Sentimental Watches: Do They Matter As Much As We Think? | S02 EP04 Four Married Men Podcast

Welcome back to the Four Married Men Podcast — where four watch collectors sit down to talk watches, collecting culture, and the stories behind the pieces we wear.

Jake Ross - https://www.instagram.com/amanintime
Salim Hammad - https://www.instagram.com/thedeadbeatseconds/
Justin Hast - https://www.instagram.com/justinhast
Tim Green - https://www.instagram.com/_timgreen_

In this episode, Jake, Salim, Justin & Tim dive into one of the most personal and divisive topics in luxury watch collecting:

👉 Do sentimental watches really matter as much as we think they do?

For some collectors, certain watches become untouchable. Tied to weddings, birthdays, milestones, and major life moments that make them impossible to sell. For others, sentimentality can sometimes get in the way of collecting objectively.

The guys discuss the emotional side of horology, from engraving casebacks and commemorating important moments, to commissioning bespoke or personalised watches designed to mark a specific occasion. But they also explore the flipside of personalisation — how engravings and highly personal details can dramatically reduce a watch’s resale value and make it far harder to sell on in the future.

From heirlooms and celebratory purchases to the tension between emotional value and market value, this episode is all about the watches that mean something more.

Expect honest opinions, disagreements, humour, and real conversations about why some watches stay with us forever — and whether sentimentality truly belongs in modern watch collecting.

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💬 What’s the most sentimental watch in your collection?

Transcript

SPEAKER_05 0:00

Uh this is when I decided to do some parkour to impress her.

SPEAKER_03 0:02

Have you heard this? Parkour. Yeah, exactly. Because after doing parkour, I was like, that's how you impress her. I'm amazed she asked you back for a second. Me too. After parkour. I'm very sorry. Parkour? You've got dodge UDs as well.

SPEAKER_05 0:15

Not that not that that was my prime. I just went, look, I bet I can climb that wall. I mean, that's just so bad. Don't do parkour on the first date if you can't back it up. But if you can back it up, crack on.

SPEAKER_03 0:38

Right, guys, welcome back. Here we are. We are super um excited about this one. It is an absolute uh banger. Jake is not running out, by the way, for Canterbury First 15 in this show.

SPEAKER_02 0:51

You're not you can't throw shade on everyone's chest.

SPEAKER_03 0:54

It's every time, sorry. Forgive me, forgive me, forgive me. I love a roguy shirt. I love it. Well, looks rogue is my passion outside of watches. Um and I love a roguy shirt, and you wear it well, sir. Um today, guys, we are talking. We're talking personalized watches and bespoke watches and um what was the word? Um not personal watches, what's the word? Um sentimental, that's it. Sentimental. So bespoke watches, engrave watches, sentimental watches. Probably one of the most divisive topics in all of watchmaking because we all know about the watch that we got married in, we all know about the watch took delivery of a child in, took whatever it may be, past your exam, you're you're 13 plus with, um, and then decided to sell or not to sell. And I know we've got some stories. I know we've got some stories.

SPEAKER_01 1:38

We might have two camps here, because I think me and you are on the uh less sentimental side of the fence, and then you two are probably on the more sentimental side of the fence.

SPEAKER_03 1:46

I know what that man's done. Uh-oh. I'm going into this. Oh, we're getting into it today, are we? So we're gonna do it we're gonna do that. That's the main bulk of the chat today. We're gonna do wrist checks before that. And then to to cap off the episode, we're we're going back to um uh uh uh a gifting uh what's it? But Jake, Jake's gonna be Christmas Sunday follow Christmas this.

SPEAKER_05 2:05

I'll be I'll be Santa.

SPEAKER_03 2:06

Yeah Santa this this time round. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 2:09

So you've picked out uh uh I'm not even backing my choices this early, but I think I think we'll have fun.

SPEAKER_03 2:16

Right, Jake, kick us off. What are you wearing? What are you going?

SPEAKER_05 2:18

Thanks. So I've got a Rolex submariner 1680 red on the wrist. Uh, which honestly I'm just chuffed with. Chuffed. I don't know. I'm regretting using the word chuffed, but um, yeah, immediate regret bringing that back. Um we'll keep it. Um yeah, so new, new, newish purchase to me. I um my plan now, I feel like the last couple of weeks has been some like newest newish purchases. I want to be done for a while. Like, I want the next few episodes, you're gonna see what I've got on is is kind of the known collection. Um, you actually said to me uh kind of this morning, you're like, it feels like you're back, which which is nice. Like I've mentioned a couple of times that you know I've consolidated down a little bit. Um, but I'm just really, really happy with Blue Doll Langer One, which I spoke about a couple of weeks ago. Red, 1686. So plus then obviously the rest, but they're the I'm happy.

SPEAKER_03 3:10

I don't know if you agree with this boys, but I I firmly believe Jake's back in the sense that like all of our collections, it goes on a journey. And there are a couple of key models that we so reference you with. And for me, that has been an absolute winner. But the Langer One there that we talked about in the previous episode just is you through and through. And I think the other thing is we we often don't wear watches for a long enough period of time. Now, the joy of having a watch, like keeping that on your wrist, which you had for weeks now, you're only gonna know it by spending some time with it. And I say that, and I'm gonna get slated for it because I do have some watches that come and go before those few weeks is up. But I think you need to do that, and that's where the true joy is found in a watch.

SPEAKER_05 3:45

Yeah, and and I've learned that there's kind of like there's something, there's something in buying something that you longed for for a long time. So, like, I've had a half little vintage Rolexes, but I've actually never owned a vintage Rolex Amaro. I've had a cup of truth Samaras, but I've always wanted a 1680 red, and it's like, you know, had taste changed had my taste changed a little bit? Did I want small watches? But to get one after, I don't know, eight, ten years of kind of always thinking about the watch, it feels so good to like have it on the wrist and be like, oh yes, like that's why you always wanted it. That's that that's what that looks like. So yeah, I'm I'm I'm really happy.

SPEAKER_03 4:21

And talk about a two-watch collection alongside the one cracky Moses.

SPEAKER_01 4:24

Sorry, and and I mean, I was gonna say you've wanted a submariner for a while. Yeah. Um, and I love submariners. I love 1680s, I've owned 5512, 5513, my Comics, my 1680, white. Um, and to have a red 1680, I think is super special as your first submariner. And again, the condition, I've I've I go on about condition for these vintage watches quite a lot, but it's the condition. And I guess when you look down at it and you see that lovely dial, the patina of it, you see the case. There's no poke of the spectrum because I'm I remember your 1675, yeah, and every time I'd see it, I could just see those spring bars pointing at the case. And you just got such a great example there with such a nice case, such a nice dial. It must feel really good looking down.

SPEAKER_05 5:15

There's there's like an endless checklist, isn't there, when when buying vintage Rolex. And and I I loved my uh my Pepsi. Um, but I spent a really long time trying to go like, right, long E with nice patina. Like you can have a correct watch, but that still doesn't look good. So you need to get both the aesthetics right, but also it needs to be correct in every way. And for me, it's kind of like the right age style with the hands that match perfectly, likely with an open nine date wheel, depending on what kind of way you are, but you know, with with the right date disc, with then the right bog bezel, the right bezel fade with the right style font onset bezel. And it was, I had all of that with a Pepsi, but the case was just a little too polished. Uh, whereas this is kind of this is just an amazing addition all around, and I I think it looks brilliant. We're gonna talk into like bespoke and stuff like that today. I've got one thing in mind for this watch, um, but it's reversible. And let me guess it's the insert. Well, don't spoil it for the podcast. I've spoken about it. We speak about it a lot. Um, so yeah, we're we're we're gonna talk about potential. What what could be done? But yeah, um, yeah, I'm buzzing. You're content. I'm very I'm very content. Yeah, we're we're we're done for a while.

SPEAKER_03 6:24

Maybe some gold, but yeah, I'm gonna throw it to you actually, because you've got something really sexy. Um, for the first time. You're looking sexy, but that's a sidewalk.

SPEAKER_02 6:33

Thank you. Um uh yeah, no, this is um this is a bit of an odd one, but it's been a watch that's been on my hit list for God, well, it's since it was released, which was ten years ago.

SPEAKER_03 6:45

Something like that. When did the movie come out? When did the movie come out? I don't know. Kingsman. Kingsman One.

SPEAKER_02 6:49

Yeah, Kingsman One. Anyway. 2016. It's um it's a brand that I don't typically buy, but this watch is special enough. I think it's probably the most special watch that they've produced for a while. It's called um it's called the Knife Watch. And it was created around the time of the Kingsman film. And uh what I like about it. Who's the maker? Oh, sorry. Oh god, did I not say that? Sorry, it's a JLC. It's a JLC knife watch. And it's based around a vintage pocket watch that they uh that they made. It's it's everything that I like in a watch. It's actually very reminiscent of the Ralph Lauren Slim classique when I think about it, because it's a watch that they've put so much time into creating the case just with two hands. It's ultra thin. It's a 40 millimeter case, which is on the big side for me, particularly as it's that flat. But I don't know if you can see, like sort of down the line, it's literally razor sharp on the case edge. And obviously, you've got that really cool sort of crown guardy type thing. I don't don't ask me how the spring bars work on the top there. I have no idea.

SPEAKER_05 8:02

It's the leather cut out. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:05

The knife.

SPEAKER_05 8:06

How do you actually wind it though, Tim?

SPEAKER_02 8:08

You get in there and you just gotta get in there. It's not the m it's not the first thing in ergonomics.

SPEAKER_01 8:13

And and so and you and Mark Zuckerberg are the only two that own this watch, basically. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 8:18

We've got to show the story there about when this was probably three years ago now. Um yeah when Tim messaged me, and whenever you get a message from Tim, like, you know, it's exciting. You know, I I speak for us all here, it's exciting. Uh especially if it's on a sub-most of the time he's demanding money. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 8:33

But it's just a link.

SPEAKER_03 8:34

It just says, here's the pay link. Here's the pay link. Um I remember you messaging me saying, just wait, just like I might have a few of these from the movie itself, the actual thing.

SPEAKER_02 8:43

I think it was something like 10 of them that were offered to Subdal as a bulk buy from from the film set, which I guess they they were sort of liquidating, or some I don't know what they were doing. Um and someone ended up with that, but I expressed interest and then it went quiet. So I don't know whether someone just said you're not allowed to do that or whatever. But at the time I was really excited because it was it'd been a watch that I've been interested in for such a long time. Never actually got hands-on with it. Um and then you look you put up your alerts for these things, and nothing really comes around ever. Is it a hundred of these that were made? Yeah. Uh it's got a little Kingsman logo on the back and one of a hundred.

SPEAKER_03 9:25

You know, we always talk about watches. When you put them on, it's gonna give you an experience. It's gonna make you feel something about yourself, about there is something, and I mean that movie wasn't an iconic movie, but it it was it made me feel it made me feel proud to be British in some ways because it had real institutions, it had style, it had elegance, it had sophistication. When you put it on, it does give you that sense of the main-oh, who's the actor, the main actor, walking down that pod. Colin Firth. Yeah, Manners Maketh a Man. And then the umbrella boom. That's right. And if we can get a clip in there, George, of that moment. And then it's like the suit, you know, from Huntsman or whatever. It's like it it's it's over an era that we just don't see these days.

SPEAKER_01 9:58

I'm gonna have to go back and watch this film. I watched it once, but I was probably on my phone half the time.

SPEAKER_03 10:02

So Manners Maketh a Man. Yeah, no, it's good. The first shoe's polished, uh, you know, and I remember Mr. Porter, interestingly. Mr. Porter were the ones that sort of launched this, I think, at the time they were selling online. That's what it was. And this they told some stories around it. And it the case is proprietary. I mean, that's not a case I've seen from.

SPEAKER_01 10:17

I can't believe the size of that case. I mean, the thinness.

SPEAKER_03 10:20

I've never seen it. The audacity of it. Look at the tear. There's a little tear going on in the case as well.

SPEAKER_01 10:25

Just beautiful, absolutely. And it is, it is just so thin. I can't believe that you feel it. And it's just like it's like feeling a razor. Gotta say, I don't like the access.

SPEAKER_03 10:34

I don't like the access of the colour. No, no, no, no. But that's a side note. That's a mind. It's beautiful, absolutely beautiful. Tell us a story about how UK's own it.

SPEAKER_01 10:42

Is there a history? Hold on, is there a history behind this? You said the pocket watch. What era? Do you know what era they that that was from?

SPEAKER_03 10:49

1910, I think. Was it 1910? I think it even might be because I had the Platinum Jubilee Ultra Thin. Yeah, there was one of those that that was that was made absolutely stunning and relatively good value. Um, and that was based on a pocket watch of a similar era, slightly different one for that. And I love that it's a two-hander as well. Yeah, me too.

SPEAKER_02 11:07

Who needs a second hand for Christ's sake?

SPEAKER_03 11:10

Tell us about how you got it too, because there was concern last week or the week before last that we you were out of pocket, which was scary for us all.

SPEAKER_02 11:16

Yeah, exactly. Uh so yeah, so I mean I I tend to do silly things to get watches because when when I've got it in my mind that it's available, I I sort of would do anything to get it. And uh so one came up on Chrono in Albania, of course. And um because it's never gonna be, you know, the guy that's around the corner in London, you can go and see it. And and it was uh a chap that didn't speak English in Albania. And the thing the the the thing about Alban the thing about Chrono 24 is that some a lot of countries are part of a trusted network where they can offer an escrow service, which gives you all the protection that you need as a buyer. So you buy a watch from Japan or whatever, you can transfer wire into an escrow. Chrono 24 holds the money and then pay it out when you say that you're happy with the watch. In Albania, that service is not an option. So uh so Who else is not? Do we know other countries that are not? It's it tends to be smaller countries, you know. I think I you back in back in the day, lots of countries were that way. It's called a direct transfer or direct something as opposed to a trusted checkout. And so you've got to watch out because you when you offer on these things, they're like, yeah, it's fine. And then it comes up saying, speak to the buyer, so speak to the seller and arrange, you know, payment or whatever, you're like, okay, this is a different, this is a different game. So anyway, I spoke to the chap via you know translation or whatever, and I said, look, the you know, the thing is, I'm a little bit worried um because we've not dealt with each other before, and you know, you what's to stop you from sending me a housebreak? And uh he was like, no, no, no, no, it's fine, it's fine. I mean, obviously.

SPEAKER_06 13:19

That'll earn.

SPEAKER_02 13:20

Yeah, it's gonna make sense about this guy. Uh yeah. So uh so anyway, I just I thought, how can I de-risk this? And I said, uh, can I pay by uh credit cards? And he was like, fine, um, we'll find a way of doing that. Um perhaps via PayPal. And we ended up doing that. He said that if there's any fees involved, you're you're paying for it. So I was like fine. Uh I really wanted this watch. I would say. Um if there were five of them, I'd go for the one that you know you could get from the UK or whatever. But anyway, I spoke to the chair and I was like, just let's do it. Um so I paid lots of money in PayPal, I paid lots of money in import, plus the ticket price, and he sent me a label saying, okay, it's gone. And I'm like, really? Has it gone? Uh, because I can't see a tracking link, I can't see anything. He's like, No, no, it's fine, it's fine. I was like, okay, and it was busy that week anyway. So um I checked in a few days later, and he'd sent me a check-in link on um a tracking link on Credit 24, and it said um that it arrived in the UK. And I was like, oh, that's amazing, that's amazing. Uh but the only thing was that it had been stuck there for three days, and that's not normally how DHL operate. So I gave them a call and they said, Oh, yeah, there's actually an issue with it. It was checked on from Albania, and it was supposed to, it was destined for the UK, but it didn't arrive in the shipment in the UK. So somehow it's been checked on, but then moved from the boat or the plane or whatever, and no one knows where it is. So we're opening an investigation. Uh, we've checked four out of five places that it might be, and it's come up blank. And so you'll just have to bear with us, and it was just getting into the weekend. Uh and maybe we'll get lucky on Monday when we've checked the fifth place. I was like, okay, that's that's great news. Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_00 15:28

At this point, I would be panicking.

SPEAKER_02 15:30

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:34

I'd be panicking when I sent the money.

SPEAKER_02 15:36

Yeah. But it's the double click on the first venue goes through.

SPEAKER_00 15:39

Boom.

SPEAKER_02 15:40

It's it's not my first radio, and I I have been through a lot worse. Uh I'll have to talk about it.

SPEAKER_03 15:44

At this point, did you write it off? Because you did write it off. In your mind, you had.

SPEAKER_02 15:48

Yeah, yeah. So when I'd spoken to DHL, I was I was planning how I'm going to reclaim the cash or whatever. Anyway, um a few days after that, uh, I had a message from uh from the person that sent it that said, the tracking links back up again. And he'd said he'd send this screenshot and it ended up in Leipzig. And I I I I think what had happened, it was put on the wrong plane, ended up, someone checked it in, and then the barcode you know triggered or whatever. And then they had to get it from Leipzig back to the UK and eventually to me. And um, so yeah, that's the story of this watch.

SPEAKER_03 16:29

It arrived and you were delighted by it.

SPEAKER_02 16:30

I am delighted by it. I am. I'm I'm I'm grateful. You know, I feel I feel a little bit mixed about it. It put me through a lot of stress. Um but now it's here, I'm I'm very happy. So yeah, we'll see how long it lasts. But it's it's one of those ones that I really wanted to take off. And I've done that.

SPEAKER_05 16:46

We might be going a bit too deep here, but obviously it's like a iconic film watch. Do they use it in the film? Yeah, I think they do. As a knife. Oh, I don't think so. And could you show us how they did it? No, no, no. Didn't slide any heads off with it.

SPEAKER_02 16:59

It's got a sharp case edge and it's got a pointy crown guard.

SPEAKER_03 17:03

From memory, I actually think it's its feature was quite limited. He walks into the room and then you've got the shoes polish, you've got the guns, you've got the bits and pieces, they all pop out rotating around. And I think the watch moment is quite short because Brimont. Yes, they did it, didn't they? Either that watch for that film or the second one. That might have been the first one. I think Bremont had the second one. I might be wrong. Yeah. But that's how it works, and it was quite limited. It wasn't like a Bond-style moment, unfortunately. I'm not buying it for the Kingsman Association.

SPEAKER_02 17:32

I'm not. I think the case is just fantastic. And again, it's another rare example where where a watchmaker has put effort into just a hundred pieces and we've not seen it again. And it's so special. It's special enough for Zuckerberg to have one. Uh so if it's good enough for him.

SPEAKER_03 17:52

I like the fact he was advised to go for like a Grouberforce handmade, Debatune, yeah, Jaune Tourbillon. And he's like, the advisor, whomever that was, said, Yeah, you know what? GLC knife, watch, that's also one you want to check.

SPEAKER_02 18:05

They never come up. There's a hundred of them. I mean, I think 15 of them were offloaded at the back of a lorry. Uh in Leipzig.

SPEAKER_03 18:14

Yeah. Leipzig. Silim, what are you wearing, my boy? You've got something really new and exciting. You've been completely influenced.

SPEAKER_01 18:20

I have, uh and you know, I'm not by me. Not by Tim, of course. No. So, I mean, this is the amazing thing about this, uh, about our segment last uh couple of uh two, three weeks ago now. Last one was two weeks, yeah. Yeah. Um with the with these little packages. Because, you know, I uh I said on the at the time Cartoon had always felt was a uh a high jewellery brand. And then Tim, you gave me the the Santre. I gave you the rundown of exactly why it's not just a jewellery brand. Uh for a few weeks. And it just it really opened my eyes. And I in the end, I think I decided the centre wasn't the one for me because I I felt like the size on a wrist like mine was maybe just that little bit too big. And then when I when I saw it on your wrist and Justin's wrist, actually, you know, a couple of weeks ago you put it on um next to me, and I it just looked incredible on your wrist. Um I thought, right, uh that's not the one for me. So I have been shopping around and looking for what I think would be a card J that I I I would bond with. And there's been a few that I thought this is great. I mean, a Grail for me would be a pebble, but they're just they're six figures and very rare, and I'm not I I can't afford it. You know, is the is the honest truth. I don't think it's worth uh you don't think it's worth six figures, no. Um so I was I was looking around and I I had a few different criteria. I want something shaped because to me that is a car jump that is you know something shaped, but I didn't want just a um a tank or uh or a tank normal because I I I wanted it like you always say, Justin, you you love a classic with a twist. And this this was one of the this is one of the ones that I uh I did look at. And this is really nice because and it's different because it's got an API. A white gold tank. A white gold tank Louie, and it's got the AP movement inside. Is this the one? Or no, so that's a different one. But there was one that was uh similar with an AP movement inside, which was a twist that I enjoyed, but not enough of a twist that I would look down at my wrist every day and think that's great, you know. So um I think another one that I really liked was uh the Chinois again. Um that was great. But then Tim, you told me to have a look at this, and I couldn't, I got I almost couldn't find anything about this online, and so this is a CPCP era um Santos, and it's a 1913 re-edition, which is Santos Dumont. Santos Dumont, which is incredibly rare. So they made a hundred of these, which is rarer than the pebble re-edition. Rarer than the pebble re-edition, and it's just got this very strange case shape, which is an exact replica of the first Santos Dumont. Yeah, um, they made a hundred of them, and there's almost nothing about it online. There's a few sales, there's one at the moment for sale with Mr. Watchley uh in Belgium. Um one sold on Looped It Looped This five years ago. Hundred and yellow. No, no, no, full stop. Just full stop. Because there are there is white and platinum as well, no? Or just yellow? I don't think so. No, nothing. Just these hundred that were made, and that's it. Um so I'm I'm the the jewelry's still out. I I haven't made a transaction yet, but but Tim managed to get his hands on one for me to have a look at, and I've been I've been playing with it, and I I think it might be the one. I think the K shape is great. I love the chamfer. It I I feel like it fits my wrist how a car J should fit a wrist. Um, the shape is different enough to give me a little twist. Um, I love the colour of. Gold. I really want to get it on a nice uh green strap, I think. A dark green strap, like your your Vasheron there. Yeah. Yellow and green is just so naughty. Yeah, and and and I just it it's it's really rare.

SPEAKER_02 22:13

It's really rare. It's really rare and it's gorgeous. And uh i I don't know if you were ever a fan of um George Kramer, uh the chap who um sadly passed away a few years ago. But I think when um the CPCP hype bubble was really growing, he was he was there. He's he's been a Cartier collector for years and decades, and and he wasn't hearing him. He he was really insightful, educational, and helpful and kind to lots of people. And his go-to watch was that. And I, because of that, I had wanted one for years and years, like trying to find one. They just don't come up. It was always that elusive reference. I love the fact that it's got breaking hands. I think it just finishes what is an otherwise amazing watch. Sometimes Cartier do that, that they create a great watch and they put this sort of sword hands on, and it's just missing something. But I think that's a complete watch, and I I really like it.

SPEAKER_03 23:16

I think we all agree. The one that you had from Tim was stunning. It had big for your wrist and your your your style. But that for me is perfection because it is that classic that you you recognise immediately, but without twist. Um I I I think it's a banger, honestly.

SPEAKER_01 23:30

Yeah. So I I want to actually hear what people think. Seeing it on my wrist, do you think this is one that should join the collection? What is your the wrist, your wrist size, just for information? 16 centimetres, six and a half inches. Um I used to do a lot of uh triathlon and things, so I was already. Yeah, I've always been uh 5k time. Actually, my 5k time is 1620. 1620 is my my my 5k PB. On Stravis, if you want to follow me. Yeah. It is quick. I was very quick. We're getting off your own.

SPEAKER_05 23:58

Two words of mock there, weren't you? Yeah, yeah. That's pretty good. No, no, I was.

SPEAKER_03 24:04

I'm quite quick. Yeah, yeah. Um Should I tell you what I've got on briefly? So it's interesting to see this roller, because this is one I've had now for some time. Thoroughly, thoroughly enjoying it. Side by side with um uh the where is that 3800? We did we did have one out earlier. Yeah, yeah, just at the end there. Yeah. It's just interesting to note that, you know, and I hadn't seen this actually side by side, but I've always been tempted by this reference. Um but seeing the difference, this is 36mm, that's 37 millimeter. 37.5, I think, actually, maybe, but just wears entirely differently. Bottom line is I am loving this owl moon phase. Uh it is just so wonderful. I mean, I I Tim, I remember we spoke about this, and you actually said, I don't think this is a real credit to you as the man you are and the position you hold as well. I I said to you, I said, I I'm I'm craving a reloke and I'm thinking that this size is about right. And I said, Is this reference going to be the one that's gonna give me that itch? Scratch that itch? And you said, I don't think it is. Do you think you're saying that? Yeah, but what I found, interestingly enough, is it absolutely has because of the details, like the subdars, the sunken subdars.

SPEAKER_02 25:09

It's a long way of saying that I'm I was wrong. No, no, and I mean it's credit to the manual. Credit to the manual.

SPEAKER_03 25:18

It's a kind sentence. It is kind, it is kind, it is. You're absolutely honest. You're honest to the end. And but it but it strangely has just been one of those screwdown crown, um, the moon phase, and the typography, like the logo there printed on the dial, the small scarabs, the small details that I just love in this thing. Look how thin it is. 1984 got the paperwork in 1984. So anyway, loving it, absolutely loving that. Um boys, should we move on to the the meat of this, which is sentimental watches? Um I think Jake, maybe I could start with you, because I'm gonna kind of throw you under the bus here a little bit and say that. I bet he's just he's sitting next to me. I don't know why I'm insulcing the man. But sentimental watches. What place do sentimental watches have in your life? What place do um bespoke watches or or sort of things that have been engraved or whatever it may be play in your life? Have you had any what have you done with them?

SPEAKER_05 26:11

I don't think you are throwing me under the bus. I I feel like I was the one who's had watches, the same watches for the longest period of time. Agreed.

SPEAKER_03 26:19

I agree with that.

SPEAKER_05 26:20

Um, I did sell we I know you you want to pull out a thread, which is one watch I sold, um, which I'm not gonna go there until you push me again. Um so like I I think I said this uh a few episodes ago, like for me, I've I've got uh a static collection, which is kind of like my sentimental collection, and then I've got like my collection collection, if that makes sense, which is partly experienced, but also just trying to refine and and make kind of find the stuff that that's mostly kind of feels like me. Um, some may argue, well, shouldn't shouldn't the static collection feel like you? But I think the reality is we're all kind of evolving and growing. So it's hard to buy something that you think you in 20 years' time, 30 years' time will still love because who knows what it'll all be like in that period of time. So I've actually put two watches on the table, which I I consider like core watches a part of my collection. So, yeah, that's my Rolex Explorer, um, which the funny thing is, that's actually not the watch I wanted when I when I bought that watch. Um do you got new? No, so it's it's 2002. I I've owned it 11 years. So I kind of as I think I mentioned like close to when I started my work, I really, really, really wanted a Pepsi. Um, and that was kind of like the goal for me. And and I was I remember I was offered a Coke um five-digit reference, 16, 7, 10, uh, for 3,200 pounds at the time. And that was just a stretch, a little stretch too far. Uh and um the guy had this said, I'll tell you what, I've got a full set Rolex Explorer, technically still stickers on the back and all the rest of it, and it was 2,250 pounds. I know, it was quite grubby now. So I've won the watch every day for however many years. Um brilliant. But yeah, it was it was 2,250 pounds, and I kept thinking, like, oh, is it a bit too small? Is it a bit too small? What does this look like? But the second I had it in my hand, I just loved it endlessly. Um I don't think I've told this on the podcast. I think we were talking to Chrissy about it the other day. But like, this watch is is beat up, it's well loved. And for me, it just like this is the watch that I think most of my family members, when they think of me and watches, they will think of this watch. Um, I I critically it was when we did a two-watch collection video, I wore it on the first date with um with my wife, with a lovely ex with a wonderful, wonderful show. With my lovely wife. Um, and uh this is when I decided to do some parkour to impress her. Have you heard this? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, exactly. Because obviously parkour is like that's how you impress me.

SPEAKER_03 28:55

She asked you back for a second, me too. After parkour. I'm very I'm sorry. How much did you pay for the dinner? You must have given a few drinks and then whipped out the parkour.

SPEAKER_04 29:03

It would have been it would have been you've got dodge these as well.

SPEAKER_05 29:05

Not that that was my prime, you know, Pizza Express probably back in the day as well. Um, and you know, I I ran up this big concrete wall. I wasn't I wasn't doing like parkour for like an hour. I just went, look, I bet I can climb that wall.

SPEAKER_02 29:18

I mean that's just so bad.

SPEAKER_03 29:20

Why would you try and climb a wall on a first day? Unfathomable. Who knows? Listen, how many points didn't we?

SPEAKER_05 29:28

I'd love to say. I'm definitely sober. You don't do parkour drunk. That's reckless. Um, and and anyway, I remember I climbed up this wall, I've grabbed it on the top, it's a big concrete wall, and I felt it on the clasp. And I was like, you've committed to impressing her now. So I just pulled myself up and I just scraped this watch, kind of like all the way down those, all these kind of like nice lines. But for me, it's like it's a memory, it's a memory of that time. Did you get it right?

SPEAKER_03 29:58

Did I did you do the move right?

unknown 29:59

Of course.

SPEAKER_03 30:01

You don't do parkour on the first day.

SPEAKER_05 30:07

Let me just give some dating advice. Don't do parkour on the first date if you can't back it up. But if you can back it up, crack on.

SPEAKER_03 30:13

Um did you tell her you were into watches out of interest? Because those first date conversations with talk of watches, that's also quite a device to project.

SPEAKER_05 30:20

It's like so not cool in many ways, isn't it? But it's really cool. Um, so so anyway, so this watch just I don't know, it's been with me, it's been through all those experiences. Um it it is never leaving. Like, I think I said that, like, there's nothing on this table I'd swap it for. It it feels like my watch, and and I think that's that's kind of key.

SPEAKER_03 30:42

Um have you personalised anything before? Have you engraved anything? Have you wanted to get something your own?

SPEAKER_05 30:47

I I love the idea of engraving this watch. But you'd have to take the case bag staker off. Oh, that's fine. That's fine. Um, but there's kind of like there's there's a bit of a rule, which I think is one of the things I want to get into, is you don't engrave like a pre-owned watch. Like, is it weird to buy me? Why wouldn't you? Well, it'd be weird. I think like so this is this watch from 2002.

unknown 31:11

Right.

SPEAKER_05 31:11

What what they say I want to put a date on it, what date would I put on it?

SPEAKER_01 31:15

You'd put the date that means whatever that that first date of the show is.

SPEAKER_05 31:19

But that's typically not what you would do with engraving. Like, as partly I can uh tell what the age of half these watches is because you never heard 1949.

SPEAKER_02 31:26

You're worried about the future of that watch then. Because if if it's a date that means something to you, it just feels from as long as you're happy.

SPEAKER_05 31:34

So what I'm but what I'm more interested in is like let's not put a date on it, let's just write something cool. But that feels more like a tattoo where like you want to get it and you want to make sure it stays something cool for the next however many years.

SPEAKER_03 31:50

It's only cool if it means something to you though, no?

SPEAKER_05 31:53

Yeah. Yeah. But like, uh can I talk about this? This is tell tell us what's on the back of this watch.

SPEAKER_03 31:59

Yeah, it's only what you've ever had engraved for anything. And I I don't have a tattoo. And I'm curious about people that do because I mean, for us, you know, our minds change all the time, and we're we're so quick to move things on, and like, you know, I think a tattoo. Do you have a tattoo?

SPEAKER_01 32:11

No, anti-fickle for it.

SPEAKER_03 32:12

Does it have a tattoo? George does. Yeah. Quite a few. We're seeing his chest right now. Do you have a little scroll at your back? Low back. Just a little butterfly. Do you have a wire here? I don't know how it sounds like. Um, I just I just worry about that a lot. You know, I just worry about commitment. I mean, my wife will have a chuckle at that one. But it's true. I mean, commitment journey, and Christ almighty, is there a bigger commitment than an engraved watch? So, yeah, this is engraved because this was a journey I went on. I don't think there are much bigger commitments than an engraving watch being the first that comes to mind.

SPEAKER_02 32:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 32:50

Go on. I mean, this is this is hand engraved, which I particularly love. But if you were kind enough to do that, you can tell the difference between the sort of sort of industrial stamp versus the and it just it was it was annoying to my dad. I mean, I do feel like, you know, my dad, it's um yeah, very special man. So it just says take it easy, kiddo, which is my, you know, that's that's the take it easy kiddo was what my dad always said to me leaving the house. You know, every time we left for cricket, every time I left for school, every time I left to go away, but like take it easy, kiddo. And I think for me, that that feels right.

SPEAKER_01 33:21

So, so I let me let me tell you something again. I don't think I've I've told you this before, but um poor Emma, she has to listen to you on the TV whenever you put a video out. And you put a video out with with uh with Pete talking about engravings. And actually, I looked across at the at the other sofa where she's normally pretending not to listen, and she was really, really listening to that. And it was Pete's um Pete's bit where he talked about the feather. Yeah, yeah, of her of his of her late father, I think had just, you know, and he'd had that engraved. And I think that really resonated with her. I think uh Emma's very um is very sentimental. Um I I'm not, but it I I think that really, really resonated with her. And I think from there she actually started thinking about engraving things. And when I bought her a watch for when um when she gave birth to our twins, I think she was very, very keen on having the case back engraved of that. And I think that it all stemmed from that video that you that you had put out with with Pete. And I think that kind of personal uh those personal stories and things do resonate with people. And and it's the same when you were talking about this um this PJ and your journey to get that and how you're gonna personalize the dial and the the meaning behind the stuff.

SPEAKER_03 34:37

So it's definitely more interesting to me anyway. Picking up a watch is one thing, you know, with so many watches out there, but picking up a watch that then has something additional to it that makes you think a little bit more about that owner, about that journey of the watch, that just adds so much value to me. So I I'm I'm very firmly in the camp of engraving is a cool thing. It's a cool thing and it adds it adds a story to a watch for me.

SPEAKER_05 34:57

I like just specifically for me. So I like the idea of things doing that. Having something on the back of this, I just I don't know what I would write currently that I'd want to commit to for the next give myself six years.

SPEAKER_03 35:09

A child's name or something like that, with a date of birth. A date of that date, I think would be pretty cool. That first date. Because it is what it is what you think about and and you're drawn to, I think, with that watch.

SPEAKER_06 35:18

Yeah, that's fair.

SPEAKER_03 35:20

And so, yeah, so that's the one watch that out of everything, right, is not gonna move.

SPEAKER_05 35:25

Yeah, and this the speedy's like a close second. Is that the wedding watch? That's the wedding watch. So and I critically, that's my This is the speedy choose too. Speedy Chews T. That's also my wife's favourite watch.

SPEAKER_02 35:38

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 35:38

So, like, we we recently went down to Devon, which is like great, good quality family time. So I made sure I wore that because I know that she likes to see me.

SPEAKER_02 35:46

You love keeping manky case packs taking on, don't you? You could probably clone yourself with the amount of DNA in there.

SPEAKER_01 35:53

God, yeah, that is I think it's the me.

SPEAKER_05 35:57

Right.

SPEAKER_01 35:59

So yeah, I'll tell you what I love seeing seeing here is number 620 out of 2012. A lot or a lot of them, isn't there?

SPEAKER_05 36:07

These uh I think I think you'll find it comes back to demand. So yeah, there's only a hundred of that, you know, cardio, because only 60 people want them. Um actually, that was the fastest selling Amiga in history when that came out.

SPEAKER_01 36:21

It's amazing. Uh you know me, and you know I'm a huge fan of Speedmasters, not like these two.

SPEAKER_05 36:25

But uh yeah, I actually so I bought I bought that when it came out. So there's they released it online and they just dropped it, like Speedy Tuesday watch coming out, and I I just I was I was supposed to be working, I was, I was at my desk, and this thing just dropped, and you didn't have to pay for it, you just had to like get yours. And I remember being like, whoa, this thing's just come out, let's just get it. And you could pick what number you wanted. So I initially was like, oh, I'll go for my birthday. It was like that number's now gone. I was like, I'll go for number 10. It was like that number's now gone. I was like, I'll go for the year I was born, that number's now gone. And I did like a load, and I was like, Oh, I see what's happening here. You just click, give me a random number. And and then Yeah, that's the number I got. So um, yeah, I've had that 2017, I think it came out. So nine years now. Um the thing, all right. Tell me what you think about this. So the the back is quite full. Um I actually shouldn't have DNA. It says radio around this.

SPEAKER_01 37:20

Do you have the story behind this watch?

SPEAKER_05 37:22

Yes. So uh as tribute to the Alaska project, so they made a speed master for a specific Alaska project, and they needed legibility, I believe, to be higher. So the subdials are radial subdials. So the difference where you do know how they discovered it. Oh, you were asking me, you weren't telling me. Go on, keep going.

SPEAKER_01 37:41

So so you know, you know RJ from Fratello. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 37:44

You know, he's a huge speedmaster guy.

SPEAKER_01 37:46

He made the watch. Yeah, absolutely. So he got a call from an astronaut, uh, a phone call from an astronaut or an email from an astronaut saying, hey, um, I was an astronaut on this NASA project, etc. I have this Speedmaster. Um uh would you mind just taking a look at it? And he sent him either a photo or a video of it. And RJ had looked at it and it was just like, what on earth? Is that I've never seen that before. What is that dial? Why is there numbers around the outside? The radial numbers around the outside. And he just, I think he uh RJ, if you're watching, just get in the comments and tell us if this is if this is true or not. But I think he then went to see him, the astronaut, and he found the actual original radial dial. And that's how they discovered these dials that were made. And this was a tribute to that, which RJ.

SPEAKER_05 38:29

It was an Alaska project is kind of what I've been referred to. So um, yeah, look the watch actually, like I know you guys you like it.

SPEAKER_03 38:37

I'm now looking at it, I'm I'm enjoying those radial. So I and they're fully they're they're fucking liar. I'm liking those touches. I'm gonna keep it emotionally. I've never connected with Speedmaster.

SPEAKER_05 38:48

It's they're fully looned uh subtitles as well. So there's a bit of them and they're quite cool. Um and it's a brushed case instead of a polished case, which you wouldn't normally get in a professional as well. Um so it's Tim, would you like to have another look?

SPEAKER_03 39:03

No. No, it just it's reminded me of the. Well, we wanted to surprise you with your watch for the next two weeks, is gonna be dare.

SPEAKER_02 39:11

It reminded me of that meme. I mean, you see the one where uh I'll send it to George, where it's like, hey, I've got some of the shape in bed. It's got his loom watch and his watch, and it's very funny.

SPEAKER_05 39:24

That that reminds me of if the barcore doesn't work, try loom. Yeah, um so so hear me out. This is what I've considered doing with this watch is buying a new case back and buying a sapphire case back. Because I think the speed master movements are quite nice. I like the sapphire sandwiches, but then engraving something around the outside, um, which is to do with um our wedding day, because it's the day the watch I wore on our wedding day. Um, but then it's uh I don't not about being reversible, but like for whatever reason, you know, I've become homeless. You could just put the original case back on and send it to subdial. So yeah, I've flirted with doing that, like buying another case back, it's not that expensive. Christian, I need a brush to case back, which can be done. And then engraving probably the wedding day and kind of our initials, maybe. So I've I've thought about doing that, but yeah, they're they're probably two are most sensible.

SPEAKER_03 40:16

Before we move on to Tim. I'm over. So Tim, would you consider a bespoke watch? Would you ever have you ever considered a bespoke watch having a watch made for you from someone in a dream world one day? I I actually haven't considered it.

SPEAKER_05 40:30

I know what I would do if I had the means and what people like that they were willing to work with me. Um but I've I've never I've never had that. Can I say what I actually would like? I don't know if you want to share this. I want to I want us to make a limited edition watch. That that that to me would bring me loads of joy. Um so who would who would it be with?

SPEAKER_01 40:52

Who who's your dream brand? I mean realistic.

SPEAKER_05 40:58

I think we could get a Cartier. Like I think we've got them out with some connections over there. Um Cartier Community. There's a lot of free band leader. Cartier community. I know, we could get four made or we get, you know.

SPEAKER_03 41:12

One for me. Well, the five made. The Singapore Watch Club one. I mean, that that series they did was pretty amazing to see the cartier do that. They're clamping down on the Louis Funners now, and Tudor do a lot of Tudor do a lot of.

SPEAKER_05 41:22

I was about to say, and uh that's the one I feel torn about because I reckon we could maybe get a Black Bay 54, which is actually just a watch out just a weird.

SPEAKER_03 41:30

After last episode, talking about how we felt they failed at Watches Wonders. I think I said they have a resounding success.

SPEAKER_05 41:35

I love the fact that I love the fact she bought our blue dial instead of a black dial. It's very clever. Um getting a little something on that would be good. Rolex never happened. Um, yeah, I don't know. I really we should speak to Langer and say, come on. That would not happen.

SPEAKER_03 41:51

Make us um I I don't know why I'm mentioning them twice in two seconds, but Single Portsclub did that amazing thing with Vachon where they took those chronographs, those historic chronographs, as a group and then had them customised. Well, and it was very, very subtle. Very subtle. It was engraving on the balance cock, and then the the the chronograph hand was given a touch of red from memory, but there was like 20 of them. And then it was changed in the archive. So in Vachron it was actually updated. That's cool. So for me, I would almost say, could we buy some cartiers?

SPEAKER_02 42:21

Yeah, some centre, like all of the 19, 13 centres do all. Yeah. If you've got one of these, send it our way.

SPEAKER_05 42:31

So we yeah, and then like do we want to get to like dream dream watching? Yeah, like a dream, just a dream of a comment. I think like sure I feel like everyone wants a Patek piece unique. Like the idea of having Patek make your watch would be kind of really, really interesting. They have they continued to make the 3970 in piece unique, verificate like ways years after the run of 3970. And same with the 3940.

SPEAKER_01 42:57

And 5004.

SPEAKER_05 42:58

And 5004, which I'm pretty sure it'd still get one if you went and asked it nicely.

SPEAKER_02 43:03

There it hasn't I I do not think it's easy. No, yeah, sorry.

SPEAKER_05 43:07

You could have been like, I don't mean like a nicely worded email. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 43:12

So Lima just turned away at the door at first like it wasn't ordered. He's not getting a 5004 names for it at this point, isn't it?

SPEAKER_05 43:19

I'm saying you buy you just buy the entire catalogue. Right. And you do that for the next 20 years. Yeah. And then go on. There does not exist a platinum or white gold 3970 with a blue dial. Oh my god. This is so sorry, you've absolutely stolen. I'm so sorry. But but well, why didn't you have like a bregay dial and I'll go for more like a stick dial or whatever else? But that that to me would just be like, cool, we're doing things. I I've got one more as well. If you can indulge me in that, then I'll then I'll show you. Um we know that Jean can make different watches. We know that Have 36mm cases from their archive. I would always call it Divide, but you call it the Divin.

SPEAKER_03 44:05

There's nowhere in hell he's going back to 30. 36 millimeter. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 44:10

Yeah, I'd listen. We're dreaming. We're dreaming.

SPEAKER_03 44:13

We're dreaming. We're dreaming.

SPEAKER_05 44:14

Right, dream old. I'll buy Jaun, the brand. Yep. And then I'll start making myself a nice offer. So I love the automatic. I love the Okta balloon. I love a resonance. I guess you can't do a 36 mil resonance. But basically, I want that. Was it 36 or 38? Was that 38? 38. Yeah. But that's the name we've got written here. I loved the blue dial that he made with that gold A for the armory. Yeah. So I mean, I don't want a gold A for the armory. Um I mean, I'll take one of the watches, but from for my bespoke, I'm not that close to the armory. Um, so I would love to basically do that, but in the 36mm case in platinum, that that would bring me a lot of joy. A lot of joy. Throwing it to you, Timboy.

SPEAKER_03 44:58

Um, have you ever, would you ever engrave, would you ever commission a bespoke watch? Have you sold? I know you have. Yeah, I've sold.

SPEAKER_02 45:06

I've got a hot take, I suppose, on this whole thing is that um I don't know. I love watches for me, but there are there are levels to this. And I've never I've never really felt all that comfortable enough to have something that I know I would immediately devalue. I've never really felt like, you know, I've absolutely made it and I can afford to sink a hundred grand on, you know, on a custom something or uh, you know, even uh a piece unique commissioning. Because, you know, I I guess I sometimes feel a little bit too lucky to be in the position that I'm in, and I don't want to take that for granted. And the day would come when, like, whenever I have a nice car on my drive, a new car delivered, whatever, there always inevitably there comes a big bill that I was unexpected, you know, it was unexpected. And I'm like, God, that's that's what you get, Tim, for being cocky and sinking a load of money into a luxury asset again. I I do genuinely feel that. And I think I'm I'm not, and maybe never will be in a position where I've got enough money that I would never worry about needing to liquidate it on a really rainy day, you know. And yeah, you know, I don't want any little violins playing or anything like that. There are none. There are none. But it's just, you know, I could see a circumstance happening where you're like, I just need to free up everything I've got. I don't I don't want to talk about the D-word divorce. Uh but do you know what I mean? Stuff like that. Or, you know, you find your dream house and you're a hundred grand short.

SPEAKER_03 47:03

Did someone, am I correct in saying someone did come up to you at the show uh Watchers Wonders a few weeks back and say, has someone actually got divorced? One of the married men. Yeah, yeah. Someone was genuinely concerned it was now three married men, which we always laughed about.

SPEAKER_01 47:15

Yeah, Steph, Steph from Falco, he came up to me and he was like, uh I love the show, blah, blah, blah, but I've heard that's gonna be three married men soon. And I was like, no, no, no, it's not. Don't worry.

SPEAKER_03 47:24

I think it's because I've said before I've come very close. Um and and the dear lady, if she were here, would would absolutely agree with that. But um, no, it's currently four, still four. There you go. But then again, currently. Currently, currently four. My more it's four, it's four, it's four, it's four.

SPEAKER_02 47:39

Um yeah. So so that's my point. I've always got one eye on what happens if, and I'd rather have I mean to a degree, it's not like I'm having all of my money in Rolexes, which is the most liquid, you know. I I'm just pretty sensible with what I buy.

SPEAKER_05 47:55

Do you not do you not have like one or two though, which is like uh not let's say you just gave me an album, you know, 100 grand of a house, but do you not just have like a thousand pound watch or which is like actually this will stay? Because No. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 48:11

I'll find I'll find that because.

SPEAKER_03 48:12

Did you ever watch Get Married?

SPEAKER_02 48:14

Yeah, yeah, my wife bought me a Rolex. What was it? It was a GMT. Where is that now? That I mean I I just I became a different collector. I don't, I don't, I don't like them anymore. And so this I like and I'm gonna be able to do that. Did she agree to her?

SPEAKER_03 48:32

I don't actually get that, by the way. Like just keeping something for the sake of it. I mean, we might come to that in a minute of keeping something for the sake of it. I I talked to Did you tell her? I talked to her.

SPEAKER_02 48:41

No, I didn't tell her. Of course I told her. She was I wasn't wearing it. But I I said to her, look, uh maybe I should just keep this and hand it down to hopefully at that point we were gonna have a son or a daughter one day and and I'd be able to, you know, hand it down. And and my wife said um they would just rather more of your time. They don't care about you know inanimate objects, um, whether you know you wore it every day or not. They just they would want more time with you. So just forget about that. Do what you enjoy. And uh and so yeah, I sold it and then I bought another watch that was gonna keep forever. Uh and then I just then it was a snowball.

SPEAKER_05 49:18

The the thing that I always think about with you, Tim, is I remember when you were turning 40. I remember the year running up to you turning 40 because we had to find the watch for Tim's 40th birthday. Obviously, that was obviously six months ago, of course. We all know that, Tim. Uh, but we spent a really long time like we have to find the watch for Tim's 40th birthday. We went back and forth. Was it an 1815 chrono? Was it like 3970?

SPEAKER_01 49:42

Was it with you in conjunction with you, or was it you? No, no, no, it's not. We were in a watch, how great from one.

SPEAKER_05 49:48

Tim's just going, like, I'm gonna buy a watch my 40th. And it's like, you know, it's my 40th watch. And that felt like that when like we started it, the day turned 39. And then, like, he got it, he got his 40th watch, and I felt it was like three weeks later he was like, right, what's next? Move that on. And I was like, mate, we've just put a year's worth of energy into finding you the perfect wall. I apologize for that.

SPEAKER_03 50:09

That's just the way my brain goes, isn't it? Isn't it? Isn't it that there's a part of this that feels like you just know yourself really well? Like, you know, it's not like a negative or positive thing, it's just you know the way you are emotionally towards these things. Yeah, you've put them in their place, which we talk about so much. People might think, oh god, you guys are just talking about buying the next water, but they do get put in their place, which is it's not the be all and end all of anything. And actually, for you, the journey of that acquisition, like the knife, for example, has been really rewarding and scary as fuck. Yeah. Um and actually, you don't need a watch. Like when the kids were born, were you wearing a watch?

SPEAKER_02 50:45

Yes, I don't know what it was.

SPEAKER_03 50:46

Is it a photo not topless? Topless photo of you jacked up to the the higher. Oh no, I didn't. I was wearing a Hulk.

SPEAKER_02 50:55

It's funny because these I think I part of me was being stupid and and trying to think of um God, uh something flashy for it's just ridiculous.

SPEAKER_03 51:07

Is it for the parents? Are they teachers at school again? No, it's not. Because you're gonna be pulling up in the white line. Oh, I should have thought about that. With the RM on. Yeah, no, it wasn't.

SPEAKER_05 51:16

A part of me is wondering, maybe Tim needs something really bespoke or overtly him, or overtly personal, so that he has to keep it.

SPEAKER_01 51:26

I think what I'm hearing is to see that though. Like I think what I'm hearing from Tim though is I think it's anyway, it's going to happen. That's what I'm trying to say. I think what I'm hearing from Tim is that he's evolving as a person, right? And the person who is wearing C dwellers and GMTs and Hulks is no longer the same person that he is now. And even if he had got that engraved or bespoke or whatever, it's it's not gonna change that actually Tim has changed over the years and become someone completely different who actually has evolved not just as a collector, but maybe as a person who doesn't feel the need to show off the Hulk on Instagram or or whatever it is.

SPEAKER_02 52:00

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 52:01

And actually, you know, yes, it's great now having the cartiers or the small piagets, etc. But in five years' time, there might be a different Tim who actually loves Daniel Roth or I like the autumn. Yeah, you like the you like Hulk Tim, don't you? Yeah, but I but I think just what's on that. I think I think it's I think it's good to be able to recognise that there is evolution along the way. Yeah, yeah. Um and I think it's what we were talking about, um uh what what you were saying, kind of about watches that you keep, but maybe you don't wear, and I I have one of those. Um but yeah, I think it's at least you can recognise that actually I'm not that person anymore, and I don't need to waste my energy on trying to force myself to wear this just because I it has a you know uh it was in a picture that happened and you know what's what's the point?

SPEAKER_03 52:55

I think thank you for that, Sleeper. You've given me this time before. I love that case on this old restaurant. Yeah, yeah. Maybe what, 60s, 50s? Well, if you look at the bag, and then suddenly I saw that and it says engraved it 20 years after.

SPEAKER_02 53:09

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 53:10

To J.E. Tedford from Sears, Union City, January 1957. So to me, that immediately makes that watch far, far more interesting.

SPEAKER_07 53:19

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 53:20

You wonder about who the who the person is. And I I love engravings like comex uh and and things like this and kan jars because I immediately think, what has what a life this watch has lived that I don't live. And that's what I've told people as um really draws me to like come exes and things like that because it just it immediately makes me think of adventure and draws me to that.

SPEAKER_03 53:43

There are stories out there that just go for engraved watches like that and try and track them back to the family or whatever. Maybe I think Cole Pennington actually actually didn't know.

SPEAKER_05 53:59

I think for me, there's an argument to say you should be evolving with the watch. So, like, if you just like a one-watch person, you know, they were they did, they might have been really lucky. Had it at university, you know. Young Bucker played loads of sports on it, I did parkour on it and wrecked that. Then it carried me through to my wedding day. Then it then I was wearing it as I was raising my kids, and then I got stuck behind a desk for how many years, and that was a dull part of his life. And like having that watch go on that journey. I wish we could. I wish I could be to that. I think all these watches that you're talking about have those stories because someone did those things. Like all the new watches that are on the table. We're like, that's on us to create those stories and memories with those watches, arguably.

SPEAKER_03 54:46

I I literally had a family friend in lockdown. I lived with my friend's dad, who was uh the youngest judge in Kenya when he was like 24 years old. He had this um what was it, a shark, a shark hunter, umxer, shark hunter. Yeah. And there's photos of him in Kenya with the old Range Rovers, with the N court diving, swimming, family, family, moving countries. And that one watch was in the whole, he had the diving logs of his dives that he took the watch on. I think we all aspire to that, but I just know us, and I'm just I'm sure there's so many others out there that it's just an impossibility. But we love that old guy who's retired, sitting with his coffee in southern Italy, and he's just tanned up to the girls, he's got this linen shirt on, and he's had that one.

SPEAKER_01 55:25

I met one in I met one in Dubai when I was uh when I was there, and it was the only person I went to speak to about his watch. Yeah, there was there was amazing watches everywhere, amazing watches everywhere, but I just didn't know. Is that just a rich guy who was it? So I went, he was wearing 1680 white, beat up uh an old submariner, and he was there at breakfast, and I went up to him and I was like, I love your watch. Um I've got a I had my five out of one four on, and I said, I've got I've got a similar one. And he goes, I bought this in 1978, and I've never taken it off. And it was beat up, and the crystal was scratched and everything, and he that's just his watch. He put it in this bang, that's my watch, and it was amazing to see that and to speak to him. And he he loved it. He goes, Do you know how much this is worth now? And I was like, Yeah, but it's it's brilliant, it's brilliant. He goes, I paid 300 pounds for it in 1978, and it was it was really nice to actually speak to him about it, and it was that kind of connection that I saw him and he loved it. He he loved it, you know, just being able to have that those questions.

SPEAKER_05 56:27

Do we think there's is that gonna exist in 50 years' time though? Are we all like, you know, if someone buys a submariner today? Yeah, definitely. Or if there's a too much dopamine hits, there's no, I I I I think it does exist.

SPEAKER_01 56:39

I think we have to remember we are we are a minority where we, you know, where where we buy watches and we sell them and we are into the hobby so much, you know. For example, Emma, she has one watch at the moment and she wears it and she loves it, and that's her one watch, and she's I don't need another watch.

SPEAKER_03 56:57

I'll be that way inclined in that way wide. Can I go tell you guys a very brief story? I was buying a Mr. Whippy two weeks ago, Sunday afternoon, for some of the kids. I was buying, I was buying a Mr. Whippy and I was buying a few of them for all the kids uh that I knew um that were with me. Anyway, this lovely lady, Italian lady, starts making the Mr. Whippie. She goes in, she grabs the thing, pulls down the Mr. Whippie. She's got a beautiful old 90s RWC Aqua Timer, GST Aqua Timer. And I said, Wow, that is stunning. She's like, Yeah, this was my late husband's watch. Uh he started this, he started this Mr. Whippie van. And then the two kids were there helping. And I was like, God, that really hit me. It almost, you know, it sent me back. And and it was beaten up. And she said, Yeah, do you like it? I was like, Yeah, it was amazing. And um, she was like, This is the only memory we've got, like physical memory of him, apart from the the van, the ice cream van.

SPEAKER_05 57:44

And it just so that that that's what my wife knows. So, like, something happens to me today. She knows you gotta pick up the phone to Tim. And I think you've also agreed the same with Emma. Like, we call Tim and she can liquidate, but the explorer stays. Like, the explorer stays somewhere in the family. Like, you don't have to wear it, explorer stays, but then you can call Tim and you can, he'll just you stuff load all your rubbish, all my rubbish to him.

SPEAKER_03 58:10

So are you but where are you on this? Have you got sentimental watches that you're not gonna sell?

SPEAKER_01 58:14

Yeah, I do. Um so I think this there's a couple of topics here. I think engravings is one, I think sentimental watches is another one, and then I think bespoke is our is our third bucket that we're that we're thinking about. So to start with uh sentimental watches, um when I got married, uh when I got when we got engaged, actually, Emma bought me a watch, um, an Explorer, uh in 39 millimeters, actually, because that's what they made at the time. And I loved it. I loved it. I wore it all the time. I mean, there's there's like a period of about three years where that's all I have on wrist. It's just that extreme.

SPEAKER_03 58:53

Amazing.

SPEAKER_01 58:53

Amazing pick. I think, I think she'd seen me. I was watching a lot of um uh Adrian Barker's videos on Bark and Jack. Uh, I think probably got like quite a lot of people at the at that time, 2019-ish, you know, were getting into Adrian Barker's YouTube was just you, you know, uh watch YouTube was just starting to to get big. And um she had seen me and she, I think she'd taken notes of the explorer and things, and then went uh went out and bought the explorer. And you know, I yep, she presented it to me, amazing, got married in that watch. But I think like you, I it's it's a bit too big for me. I I I have a slim wrist and a 36mm explorer, I think maybe I would wear now. And and to be fair to Emma, to her credit, she has said, well, why don't you sell it and just get one smaller? But it just to me, it wouldn't be the same watch. Um, so I haven't done that, and I I I don't I don't I don't really feel like I I need to. I think I wear it every so often. Um, but I do like the idea of um our wedding photos of me wearing that watch and maybe one day one of my boys seeing seeing the photo and thinking, oh, that's that watch that was in that photo. I'm gonna take it and I'm gonna put it on, and you know, hopefully they'll have they'll have wrists like yours, not like mine. Um and and they'll be able to and they'll be able to wear it, uh wear it nicely. So that's you've still got that one. I've still got that. I still got that. It won't be going, it won't be going anywhere.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:17

That's how I feel about the speedy. Yeah. And I do get the complex of like not wearing it as much, but you knowing that you can create that memory of Yeah. I don't mind. I don't mind it's like. Dad's got married in this, it's X Matt years later.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:29

We talked about levels as well. I think Tim mentioned levels, and I think they fit into a level which is is a stretch, but it's not gonna put you into an absolute hole that you haven't.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:39

We're not talking about uh 2499 here, right? This is not 2499 money that I'm sitting there looking at it thinking, oh my god, there's hundreds of thousands of pounds sat there not being worn. You know, this is they're probably worth five grand now, these 39 mil explorers. If that. If that, right? So I mean what yeah sorry, as a necessary. No, it's not. It's it's a long hand for long hand.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:05

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:07

Just to make him feel like he's got a so I don't, you know, I I don't I don't I don't feel the need to get rid. Um engravings, I would actually I actually like the idea of engravings and I would engrave, um, but again, only watches that I think would stay in the collection, which is where where it's difficult. Where it's difficult. So I I do have a few watches that do stay, and they tend to be vintage Rolex, um, the Explorer, etc. And when it comes to vintage Rolex, I don't see a need to engrave it because I just don't have that sentimental thing to put on it. Um and with regards to the Explorer, I I probably will get it engraved. Yeah. I think it's a good idea. I think I will get it engraved. Maybe I'll get it engraved with the date of our wedding or you know, something like that. You've got twins. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:55

So there needs to be another, doesn't there? One's gonna go on. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:01

Maybe it'll be the 1680 that I was wearing when they were born. That might be that might be one of the um um what one of the ones that goes on.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:08

You're gonna have a favourite, then aren't you?

SPEAKER_05 1:02:12

Who knows, like who knows what people even care about at that point? Yeah. Well, they'll have AI holograms.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:20

I do think we are entirely biased because we all have an interest in this being the case, but this is the sort of thing that's gonna go well in the next decade or two because I say this, just this idea of great pieces of design, great mechanical pieces of work, because it is gonna become further and further of a in in the distance of what I think was large alike.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:39

I think bespoke is a really interesting subject. And I I think one of the reasons we we thought about this topic is because I had a really impactful um half an hour really with uh in Geneva with uh the CEO of Anderson Genève, um, Pierre Alex. Uh Ashelman is. Um and we we were we were talking for about half an hour about uh his um world timers. And then he at the end of it he said, Listen, you you really like these world timers, don't you? And I said, Oh yeah, they're they're really beautiful. The enamel work is great. Uh the ring around it. He showed me a few different uh of the celestial voyages of the uh different cities, places like Cappadocia, New York, places like this. And I thought they were really nice. And I said to him, Would you do a piece unique for me? And he he looked at me and he goes, if I like it, if I like it. And I was like, Okay, okay. Um, and then you you put us in touch on WhatsApp, and I so I WhatsApp to him and I said, Hey, what about that piece unique? What do you think? And uh he goes, What do you want it of? And so I was born in Jordan and I sent him a beautiful picture of Petra, which is one of the uh seven wonders of the world, the you know the ancient city of Petra, and he loved it, he absolutely loved it. And he said I said to him, What about Petra on the dial with um Petra in the city ring instead of you know the Middle East, Dubai or something? And then uh instead of London, uh Norfolk for Emma's place of birth. So you'd have you know Petra in the in in enamel on the dial, petra in the city ring, and then Norfolk instead of London. And that, you know, that just kind of brings it all together. And I thought I I thought that was a great, and maybe in the 24-hour, you know, I've got twins both born obviously on the same day, you know, number 15 in red or something for the 15th of the month for when they were born, and that kind of just ties everything together in a bespoke way, which I thought would be a really enduring way of having that. Um, because one thing that I do really believe is that if you are gonna go bespoke, and I'm looking at this Bamford here, um, which is a milgow, uh date just actually. So this is a date just which has been um modified by George Bamford. But uh what I don't like about this is that it was done without Rolex's approval. So what I love is when I see brands do bespoke things, for example, the Vacheron for Singapore Watch Club or the Cartier's for Singapore Watch Club in partnership with the brand. And I think that is amazing. So I would love to be able to do that with the brand, with you know, Sven Anderson and Alex, um, and be able to do that. Uh and this is, you know, this uh RWC Hadinki is the same, it's it's a bespoke personalized watch that they have created with RWC, and so that's what I like. And I don't love the aftermarket kind of um and I did consider it with an Artist under Genève with the Explorer, and I thought, how am I going to start wearing this watch now? Maybe I'll go to Artist de Genève. And they came up with a brilliant rendering, and it was uh they they they created the smoked dial of the Explorer, keeping the three, six, and nine, and then uh skeletonized it, etc. Um, but they wanted 40,000 pounds for that. Uh and I just thought that's a bit a bit much for for a watch to just to put it in context for people out there who might not know, the Anderson Genelle's gonna be about that sort of number as well. I think I think around 50,000 in platinum. Uh for you know GBP or CHF. So it's 59 uh CHF. Yeah. And you know, this is not this is not something that I've I've signed off on. No, no, no, this is something I'm still trying to think about because it's an awful lot of money just to, like you say, put into a watch that you could never get back out again. Because this is a, you know, so this is something that I would have to do.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:29

Because engravings can be, technically. For example, if you guys had a watch that came in. Laser world is. Yeah, you could you could sort that out.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:36

Of course, when you're talking about something like this, there is that sense that This is this would be£50,000 that you would that is pretty much being flushed down the drain. Um so you know, it would have to be something that would liquidate.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:48

It's not quite the case. It's not quite the case. But you'd have to find a buyer who doesn't mind door touches.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:55

It does sound like the one that you're gonna produce is gonna be beautiful. Like it's not like if I had one done, it would be a picture of redding. You know what I mean? Uh Bedford. Badasica Stadium. Something like that. You know, I don't think that would have much of a reasonable.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:15

Uh done recently. And his vibrancy of his enamel work, the enamel work that they have, the the artisan that does it for him, just has this incredible 3D. I mean, I honestly look at them. I'm entirely biased as well, by the way, but I look at them and I think this is more charming than a lot of the Pateks that I've seen with with enamel dollars. I may get some pushback on that, but I really believe it's it's it's it's yeah, it's top-notch stuff.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:38

So so I mean, this is you know, for for for the view, this is definitely not a done deal. I I don't currently have£50,000 uh just to throw down the you know, down the drain on this watch. I would have to consolidate a lot of watches into this one watch uh to you know to to do it. Because I don't want people to get the wrong impression that this is just you know we're going out.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:56

But we're in Dreamland here a little bit as well. Like commission watches like something for you I've um I had never considered. You know, I personally had never thought was was even feasible until the opportunity sort of presented itself with this journey for this this watch. And the only watch I've ever had engraved is this one. Um but the funny thing is, I I sort of felt like there was a sense of a bit of guilt as well to me. Like a little bit like you you touched on, like that sense of this is a lot, you know, am I worthy in any shape or form for something that's made for you? In this instance, we're talking about a stone that I got to choose. You could have had lots of different stones. Um but funny enough, my sister, and actually I should say the first watch that I ever got was a constellation, an Omega constellation, a Jenta designed constellation, and that was from my grandfather that I never met. Never met any grandparents, and my sister wears that now, wears it far better than I could ever have. And she nabbed this the other day and she started wearing this to work. She wore it for it for a few days, and it really suited her. And I was like, oh my god. It hit me like a brick wall when I saw her wearing it. I was like, you because obviously this is this is our dad we're talking about on the back here. Um it hit me like a brick wall. I was like, you you should be the one that wears this watch. So I'm not in the position to give it to her just yet. Yeah. And I hope she's not watching this. But one day, when the opportunity does come about, I would love nothing more than to be able to give this to her. Uh, because it's her colour, this colour is her, and that's our dad, and I know that uh that would mean a lot to her.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:18

So that's really nice. That's really nice. And I think that's that's uh it's quite a personal thing that you've shared there, and I think it's uh it's it's nice, and it's it's also nice. I think you like sharing that joy that you get from the watches and being able to impart some of that onto onto her as well. And I feel the same way about um my dad has only a owned one watch, and he I got him a uh a Patek 5940 uh perpetual calendar, you know, the Tono shape thing, uh, found it for him, got it, he put it on and he's never taken off. Yeah, he's never taken, and that's that's his watch. And that's the what you know, but I would really like that to go to my brother one day. Um, because I know it would mean so much more to my brother as a watch, as a you know, than me, because I would just be like, oh, it's a bit big and it's a bit you know, it's not a 50-40 and it's not the L'Rail track.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:11

The minute you start letting that part of your brain, which is that super geek territory which we all have, start encroaching on whether it's right or wrong, you've missed the point entirely. Yeah. Because this is not about the watch, this is about the person. Exactly. It's the quintessential reason why we love this so much. And sometimes we lose sight of that, and I think we've just got to hold that true. And I mean, in some ways, you know, the other sentimental watch I bought today is the one I got married in, which was probably my pin-up watch, my dream watch for for decades, could never have imagined I'd ever buy it. Got it on credit from uh watch for Switzerland two days before I got married, uh, put£2,000 down, you know, on my credit card, and I've just paid it off. Literally the other day got the email from V2 Finance to congratulate me that I paid it off, which I couldn't quite believe. I can't believe you did that. And my wife, like, you know, you know, and she she feels very close to it. And so we got married and Ann I was wearing it. How does she feel about that watch? She actually really likes it, yeah. She likes the Langer one a lot. Yeah. And she really likes this. Uh at the time, by the way, didn't like this. Uh, maybe because of the cost she thought I'd lay down on it, but but but hadn't. Because I was complaining. She's not thinking about the cost of the wedding being as much as it had. Um is she sentimental? Not really, no. No, but she's a one-watch woman now as well. Tank, uh, panther, mid-sized panther. She's just there. That's it. That's it. Um which I love for her. Um but the funny thing is, I I've now, strangely enough, I've I've gone on a journey with Ashran in the collecting journey. And since I've had my Soltorello, that watch ticks all the boxes for me is the super geek territory here that ticks all the boxes. And then I'm now thinking I'm not wearing this as much because maybe of the size. You know, 40 mil, as crazy as that sounds. It wears big, it wears maybe like 4142 because of this one. But what struck me again the other day about this was you know, my daughter one day, she will see that photo of me holding her.

unknown 1:11:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:52

And there will be an association with that wedding day, and and and there isn't even a photo on the wedding day of us, you can't even see the watch, I don't think. But she will see me holding her. And so I would love her to think that this was, you know, this was a great gift on her 18th or 2021. Whether she'll want to wear it or not is another story. But I'd love to keep this separate because it is probably beaten up as well. Um, which I love. I like that. Yeah. But this will go to her. This will go to her. So now, in many ways, that's sealed off in my mind. These are not up for grabs. Like Tim and I are working on uh another watch as of today. I'm trying to work out how I'm gonna settle up a watch. These are not watches that can be included in that, and that's quite satisfying. You know, and that's quite satisfying. They're in their boxes, they're literally in their boxes ready to go for the different people, uh the different ladies in my life, um, which is super satisfying. When it comes to commission watches, I'm I'm I'm you know, I'm not I'm not even, you know, I I I love I love the idea of doing something with Anison Chev. Um, something in Amwall would be just incredible. 37 mil World Timer with them would be incredible, mainly because I've worked with P. Elena's on there for 15 years. I've literally worked with them in different ways, and it's a chev 15 years. That in some ways would be about him and about that marking that that journey with exactly refilled.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:07

I actually I I actually couldn't believe how how nice a man he was. Incredibly nice, incredibly nice man. It really he gave us so much time and this is you know, we're we're not talking about like a you know just uh uh a tiny micro brand here. We're talking about you know, Anderson Genev, chap who spent a decade at Patek making their world timers. Founder of the AHCI. Founder of AHCI. Doesn't get the credit he deserves yet.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:31

Amazing. Um lovely, lovely man. Um guys, as always, please let us know your thoughts, because this is divisive. Um no doubt this is divisive. There'll be lots of thoughts on this, so please let us know below. Yeah. And should should we be pushing Tudor to be making as a thing?

SPEAKER_02 1:13:45

You don't want it?

SPEAKER_01 1:13:46

You want a car check?

SPEAKER_02 1:13:47

Well, somewhere in between, maybe. What would you go for? A cloche or something? What would you do? I'd love a cloche, but uh not that.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:54

Tokyo Watch Club did a cloche, right? They did the sectors.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:01

Get working on it, Tim. What do you get?

SPEAKER_03 1:14:03

I think we should go a different direction, and people can let us know. But look, I think we should buy the same reference from an area that we really liked, from a brand that we loved, that we think is undervalued, and we should do something on that watch to bring it together, whatever that may be. And we could approach the brand and say, hey guys, we've got these four watches, we've got six who have wanna join, eight, twelve, and let's do something with them that's that's really interesting. And I don't know what that could be.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:28

Um but just as an alternative maybe one of the blanc pan um maybe one of those, you know, the uh the early 90s blanc pans they made in something like 36 mil or the timer. The Villa Race.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:41

Something like that. And then some like enamel inlay around the bezel or something, just something as a touch, like a twist.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:48

The brand has to be on board with it.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:50

You know, you know what um second and second do uh is they'll sometimes take a second hand off and they'll put something poppy on, which is really cool, but they'll give you the old hand and a little thing. That's that's quite a cool way of still respecting that it's Yeah, that's I I I wanted to be the originality.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:09

Like when we if we make a watch, I want the brand to be involved. I'd like the brand to make it. But I really like the modifications that don't have the brand involved. There's one that I feel his couple I feel deserve a shout-out, but you guys see Matt Farrell's Explorer 2. Do you know who Matt Farris is? I know who Matt Farr is. I don't know who's Explorer 2. He's he's got an Explorer 2 and Polar Dial, modern. His brother-in-law passed away, and the last holiday they went on was to Bora Bora. And he approached the dial artist who's UK based. It's not the one with the octopus on, but he basically got the island of Bora Bora painted all over the dial. And it's like just a full, fully painted custom dial. And he's back in the watch, and it's just it's still more exploratory. Like, you could send it to Rolex and get a service and get a new dial on. But the watch, I think the watch looks amazing. I've not seen it. And it's just like he's just like, I don't give a crap. Like, I just want to remember my brother-in-law, and this for me is the best way I can think of how to do so. That's and I feel like Rolex obviously wouldn't approve it or anything like that. But I think I've got a lot of time for that. It could be.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:16

I think you need that, you need that moment of, you know, uh obviously we don't need one of us to die, but you know, that that is not maybe just one of the first divorce.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:24

The first divorce.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:26

To mark it. Divorce. A bit like the Morris Grossman. Um I won't go down that video.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:31

She just surely surely you like the F myth they can't take a joke, Cartier. No. You don't like that?

SPEAKER_02 1:16:39

Why not? I just I don't think I don't think that that language and Cartier go together. Fair enough. I think I think Cartier is about sophistication. It's all right.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:49

Oh, just more small and brando GMT, where he's literally just gonna like done it himself. I like that. I I really like that rather than having like a pressure of grave, it's just like, yeah, this is mine. Off you go. I know I've got some time for stuff like that. So like it's even more personal.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:03

So if we fall in love with these watches that have been given to us today for a test drive, then So are we doing it now then? Yeah, I think we need to present, don't we? All right, Jake, you're gonna be able to do it. Could we engrave on it? That's my question, is if we're enlightened enough. That's not a question for me.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:18

That's not a question for me. So, okay, so yeah, there's the three of you. Let's think we should go first. I think you should go first, Justin.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:26

Yeah. Okay. So I'm gonna give it a shake that last time. So the rules are the same. Uh, it's just that I'm not picking, you're picking. I'm picking. We we're keeping them for the two weeks. Yeah, till the next episode. Till the next episode.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:39

Yeah, and I think we should say, guys, the reason for this is that we're lucky to be in the position we're in here at Sobdop because we'll have access to these watches. But we want to give you a legitimately honest feedback on what the watchers like to live with. And and we think we all believe we need to be doing it.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:52

I don't think either you or I did that last time. No, I did.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:54

I was legitimately honest. You said that you didn't need to put it off. I tried to put it on. I tried my best to put it on.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:01

There's a difference here. You gave an opinion of what a Patrizzy's like to live with for you. Exactly. Which you conclude was unlivable. Exactly. I think for podcasts' sake, it might be helpful to see what it's like for them to live with. Yes, yeah. And you can speak about that because. But let's not oh dinky. No, no, no. So there's no rotor movement. Stop shaking it. No, my shake, so I'm gonna go to the why. This is my mind.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:23

Why would you be choosing this for him?

SPEAKER_05 1:18:26

I think it's from a brand that you really like. Okay, but I don't think it's from a brand where you've owned much before. Oh, good, good, good. And I think it's a really, really interesting watch. I uh the thing up front wearability is gonna be the question. But I I just I I'm just I'm really excited. Is it a cashier? It's not a cashier. I'm sort of forming for Timber. It's not a Hu.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:56

Uh do you want to ask any more questions? Bremo? No. We don't sell Bremo.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:01

Oh, okay. Oh, wow. That's a lot of people. Wow. That's brilliant. And I, for a long time, I've pestered you about these over the years. You're not a fan.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:12

No, no, no. Wearability. Wearability. I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:16

The new ones, right? I think they're technically amazing. Thank you, Frankie. I'm delighted about Chelsea. Do you know why?

SPEAKER_02 1:19:23

Sorry, sorry, Timmy, sorry, sorry.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:26

Can I just say this? Um, so Chelsea's known as the watchmaker's watchmaker, right? This is the watchmaker's watchmakers watchmaker. Yeah. Because this is the watch all of the watchmakers at Chelsea admire the most, want to wear, and want to own. Talk about we incredible case back. And wind maker two different ways.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:45

It's 42 millimeters. Yeah. But if anyone should be able to wear 42 millimeters, it's you. So that's why I'm curious to be like, can you wear it? And rain dart.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:55

I'm assuming you're gonna have a great experience. I'm gonna give this my very best, guys. And I love it.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:00

I'm just gonna try to actually put it on wrist.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:02

No, no, no. This will get a lot more time because this is much more in my wheelhouse. It's yeah, it's off the beaten track, it's on a strap, which typically is where I'm at, and there's something complicated that's bizarre and interesting going on here. I think the dial is beautiful. No, it's it's stunning. Nice watch.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:15

That's a really good one.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:16

Really nice watch. Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:17

Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:17

Who's next, Jake? Go on. So you can go next. Do you want to ask any questions? Well, what why have you picked the watch? What's the I think you just I think you gotta just I'm curious. I want you to wear the watch. So it's a watch you've shared opinions on, and I want you to wear it. And I think you just need to.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:34

I reckon this is gonna I'm being I'm gonna be upset by this, aren't I?

SPEAKER_02 1:20:37

Oh man, it's gonna be good ones.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:44

I know, it's it's actually a disgrace. Tanema's got a 40 grand watch both times, and it needs to end whoever's doing it next. This is Justin's watch, small watch.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:58

I just thought like we we talked about it last episode. Wow, you need to live with it to know, and I'm super intrigued.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:03

As Jake I just kept saying, like, but it's a watch to wear, it's just lovely to I actually cannot wait to wear this for two weeks. I I want to feel what you feel. I may have to buy it off you at the end of the day. No, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:14

There you go, we can do a good deal. Um I'm I'm genuinely intrigued. I know you're gonna you're gonna critique it, you're gonna wear it, you're gonna give us your feedback, and it's super easy. That's really owned to Lauren Ferrier.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:24

I've never owned Lauren Ferrier, and new brand. I and I I I actually am I'm really happy that you've given me one to challenge me because this is one I think we spoke last episode of the challenges that I thought of this watch.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:35

So um I mean Don't be afraid to like if you are in the pool or whatever, and the kids like, go for it, because that's what I think that that's where it comes alive is that don't hold back. Amazing.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:45

Well, yeah, look at that. Hey, I mean, I am I am a lucky boy here. God two-watch collections, not a bad one, though. Look at this. I know I've had a Sontre, which is uh ended up with me nearly buying this. Um, and then I've now got a Lauren Ferrier, which might be expensive.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:59

Can I say that I think the Laurent Ferrier, as much as I love the classic cases, I know you've talked on, and I'll leave this just as a thought for you for going into your two weeks with it. I think it might be the best of Lauren Ferrier, actually, the sport alternate. But I'll leave that with you. I I don't want to dive too deep into that. There you go. That's big, big less.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:14

I feel like I'm I'm two for two, I'd like to say. Thanks for watching. All right. And now Tim's why do I feel like it's gonna be a horrible? No, no, it's not it's not horrible.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:24

I've got uh what do you call it anxiety? Sorry. All right, I'd use it.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:29

This is Samuel Ross' uh big bang, I'm thinking.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:31

I don't know, I don't know. I know I'm gonna come across as ungrateful.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:37

I so nearly put a big bang in there just as a little wind-up budget. So I I found you the watch, which I was like, perfect. In fact, I can tell you what it was because we're trying to get watches that you haven't owned as much. Tim has owned everything. So I we agreed that you're gonna have the mother of pearl solid gold data. Oh wow. As just like fun, whatever. That is sort of like that sold this morning. So I then found you another watch, which we really liked, and then it sold an hour and a half ago. I actually already forgotten, but there's something, and then there's lots of stuff which I couldn't give you for a number of reasons. So this watch, I've broken the budget. Oh, this is I'm gonna enjoy it then. It's the same issue with Justin's around wearability, but I'm confident you've not owned one. Okay. So I'm not in your tiny watch world, but I think you I think I think you'll wear it for more than four minutes, and you'll give us an honest review of what you like about it. I'll try Ricardo. Any questions?

SPEAKER_02 1:23:43

I just want to open it. You know, go I'll just open it. I'm gonna open it. Oh, that's interesting. Nice. That's interesting. I like that. I wanna I want to know what your thoughts. This is a Patek 5524G.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:56

And ideally, it would have been the 37mm. No, no, no. It's cool, it's cool.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:02

Um, have you been to the Patek Museum and seen the pocket watch that this is based on? No. Very, very cool. There's a pocket watch uh on the third floor or something where they've got these numbers. And I because I thought, where the hell have Patek got these numbers from? But there's a pocket watch there from 40s or something with these exact numbers on it, and they've taken that and put it in this watch, um, which is quite cool. I've got a picture of it actually.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:25

I'll find it. Is it gonna last more than four minutes? Yes. Yeah? Will it go home?

SPEAKER_03 1:24:29

It's got Patek on the dial. Of course it will. Yeah. Will it make it into the front door? Uh yeah. Yeah, yeah. I I actually could see you quite enjoying it. I like that for your walks, your long walks on the weekend with uh and it's a travel time.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:41

No, that's right. That's very, very cool. All right.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:44

Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:46

There you go.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:46

So Jake, you're and straight.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:49

So this is this this feels empty, I'd like to say. Like I still wait a time.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:57

I feel bad because I've I've just got a Lauren Ferrier, you've got a Patek, and you've got a a JLC.

SPEAKER_06 1:25:02

But I think if you recall last time we did this, uh something similar happened again. Just just checking out that was going to be winners and losers. Yeah, let's james the losers.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:11

So let me so this is actually a watch I've owned. Okay. And I I really enjoyed this watch. Okay. And it is not a Swiss brand.

SPEAKER_07 1:25:20

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:20

Because and I wanted I wanted you to put you in a in a different experience than your normal. And your normal experience is uh precious metal sports watches. Uh sorry, precious precious metal dressier watches from well-renowned brands and things. I wanted to try something different. Um, and it is it is a great watch. It's 37 mil. It's got a it's it wears so nicely on the wrist, and it you could live with it really nicely and have a look and see what you think.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:55

We I'm gonna say we we obviously semi-prep these. I said I'm missing a bit of yellow gold in my life.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:01

There's no yellow gold in there. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:02

I videoed that.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:04

It's good. Is it from Japan? It is from Japan.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:08

Is it a Grand Seiko?

SPEAKER_01 1:26:09

It is a Grand Seiko, and I I I love the spring drive, it gives you a completely different look. Um, and I think this is one of the grandcomes.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:23

If you didn't say Grand Seiko, I'm gonna go away with it. I love it. This is the new hooking time.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:31

Oh, that computer, right?

SPEAKER_06 1:26:34

I just wanted to I like the one that feels MC. I wanted you to feel that I felt last time. Is this a grand seiko?

SPEAKER_01 1:26:43

I actually don't know.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:44

Is this a grand seiko? It is a grand seiko.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:45

Yeah, it's a grand seiko.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:46

I'll keep this as well. Thank you, too. That's not that's not a too weak thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:50

That's uh that's that's a lot. I want to see your immediate thoughts to that one.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:54

Yeah, I like these. I like these.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:56

I can see that working. And and uh I'm sorry it's not you know 20 grand or something, but it's 40 grand, 40 grand. Sorry, I'm sorry. But I just like this. This is the SBGY013, and I actually did put my money, my own money behind this, and I think this dial is stunning in person. It's really clean, the power reserves on the back, it's uh it wears amazingly. The this is the best bracelet Grand Seiko have made for the watches. Um, and honestly, the spring drive is very, very, very cool. So I wanted you to really get a good experience with that.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:30

Uh I I truly, and I'm joking now, you know, I want 3970 next time. Um I I love this case. This is the elegance case, whatever. Um, uh you have a blue dial currently, which is like a bit peacocky in the same case. I tried to, I've tried to buy that watch a handful of times. I've had it in the cart, it's like seven or eight years ago, yeah, a few times. I've tried them on the boutique twice, and it it's the one where it had, and our friend has uh the same one. But it had the big Grand Seiko, I'll call it sticker. It's not image printed on the case back, which I always thought ruined it a bit. And then these started to cut these started to come out, which were, I think, a slight improvement, even though I like the blue dial. So yeah, I'm I'm really excited to try and actually own one of these. I'm actually glad that they've got to be able to do that.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:19

So I want you to see what you think. And and I need a few links now. Yeah, for people out there, I think it is a really good value proposition. It's like five to six thousand pounds. It looks good. Looks good. It looks really good on a battery.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:29

I might put it on a leather. That's how it's.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:31

So I had it on a leather for uh a kind of black leather. In fact, um I've got a 19 millimeter black leather that looks good on that. It does look good. Very, very good.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:40

All right, gents. Listen, I think that's probably us. So thank you as always for joining us. Um hope you enjoyed that one. Please let us know your thoughts below on sentiment watches, engravings, bespoke watches, and what you think we might come back to with thoughts on at least. But until next time.