what caliber to shoot—or wondering if changing equipment is really the answer—this conversation might save you thousands of dollars and months of frustration.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

All right, welcome back to the PRS Podcast. Uh today we have Isaac and Nick Schnurr, uh father and son shooters from Pennsylvania and Peterson cartridge team. Uh what are we gonna talk about today, Nick?

SPEAKER_05 0:10

Uh we're gonna talk about how to build and set up the ideal rifle for a youth shooter. And I'm gonna tell you how to beat your dad in a PRS match by practicing at home.

SPEAKER_00 0:18

All right. End of the show.

unknown 0:22

You're ready.

SPEAKER_00 0:30

Nick and Isaac, thank you for taking some time with us today. Uh how about we do some introductions?

unknown 0:36

Oh?

SPEAKER_04 0:36

Yep. You gotta go ahead and start? Hey guys, I'm Isaac Schnorr, and I'm from Team Peterson.

SPEAKER_00 0:42

Yes. Right on.

SPEAKER_04 0:44

Sound okay?

SPEAKER_00 0:45

Sounds good.

SPEAKER_05 0:46

And uh I'm Nick Schnorr, I'm Isaac's dad. I work for Peterson Cartridge, uh, the customer support guy, answering everybody's questions. I'm sure most of you see me at matches around the area, around the country. Gap grind, Peterson Challenge every year, and uh pretty big part of the PRS now, and things are going really well.

SPEAKER_00 1:05

Awesome. Yeah, and you mentioned Gap Grind registration as yesterday. Yeah, that that got that got a little crazy. Yeah, we had an MDT moment with their website, right? Yeah. What um are you you guys signed up to to shoot together?

SPEAKER_05 1:20

Yeah, uh no. This year we actually mixed it up a little bit, and I'm shooting with our general manager, Aaron Kochik, and uh Isaac's shooting with gauge cables. Oh yeah, so we mixed it up a bit.

SPEAKER_00 1:33

Yeah, and Isaac, are you uh you gotta be excited about shooting with gauge. This is junior junior. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:40

Can't wait.

SPEAKER_00 1:42

That's gonna be awesome. Uh do you think uh do you think you'll have some uh big moments where you learn a lot from shooting with gage?

SPEAKER_04 1:50

I mean, I would think so. I mean, honestly, with seeing him shoot and how well he's been doing, I'm very excited with how it's gonna go this season.

SPEAKER_00 1:58

Right on. Right on. Yeah, and I think uh some coaching moments there. Uh Nick, do you think Isaac is a little bit more open to hearing from Gage or you?

SPEAKER_05 2:09

It's hard to say. He's he's pretty good with about everybody. Uh okay. He had a he had a really good coaching session with Sonowski a few months ago and it went really well. But he's um he's very open to any help that he can get. Like we we've we've never really had a rift, honestly, at the range. Like he didn't want to listen, but everything goes really well. But I think Gage, he'll follow Gage without a doubt. It's hard not to.

SPEAKER_00 2:33

I I would follow Gage if he would take me as Sam, you know. Like I think there's a lot to learn there. Yeah. That'll be awesome. That'll be awesome. All right, Isaac. Uh well, actually, let's start with Nick. You started shooting first, right?

SPEAKER_05 2:46

Yeah. Uh, well, there's a little bit of a break in it, but long time ago, I was uh early 20s. Um started playing around with some long-range precision stuff. Uh was a machinist by trade and uh attended the Thunder Valley Precision Sniper match years ago. Yeah, years ago. And um got into some three gun, some two-gun stuff, USPSA, and then sort of fell out of it for a year or two and ran into archery, like 3D archery side of things with my older son. And um honestly ended up a buddy of mine worked here at Peterson and I came down here for a tour, and I got a job offer not long after the tour. So I uh took a bit of leap of faith and accepted the job and got drug into the PRS that didn't even really know what it was. That was six years.

SPEAKER_00 3:46

That was 2020?

SPEAKER_05 3:47

Yeah, six years ago, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:49

Yeah, and Pierre's is you know a little smaller, a little different back then. And Peterson was a way different company in 2020.

SPEAKER_05 3:56

Right. Yeah, it's not even close to the same. It's a night and day difference.

unknown 4:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 4:00

Four sure. Yeah, that was where it all started.

SPEAKER_00 4:03

Let's take a brief break in the show to give a shout-out to one of our partners. Armageddon gear, official support bag of the Precision Rifle series. The Armageddon Gear Game Changer has entered its place as one of the most trusted support bags in the Precision Rifle world. Whether you're shooting off a barricade, tank trap, or rooftop, the game changer helps create a stable position when it matters most. Made in the USA with quality materials and exceptional attention to detail, it's a piece of gear you'll find on the firing lines everywhere. Go check them out. Armageddongear.com. What was your first role at Peterson? As I know you've changed.

SPEAKER_05 4:38

I made the brass, uh, worked on the cells for five years, and um, it went really, really well. And uh position came open in the customer support side was a shooter and into reloading, and uh it Aaron seemed to think that it'd be a good fit, and it worked out pretty well.

SPEAKER_00 4:54

That's awesome. Yep. Right on. Isaac, when did you start shooting, bud?

SPEAKER_04 5:00

Right around when I was eight years old, my dad had introduced me to some trown matches, shooting long range, and then he then finally introduced me to some one days like SEO challenges at MKM and different things. And then I finally got into pro matches like one or tw one one or two a year at best.

SPEAKER_00 5:20

Then finally That's for the last couple years you've been shooting uh a pro match one or two a year. Okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 5:28

And it's kind of just all evolved into what's what's happening this year and everything that's happening to me.

SPEAKER_00 5:34

Yeah, right on. So the um starting with prone matches, that's actually I mean, that that's perfect, right? So then, you know, a 20-pound rifle, you don't really have to worry about manipulating or anything like that. And it's really finding the target, yep, uh, building a good rear bag, making you know, making a good wind call and then squeezing the trigger.

SPEAKER_05 5:55

That was it. Uh we had a we had a local place here, not far from the shop here. Um they do know your limits matches, and that's kind of where we got our start. Um, he took interest in it. I had the rifle, he shot my rifle.

SPEAKER_02 6:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 6:10

And um it's like, I don't know, an eight-year-old if he's ready or not. I had no idea what to expect. And um, he took to it and it was it was pretty awesome. We had about the third one in, I think, and he was kind of starting to want to reach up for that elevation turret and do everything on his own. And by the time he we turned through the first year of that and got into the second year of it, he was flying on his own. It was pretty good. That was the perfect place to start for a brand new shooter.

SPEAKER_00 6:39

Yeah, yeah. Cause I mean you you learn all the sort of external ballistics and stuff, right? And and recoil, and and you don't have uh the positional stuff. Yeah. Okay. So uh how many years ago was that? Like what year would that have been when you when you were eight? How old are you now? I'm 12. 12, only four years, yeah, which is it feels like a lifetime for you, but some of us. That's not that that's not that long. No, not at all. Yep. So four years ago, um, in the last couple years, you've been shooting some pro matches, right? On top of regional?

SPEAKER_04 7:15

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 7:16

What's been your favorite pro match so far? Ooh.

SPEAKER_04 7:20

Every year the Gap Grind's always an awesome one. We have a whole lot of people come to come watch it and come shoot with it. So it's just awesome to have everybody there with us.

SPEAKER_00 7:29

Yep, you got a big squad of guys that yeah, you're you're partnered with. I love that. Okay. Okay. What um uh all right, let's let's go back to the first first PRS match. Nick, do you remember do you remember what first match that you had Isaac shoot?

SPEAKER_05 7:46

The first match I took him to MKM one day. And I want to say it was about midway through the season.

unknown 7:56

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 7:56

He was getting he was getting tired of laying on his belly. He just wanted to go and shoot some positional. And I had asked Steiner if he'd be okay with me going to bringing Isaac and moving his rifle for him. Got it. Steiner's like, yeah, as long as you as long as everything stays safe, you're good to go. Yeah. And uh so we we jumped on it, we went up and uh I moved his rifle for him all day and he did everything else, and it just worked. And so that was kind of the start of it. We just jumped right in and went with it.

SPEAKER_00 8:26

So, Isaac, you're dialing, you're making win calls.

SPEAKER_04 8:30

Yep, dinner, no.

SPEAKER_00 8:32

Okay. Well, yeah, now you are, but uh for that for that first time though. How did you know how did you know that Isaac was ready to do that, even if you're gonna manipulate the rifle and all that?

SPEAKER_05 8:42

Uh it's the the mindset of safety is number one. Like he had it's we go to a KYL match and he was engaged the entire time, the whole way through the match. He wasn't losing interest, walking out kids do. They then walk around, run around. He was engaged the whole way through, and he was very good with instruction and the safety side of it. I knew like it's basically when could I trust him to actually run one and shoot a positional match? And um, I like I said, I was moving the rifle. I I did I did dial some of the dope for him, things like that, but a vast majority of the actual shooting he was doing on his own. But it took it was like once I felt that he was capable of it and I can trust him on the safety side of things, that's when I went with it. But the safety was paramount.

SPEAKER_00 9:32

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I I've I've asked myself the similar question, right? When when my son, who's 10 right now, like when when is he ready to actually do this? We've shot some rim fire stuff, but um how all right, so let's talk about your rifle system, Isaac. What uh what are you shooting today and how much does everything weigh? Do you know?

SPEAKER_04 9:54

So today, well, for this season, I've just now switched it over to a six-dasher.

SPEAKER_02 10:00

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 10:01

And my rifle system's weighing in right about 23 pounds, 24 pounds.

SPEAKER_05 10:05

Oh my god. He's throwing it around. It's a tank right now. He's still doing pretty well with it.

SPEAKER_00 10:11

So 23 pounds. Yeah, that's enough.

SPEAKER_05 10:16

Yeah, it's more than enough. He there's some times where I'm like, is he gonna like you get to the tail end of a two-day and you can see an enemy's tired?

SPEAKER_00 10:24

Yeah, the rifle's starting to move a little slower from position to position. Okay. So Wow. Wow. How did you guys decide on six-dasher?

SPEAKER_04 10:34

So honestly, I felt like it'd be a lot easier to do the load development for it and do everything else for it, so that it doesn't take up as much time and it's just consistent. I mean, so it's six by forty-seven, but I feel like with the recoil management, it's gonna be a lot easier to go out and shoot a rifle and is that what you were shooting before?

SPEAKER_00 10:54

Was the six forty-seven?

SPEAKER_04 10:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:56

Okay. Yeah, which is considerably more cartridge than a dasher.

SPEAKER_05 11:02

Yeah, we ran those for two year two or three years, I think, and then we decided to kick him over to a dasher.

SPEAKER_00 11:07

Yeah. Were you both running the same caliber?

SPEAKER_05 11:10

We were running, we were both running 47s. I still am. I still run a 47. And uh we just we were kind of spitballing ideas going to this new system this year with the MDT chassis and everything else. And want to make a caliber change. And we had a conversation with Alan out at SAC. It was between the Dasher and a BR, and we ended up going with a Dasher.

SPEAKER_00 11:30

Okay. Okay. And you're still running the six by 47.

SPEAKER_05 11:36

Yeah, yeah. I still run the I've been running a 47 for five years now. Never changed.

SPEAKER_00 11:41

So do you think do you think you'll have some complications, you know, in in loading ammo and the setup and all that? Or you guys have completely separate setups at this point, like we load dasher here, we love 47 here.

SPEAKER_05 11:53

Well, same press, different dies. We both have different sets of dies. Like he loads all his own ammo. He does it all. So he has his own loading blocks, his own dies. We're running off the same press, the Nexus press.

SPEAKER_00 12:05

But he has all just clip clip a die in, clip a die out.

SPEAKER_05 12:09

He's on one side of the bench, I'm on the other.

unknown 12:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 12:11

And two different Tumblers, and he just I let him go.

SPEAKER_00 12:15

Okay. All you've been reloading ammo for at ITEC.

SPEAKER_04 12:20

I think I started around maybe two years ago, just like starting to get into it, but it's been going easier as as time goes on.

SPEAKER_00 12:29

Yep. Yeah, that's incredible. That's incredible.

SPEAKER_05 12:33

He's very good with that. He's he spends a lot of time at the bench and like sizing and learning the measurements and everything. It's uh when I tell people he does it all on his own, a lot of people don't believe it until they see it. Call himself and gets the gets the trickler up and running and everything. It's it's nice. I'm at work and I'll get a FaceTime call. He'll have a question. Yeah. And I'll walk him through it, and he's like, All right, I'll call you if I need anything, and that's it.

SPEAKER_00 12:59

Yeah, right on. Right on. What a what an awesome exercise to go through for, you know, you know, math and you know, right, you know, uh problem solving, like all of that stuff is a is a heck of a learning experience for you. Absolutely. So uh over the last we'll say two years, right? Uh you guys have been shooting PRS, father son, right? Um what Nick, what's been one of the more rewarding things for you in all of this?

SPEAKER_05 13:31

I guess for me, it's how the community has accepted like the like it's when we go to a match, it's my entire family. It's not just Isaac and I. It's my my wife's there, my other two boys come to a lot of them. Uh my older one shot the gap grind last year. He shot with Derek Morgan. Um it's a family thing for us. And the most rewarding thing in my to me are the friendships that we've made since the beginning. And like some of my very best friends in the world have come out of the PRS, and that it's like, I don't know, it's just uh it's a part of us now.

SPEAKER_00 14:05

Yeah, yeah. Isaac, uh same same question to you. Like, what's one of the most rewarding things about getting to do this with your dad?

SPEAKER_04 14:14

It's pretty much really the same exact thing he said. Like, the whole community is awesome with a like my mom, my two brothers, they are they're always supportive with all of this. And then yeah, like I said, the community's great.

SPEAKER_00 14:27

Yeah, yeah. Uh can you guys think back to any times where maybe you made a mistake that like if you knew what you know now, you would go back and do differently.

SPEAKER_05 14:38

Hmm. I'd say for me, well, my first rifle, for what I thought what I thought I needed compared to what I did need.

unknown 14:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 14:48

It was for him because I had already made the mistakes whenever we got him involved. But like my first setup and my first build, it was won't call it a complete waste of money, but it was pretty close. Uh and uh yeah, I just kind of started cold turkey, didn't ask a lot of questions, and just kind of went with it. And um then having to rebuild a system backwards basically.

SPEAKER_00 15:09

And uh but as far let's dig into that a little bit. So what what was your first rifle system?

SPEAKER_05 15:17

First gun was a Stiller Tac 30 action that I had sitting at the house. It had a Bartland barrel on it. It was in 6'5 Creedmoor, and it was in an KRG X-ray, super light. Um, but the X-ray, the X-ray was perfectly fine. I ended up converting it over to a Whiskey 3, and I was running a an old SWFA super sniper in the very beginning.

SPEAKER_00 15:46

Is it a fixed power 10 scope?

SPEAKER_05 15:48

It was a fixed 12.

SPEAKER_00 15:49

12, perfect. I I don't we're yeah, keep going. I'm gonna come back to that. I got some questions.

SPEAKER_05 15:56

Fixed 12 with just mill dots in it, and it it was it was rough to say the least. Um, but you don't know what you don't know. And uh it was very apparent, the very like the very first match, what needed to change. Like it it was there was so much, and I felt way, way, way behind the curve. Kept on shooting one day, and uh buying things as I went along and as it as it went and it ended up working out in the end, but you know, that was the that was the dive in. I mean, I've seen worse too for the first time also, but I mean it was I yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:31

So uh before I come back to that SWF face scope, what what's your rifle setup now?

SPEAKER_05 16:38

Mine. Uh MPA MPA ESR chassis, full weight kit. Uh it's a um it's a Defiance Ruckus, Alpha 11, the sacred rendition of the uh ruckus. Um Bartland Barrel, one and seven and a half twists, running a it's a um CGS Hyperion K with the recoil X on it and the uh Zco 8 to 40 on top.

SPEAKER_00 17:05

That's a little different than the S F F A.

SPEAKER_05 17:09

An MPCT2 reticle in it. And uh that's a good reticle. The gun's not the issue if I'm missing targets, that's for sure.

SPEAKER_00 17:17

Yeah, and it's not the brass. The brass isn't the issue either.

SPEAKER_05 17:20

Definitely not the brass.

SPEAKER_00 17:24

Um all right, so I've I've I've always kind of wondered. Um, you know, and I I we were probably in a similar position back, you know, go back six, you know, 2016 or something like that. And that would have been around the time those SWFA fixed power scopes were out. And I always thought, kind of looking back, I'm like, man, that probably would have been a really good scope to start on. Cause it um how much magnification do you need? You never shoot at 40 power unless you're at a hundred yards, right? With that eight to forty.

SPEAKER_05 17:59

I hover between eighteen and twenty.

SPEAKER_00 18:01

Yep. That's what I was gonna say, I'm fifteen to twenty, usually around eighteen.

SPEAKER_05 18:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:06

Um so I think like a a 12 or 15 power fixed scope, like if it did everything else pretty well, like it would be fine. You know, you get anything out to a thousand yards, like that's not a problem, you know. Um now full mill dot might be a little bit challenging, right? 'Cause Yeah, that was rough. Yeah. I mean uh some of those mill dots are probably bigger than their targets, right?

SPEAKER_05 18:33

Yes. Yeah, that's for sure. They were like the weird elongated ones on the old remote that they were more like a football than a dot.

SPEAKER_00 18:43

So it yeah, and is it wide tall or width? Tall. So it's probably like four tenths tall and two tenths wide or something like that.

SPEAKER_05 18:53

And back then I had no idea what they actually measured. I didn't have a clue.

SPEAKER_00 19:00

Yep. Do you all right? You pick up that rifle today. I'm assuming you I mean you upgraded parts along the way, so you don't have it all together. You pick up that rifle today. Are you still competitive? With that optic, I don't know. I'd I'd be I'd I don't know. In a one-day regional match, you know?

SPEAKER_05 19:22

Yeah, I would I would think I could fight my way through it as long as I didn't have to hold. If I didn't have to be holds, if I was just, you know, if you're dialing everything left edge, holding left edge or right edge on something, and if we're at MKM and it's not a really bad windy day, um, and just dialing everything, I think I'd be okay.

SPEAKER_00 19:42

Yeah. So see what I did there though? Like we went from, man, this is an awful setup, like it did me no justice, right? And then now you're kind of coming back like, you know, I probably could shoot it, right? So I mean that's how much you grew as a shooter, but it's not necessarily the rifle system holding you back, but it certainly wasn't doing you any favors.

unknown 20:02

Right.

SPEAKER_05 20:02

No, it wasn't helping, we'll call it that. Yeah, it definitely wasn't helping.

SPEAKER_00 20:06

Right. Right. So when you decided to to build Isaac a a rifle, you know, and you're like, okay, we're gonna take everything that I've learned, right? Um let's talk about that. So his his setup, um, going go into greater detail. It's uh is an MDT, you said?

SPEAKER_01 20:26

Yeah. Yep, MDT ACT weight.

SPEAKER_00 20:28

Okay. Yep. And what uh Bart line barrel, I'm assuming. Same same Bart line, yeah. What profile barrel are you using?

SPEAKER_04 20:38

Yeah, my MTU contour.

SPEAKER_00 20:40

Probably 24 inches.

SPEAKER_04 20:42

Yep, right on yeah, 22. 24. 24. 24?

SPEAKER_00 20:46

Yeah. I mean that's full that's a full-size rifle. Right. Yeah for yeah, for a full-size uh kid here. That's awesome. Uh what what optic do you have on top of that?

SPEAKER_04 20:57

I have a four to thirty-two Apex Optics scope on top of it. I just got picked up on this year, and that's what I'm running up. Running their rival X.

SPEAKER_00 21:06

Rival X, yep. That's a great scope. That's a great scope. Yeah. Yep. Do you I I mean, Nick, when you look at his setup and what he's able to do with it, I mean, are you a little bit like, well, that's not where I started.

SPEAKER_05 21:19

I mean, I to be honest with you, like him the way I look at it is I I was glad that I did it before and learned lessons because at the end of the day, it saved me money on his like no hundred percent to do and what to do. Like it helped, it definitely helped us out. And then obviously having Alan and those guys out of short action customs, like having those those guys as a resource working through calibers and what to build. And you know, I we always talk to them. And I took him out there and sat him down with Alan and I said, just you guys do what you want to do. And uh it it definitely nice having all of that. Like, I think I think with the PRS, a lot of people that may be on the That are watching it on social media or seeing these guys, like reach out to somebody that you know is a shooter all that they shoot all the time. It's an avid shooter. Reach out to somebody, they'll be happy to give you the the advice, and it's whether or not you take it, I guess, but they'd be happy to give you the advice as far as building your first rig or how to go forward with it.

SPEAKER_00 22:21

Yeah. If you were if you were reached out to by somebody that, you know, is like you just described, right? Like and you know, like, hey, how do I, you know, where do I start? What do you tell them? Where where should somebody start here?

SPEAKER_05 22:34

I uh personally think like a lot of guys say get them into a six five or something. I I send them straight to a six millimeter. And if depending on it's a lot of it's budget dependent, I guess. But you know, MPA makes a great factory rifle. There's the the factory division rifle. If you want to start there, if you want to go straight open class, find yourself a builder and go into a six millimeter. And I don't know, the chassis are all pretty good. I don't know if there's a bad one, honestly. So pick the one you like the looks of.

SPEAKER_00 23:07

Seems like personal preference, doesn't it?

SPEAKER_05 23:09

Right, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:10

Whatever you whatever kind of fits your hand and your length of pull and all of that.

SPEAKER_05 23:16

Right.

SPEAKER_00 23:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 23:17

That was something we fought with with him, was the with the ACC Elite was just a hair long. Um and in the in the tail of the butt stock, we did some milling work on it to shorten it up a little bit. So that definitely uh helped him out quite a bit, but um, it was just a touch long whenever he first got it.

SPEAKER_00 23:35

Yeah, yeah. I'm of uh uh of the mindset to I think a sh I think most people probably run too long of a length of pull.

SPEAKER_05 23:44

I think you're I'd agree with that.

SPEAKER_00 23:47

Yeah, and I think maybe there's some myths or you know, something that grandpa taught us or our dads taught us when we're shooting, you know, how we're supposed to lay down and you know how the rifle's supposed to be positioned on us. And right that stuff doesn't necessarily apply to when, you know, you get on a barricade and now you're way out, you know. Like I I I like to be a lot more compact, you know. I want my shoulder to my my grip uh to be pretty short, you know.

SPEAKER_05 24:15

Yeah, nice and tight. That's a the we put up a picture of him whenever he first got his chassis and the rifle built and we're shooting a match, and he was slightly bladed on one of the barricades, and uh Patty Young's instantly caught like he he saw it immediately, and he goes, It's too long, we have to fix it. And uh that's when we started digging in on how we were gonna mill the back end down and shorten it up. And since we've done that, it's helped him out a lot. But like I guess, and that's another thing. If you don't know what you're looking for, yeah, it feels good, but you're bladed, you need to be square, shoulder square to the target.

SPEAKER_00 24:48

So Yep. Yeah. And and having Patty come out and say that, like, that's I mean, that's exactly what you need, right? You need somebody that's got an eye for something like that.

SPEAKER_02 24:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:58

Let's take a brief break in the show to give a shout out to one of our partners. Armageddon gear, official support bag of the Precision Rifle series. The Armageddon Gear Game Changer has entered its place as one of the most trusted support bags in the Precision Rifle world. Whether you're shooting off a barricade, tank trap, or rooftop, the game changer helps create a stable position when it matters most. Made in the USA with quality materials and exceptional attention to detail, it's a piece of gear you'll find on the firing lines everywhere. Go check them out. Armageddongear.com. Um, you mentioned having Ken Sinoski uh work with Isaac. Um Isaac, how much help have you received? Obviously a lot from your dad. Oh, yeah. Uh who else?

SPEAKER_04 25:40

So I might not be able to name all of them. They're my whole thing.

SPEAKER_00 25:45

Which is a blessing. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_04 25:48

And um I've received help from pretty much everybody. Like everybody's willing to help. Derek Morgan, um, Ken Sinowski, Patty Young, there's a whole handful of them that I might not be able to mention that I forget, but everyone's a yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:07

You guys have a great crowd of competitive shooters there in uh western Pennsylvania, right? Yeah. What um Yeah. What uh what type of things has like Derek or Ken helped you with?

SPEAKER_04 26:25

I mean, I used to have trouble with holding, like learning how to hold and different things. Ken Sinowski helped a lot with that. Holdovers, holders, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:34

Holdovers, sure.

SPEAKER_04 26:35

Yeah. And Derek, Derek's he's just been there to help me with the whole emotional game and everything else.

SPEAKER_00 26:43

Okay. Let's talk about that emotional game. Um, like what uh like successes, failures, um, yeah, all that type of thing. Like what are we talking about?

SPEAKER_04 26:53

Basically, when I was feeling down, like if I'd if I would have a bad stage, he'd tell me, that's fine, just get back up, get your head in the game, and let's get back on track.

SPEAKER_00 27:02

Yeah, we all need that guy. Yeah. Yep. Yeah, I I mean there's a lot of adult men that that that compete here that will let one bad stage turn into another and another and you know, until it ruins your weekend, you know.

SPEAKER_05 27:20

Right.

SPEAKER_00 27:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 27:21

I al I always tell them like we we we always have the conversation on the way to the match, no matter where we're going, is um we're very fortunate to be doing what we're doing, and don't ever forget that. And don't ever forget that everyone's paying attention all the time. And uh that one stage in a week or two, you're probably gonna forget about it. And it's just one of those things like there it it's it's bigger than that 10 second or whatever you want to call it, 120 seconds of a stage. It's so much bigger than that 120 seconds of emotion whenever you ended up zero in a stage. It's gonna be okay. We'll we'll catch you next time, you know.

SPEAKER_00 28:01

So what um what's been some of the things that you've struggled with along the way, Isaac? Like, you know, that you've you've had to overcome, you know, as when with shooting here.

SPEAKER_04 28:16

I mean, pretty much everything.

SPEAKER_02 28:17

I mean like when I started from scratch.

SPEAKER_04 28:22

Yeah, like when I started, I I mean there was a lot of things I had to work on, like my trigger press, how I was bladed, um pretty much everything with how it is and you know, time like it's just been I don't know. A lot of time to get to where you're at. Yeah. How many dry fires?

SPEAKER_00 28:45

Have you put a lot of practice in?

SPEAKER_04 28:47

Yeah. The last month I've put a lot of work in.

SPEAKER_00 28:50

Okay. What what is some of the things that you're working on?

SPEAKER_04 28:53

I'm working on holdovers right now and staying square to the target. But I'm working more on that, so that that might help a little bit.

SPEAKER_05 29:01

Does a lot of does a lot of position building, a lot of dry fire work. Uh buddy Dave Frank built him a barricade for in a yard. Okay. Big giant barricade. And he goes out and um he goes out and does position building and dry fires two, three hundred times in an evening.

SPEAKER_00 29:19

Oh yeah. That's gonna help a lot. Yeah. Yeah. What's what's one of the biggest things you're doing while dry firing that you're you're really trying to focus on?

SPEAKER_04 29:28

Staying squared in the Tory. And also working on holdovers. Those are both the biggest two the two biggest things that I'm working on.

unknown 29:34

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 29:36

What are you using for targets out there? Neighbor's house?

SPEAKER_04 29:40

Yeah. We have these like tiny little dots. I I um stapled them onto a tree, like on trees down in the yard. Um I work on different sequences and stuff, and that's what I use.

SPEAKER_00 29:52

Matt Steiner sequences. No, I don't know this. You gotta explain this.

SPEAKER_05 29:56

Yeah, he gets some pretty crazy head games going on and matches.

SPEAKER_00 29:59

Yeah, okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 30:00

I've I mean I've shot his matches where it's like it's caught him a few times where one, two, three, three, two, one, one, two, three, two, it's caught in the one, three, two, three, one, one, three.

SPEAKER_00 30:13

Right.

SPEAKER_05 30:13

Go through like on like a force of fire and put it on a dope card and then go and run it.

unknown 30:18

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 30:19

Getting your getting your brain thinking as you're going through the stage, you're not on autopilot.

SPEAKER_00 30:24

Okay. Okay. So you have different different colored dots or something out there on different trees. So then you're you're going from tree to tree, dot to dot, you know, putting your reticle on it. Yeah. That's awesome. Okay. Okay. And then obviously the the the Mad Steiner sequencing. Yeah, his is he likes to do that with his course of fire, right? You know.

SPEAKER_05 30:45

Oh yeah, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_00 30:47

Yeah. Yep. Um so how much how much live fire practice do you get?

SPEAKER_01 30:56

Two three times a month.

SPEAKER_04 30:57

Yeah, I mean every month that'd say around 100, 200 rounds. We don't we'll go up the MKM every I mean, three or four times a month and go train and Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 31:10

Kind of kind of adopted a little system just to add to that, was uh 50 count box of ammo. Drive up the MKM, do some uh do some dry fire, work in that 50 round box and then do some dry fire at the end. And he actually shoots like he'll save his matchbook from the one day and go repeat a couple stages that he didn't do well on. Okay shoot that 50 rounds and then go back and do some dry fire and then we head home. That's kind of been the regimen that we've been doing.

SPEAKER_00 31:37

Sure. Sure. That's a couple hours of the time. And yeah. How far are you guys from MKM?

SPEAKER_05 31:42

An hour, hour and five, hour and five.

SPEAKER_00 31:45

That's perfect. That's a lot of windshield time together, too.

SPEAKER_05 31:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:48

Yeah. Yeah. Uh speaking of, I mean, like you're creating a lot of memories here, right? And and this is gonna be, you know, you know, Isaac, you'll remember this stuff later in life, but right now, like Nick, I mean, how how much how much do you are you taking it for granted? Are you taking this like, I mean, what a what an incredible experience.

SPEAKER_05 32:10

Kind of it's hard to it's hard to keep it into perspective, but I soak it all in. I pay attention to all of it. Uh my wife's been really good at taking pictures, and you know, we have we obviously have Travis following us around too, a bunch taking photos, and they're all over Facebook and Instagram and you name it. Um it's I don't know, I could not be more fortunate to be able to go through this with him, and he's taken to it like he has. It's been awesome. And uh no, just definitely don't take it for granted and don't blink because it's gonna be over before you know it.

SPEAKER_00 32:45

Right, right.

SPEAKER_05 32:46

Like yesterday we were shooting those belly mashes, and now look, it's like, what happened?

SPEAKER_00 32:54

So that's awesome. That's awesome. Just don't go getting a girlfriend or anything like that here in a couple years. Just stay committed to shooting.

SPEAKER_05 33:03

Hopefully.

SPEAKER_00 33:04

Yep. But uh see so we mentioned Gap Grind, you have that coming up this year. Um, I'm assuming you guys are shooting the Peterson match at MKM coming up in a month or so, right? Yep.

SPEAKER_05 33:16

We'll be there out on big plans for that one this year, uh, trying to make it bigger and bigger every year and more for the shooters every year. So we got some we got some good things coming for that one for sure.

SPEAKER_00 33:26

That's awesome. That's awesome. Shooting some one-day matches there too?

SPEAKER_05 33:30

Oh yeah. What do you got? How many we see four or five so far? Four or five.

unknown 33:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:35

Wow. Okay. What uh what other big matches uh outside of Peterson and Grind do you guys plan on shooting together or traveling together for?

SPEAKER_04 33:43

What do you got? Oh, our next match coming up. We're doing the sex says we're yep, Indiana. Yeah, and then what up more.

SPEAKER_01 33:53

More.

SPEAKER_00 33:54

Okay. Yeah, you guys are uh fairly centrally located there. We have five Pro Series matches within four or five hour drive, don't you? Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because it's not that Yeah, it's what, maybe three, four hours to get to get to Indiana?

SPEAKER_05 34:11

Well, I think we're from from home, from home we're about five and a half from Indiana, and I think four from Drew.

SPEAKER_00 34:17

Yeah, it's awesome.

SPEAKER_05 34:18

So yeah, it's not bad at all.

SPEAKER_00 34:20

Five a year that you can really Yeah, you can make. Okay. Isaac, what are what are some of your goals? Like going to going to Sack Sizzler. And that's a pretty straightforward range. Like you're not gonna get the you're not gonna get the Matt Steiner, you know, brain, you know, headache, whatever from from that match. You're gonna get straightforward targetry. You're gonna get some mirage. Um what what are some of your goals this year there?

SPEAKER_01 34:49

What the Sizzler?

SPEAKER_02 34:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 34:53

I mean, honestly, just try to finish well and have a good time. I mean, like top 70% of the winner, that'd be awesome to go do that and have just have a good time.

SPEAKER_05 35:04

You can say beat Alan Smith. Yeah, but yeah. You can say that is Alan shooting it? Yeah, he is. He's coming. He's gonna come. I love that. He's he's talking about shooting Peterson too.

SPEAKER_00 35:17

No joke. I I love Alan from from Sack. And he just I mean, he's started a family the last few years, so like things have been crazy, crazy for him. But um I I'm gonna look up the sizzler and see uh see who all is here. Um I'll share my screen. You guys may or may not be able to see it or whatever, but um let's take a look here. 62 spots left. This is as of uh what June 26th. Today's actually 626-26, by the way, 626-26, which is kind of interesting. Um yeah, Alan Smith signed up. Yep. There he is. Um you know what? Let's back up. I'm gonna hit view. Of course I'm not logged in. Um I wanted to see I wanted to see uh what other junior shooters are there. Uh do you know?

SPEAKER_05 36:13

I got Grace Vaughn. I think Grace is shooting. Grace, yeah. I think Gabriel may be there. I'm not positive.

SPEAKER_00 36:20

Gabriel Dallas?

SPEAKER_05 36:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:21

Um and Grace from Florida.

SPEAKER_05 36:24

Yeah, I think I think Grace is there. Um, not sure who else. I haven't really I do think Dallas. Gabriel Dallas.

SPEAKER_00 36:31

Junior shooters. AJ Landenwich, doing not, Grace Vaughn, Isaac Schneer. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. Grace Vaughn has uh earned her pro status already. She is she's solid.

SPEAKER_05 36:46

She's awesome. She's awesome to watch too. And uh her and her father are such good people. I uh talk every time we every time we see them at events, and uh yeah, I can't say enough good about her.

SPEAKER_00 36:57

That's awesome. It's awesome to see so many um, you know, uh parent-child shooting relationships doing this, which is why we're having this podcast. And I've talked with uh Richard and Gage, uh I talked with um Tyler and Chase Beckley. Um and it's just it's absolutely incredible. And I uh, you know, part of the reason why we're having all of these conversations is try to try to get more father-sons to go do this or father-daughter, you know, with with like Grace and um I'll even say like Camden Powers, that was a father-daughter as well. And then uh um, you know, uh Nick, do you see a day when maybe you're not shooting so much and you're there to to you know to to be maybe more of a coach and kind of take it in as Isaac's going through his journey?

SPEAKER_05 37:51

So we we've talked, we've had the conversation many times and uh being a part of the to bring it up again, being a part of the sack team, I kind of watched Frank Zayn do that.

SPEAKER_02 38:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 38:02

Hang his gear up and walk away from it, maybe eventually, but not yet. Just not ready to put the gun down yet. I don't think I think I I'd go crazy being a caddy.

SPEAKER_00 38:14

Yeah. I mean, it's it's kind of a different experience too, though, right? Like because you're you you know, they it's a reason. It's like living vicariously through your children or whatever, right? Like that is a common saying. Um, but there's so much reward in getting to see your son or daughter like excel at something, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 38:37

Yeah, it's it's it's awesome to watch. Uh so well more or less, I guess, what I kind of what I started and him take to it and run with it and do so well with it and continue to improve every time we go, something something improves. And then guys, like we said before, guys like Ken embracing it and offering to help. It's just uh he's 12 years old. Running, you know, we're already running two days of 12 years old. I think we got a little bit of a jump on it.

SPEAKER_00 39:09

So for sure. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I I mean by the time you're 16, which you'll have, you know, that's twice as long as your career has been in the precision rifle community, um, you you're gonna be a uh a formidable opponent, you know. Uh somebody that's gonna be tough to beat if you stick with it, right? And stay committed to it. Have you had to have you had to do any uh coaching, dad, where you know, like, hey, we committed to this, we're doing it, type of thing.

SPEAKER_05 39:39

Um not you'd be uh surprisingly, no, not really. He he kind of just runs with it on his own. There's been a few where like one day's where we get up up here in the northeast, we got up one day, it was 13 degrees out. Then we were signed up. I'm like, you want to go or not? He's like, Oh, and we drove up here and we got it, I think, stage two. He was asking me whose idea it was, but we shot the match. It was a horrible mistake. We shot the match, but no, it's outside of that, he's pretty much driving me. Okay, not the other way around.

SPEAKER_00 40:14

So I I love that. I love that. Um so um taking a look at the June results from MKM. Um, Isaac, you were 11 and Nick, you were 19th.

SPEAKER_02 40:30

Oh, yeah.

unknown 40:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:31

Is that the first time that's happened? Or has that happened a couple times already?

SPEAKER_05 40:35

That's the second time you he's beat me at a one day. That's the second. It wasn't the first time wasn't as bad. He had me by a point. This time it was bad. He had me, he had me by the I think the fourth stage, he had me covered, and there was no way I could catch him. I was no way I was gonna make up that ground by the time we got to the end.

SPEAKER_00 40:54

Right.

SPEAKER_05 40:54

Uh I haven't heard the end of it, trust me.

SPEAKER_00 40:59

Isaac, how how how much fun is that beating up on your dad?

SPEAKER_04 41:02

You couldn't imagine.

SPEAKER_00 41:06

That's good stuff. That's good stuff. I mean, Nick, I'm sure it's a little bit bittersweet, right?

SPEAKER_05 41:13

Uh I'd have it. I wouldn't have it any other way. You did it means you're doing something right. If they once they start beating you and they just run away with it, you you did something right.

SPEAKER_00 41:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 41:24

You know? Yeah. That's the end game.

SPEAKER_00 41:27

I agree. I agree. And they're putting those good young eyes to good use.

SPEAKER_05 41:31

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:33

I can't imagine what I would see if I if I could go back to having 12-year-old eyes, you know.

SPEAKER_05 41:37

Said the same thing before. Only I could have that.

SPEAKER_00 41:40

Yep. Yep. Uh how long, uh Isaac, how long before you beat your dad at a two-day match? You think it'll come this year?

SPEAKER_04 41:49

I think I beat him for the first time this year. It was the Oh, did you really? Yeah, it was either the first or second one day we did. Well, he's talking about two-day.

SPEAKER_00 41:57

Yeah, two-day though. Two-day. So you have Saxler coming up, you'll have Peterson, you'll have War. You guys will probably both be at the finale.

SPEAKER_04 42:07

Yeah. If I if I don't beat him at um the Silver, I'll beat him at the Peters uh Peterson.

SPEAKER_00 42:13

Oh is that your goal now?

SPEAKER_04 42:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 42:16

I don't feel addicted.

SPEAKER_00 42:20

We'll have to we'll have to do some sort of follow-up after the Peterson match to see you know which which which one comes out on top.

SPEAKER_05 42:27

Oh, we're the if the gloves are off, the gloves are off, we'll go. We'll put them we'll put them in a different squad.

SPEAKER_00 42:34

Have you shot in a different squad yet, Isaac? Not yet. Not yet.

SPEAKER_05 42:42

I'm gonna drop him into it and see how he does.

SPEAKER_00 42:45

Well, I mean, he's gonna be surrounded by surrounded by a lot of folks that are gonna really help, I'm sure.

SPEAKER_05 42:52

Ryan Beck. Ryan Beck's like, just put him me, I'll take him.

SPEAKER_00 42:56

Yeah, the next thing you know, he gets a podium finish.

SPEAKER_05 42:58

You know right. Yeah, so that's that's the next step is to put him put him in a different squad. He doesn't have that safety net standing behind him the whole time and see how it goes from there.

SPEAKER_00 43:09

That's a good idea. That's a good idea. Looking at the uh 2026 Peterson, uh, who's signed up for junior? Um, you got Dylan Knatt, Gabrielle Dallas, Grace is coming back, and uh John Galati. Yeah. But John Galati's a great junior shooter, you know, the shot with his dad, too.

unknown 43:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 43:32

There are a couple, they're both of them. Uh John's one of my team guys, Peterson team guys. And uh yeah, John Juniors helped him out early on last year before. Uh John helped him out a ton at the one days they drive out here for the one day matches and uh worked with him and we squatted with him. I think it was last year for the Peterson Challenge. And he walked he walked them through the whole match. I just let them go. And that helped that helped him out quite a bit. Um, yeah, those two guys have been great as well.

SPEAKER_00 44:00

Yep. Yep. Um all right, Isaac, it's summertime. What are you doing all day? Are you there helping helping Sore Brass at Peterson? You should be.

SPEAKER_04 44:12

Uh I mean I have been a little bit. I think it's this week now. But um mostly just spending time at home, either playing video games or practicing draft iron and stuff.

SPEAKER_00 44:25

Okay. Playing Call of Duty.

SPEAKER_01 44:27

Um yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:29

Yeah. Battlefield. Battlefield. Do you think there's do you think there's some hand-eye coordination that that actually like uh directly applies to hand eye with with PRS shooting?

SPEAKER_04 44:45

Um maybe maybe a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 44:47

I mean Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 44:48

I don't know. My oldest son would tell you yes, my oldest son no. In Battlefield, he's telling me they have holdovers. So you actually have to hold over.

SPEAKER_00 44:56

You gotta think, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 44:57

Yeah, he he said it would uh it would it would apply, I guess. We have to run it through the cash flow to see if it's right yet, but yeah, right.

SPEAKER_00 45:06

Yeah. I mean uh you see, you know, I and I I haven't gone way down this rabbit hole or whatever, but there's a lot of uh military folks that are doing remote uh flying of drones, you know, like they're actually stationed here somewhere in the US flying drones that are, you know, overseas and whatever. And it's I mean, it's playing a video game.

SPEAKER_02 45:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 45:28

Right? Um, I hope that someday somebody develops something that is some sort of add-on that we could use like um virtual reality or something and do, you know, like actual training at home with your PRS rifle, you know, in a virtual reality simulator. I think that would be I think that would be fun.

SPEAKER_05 45:49

You want to talk about raising the game across the board? Everyone has the ability to live fire train well, sort of live fire train, it would be incredible.

SPEAKER_00 45:59

Wouldn't it? Yeah. Yeah, I mean you have uh uh the Gran Turismo movie, right? I guess they developed a kid that came up through playing Gran Turismo on simulators and then you know they threw him in a car and uh it's directly applied. You know, if he's good in the simulator, he's good in the car. Right. You know, and the Formula One guys all have simulators of driving. I'm assuming NASCAR has simulators. These guys are probably in a driver's seat for, you know, 60 hours a week practicing, right? Yeah, that's what makes them world class.

SPEAKER_05 46:30

Yep. Now that's Andy the time behind the wheel or time on the gun.

SPEAKER_00 46:34

Yep.

SPEAKER_05 46:35

Definitely shows that if we had if we had something along those lines, yeah, I think it would be a huge benefit. Not to mention letting someone new try it before they actually jump in and do it.

SPEAKER_00 46:46

Well, yeah, I mean, not to go out way down some tangents here, but we might even have I mean, you might have people that are just simulator shooters. They don't actually don't actually go out and shoot, you know?

SPEAKER_05 46:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:58

That would be crazy.

SPEAKER_05 47:00

Yeah, that would be yeah. That'd be a whole new faction of it.

SPEAKER_00 47:04

That would be cool. That would be cool. Isaac, hopefully you realize that with the time you have at home, and you don't know how much time you have. You don't know how much time you have until you're an adult and you're like, man, what would I do if I had my summer? But man, if you can get if you can get more rifle handling practice in and dry fire practice, especially while your old man's at work, like you will beat him this year in a two-day match, you know, period. Yeah, the I think it I think that's one of the things that's been proven, you know, with a lot of the conversations we've had and recordings we've done, like it's just putting a time in. You know, the guys that have the ability to put more and more time in behind a rifle. Um, and that's you know, could be any rifle too. Like uh Joseph Sixth, um, you know, from Germany, like for him, it's tens of thousands rounds of a year on a twenty two.

unknown 47:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 47:57

You know, because that's what he has available. And it's kind of like dry fire, but you're you know, you're you're still training your eye to watch a projectile.

SPEAKER_02 48:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 48:04

Um, or if it's you know, Morgan King, we've talked with him, and he would shoot a hundred rounds on his way home from work, you know, like you know, three nights a week, which is crazy.

SPEAKER_05 48:14

That's you know turning some ammo over there, holy cow.

SPEAKER_00 48:17

Right. That's committed to it. But yep, he's world class, you know, and I think I I think even dry firing, you know, and just going through those motions, setting a bag down, getting your rifle set, making sure you're square to the target, right? Finding the target, doing those things. Like, you know, if you can spend your summer uh you know doing more of that, like I think you'll you'll love the results you get. You know? Yep, yep.

SPEAKER_05 48:45

Big long, he just he he has this uh this thing in his mind where like he sees me, and one of my weaknesses was always position building.

SPEAKER_02 48:52

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 48:53

I try to go too fast and get the gun up and get it up and going, and it took me a long time to slow down and do the position building. It was bad enough for me that he didn't develop the issue. He will he will build that position as stable as possible over trying to get it done quickly. And that's I think that's one of his big advantages. I watch him build a position that's like fluid at this point where I am now too, but man, it took me a long time to get there.

SPEAKER_00 49:19

Yeah. I think that's the right I think that's the right mentality to go into it too. Like, you know, fastest, fastest smooth and smooth as fast, you know. And um, you know, there's a there's a shooter here in Wisconsin that uh she shot a lot of MKM. Michelle Kutcher, um, her and her husband Rick shoot, and their uh their d daughter and son both shoot now. It's awesome. All four of them are out shooting a lot, but Michelle was like the perfect six out of six, you know, or you know, take six shots, make all six, you know, and and drop four because it's a ten-round stage. And that became like eight out of eight, and then all of a sudden now she's you know, she's cleaning stages. Um, I forget which match I I forget which match it was earlier this year, but she was in the top five like most of the way through day one. Like she's you know, she is really smooth and has figured this out where you can build a position quickly and take a really good shot, you know, and not and not be rushing anything. Yeah, yeah. There's no no reason to rush.

SPEAKER_05 50:23

Build her match shooting on a hit percentage. Yes, not an end result, it was just a hit percentage. But that's a I hear a lot of guys doing that, and that's what we did with him early on. Yes. Fuck, if you take five, hit five. You can't you can't miss fast enough to win. Buddy, I've tried.

SPEAKER_02 50:42

So yeah.

SPEAKER_00 50:44

Yeah. That's awesome. Isaac, do you have any do you have any advice for any other uh junior shooters out there or kids that you know might listen to this podcast going to a a match with their dad?

SPEAKER_04 50:57

Like what kind of match? Like are they just getting started?

SPEAKER_00 51:00

Yeah, just getting started. Yeah. You two years ago. Do you have any advice for for that kid sitting in the passenger seat?

SPEAKER_04 51:07

You know, I would say pretty much do how I started out. Like just start getting in like a little bit of practice every week and just keep on progressing as time goes on. And then eventually you'll start evolving into a better and better shooter as time goes on. Don't get ahead of yourself. Yeah, and just have a good time.

SPEAKER_00 51:25

Try to have fun, right?

SPEAKER_04 51:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 51:27

Try to have fun. I you know, I think you guys should uh you'll look back and say these are the good old days, you know. So try to remember that while you're in the moment.

SPEAKER_02 51:37

Always awesome.

SPEAKER_00 51:40

Man, I appreciate you guys coming on. This is fun.

SPEAKER_05 51:43

Thanks for having us. Appreciate it. Look forward to hopefully we get to see you this year at some point.

SPEAKER_00 51:49

Yeah, I guarantee you will. I hope it's before the finale. Yeah, yeah. I'll be at the grind. Yeah, yeah. I that's that's a can't miss match for me. I first went to the grind, I think in 19 or 20. Um and and and and from that moment on I'm like, yeah, this is a match I I can't not be at, right?

SPEAKER_05 52:09

Like that's it is for us, it's a stable. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 52:12

So it's been a couple years since I've shot at MKM, but for a while I was there twice a year. Yeah. You know?

SPEAKER_05 52:19

But you're gonna come back up and visit us, come up for our match.

SPEAKER_00 52:22

Uh that's that would that would be the one I would do. I appreciate it. Yeah, yeah. Right on. Thank you guys. All right.

SPEAKER_01 52:29

Thanks again. Have a good one.