Only 4 Watches Allowed... The Core Collection | S02 EP05 Four Married Men Podcast

Welcome back to the Four Married Men Podcast — where four watch collectors sit down to talk watches, collecting culture, and the stories behind the pieces we wear.

Jake Ross - https://www.instagram.com/amanintime
Salim Hammad - https://www.instagram.com/thedeadbeat...
Justin Hast - https://www.instagram.com/justinhast
Tim Green - https://www.instagram.com/_timgreen_

How do you build the perfect core watch collection?

In this episode of Four Married Men, Jake, Justin, Salim and Tim attempt the impossible: reducing their collections down to just four watches each. From everyday staples and sentimental favourites to grails, icons and controversial picks, the guys explain exactly why each watch made the cut — and why others didn’t.

Choosing the watches is only half the challenge. Each collection is opened up to criticism from the rest of the group, leading to debates around versatility, personal taste, collectability, emotional value, and what truly makes a great watch collection.

Is the perfect 4 watch collection even possible?
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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Over there.

SPEAKER_02 0:01

The new Rolex style, you know, the um Yeah, put it f a little bit further down behind Tim's head, man. What's that? When I look at Tim, I just my eyes hurt.

SPEAKER_01 0:10

I get that response. So that's it.

SPEAKER_02 0:14

That's one real dance.

SPEAKER_01 0:25

Alright. Shall we jump into it? Good to see you again, gents. How are you? How are you? I've got a little bit more of a voom than I had last couple of episodes because I was quite pulling, but I'm I'm bounced back and I'm excited for this.

SPEAKER_03 0:39

You've lost um a fair lack of weight after the floor.

SPEAKER_01 0:41

Yeah, yeah. That was it was a traumatic time for me, actually.

SPEAKER_00 0:45

It's like Fresh's flu, you know, uh what's and wonders flu. It's a bit like that. It's a bit like that, you know, where you get some capacity. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 0:51

Lost kissing and watch the wonders and these days I get zero um sympathy from my from my family. Uh it's business as usual back home, even though I'm absolutely dying on my deathbeds. I just get reminded that it's not as painful as childbirth. And um yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:08

And so I you can't, as a father, you can't stand, you've got no leg to stand on the wall. Honestly, when you've got kids at home to your wife, if you're unwell in any shape or form, just just point blank. Yeah. That's why I'm in the spare room and all it happens for many months.

SPEAKER_01 1:22

Um honestly, uh I might as well go and move into the shed. I'd get more sympathy from the wildlife around me than I'd get from the side. That's a weird start to the show. But we've got a we've got a bumper one this week, actually. I'm quite excited for it. Um so we were gonna talk about it's we've got to stop calling it the Easter Bunny watch. But we all borrowed a watch uh last podcast, and we're gonna report back on how we got on with them. Um, I think I'm right in saying that no one did a dirty and didn't even wear it this time. I think Justin, I'm looking at you.

SPEAKER_03 2:02

Yeah, it's been a long few weeks since the last uh episode before last. It's been a long few weeks of recovery and um and I'm back. I see the bruises. And I'm back, and I'm here to defend myself. I did online. Um and I'm no, I'm I'm delighted with it. And look, you know, so the only reason we call it Easter Bonnie, just to be clear, was you were gonna wear an Easter Bonnie suit.

SPEAKER_01 2:22

What? You were gonna wear an Easter Bonnie suit. Let's not start with the internet. And that's not happening so far.

SPEAKER_03 2:27

So as you can see, I'm wearing the watch that I've had on for the last few weeks, and we've got another story. And and I think, look, at the end of the day, that you know, that Daytoner experience was seminal for me. Um I've I've literally never I've never had a relationship watchbook.

SPEAKER_01 2:41

Daytoner experience, or was it the post-daytoner experience where the world told you that you're an ungrateful bastard? I think that was it. It was that anyway. So we'll we'll report back on our watches. And then the the meat of it is that we're going to talk about a four-core watch collection of our own watches. We get the feedback all the time now that um wouldn't it be great if we saw you know what Tim's got in his watch box and you know, all of us, basically. So we thought it'd be really interesting to boil our collections down to a four-core watch collection. And it might be that there's some uh, I guess, transition stage for some of us where we don't have four that we're confident with and we're gonna give each other advice. But also, it's about us talking to each other about saying, hey, do you know what? I think that's the one that's not quite right for you. But there should be loads of conversation. Effectively, we're talking about five watches each today, so it might be a bumper show, but we'll see how we get on. There's absolutely no need for us to have so many watches in front of us.

SPEAKER_03 3:45

No, this is this is for our pure joy every time we come. Yeah. Jake. Yeah. Jake is kind enough to take a list for us of watches we'd love to have on the table.

SPEAKER_02 3:54

And then I just filter highest price to lowest price and just pick that another.

SPEAKER_03 3:59

And we've been here for an hour and we've we've jumped around so many different watches, and I think we've we've settled on.

SPEAKER_00 4:04

And there's one in front of you there that I think has really surprised you in the last half hour of since you've been here. Yeah. And I just want to touch on that because that surprised me when I saw it on your wrist and how good it looked on your wrist.

SPEAKER_01 4:18

Um, yeah, it makes me happy seeing uh people warming to Cartier.

SPEAKER_03 4:23

No, because because online, you know, we saw this, and I wasn't the only one. Xcel Tour 2. I actually thought it was the it looked a lot like the miniature. It's like the mini one that was launched at Watch Wonders a few weeks back. But it's absolutely monstrous. And then this is a tad smaller than I expected it to be. Yeah. But the joy of trying all these on is that you come in and this really just took me back. Like it is, it's minute. It's absolutely minute. It's a Tim Green special. It is. It's a Tim Green special, it's absolutely minute. But I really, really love it. It goes really well with your interview suit. You were actually commenting on how much you enjoyed the suit when I went to the show. I do like that suit. And you were you're now rubber.

SPEAKER_01 5:02

You threw a few stones at my last couple of outfits. Yes, I did, because it was recycled trash.

SPEAKER_03 5:07

Where's your recycled trash jumper that you had on this board?

SPEAKER_01 5:09

That's for my warm-up. That's pre pre-show.

SPEAKER_03 5:12

There we go. That's that's that. And for me, it just feels so incredibly elegant on the wrist.

SPEAKER_02 5:18

We we've spoken about the tank Louis, the original tank Louis, which is like the one I think you should buy, but that is too small for you. So you like the jumbo, which I'm sure we spoke about three or four episodes ago. Which I feel a bit wrong, although it fits you. I think this is like the middle ground. I know it just works. I don't even think it's that much bigger than a tank Louis, is it?

SPEAKER_01 5:38

But it just it's much flatter. I think it's uh one or two millimeters thinner, um, but probably the same case width. It just works for some reason. Give or take a millimeter.

SPEAKER_03 5:49

So 1990s, I said to Tim before this, and we're probably jumping the gun here about the collection stuff, but I have this real interest in 1990s and era, and you know everyone wants to find a collection theme. I I'm I'm I'm leaning into the idea of a 90s theme specifically. So this would meet that criteria. I think it's Cameron from uh Collector's Gene over in uh Colorado. Oh, I met him in uh Watch the Wonders, I think. Great message, great man.

SPEAKER_01 6:12

I met him recently. Love you.

SPEAKER_03 6:14

I and he he wore this before he got a jaune. Um he may still have it, but he wore this for a long time in his videos. I always loved it on him. And he was like, Yeah, you should try it. You should try it. He's a man of good taste. Man of taste. Anyway, that could be. And I'm still navigating.

SPEAKER_01 6:29

I can that watch for you if you like. If you if you want to be put off.

SPEAKER_03 6:33

Go on. Uh is it the what is it?

SPEAKER_01 6:35

No, it's that the one to get is the 90th anniversary platinum salmon dial bregae hands.

SPEAKER_00 6:41

That's like 26, 27 grand though? No, it's like 40. 40. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:46

Fantastic.

SPEAKER_03 6:46

There you go. Well, that rules me out. So this is under 10. This could be under 10. I think it's under 10. I like the yellow.

SPEAKER_01 6:52

Stop doing that. It couldn't be under 10. Is it really? Oh, well, then it could be 10. 10.

SPEAKER_03 7:01

Therefore, it could be eight, um, which is fantastic. It's absolutely fantastic. But I'm not sure it lines up with the other four.

SPEAKER_00 7:09

That's my immediate concern. Because it makes the rest of them a little awful. You know what gives uh what I think is a real head-to-head with that is actually is yours. No, well, it's it's mine, but also this Langer, this this 34mm Langer Big Date, Saxonia, is actually that's actually a pair. Yeah. As a pair, that'd be outrageous. You know, are great. And this gives you a lot of I I disagree.

SPEAKER_03 7:32

Do you know why? Because I'm on the lookout for my first cartier. I I say it's my first. I actually had had a one, but my proper, my, my my love at first sight cartier, and I'm looking for a relics. And I actually think these two, these two have had an impact on me this morning. Yeah, I really like this. Like I really, really like this. Audio only. So 1019, right? 16, 16, 1060, 1019's the more guess. 1016, 36 mil. And this was actually you, you, you, Jake, you've had one before in the past, and you said you should try one because this could work.

SPEAKER_02 8:02

Yeah, I I think I'm gonna get into the 1016 today as a part of my core. So I've owned two. I've owned a mat and a guilt, but I obviously have my explorer, which I've had for years. I prefer a 1016. Like the 1016 is more of a me watch than the like the like near vintage.

SPEAKER_03 8:19

It's more interesting, even though you feel like you see this a lot more.

SPEAKER_02 8:21

I love the it's how it fits into the collection. But for you, I'd I'd love to see it.

SPEAKER_03 8:28

And this is a Frog's foot.

SPEAKER_02 8:30

Don't know what that means.

SPEAKER_00 8:30

Yeah, the way the crown on the uh no idea what that is. If you look at the crown, look at the frog foot. Look at the crown and the bar frogs.

SPEAKER_01 8:37

And I don't I think I find them so confusing.

SPEAKER_00 8:39

So Bart Simpsons for a 55-12. There you go. Uh yeah. So early early 5512. Yeah, actually 13. It's uh um uh guilt dial, early 13.

SPEAKER_01 8:48

It's nomenclature that I've got absolutely no ambition to learn. All about it.

SPEAKER_00 8:53

And you and you I mean it doesn't really Foxfoot.

SPEAKER_03 8:55

Yeah. It's quite it's not something that crosses the mind very often. Not really. Not in everyday life. No.

SPEAKER_02 9:00

I feel we're getting into the four core. But Justice just said that this this would fit in as a third sports watch, maybe a six-watch collection. Well, maybe this would be a good one.

SPEAKER_01 9:08

But we'll teasing the chat around the four-watch collection because we'll keep this for later. We'll keep it for later. We've got watches on the side. It doesn't fit into your 90s vibes, does it? It doesn't, no, just think about that. It doesn't, it doesn't. Okay, so shall we start with the watches that we've been trying for the last couple of weeks? And Selim, I think it'd be fair to start with you because the the big um the big statement of the uh the last episode was that Justin very kindly entrusted his Laurent Ferrier sport auto with you, and you were very on the fence. And there's been no chat, no pregame on this. We don't know which way you're gonna swing on this watch. And uh have you got on with it?

SPEAKER_03 9:55

Can I just say I was very concerned about learning this to you? Because actually, Sylla, you've you you've moved country since we last saw each other, and you've got kids, you've got prams, you've got uh pharmaceutical goods, you've got a wife, you've got all sorts of dogs, dog a mansion of six. And a mansion now, different wings, six-car garage, six-car garage, all that stuff's moved with you, and you've still managed to secure that puppy. So thank you.

SPEAKER_00 10:16

Yeah, no, thank you. I mean, you it it for the last the last two times we've done this, I felt incredibly lucky because we know that I've got this. I had the Cartier Santre off uh of Tim, your personal watch, and which opened a door for me for Cartier, and we'll talk about that later. But that it was that experience with the centre that really, really opened that.

SPEAKER_01 10:36

Um I I would if I I would like to loan everyone my centre just so that the world starts. In the comments, in the comments, just yeah, put addresses in communal centre, everyone patina on patina.

SPEAKER_00 10:49

Yeah. Um, and now having had a Lauren Ferrier Sport Auto, because we were talking about this and how I didn't quite understand it. And um, it's been really, really interesting to have it on wrist for the last few weeks. And I think I'm gonna I'm gonna attack it in three different ways. I think the first thing is I'm gonna talk about the case, just at the head of the watch, because I really do see that differently from the bracelet. Um, so the the case and the dial, and then I'm gonna talk about this bracelet, um, and then I'm gonna talk about the wearability of the watch, because I think that's really where it shines through, is is in its wearability. But I think the first thing to say is it's so marmite. When you when you see this, it's uh so pulbous and large, and it really at first it doesn't it it just doesn't feel like um a watch that's elegant. It really doesn't. And but over time, you while I've had it on wrist, I've started to get these glimpses of it where I look at it and I'm just like, oh god, that case is nice. You know, just just the way the curves are, and then into this kind of square bezel uh side of things. It really, really is actually uh a very, very nice case. The side profile as well is is really good. I don't know if uh we'll get a macro of the side profile with that with that onion crown. I think that Lauren Ferrier has done a really good job with with the actual case of it. I think it's just um very, very um it's it's almost like artwork. The way he's the way he's done it, the the curves on there, um, and the cushion of this, it has a few dimensions to it, which is interesting. So visually, there's a lot to look at there. Um the hands I said last time I wasn't quite squared away with, and and I'm afraid I I still the green loom, I just I hate. I really, I really hate the green loom. That's a strong word. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 12:50

It just it feels cheap. Bulbous and hate together combined. Bulbous is a medical term, and I didn't want it here. I have I was told that once by doctor, and I hope Monster again. Um but now I'm being told about my watch.

SPEAKER_02 13:01

Um have they been has the hands been useful at any point? Like I mean, they're useful.

SPEAKER_00 13:05

With the kids, like uh no, no. I mean, in the dark, the loom is brilliant. You can you can see the watch, you know, um uh and it's it's fantastic. The loom is it does what it should do, you know, but it I I I don't know why it's green. Um it's like a very it's like quite a vivid green as well, against that blue, against that blue dial.

SPEAKER_03 13:23

He's got a track track record of um, and so I should say I think this watch was an inspiration from so Francois Severin, who he raced in Le Mans with. Um, you know, it was a commitment to him as a friend that they were gonna make this watch. And there is that Porsche inspiration. So that particular car. It's green. I can't remember the name of that particular model Porsche, but that's that's inspiration.

SPEAKER_01 13:42

It's a 935. Yeah, I think it is as well.

SPEAKER_03 13:45

And so that's that's where that curvature and that type of thing comes. They they have an advert or an illustration on the wall, which is just a profile of that case, just as the head and the profile in the office and June, which I love. And he's got a track record of combining dark colours with unusual loom colour, like he likes to he likes to pick loom colours. There was a mushroom from many years ago, like the grand sport auto, the tourbillon version that our friend Tom has. That's like a mushroom colour loom on a sort of a brown. See, I I would prefer that than this uh than this green. I mean it's one of my favourite, I should say one of my favourite parts of the watch.

SPEAKER_00 14:18

Truly, I love that green and that I'd never pick it. So, but the one thing that actually did grow on me a lot is the uh the indices. The length of the indices, I think, are brilliant. Um, and the way they draw you in with the sector dial. Um, and this is I will say, probably the best executed date window I've seen on a watch. Um, this date window is is wonderful. Um just the slope down with the with the chamfers along the side leading you into that date, I think is is is brilliant.

SPEAKER_03 14:48

You know the watchword lots first. I think this might be the first date window that actually has that approach, that slice cut-out approach to sort of give it this drama. Yeah. I know it's the sort of automotive inspiration again that he's taken there, but do you think it's the first? The the date window should be colour matched.

SPEAKER_00 15:06

I I think it it should be colour matched. I think the loom should be whiter and it should match the date. Because at the moment you've got the the blue, you've got the the the obviously the silver for the for the indices in the hands, and then you've got the green, uh for and then you've got the white date. Um so there's there's a lot a lot of colour going on there. Um so I I would I don't mind it being white because it's visible and it's it's fine. Um, but it's just the loom I I think I would have it just a cream or something something like that.

SPEAKER_02 15:37

The the hands actually similar if you look at the line sport, the jawn. They've got big is that kind of what you'd want from a balloon perspective?

SPEAKER_03 15:45

You were trying that jaune on. God. And you were genuinely trying it on and trying to trying to get a take on it. I can't understand that. Never ever looked right. Never looked at it.

SPEAKER_02 15:53

I just I just saw the hands and just thought, I think that's I think that's what you're you want, no?

SPEAKER_00 15:58

So I think the hands on this actually match what's going on on the dial though, because you've got these whimsical numbers and this, you know, this power reserve that looks like uh like you know, um someone's just used a paintbrush and just you know gone like that, and then you've got um these numbers which are all different sizes and things, and then you've got the S of the Okta, you know, there's all sorts going on on this, um which I don't love, but I think the hands I don't hate it though, yeah. But I think the hands match that kind of aesthetic. Whereas with this, I I I would I mean, I said it before, his Asagai hands, his African spear hands are just so good. I would have loved to see a take on that on this watch. So, but but the case is is really good. Um the bracelet, it's it's such a letdown. The bracelet is such a letdown for this watch. Um it's incredibly comfortable, which is the important thing. It's incredibly comfortable. I fell asleep wearing this once.

SPEAKER_03 16:58

Why do I feel like I'm in a sort of a reality TV show where it's like a swing? Not that I've watched the swingers, not that there is a swing, but you're you're with you're with you with my morning. You're with my my girlfriend all my for you talking me through what it's been like for the last few weeks to be on holiday with her or whatever it is. It's I'm just surreal, it's a real thing. I'm nodding like smiling. Yeah, yeah, I know that. I know that. Uh I get it. I get it. Um and and and you're you're you're trying to tread a beautifully elegant line, like trying to keep it nice and I get it because people did push back on that bracelet when they first uh you know saw it a couple years back when it launched. And um Well, you want more taper on it? Because it doesn't have taper in it.

SPEAKER_00 17:38

And there's a reason I asked for this Mozart. Yeah. It's because if I look at the bracelet on this Mozart, it just feels so refined. It's it's so refined, it tapers down. You've got that feels thickness. That looks thick to me. I mean, it's it's half it's half the thickness of this bracelet. That's that's a that's a better bracelet in my money. Of course, but this is not as comfortable. It's not as comfortable, yeah. Um, but you know, it feels almost like this is a bracelet that should have been, you know, you know, it's in pre-production before the finished product, and they've forgotten to finish the bracelet. And it on a watch that is 60,000 euros, right? I would have expected just the bracelet to have maybe some taper, a bit thinner, a bit elegant. Um, and especially when I look at the back of my wrist, um, the clasp is nice, but when I look at the back of my wrist with it here, just like that, I mean, that looks really unrefined, doesn't it? I mean, the links are the links are are actually different.

SPEAKER_03 18:37

He's close, he's close.

SPEAKER_00 18:38

Yeah, the links.

SPEAKER_03 18:40

Bearing in mind it is titanium and and by all accounts, difficult to polish and that type of thing. Do you not see any refinement in the in the inter-link polishing going on and leveling?

SPEAKER_00 18:50

I mean, not any, you know, it's not on par with uh the Northless bracelet or the Moser bracelet or the Royal Oak bracelet. Um, the finishing is fine. You know, it's not you know, there's not these amazing facets or um or anything like that. Um, so I I just think if you've he's done such a great job with the head with the head. That why was there not more thought put into that bracelet? Did you envisage your everyone rubber, or did you imagine when you're wearing it, you thought, hey, this could work if it were on a strap. It's interesting because I my immediate thought uh when I was wearing it actually for a week was I wonder what the overseas would feel like on the wrist on rubber. Um and then I also thought about the aquanaut, your, you know, but but the there is there is a rubber though.

SPEAKER_02 19:30

That that's what I was trying to say. So the Torbillon. That's a bigger case. But it's a bigger case, but it's this it's the same design language, isn't it? Yeah. And critically it only came on a rubber strap. Do you reckon they'll ever bring out a rubber strap for this?

SPEAKER_03 19:43

Yeah, I was wondering to them about it. And I think the thing that people don't realise out there is just the cost involved of developing buckles and connectivity for you know Lauren Ferry works with lots of suppliers in the in the region. It just it's very costly to develop these types of things. And you also need to avoid the patterns, which all the big brands have around buckles, class, which is attachments, that type of thing.

SPEAKER_00 20:06

So the problem is that is that the watch is 60 60,000 pounds, right? It's not like he's he's charging uh uh you know 30k. You know, even the new Vacheron uh Cardinal Points is 40k, right? Uh he's another 50% more than that, and he's not coming at it with with with a top bracer. And I understand it's costly, but if you're gonna charge 60 grand for a time-only sports watch, I'm with you.

SPEAKER_03 20:30

It's I'm with you. I'm with you. I would think you could have done it for the grand sports and it's all being what why can't it be done for this? Why can't it be done for that? Yeah, and I would I would love to see it on a rubber strap. I would switch it for a rubber strap if we could. Honestly.

SPEAKER_00 20:42

Wearability, so wearability, I as I said, I I you know, amazing. The wearability of it is amazing. The the material is perfect. Being titanium, it's so light, it's so good on the wrist, very, very comfortable. Um you almost forget you're wearing it at times for a 41mm watch, it's pretty wild. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um the movement? Uh I mean the movement I think I think goes without saying is is amazing. The movement is amazing. The micro Reuter, perfect. The winding action is is lovely. Is the micro router engraved with the Le Mans finishing times?

SPEAKER_02 21:19

Uh I don't think is it on this one? Yeah, it is, yeah. Who is it?

SPEAKER_01 21:22

Yeah, yeah. Better than the competition from a movement perspective. I think so, absolutely. I think head and shoulders, head and shoulders.

SPEAKER_03 21:29

The winding is particularly gorgeous. I think the crown's nice. Yeah. I think head and shoulders. The crown's quite divisive. The crown for a lot of people, the from a usability perspective, for eyes is lovely. Um what else is there to say?

SPEAKER_00 21:42

I mean, that is so can we talk about cost for a second? Because um on secondary market at the moment, where where are these two? Let just an answer.

SPEAKER_01 21:51

Sort of I'd say mid forties.

SPEAKER_00 21:53

Mid forties secondary market. Yeah, patterns. God. I mean, for half the price you could pick up um. An overseas for you know for for less than half the price, you get uh an independent here, which is a MOSER, which has a better bracelet. Can we I mean overseas is uh uh in my view not comparable at all. Well what about a 222? A 222, you know, you get same, same same gold, a full goal 222 for the same price as well. Yeah, but still 222 is 40.

unknown 22:23

Uh uh.

SPEAKER_03 22:24

Yes, yeah, yeah. But but this has this has lineage with the man's name on the dial from uh his work on this, his work on this. You know, I I mean actually, actually, it's more this. You know, I I I I I think the most interesting thing about this is that this is a man who did this work, who now had a chance to do his own thing. He specifically didn't want he specifically didn't want this thinness uh and this flatness of the crystal, which I thought was interesting. He wanted to go for something which was much more in line with the the the gallop pebbles, the roundness. Um and that's and that's also you know quite a divisive thing, actually, we'll offer it generally is the reflectiveness, yeah, whether it's double-coated, it's only single-coated, so it's not double-coated. Or the inside or the outside? Yeah, inside.

SPEAKER_01 23:04

So that's good.

SPEAKER_03 23:05

So that's interesting. Um, but to me, that lineage is so interesting. And he apparently has, I don't know if it's the 65, um, but he but he apparently has an aqua he's very attached to. And he he'll never talk about this publicly um because he believes Patek have the IP. Yeah, they own that IP from that period he works there, so he doesn't want to talk about it. But you know, apparently he has one of these, which he absolutely loves. So that's that's that's his effort. And I think that's interesting, and that can't be discounted. Still 45,000. 45,000 pounds. Yeah, your money's not there. You're not putting in 45,000 either.

SPEAKER_00 23:36

If if you know, if you if you put uh you know, uh I mean a 4100, uh 14,790, uh these Royal Oaks, it can be picked up for half the price. You know, I mean you pick this up for half the price, right? I just it's just not there as a uh versus a competition. If if if if I was presented with something that is head and shoulders, other than the movement, which is head and shoulders above the rest, if I was presented with something that was head and shoulders above this 3800, for example, or a 4100, um, and I keep going back to that MOSER because it is brilliant for half for for for under 20k.

SPEAKER_02 24:14

Risk of exposing myself it is the 4100 quartz.

SPEAKER_00 24:18

No, no, no, no. It had a JLC caliber in it, which actually um a very, very six point rolloxes. Uh the 4100 35mm had a JLC caliber, which now actually they've they don't even service anymore, they just replace the movement with a with a modern uh Autumn RPG movement um when it goes back to to uh Labrosu.

SPEAKER_01 24:41

Right. Well that there we go. That's crunching start.

SPEAKER_00 24:45

But it was a great it was a great experience. I I really loved the experience. I think it was uh it was it it was amazing to have on wrist. Um because I'm you know I'm not gonna lie, you you don't get much much opportunity for that. And you hear so much about it from you know people like yourselves, Christian Hagen, etc., about this watch, trying to pump the numbers. Um absolutely not.

SPEAKER_01 25:05

Um it's it's interesting to hear your views on the Moses Streamliner because for you to say that you prefer that watch makes me think that your opinions on this are slightly less valid because I just think that's incomparable. Uh it's it's nowhere near as good. And uh I don't know what you're all about. Um I want to hear about Tim.

SPEAKER_02 25:32

What? Oh I want to hear about your watch.

SPEAKER_01 25:33

Oh, okay. Yeah, let's move on. Is that right? Yeah. Um well yeah, I had the 5524G, and um actually, do you know it's it's a funny one. I'd made myself wear it um because I didn't last time. This is a watch that's uh much bigger than I uh would typically buy. And for a few days I really enjoyed that, and then I realized that it's probably because I'm becoming an old man and legibility is quite important. And uh and then I thought I'm not yeah, I'm not leaning into old manness yet. Uh so I'm going back to small watches. Um, but there I did there were a few days when I really enjoyed wearing it. Um, it's got a lovely heft, it's got a design language that's quite different to anything else I've ever worn. And um I really appreciate it.

SPEAKER_03 26:25

Can we see it on the wrist again? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It is one of those odd watches. It doesn't look like a butter. It doesn't look like a butter, it doesn't really fit in.

SPEAKER_01 26:32

No, it doesn't, it doesn't at all. That looks good on you.

SPEAKER_02 26:35

Yeah, size actually size-wise it.

SPEAKER_01 26:38

It looks fine. But then the thing that lets it down, right, is the movement which is the same size as the 37mm version, which which annoys me. These are actually fairly uncomfortable, these pushers. Uh not pushers, they're uh oh no, they are pushers, aren't they? Um and I didn't use any, I didn't go traveling while I had it, so I I didn't use the dual type.

SPEAKER_03 26:58

What makes it cool in my mind is kind of what makes the Lont Very cool in some ways, is that it's unexpected.

SPEAKER_01 27:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:04

Because you're not, you know, I've never seen anyone ever wearing that in the wild before, but there's a part of me that I think if I did, it would be a little bit like, oh, okay, that's kind of cool. That's cool. Like, you know, it's it's just it's not the obvious pick.

SPEAKER_01 27:15

It's not the obvious pick, which is why I kind of enjoyed it. I don't really understand the buckle at all. The buckle has got this really weird sort of counterbalance to it. I've no idea why they did that and why they don't do it on other watches.

SPEAKER_03 27:28

Like the langer, the to protect the strap a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 27:31

I don't know. I don't know. I mean you can have a look, but but no, it was an interesting exercise in um you know, trying something different, realizing after a while it's good, but it's a swing and a miss.

SPEAKER_00 27:43

What do you think? What do you think of the thickness? Because when I think of patek, I think of elegant, thin. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:47

But it's kind of it it's one of those hybrid in between a sports and dress watch, and so it kind of gets away with the thickness, but I think it's too thick.

SPEAKER_00 27:55

Well, I mean, just seeing the movement in there, I mean, just seeing how small. Why Patek? Oh come on.

SPEAKER_01 28:00

Yeah. I mean, that's that's the bit.

SPEAKER_03 28:03

But the smaller one might have been more interesting for you, you know, the smaller variation of that.

SPEAKER_01 28:07

Yes. The the what I don't like about the smaller version is that it has a very feminine taper on the on the strap that goes down to 14 mil, I think. Which on a sort of tooly watch feels really, really small. Um, so yeah. What price are we talking? Uh that is mid-30s. The mid-30s. I think it was about 37, I think.

unknown 28:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:32

Oh, we're talking retail here or a second. No, uh no. No, I don't think it is. But yeah, I mean, anyway, go check out subdot.com and find out. Uh anyway, no, I was grateful for the experience. It's it's not the right watch for me, but I can definitely see me at 60 um valuing legibility and well, it's a bit, but it's a bit of a Volvo watch. It's kind of like giving up on life a little bit. And um I've got a menu. And leaning into a single watch. More of the time.

SPEAKER_03 29:04

Not not old Volvo. I don't know anything about cars, but old Volvo, those are cool. Those those are states.

SPEAKER_01 29:11

At the risk of Volvo. Yeah, an 850R or something. That'd be great.

SPEAKER_00 29:15

At the risk of at the risk of driving Volvo, don't you? I don't, I don't, I don't, but at the risk of uh until you're 60. Of invalidating my opinion even further. Uh one of my friends had just bought a Volvo and uh sat in it and it was really nice.

SPEAKER_01 29:31

Yeah, how I felt putting that watch on. I was like, oh, actually, this is quite good. And then I realized I'm not 60.

SPEAKER_03 29:37

Yeah. It's funny how that design hasn't kicked on, that sort of pilot, apatic pilot thing. When it was launched, no one really connected with it and it hasn't pushed on to become anything more than what it was. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:48

But they do they use that case and things for things like the alarm uh that they've released and things like that. Where they've it's interesting.

SPEAKER_01 29:55

A chrono version with pushes on the other side. Yeah, but yeah, it's it's not fun.

SPEAKER_03 29:59

So the crystal looks like watches that are like hundreds of dollars. Yeah, you know what I mean? Like that that really cheap crystal.

SPEAKER_02 30:05

I think it's trying to look like it's in a cockpit. Like if you saw like a dash timer, it would have that. It's got pile of vibes. Yeah. Very cool. The lube is also not white on this either. Um greeny. Yeah, you know.

SPEAKER_00 30:17

Don't show sweet. But it's less, it's less green. I mean, it's it's way less green than Laurent Ferrier.

SPEAKER_01 30:22

I don't think it is.

SPEAKER_03 30:23

It is. It doesn't it? It's not a good thing. We normally agree on most things, but I cannot disagree with you more on that green. I think it's actually one of the styles of the design.

SPEAKER_01 30:32

I mean, we don't know anything about the sports, but I literally just didn't take heed of the point that uh he made about preferring the string miners.

SPEAKER_00 30:39

I I think he lost all credibility at that point. He's gone. Uh I'd like I'd like to hear what the what the viewers think because I think your bias. I am biased, I'm biased because you you have a connection to the man. Yeah, but can I we can speak English, just speak to the channel?

SPEAKER_01 30:53

Yeah, after the day day tuning games.

SPEAKER_02 30:56

Can I can I clarify as the opinion? Would you have the Moser or the Lauren Ferrier? We could do that, we could do that poll.

SPEAKER_00 31:02

You can't take that back.

SPEAKER_02 31:03

No.

SPEAKER_00 31:04

I would I stand by that. I would have the Moser at half the price of a Lauren Ferrier. Oh, well that's not the same. More than half the price. Sure.

SPEAKER_01 31:10

Yeah. I'd I'd have a half-price Moser and then I'd sell it for profit and then buy a Laurent Ferrier. So that's uh that's fun. Anyway, onwards. Uh Justin, should we do you and your JLC Duometre?

SPEAKER_03 31:23

The Duometre. Um look at her. There she is. 42 mils of her, 42 mils of her. Rose Gold. Green Dal. I was just wonderfully excited to see this, honestly, when it was in there.

SPEAKER_01 31:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:36

Um I've always been tempted by the watch, I must admit. They do a smaller version, so this is the larger. They they do smaller. And typically in chronograph 40. You've got the wrist for a 42, though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I I feel I feel I feel comfortable with it. Um, I've only ever seen, believe it or not, one duamet in the wild. And I remember exactly, I don't know if you guys ever have this, but I remember exactly where I was when I saw this guy wearing it at this cafe who sat there with a friend, and I spotted it. I was just I was on my line, stopped at the lights, and there it was. And I thought, wow, that looks brilliant. And again, one of the reasons I loved it, maybe was because it was unexpected, just because you don't see many of them. And not only that, but it is the watchmakers, watchmakers, watchmaker. I think we touched on when I got it, which is to say that apparently all the watchmakers at GLC find this to be their favorite model because it's so sort of technically interesting, it's so sort of um, you know, the the volumes, I think they don't produce as much necessarily just because of the complexity of production of certainly not reversers and other things. It was interesting a couple years ago they they relaunched it. So this is the old version. I think this one's from 2017, this particular model. Whereas in recent years they've they've adjusted it, but the pricing has gone up significantly. But this is £20,000. And I would challenge anyone to come at me with an option for £20,000 that has this type of architecture, this type of in-house uh movement manufacturing with uh you know double barrel.

SPEAKER_01 32:56

It's a highly complicated risk.

SPEAKER_03 32:58

It's highly complicated, dual, dual, dual, dual time, this particular reference. Um but also in German silver. So they stopped making in the new versions, the movements are no longer German silver. And I love how aged that that that looks. Don't ask me anything about the movement um sort of so the ring here, although this different cities, or even the the globe. Let me actually activate it, Salim, just because this is, you know, and I have worn this by the way, and I'll tell you why. This will give it away that I have actually worn this one, and I've worn it out the house as well. Is that you wind it up and wind it down, and you can You're a hero, Justin.

SPEAKER_02 33:32

Hold on.

SPEAKER_03 33:33

You can see the power reserve here. So la flanking the globe itself, this sort of 3D globe, are the power reserves that you have to wind down and up to power. And you've got the blue um uh flamed hands here uh on the second time zone, and this power reserve and gold on the right. So you've literally got the left and the right. And I love the grained dial. I love this running seconds, which I just find to be so beautiful that it perfectly uh tracks around the perimeter, and you've got this sort of step dial going on as well, which I really liked.

SPEAKER_01 34:07

Um if that was if that had a sona on the dial, how much do you think that watch would cost?

SPEAKER_03 34:14

I think it would be in the secondary market for 50 or 60. You know, I still think the sizing is is a lot of tad is tad big, which which Langer, for the most part, in its modern incarnation, is probably a tad big across the board. But yeah, 60,000. I mean, this is like what's that? The the Richard Langer, you know, the Richard Langer um of the that that vibe. That's kind of where you're at with it. I was just blown away with the build quality. I mean, the quality of this thing. Look at the case. So the salt the lugs are soldered, soldered on. It's it's it's a beautifully brushed central uh case. The crown is really easy to use, and again, really lovely to wind. It's all there. It's it's all there. What's wearability like? I was happy to wear it. You know, I I I took it off at night, put it next to the bed, excited to wear it the next morning. Normally I don't think that maybe says something about where I was at with the connection. Yeah. That we didn't sleep together. Uh as a result, yeah, I probably haven't connected in the way that I would have done. And I've done it, you know, which is good because we're trying to sell that after you've uh what I would say, interestingly. Some people would pay more for that. What I would say is that the the one thing that really put me off, uh, I didn't like the buckle. So I didn't like how bulbous that is. It's just way too bulbous. Bulbous, there we go. It's the word of the trap. Bulbous fresh and uh but what what I would say is that this there's a creakiness that goes on with this strap because the strap is is pretty much unworn. Yeah, um it's got a new real squeak to it. I thought I had a rodent infestation um in my bedroom uh because I was hearing this puppy squeak when I freaked it on the side. Um and and and I don't know if that's gonna change over time, but it just was squeaking a lot.

SPEAKER_01 35:55

You get that every time you get a new strap on a little bit.

SPEAKER_03 35:58

But it was it was on the it was on the bars itself. So that that bothered me a little bit. The bucket bothered me. The strap eye would immediately change. I mean, there's no two ways about that, immediately change. But other than that, I just thought it was it was really lovely. And again, for 20,000, can you give me an option? Uh 20,000.

SPEAKER_02 36:14

This is what I've just been thinking about. And uh, you raised a really good point about if langer was on the dial. I think like you come into sub-dial tomorrow, you've got 20,000. Yeah, we've got a rose gold Langer one on the table, which is I'm gonna call it 20,000, might be 22, might be whatever. Like you could pick either of those and really like you're getting complication. Like, this is Jelsey's maybe far more impressive in many other ways. But I can't help but feel that there's a Langer One you can come away with, which has all the other amazing finishing German silver, everything you just mentioned.

SPEAKER_03 36:44

I'm with you on that entirely. That's that's that's that's the watch to go forward. Your budget with your 20 year. But look at this. Like, look at so you can go forwards, so you're jumping forward, your second time zone is jumping forwards. So funny. And you're jumping backwards. If you press a button, it's just a big thing. You're jumping backwards and you're getting the globe rotating. Someone get that many.

SPEAKER_00 37:01

I actually like the globe rotating.

SPEAKER_03 37:02

The globe's rotating and you're going up and you're going backwards.

SPEAKER_00 37:05

I think what you're trying to say is actually the complication you're getting at that moment.

SPEAKER_03 37:09

And that's the balance. So I'm off to I'm off on a trip, end of this week. And so I set it to that time zone because I was thinking, okay, I don't have anyone, you know, I've not got family that I need to trap with elsewhere. So I'm not really utilizing this to its fullest. But I did like that. And I was checking in on the time. It's very satisfying the jump. Again, it comes back to the build quality. I just think is fantastic. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 37:29

Really like this. I think there's a future episode where we talk about um sort of unsung JLC heroes. We were talking about the other one.

SPEAKER_03 37:39

Yeah, Christ almighty. Where's it gone? Here it is. Oh no, it's not. It's not there. Uh, it's because Selim sported already. That's not on the TMM. Ultra thin on Master Control. There it is, there it is, there it is. Here it is. So I think this is probably 35 millimeters. Yeah. This is a master control. That profile is truly one of the most elegant I I've ever seen.

SPEAKER_01 37:58

And we saw it this morning.

SPEAKER_03 38:02

Yeah. So at the time of this caliber coming out, it was the world's thinnest. And it's just strikingly beautiful. And I think that is all of the history of GLC. And this is going to sit you about five grand. So I must I must say, maybe it's just my personal aesthetics, but if I were coming in and I had 20,000 budget and I had a GLC in mind, I would have probably been leaving with that. And then I'd be able to do that. And then I'd leave with a and I'd have a lovely ribeye, fatty ribeye staying up. And I and I well, if I had spent my full budget, I likely wouldn't be getting out of the car park because I wouldn't be able to get out. Because that would, you know, that's the way I tend to work. It's all or nothing. If I spent my full 20 grand, I literally have nothing left in the account. So quite frankly, I'm rocking up back home with this on the wrist, 15k in the back pocket, a rubber stake in the gut, and a parking fine. Uh enjoying this. Sounds like a great day.

SPEAKER_02 38:52

I I was I loved seeing you two looking at this watch as we were as we were looking at. Like, I don't think it's 5k. Like, how much is it? Is it 5k?

SPEAKER_01 39:03

I mean, you're asking me like I I should know. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 39:06

But these two, they were so excited looking at the movement, looking at the watch. Like it was it was quite amazing to see.

SPEAKER_03 39:12

Sunburst all. Time only. Does a watch need to be anything more than time only? It doesn't. Does it need to be? I mean, that's another story for another time. I legitimately don't think it does. Um, so the the the the the the the the Langer One, I love that Langer One for its power reserve and it's big day. I can get to that. But really, this is what you need. This is all you need.

SPEAKER_01 39:31

So there I am. I'm probably saying I mean this it's gonna cross over into our four core, but uh, there is uh a huge attraction to me to simplifying right down to like a two-watch collection, one dress, one sport. It would give me a lot of peace uh in my in my brain that just is constantly thinking about what if I do that and buy this. And I'd I'd love to step back from all of that.

SPEAKER_03 39:55

It's a bit like Steve Jobs and others who've sort of said that you know we need a uniform, so every day there's something less to think about. So he knew what he was wearing. And a bit like Toto Wolf, I think, with his breakfast. He knows wherever he is in the world, he's having the same breakfast every day. Total wolf.

SPEAKER_00 40:07

Toto Wolf, the um F1 Mercedes Total Wolf.

SPEAKER_03 40:12

An absolute alpha, probably the definition of a modern alpha alpha male, uh for all the good reasons. Yeah. Anyway, maybe not. But he double wrists, which is uh completely understandable. Um that's that's me and my Jew Man. So whomever leaves with it, look, I think we'll be ending we'll be leaving happy with it.

SPEAKER_01 40:28

Well, it's gonna go to someone that really appreciates uh appreciates complications in watches. And if you want a highly complicated watch, I think there's nothing that's that touches it for value.

SPEAKER_03 40:39

Look at that movement. Yeah. I mean, that's one of the most beautiful uh movements. It's stunning.

SPEAKER_00 40:44

It really is stunning.

SPEAKER_03 40:44

So it's like the Grand Canyon. Yeah, the architecture of that.

SPEAKER_01 40:47

We've got a lot to talk about today. I'm gonna I'm gonna move you, uh move on. Go on, go on to Jake.

SPEAKER_03 40:51

Go on, go on, move to Jake.

SPEAKER_01 40:52

And how did you get on with yours?

SPEAKER_02 40:55

The Grand Seiko. I really, really enjoyed it. Um, I probably I wore it every day, probably minus two. Okay. All day, every day. Um, certainly wearability, like super comfy. Um again, it's gonna link back to like the future bit of like when you look at the watchbox, what's in there? I I made sure I was wearing the Grand Takeo, but I I was trying to think about like how it fits into my collection and what that looks like. Um for many days where you're just like busy running around in London, like I just ticked all those boxes for me. Um I am kind of impressed of how much I'm enjoying the dial. Like, I I've I definitely got Grand Seiko uh limited edition fatigue. Yeah, like there's some brands that are guilty of this. I think Grand Seiko one of them, where it's like every month there's a new limited edition special dial. But like, if they're all limited edition, like none of them are limited edition.

SPEAKER_01 42:02

Yeah, agreed.

SPEAKER_02 42:03

And like, I know, like it's not you just in my head, you can't go to someone like, oh, it's only one of 200. And someone probably has like the exact same dial, maybe with the blue blue cue. Like, oh, mine's one or two hundred as well, and mine's one of 200, mine's what the same.

SPEAKER_03 42:15

I mean, it's so sad, isn't it? But it's one of 200, by the way.

SPEAKER_02 42:19

But that but that kind of that put it put me off the brand, I think, a little bit, because I was just like, oh, I'm just gonna have one of the millions of limited editions that they have. But actually, I love it. Like, I've really, really enjoyed the dial texture.

SPEAKER_01 42:34

I don't think at that price point anyone can touch them for dial quality.

SPEAKER_02 42:38

Yeah, it's it's really impressive. What is the price? Fantastic. Six, five or six, five or six, yeah. Yeah. So I I really love I love the case shape. I've always loved the elegance kind of line of this case shape. Um, I thought just because we were talking about it last time about the power reserve, so power reserve on the back compared to power reserve on the front. I found the power reserve on the back a bit pointless, maybe. Like, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 43:04

You'd rather not have a power reserve at the end.

SPEAKER_02 43:06

It's fine. It just it's not as useful as having a Langer One and seeing it day to day. So I I think I'm team on the front, but just make it look good rather than hiding it.

SPEAKER_01 43:14

On the snowflake one where it where the the snowfall is sort of swept out of the way for the power reserve. That's a lovely execution. Is it on the front or the back? It's on the front.

SPEAKER_03 43:25

It needs to be part of the design, doesn't it? Yeah, anyone does it. On the front of the dime, doesn't it?

SPEAKER_02 43:29

Yeah, beautiful, rather than just on the front or hidden away for me. Um, yeah, spring drive, like it is really, really cool to see the um the second hand move. I I instantly put it to a strap rather than the did you try the bracelet? I did for the way home. I my viewers, it was very shiny. Yeah. Like I don't know how else to describe it. I actually feel that way about the post Zenith Daytoners with the steel bezel and this polished centerlinks. Like, they're just really shiny. Shiny. Um, and I don't think I don't think I need that in my life. So, yeah, really smart. It's it's definitely made me consider getting Grand Seca. There's a couple of others. Uh, your friend, I'll say our friend, Steven, has that kind of like stony colored dial. I'm really intrigued to see that in person.

SPEAKER_03 44:18

Um, the American market is so further ahead in its appreciation for Grand Seiko in my mind. They've done such an amazing job of getting into the US space. Whereas I feel like we're still quite a we're still, you know, we're not we're not there yet. Like it's got all the characteristics brand-wise that should appeal. I I love the connection to nature, I love the Japanese links, I love all of that. But I'm just not emotionally attached to the brand yet.

SPEAKER_02 44:42

Does the word Seiko put most people off?

SPEAKER_03 44:46

Not me personally. And the fact it's graphic.

SPEAKER_01 44:50

But like in mass market. Yes. I think Joe Public would rather Rolex. We've spoken before about they'd like to see a Rolex for their wrist right now.

SPEAKER_02 45:00

We've spoken before about having to explain what's on the wrist. Oh, it's about the Geneva seal. Oh, it's like it's it's one of those again, isn't it? I've got no, it's not a Seiko, it's a Grand Seiko. I will say two brands, King's.

SPEAKER_00 45:12

The person who buys a Grand Seiko over a Rolex is not the person who wants other people to be looking at their mass market like adoption.

SPEAKER_02 45:20

I understand exactly.

SPEAKER_00 45:21

But so I I have a friend who's a who's who's a GP, a very good friend from uh university, and he was looking to buy his first nice watch. Um, and he went for a Grand Seiko uh cherry blossom because he he he didn't want the instant recognizability of a Rolex, he didn't want the flashiness, he didn't want patients to see it on his wrist and feeling, you know, he was seeing people all day every day who may not be in as fortunate a position as him. And for him, buying that um cherry blossom was a watch that he could connect with that didn't have that external stigma with it as well. Um, and I think that's a really good place for Gran Seiko to be. And I I wonder whether they actually really want to be in that mass market. Having seen having been to Japan quite a few times and seen the Japanese ethos about you know being quiet and quality and working hard. Um it just doesn't quite fit in with the the Rolex kind of um mentality in a way. Um so I I I think it they are quietly happy in where they are in the market. Hugely loyal following, those that love it, those that are interested in it. And they defend it, they defend it viscerally. Viscerally, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a great looking thing. It's a great looking thing.

SPEAKER_02 46:38

I I feel like I feel this is true of all of us. We've owned and worn enough watches that the second a new watch is on your wrist, you can kind of just feel like this is good, this is bad, this fits in, this doesn't. Um, and that that was certainly something when I had the show pard 1860. Like when I first put it on, I was like, oh, like we're we're here. I didn't realise we were here. Um, I feel I think this feels great. Like as just a daily, usable, solid watch. Uh I was really impressed. I kind of want to try one on precious metal. Yeah, I'm very curious.

SPEAKER_01 47:10

That's still they make very few of them and they're very expensive. They're very expensive of retail. Yeah, they don't hold their value.

SPEAKER_02 47:17

They're quite cheap on Chrono 24 at a subdial near usually.

SPEAKER_01 47:21

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 47:21

Yeah, um, so yeah, I'm super, super impressed. Um, I also don't really have a white dial watch. So I like that added to the watch box, which is something I have to think of. Do you prefer?

SPEAKER_03 47:33

Do you prefer black dots generally?

SPEAKER_02 47:35

I don't think I usually do.

SPEAKER_03 47:38

But black dolls on sports watches and lighter dolls on dress watches are I found to be I think that makes a lot of sense. A bit of a headspace thing. Um but I guess we're we're gonna get into it. So then I'm very, very grateful.

SPEAKER_01 47:49

So thank you, Jess. I think that was just the right amount of informative uh for us to sort of move on to the the the core topic.

SPEAKER_00 47:57

And maybe I'll maybe I'll set this set this up because I think we've had a justin, we you know, we we have a WhatsApp group and it just we're I mean, most of it is actually Justin just firing watches off Chronic 24 at us. Just watches that you've never heard before, never seen before, will you know, most uh like this items? Or or or a core we all ignored because we knew it was just uh flash in the pan of just but we didn't even need to play a veto card. We didn't, we didn't, we just all ignored it and it went it went away on its own.

SPEAKER_03 48:30

Yeah, it's nothing that hurts quite as bad as putting something on or what circuit and getting nothing back. Yeah, she put it up there, no light, there's no hearts, there's no negativity, which would be something, but just nothing. Just nothing.

SPEAKER_01 48:40

Anyway, yeah, it was just a random brain fart, wasn't it, from from uh from from Justin. Yeah, just forget it happened and it'll go away.

SPEAKER_00 48:49

Delete, but one thing that you did mention a few days later. One one thing you did mention, Justin, is um is a talk and watches episode uh by Matt Jacobson and Hadinki, um, which was really brilliant. And I I mean I've seen that one quite a few times. And if anyone hasn't seen that, just go watch that episode. And also, um I mean Stephen Paulin's now got two shout-outs, but he did a Hadinky radio uh episode with uh Matt Jacobson as well, where he talks a lot more about his uh collecting ethos. And one thing he said uh in the Talking Watches, which struck with me and something that I'm seeing a lot in the collector community at the moment, is he said he found himself uh amassing a collection, and he used the word amassing as uh many, many, many watches, and then he refined, and he refined down to I think a core of about eight watches where he had he had to be very, very strict, very disciplined with the collection. And if something was coming in, it had to be better than something in the collection and it had to be replaced. Is it six watches? I think it was eight. I'm confident, it's eight. Is it eight?

SPEAKER_02 49:59

I think I've I haven't watched that every six months for the last 10 years. There you go.

SPEAKER_00 50:04

So it's it's eight watches, and if something comes in, so for example, he had a uh a lovely Comex submariner, and he wore it all the time, he loved it, he talked about that, but then a mill sub came up that he wanted, and he had to get rid of the Comex. And and that discipline and having a core of your collection that you um that you have, I think struck a chord with me and it got me thinking about my collection and a core of our collection. And we all then started talking about having maybe a four-watch core of our collection and four-watches that really, really are the cornerstones, things that we would like to think have longevity within the collection, the best that we could curate, and perhaps building around that core four, whether we then built a six or eight, or just keep it as that core four, because one thing I think as the collection gets bigger and bigger and bigger, you can't wear the watches. You just can't wear a collection of 20 watches, it just doesn't work. So I then put it to you guys. It might work for someone if you're double wristing and you're wearing three watches a day, then it might work. So I put it to you guys. What is your core four watches at the moment? Why is it your core four? And I've got here two watches, so I don't have a core four right now. I think I've got two watches that I'm confident with at the moment, and I'm looking to build another two watches there. And this can almost be a bit of a complete my collection for me, where I get feedback from the three of you and maybe some viewers as well, as to what can be added to this core of two to make it into a core four. So um I think Tim, everyone has been crying out for to look at Mr. Tim Green's collection. So to pop the nose into the box.

SPEAKER_01 51:59

Oh, yeah. I mean and can I just that's that's a funny visual. Uh can I just say like he knows what he's doing? Yeah, I know. It's a lovely box, though, just to be clear. It's beautiful people. I also collect watch boxes. I've got uh bloody 25 of them, and they're all ridiculous. But anyway, uh this is uh Smithson. Yep. Um, five watch collection because I couldn't quite figure out how to get down to four, but I'd like your views on that. I I I I've just I've been in watches for a long, long time, and I've got them everywhere. Uh they're just it I I it stresses me out that I have so many, and they're everything from a hundred quid T so to uh, you know, you'll see some big watches in here, and um and it it it's it's not actually a happy place for me, but I'm I'm really busy, and so these things just collate and then I drop them down, and you know, I've got all sorts. So I've tried to find four or five that I really enjoy that bring me happiness, but I but I do want to say that you know I I I I'm in a bit these are these are important to me, but in a the click of a switch, I would get rid of them for the right reasons. I'm coming up to a a time when my kids' education is costing me an awful lot of money. And if I have two watches uh that are, you know, I don't know, 20 grand in value together, and I know that I've done the right thing as a father, that I'll do it. I don't do not care enough about these things. Like they're they they mean a lot to me from an enjoyment perspective, but there is at a priority level in my life, they're very low. I I like them, but you know, and they uh you know but let's jump into it.

SPEAKER_03 53:53

We've also been just super curious about this with Tim, I think. Like all of us, you know, we feel like we know you a little bit. Yeah, but we we also feel like we no one knows you. No one ever really knows you. Tim, but you're sly and I think looking into the box because you've you've had so many watches, like almost whenever we talk about something new, it's like, oh yeah, I I did have one of those at one point. I had that, I mean the lots.

SPEAKER_01 54:11

I bought one of these watches this week, so you know it just reflects my current mentality.

SPEAKER_03 54:16

There are some watches that may appear, then it's fair to say that actually could have been watches that from the past have featured again and again and again and come and gone. Yeah, that's interesting, and so you keep going back to them.

SPEAKER_01 54:26

Let's let's let's let's delve into Tim's watchbox. Um right, wow, yeah. So you've seen it before, uh Salomi sneaky. What on earth is that uh submariner? Which one? Yes, that is a submariner, flat four, and that's the that's the newest edition, actually. This is something that uh came through Subdal, and I thought, do you know what? In my core collection, it's all a bit expensive, uh which is great, until you want to go mountain biking with my kids, like I did this week, and you're like, Well, I don't want to put any of those on to go through a woodland, you know, uh there's a high probability that my centre of gravity is a little bit smaller than it used to be, and it's a high probability I might fall off, and I don't really want to damage these ones. Uh there we go. Uh to people, we'll we'll add some B-roll. Um, so yeah, so let me talk you through it. Sontray, we know I harp on about it like a broken record. It's awesome. Molopouswa. This is uh a watch that I've had in and out of my collection for a long, long, long, long time. Uh and I I always want to have one in my collection.

SPEAKER_02 55:41

I want to ask you a question that you might not answer.

SPEAKER_01 55:43

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 55:44

I think I was there or around when you bought your first one.

SPEAKER_01 55:48

I don't think you were. Second one.

SPEAKER_02 55:50

Maybe. What did you you were? I want to know what you paid for his first one.

SPEAKER_01 55:54

I think I paid £10,000 for my first one. Maybe 11. Yeah, £45 now. £50? I think they're £50. There are none on the market. Ever since they um Watches and Wonders, where they brought out the red version of that, everyone vacuumed up. And I think Watch Brothers London listed one at £45, and it went before it even pressed send on the post.

SPEAKER_03 56:17

It's where did this one come from, didn't it?

SPEAKER_01 56:18

Just UK or uh the UK. Yeah. Yeah, UK. Um, yeah, from memory. It's a it's a lovely full set. I want to keep a decent example in my watch collection because I I think they are probably one of the most beautiful Cartier watches, if not any watch ever made. Certainly, that's how I feel about them. It's amazing. It's it's beautiful. Not everyone likes the big 12. I think it's very quirky and very near vintage.

SPEAKER_03 56:51

I've got to say, I hated it for a long time. Yeah. I'm actually now looking at it and thinking.

SPEAKER_01 56:54

Put that on. With that. I actually quite like it. I I'd argue that there's no watch that looks better with that with that blue-white combination. This is a problem. The strap the strap is not right. It's struggling. I'm struggling. Oh, there we go, there we go. You've got to put your finger under it there. It's absolutely phenomenal. We we've had a podcast before with uh with Mr. TGE, and um, and I've I went into depths of why I think it's so important. So I won't go over old ground, but it is incredible. I love it. Never mind all the THA stuff. Objectively, it's beautiful, I think. Uh then I've talked about my white gold. I wanted to have a bracelet watch in here, and the reality is I would choose that over a submariner every day of the week, unless I'm doing something that's a little bit high octane, high risk. You know, uh, I don't really want to be scratching the life out of this, but I think it's it's that that's my bracelet watch of choice. Um the datagraph, original datagraph. Um, yeah, this is an interesting one. I've picked this up fairly recently too, because they're going a bit crazy in value, and I I love them. Uh I I've just I've just never actually owned one, and I want to spend some serious time with it. What have you thought about it since you've owned it? I love it. You love it. I've I I'm fortunate and I know I know your wrist is smaller than mine. It it fits my wrist, and I love the creaminess of the subdials. I think the blue hands on the subdials are kind of funny. It doesn't match the design language anyway.

SPEAKER_03 58:30

But I don't like that on you at Ursula. No, I remember you had one for a bit, and I I still don't like it on you.

SPEAKER_00 58:34

So I I owned a good datagraph, and the I I thought this was gonna be my end watch. Yeah, it was just gonna be a platinum datagraph first gen was gonna be my end watch. I I I picked it up from you, actually, Tim. Yeah. Um I'm trying to think of how much I paid at the time. I think about 45.

SPEAKER_01 58:51

Yeah. Um, I picked that up recently for 55, maybe 56. Yeah. So a little that full set. But it seemingly they're going crazy. And I just I I wanted one enough that it's kind of a now or or never.

SPEAKER_00 59:07

I I could just never, I could never get it to fit on my on my wrist. It just it's so potbellied. Um, it is it's so potbellied at that back of that. There's something quite Germanic about it.

SPEAKER_01 59:17

It is that I I forgive it for that. It's it's not at you. The moment exceptional. Uh this you know, a bit like wearing a zeitwork. I I'm not buying it as an alternative to a tank Louie. It's it's a completely different thing. And like the duo Metra, I love the architecture of um, you know, the design. Just it all comes together as something that's highly complicated.

SPEAKER_03 59:45

That movement emotionally to me does something. Yeah. Like I look at that moment and it makes you feel a bit weaker than need. And I'm not sure it gets better. I mean, you know, we're in a period where we're seeing some amazingly beautifully finished dress watches from independence. Yeah. And I still look at that and I think that does something to me in a way that almost none of them do.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:02

Yeah. Like yeah. And so that yeah, then the last one is obviously this flat four Kermit, which you guys are probably gonna slate. I it it weirdly.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:12

I can't ever imagine you in that. I can't ever imagine you in that.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:15

It's quite a nice watch to go, you know, you go in crabbing with the kids or whatever, uh, and you chuck it on, and I'm not worried about it getting wet, whatever. I just wanted a beta, and I and this one's a beta which has got this nice little quirk that you know flat four. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:32

That was my dream watch for a long time. There you go.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:35

And your name, your username.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:36

Yeah, it was on Flat Four. And it the reason that I chose that as my username is because it's always fascinated me that the Flat 4 bezel commands such a premium. In the same way, you know, we're talking about Frogfeet and Bart Simpson, and you know, I I never really understand the floating dials and all of that, how much of a premium they command. And it's fascinated me. And so that this one came in, it was a great price, and I just thought, yeah, why not? You know, now or never. How much are these? Sorry, these these. Well, I just said um there around 550 at the moment.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:11

Yeah. And and some people might get into comments about the sort of pump that's going on. Sorry, I'm jumping from the this one's back here. No, but is that legitimate? Is that a concern? What is that? Because the quality's here.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:20

I think quite quite obviously it's a pump. Um, but you know, whether I just I just wanted to be on on the train, on the train. Because because I I really wanted to own one. I think the watch is really important from a horological history perspective. What that did to the market, making Patek stand up and pay attention to a brand that they weren't paying attention to before, and now they've raised the whole game. It's I think the beginning of the in-house movement um uh trend because Lange showed them exactly what could be done. Everyone else just sort of phoned it in and gave ETA or come or Lamarnia a call. And then they were, you know, they just quietly did that.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:06

I mean, they did it quietly in the German way, but they they they they did proper FU. I mean, yeah, they literally can imagine the night before the show, like thinking we've got this to launch tomorrow. Like we are gonna absolutely blow you fuckers out of the water, like for lack of ability.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:20

And the stories that people tell about when that did when that did come out. I mean, so it's the L951.1 movement in there, which is the the the in-house Langer chronograph, which is as an architecture, and the depth you get of that is is better than every single chronograph out there. The only chronograph I've seen recently that comes near to that is Retchep's new chronograph. Um honestly, that that is that's incredible.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:46

Um why did they change the size?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:48

Um, so so this is 39 millimeters. Um yeah, and then they up down to 41.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:55

Um, but what they did do actually is if you put the 41 on wrist, it it is a little bit more comfortable. The way this does, I said potbellied before, is it does it does come down a bit.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:06

I'm surprised you didn't say bulbous.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:08

It's bulbous, yeah, yeah. It is shroom-like. It is, it doesn't quite fit and sit as flat on the wrist as you would you would like. Is that because the the the bottom's quite sort of it just comes, it just protrudes, it protrudes, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:23

It's about two thicker than the 1815 chronograph, which has got the same movement but without the big date complication. And yeah, a lot of people prefer I've I've had an 1815 chronograph, I've had a few of them. I I don't prefer one or the other. I think that one has its own aesthetic and thickness doesn't necessarily ruin it.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:45

No, I I love that on the wrist, the comfort, the the sense of pressure. On the wrist for it, I love that. I really do. The only thing I would say is I've I've said publicly before that the the Langer one should be the only Langer with a big date. Yeah, that's sort of quite divisive. And I'm not sure I entirely stand by it, but in my mind for a long time I thought that works there, yeah, but I'm not absolutely sure it works there. But now that is an important, that's an important watch. That's an important watch.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:10

It is, and and I think as a collective, I'd argue that apart from maybe the submariner, which should be in there, these are all important in their own way. The Santre is the modern version of a watch that was ridiculously oversized when it first came out. Sleek, slender, shapely. The polo is ostentatious, but I love this sort of stealthiness take on that. If it was all yellow, I wouldn't wear it quite so much. I love the fact that it's as impressive in white gold, but only you know that it's got that all gold value. And quite rare. That that combination.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:48

I could see you with the the monopoussoir. The monopousrois and and and and the Pioget is a two-watch collection online. Just because to me, those are the two watches I associate with you actually. Yeah, more so than anything else.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:58

That that monopoussoir is really quite impressive in the metal. It's cool, eh? It's really, really impressive.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:04

And it's the right size compared to the the chonka over there. I mean, you've had these two before. Yes. And there's a picture which you still share every time. That's probably my most um popular photos ever on Instagram. It's these two together. Or audio only. Yeah, which is the the Monopoussoir and the 5065 Aquinaut. Because I I actually think that's unbeatable as a two-watcher. And I don't know what I'm doing buying all this other crap. But uh I could have just hung up my boots.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:34

But is that not part of why this is so exciting? Is the idea that curating, coming down, reducing is exciting and makes you feel good.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:42

But so he's his I I would love to swap the 5065 or the 5066 for Submariner and that being my sort of steel sports watch. But they are becoming very, very, very expensive again. And I uh would you take that mountain biking or cramming or you know. This kind of dad stuff, I don't I don't think I would.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:05

At the moment, I'm struggling with the buckle because for some reason the buckles are popping. Whenever I'm holding my daughter, it's it's popping open, and that's making things even more. Because that one still is weak. Yeah, the new buckles. We can have we can have a little look at that.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:17

They must be tightened a little bit, I think.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:18

So the new buckles are better, the the way you have to squeeze them. So this is just kind of a friction fit. Um, I mean, I owned a 5066, and and uh we'll talk about that when I come to my core. And I I actually just loved wearing it doing anything. It was just um it's cool, comfortable.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:33

It's it's a cool watch, super comfortable. I really regret selling my Japan edition. Yeah, I should never have sold it, but they became a lot of people. I'm pretty sure I said to you that at the time I said you should not sell that. So I I I'd love feedback though. I mean, apart from you know the mistakes that I've made, many of we've all been there, but I make more than most.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:52

I find it interesting you've got no Patek in your collection.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:54

Well, I've got Patek in my collection.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:56

It's just not in the core.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:58

It's not in the core.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:58

Doesn't make the core over a Piaget.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:00

I struggle with Patek at the moment because I I I think at the moment they have nothing really apart from the 5610 that I really, really want. And um the stuff that I've got, uh I like it, but I'll I'll never have the Pat X that I really really want. Which is uh 24.99. It's 24.99, or it's you know, even uh even a uh 5970p. Whereas these are the Cartiers that I want, that's the Piaget I want, that's the Langer I want, but PATEC I've I've got some and they're they're great, but they're not the Patek that I really want. If I had a 5970p, it would be in that box. But I'll I'll never have one.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:47

And that's the that's the most exciting thing for me in this particular journey is what's the reference? Yeah, what's the reference? And that we you know intuitively, I actually don't like a modern, I don't like the modern aquanaut. I wouldn't want a modern aquanaut, but for me, that is a different beast, and that's the reference. Yeah, that's the one to have.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:02

So well, maybe we can jump into yours then while you're picking up the aquanaut there, because you've got, I mean, you've got a load of watch in front of you, but you've got you've brought with you your four core.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:11

That's not part of the four core, that's not.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:13

Um you brought with you your four core. Yeah, my four core boundary.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:16

Yeah, I just for me, like the curation part of it, it's just so exciting. And I've talked about the different boxes as well at home. Like there might be um, if you're fortunate enough to have stuff that's more playful, that's not necessarily super, super expensive, then you might have a B box, then you've got the A box. At the moment, just because of where I'm at, and I blame you guys for this because the sizing adjustment that's gone on for me in the last few years has been significant downward. I'm not the only one out there that's that's gone through that journey, Jim. But do you mean to say you're grateful to us guys? I'm just saying I'm being influenced. I'm being influenced by you. I'm not sure I like it, but no, I I I legitimately feel like I'm feeling better for the sense that these feel just so good to me on the rest of the state. That's incredible. You know, it just feels so good to me that the thinness, the the the the thinness of these watches from the 80s, uh we've got a day date moon phase owl, uh raw low here, 36mm, 5065, 38 millimeters, but just the thinness of these two sports watches, there's a connection on the watch box. And Jake, you you you were sort of giving me the eyes before this, and you're like, I'm not sure. All of this is because this all works together to me in a box, which is to say I look at this Soltorello, this is from the 90s. This is Vascheron at its very best. If I were to people might say, Where's the 1921? The 1921's still very much here, but this is the definitive Vashron to me. With the retrograde aspect, with this proprietary case that was only used for this particular model, the base, the base GLC in there, with that audacious level of finishing. It's so unexpected.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:48

They feel similar, like maybe the Aquinaut and the Vorloke are probably worn on the same day, and these would be worn the same day. Like if you if you if you wear a black tie, what one are you wearing?

SPEAKER_03 1:09:59

There is definitely a theme, and that's that's where the satisfactions come from is that sense of I wanted to see them all coming together. Not at the risk of um sort of substituting something that's trying to fit it in when it's not right, but just because out of all the Royal Oaks, like I have had a 15202 in the past, and I think now I'm enjoying this a lot more. This Platinum Langer One is the other model. So we've got two dress watches, one platinum, one yellow, from two brands that I feel very closely associated with. And then we've got the sports watches that are sort of off a pair.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:31

Can I tell you why I think I'll tell you why I think you feel that way? And I think it's because uh these are too um too common on Instagram, and I see Royal Oaks in in in some sort of iteration every single, every time I open my my feed, I see a royal oak of some iteration or or an aquinaur, which is of some iteration, and there's so there's so much in the collector's focus at the moment. For me, the Soltorello, I think is amazing, and because it's interesting. You know, it makes me think to myself, there's something there that I I don't know. There's something that I want to see. The lugs of the the case, the lugs. It's just it's just an amazing, amazing watch. And it's it's interesting, it's really interesting. It's a jewel, it's an absolute jewel. But it tells me something about you. Yeah, it tells me something about you, um, which I feel that the royal oak and the aquinault don't in a way, because it feels like almost, and I don't want you to take this in the wrong way, but just in the way that almost anybody who has Instagram could could think, oh, okay, there's an aquinault and there's a royal oak. And I know you've got twists. You've got twist. There's not a twist on each. There's a twist on each, but that's that's the only reason. Whereas if I look at Tim's, it's almost, I feel like the benchmark. You've got it feels like it can't get better. You've got the best in trade, or the what you've you've got the two best car chase you can get here. You've got the best that Langer can make, you've got the best that Piaget can make. Yeah. And a submariner.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:08

Yeah, and a submariner, which yeah, this I know, but it's it's the dead watch. It's a dead watch.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:14

So so that's the only pushback I would say.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:16

Do you think if Justin's Piaget was here that that fits in, and maybe even the sport auto. I think if you I think of those two watches as you, if it was six watches and those two are in, maybe I'd feel like maybe I've maybe I am sort of wedded more to this this whole, like this idea of this.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:37

And and I should say as well, I think with these two, particularly these two less, because the the pricing on these is quite sort of uh insta unstable, like it's not as clear. Whereas I feel good about these two because in some ways there's that sense that I've gone on such a journey over the years, having so many watches. Speaking to Simon, like, oh no, we that's not the number, that's not the number. Now I feel like I should just wait. Now I know this is pretty sort of rock solid place to be. There's a little bit of satisfaction that comes with that. Not that I feel like these four are going anywhere, but it's always just nice to know that you're in a better place.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:07

May I give my two cents? Um it's it reminds me of your torp three ways collection, you know, because they're all very similar, they really have the same thing, even with your acronym, which a lot of people pair with the green or the black. You've put it on taupe, you know, a taupe, taupe, top. I wasn't gonna crave it top. Let's call it's let's call it taupe, shall we? Uh because that's what it's called. You could boil those four down to two, the saltorello and that one, yeah, and you wouldn't be missing anything. No, like you're still covering the same ground. I I do think there's something in what Jake said, which is that that Piaget with the orange stone is phenomenal, and it really makes it it provides something that the others don't. It doesn't, it's something completely additive and super special. And you should wear it more, man. Yeah, yeah. Oh God, that watch is so good.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:12

And I think this is this is this is part of the journey we've been on, is this idea of like how important is that sense of coherency to everything being the same sort of like this is where I'm at right now, in my mind at least. I'm wearing these as well, so I'm wearing them the whole time. So this is where I'm at. But then there's a part of me that, yeah, of course, the sport. I mean, I I wear that the whole time. Um, you know, that the Piaget, I don't wear very much, but I'd like to wear more. I should wear it more. Yeah, what else is there? I mean, the 1921, you know, fantastic as well. Uh, even the the Parmigiani, you know, they're all there and I do wear them. But there's a sense now, I don't know if it's obsessiveness or what, but that is, you know, that's yeah, that's it.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:50

I think wearability does say a lot. You know, being able to put on a watch, and that's that's one thing that that that I couldn't get on with with the uh datagraph. Yeah, is the wearability. It's not the most comfortable thing. It's not comfortable, and it honestly, after uh after a whole day of of wearing a big chunk of platinum, this arm's a little bit bigger than the other ones. This arm is a bit bigger, yeah. Um and but being able to have four really, really wearable watches is is it's great, you know, and special watches as well. Um yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:20

I mean, you know, the joy of wearing this, the the heft of this thing, uh it just brings me massive joy. Um doesn't come out actually as as much as I mean, these two, you know, these these two tick a lot of boxes when it comes to what I swim. I mean, this is the other thing, is it doesn't cover all boxes because the that sport has been the one for holidays with that screwdone crown in it, but more modern bill quality makes me feel more comfortable wearing that, thrashing it. I guess, Tim, in the way that you get with your sub. Yeah, you know, that sense that you can really throw it on, and yeah, that's what I get with that. But then, you know, there's a part of me that always has also thought, you know, I'd throw it all in for these two. Like I would almost throw it in for like, you know, I would almost throw it in for these two.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:01

Because they say enough, but not shout.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:04

You you could also swap out this 47101 and the 1016 and cover the same ground for you know, like less than 50 grand. That's where I, you know, like those two together.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:17

I love that as a pair. You chuck that in as well. Why not?

SPEAKER_01 1:16:21

Let's change that that's there. You go, six 60 grand. And you've got the diversity, the same amount of diversity, if not more.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:31

There's something satisfying because there's a theme, there's there's something satisfying in that thread that this is where you feel comfortable right now. My worry is that I have had quite an aggressive shift towards this. Is there a chance that in time that may change again? And that's a fear that we all hold, I guess. Is it perpetual? Can it be perpetual? Yeah. Well, well, let me tell you then.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:49

If something came in tomorrow that you would, you know, opportunity to buy a watch that you had always wanted, um which one of those four makes way for that? Which one is the quickest to uh or the the the most likely to drop out of the the Aquinour, the Royal Oak, the Soltorello, and the Langle One. Which one of those if we talk discipline and one in one out?

SPEAKER_01 1:17:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:15

Probably the Roll Oak because it's from a slightly earlier period of time, and you can see that this is the first Mark I execution dial. The subdial is a bit feathery, it's not quite as rock solid design-wise as this, or quality-wise, I mean better than this. So that probably would go. It brings me a lot of joy. And there's something about a Rollo, we've talked about this a lot, but the idea of Rollo just bringing you something different emotionally, physically, but that would probably go. I'm looking at this and I'm thinking, you know, that that that's an important watch. Um and I'm thinking, does it it doesn't really be something like that? But it's not, you know, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. You it's always in the mind. I mean, I do think what I should say, like none of this is bigger, and none of this is bigger than the really important stuff.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:06

I mean, the number of times watches got me out of holes, and we'll we'll do in the future. Same. Um, so I'm always thinking, I'm always thinking, um, is it you? Is it good value? Does it represent potential upside in the future? Yeah, I look at the saucer, and I think that that is a potential upside in the future as well, because those don't pop up. I've not seen one for sale for a very long time. And I think at 20,000, which is what I paid for it, I feel like there's loads more there to come. And I'm very enjoying wearing it at the moment. Yeah. But it's a full set, it's an immaculate thing, it's it's all there. Yeah. But that would be the one I would, that's the one I'd probably part with. Interesting. What about you, Sylvan? Where are where are you? With those? No. With me.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:47

Well, well, why don't I get on to myself uh last year? Because I've got two. So why don't I talk about Jay? Because you've brought four watches with you, haven't you?

SPEAKER_02 1:18:53

I have, but I I feel I feel we're in a similar place. Okay. Because I know you have more watches. Yes. I have a few more watches at home, but we've got and I so I feel like I've got two to three, and I'm I'm very wary of time. But I I feel like there's also the sentimental bit, which we spoke about last time, whether those watches make the core or whether they're just additional watches in the collection. Like your 1921 is not in your core, the Piaget is not in the core, you're less sentimental than some of us. I know, I think there's a couple in here. Well, there's definitely one in here that's not much more. The porn newman is not the porn. Not yet. Should be filling the whole one. Actually, there's no space there. Do you want to take that as well? Thanks. Is this is this going to start with the call? Yeah, half a broken.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:42

That's quite fun, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 1:19:43

So in here, let's I think no, let's start. Like for me, my Rolex Explorer will never leave my collection. And I actually think it's part of my core. Like, it's wearability, it's it just can't be triumphant for how I wear watches, how I enjoy watches. I'm about to constrict myself here. I prefer the 1016, and I've bought two 1016s, but I find it pointless having the overlap in the watch box. So when I own a 1016, I stop wearing this. I just wear a 1016, it's just as usable. But then, like, what a shame to have this in the watch box, which you've connected with and bonded with so much, and then to stop wearing it. So I think I've just decided that like this is part of my core, it's a 36mm Explorer. Maybe I'll get it engraved with something cool, which we spoke about in the past. That is 100% there. I would be happy with a two-watch collection. And for me, that is the 36mm Explorer and a Langer. Langer. Um I've obviously now got the Blue Doll Langer 1. I don't see this moving on anytime soon. And for me, these two are the two that I'm comfortable like. Core watches. What I would actually like to add to this as a part of a core is a yellow gold dress watch. That's like the main missing thing from the collection, in my eyes, is yellow gold dress watch. Not that. Um, like not the Langer. The I don't think it makes sense to be another Langer one. Like, I would like it to be a vintage Patek. Um 34, 35. So I asked for that to be on the table. So pass over this saundre. Uh yeah, come on, let's have a look at the soundtrae. So I'd like to see the Sontray on the Sunwatch. That works, that works perfectly for me. Yeah. Which is why we spoke about it in the bit of the past. And then the fourth is then always just a banging sports watch. So the explorer for like the daily sports watch, which is where the 1680 red comes in. So I think that works perfectly for like badass sports watch. We often, I think me and Salim are most alike in the sense there's always vintage Rolex and Langer. Like that as a pair always needs to be in the collection. Um, this could be like it's a new, it's a new purchase for me. I spoke about it in the previous episode. I'm really happy with it. I love it. But this is the one where like if a nice royal oak came up or maybe an astronaut came up, it would have to get chopped to kind of trade up to move into that. And I'm okay with that. Like it's just it's taking the position of core sports watch in the collection, but it's not the sentimental one because that's that's the explorer. So um, yeah, then the Speedy Tuesdays in here because I don't think it's ever gonna leave, but it's not really a part of my core.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:32

So where do you see the core going then?

SPEAKER_02 1:22:35

Uh so this this this I'll kind of like build it with this box. So exploring. Let's put the let's put this Casio in. And then I think it just needs, I think it needs a sports watch, but like a like the aqua dot. That's what I'd like to see.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:52

So Langer One, Explorer, yellow gold dress watch, big sports watch. That's how I see it.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:58

But I I don't know. I'm I'm kind of a big I'm a believer in less, but I'm also a believer of just having stuff that means something to you. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:08

And that balance works nicely. It does. You need a light style as well as a yellow gold. Because the ordeals are all quite dark.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:16

Yeah. Can I tell you a funny thing though about just total amount of watches? I would love first of all, I'd love to know the total amount of watches that Tim has. I don't know. I yeah, well, that's what that's what we need to find out. It's over 50. Oh, that's probably six months ago, maybe a year ago. I was like, I want to know how many watches I actually have in total. And I got to 42.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:38

And I was like, oh, 42 watches. That's how many of I've watched.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:40

Well, we're talking about swatches and everything. Like time.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:43

Cassios, all the rest of it. I got to 42. I was like, okay, that's how many I've got. Over the next fortnight, I then found another 26 watches. Where?

SPEAKER_00 1:23:56

But this isn't collecting, this is hoarding.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:58

This is hoarding. This is not anxiety. Speak to Tim, I'm not the biggest problem with it.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:04

So yeah, I was on 68 or whatever that is. But it was like, it was everything. And it's like just random stuff that enjoyed. I just thought I bought a couple of them. Because it's like myself. This this is this was my first watch. This is what I bought when my grandma passed away. I've got 200 pound inheritance. This is what I bought. Like, what's the point of selling this watch? I might get 30, 40 quid on eBay. No, I don't think you should sell it.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:28

No.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:29

This is this is the reason I'm now in mass infused.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:33

I don't know. I don't know why you wouldn't sell it. I I mean, are you talking to people? But what would be the benefit?

SPEAKER_02 1:24:40

I'd pay for lunch. I could sell it, I'd buy buy lunch one day. Like maybe gift it to someone. Well, that's what that's what I mean. Might as well keep it. This uh CWC. Yep. Brilliant. I love this. This is Royal Navy issued. I actually do wear this a lot. This is a bit of my sporting.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:55

Does it need to make sense, all of this? I think that's the big question. Because I think you and I wind ourselves up in our own mind about sometimes the need for coherency and structure. And does it need to even make sense? Like the fact this brings you joy when you pull it out of the thousand or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:09

But it's the it's it's the joy versus anxiety game, isn't it? But like I'm comfortable with what it's 100 quid. Maybe it's a little bit more. I paid 124 pounds. I think it's worth more these days. Essentially, Jesse gave me this for our one-year anniversary after we've been married. She said, go and buy a watch for me. And I'll put it in parkour. And yeah, just it's better. You can't scratch your bracelet with a parkour of this. Like, I know it brings me joy, but I prefer to have a core of like proper stuff that I'm collecting. Could look a little bit more like this. But no, I just thought I thought it was interesting, like the cut down, but actually, do any of us actually truly have four watches?

SPEAKER_03 1:25:47

Three to me. No. Barring the explorer, which I appreciate, it's cool. But those three have a real theme there. Like that's that's satisfying to my eye.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:55

If if we put your Aquinaut in a seven of the sun. How do we feel about that?

SPEAKER_01 1:26:00

Yeah, that's good. Because the Rolex is semi-cumoured, covered. I actually think the Aquinaut is the watch that all four of us need in our collection. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:09

Is that the cornerstone? But then I would I would argue Langer One for all of us is also important. Rolex is the Langer.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:16

Maybe that brings brings it to me then, into the and to my current conundrum. Because as you said, I've got lots of watches.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:23

Um your explorer's not here. My explorers not here. I'm assuming.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:26

I'm assuming Omegas, Speedmasters, etc. You know, uh other vintage Rolexes, etc. But I've bought two watches here that I think are the new core. Neither are LUCs. Neither of them are LUCs, but thank you to LUC for this.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:40

Uh they're gonna get a bi-weekly shout-out.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:44

So I've got two watches here, and um uh one of them is unexpected, and it's since the Karte experience. Um I now have this uh unbelievably rare and very, very cool Santostomo 1913, uh the 100th anniversary CPCP edition, which is just I mean, I've been wearing it for the last few weeks, and it's just on the wrist, it feels so good.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:11

It is one of the coolest Cartiers ever.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:15

You know. Are you sure about it? So, am I sure about it?

SPEAKER_01 1:27:20

That's an outrageous question. He's just said how much he loves it. You're like, no, no, no, because I know I know some of the things. You know the feeling.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:27

I know him well enough now, and and and I know that you know the feeling. So at the moment, I think to myself, what could I replace this with that would be better? If we think about Matt Jacobson's uh what would be better, right? And and there's there's a couple of things that that I think about, and the something missing is and what I've thought about is Patek, but not modern Patek at all. It would be something like a very strange shaped Patek. So that would almost fit with this kind of uh strange shape, but with uh like a stone dial or something. Um Um, you know, like a 37-33, the you know, the corrugated steel roof pad that I really loved. Um but the the elegance, the thinness, the the colour, the the the bregay hands, the dial on this, I actually don't know if I would prefer to have this or the or the or a padek. And so for now I think this is gonna be in there as part of the core as an elegant dress watch.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:29

Um the the if you were to try and translate the the rarity of that into a pad, you're talking hundreds of thousands of pounds. And and so I I love the fact that that's not hundreds of thousands of pounds, but it's to to me in to my eyes as important. Yeah, it's a very, very cool watch.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:50

It's it's it's very cool and it w it wears so well on the wrist, um, which I think is is really important. And we talked about kind of proportionality and being able to wear a watch rather than the watch wearing you. Um and I put it on a on a pin buckle, a cartier pinbuckle because uh I just I really don't get on with deployance.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:09

No, cartier deployants are not the best. The amount of scar tissue I have on the underside of my wrist from pinching my skin.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:16

Yeah, but yeah, yeah, but you know, it just it just wears so well on the wrist, it's so slim. Um, and I think it just gives you just that extra dimension. That sort of hermes pink skin look of that strap is absolutely poetry with that case. So so I I really like this. So I'm I'm gonna put this as part of my two watches uh for now. Fair play. Um I think much like you've had a uh uh a reaction to the Soltorello, is how I I feel about this at the moment, which is which is really, really great. Um my next one is I think as you mentioned, we love vintage Rolex. And I I don't think vintage Rolex gets gets better than this. Uh this is a 55-14 Comex submariner. Um it just it just doesn't get better. Bought from the diver. Where's the suit? Yeah, where's the suit? I've actually got the suit on the way. Um his dive suit uh is on the way uh to my house. Uh he's sending it, so I've managed to convince him. But to me, this is the the the pinnacle of vintage Rolex.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:19

Yeah, you know how we have a veto to buy? I want to keep vetoing Sam on that. You can't obviously not he needs to feed his kids, but like I don't think he does. Yeah. Uh like that just needs to stay in my eyes.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:33

Yeah, I mean, uh and you know, like you said, you wear your submariner kind of just mounted biking things. I wear this all the time to do all sorts, and it just feels so good on the wrist. And when I look down and see that helium escape valve on a submariner, I just it just feels so special. Yeah, yeah. So to me, that there's only two watches to me that could get better than this. Yeah, uh, one is uh a mil sub, which is I mean £100,000.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:02

Uh and the other is it would be a Comex logo dial, yeah, which is £140,000.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:07

So it uh you know it's not the value's not there. The added value is not there. The added value is not there for the stamp dial. I think it's cooler than it isn't. I think it's cooler than it isn't. Absolutely. Legitimately. Absolutely. I don't know what the balance was on some the ones that had versus that didn't have it, but I think the fact it does. Well, this is rarer.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:23

This is this is very, very early. This is a 1972, extremely early uh watch. Um, and interestingly, there's a there's a chap called uh Steve Moore who was recently on the Standard Age podcast, and uh he is uh a chap who collects um issued watches and comeks, etc. And I sent him the serial of mine, and it it amazingly it was right next to the serial of one of his 5514s logos, which is very, very cool. You know, right next to the you know, one off. Yeah, um, which just shows they made them in very, very small batches just in a row, sent them to comex, yeah. Uh, and that was it. And to be able to get your hands on this is just it it's incredible. Do you need anything more than those two? I actually don't think I do.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:06

I actually don't think I do. Because four is a number that's kind of like I think he does.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:10

He needs he needs he needs a langer for blue watches.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:15

He needs a langer. Yeah, like most of your substack is langer-centric. Yeah, like you're right, Langer buying guides, you've owned amazing ones. It's it's a crime. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:26

So in my four, so here's here's where I'm thinking for my next, for my other two. I want a sports watch, um, a modern sports watch, not a vintage sports watch. But I I I don't want a watch that is predictable. I just don't want a watch that's predictable that I could just feel and and this is what puts me off um uh a Royal Ache or an Aquinaut, is that I feel that they are the obvious choices because they're so good, they're such great watches, but it feels like it's the obvious choice to go for a neo-vintage aquinaut, especially nowadays.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:02

It's you're gonna buy a Moser, aren't you?

SPEAKER_03 1:33:04

Well, it looks good, doesn't it? It does look good. Yeah, here we go. 38 mil 50 fathoms. Yeah. Phenomenal.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:11

I mean, I I mean, BlancPan needs to just get rid of the engraving on the side of the case, they need to get rid of that 430 dates, they need to make it brushed.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:20

Let's let's press pause. Let's press pause. You can buy the dingy. Can I suggest then? I'm just gonna throw a couple out. I feel like your Cartier, the Comex, yeah. I think you should be adding in that mini Darth Langer. I do. And the blue that is available for sale, but the blue 3800. Yeah. But is the blue 3800 not not too? No, no, but let's entertain me. Yeah, is it Rolex Cartier Langer?

SPEAKER_03 1:33:48

Sometimes the good stuff is good, and they're icons for reason. And I think there's some joy to be had in that. I think this. Get that in two-tone with a with a champagne doll and a black date. That's my problem then is that it starts to compete with that visually, because to me that's quite jarring the idea of having that bigger case and then that smaller case. What sports watch would you put in to pair with it? I mean, I mean I mean, I'm I'm I'm sort of between these two. I actually think these two would be the perfect two-watch collection for you. Um, this is awesome because the story, and I love that as sort of a historically significant thing and an investment thing. But actually, those two for me, with probably that as a three, that's the holy tri factor. So the Cartier, the the Nautilus there, and the and the and the and the the Darth, the Mini Darth.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:36

I guess we should probably we've gone on a bit. We should probably pause there uh and invite comments because I mean what we've done is we've raised a whole load of questions. I don't think we've necessarily solved any. No, apart from uh, I think we've all agreed that mine's the benchmark, and uh, we should all bow to to my collection. Uh so thank you.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:59

Could could I make a suggestion, please? Is there a chance we could put in what's on the table at the end of this video and people could comment what they think is the perfect Forwatch collection of planet at the end of the collection? I just I want to see what people would build from everything here. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:14

All right, that sounds fun. Well, thank you, guys. I've really enjoyed that. Hopefully, we've still got some people listening at the end of that uh marathon. But uh, but we've all shared some collection of some of our own collection, and uh, I think yeah, we're uh we're all lucky boys and girls, really, aren't we? Sure, cheapers. Um, thank you, guys. Thank you. Thank you for listening, and we'll see you next time.