PRS Match Strategy: What Top Shooters Do Differently

What does it take to win at the highest level of Precision Rifle Series competition?

In this episode, we break down the latest PRS match results, preview the upcoming World Championship, and discuss the strategies, equipment, and mindset that separate the best shooters from everyone else.

We dive into topics like suppressors vs. muzzle brakes, caliber selection, rifle setup, match strategy, stage management, and whether speed or consistency wins more matches. We also discuss the growth of international competition, what to expect at this year's World Championship, and share stories from some of the biggest events on the PRS calendar.

In this episode:
• World Championship preview
• PRS season updates and match results
• Suppressors vs. muzzle brakes
• Choosing the right caliber for competition
• Rifle setup and equipment discussion
• Match strategy and stage management
• Mental game and consistency under pressure
• The evolution of Precision Rifle competition

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Transcript

SPEAKER_04 0:00

All right, welcome to the show. Uh, special guest tonight. We got Greg Bell with us sitting behind me. Showed up. We got Bushman coming on, sitting a thousand miles away. Uh Lombardi talks about sheepdog, and we finish up with Chris Hoffer and THS.

SPEAKER_05 0:18

We'll talk worlds tonight, and um, there's no way Austin Bushman could possibly win a third one in a row.

SPEAKER_07 0:24

You'll hear us talk about the legendary man who's the only person to ever win a two-day PRS Pro match with a 22 caliber rifle. Enjoy the show.

SPEAKER_05 0:41

How's it going, Greg? Good, buddy. How are you? Sounds like you're still at work.

SPEAKER_07 0:46

Can you guys hear uh the background noise? It's a little bit of uh machine noise. Like a little bit of machine. Well I can't hear with the headset on, but I could hear it with the headset off. So that's the right flower. The money money printing machines.

SPEAKER_04 1:06

Those are probably your pacing item, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:10

What?

SPEAKER_04 1:11

That's a pacing item making barrels, isn't it? The uh cut rifling machines. Yep. Yeah. Keep those things fed. This is probably a good time to mention that CRB is the uh brand new partner of the PRS.

SPEAKER_07 1:27

Oh man. So Organe didn't take my advice.

SPEAKER_04 1:35

You want to support the show, but you don't want CRB to support the show.

SPEAKER_07 1:39

Oh no. Whatever.

SPEAKER_04 1:44

Oh, too funny. Well, thank you guys for supporting us.

SPEAKER_07 1:48

Yeah. Well, uh we've been involved for a long time, it feels like. Yeah, Ben.

SPEAKER_04 1:55

You know, uh there's a lot of companies that I would say are really intimately involved but not involved, and CRB was like the only one. You know what I mean? It was like the only company that was the biggest part of the sport, but not present with PR. Yes.

SPEAKER_07 2:12

I agree with that. I thought that before too.

SPEAKER_04 2:15

But here we are.

SPEAKER_07 2:16

Thank you. Here we are.

SPEAKER_04 2:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 2:19

Part of the headquarters right here.

SPEAKER_04 2:23

There you go. So, Mr. Greg Bell, thank you for joining us. Austin, thank you for joining us. Hopefully, our friend Jeff Geary, um, who Austin's probably texting. Hopefully that comes through and uh appreciate that. Uh Greg, what are you doing here in Studio One? We're gonna call it.

SPEAKER_05 2:42

Um, well, I uh ended up hauling a uh traction motor from a railroad yard in Memphis up to Chicago and got here this morning about 8 a.m. and decided to come visit uh my best friends Ken and Missy Wheeler since I was only two and a half hours away. And um, I'm running on zero sleep. So my between my accent and my slurred speech, it's probably gonna be that much harder to understand me. Um almost as hard as it will be to see Bushman through that camera. Why does it look like we're looking through Bushman's right eye at him?

SPEAKER_04 3:17

That's how I imagine it too. Just kind of blurry and all white balance is terrible.

SPEAKER_07 3:22

Oh, it'll be it'll be good later on whenever it fully downloads. It looks great on my screen. Where are you? Is this your uh loading room, Ken, that we're seeing in the background?

SPEAKER_04 3:32

You get kind of two sides of it now, don't you? Yeah, yeah. It's bougie. Uh it's nice. Yeah, we uh I I mean I had this for probably eight or ten years now, you know, long before owning the PRS, but then um I actually put some coat of paint on everything, did the ceiling black, put the fancy lights in and stuff, and then actually I'll I have on the ceiling here like additional lighting over the workbench. If you can see that, and then like some microphone stuff so that uh I can start doing a like reloading uh video series. So we'll start with you know how to slice brass, how to clean brass. Do the whole thing. It'll probably be wrong. Everybody's gonna probably have an opinion and say, like, you did you're that's not how I do it.

SPEAKER_07 4:24

Like every reloading video ever, it's like cleaning barrels. The cleaning barrels and the reloading process, every single person on the planet does it different, and they're all right. And it's just like, yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_04 4:39

I are you guys on any of the Facebook groups like Reloading Central or whatever they are, and you I mean, I joined them 15 years ago, you know, and you you see somebody throw a softball out there, you know, like a picture like Eric's saying with uh from a you know boar cam and like oh here we go. Like I gotta look at the comments, and yeah, I look at two or three, and I'm like immediately disappointed, and like, yeah, that's what I expected.

SPEAKER_02 5:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 5:10

Well, let's talk worlds a little bit while we're all on here. Uh, I mean Jeff's gonna be on the world team too. Um, it's been kind of fun having you around this afternoon, Greg. And I uh uh realize that you're probably on your phone nonstop regarding world championship coming up this September, right?

SPEAKER_05 5:29

Um not necessarily, uh, as I was sharing earlier. Uh I'm very grateful uh that uh man, I've got some really good people behind me, and and not really behind me, but uh really in front of me, I guess. And and um uh Ruth Susi and Kayla Doman, both members of our uh UK Rimfire team this last uh cycle in 2025. Um Ruth's one of our vice presidents for Rimfire, and Miss Kayla's just, I guess, too nice to say no, but they've been doing a lot of the work as well. And so um I'd love to pretend that all I do is um volunteer my time to help old ladies cross the street and to help top shooters uh achieve their dreams of world domination. Um, but uh I will sure give credit where credit's due this year. Um those ladies have done a lion share of the work, but we've been we've been busy.

SPEAKER_04 6:21

What um any big stuff left between here and opening ceremony? September 22nd, right? I think it's 22nd.

SPEAKER_05 6:29

Yeah, we're still trying to figure out um location. Um we and and we're trying to nail down the dates. Um, you know, we're gonna we're working on those things. Though those are just small details. Um we um worlds will be September 20, uh 23rd through the 28th in Gravestone, uh at Gravestone Precision Shooting, they're in Weatherford, Texas. Uh I said the 23rd because that's kind of the first full day, but we've actually got a half day on the 22nd where people can come in and register and check zero and um get it get acclimated to the range. Um we had a few um a few fellas uh that thought cameo was a little bit too hot in 24. I am hoping that they are prepared for maybe one or two degrees warmer um this time around. Uh we did the best we could to schedule it later in the year to where heat won't be as big of an issue, but it's it's gonna be Texas in September. Um and so um yeah, we've got some more details to get done, but um thankfully those ladies are are doing a phenomenal job, and we're having weekly meetings to uh to get all that nailed down.

SPEAKER_04 7:33

Talking to Ryan Charlton earlier this week, and we're excited to do uh to do all the broadcast uh commentary. Should be a fun time. Um we're gonna start doing uh all the uh like reconnaissance or you know, uh on all the shooters. So we have a bunch of color commentary that we can do or bring up. So don't be uh don't be bashful, Bushman, if I reach out to you and try to get dirt on all the rest of the Okies.

SPEAKER_07 8:01

Okay. Sounds great.

SPEAKER_04 8:04

Maybe you just want to contribute, you know.

SPEAKER_07 8:08

I uh I think the main thing is is that you make fun of Orgain for being on the 308 team. I think that's that's target number one.

SPEAKER_04 8:21

You think so?

SPEAKER_07 8:22

Not that there's anything wrong with being on the 308 team, Greg. Um I didn't make it. I don't you know, I don't know what to tell you. Yeah, I've managed to see you shot more 308 teams.

SPEAKER_05 8:33

I managed to see, buddy. I was thinking about this the other day. We some people, not me, um, have jokingly called our 22 France uh team and specifically the open team, minus me. I was obviously the odd man out in that. Um the dream team, you know, you had Bushman and Orgain and Clay and Tate and Morgan, um, you know, five of the best shooters in the world. And then you had me. And I was thinking about, you know, the original dream team and basketball and how I would compare. And I was thinking I would be like the Chris Mullen of the Dream Team. Um, is how that would work out if you are a basketball, old school basketball fan.

SPEAKER_04 9:15

No, Chris Chris Mullen was still pretty known about I wasn't it uh You're saying that Greg's like way less.

SPEAKER_07 9:26

That's messed up. Oh I keep I keep telling Orgain, so I I I chambered uh a couple 308 barrels for Orgain to to start shooting it a little bit. I keep telling him he's gotta be careful shooting that 308. Every the all the all the last guys that went and won the 308 World Championship were just married to it for the next couple years after that. I was like, I told him he's gonna be shooting TAC all next year in PRS. He's gonna love that 308 so much.

SPEAKER_04 9:58

You know, Chad Eckworth's been trying to win a match, a podium with a 308. And I I thought it would be easier than what he's gone through.

SPEAKER_07 10:09

Uh what did he get? I remember seeing him at KM with a very, very good score. I can't remember what he got there.

SPEAKER_03 10:20

Well, I'll share the screen here.

SPEAKER_07 10:22

If he was not podium, he was really close to it.

SPEAKER_03 10:26

I'll share the screen here and take a look at it.

SPEAKER_07 10:28

But that's where you're gonna have to do it at. You know, it's probably he's probably not gonna podium at uh you know one of the 20 mile hours.

SPEAKER_04 10:46

One of the most challenging right. One of the most challenging thing is when you have that much wind, isn't just like trying to make the best wind call and then uh judgment after that. Like you're also dealing with elevation.

SPEAKER_07 10:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 10:58

You know?

SPEAKER_07 11:00

Orgain brought his over a couple weeks ago. We were shooting it off my barricade at 400 yards. And uh it was the first time I'd shot a attack rifle, a 308 rifle that was set up for PRS. And uh it was it was pretty I'm like it his rifle was shooting very good. He was shooting uh 176 A tip, and yeah, it was not uh it was not that hard to see through the recoil. Of course, his barrel is a I he may have me cut it down. I don't know. It's shooting very good, but we had two barrels that we that we couldn't get rid of that were 33 inch, they were 33-inch 12 twist barrels, which is perfect for attack rifle. So his his uh he's shooting a 32-inch finish length 308, inch 250 straight. And uh I the thing's shooting awesome, and he's running it really slow, which is funny because it's such a long the thing, it looks so ridiculous. You should see it with a suppressor on it. I hope I hope he leaves it like that. It looks funny.

SPEAKER_05 12:12

Nice. The bullet's halfway to the target by the time it exits the muzzle.

SPEAKER_07 12:16

Yep, it comes out, it's like in the con exit gravestone. He's not gonna be able to pull his his rifle out of the port holes in the connect.

SPEAKER_04 12:26

Yeah, we've got turned sideways to get it out.

SPEAKER_07 12:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 12:28

Oh, I love that. So look, yeah, looking at KM, Chad finished seventh there.

SPEAKER_07 12:33

So yeah, I I and the year before, actually, uh he shot with a 308 the year before, last year. And I think he finished well. I know he beat me there. Of course, I had a a rough time.

SPEAKER_05 12:50

Uh uh, don't make excuses.

SPEAKER_07 12:54

I had a rough time.

SPEAKER_04 12:58

Well, let's take a look here. So Limited, this is the uh IPRF Centerfire World Championships. Uh this is on impact. So everybody's registered except for, and we're gonna roast him here. Clay Blackheader, Morgan King have not registered for this match yet.

SPEAKER_07 13:14

They think they're special, you know?

SPEAKER_04 13:16

Guys like that. Always wait till the last minute.

SPEAKER_07 13:18

Yeah, they just they probably expected somebody else to register them. You know.

SPEAKER_04 13:26

Look at this, L. Orgain, Heckler, and Joe Thielen.

SPEAKER_07 13:29

Where's where's McCormick?

SPEAKER_04 13:32

We found a third. We're we're yet, Kyle. Oh my goodness. Kyle McCormick's supposed to shoot open too, or uh limited too, huh?

SPEAKER_07 13:40

Yeah, I think he he said he was gonna wait to sign up until the day of, and then he could pick which squad and where. Anyways. Anyways.

SPEAKER_04 14:05

Wiggins, both of them believe us. Who else had it? I got Australia? I got four limited.

SPEAKER_07 14:14

How many teams are on that dropdown? A lot. A lot of teams. You get you know, Greg, who's who of course you gotta pick you gotta pick a team in the USA for number one, you're from America. But if you had to pick a number two country for well, you could pick multiple categories. I don't know how I don't I haven't looked at how some of the other countries, some of the top countries sometimes mix some of their better shooters into other categories besides open. But if let's say if you had to pick a second place country in open, last time it was Namibia. Uh and I can't remember who got third. I should know that. Who got you remember, Greg?

SPEAKER_05 15:07

I do not. Um no, I do not. Namibia.

SPEAKER_07 15:11

Namibia, Namibia was very was actually not far behind the United States uh team scores.

SPEAKER_03 15:19

Let's uh so if you go to the USPRA, and I bet Greg is probably halfway there right now. Oh no, it's not gonna be there if you're talking about 24.

SPEAKER_05 15:30

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 15:31

Joseph Sixth was telling me about shooting with a bunch of the Namibia Namibia guys and how good they are. Um He was telling me some interesting stuff about their matches that they put on our while he was just telling me how difficult the matches are that they put on for themselves.

SPEAKER_04 15:50

Yeah. So I've I've heard saying that they've really put emotions and feelings behind and just say we're gonna shoot tough matches. I don't know, Sweden's gonna have a pretty solid team too.

SPEAKER_07 16:03

So the countries I know that have the the best overall teams, like solid teams are Norway, Sweden, Great Britain. Great Britain's got a great team. Um South Africa, Namibia, Australia. Although did us did Australia not have a team in the last one, Greg. There was there was something about Australia.

SPEAKER_05 16:28

I think that they didn't bring uh No, they they had they had a factory team and an open team. They had they had uh they had probably a full team except for maybe ladies and junior.

SPEAKER_07 16:40

I I feel like for some reason I thought Australia didn't field uh maybe no. No, I remember no, I remember riding in the buggy with Australia's teams now. Australia's very good. There's a the unfortunate thing is you can have three top quality shooters, but but you gotta have four in order to get up there and get into podium in the team category. You gotta have four that all have a great match, too. Yeah. Whereas the US can easily field six and two and two of them, you know, can shoot like Catalik and Blackhead and Orgain or Orgain and uh where's Beamer when I need him.

SPEAKER_05 17:34

I know Beamer's got all this stuff off the top of his head.

SPEAKER_02 17:37

Oh, all right.

SPEAKER_04 17:38

Well, just go to practice score. But it doesn't show this is just gonna be team or individual standings. Here uh scores.

SPEAKER_03 17:48

Uh would it be IPRF? Yeah, 2024, presented by Masterpiece Arms.

SPEAKER_04 17:55

Security verification. This is what keeps sites like the PRS from scraping.

SPEAKER_05 18:00

Oh, yeah. Open. All right. So I found it. I've got it in Google Drive. Open uh USA, um, then Namibia, then Australia, then Norway, and then New Zealand. And that was 24. Um, New Zealand was fifth in 24, yes.

SPEAKER_07 18:20

In open division. I bet Sweden was right there behind them. And Great Britain, too, I bet.

SPEAKER_05 18:28

Let's see. Let's go back. UK was in sixth, uh, Sweden was in seventh, South Africa was eighth.

SPEAKER_04 18:34

Is this picture on practice score kind of like Morgan King holding a pistol?

SPEAKER_07 18:39

I'm gonna guess that that's it's not say Jerry Mitchell it, but yeah, way too young.

SPEAKER_04 18:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 18:54

Uh overall team results. Uh okay, so the so the overall team, uh, USA was first, uh, Sweden was second for overall team. Um, and I didn't realize this. There was only about a point and a half that separated Sweden and South Africa for overall. Uh so USA was first, Sweden was second, South Africa was third, Australia was fourth. Only a point separated South Africa and Australia.

SPEAKER_07 19:17

This is in 22? 24. 24.

SPEAKER_04 19:23

So I'll state that's one of the things that we were talking with impact scoring earlier today was somehow having a leaderboard that shows like team scores, you know, taking the top uh three from each of the other divisions, top four from open, and like, you know, showing where the teams are stacking up. Uh so people don't have to do the math. But we'll see. I'm sure it'll get done in time. Um, but that'll be fun to watch from home. And uh, for everybody that's at home, I'll be I'll be there with a headset on next to Ryan Charlton. We'll be we'll be having a great time, I'm pretty sure. Um Nathan Tungate's gonna join us here in a few minutes. Um we'll talk about uh why don't we talk about Apex in the meantime? So last weekend was the Apex Rocky Mountain Challenge. Um Chase Beckley, who won this two years ago, this match, uh, tied with Dale Rhodes for the for the win. Dale got him on the uh tiebreaker.

SPEAKER_07 20:19

We should take a look at uh they had it looks like they had a combined tiebreaker, either that or they were timing that register stage for a stage prize or something, maybe.

SPEAKER_03 20:31

So eight and thirteen.

SPEAKER_07 20:35

I think Dale had dropped five combined on the two time stages, and uh I think Chase had dropped six. And I was following along as they were ending the match on Sunday, and they I don't know what the conditions were, but there was nobody cleaning stages, and there was a lot of two shots dropped, three shots dropped, four shots dropped. So I'm gonna guess it was difficult and bad conditions because all those guys uh were trying to finish the match off, and there were several of them in there trying to get a win, and and it did not look like it was easy.

SPEAKER_04 21:14

Man, yeah, they're up 32, both Dale and Chase.

SPEAKER_07 21:18

Uh Dale dropped five on his last stage. He had a good lead, but and he shot before Chase and Corson. Corson actually had the lead by one shot, uh I think one or two shots over Dale with one or two stages left. So because Dale shot so much before Chase and Corson, it made it more interesting. And then uh Corson shot before Chase. I don't I don't think they were squ any of them were squatted together. That's just how I was watching the scores update. And Corson, like everybody else that I was watching, everybody was dropping three or four or five. So I it must have been chaotic conditions. And then Corson dropped, I think, three shots to drop one behind Dale, and Chase dropped one maybe on his last stage or or cleaned it. But the tie goes to Dale, and Dale brings the trophy back to Oklahoma where it should be.

SPEAKER_04 22:20

Well, Dale unfortunately couldn't be on the show because he's uh hiking around camp. I talked with him on Sunday evening or Monday evening or whatever, and he's like, Yeah, I'd love to, but I'm gonna be I'm gonna spend some time in the Canadian Rockies. So anyways, good for Dale. Let's see what let's look at Dale's profile and what he's had for finishes. Uh we can view all proceed open here. So Apex, 100 points. You got 99.61 finishing second at Punisher. Who won Punisher? I it doesn't matter. Uh Parma.

SPEAKER_07 23:03

Parma. Parma was a while ago. It wasn't that long ago. May 16th. Right. I forgot that Dale won up and got third. So recently, Dale has been shooting great. Yeah, that's all of his recent words. Second first.

SPEAKER_04 23:21

Yeah. Yeah, there you go. So where does this put him? Uh standings. Let's take a look.

SPEAKER_07 23:30

I should put him in the top ten at least. Looking at those numbers.

SPEAKER_04 23:39

You can hear the spindles turning on in the background there. Oh, it's not a spindle. You could yeah, you can actually hear it like winding up, slowing down.

SPEAKER_07 23:49

Yeah, it's the servo motors.

SPEAKER_04 23:51

Yeah. So put some 1597 with qualifier. Perfect. How many more, Bushman and Greg, how many more 300s are we gonna have before the finale?

SPEAKER_07 24:04

I predicted four early in the season. I'm sticking with that. That was back when I didn't think I was gonna be one of them. So five. No, I think there's gonna be so let's let's let's talk about who's got two wins. The easiest way for this to happen. I know Organe has two wins. Now Grizzly has two wins. Uh Dale has one, Jeff has one. As we go down, just keep scrolling down. Uh Tongue. I'm not sure. Does Tungate have two or one now?

SPEAKER_04 24:39

Oh let's take a look.

SPEAKER_07 24:40

Oh, there and here we are.

SPEAKER_04 24:42

And here we are.

SPEAKER_07 24:44

You have two wins or one win, mate. Oh.

SPEAKER_04 24:50

Very perfect, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 24:52

Uh technically. We were just going through the uh current top ten. Welcome. Welcome to the top ten.

SPEAKER_04 25:01

Congrats on the win, Nathan. Let's take a look at Twisted Barrel. Let's take a good look at this match here. There you are with the win. Drop seven.

SPEAKER_07 25:15

Pretty much led it wire to wire.

SPEAKER_04 25:17

You did. Yeah, you were you had a pretty good lap or a pretty good lead on Saturday evening, didn't you? Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_06 25:30

Yeah, I think closing out day one. I think I was leading five.

SPEAKER_04 25:34

Derek Warren, the mighty meat truck. You guys see that? I did get some backstory on that from Jeff Geary today. I was hoping that he was going to be on here. He could explain that.

SPEAKER_07 25:43

Did you I thought I'd provide backstory as well. Did you want to talk about that? Oh. So Derek Warren, Josh Edget, Cale Harmon, Jerry's Ward. Jerry's Ward. And then and then you you got some stragglers in there like Morgan King.

SPEAKER_04 26:13

KDS is unwashed.

SPEAKER_07 26:17

I wish Jeff was on here right now. Oh that's disappointing.

SPEAKER_04 26:27

All right. Nathan's here though. Hey, let's talk about this. You feel uh getting a regular season win there is gonna give you some momentum going towards the finale. That's also there. Especially gap in the field. And it we're we're talking some pretty solid shooters over there. Do you feel like this is like the best momentum you could ask for?

SPEAKER_06 26:55

I think it's always better to get the momentum at the end of the year for sure. So, you know, trailing the end of the year, tie for first at Punisher, get a win here at Scorcher. I'm only shooting one more match this year, which is Impact. Um and then finale. So, you know, hopefully it stays a nice uh qualifier as uh it was a three-way tie, right, at Punisher, Bushman, and uh who was second?

SPEAKER_04 27:21

I just it just dropped my mind. Dale, yeah and and Nathan, yeah. So you'll be 299, Dale, you know, if if you win impact, right?

SPEAKER_07 27:35

Um some would say that that's enough. In fact, uh let's hope so. Where are you at right now? 297, 296? Some would. That could be enough.

SPEAKER_04 27:45

Yeah, 296, 79.

SPEAKER_07 27:47

So if you won by the same margin at the finale, it would be very close. It would depend on who was in second and third. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 27:57

What was I like there this weekend? Yeah. Talk to us about the match. Hot.

SPEAKER_06 28:04

Hot. Freaking hot. Yeah, you know, check in on Friday and it's 90-something degrees by noon, it feels like. And Saturday was very little cloud cover, 9596, and uh got a little reprieve on Sunday. I think we were started out in the 80s and stayed there until the match was done. Uh a little bit of cloud cover on Sunday, which was really nice, very enjoyable. But man, very, very hot. Uh, a lot of mirage. You know, I don't think that range would be possible without all the work they put in putting those uh elevated positions up. It just I don't think it'd work. Too darn hot, too much mirage down there.

SPEAKER_04 28:45

You're from Texas, and this is you're still saying it's hotter.

SPEAKER_06 28:48

It's good. It's just all of the south. Yeah, come up to Wisconsin. It was a good thing. If I could not live in the South and it's all road, absolutely too. I mean, it's gorgeous. Uh it's just all hot.

SPEAKER_05 29:02

Yeah, it's 97, actually. It's what it is. Sounds great.

SPEAKER_04 29:06

Yeah, it was 90 something with high humidity. Like it's not comfortable up here either.

SPEAKER_06 29:15

Yeah. I'll tell you, I contemplated not going to the match for sure. I uh had taken a week off of work the week before, was up in Montana with my wife's family, uh, 50 degrees in the morning, 70 in the day, and was like, I might want to want to go back to Austin and then go drive to Arkansas to then sweat my butt off for a weekend. That sounds terrible. So you know. You know, 100 points is is is 100 points. Yep. You know, gotta get some points where I uh where I can. The first half this year, I uh I think I was I don't know if I was telling you, Austin, or somebody at the uh awards at Punisher, but um and the only match because I used apparently two different impact accounts, one for running my matches and one for apparently shooting matches. My Magnolia performance is not on there, and I think I got maybe like 10th or 11th or something. And um I had run the first five matches of the year with a different barrel, barrel length, caliber, and suppressor combination. The first five matches of the year were five separate setups. I felt like I was pulling a Jeff Gary, you know? Exactly. And uh it was not having a lot of success and said, you know what? I'm I'm going right back to what I did last year. Well, and what is the exact same thing? What's the exact same?

SPEAKER_04 30:45

What's your setup?

SPEAKER_06 30:46

I've kept it the exact same, which is where I'm gonna be the rest of the year. I went back to a muzzle break. And, you know, I tried to get the suppressor as hard as I could to work. I kept running into different issues, and I said, you know what? I'm I I think if the PRS went entirely to suppressors, 100% and love it would would would do it, no, no uh questions. I think that you're giving up a little bit when you're competing with a muzzle break against a suppressor. And I I mean could go through the list, but numerous things that I just could not uh shake off with a suppressor that were just instantly gone with a muzzle break.

SPEAKER_04 31:28

If you think about how far we've come in the last couple of years with doing that the last two minutes. Yeah, the suppressor technology. I I I honestly think in a couple years this is gonna be it's gonna be a mute point, pun intended, right? What uh Bushman break or suppressor?

SPEAKER_07 31:47

For well, I mean right now I'm shooting suppressor and I'm loving it. Uh won the last two matches with a suppressor and got second in the one before that with a suppressor. I mean I would just love for this the whole sport to be suppressed. I think it would be good for the sport. I think we you know, just for spectators, the muzzle blasts going off, it would be better for that. Just there's just a lot of things it would be better for. Uh I do agree that you probably give it up a little bit when you shoot suppressed. I think that you have I I don't think the recoil is quite as good, but it's getting really, really close with some of the uh muzzle devices you put on a suppressor. Some of the brakes that you attach to the suppressor are very good. Um and and I think that so some of the things that nobody talks about, I think you have a higher tendency to uh experience flyers from your gun while shooting suppressed. While shooting suppressed, I think there's a bigger chance that you're gonna get a flyer. I just think that there's and I think that that's hard to eliminate completely, but you can get through two-day match without it happening. Like it, you're just your likelihood of it happening is probably a little higher, I think.

SPEAKER_05 33:07

And we talking about first round flyers or random floor?

SPEAKER_07 33:11

No, just a just a random flyer somewhere in there. Okay. I think that the occurrence of you, you know, moving positions, raising your muzzle up in the air or something like that. You got carbon floating around in there. There's just more things that can go on that could cause a flyer. And that's kind of crummy, but you can I'm I I mean, I've had a lot of success uh with a silencer coat, STM, and a recoil X. The recoil is amazing, and the can has it's a 30-caliber can with a big bore. I think that that lowers your chances of having uh some shenanigans go on with carbon in the muzzle or in the in the suppressor and bullets impacting it. You know, I think there's some things you can do to make it better, but I think you you you still are giving up a little bit to shoot suppressed.

SPEAKER_05 34:01

Well, one factor, you know, that you're not really talking about uh Austin, and I I hate to call you out on this. I really hate to do this. Um, is you know, if you if you're shooting a 6'5 PRC though at a match and um, you know, you run a six millimeter break on it. Um you know um you know that can cause some flyers, I've heard. Yes.

SPEAKER_07 34:23

Um I don't you know or bullets can you speak to that? Completely come apart. Yeah. He's he's making a joke about my night force ELR team. And we were shooting six five PRCs with ace muzzle brakes on them, and uh we had we started having I had them skimmed back, boy. We were we we uh were having some issues with one of our guns, and it turns out we had a six millimeter uh muzzle brake on the six five PRC that we shot the match with. Oh we we who put that muzzle brake on? Hey, there was a lot of rounds. So a lot of those bullets were making it through there just fine.

SPEAKER_05 35:03

You and that little froggy in your pocket put it on there.

SPEAKER_04 35:09

All right, Tonga. What uh what did you shoot this last weekend in in Arkansas? Yeah, let's go through it.

SPEAKER_06 35:20

Uh like rifle setup or break, yeah. Sure. Um was shooting a uh 28-inch uh 6BRA with a I've gone through a few breaks recently in experimenting. This one was a Area 419. I think this is a sidewinder, I think that's what it's called. I didn't buy it. I was giving it as an experiment and and it shot really well. Uh I felt like it beat me up just a little less than some of the other brakes out there. Um, you know, I got other brakes to try. Just had uh 22. If you not shot an ace break, yeah, so I'm gonna give that a little little whirl. If you not shot an ace break. Um yeah, right, exactly.

SPEAKER_07 35:59

That's the ace max that he held up.

SPEAKER_06 36:02

Nope, never shot an ace break.

SPEAKER_07 36:03

That's the ace max, yeah. Let me look, let me look closer. Hold on, hold that back up.

SPEAKER_06 36:07

Is that what that is? Right now?

SPEAKER_07 36:08

Let me make sure I get this right. No, that's the original ace. There you go. I'm sorry. That's the original ace break. That's uh that's one of my favorites ever.

SPEAKER_06 36:21

I haven't arrived yet. Maybe uh nudge co-worker soon. Yeah, there you go. It's won a lot of matches. Uh burger 105s. Yeah, burger 105s. Yeah, I mean BRA, Lapua Brass. Um, and I uh I have I've enjoyed the BRA uh quite a bit. I when I was shooting suppressed, I was shooting actually the same setup. I was shooting an STM with the uh recoil X in the short configuration. It was great. You know, I love the uh the the combination of that. Gun's very accurate with it. Uh main issue I had, Austin, curious your thoughts, but I was getting Mirage where, you know, like I took it to KN this year, and I would send a target and at K and then this year, we had very little wind. I mean, very little wind to the point where I mean the Mirage just wouldn't even blow off your your bore line. And so I'd make a shot, you know, maybe seventh or eight shot into the string, and I'd be looking down the scope, and all I see is whoops.

SPEAKER_07 37:25

I've had that, you know, I've had that target in real blurry I can't see that suppressor on there. Um shooting a small cartridge like a BRA helps a lot because your barrel's not anywhere near as hot. You shoot a 6-5 Creedmoor or a 6 Creedmore under those same conditions for 10 or 12 rounds, and it gets really bad even without a suppressor. Uh I had I didn't I have not had that happen at the matches I've gone to with it, you know, were so windy that it it yeah.

SPEAKER_06 38:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 38:01

We had enough wind at Punisher, I think it was probably just definitely a correlation between how much powder you're burning and how much mirage you might have, right? So if there's no no wind whatsoever.

SPEAKER_07 38:10

When I shot uh six Creedmore compared to a six-dasher for you know shooting your 10-round string on on a stage, the the amount of heat in the barrel when you're done with the 10 rounds on a six Creedmore is so much more than a six-dasher, it's crazy. Yep.

SPEAKER_04 38:27

See, so uh Hornady you shot the six feet at the 120. How many grams of powder in there? That was 39. 39. And Nathan, how many grams of powder do you have in your BRA? Yeah. I mean that's 25% less. 31.

SPEAKER_07 38:50

What action and chassis and scope are you using?

SPEAKER_06 39:00

Um actions uh impact 737, right-handed, the for the proper way to use one. And then um a uh an MPA Matrix Pro, and then a uh Vortex Gen 3. I'd shot Night Force for forever and then ended up shooting.

SPEAKER_07 39:18

When you said that you put it all back to the way it was, you're like, yeah, but I had a different muzzle break and a different scope.

SPEAKER_01 39:32

So you switched you switched one thing back to the case.

SPEAKER_06 39:37

Last year it was Yeah, there you go. That's exactly what I did. Um yeah, still kept the kept the Razor, didn't go back to the Night Force, uh swapped to a completely different muzzle break, you know, just a couple changes. Um I left the trigger the same, though, but you said you get there.

SPEAKER_04 39:58

Uh upcoming matches, you're going to the Impact Foundation. You've shot that in the past. He's won it. He's won it before. That'll be the last one.

SPEAKER_06 40:09

I was there. I have. I have. I did. Yeah, uh two years ago I won it. Last year I made one mistake on one stage that cost me the ability to win the match. Do tell. And that was unfortunate. So I'm not gonna make that same mistake this gear. That's the uh the man. Last year, I think I was on sixth or seventh stage of day one, and I was clean. And I went to the tire stage, and I think I ended up dropping four. I missed two shots due to wobble on the tires, and I timed out on two shots. And I think I got the great idea to do what all the Oklahoma guys do and put a bag in a bipod on tires. And I was like, oh, brilliant. Like everyone from Oklahoma does this, and I'm in Oklahoma, so let's go ahead and try it out. And so I backed the bipodes. It was a terrible disaster, and I dropped four shots on that one stage.

SPEAKER_07 41:11

And uh, shot off the top of the conics, and then the tires were right beside it to the right.

SPEAKER_06 41:16

Yes. Yep, yeah. And I it cleaned the cleaned the the the connects stage, which was amazing. Uh that was a hard stage. The tires were and then go to the tires. The tires were the hardest stage in the matchup.

SPEAKER_07 41:36

Uh, which is last year. The tire's surprising is that so it was a near far and they were not small. The targets weren't small, but the tires were so hard to shoot off of that it was uh most people were getting like six shots off out of ten.

SPEAKER_06 41:52

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 41:55

Yeah, tires.

SPEAKER_06 41:56

I think it might have been like stage two. But it says the guy who cleaned it in that match. Yeah, Vortex Tosses.

SPEAKER_07 42:02

With a bipod in a bag, by the way.

SPEAKER_06 42:05

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Yeah. If you pull up my results from that match, Ken, you'll see it's like great, and then tanked that stage. Um yeah. Drop four there, and there was the next stage, the stage after I dropped two, and I can tell you exactly what I'll do differently this year. Uh so man. I think I started if you scroll down, I probably started on clean.

SPEAKER_04 42:41

Clean four.

SPEAKER_06 42:42

So we started on fourteen and then cleaned as I made the corner, drop four. And I was like, great, okay, well, that sucks. So let's get it together, right? Clean the next stage, go to the rocks, and there's one rock on that, and I don't know if you know this, Bushman, or you probably do if I'm giving away secrets here, but it's a low right position on that stage where if you don't elevate yourself, you're getting some mirage from a little bit of train about halfway, and it pulls your bullet down. And so you'll end up just a way that the target comes with the mirage. So unless you account for that name high, you're gonna miss the target low. And you could just see the target's like peppered the bottom half and like nothing on the top. And you know, I'm just cruising through the stage and get to that position and just don't think about it. Don't remember it. Lots of stuff like that. I was like, that's really different. A lot of stuff like that happens at the impact foundation range.

SPEAKER_07 43:36

I'm gonna show you perfect. And then there'll be a target, there'll be a target that you can range it and it is exactly correct in the matchbook. And the and the whole bottom third of the target is shot up and no impacts on the top. And you're like, what? And then you're so you ignore it because your elevation's been on the whole match, and then you miss low, and you're like, I I've had that happen there. It's it's very fresh. Frustrating, but yeah, it's exactly what Nate's talking about. Is some weird lighting effect usually does it.

SPEAKER_06 44:11

Yeah. And then stage nine, the night for skill stage. I don't know why every time I keep I don't know if I was shooting with Keith in that match, but I feel like every time I shoot with Keith, like the dude gets revved up and amped up. Yeah, dude. He's like, you know, that engine just gets going at like a stage or two before the skill stage, and it's just full blast ready to let the clutch drop uh when he goes over to the skill stage, and you know, I don't know, some of that octane poured into my fuel tank, and I was like, I'm gonna go for it. We drop a shot with the 51 seconds, and I'm like, yeah, like great, you know, like cool. Like, I'm not even 20 seconds close, like whatever. Um, so third third thing I won't do this year at that match, will not go for it. I I haven't gone for it at a skill stage in in since that match, actually. Holy cow. The last time I went to it and he got it in 30 seconds. Yeah, there you go. Uh-huh. I'm I think that's what he did at uh at the Scorcher match this weekend, too. You can pull up his skill stage from Scorcher. I'm pretty sure he's shot it about that fast.

SPEAKER_07 45:20

I don't know. We need to get Caruso on here, and uh I don't think he's shooting as speedily as he once was.

SPEAKER_04 45:30

Thank you.

SPEAKER_07 45:31

Read my mind.

SPEAKER_06 45:32

14, I think, by the way, Ken. We finished. Wow. So we finished. Yeah, 36. There you go. That tank was rent. So so Keith's notch, so day one, we finish on that stage, right? And I hadn't looked at scores all day. And I'm like, all right, it's probably prudent for me. You know, Austin, we talked about that at the at the end of Punisher. It's like, it's probably prudent for me to just, you know, I'm shooting well, I know that, but it's probably prudent just to look at the scores and see like, is there anybody close? Do I need to throttle it up or what where am I at? And I pull up the scores, and I think I'm four or five points away from the nearest person. I'm like, okay, I'm going about as slow as I can go, getting all 10 hits here. Um not to mention all the while key saying right next to me, just the engine's revving hot, ready to roll. Um, and so that dude goes up there and I think he ND'd five times and hit the plate all five times. You know, it's just shoot one, hit it, and boom. I mean, close the boat, boom, close the boat, boom. I'm just like, dude, I don't know how he goes that fast, but he just freaking flies. Um, so that was what we ended on day one. And that's probably the best time to end on it. It's always entertaining to watch you shoot a skill stage where you've got an agreement for it.

SPEAKER_07 46:44

I've never gotten to watch Keith actually shoot the skill stage. He always shoots it so fast. I've shot I've watched Ben a squatter with Ben a lot of times whenever he shoots it. I imagine it looks something like that, but uh man, Keith has been uh so Keith's been shooting longer than I have, and longer than most people have in the PRS, and he's having his best year this year, which is cool to see.

SPEAKER_04 47:09

Look at the top tip for sure. Best year. I'm gone. I'm gonna seventh. Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_07 47:15

He was like fourth a few weeks ago before uh you know a couple of other guys jumped up there.

SPEAKER_05 47:20

He's crushing it this year. It's a little known fact. Uh Keith was Keith was around back when they still had the. He was having a hell of a year. Um it was the PRA. Yeah, anyway, that but that joke bombed. Keith's old. Hi, Keith. He was the first guy shooting 25, too.

SPEAKER_06 47:40

Yeah. Uh now I'll. Yeah, he's he shoots fast. I I will say, Ken, I'm gonna petition. Uh, we started. I don't disagree. I think we should have two skill stages per match. Um that's my petition. I think evenly spaced out, you know, you're gonna have some people that have that that just the draw shoots both in one day, but as even as you can to have to have a little bit of dispar, you know, to to remove the disparity between uh making that such an important stage with with vastly different conditions. Punisher, that was that way. Austin and I talked about it. It's like I shot at day one, and my gosh, it was it was a hard stage, day one. And then we're Bushman and I are talking about it, he's like, Yeah, I got to shoot at day two, where I saw you missed a shot. That's the other advantage. I I looked at it.

SPEAKER_07 48:36

Everybody in like the top seven besides me had already shot it. So when I come up to it, I you know could obviously look at see, okay, did anybody shoot this fast that I might tie with? And uh when I looked at all of the scores, I only had to shoot it a clean in less than like 73 seconds, and I would beat anybody that I could possibly tie with, which I think it's an advantage just to know that.

SPEAKER_04 49:03

Yeah, it for sure it was uh it was Kale last year at the grind that we're talking about hybrid scoring, and he brought to my attention then like you realize how much weight the skill stage now has because every position is losing points.

SPEAKER_06 49:23

Indeed, it is.

SPEAKER_04 49:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 49:26

There's been uh several matches I've already been to though that that do two timed stages. You know, there's a there's a lot of match directors who have already adapted to that.

SPEAKER_06 49:33

Can you do it? I thought I thought there was some limitation that you weren't able to do that.

SPEAKER_04 49:39

Well, the Apex match was looking at, I got so many tabs open now. Uh just a few.

SPEAKER_07 49:46

They've done it at Punisher almost every year. I don't know if you remember, Nate, but they had at uh Punisher like three last three years, I think they had two combined stages. If Beamer was on here, he would remember.

SPEAKER_06 49:58

This was the first year I'd actually been to Punisher. Never been there before.

SPEAKER_07 50:01

Oh, so Ben Gossett. Ben Gossett, uh, the year he came, he's only been to the Punisher one time. He came and won it. We I tied with him, but he beat me by a lot. But he uh he lost the combined tiebreaker times to oh, I'm trying to think, Texas shooter. Anyways, he lost it by 0.01 seconds. Combined combined on two stages, yeah. For a night for seven to thirty-five.

SPEAKER_04 50:31

Oh one second. Oh four bed. Yeah, four bed.

SPEAKER_07 50:41

That that's okay. He's won a lot of those, though. He's more defense, I think. I bet he's won more than two. I think he's gonna those scopes.

SPEAKER_06 50:47

Yeah. I think he's picked up just a couple of them. I think him and Keith would give each other a run for each other's money. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 50:54

He's making more off night force than I am, is what we're saying. That's true.

SPEAKER_06 50:58

Caruso uh Caruso used to shoot fast. So, Caruso, if you listen to this, I'm only slightly insulting you. Um, I was trying to so I was trying to rev up Caruso at the match. So last stage of the day, right? I shoot last on it, and so I'm just like, I know what I'm doing, which is is about as slow as I can go. And Caruso, we're revving him up, and then there starts getting a pot going. We're like, all right, Caruso, like who's gonna throw in some cash if you if you beat Keith? Like, if you can beat Keith, all right, we'll throw a hundred bucks, and it goes to 200, and it goes to 300. We're like, come on, Caruso, like you gotta go for this. Um, and he gets up there and starts slinging it. Uh, he dropped two, by the way. I'll save you this one before you so he is flying, I mean flying through, and he's on track to beat uh Keith, no doubt. And I think the last he didn't whiff the last two shots, but I think it was the small in the last two positions. Um but he, I mean, yeah, 38-6. He was he was faster than Keith uh at that pace, and then dropped when he dropped the first one, he dramatically slowed down, and then he dropped the second one, and obviously he was just all disposed. But yeah, he he would have beat him.

SPEAKER_07 52:19

So hey, while we're still talking about Keith Rudisil, here's an interesting tidbit. I think he is the only PRS competitor to have ever won a pro match with a 22 caliber rifle. He won't tell he won the 2022 Oakie summer showdown with a 22 GT or a 22 by 47 or a 22 Creamore, one of those. One of those cartridges.

SPEAKER_05 52:49

That's gonna be hard to prove because I remember Greg Holloway was experimenting with a 22 back around the same time that a lot of guys were, and he won Alabama that year. But now I absolutely cannot swear what caliber he was running.

SPEAKER_07 53:03

Like I said, as far as I know, because we yeah, back when King start, so it was back whenever Hornby came out with 90 grain A-tips and burger came out with 85 uh grain hybrids that people were like, oh, these bullets are gonna make 22 caliber. And and it was right after everybody had switched to six BRs and six dashers. So so people were already like, man, if going down one size and caliber was good, then maybe going down another size is even better. So all these all these great bullets came out, and a bunch of people were trying it. And so we were kind of, you know, pro shooters are kind of like keeping their eyes out. Oh, who's is this gonna work? Is this gonna be the latest and greatest thing? So do I need to buy one and try it? And uh for the most part, we didn't see a lot of success with 22 caliber stuff in the pro series, but I do remember when Keith won that with the 22 caliber, that was impressive.

SPEAKER_06 54:00

I think short of Mike Burtis, Keith has single-handedly reloaded the most calibers I've of any person in fields. Like, and I'm and I'm you know, exclude the exclude some of the other gunsmiths out there, but like non-gunsmith, I'll I'll caveat that way. Like, that guy has experimented with so many calibers. Like, I think he's got reloading data on most every available caliber that you could possibly CRS.

SPEAKER_07 54:27

If you got if anybody listening ever gets a chance to go out to eat dinner between match days with with Keith Rudisale, listen to his stories, he is a wealth of knowledge in PRS and just cartridges in general, like Tungate's talking about. And uh I what I will say though is all of those cartridges that he's loaded, all of the ammo he's ever loaded was above max load, I'm sure. You know what I'm talking about. If you hear he's like, I'm shooting my 25 by 47. Most people are like, I'm shooting my 25 by 47 at 2750. And you talk to Keith and he's like, I'm at twenty nine, I'm at twenty-nine thirty, and you're like what?

SPEAKER_05 55:14

Keith hates prowler pockets. Yeah, firing cans.

SPEAKER_06 55:18

He doesn't believe in they're not they're not reusable in Keith's eyes, actually. Firing pins and triggers, wearable component. Brad.

SPEAKER_04 55:28

Uh that's funny. But Nathan, I appreciate you guys coming on. This is cool. Uh I'll actually see you at Impact Foundation. We'll probably bring some podcast equipment stuff down there and do some conversations and stuff. Um I guess you got anything else that you want to talk about before we uh talk about this next week's match? Anything I want to talk about? Yeah. Four is yours here right now.

SPEAKER_06 55:54

Man, I'm I'm I'm good, I think. I mean, yeah, you know, match match went well. I think my summary of it was start to finish. It was kind of cool to, you know, first stage of the match. I think everyone was dropping a shot. I cleaned it. Next stage of the match, he was either clean or a drop shot for most people. I, you know, cleaned it. And I think I didn't drop a shot. We started on five. I didn't drop a shot until I think well, you got it up. Uh 10. And I shot the wrong target. So that was cool. Did you hit it? Um I didn't actually. I sailed it uh underneath it. So I there was three, there was a uh rooftop where you had to shoot a car left to right, move to the other side of the rooftop, car right to or no, car left to right again, moved back on the rooftop, and then car left to right again. And the second car, when I look through the scope, I'm like, ah, target one, easy, target two, easy, target three, oh, that's significantly larger than the others. Okay, whatever. Boom. Oh, yeah, that's the third car's target. Got it. It was just the way it was, it was directly like above the other. Um, so if you follow the T-post, they were damn near in line. And the target was so beat up, you know, because I guess everyone was hitting it, it blended in perfectly with like the rusty, you know, car behind it. So didn't even see it. Um and I sent the shot, and as soon as I sent the shot, I was like, huh, that's the wrong target. Like the bullet, like the trace crossed the middle of the target. So clearly that's the wrong target. And then I like move around a little bit and like, uh, yep, definitely not the right target. So that was the first shot, and then stage 11. The next stage was a 10-shot, five position, two pot, two shots per position. On you had a few props to choose from. You had like two or three tank traps, you had a spool, uh, three different logs. So, you know, pick five props and shoot two shots at this mover. I think it was um maybe a 500 500 yard mover. And I probably should have planned my timing a little bit better because when I started set the gun down and just to my natural cadence, I'm sitting there like it was like every time I set the gun down, got on the scope, it goes behind the wood.

unknown 58:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 58:27

And I'm like, cool, okay. Waiting, waiting. Ah, there it is. All right, set it up out, you know, maybe a mill lead from the wood, send the shot, and I'd move. And literally almost every time, that was what just I don't know, perfect timing for that. It happened. And I get to my last position and I look down and I have like eight seconds, and I'm like, crap. So I sent the shot right before it went behind the wood, hit it, it comes out, and I think I sent it at the buzzer, if not right afterwards. Um, and just again, I think I probably burned 15 seconds. It would be conservative, just waiting. Just waiting. So unfortunately, that was the second shot, and I was like, ah, that's a bummer.

SPEAKER_04 59:09

I'm glad you didn't lose a match on that. That would be that would be a hard to swallow. Like why all right, now I gotta watch timing of movies before I start any stages, you know, it was good.

SPEAKER_06 59:20

Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 59:20

So you dropped one on 15.

SPEAKER_06 59:23

Yeah, so we ended on 14, and you know, I shot my nice blazing fast 68-second uh skill stage, and then day one, or excuse me, day two, yeah, we come back out and I dropped one on the first stage. Uh, I was getting too many meme bug looks in the parking lot, so I figured if I limited the five shot uh gap a little bit, I'd I'd still have some tires left on my car when I got back to the to the drive home. So I was like, I'll just drop a few early so people kind of chill out. Um anyway, so no, I got up there and I, you know, it was um it was a panning shot, one shot at like 450 maybe, big pan on a berm. I think it was like a 650 shot. Not the biggest targets either. It was a pretty small uh 650, and just the way the wind was in the morning was pretty lulled, and so you know, you're holding straight up or spin drift, and then middle through my run, the wind decided it was going to show up and blew me off one of the edges and caught it, saw it, and carried on through the match, or carried on through that stage. But uh yeah, that was day two, and then cleaned the rest of that side of the range, make the turn into stage one, which I know Josh Eagid, he was he got tore up by this stage. I was I saw his scores, and I think he'd have been right there with me without right if he got to shoot this stage again. But this one was a 800-yard KYL, and in between was a complete pan, probably 30 to 45 degrees into a brush line, uh 600-yard uh circle or square. And if you did not connect on that first shot on that confirmation target, you saw nothing. Um, no foliage move, there's no berm, there's no backstop. Um, honestly, I think a skyline target would have been easier because you probably had a bit chance of a C trace, but with foliage, it's just so disrupted there's no real seeing trace. And so I said the first shot, it was a left to right at the target there, and then it was a little bit of a boil at the target, and everyone had been needing to hold right, even with that boil as I was watching this squad in front of me. I'm like, okay, well, I'm seeing exactly what I saw them hold right in. I'm just gonna hold just a favor to the right. Saw nothing. Okay, go back, shoot the confirmation or shoot the KYL next biggest target. Oh, maybe three tenths left. No problem. Hit that. Come back to the confirmation. I'm like, all right, the it's picked up a little bit more. I'm just gonna give it a right edge. Like, I'm gonna get a little bold here and just do a full right edge. Saw nothing. Go back to the KYL, hold my three tenths, no problem. And come back and I'm like, all right, well, let's give it a far left hold. That's the only thing that would else make sense. And I give it a far farthest left hold on the target, and it smack just clipped the right edge of the target. I'm like, okay. So what I needed on the eight hundred yard. Yeah, like, well, maybe four. I basically needed three tenths left on the eight hundred yard at noon in front of me, and then at the two o'clock confirmation, I was using three to four tenths left. Okay. Um, which didn't really math out, and I watched Caruso shoot it right in front of me. Um he connected with his last no, he didn't connect. I don't know if it was his second to last shot or his last shot at that target. He connected with one round on that um on that stage. But yeah, I could I I didn't understand why. I was like, man, that Josh tore up on that stage. Yeah. So he connected with one shot on it.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:07

Um go to Josh's score on that. You know, did you talk to Josh? Did he miss all his shots on the confirm or on the TYO?

SPEAKER_06 1:03:16

I think he missed I did talk to him. I don't remember exactly the sequence. I believe he might have missed one on the on the KYL, but I think he missed all of them. I think he missed I think he might have missed all of them on that confirmation target. I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:37

12 for the match and six on that stage. I wonder how he feels about that.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:43

Yeah, that's like I saw that and I was like man. Like that's brutal. Like he shot phenomenal. Um when I had checked scores right before I think it was right before he shot that match, before I was about to shoot the last stage, we were I think tied at two two shots. Drops. Yeah. Uh well he hung on after that. He shot real well though.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:10

Yeah, you gotta something like that happens to a lot of shooters and they're then their match is over. So like six drop shots in a in a match where you know you can't drop any, right? Well, but look at his scores after that happened. Clean, clean, clean.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:24

Did he drop more than one on any other stage? Nope. Yeah. No. So cleaned or drop one on every other stage. Like that's extremely impressive to pick it right back up.

unknown 1:04:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:37

Good job, Josh. Yeah, good job, Dash. He was shooting at uh sixth creed this weekend. Was he? Was he doing the 120s? Bushman Hornady special. Was he really? Wow.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:49

What a bandwagon.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:53

Well, when you're talking about Rudisil and like all the calibers that he's gone through, like I mean, Josh has probably shot six calibers in the last two months. You know, has he? 6'5 47, 6'5 Creed, 6 Creed. You'll have to get 25 GT, 6 GT.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:10

Next time Klay's on here, get him to talk about uh who's won the most pro matches with different cartridges. Has he talked about that on here? He he's he knows uh him and Orgain are always argued about it. Orgain Orgain thinks he has the record, or I think. And it's like six different cartridges that Orgain has won pro matches with.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:36

Can you name him?

SPEAKER_07 1:05:39

He's one with six five creed, six creed, six dasher, uh twenty-five by forty seven. Yeah. Let me think. There's a couple there's a couple more obscure ones. Uh uh six by forty seven that he started out with the TRS with. So that's five. There's one in there that I miss and I I think Oregon's at six cartridges. He's won pro batches with a. Which is three. I'm at three right now. And I don't plan on one anymore. Actually, I didn't I didn't think I'd ever get past two.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:15

Dasher 25 GT.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:17

Yeah, Dasher 25 GT. The six creed thing was just on a lark, you know, but it was fun.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:24

I won my first pro match at a six creed. Um I think I won the first two with a six creed, and then I've won with a BRA and a BR. I don't think I've ever won with a six five. Shot a two a little bit.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:37

You ever shot a dasher?

SPEAKER_06 1:06:39

I have shot other people's dashers. I've never shot my own dasher.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:44

Sure.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:45

Um yeah. I've shot if we're if we're going for calibers, like yeah, just went on the dasher next. It I mean, I think, yeah, Dasher would be a an easy button for cartridge, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:01

No doubt. No doubt.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:06

Greg, what have you what have you won matches with? You were back-to-back grind champs.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:10

Uh yeah, that's uh yeah. Anyway, all I've ever shot is Dasher and 308. Uh I say that. I'm sure I started with a 6'5 Creed more early on. Um, but yeah, just once I once they got the for the Dasher to where it would run, that's all I ever ran. That and the as as Organe calls it, the ballistic hay bale 308.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:34

There you go.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:36

I've never shot a 308 in a competition. Um even at one day. Never never shot one. Never owned a 308, actually.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:44

I shot my first match with it. That was it. I went to King Barn.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:48

First and only?

SPEAKER_04 1:07:49

Well, first and only. Yeah. There you go. Yeah, that was it. Yeah. Nice. Awesome. Tongue. It's good to see you, dude. Thank you for coming on. Good luck. Uh the rest of the season, dude.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:02

All right. See you on impact.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:04

Michael Marty, thank you for joining us tonight.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:06

Absolutely. How are you guys doing?

SPEAKER_04 1:08:08

Doing good. How are you? I thought I had a lot of guns.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:13

I couldn't find anywhere else to do this, so I'm like, ah, everyone else does it in their gun room. I might as well do it too.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:17

There you go. All right. I'm looking, I'm trying to look close. Are the guns on the over your left shoulder and right shoulder?

SPEAKER_01 1:08:25

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:28

Which one's your favorite? Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:31

Honestly, the 300 Norma right now, the one on the tripod in the very front. I'm really digging the 300 Norma. I love that thing.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:38

Why?

SPEAKER_01 1:08:39

I I don't know. It's just wicked easy to load for, and I I hit everything I aim at with it.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:44

Yeah. 300 Norma is like the big dasher or the big 65x47. It's very easy.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:51

Yeah, and suppressed, I can shoot it without earplugs and everything, and the recoil is not that bad. I love it.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:56

Yeah. If you want to that I mean, it's it's a huge cartridge, but if you want a big cartridge that that is easy to load for, that's the one.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:05

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:07

Okay. Um man, let's talk about your match this weekend. So sheepdog showdown, right? Yeah. 94 signed up. Yep. Phenomenal. That's pretty good.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:23

Uh last year we had quite a bit more, though. This year was a little bit lighter, like we talked about once before.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:28

But yeah, yeah. Uh how big is how big is the range where you you host this? It's not actually huge, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:09:36

No, it's I venture to say it's probably one of the smaller ones that we have.

unknown 1:09:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:41

I wouldn't doubt. It's yeah, it's pretty small, kind of narrow. Uh, but we do a lot with it. It kind of goes up the side of a mountain. So different elevation changes, which are kind of cool.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:52

Yeah, I've I remember talking with uh I think it was Keith Baker. He did Keith Baker win it one year.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:58

Uh actually, I think he won twice in a row.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:01

Oh my god. Yeah, I think I remember talking to him after one year, and he's like, yeah, it's an incredible range. It's it seems really small when you first look at it, but then when you get into the match, like it it's way bigger than it. The way the space is used is incredible.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:15

Yeah, that's what he says. Yep. He seems to like it there. He's coming this year, so definitely can't count him out.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:22

So yeah, yeah. What so if he's won it twice, what kind of like course of fire are you setting up? Like, and you know, why does it suit Keith Baker so well?

SPEAKER_01 1:10:32

I I really don't know. I don't know. I just remember I do a lot of movement because we kind of have to, since the range isn't huge, I I can't spread things out a lot. Um, so we do a lot of movement on props and whatnot. And I don't know. He just like he he always tells me he oozes in the position and uh he just does well there.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:54

I can see I can totally see that's funny.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:58

Yeah. Yeah, he just I don't know. He he can he can do well with the wind there because in in general, the wind on the bottom is different than what it is up atop. And uh I don't know, he just he just does well there.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:11

Okay. But uh uh how many how many stages do you run in this this year?

SPEAKER_01 1:11:16

I'm gonna run nine and nine, so eighteen.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:18

Okay. Uh do you run continuous or do you do you know nine and then you know reset everybody, go back to the same stage area?

SPEAKER_01 1:11:26

Well, I have 18 stages all in in one line, so we'll shoot like on Saturday we'll shoot every other stage more or less, and then someday we'll use the other ones.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:36

Got it, got it. What's the furthest you shoot out to?

SPEAKER_01 1:11:39

Um, I think the longest target this weekend is gonna be 986.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:44

That's perfect in my mind. Yeah, Bushman. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What's the close one?

SPEAKER_01 1:11:52

Uh I think the closest one is 320.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:57

Sure. Uh that works. They're not gonna like it.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:59

It's like a four-inch target at 320, so go ahead. What do you got?

SPEAKER_07 1:12:04

On a scale of one to ten, ten being the hardest match in the PRS every year, how hard is this match gonna be?

SPEAKER_01 1:12:14

Um, how hard is it gonna be? I've shot a lot of hard ones, but I honestly probably like a seven.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:21

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:22

It's pretty hard. I don't think it's gonna be really hard. I put some small targets out there to make sure like people definitely drop points, but uh it's not an impossible match. I think it depends on the wind. I mean, I think we all know that if the wind doesn't show up, well, it's gonna be a little easier.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:40

What uh what's the weather forecast for this weekend? What do you what's it looking like?

SPEAKER_01 1:12:44

It last I checked, it was looking pretty good. Uh it wasn't gonna be too hot. It didn't show any rain until maybe Sunday, but it it changes a lot. You gotta remember we're in the mountains, it can change in 10 minutes, so you know who knows? But the wind kind of yeah, no, they were like 10 to 12, maybe.

unknown 1:13:02

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:02

Gusts up there, you know, it's different than it is down the bottom of the mountain.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:06

So it's actually like midday, all of a sudden you got 20 mile-an hour winds.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:11

Absolutely. Yep.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:12

Okay. A lot of indicators. I mean, you're up in the mountains. Like, can you see trees moving and I mean like absolutely, yeah, you can definitely see it.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:21

Um, we have a lot of foliage all over the place. Um, a lot of tall trees, grass. Um, up top, though, is a little bit more different, uh, a little more difficult to read the wind up top. Like I said, it it completely goes one direction on the bottom, another direction on top.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:36

So inquiring minds want to know what is the temperature. That's the most important thing. What's the high?

SPEAKER_01 1:13:47

Uh I did you mean uh the actual degrees? What's it supposed to be this weekend? Like 70 something, 75. Today was 101.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:55

So 70 degrees. You just sold the match out. We need to put it on.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:58

70 degrees. Last year it was like 90s and pretty hot.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:02

So and and no chance of rain?

SPEAKER_01 1:14:04

No, there's definitely a chance of rain on Sunday. Uh, they're kind of saying Monday it was gonna hit, but I'm not stupid. I know we might get some on Sunday. Uh hopefully not. I got tense to cover the uh shooting line, so uh we should be okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:18

Mid-70s. That sounds unreal.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:22

How many how many years have you been hosting this match, Mike? I think this is my fourth year. Okay. I was thinking.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:30

I think Baker won it twice. Ryan Beck won it last year, and then it'll be this year.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:35

Are you calling Ryan Beck's gonna win it this year?

SPEAKER_01 1:14:37

No, Ryan's not coming. He had something going on.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:40

Okay. Well, why don't we uh we're gonna do a four-way pick here. We'll do a uh snake draft. You guys cool with this?

SPEAKER_02 1:14:52

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:53

I know Bushman's ready to go. He's got notes and stuff. This whole time you're probably you were you were texting with Jeff Geary to get his notebook.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:05

No, Jeff's terrible at this. I've got my own. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:10

Well, we'll do a snake draft. We're gonna go four spots, okay? Um we can here, can you guys see that? So I I got it sorted. We got all pros, semi-pro, marksman, amateur unclassed. Um I feel like we should probably kind of scan through these and make sure there isn't like uh Morgan King that's slipped in unclassed or something, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:15:34

No, he definitely didn't slip in.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:36

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:37

I've been telling him to come to this match, but he hasn't made it yet.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:40

He's been known to just slide in here. I've wanted to go to David Christmas for years.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:46

I've wanted to go to this forever and haven't ever made it.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:51

Buy your plane ticket to Syracuse and let's go. Is it the closest? I've still got time.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:56

No, Albany. Albany would be the closest.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:59

Find Albany.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:00

Closest small airport, you know what I mean? It's international, but it's not like uh New York City type.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:05

International meaning Montreal, which is like an hour north, right?

SPEAKER_07 1:16:08

How much do you think an airplane ticket from OKC costs me right now? Probably 1200 bucks. Albany?

SPEAKER_01 1:16:13

I honestly I wouldn't doubt it.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:15

Probably before you hold on. Before I would, what is your threshold?

SPEAKER_07 1:16:21

Well, I'm not $300 so you go. My my threshold has other uh more other things to do with family and whatnot.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:29

I I get it.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:30

If I look like if I looked this up and it was $1,500, I'd be like, no, no chance, not doing it. Yep.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:36

I don't think it'll be that much, but Albut didn't do it. If you can fly into New York City, it would be a little bit cheaper.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:42

A LB. The way it works in my mind is if I look up the price and it's like extremely low, then I'm like, oh. Then I try to figure out other, you know, other excuses to try and make it to the match. Like, oh that's 450 bucks for round trip, no problem. 347. Is this OKC? This is in August. You gotta you gotta change your dates here. Oh, dang it. Dang it, dang it. Yeah. Uh uh fly on the 16th. No, 17th. 17th and out on Sunday. We're not wasting time here. We got barrels to make. Uh oh, come on.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:24

It's my first time. All right. Yeah. Yeah. 350.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:27

That's cheap. No, it's not bad. Oh no. I've got to load 200. How many rounds is it?

SPEAKER_02 1:17:36

Uh 188.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:38

188 plus 300. Oh, that's not bad. See? I load 190 rounds and just 350. Dang. All right.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:47

No, it's connecting. Right. Can you text him a picture of the prize table as well? Like maybe we can skip the deal tonight.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:55

Yeah, well, probably fourth place prize. What would be fourth place prize? You got anything good there for fourth? Set a finals for you.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:04

Yeah, well, I mean, we got some good stuff. Prize tables have been tough this year, but we got some good stuff.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:09

Yeah. Let's split it right down the middle. Well, let's talk about all those shooters that are gonna be there and have a chance to win this then. Yeah. Um, we got the gladis, Keith Baker, you said, Keith Ken Sonowski, Ken Shari, Kyle McRaw, McGrogan, Laurel will be there, Minton Fabry, Patty Young's. This might be Patty Young's first.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:35

I mean, he's got a shot. He's due. I know that.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:18:38

Didn't uh Google. Did you predict Tony Rocco? Somebody was saying Tony Rocco's really good earlier in the year.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:45

Tony Rocco. Yep. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:18:49

What match was that?

SPEAKER_04 1:18:50

Was that a good one?

SPEAKER_07 1:18:50

I should be giving away the secrets. Yeah. Well, I was on the podcast and the match director was. No, no, I wasn't on the podcast. I was listening to it.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:58

Was it Steiner's match? Was it Vortex?

SPEAKER_07 1:19:01

It was Steiner. It was Steiner saying that Tony Rocco. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:05

And he ended up finishing top 10, didn't he?

SPEAKER_07 1:19:07

Yeah, yeah, he did well. It was a good, it was a great uh prediction.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:11

Finished. Uh if I just put in MKM. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:19

How about I put in Vortex?

SPEAKER_07 1:19:22

Now somebody's going to beat me to that pick. That would have been a good sleeper pick there. You know? Yeah. I mean, do you go you take him first? I don't think you do. I don't get I don't have the first pick. Who's got who's picking first?

SPEAKER_04 1:19:37

We're going to leave that up to Lombardi. He was 20th.

unknown 1:19:40

All right.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:41

Lombardi. Let's just yeah, let's see how he's done this year.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:45

He's got 300 points in the region in the U.S. I went to Pig River.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:49

That's good.

SPEAKER_07 1:19:50

Yeah. That's a fun place to shoot.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:53

He finished second at my match last year.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:57

Oh, look at Tony too.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:58

There, you like the pizza photos? That's from you guys on that podcast. We named it the gold chain gang, and we all photoshopped pizza pictures and everything else. That's all you guys. That was your doing.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:12

Dang. That's really funny.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:17

He's gonna kill me, by the way, just so you know. He warned me.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:22

I see the influence we have here, Bushman.

SPEAKER_07 1:20:26

Yeah. Look at him in the he's the king of that region, man. Yeah. Well, what's the first pick?

SPEAKER_04 1:20:37

All right, let's there. Dude, we want to go through semi-pro or marksman, or just we're going for it. Okay, Mike Lombardi.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:49

Oh, oh yeah, you're putting me on a spot because he warned me. But I honestly, I I feel like Tony can do it. I really do. He's gonna yell at me and tell me, but I'm gonna take Tony.

SPEAKER_07 1:20:59

Oh, nice. So he is the number one overall player.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:03

See, now I'm putting pressure on him, though, and I know that's why he's gonna get mad at me.

SPEAKER_07 1:21:06

Yeah. We're going first you're up next, Greg. But there's two kinds of types of people in this world. The ones that that pressure makes them succeed, and the ones that that pressure just melts them.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:18

I agree.

SPEAKER_07 1:21:19

So we're gonna find out, Tony, which one you're gonna do.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:21

We're gonna find out which oh I'm gonna pay for this.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:25

Just want you to know we're all counting on you. I'm taking a look at these semi-prose and marksmen here, real quick. Cody Hallinger, he's done well.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:37

Uh Kurt Ives. Mark Brasenski is the other M in the MKM.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:46

Steiner was coming, but he had it back out. He had something going on.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:51

Probably.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:52

Well, Ken Sinoski's from them. So Tinder date.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:54

Yeah. Yeah. Who are you taking? Who are you taking, Greg Bell?

SPEAKER_05 1:21:59

Uh oh, we just going, we just go on top.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:03

You got out of one of these guys here. I mean, I took the time to to weight the averages and everything. Um, I'm I'm I'm going Patty Young's uh on this one. Patty's Patty's due. Um and since you didn't ask, I'll keep going. Um I'm gonna go Dave O.

SPEAKER_07 1:22:19

You can't pick, you gotta, you gotta wait your turn, bud. I'm sorry. Hey, is is Sinosky not at this match? Yeah, he's well he signed up. He's coming once I talked to him. Yeah, I'm taking Ken Sinatsky.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:30

Yeah, I think that's that's fair.

SPEAKER_07 1:22:34

Nobody on that list has more black bullets than Ken Sinoski.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:39

That's true. I'm taking Dave L. And then I get to pick again. I always put myself last because I I like picking twice. So already getting on. I'm gonna take Jiro. Oh, you know what? No, no, no. Taking Keith Baker.

SPEAKER_07 1:23:03

Oh, you're still like I was like, no way like Sanoski and Baker. Oh it's back to me, right? It is. And we've got Tony, Patty, you got scroll over. You got Keith and Dave O. Scroll back to the left. I'm taking Philip Guglielmo.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:30

He's definitely he's been shooting good too, so he's definitely got a shot. He's been shooting good and he has to be.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:35

Is he part of the pizza gang?

SPEAKER_01 1:23:36

Yeah, the gold chain gang we call him.

SPEAKER_07 1:23:40

Is that how you pronounce his don't I don't even want to know if that's the wrong way to pronounce his last name because I'm gonna I'm gonna keep saying it like that no matter what.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:47

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:48

Hold on. Uh was Google Elmo at MKM.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:54

Uh yeah, he was.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:55

Yep. Yep. Oh yeah, totally.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:58

Oh yeah. We call we call him Beautiful Phil. He never wears sleeves.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:05

You could tell there's no tan line there. The purtiest man I ever saw.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:11

What is his what is his tag here? Uh here handle. Phyllis21. Come on.

SPEAKER_07 1:24:23

Uh, one of my best friends in college was named Phil, and we called him Phyllis for four years in college.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:30

You would. All right, Greg Bell.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:37

Surprised y'all had nicknames in community college. Um I'm gonna go. Did somebody already take somebody take Drew? Did you already take Drew?

SPEAKER_07 1:24:48

Tell your all right, I got Drew. Oh, that's a good pick. Yeah. Old, very old, but good pick.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:00

Back to uh Mr. Lombardi. Mike gets too good. David Crispin. Dang it. I got nothing left. Don't say that.

SPEAKER_07 1:25:11

Well, I had a list of my uh my top picks, and unfortunately, for those listening who are still not picked, I'm sorry. I apologize.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:22

It's like high school all over again.

SPEAKER_07 1:25:24

Yeah, you get another pick, Mike. Yeah, you get another pick.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:26

I need another pick. Uh I'll I'll take Cody. Cody Hullinger, he can have a good day.

SPEAKER_07 1:25:31

The top semi bro.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:34

There you go.

SPEAKER_07 1:25:35

Which one of the uh oh it's Greg's turn again. I better I better stay quiet here. Yep.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:42

I got Laurel. Laurel I can hit.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:44

Yeah, that's that's really good pick there. Oh, nope, no, don't do that.

unknown 1:25:53

Okay.

SPEAKER_07 1:25:54

Bushman. Which one of the Galattis is better?

unknown 1:25:58

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:59

Well, are you you're not gonna put me on the spot for that?

SPEAKER_07 1:26:02

John Galati I fourth?

SPEAKER_01 1:26:04

John Jr. John Jr., yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:26:06

Um, because the match fee. That's which one's better. So we've had we've had this exact argument before on the podcast, and you even went back and looked at their match history, Ken. This was like six months ago. You went back and looked at their matches history. They both have they both had hot and cold streaks. Yeah. And you guys decided on a pick. I don't know if you ever went back and revisited this because this is just for me watching the podcast. And you went back, so you guys decided which one was better on the podcast, made the pick, and then the other one performed better at the match that weekend. And I thought that was super funny.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:47

So yeah, only it would yeah. Uh okay, so we got a couple email address issues.

SPEAKER_07 1:26:57

So I got John Galati 4. So please be on your A game. Maybe I'll get both of them, you know, just in case.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:33

You know, I'm gonna take it to you, I'm gonna take Yannick.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:38

Oh another good one, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:40

And a friend from across the border there, right? I'll take Travis Pomp.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:53

I do think there's a couple good ones left. Bushman.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:57

I got a ringer.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:59

A ringer.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:00

Yeah. Scroll down a little bit. Oh, I like what you're thinking.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:10

Yeah. Dan.

SPEAKER_07 1:28:15

I I'm just going off of name recognition at this point. I don't know a lot of these. I'll take the other John Galati. Give me both. I'll be right back. Where's your pick, Greg? Who's your ring?

SPEAKER_05 1:28:38

Denny. Uh no, where that's the one I'm thinking of.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:44

Denny Alright. Yeah, where is he? Oh, he's right here. That's not him.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:49

Yeah, I think it is. He I think he changed his name.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:51

Denny O.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:52

I don't know why he signed up Denny O, but I that's I think he changed.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:56

It's his picture on the profile. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:00

Was it my pick?

SPEAKER_07 1:29:01

It is.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:02

I'll take Andrew Makos.

SPEAKER_07 1:29:04

That was a good one. Yeah. That's a good one for last pick. The rest of you are unselected. So, you know, impressive.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:19

Uncircumcised Philistines.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:21

I yeah. I'll bet. We have one or two semi-pros in the top ten. Oh yeah. We didn't even pick.

SPEAKER_07 1:29:32

Maybe an am. I definitely think so. There's been several ands this year. You never know. You never know whose weekend it's gonna be. Well awesome.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:47

Any uh anything else, Mike?

SPEAKER_01 1:29:50

Uh no, I'm I'm excited for the match. Uh prize table was was tough, but uh you know I gotta thank all those sponsors. Collis came through pretty big for us. Uh those guys put it together. They've been the title sponsor now for since I started it. Uh I shoot for Collis as well, so uh they always take care of me. I can't thank them enough for that. But yeah, we got some good sponsors. The prize table is not too bad. Uh should go smooth. I love using impact, by the way. I'm sure you all use it, right? That really made things easier.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:20

So yeah, it's and it's uh constantly evolving. Yeah, yeah, I agree. It's really constantly.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:28

That's all I got. I thought you were gonna come, Ken. What happened? You couldn't make it?

SPEAKER_04 1:30:31

Yeah. I I think my first match is gonna be well, first match this summer, I guess, because I've been a couple this spring, but I think it's gonna be the Barrel Maker, which is here in Wisconsin, and then I think it's the next weekend I'm gonna go down to the impact match. Gotcha. No, it's been crazy busy. Thankfully, baseball's over. So which I love baseball, but I do want to kind of be selfish with my time this summer. Yeah. Maybe next year. Right on. Appreciate you, Mike.

SPEAKER_07 1:31:06

Last year at Chris's match is the most wet I have ever been at a PRS match. I don't know. I've I decided to go last second. I packed my stuff. I looked at the four, I remember looking at the forecast and said, I thought it said no chance of rain. Not sure if I even looked up the right location. And I had just no rain clothes whatsoever on, and it was pouring on the morning of day two, just pouring. And I was sitting in the truck and I had to walk, you know, halfway down the course of fire, and I was just sitting in the parking lot, just like, please stop raining, please stop raining. And I just waited and waited and waited, and finally I had to walk to the stage or I was gonna miss it. And I was like wet all the way through, socks and underwear and everything by the time I got there, just like completely dredged.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:59

You shot pretty well last year. You finished fourth? Eight behind Clay?

SPEAKER_07 1:32:04

I was in the lead after day one by like four shots. So, you know, didn't feel that great. No, we'll blame it on the rain.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:16

I mean, you only lost by eight. Yeah. I know.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:20

Well, we're gonna we're gonna take a look at your stage by stage here. Do you remember what stage you started on?

SPEAKER_07 1:32:27

Day two I the sloped roof number 17 ate my lunch. It was these little uh triangle targets, and I still have no idea if I was missing left, right, or low. I was and four shots, it was only four shots. I mean, it it for for how difficult the targets were, uh, we had a pretty high hit percentage last year. I I remember there was a couple times when it was windy on day one, and day two it rained like I was talking about, and then the rain led up and it was just one of those real still, humid, beautiful days after the rain. And we hit a lot of targets then, but uh that was a hard match as far as just talk the size of the targets and the distances to the targets. There was a stage, I think big game blast right there that I cleaned that was super hard stage. Um just long distance stage. And a lot I I remember Chris had some big targets, animal targets that were on like T-posts taller than I've ever seen, and about at 11 or 1200 yards, and you would miss and just see a little splash down down low, like way low, way behind the T-post. Have no idea if you went over or underneath you know the coyote target.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:48

That's uh you know, I I I shot I shot this match, I think it was Chris. Was that your first year that I think you ran it? Yeah. Was it 23? Yeah, yeah. And I'd uh I'd also shot clays match that year. And I felt like there was a lot of similarities, except this was in a much more pleasant location. Like green, moist, I think it rained on, thankfully, but like it just felt like conditions were like a perfect clays match, you know, and green.

SPEAKER_07 1:34:20

Yeah, it is it is a very nice location right along the edge of the cornfield. I is it that same location this year, Chris?

SPEAKER_00 1:34:26

Correct, yeah, it is. I can't seem to need my camera to camera to show here, but yeah, that's all right.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:36

Well, uh you can still see our screen, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:34:38

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:39

Perfect. Yeah. So let's take a look at uh see how many you got registered. I think it goes to 100. 106. Heck yeah. We'll do uh we'll do a pick'em here at the end. But what uh what kind of match can we look forward to this this year?

SPEAKER_00 1:34:58

Oh, I'd say fairly similar to years past. Um not probably quite as far on a couple of stages, uh keeping most of it inside of a thousand yards, I would say. There might be one to one or two targets past a thousand, that'll be it. Um other than that, I would say fairly similar to years past. There's a couple new stages we came up with that are unlike anything we've done before that I'm kind of excited about, so it'll be fun.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:30

Is that something we can talk about, or is that gonna be a total surprise?

SPEAKER_00 1:35:33

Uh I don't it it probably doesn't really matter, I guess. It's a there's a couple kind of smaller KYLs on one stage. Like two and one. That'll be kind of fun.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:47

Like stage two and one or like two MOA and one MOA. Two tenths, one tenth.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:53

They're not. Well, I suppose a small one is probably like one MOA.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:58

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:00

So this shouldn't be at all that bad.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:04

Right on. What's uh uh forecast for this weekend? Are we talking a ton of rain or what?

SPEAKER_00 1:36:09

Uh no, it's gonna be hot. Really, really hot. We've we've been 100 for a few days in a row here, and it's supposed to continue on through Monday. Jeez, yeah. Any wind? I don't say wind.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:27

Wind, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:28

Yeah, I I think I saw like 10 to 15 miles an hour, so pretty typical. Nothing crazy. Um fingers crossed, hopefully it doesn't rain like it did last year. But um we do have some wood chips ready to throw down if if we get into that situation.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:47

Can you wear wood chips? Like can uh a guy like Bushman without any rain gear like protect himself with wood chips?

SPEAKER_05 1:36:53

We roll him around in the mud long enough, he can wear them.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:59

It doesn't do much good to throw them down before it rains here either because it'll just blow away in the wind.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:07

That's awesome. What uh like what percentage of uh prone versus positional do you have going this year?

SPEAKER_00 1:37:16

I usually keep it pretty consistent. I'm 50-50. Yeah. Um seems to be pretty fitting for our crowd up here. Uh up in up in our area, most guys actually just want to lay down their belly and shoot prone on everything. Not a big fan of that positional stuff. Um but obviously being PRS match, we're gonna mix some of that up. So we try to go 50-50. Um kind of the same with the animal targets versus like squares and circles. Do about 50-50 animals and geometric shapes.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:50

You got a good target supplier?

SPEAKER_00 1:37:52

What's that?

SPEAKER_04 1:37:53

You got a good target supplier?

SPEAKER_00 1:37:54

Yeah, I know a guy.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:59

I guess for for everybody out there, THS is target hanging solutions. That's the uh primary sponsor of the match. And uh owned by Chris Offer here.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:08

Yep. Yep. So obviously everything is uh our hangers. We like to use our AR500 posts on those.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:17

Yep. Yeah, awesome.

SPEAKER_07 1:38:20

I use uh Chris's for my practice targets that I shoot at 400 yards. I kept destroying targets. Like if you if you have a target of 400 yards that you shoot a lot, that's a very small target, it just you can't find one that lasts. So far, so good, Chris. They're still going strong. What is that where you put a two-inch target? Yeah, I've got a TYL. It starts at eight, six, four, and then two inch. And I shoot that two inch a lot, so it gets beat up.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:56

That's just at 400? That's like your main practice.

SPEAKER_07 1:38:59

This is Yeah, it's the easiest place I had to shoot just outside my house. So, and I and I think it's good practice. So I built a barricade and I've got uh that target array at 400. And like his AR-500 post with half-inch thick targets on it lasts really good at that distance, getting hit a lot of times.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:20

But uh let's talk about more like what they can expect out of stages and whatnot. Yeah, you said 50-50 positional and and and prone, 50-50 uh animal targets and shapes. Um, you try to uh balance it out pretty good where you have you know long-range stages every five or eight or something like that, or you you know make sure everybody shoots two a day or something like that.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:46

Yep. We usually have two of the what I would consider longer stages a day. Everybody shoots ten stages a day, so everybody's shooting the exact same stages each day. Um I just I like to do that. I think it kind of evens it makes it more of an even playing field for everybody. Um and yeah, I try to space out the long ones by about five stages if I can. Um just depends on the terrain. And you know, you'd like to switch it up each year, so it gets a little it's a little challenging trying to do that. But um if we can, we try to go like positional, prone, positional prone. That doesn't always work out perfectly, but try to try to get it so you're not don't go on three or four positional stages in a row.

SPEAKER_07 1:40:34

Right. I really like 50% positional, 50% prone. I think more match directors should try to learn how to do difficult prone stages uh with small targets and panning and things like that. Um prone stages can be harder than positional stages real easily. And uh to me, position precision rifle is it anywhere where I can put down a bipod, I'm gonna do it. So I like you know a lot of positional shooting in a PRS match rather than 18. Uh I mean I like I like a lot of prone shooting in a PRS match rather than 18 positional stages and you know, like lay down one spot and shoot a TYL rack or something.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:17

What's a what's a really difficult prone stage you've run, Bushman?

SPEAKER_07 1:41:22

Oh, there's I've I've run tons of uh difficult prone stages. But put small targets up. Make people hit them, you know.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:30

Around the world at Box Canyon, uh that one that he runs, and it's modified prone, but I mean Yeah, off the picnic table.

SPEAKER_07 1:41:39

That that one's an amazing stage.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:41

That one's that one's always gonna be it's uh it's a good stage, it's a great stage.

SPEAKER_07 1:41:46

It's a big panning uh modified prone troop line, essentially, if you can call it a troop line, but it's five targets up at the peak of every hill that they have at the very back of the range, and it uh goes from probably 550 yards out to a thousand in 1,700. I think I think you use uh small targets is them is the number one thing you do. I mean, uh you use bigger targets when people are shooting from positions and have to go a little faster. And when and but but shooters need to prove that they can uh hit small targets in windy conditions and use what they saw at that target to get the right information to get them on another small target somewhere else.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:29

Do you think you have to require a backdrop?

SPEAKER_07 1:42:33

Uh no, I think I think you don't have to, but I think uh, you know, just by the nature of geography and the landlays, you're gonna have most of your, you know. You mean like skyline or no berm?

SPEAKER_04 1:42:48

Yeah, that's what I mean.

SPEAKER_07 1:42:48

Uh I'm having you describe like what was that just to me, uh if you're out in a field style match, then there's no reason to have berms behind anything, just putting it up on a post and shooting the grass if you miss. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:04

Yeah, we got a we got a couple of those those skyline ones that are I've heard a few complaints about, but uh you know, you try to eliminate as many of those as you can, but you're gonna have them at times. And I guess that to me that's just kind of part of it.

SPEAKER_04 1:43:22

What's the uh what's the setup of berms and stuff you got out there? I mean, you a couple areas you're shooting down a couple cuts, right? So you're gonna have backdrop, but what's most of the most of the match?

SPEAKER_00 1:43:35

There's very few berms or backdrop or good backdrops, I would say. I mean it's it's a field style match. You're gonna have grass. Um they did hay the field this year, which is gonna be beneficial to a lot of guys. Just it's a lot easier to see where you're hitting with that with the hayed field. Um normally it's two to three feet tall back behind the target. If you miss, I mean you're just not gonna see much.

SPEAKER_04 1:44:00

What is it now? Less than 10?

SPEAKER_00 1:44:02

Uh yeah, it's probably like four inches when I saw it on Saturday.

SPEAKER_07 1:44:07

The terrain at this kind of match, you don't need burbs as much. It's not uh you're shooting across a valley, and so most of your targets are already on an upslope anyways. And your bullet's not gonna go. I mean, you did have some stages, Chris, where the bullet went a long way behind the target, but on most of the stages, the bullet's hitting within five yards of the target, anyways, on the hillside. So you know it was easy to tell where you're hitting on the hill.

SPEAKER_00 1:44:35

There's a couple of those where you were hitting way behind the target that I eliminated or moved a little bit just to, you know, some of those stages are similar, but I definitely moved a few targets to eliminate some of that stuff.

SPEAKER_04 1:44:51

Taking a look at previous year's winner, so 2023, Jake Favort won it. This might have been is this his last Pro Series match win? Bushman, do you know that?

SPEAKER_07 1:45:02

I don't think that's his last one, no. Last Pro Series? I don't think it's his last pro series win. I think he's won once it probably won in 24, actually.

SPEAKER_04 1:45:12

Yeah, okay. Um Edgad's in there, third place. Ned Bed, who's another South Dakota guy. Travis Stevens. Travis Stevens. South Yeah. Clay finished seventh. Miles is up there. Sam Gearing, he seems to shoot really well out there. Uh Derek Davidson, North Dakota. Uh 24, Austin or Gain, Clay Blackheader, Shane Lane Shelley, Licky was there, Oliver Penthamke, a couple Wisconsin guys, Josh Edged, Rowdy.

SPEAKER_00 1:45:48

Wisconsin Rowdy showed up.

SPEAKER_04 1:45:50

Let's say again.

SPEAKER_00 1:45:51

Said Wisconsin really showed up that year.

SPEAKER_04 1:45:53

Yeah, we did. Yeah. Josh, Oliver, Edged, we include Ted from Iowa. Um Noel. Last year, Clay. Kent, uh, he's from Minnesota. Ted's up this way. Up north. Bushman, Catalik, Rhodes, Rowdy again. Orgain was a Garrett, Sam Gearing, Derek. I mean a lot of the same same guys, but we don't have enough matches in North and South Dakota to really spread these guys out, so kind of makes sense.

SPEAKER_07 1:46:35

What's uh uh looking at the squads for this match, there's a lot of pretty good shooters signed up.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:42

Well, let's take a look at that. Find where the super squad is here, huh?

SPEAKER_00 1:46:48

I think there might be a couple.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:50

A couple super squads. I don't think it's one through three. Rusty thriller love that. Yeah, Organe, Blackheader, Stevens, Joe Thielen, Miles Neville, Tucker. Yep, all those guys have finished well here. Uh Derek. Hey, Fraser McKenzie. Kiwi. Yeah. Australian? Uh uh Kiwi. So New Zealand. Uh New Zealand, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:47:18

Oh.

SPEAKER_04 1:47:19

It's not as exciting. Yep. So you got Rowdy, Sam, and Ted Clark. Any one of these three is good do it.

SPEAKER_00 1:47:27

And Derek's been up there basically top ten every year, I think, almost.

SPEAKER_04 1:47:33

Yep. Uh squad six, you got Nedved, who's done well there. He's more of a rim fire shooter, but loves your match.

SPEAKER_00 1:47:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:44

Um, that's about it there, I think. Seven. Don't leave don't leave Joe Thielen out. I said it. Okay, okay, okay. I said it, man.

SPEAKER_05 1:47:54

He, I mean it's coming off a win.

SPEAKER_07 1:47:59

Any gap. Yeah, where yeah, where he gapped clay by tits shots. Yeah. I hate having to bring that up like every time I see clay.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:11

Uh anybody else here? Yeah, you can this is another Wisconsin one here. Ulicky, Gutcher, uh, Kutcher.

SPEAKER_04 1:48:22

That might be about it. Derek Love? We're gonna talk about him being washed up or he hasn't been shooting much. Nick Bernard would be good, shoot good. Carlson's there, Thornton, uh, Thornton, Space Force. Space Force. Yeah, Thunder Beast.

SPEAKER_07 1:48:44

I uh let's see. I think Derek Love uh, you know, he can still shoot. Oh, I don't know. No, he's I I I don't think picking him for first is gonna be my play, but I don't think it would be a bad pick.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:04

I don't think it'd be a bad pick either.

SPEAKER_04 1:49:08

I'm going to You can still see the screen, right? Chris?

SPEAKER_00 1:49:15

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 1:49:16

All right. We'll go first. Uh Bushman, I'll throw you a bone here.

SPEAKER_07 1:49:23

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:49:27

Appreciate it. I'll go last so I get the double pick. All right. Chris, who do you think's gonna win this match? You get the first overall pick.

SPEAKER_00 1:49:39

I hate to say it. I hate to say it.

SPEAKER_04 1:49:41

Oklahoma shooter. I know we hate saying it every time.

SPEAKER_00 1:49:43

But I think it might be Clay. Yeah. I I hate to say it. And I'd say it to his face too.

SPEAKER_04 1:49:52

So Bushman. Joe Telan.

SPEAKER_07 1:49:57

Oh, it's a good pick.

SPEAKER_05 1:50:03

Greg Bell. And I quote one of the most talented shooters to ever pick up a rifle, Austin Wargame. I may I may still be looking for a job, Wargain, just if I'd you'd want to work with Bushman every day?

SPEAKER_04 1:50:21

I'm not looking for a job anymore.

SPEAKER_07 1:50:24

We have such a great work environment. Oh boy. I've only had one guy quit since I became the manager here. You know? One. It's not bad. Crew of two. We've got about eight employees now. We're doing we're doing great. We're just smoking right alone.

SPEAKER_04 1:50:50

You know. So I get two picks here, and I I'm gonna take Sam Gearing. I think this could be his first win. Not a chance. Not a chance. And Ted Clark is gonna be a close second.

SPEAKER_00 1:51:05

Same with my next pick.

SPEAKER_04 1:51:07

Those are solid picks. Greg. This will be his first time. Dang it.

SPEAKER_05 1:51:15

Back to Greg Bell, yeah. I had to ask him one time, is it Uliki or Ulikey? Because either one's a cool last name. But anyway, I'm going Ulicky. It is Ulicky.

SPEAKER_04 1:51:27

And his dad's nickname, his dad shoots with us sometimes too. His dad's name is Spike Uliki.

SPEAKER_05 1:51:35

God, what a cool name, man.

SPEAKER_04 1:51:37

Yeah, that's good.

SPEAKER_07 1:51:44

There's too many good ones left. If it if we were the third round's gonna be easier than the second round. I'm gonna have to go. No old Greasley. Where? Oh yeah. Didn't see that one there, did you?

SPEAKER_04 1:52:00

I didn't. That's a really good pick. There's some really good ones left.

SPEAKER_00 1:52:09

Chris. Oh I'm I got I got a lot of names left here, but um probably gonna have to say Rowdy.

SPEAKER_04 1:52:22

Don't worry about. Yeah, you get to pick again, too. Yeah, you get two.

SPEAKER_00 1:52:28

Alright, I got I got then my next two is between two more South Dakota boys. Um I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to go with Charles Walm, which you guys probably don't know. You probably guys probably don't know who that is, but he's beat me at several matches in the last year or so.

SPEAKER_07 1:52:51

We're picking a marks. Everybody's beat you at the matches in the last year. Take it easy. Take it easy. Pull up the Hordy. Pull up the Hordy scores real quick.

SPEAKER_00 1:53:02

Nope, let's not do that.

SPEAKER_07 1:53:08

Oh, poor Chris.

SPEAKER_04 1:53:10

Wow. Chris, you might be the What's that? Your last win was at Kansas. Uh it was in Kansas City, right? At the Gap Range?

SPEAKER_00 1:53:19

Yeah, that's my only win. Only one. Only win.

SPEAKER_07 1:53:22

That's your only win? Yeah. You got a lot of top fives, though.

SPEAKER_04 1:53:27

For sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:53:28

Yeah. Clay stole a win from me last year or two years ago.

SPEAKER_07 1:53:35

Uh Derek Love. Uh, all right. And I got some good picks in here. You guys don't know how good Derek's been shooting this year. He came back to after after a what a sabbatical, and he's been shooting awesome. So he has been.

SPEAKER_04 1:53:53

Maybe that's what I need. Well, I basically have been on a sabbatical for six months here. All right, Greg.

SPEAKER_05 1:54:00

I got Nick Bernard, Arnard, Kansas.

SPEAKER_07 1:54:06

There's still there's still some great picks left here. Uh I get two. David Mackey? Ken?

SPEAKER_04 1:54:16

Pass.

SPEAKER_07 1:54:17

What what why are you laughing, Greg?

SPEAKER_04 1:54:26

I'm gonna take Tucker.

SPEAKER_07 1:54:31

I wish you'd just because he's uh just because he works for one of the big sponsors in the PRS, is that the deal? No. He's been shooting well this year, too.

SPEAKER_00 1:54:41

Maybe maybe I should have picked Tucker.

SPEAKER_04 1:54:44

You gotta he's already set 10,000 hours of scopes there, isn't he?

SPEAKER_00 1:54:49

Yeah, and I shoot Vortex, so maybe I should have picked him. Save.

SPEAKER_04 1:54:53

I love you, Tucker. Let's see. Oh you know, I think I might pick Eric David and my pro. Kind of just uh gambling a little.

SPEAKER_00 1:55:08

Yeah, I wanted all the North Dakota and South Dakota boys. It's getting hard, Greg.

SPEAKER_04 1:55:14

I still got I still got two good ones. I I got I know what my final pick is.

SPEAKER_05 1:55:19

All right, my turn. Um sorry, Nedvid. I gotta go. I think I think Frazier McKenzie is just he's right there. Oh, what's my next uh yeah, I got Fraser.

SPEAKER_07 1:55:30

I like that. Ah, it's a good pick. Okay, I still have some good ones here. Yeah. So so I I feel like Jared Horsky doesn't shoot that much. But he can he can shoot. And then I've got Jared Horsky. Yeah, he's a he's up there. Jared Jared Horsky.

SPEAKER_04 1:55:51

Jared Horsky.

SPEAKER_07 1:55:52

Garrett Stevens is a good pick.

SPEAKER_04 1:55:54

Yeah, that's a good pick.

SPEAKER_07 1:55:55

I got uh David Mackey still on the table. Uh Jonathan Thornton. Jonathan Thornton. Yeah, that's not a bad one. Uh actually uh Rusty Thriller is uh Richard Couture is not a bad option either. Rusty Thriller, is that he's North Dakota.

SPEAKER_04 1:56:18

Oh, you shoot attack, never mind.

SPEAKER_07 1:56:20

Scroll down a little bit. What are the so marksmen are uh let's see, is there any Brent Harlan?

SPEAKER_04 1:56:25

Well, you shoot sportsmen, never mind.

SPEAKER_07 1:56:28

Just making sure there's nobody like hiding down here in the marksman that's been Kenny Nordstrom. Hasn't he been a shooter forever?

SPEAKER_00 1:56:36

Since like 2009.

SPEAKER_04 1:56:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:56:41

He's due for win.

SPEAKER_07 1:56:47

All right, scroll back up.

SPEAKER_04 1:56:48

I'm gonna take one from the I'm looking up, I'm looking up Nordstrom. Hold on. Might be doing me a favor here. Pro ID. Anybody want to guess his?

SPEAKER_00 1:57:00

It's gotta be a three-digit number.

SPEAKER_04 1:57:03

Close. Well, you know what? I I was looking at a couple things here. Uh this is Precision Rifle Outlaws. He's number 71, but he's 1373.

SPEAKER_05 1:57:18

Oh which this would have in that'd be a while back.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:57:25

What's your number, Greg? 1406. What year? Oh 15 or 16. Yeah. I'm long in the tooth.

SPEAKER_07 1:57:39

Uh all right.

SPEAKER_05 1:57:40

And heavy on the scale. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_07 1:57:45

I'll take Garrett Stevens. All that talk.

unknown 1:57:54

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:57:55

Mr. Offer, you get your last two picks.

SPEAKER_00 1:57:58

I got some wild cards that you guys are gonna be like, what?

SPEAKER_04 1:58:02

Charles Wall?

SPEAKER_00 1:58:03

Yeah, I got more wild cards. Okay. Um I'm thinking maybe JJ Hall. Yeah. He just shoots pretty good. One more. The other one is gonna be. But he's been shooting pretty good around here. His name's Brody Oldfield.

SPEAKER_03 1:58:37

Brody.

SPEAKER_04 1:58:40

Uh Oldfield.

SPEAKER_07 1:58:43

Yep. I feel like if you pick a unclassified or a marksman or an amateur, and they end up like above a certain rank in the match, that you should get extra extra points here.

SPEAKER_04 1:58:57

Double points for him or something. Yeah. Yeah. Or half points. Like if they finish attacking. Half their placement. Half their placement, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:59:07

That'd make it too difficult. It's already hard. Ned's unclassed.

SPEAKER_04 1:59:12

He's down here. And he's finished top ten here pretty much every year.

SPEAKER_07 1:59:21

Is he from that area?

SPEAKER_04 1:59:23

Yeah, he's south uh he's uh half hour south of me. Yeah. East. I remember he had his trailer out there last year. Matt Hornback.

SPEAKER_02 1:59:34

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 1:59:36

There's a lot of good shooters that are unclassed.

SPEAKER_07 1:59:40

Are we waiting on my pick or is this you, Ken?

SPEAKER_04 1:59:42

Oh, I'm sorry. No, no, no. That's the Bushman.

SPEAKER_07 1:59:45

Oh, we're waiting on me. Sorry. Okay. I'm gonna take uh Jared Horski.

unknown 1:59:52

Oh crap.

SPEAKER_07 1:59:53

All you gotta do at this point is get somebody. If if any if your fifth pick gets in the top 20, then this is a good pick, you know.

SPEAKER_04 2:00:02

It was top 25, really.

SPEAKER_07 2:00:04

Yeah. Yeah, like you won the game. Mr. Greg Bell.

SPEAKER_05 2:00:10

Uh, I got Phil D. Wait, what? Phil D. Phil D. Hmm. Boy, I I I could just let you walk right into that. Um, Sam Carlson.

SPEAKER_07 2:00:25

Sam Carlson? Oh, that's the worst pick I've seen. He's gonna strangle you.

SPEAKER_05 2:00:32

I could take him. Uh go ahead and make another column. Uh we can take odds on that. Next.

SPEAKER_04 2:00:44

Oh, man. I am gonna take Rick Kutcher. I think Oh, I didn't realize he was still there. Yeah, I think I stand by my pick.

SPEAKER_07 2:00:55

I think great, great pick.

SPEAKER_04 2:00:57

Man, he's been close so many times.

SPEAKER_07 2:01:01

I wouldn't be I wouldn't be surprised if he was uh like top five. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 2:01:05

It's exactly great pick. It depends on depends on a lot of things for him. He like so I shoot with him a lot here, but he's the kind of guy that like if if I had to like if it was like life or death, we're gonna shoot paper at 300 yards. He's my pick every day of the week. Like I guarantee he's gonna be, you know, subquarter MOA at 300 yards with perfect win calls. Um he's a flat out really good shooter. That sounds like another thing.

SPEAKER_07 2:01:34

It's gonna be critical. What's gonna be critical for him at this range is to not miss very many targets.

SPEAKER_02 2:01:42

Yeah, that's probably a good call, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 2:01:44

Yeah, yeah. What were you saying, Chris?

SPEAKER_00 2:01:49

I said that sounded like an internet post, sub MOA all day or sub quarter MOA all day.

SPEAKER_04 2:01:55

But he doesn't post about it as long as long as I do my job, my job. Yeah. Yeah. I'm gonna save on this. Any uh anything else to mention on the match, Chris?

SPEAKER_00 2:02:09

Um yeah, don't miss targets.

SPEAKER_04 2:02:13

That's who's gonna win the match.

SPEAKER_00 2:02:15

They're all they're all reasonably sized. Should be able to hit them all.

SPEAKER_04 2:02:18

What's the I'm gonna put it in in here? What's the winner shooter percentage?

SPEAKER_00 2:02:24

Oh, based on the wind, I'm gonna say like 90%. Really? Is what's the wind supposed to be both days? 10 to 15.

SPEAKER_07 2:02:34

10 to 15. Is it supposed to be real low in the mornings for like a couple hours? It usually is. Hmm. They're gonna get four stages in of just hitting everything. Uh let's see.

SPEAKER_00 2:02:47

We have about uh half mil average target size.

SPEAKER_07 2:02:55

Put my prediction in for uh winning percentage. I've got a I've got a I'm gonna say 91.5.

SPEAKER_00 2:03:03

Because I didn't know where you're getting that specific. I would have tried a little harder.

SPEAKER_04 2:03:07

You gotta revise. No, I'm gonna. Well, you can't let him revise it now that I've already picked. He's gonna do 91.4.

SPEAKER_05 2:03:17

I'm gonna break out my abacus over here. That's my abacus. I'm good at it. Yeah, exactly. I'm gonna go 92.7.

SPEAKER_04 2:03:29

10 to 15. That's what we're thinking for wind.

SPEAKER_00 2:03:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 2:03:34

I'm gonna go. It's closest without going over, right?

SPEAKER_07 2:03:39

Oh crap. No, no, it's not. It's just the closest one dollar. One dollar. All right.

SPEAKER_04 2:03:49

No, I'll say 88.

SPEAKER_07 2:03:51

I will go low. That's the safe bet. Yeah. If anything crazy happens, it's gonna be lower.

SPEAKER_04 2:03:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 2:03:57

Awesome.

SPEAKER_04 2:03:59

Chris, good luck this weekend. Have a great match.

SPEAKER_00 2:04:02

Thanks.

SPEAKER_04 2:04:02

Be safe. Do all the do all the right things.

SPEAKER_00 2:04:05

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 2:04:08

Thanks for coming on, man.