The £5000 Watch Challenge | S02 EP06 Four Married Men Podcast (SEASON FINALE)

Welcome back to the SEASON FINALE of The Four Married Men Podcast — where four watch collectors sit down to talk watches, collecting culture, and the stories behind the pieces we wear.

Jake Ross - https://www.instagram.com/amanintime
Salim Hammad - https://www.instagram.com/thedeadbeatseconds/
Justin Hast - https://www.instagram.com/justinhast
Tim Green - https://www.instagram.com/_timgreen_

In this episode of Four Married Men, the challenge is simple: each of us gets a £5,000 budget to buy the best watch we can find. But there’s a catch, the winner isn’t decided by taste, rarity, or brand prestige. The first watch to sell on Subdial wins.

With real money, real watches, and bragging rights on the line, Jake, Justin, Salim and Tim go head-to-head to see who has the best eye for value, desirability, and what today’s collectors actually want to buy. From vintage favourites and modern classics to risky picks and hidden gems, every decision matters.

Will the safest choice come out on top, or is taking a chance the key to victory? The guys reveal their selections, explain their thinking, and put their watch-buying instincts to the test.

Whether you’re interested in watch collecting, buying and selling watches, market trends, or simply seeing how experienced collectors think, this episode offers a fascinating look at what makes a watch truly desirable in today’s market.

Listen, subscribe, and let us know in the comments which watch you think will sell first.

Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:08

Do we need to buy you a lawnmower silly? Yes. Do we lock it load, guys? Yeah. This is probably my favourite watch ever. How much do you want for it? Yeah, Tim's gonna Tim's a deal maker.

SPEAKER_04 0:18

So he'll offer you something fruit, Ris. What would you accept? What would feel good?

SPEAKER_03 0:22

I could trade you for a cartier.

unknown 0:24

She's gone.

SPEAKER_03 0:34

Alright, should we go? Yeah. Hello, gents. How are you? Hello. This isn't Subdal HQ, actually. I don't know if you can tell. We are currently in Salim's uh backyard. The estate? The estate. The estate. On the estate. Yeah, on the estate. I was gonna I did tell you before you need to trim your lawn. I'm sorry, but it's upsetting my OCD. But today we've got an end-of-season special. So we've got a bit of a challenge that we're gonna run through. And we thought actually we'd just mix up the background a little bit. So that's the idea behind it. Um, in terms of sort of agenda, I think we're pretty clear on it, but we're gonna go through, we're gonna jump straight in with a challenge. We start with what's on the wrist, then we've got a 5k challenge. We each had £5,000 up to to go and find a collectible watch and a watch that we think is gonna sell quicker on Subdial's drop uh in a couple of weeks. Uh and we will see, I don't actually know chronologically how this is gonna work.

SPEAKER_01 1:31

I I think this will go out on the Sunday and it'll be on the Thursday drop. There we go. It'll be on the Thursday drop. And the idea is that the price that we've bought the watch for goes on Subdial. Subdial make no money on the watch other than the servicing. Yeah. So Well, we don't make money on servicing, but uh I mean the cost of servicing will go in onto onto the site, but whatever we've paid for the watch goes straight. So if we've managed to get a bargain, you guys get the bargain. Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 1:56

But servicing is still an unknown. So Amy hasn't had her hands onto any of these watches yet. So exactly. We don't actually know if anyone's in for an additional fee or not.

SPEAKER_03 2:04

Um and I I I highly suspect that you guys all do. I don't think so. You've sort of found these things on you know down the back of someone's sofa or I don't know, we'll find out, eh?

SPEAKER_04 2:17

A few things we should all say is um we felt this 5k budget was one that people have been asking us for. Yeah. Yeah. And it's reflective of what a lot of people are um, you know, what what they have at their disposal for that one watch purchase. So that's why we settled on five. George, our editor and videographer, who's here with us today, he was uncomfortable about the fact that a lot of this is going to be shot on film, like on our phones. So we're gonna shoot behind the scenes um the journey of discovering these watches. So that'll come later on the show.

SPEAKER_03 2:44

But yeah, mine's a complete disaster.

SPEAKER_05 2:46

Can I add one thing as well? Yeah, I think we've done a lot of like talking hypothetically. So we play the games off 20k, what would you buy? Yeah. Um, I'm still waiting for the 35 grand, 25, 26 from Tim. I'll get it. So um, I don't know. We thought, well, let's actually go out and see what we can buy with money. None of these hypotheticals, none of anything like that. So yeah, we're gonna do that. We don't know what you're doing with actual money on.

SPEAKER_01 3:08

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Absolutely. And I I know that Mr. Boring over here will turn up with an explorer of some sort. They don't know me.

SPEAKER_05 3:14

It's just you being boring privately in the last week. They don't know me as Mr. Boring.

SPEAKER_04 3:20

We genuinely know nothing. We genuinely know that. Now, Tim was pretty close to finding mine out because I had some structural concerns. I I sorry, I said concerns about getting my watch this week. So he is aware of he facilitated me getting my channel. I know the story, but I don't know the actual watch. He didn't click on the uh the uh the attachment. I did not. So we we don't know what we've what we've bought. So it's gonna be as a surprise for all of us as it is for you. Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 3:43

Um yeah, so um, and then we're gonna finish with a little bit of advice, I think, on how we went about doing it, what we've learnt, and possibly, you know, if you are in the market for a 5k collectible watch, some of the things that we'd recommend doing in order to find a you know a good price. Yeah. Maybe I don't know. We'll see how we get on. Uh, and then lastly, I think we're gonna talk about next season. Um, just give a little bit of a forward view on uh what's happening with the podcast and when the next one will happen. So, should we jump in with it? Let's go. Yeah, let's do it. All right, Jake, what have you got on wrist?

SPEAKER_05 4:19

Oh, I thought you were going to my competition.

SPEAKER_04 4:20

I have got on a feet as well. Can we just touch on that?

SPEAKER_05 4:24

What have you got on your feet?

SPEAKER_03 4:25

Absolutely nothing, sir. Would you like to see my hoof? No. No one needs to see that hoof. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_05 4:30

It was you that no one needs to see that hoof. You actually inspired me. It's a hot day. I'm going into London after this. Yes. I just thought, well, am I wearing my trainers for 17 hours today or whatever it is?

SPEAKER_04 4:40

Fully support what you've done. You've got you've got a Birkenstock, a rubber slider Birkenstock. No, why not? Socks on. Yes. The ultimate conference.

SPEAKER_01 4:48

This is supposed to be a wrist check, not a foot check. Sorry, what are we on it?

SPEAKER_04 4:50

What undies, while we're on it, are you wearing undies today or not? Uh we don't need to get on the right. What you got on, boy?

SPEAKER_05 4:55

What do you got on? We'll talk about those later, Justin. Um, so I've got the uh Langanzona, uh Langon 1 on. So Blue Doll 101.27. Um, we know it's a watch. I've spoken about a couple of times on this podcast now, and I am still just mad in love with it. Um I actually went to Mallorca very, very recently for a couple of weeks, and I decided to not take this watch with me to Mallorca. And I think that that distance helped because I just was like, why have I not bought this watch? And I knew why I didn't bring it because I was just on the beach every day, you know, playing playing with my daughter. But what did you take? I took I took two watches. I took the really, really boring Rolex Explorer 36mm. Get in the comments if you happen to disagree with that statement. I do. Um, and I took the 1680 red, um, which was great. And um, yeah, I wore that most days. Oh, remember. I actually went on three dives, um, and I didn't take it diving. I'm not anti the idea of taking it diving. No, I haven't had it pressure tested properly. Um, and and I was really tempted to drop Tim a note to be like, what's the warranty situation here? Like, like if I take this diving and like it screws up, like can I retain it?

SPEAKER_03 6:11

That's the kind of message that I just ignore.

SPEAKER_05 6:13

Yeah, so um yeah. It will get a dive. Um but yeah, I did I did a couple of dives. Um, I did three dives um yeah off the coast of Mallorca, which was really good.

SPEAKER_04 6:22

It's a pretty heated debate in the last couple of weeks between you and Slim. And we weren't planning to bring this up, but I just felt that it would be interesting to ask everyone out there whether the Explorer, that 36mm Explorer you've got, would be the pick or whether it would be a 36mm OP per se.

SPEAKER_01 6:35

So maybe we should we should lay out the scene because actually the the thing is is that as you know with Justin, it's just watches left, right, and centre being sent into the group. And you know, you you've never owned a Rolex as people know, and he doesn't let anyone forget that. And it's almost part of his brand now of, you know, I've never owned a Rolex.

unknown 6:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:55

But he keeps putting it uh put popping Rolexes into the group and saying, What do you think of this?

SPEAKER_04 6:59

Six grand for six-ish, six and a half-ish for the 36mm Explorer. It just got me looking, thinking, it's rock solid. It is, it is. And that is that's that's that's quite enticing. But you thought this was immensely boring.

SPEAKER_01 7:10

But no, no, I didn't think it's boring. I have an explorer, but I think it's not you. Yeah, like I know you, and you need something to keep you going, to keep you having a twist to be able to keep going back to that watch, whether it's something strange, it's something limited, it's got, you know, uh a strange colourway or a dial that's a bit different. And I thought those colourful OPs are exactly what you need because they have.

SPEAKER_04 7:34

You did get personal though. You did get personal with Jake. Oh well. You said he was pathetic, I think, with the words who used to be.

SPEAKER_03 7:41

Was that before or after his foot choice, footwear choice?

SPEAKER_04 7:44

Sorry, is that your furroy being stolen outside sir? Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 7:49

Maybe.

SPEAKER_04 7:50

Um I don't want to sidetrack us, but I just thought that was an issue.

SPEAKER_05 7:53

I think I think I've got a right to counter.

SPEAKER_04 7:55

Okay. So you can do it in person now.

SPEAKER_05 7:57

Yeah, I so my point is I've seen you wear this watch. In fact, I'd like you to put it on for for for sleep. Yeah. Um, because firstly, it suits Justin so, so well. And Justin's got this amazing watchbox uh filled with kind of fantastic things, really dressy things. But like, like if it's okay today, like we're here with your family today. Yes, we are. And like against their will. And like occasionally, like, you can't just go, oh, I'm gonna put on a nice, dressy Patek or a Vash one today. Yeah. And you need to get things done. Yes. Like, you need a watch to get things done. This clasp breaks open. Yeah, but this is. He's got a broken clasp. He does not put this on for DIY.

SPEAKER_01 8:31

But if he changes the click you you fix the click of that, and the watch is perfect.

SPEAKER_05 8:35

But but I kind of like the the more I think about it, it's just like this watch isn't about being a special watch. It's not supposed to compete with your warhole Piaget. Tim looks fed up already. I'm so bored. It's a watch to put on to be a dad and get stuff done. Uh the phrase I came up with, because Justin and I were talking whilst um I was in Mallorca was he's got an A-box and a B box. That watch is not in the A box. It's not in the B box. It's on his bedside table because it's the watch where he wakes up and he needs to get stuff done. Like he doesn't wear it, though. He will not wear that watch.

SPEAKER_04 9:09

He will not wear it. Let's leave it there, guys. I think it's just it was just it just touched me that I thought we should, we should, we should mention it.

SPEAKER_05 9:14

But there we go. So I went to Mioca just quickly. That's where we were. I didn't take this with me. I took the sub and the explorer. The sub got most of the wrist time. But I was just really missing this watch. So um I think that's a really, really healthy sign. Maybe it's not a healthy sign on a human level, might sound insane. Uh, but from a watch collecting perspective, I was really missing it. So I'm very, very happy to be.

SPEAKER_04 9:37

That's my favourite watch you you've ever owned, you know, truthfully. Strong. I love it. I I look at that format, that that that Langamon design, and it's you, and it's it's it's wonderful to see another one on the rest after all these years. So I'm happy, man. Yeah, there we go. Um I'm gonna wear this. Yeah, that's the 5065. Um, and I just thought today was the right day for it. We've had a heat wave, we've had a heat wave the last week. We're in the middle of it. We're in the middle of it. Yeah, and I just thought that that that was the one today. Um and it's just always when I put it on. The one thing I always find is just how thin it is. That's the one thing that always strikes me, just how thin it is and how nicely it works. It's so comfortable as well. It's so comfortable. It's so comfortable. But I do need to look at the class, but I don't know how I go about fixing that. It's just that you know those classes that you snap open, sometimes you just need it a little bit tighter just to lock it in again. So yeah, 5065.

SPEAKER_03 10:23

Do you think how how much do you think it would affect your enjoyment not having the tritium dial? People do ask a lot, don't I? I've got an eye on one, but it hasn't got a tritium dial. My my when I had one, it was tritium and I loved it. Yeah, I just don't know how much it's going to annoy me.

SPEAKER_01 10:39

So I I own a 5066 with a tritium dial. Yeah. And for me, the tritium was a must. Yeah. That that kind of creamy colour. Yeah, it it really does bring that dial alive. And the loom, I mean, I don't I I almost got hammered in the comments for my for my Lauren Ferrier uh uh takedown last week. We did get hammered. I did get hammered. But the green loom, you know, the Patek used a similar greenish loom for the 5065 and the 5066 after year 2001, 2002. The colour tone isn't quite right. And the colour tone tone isn't quite right compared to when you see a really nice custody 5065 with tritium. So I I I it's for me it's worth it's worth the uh the extra. Because you're looking at that dial every every day. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 11:26

Can I ask, how much more do you think you're paying for a creamy dial over a non-creamy dial? More than 10%, I think. Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 11:35

I'd say 15%. Yeah. Four gram, five grand.

SPEAKER_04 11:38

The design and the proportion is so nearly perfect, and we've talked about it a lot. It would be a shame not to go that full hog to not do it right. Because I think even now I can tell it's on your mind. Yeah, it is.

SPEAKER_03 11:48

And we know that if there's anything that's in the mind, yeah, it's gonna crack open really wide open.

SPEAKER_04 11:54

And you're we're all fans, including this lady here. So um there we go. I'm just looking for a few more straps, actually, and I'm struggling to find um. I've actually got some straps here. Have you actually? Yeah. That would fit? Yeah, maybe. Yeah. Okay, right. Because I think it's the same as the same lug width as the 5066. Fine. We'll have a chat after we've got to be so I've got my card. I've got my card with me. Um, what are you going on?

SPEAKER_01 12:16

Uh I'm wearing a 36mm day date, actually, in white gold, which I think is the correct proportions for a day date. Um Rolex, as you know, I I love. Mostly vintage Rolex, but to me, the day date, I think, just has that special feel with the heft and the present bracelet is just so so nice. Um, and when you get a really good one that's that's nice and tight, it just it really does feel great on the wrist. Um the proportions are brilliant, and this is uh this is just this is from the from the mid-2010s, so it's um it's got the double quick set and port, which is really important when it comes to these. I don't know if you ever tried to set a non-quick set.

SPEAKER_03 13:01

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:02

It's a nightmare. 1803. Yeah. Takes a while.

SPEAKER_03 13:05

I mean, I don't, I'm not a date setter necessarily, so it doesn't bother me. Or a trend setter. Oh I don't know about that. I don't know. I've got my Islam.

SPEAKER_04 13:14

I told you already, but I saw that on you today and I thought it's proportionally fantastic.

SPEAKER_01 13:18

Yeah, I think it's the right proportions. I think for everybody. I think actually the 40 mil loses some of the charm. And you know, when you see people wearing them in you know, historically in the 36mm, to me that just feels like the right size for a day date. I totally agree. Yeah, and uh white gold is just a little bit more wearable. I can wear this wherever um without having to worry that it's a big flashy bit of gold on the wrist, and to most people it does probably look like a date just or something like that. Beautiful.

SPEAKER_03 13:46

Very cool. Tip one? Well, I've got a cartion. Shock. Um, but it's um uh Santos Carey anniversary burgundy dial brushed bezel, importantly. I think these came in both polished and brushed. I've had both, and this is the sort of matness, the satination on this, I think is perfect. It's an anniversary watch, it's the 75th anniversary of the Santos, and it's got a ruby cabochon with a steel case and bracelet, and that's quite a cool uh combination. It has a date that I can't see. Uh and that's okay because I don't need it, but it's just interesting.

SPEAKER_04 14:26

Do you know what I love about that date is is how the frame sticks out on that burgundy doll? It's got a gold frame, I think, which you manage the hands. Yeah, it's a good thing. And it's kind of such a punchy uh touch of design, I think. It looks great.

SPEAKER_03 14:37

Yeah, it's cool. And it's still got the red um lacquer sort of text on the back and yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:43

How much does one of these set you back?

SPEAKER_03 14:45

They are eight-ish, nine-ish, something like that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 14:50

Well, how how old is that watch?

SPEAKER_03 14:52

1990.

SPEAKER_05 14:53

Okay. Is I was just thinking about the market of the SIHH style. Yeah. Is it? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 15:01

Yeah. Yeah, that's 2002. And uh the prices are similar, but these are slightly more collectible. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 15:08

I think the the ghost, the grey one, and the burgundy. I really love the crown guards. Yeah, it's cool. It's cool. Uh I mean, we we had a chat with uh with Wes about Crown Guards when he talked about Panther, but it really works on this. Yeah. Um, and it's an interesting bracelet as well. It's a great bracelet. It's cool, isn't it? It's a great bracelet. It's really cool. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 15:27

So should we jump into the meat of it? Let's do it. Let's do it. So just to go over what we said. So we set each other £5,000 as a limit. The goal is to buy something that's going to sell the quickest on Subdial for no profit. When this isn't about making profit, it's about seeing which of us has got the best taste and access. Or the best eye for buying collectible watches. Uh, and I don't know who wants to go first.

SPEAKER_05 15:53

Can I I I think there's two ways we're determining a winner, critically. I'm here to compete.

SPEAKER_03 15:59

I know how to determine who gets disqualified. I'm excited to tell that bit.

SPEAKER_05 16:03

Um, but but like we on subdar, we we're like speed of sale. Yeah. So they're all going to come in the drop. Same drop. Whoever's watched sells first, second, third is going to determine that. But really, we want the audience opinion. So I think we're all actually feeling quite, quite we're feeling quite proud of ourselves, I feel, of what we've purchased. We want to hear from these guys as to who's done best with their five grand. Sash, maybe not who's done best, but what's your favourite one off the lot? So uh we'll make that happen. But speed of sales, the next episode we'll know uh what the market actually thinks.

SPEAKER_04 16:35

Speed of sales actually really tricky. I must admit, I found that aspect of the challenge just hard to digest because naturally we're inclined towards the more esoteric, I think, generally speaking.

SPEAKER_01 16:45

Um I feel like there's two things. There's two things that make a watch sell quickly. One is its rarity or condition, etc. And the other thing is price. Yeah. So if we have done, if we have either priced it very, very well, it should sell like that. Or if we found a great example of a watch that is brilliant, it will it should sell like that.

SPEAKER_04 17:04

And in many ways, that's what drew us into Tim, Tim's sphere many years ago, was the fact that you were picking unusual things for the drop. And that and those little nuggets, because there are, you I think you like playing around sometimes with a bit of that budget every month to come up with something that's just a little bit odd. That's right. And I think that's probably what's drawn us into the years. So anyway, let's let's see how we're gonna do it.

SPEAKER_03 17:22

Well, that's very kind of you to say, actually. Who wants to go first? Right.

SPEAKER_05 17:26

Go on. You think I don't think I should go first. I think we should save the best narrative. You want to be in the minds of everyone out there.

SPEAKER_04 17:33

I want to know what this is. Well, let's see what's in the tells the story.

SPEAKER_01 17:36

So the story is, yeah. And there will be there will be some b-roll here as well.

SPEAKER_04 17:39

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 17:39

To lead us through the journey. Yes.

SPEAKER_04 17:41

Yeah, there's some b-roll. So immediately um I was excited by the challenge. I loved the budget. I thought the budget's fantastic. Certainly enough meat on the bone from my side. I was very much drawn to Blompan for some reason. I just feel Neo Vintage Blompan uh was now I uh this coincides with the fact there's been an event in London with uh Subdal and Blompan, but I just feel that there's they're undervalued. I think that they're undervalued. The 34mm period, that 90, that 80, sorry, that 90 to 2000. No, is it 80 to 90 period? Um is undervalued, the the Jean-Claude Beaver period. I did consult him gently. I sent him a few bits privately, and I was like, what do you think of this price price point? So I for myself, more so than any.

SPEAKER_03 18:22

No, no, I wasn't giving any tips.

SPEAKER_04 18:25

I was just teasing, I was just teasing, I was just teasing. There's a breaking numeral, for example. Did you buy it from the subject?

SPEAKER_03 18:30

No, and I actually thought you were asking for use. Yes, yeah, for me. So you weren't you weren't being. Yo, Tim, can you help me out with this? No challenge.

SPEAKER_04 18:37

Because I'm well aware that there might be some bits that we will end up wanting to buy ourselves anyway. So that that took me on my my first journey was into Blan Pan. Um I then realized there were auction opportunities. Um, and for me, auctions provide massive opportunity from a buyer perspective, not necessarily from a seller perspective. With risk. With risk, with risk.

SPEAKER_03 18:58

They are very hands-I that's why I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_04 19:02

They're very hands-off, they're very, very hands-off.

SPEAKER_03 19:04

You've got one of those two things, I think. Price is great. Because if you're not against anyone else in it, you you could be in with a real winner value-wise. Yes. But condition and and we don't know whether it's been serviced, you don't know what it's like.

SPEAKER_04 19:16

So thankfully, thankfully, with this particular wall, servicing shouldn't be an issue. Okay, it shouldn't be much of an issue. I've come in while under budget. I've come in at just shy of £3,000, inclusive of all fees. I had to go, I had some back and forth with the blonde um with the Bonham's representative about how much I could bid, which would allow me for my in my total to come under 5k. Um and I think I might have been the only one bidding. Now I'm gonna just say as well.

SPEAKER_05 19:43

We are we are that means no one's buying it from the drop.

SPEAKER_04 19:47

We are all no, it's a complete nugget, it's a complete golden nugget that no one has spotted, and I'm completely delighted that no one has. We all love old school charm, be it cameras, be it furniture, be it old military jackets, be it old cars. The modern watch world isn't producing that level of charm that we can currently compete with. Now, this is beyond a watch. This is more than a watch. It's a lifestyle. This is a capsule of elegance, of traditional elegance that cannot be seen right now in the world of watches, okay?

SPEAKER_03 20:20

Is it a box of chocolates?

SPEAKER_04 20:21

This is it, Dunhill. A Swiss box of chocolates. No, it's not. This is an S T Dupont.

SPEAKER_06 20:28

Oh, collector's set, collector's set.

SPEAKER_04 20:35

I saw this. This is for the Asian market, right? This is for the Chinese market. Lacquered. This is absolutely exquisite. Can I just take a second smell? Smell that, smell that, smell that's cool. Full set. Look at this. I'm sorry. Everything you can imagine is in there. Okay, look. Smell it, smell it, smell it, smell it, smell it. This is untouched, literally untouched. This has been presented to a diplomat in 1976. A lacked inlay. It's the travel clock. Look at that. A lacked inlay. Untouched old stock. Look at the strap.

SPEAKER_01 21:14

Imagine pulling this out of your pocket and just pfft.

SPEAKER_04 21:17

This is going to speak to pen collectors, fountain pen collectors, right? Look at this fountain pen. Look at this fountain pen. Look at this fountain pen. Go and touch the fountain pen. Look at the fountain pen. It's untouched, and it comes from a Chinese diplomat. I'm waiting for it. The money shop, the lacquer. Now I thought this was tortoise show when I first saw it. This is Chinese lacquer. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Chinese lacquer, Chinese lacquer.

SPEAKER_03 21:37

Oh, and it's wait, wait. Oh fuck, come on.

SPEAKER_04 21:40

Tim, can I? It's S T Dupont. I'm bagging it.

SPEAKER_05 21:46

I'm gonna get my wife to buy it in the case. Can I just quickly share it sound? The lacquer, Tim. The case back is full lacquer. What? The buckle is full lacquer. The case profile, even if the case back as well.

SPEAKER_03 22:06

I see this. Unfortunately, Stavdar doesn't sell lighters.

SPEAKER_04 22:10

Oh we don't do it. It's non-functioning. It's non-functioning. That's right.

SPEAKER_05 22:15

Can I ask you to know what why are you confident that that doesn't need a service if it's been sat in a box for 50 years? Literally, we've got swing tag.

SPEAKER_03 22:23

We've got the swing tag. Is this what I want to know the answer to Jake's? What's the Japanese at the bottom of it?

SPEAKER_04 22:28

So I think Chinese. I think I'm Chinese. From what I can tell, it's a we're talking 1970 to 1984.

SPEAKER_01 22:33

Oh, it says here, laca de Shine.

SPEAKER_04 22:35

Yeah, Chine. So it was made, it was those sets were made, collector sets were made often as gifts for diplomats. Just have a feel of those, guys. Tell me this isn't being this is nowhere near being done. Now I would say untouched. The strap is untouched. The strap is untouched.

SPEAKER_01 22:49

I'm going to stick it on my uh on my wrist.

SPEAKER_04 22:52

We haven't even touched on the watch. Tell me that is not. Tell me that's not extraordinary.

SPEAKER_01 22:57

I'm suddenly feeling very serious, but look at that on the wrist.

SPEAKER_04 22:59

I'm sorry, but look at that on the wrist. Tell me that is not insane old money.

SPEAKER_01 23:04

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_04 23:04

That's old money.

SPEAKER_01 23:05

Imagine getting into your 80s S-class mate.

SPEAKER_04 23:09

I'm picking up the phone in the middle. Yeah. On the cord. On the cord.

SPEAKER_01 23:12

Yeah, and and your uh your your dial matches the steering wheel and matches the arm mate. It looks like tortoise shell, doesn't it? It does. I mean, I mean the lacquer on the sides here. Good lord. And if you look at it, actually, the shape of the it's actually shaped. If you look at the shape, it goes out of the colour. I've never seen a case like it.

SPEAKER_04 23:27

I've never seen a case like it.

SPEAKER_01 23:29

Do you do you have any idea who made the watch?

SPEAKER_04 23:32

No. I don't.

SPEAKER_01 23:33

The problem is, here's the problem.

SPEAKER_04 23:37

And let me just say this. Here's the problem. Here we go. Sorry. Ah, forgive me. Sorry.

SPEAKER_01 23:41

July 96.

SPEAKER_04 23:42

1996. So it came from De La Chateau Montreal and Quebec. It's got the warranty card.

SPEAKER_01 23:48

Four warranty cards. Can I just say that can I just can I just give you the issue here? The fact is it the problem is it's quartz. And we all know that batteries, especially over time. It's probably leaked. And if it's leaked in the middle of that, it can't be sold. It can't be the same. The golden era.

SPEAKER_04 24:04

The golden era. I was saying not the 70s and 80s. God damn it. Tim, go on, have a sniff of that. Sniff that card. Well, I've got no sense of smell. Have you not?

unknown 24:14

I haven't.

SPEAKER_04 24:14

But I'm having a couple of things. What more do you want? What more do you want? So first come from the first donor. This is the first time it's being sold. Untouched, it's got the swing tags, the certificate of uh production there. I think we just all need to remember it. Got the date. 19 Ah! So what's that? 1983. I think February 1996. Why is it in 1993? Made in 1983, sold in 1996 in July in Montreal. But I hope it doesn't take subdial 13 years to. Well, if it does, then we'll be laughing about it.

SPEAKER_05 24:47

No. That's good. Oh my god. Can I clarify something, Tim? Yeah. So we're saying for it to go through Subdial, the watch is going to need a service. It is. What about the lighter and the watch?

SPEAKER_03 24:59

Well, we'll need to call them out. And the pen non-working.

SPEAKER_05 25:04

You just took the words out of my mouth. Thank you, Summy. Can I have a look at the pen? I think that clock needs servicing as well. And lighter servicing can be a bit of a fun top as well.

SPEAKER_04 25:11

This is untouched.

SPEAKER_01 25:11

This is untouched. Are they working? Are they working? No. No. The lighter's not working. No, they're not. No, no, but is the clock working?

unknown 25:17

No.

SPEAKER_01 25:18

The clock's not working. Well, at least is the watch working? No, right. Is it even right? Any of it works. It's very cool, but is any of it work? No, they don't know.

SPEAKER_03 25:26

The watch isn't working. It's still the coolest thing.

SPEAKER_04 25:29

It's untouched. Untouched scrap. This is new stop. This is new old stop. All right. I mean I every everyone. Should we wrap up? Should we wrap up? Should we wrap up?

SPEAKER_05 25:39

I do actually think we should.

SPEAKER_04 25:40

That needs that just needs a bit of purposes, it's fine. It's not working.

SPEAKER_03 25:45

Right, all right. And we all need to calm down for a second. Oh, that's I mean, genuinely brand. That's great.

SPEAKER_04 25:52

Now the craziest thing is, and the funniest thing is, I shared this on the group. You might remember I shared it on our group and I said, guys, how that's where I saw it. Do you remember? I shared this on the group and you came back and said, so I was looking for confirmation and I got what I needed, which was to say.

SPEAKER_01 26:04

Doesn't that look like a 222 when you like it?

SPEAKER_04 26:07

So the discovery here is like, look at the back of it. Look at the look at the way they've riveted that onto the bottle. The elegance is off the channel. So we need to find out who who made it. We don't know, but that's part of the journey of these things. For me, £2,903 is where we're at.

SPEAKER_05 26:24

Well, no, no, no. £2,900 is where you're at. Yeah, this is a problem.

SPEAKER_04 26:31

I'd drop up 6k. I don't even know what that is. There we go. Look at that. Tim, go on. No. Look at that. It's all in the back there. I don't know what that is, but it's all there.

SPEAKER_03 26:40

All right, all right, all right. It's all the this is good. Yeah, this is fun. I'm starting to feel slightly nervous about mine.

SPEAKER_01 26:47

Well, I think uh Jake should go next. Go on, I'll go next. Keep closing up. Just so keep applying the pressure. Just so it's it's Go on, Jake. Let's tell us about your journey. Because you had a bit of a nightmare, and then we saw we saw a panicked uh message go out. And I didn't I didn't know whether this was a double bluff, and you were so happy with what you'd bought. Dropping the shoulder. Yeah. Getting everyone thinking. Giving us a little step over.

SPEAKER_04 27:08

48 hours before filming, you put out a story on Insta asking for anyone to come forward with something for less than 500 quid, 500, 5 grand that you thought could be worth snapping up.

SPEAKER_05 27:18

Yeah. And I think critically, we agreed we'd do this when I was in Mallorca. And then I've been in Mallorca for most of that time. And I've been in England for two days. I've been over stiffing out. No, we're we're weirdly. We're selling it into the snow that you're gonna go. So I was having a very mobile experience, is is the reality, rather than going around to lots of shops to see what we can find. And actually, I lined up a watch really early, and I think part of like the the criteria is a little bit unknown, but it's kind of speed of sale, but definitely something that we like ourselves. So not just buying something just purely that we're just gonna sell straight away. And I I found a 2023 36mm Rolex Explorer. I knew he was gonna do an explorer. Um, with Rolex warranty still, box out of box, swing tag, original receipt, like as full as can be. The cheapest in England, 6k. I found one for 5k, and I just thought that's superb. Like a viewer is gonna be able to pick up this watch from Subdial, still with a Rolex warranty, let alone a Subdial warranty, for a grand under market value. Um and that was quite exciting to me because that is a watch. Breaking my watch. It doesn't matter. This is not the watch, no, no. Okay. Um, so I was quite excited about that, and then um then the seller pulled out. Um so I didn't have a watch, and I and I was truly kind of back to ground zero. Um, so I started going a handful of like online, like Chrono 24, seeing how aggressively I could get with like asking for discounts for stuff I really wanted, but just annoying everyone, weren't you? I was I was trying really hard not to. So then I went to Instagram stories, which I believe is kind of a good way to try and buy things. And I just put I did the WTB want to buy. I've got 5k for a cool watch, let me know what you have. Um so first of all, thank you to everyone who responded. How many, how many replies did you? About 50, maybe 60. No way.

SPEAKER_01 29:14

That's really good. But the problem is, the problem is I have almost zero followers on Instagram. So if anyone could just unfollow Justin and follow me instead, that would be brilliant.

SPEAKER_05 29:23

I'm using this to plug my Instagram. So if you go and follow a man in time, you'll have a great time. Um did you get any picks? Well DMs. Did anyone slide in with something unexpected? 5K, good no. Um, so it was really interesting. Like lots of people were just sending stuff that they've that they've seen. Some people sending their own things, some people making recommendations. I was amazed at how much JLC was recommended to me. Everyone was like, 5K is the JLC part of it. Um, and I was just kind of shocked. That's kind of what I started responding to. Everyone, like, wow, like you you're all really dead king on GLC. Uh Blunk Park came up a few times, I think, post-subdial event, and people were like, you can definitely get some stuff. Lots of people were sending me subdal watches, yeah. But I was like, it doesn't work to buy subdial stock to then put it in the subdial drop. So I think I think really bad advice from Jay.

SPEAKER_03 30:13

Uh you've got 5k to spend, come to subdar.com.

SPEAKER_05 30:17

Well, well, I that's what's kind of interesting. There was quite a few on subdial, but that kind of beats the idea of our challenge. The other one person I I feel is worth shouting out is Watchers of Nightsbridge. Like, I don't know if you looked at there for a 5k limit. I felt they had loads of really interesting neo-vintage stuff. Platinum Blondine. Um he's got a good eye.

SPEAKER_03 30:35

Uh Toby. Well, I uh yeah, Toby and Toby Subton. Is Beckson still there?

SPEAKER_05 30:39

He is, yeah, Chris.

SPEAKER_03 30:41

Good team.

SPEAKER_05 30:42

Between Dubai and London. So, yeah, and then and then I basically just I started getting 304. I was just getting a mad rambling of watches. But I ended up getting something from Maunder. So um Burlington Arcade. Burlington Arcade. And and I think first thing I want to say, like, I know for a lot of people, Burlington arcade is a bit intimidating. Um, I certainly found that as kind of like a younger early collector, and I don't necessarily like wear suits or whatever. I have found Burlington Arcade hard at times. Especially if you're trying to sell. Oh, I think my I remember having um, I won't name the shop, but I I had my Tudor Samariner that I bought off the original diver. Um, and I wasn't looking for crazy money, but I was I was told by a shop these guys are Tudor specialists, and you know, you go in and you go, hey, I've got a watch I think you might like. And he was just like, where is it? I was like, it's at home and then okay, bring it in then. I was like, would you like to talk about it or see pictures? Because it's like two hours for me to get in. He's like, no. But but I do I do think there is a bit of Burlington arcade about that. There's magic in there, there's magic on but I find Morder to not be that.

SPEAKER_01 31:47

So there's a there's a couple of really good places on there. Somlow, I think we should shout out. They're very, very good. Somlow's amazing. Um Maunda, I actually do agree with you, are really good. Um, interestingly, Ben Klymer said that Burlington Arcade is where good watches go to die, which I don't agree with him about because there are there are some really good deals to be had. Are you gonna say anything positive in this forecast?

SPEAKER_03 32:08

No, I know. I've smashed that really. You're either blowing hot or cold. I mean a really positive one or a negative one. Have a pan of chocolate. Or just take a take a couple of minutes. Do you know? Are you upset because Justin's won already? I can't believe Justin has not won yet. No, I think he is.

SPEAKER_05 32:24

Jake, get your watch out. What's up? No, no, no. So I should say, so they they had a watch that was quite expensive. And I sent them, I tried to make it be as polite as possible, and I was like, I'm buying a watch, I'm trying to negotiate hard here, I'm not benefiting from it. A viewer's gonna benefit from it. But that was really something I wanted to do. I wanted to buy something that a viewer is gonna be like, what a bargain. So um I've managed to get a white gold AP.

SPEAKER_04 32:52

Oh, I like this.

SPEAKER_05 32:53

And I've got an Edward.

SPEAKER_04 32:54

I really like that.

SPEAKER_05 32:56

Very nice. And it's a good size.

SPEAKER_04 32:58

Jesus Christ, he's come out and he has come out swinging. That is gorgeous.

SPEAKER_05 33:01

So, like, I I I do need to shout Wander out for this. So they had this up for eight and a half grand.

SPEAKER_04 33:06

What? Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_05 33:07

Yeah, and actually, eight and a half grand is probably the price of the watch. She goes to Chrono 24, there's some at 10, there's some at 8. That is stonkingly good fun. And when I spoke to them about it, they just said, that sounds like good fun. Like they said, we didn't really consider it too much, we just saw your message and thought, this guy looks like him. Like, I know them anyway, but he's like, he looks like he's this good fun challenge, why not? So um, yeah, I want to really, really say thank you to the guys at Maunder, and I spent a good hour in there as well. And you spent five grand. Five grand.

SPEAKER_03 33:36

So I'm not suggesting it does need a service, but if there is a service cost involved, yes, then you're disqualified. Well, no. Yes. Because you can you come in a few. Because you've got a five grand.

SPEAKER_05 33:47

No, no, no, it will have to be listed for six thousand. What if the service is a good one? But it's five.

SPEAKER_04 33:52

Well, I don't think that's more you would do. I'm more worried that I want that watch. I knew you'd want that watch. Now that's gonna happen is he might win the challenge if I buy it immediately. You but you can't buy it. Then I lose, then I lose, then I lose. Someone at home to buy it, it has to be a lot. It can't be you. And I knew you would write it. I love that watch. I absolutely love it watching.

SPEAKER_05 34:09

It's an amazing song. Can I come up with it? Is it an original buckle? So it doesn't have the original buckle. Uh and that's one of the things that like a sticker on the back. They said that to me, they admitted to that. APE strap as well. Um, I I've got some B-roll for this episode. The person who filmed the B-roll was Ben from Watch Brothers London.

SPEAKER_03 34:27

No way.

SPEAKER_05 34:28

So we bumped we bumped into a bi-weekly shout-out. So we bumped into each other in Maunder. He he stayed with me for the hour and he he did the filming of me collecting the watch. I've got his opinion on it as well. So um, hopefully that'll be tick rolled in at some point. Yeah. So so your watch is a similar shape to mine, but is a quartz thing from the Yeah, there's probably got a leaky battery in it. This is a white gold. Whatsoever. No evidence whatsoever. This is a white gold AP. If you are paying, by the way, if you're on eBay and you're about to buy an AP sublimely elegant watch swatch for 5k on the secondary market, you can go and buy an actual AP in precious metal. White gold. That fits you. Edward Peggy. Beautiful. When you prompt that is 1995. But, but, but I'm impressed so far. This is a good idea. I'm trying to get a job at something. Tim's team. Tim Steam's got a couple of openings in your fillings. Could could any of you tell me the story of the Edwards? No. Of the Edward. No. I was really hoping you would. Apparently, it's an amazing story. That's obviously named after the founder. I'm meant to do research. We'll put it in next episode.

SPEAKER_01 35:36

But but can I just say none of these watches are complicated watches? We've got time-only watches here. Um yeah, I've got I've got precious metal APs.

SPEAKER_03 35:44

Have you found an 1815 chronograph?

SPEAKER_01 35:45

I've got a 24 I've got a 2499. I've got a Patek 24.99 here.

SPEAKER_05 35:51

Hold on. Before we get to yours, thoughts? Have you all tried on? Had a look. It's very nice. I've tried them on before.

SPEAKER_04 35:55

Absolutely love that dial layout because some of the dial layouts. The dial is some dial layouts are not nice from these, but that's the nicest I've seen. That feels like something from the golden era. Yeah. You know. Yeah. Yeah. And it's. I mean, honestly, if you said that was 20, if I walked into Burlington okay, I saw that at 22, 23, not really knowing the reference, not really knowing what I was looking at, the quality is there. It's amazing.

SPEAKER_03 36:18

The way Burlington Arcade makes money. Exactly. Yeah. Because there's people who yeah. There's people who don't. Exactly. What they're fine. I mean, I I sorry. Look at that.

SPEAKER_01 36:31

So I mean, I I was in a similar position to um to Justin actually when I when I went about it. And I um I sniffed around and I think similar to you two, I did not want to go for something that was super um just well known. I didn't want to go in there and buy the cheapest Tudor Black Bay I could or Rolex Date Just. Because I just kind of felt that it was it was a fun budget where you could get something really great. And for me, I wanted to find something that was not only um a steal, but also something that people could feel like they're really getting their teeth into, a complication. Because we know that time-only watches you can get at really good prices, but complicated watches, I think are we think of them as something more expensive.

SPEAKER_03 37:19

So when we talking?

SPEAKER_01 37:21

So, I mean, are we talking a you know, are we talking a date? Are we talking uh a chronograph?

SPEAKER_03 37:26

Day date.

SPEAKER_01 37:27

A day date, is that a complication? Or are we talking a triple calendar uh from Blanc Pan?

SPEAKER_04 37:34

You were raising an eyebrow at me when I was talking blonde pan. Well, only because I knew completely.

SPEAKER_01 37:39

You were sidewinding me. But look how thin this is. It's a triple calendar, it's a complicated blonde pan. No, it uh it is. It is blamey. And not not five grand. This was three thousand. Yeah, a full set. Oh, well, it doesn't have the box, but it's got the papers. Well, that's not a full set. Yeah, half set. Yeah, half set. Where from? Um so I'll I'll I'll go on to this now. But but a complicated with the original buckle. Yeah, it's 1993, it's highly complicated, it's triple calendar, so it's got day, month, date, moon phase, automatic, 34 mil step case. Really, really thin step case from the Beaver era. It's stainless steel, it's stainless steel. Um, but you know, if you want a birth year watch, this is this is what you're probably the nicest comedy phase ever made. It is such a good moon phase. It's one of the best. Um, and I should I should say, so I bought this from um uh a great vintage dealer in London called Falco Watches. And the reason I went there is that I I've bought lots of vintage from them before. And actually So that's what you're doing there. So that's what I'm doing. I was there last week, but they they had so many watches there at the five and under mark. They had a uh a precious metal AP disco volante in 18 karat yellow gold with a sectadial that I was really, really keen on. Um there was an IWC, a vintage IWC, which I thought about your your friend James Green. I thought that might be one of his. There's a photo will go up now. Um with amazing blue second hand. That was very, very cool. But I just I couldn't get past the fact that this was complicated from a Beaver era watch. £3,950 with the papers. Um it just looks amazing. It's so chassis. It's fully serviced.

SPEAKER_04 39:27

It's already serviced. It's it's stunning, there's no twist about it, and it's criminal value, isn't it? Criminal value for money. Only thing I would say is that 34, it is just a millimeter. Only if you've got heads.

SPEAKER_03 39:41

I think it's it wears too. I love it. I love it. But I very good at it.

SPEAKER_04 39:47

These might be the very good, these might be the very best guys in all of auctions right now. I I do think. Yeah. I I really do. Yeah, look at the ingredients, look how crisp that is. In ten years' time, we will be looking at these thinking, how are they so cheap? Like with the you know, when we look at you know, people who've been around for 40-50 years say, hey, I was at that auction and and that Newman sold for 10 grand or whatever. For us, there aren't many things of this era right now that feel like they could be that that to some extent, and these do feel like they have real opportunity. The Roman numerals, the small Roman numerals, it's got a real design to it.

SPEAKER_01 40:20

And I did think actually, I mean, it's got the original buckle, you know, from the 90s. It's the original buckle, great condition. And I did I did think to myself, you guys have just done a blonde pan event, and I think it it's fair to say it was a great success. And I think this kind of fits in with that. And what you know, when you see watches like this and the complications that the you know, the artisanal craft of the case, what do you think? I mean No, they're amazing. It's amazing, isn't it? Problem watch, probably watch. Yeah, you know for the same price as a Black Bay 58 news.

SPEAKER_05 40:49

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:50

Look at that.

SPEAKER_05 40:51

Yeah, it's compelling. I like how much you said uh it's got the buckle after you found out mine doesn't have the buckle. And this one has a buckle, and it's got a buckle.

SPEAKER_03 40:59

Well, in fairness, I think of the four of us, you're the only one without the original buckle. Mine's got the bigger.

SPEAKER_05 41:03

Justin's winning the race of the buckles, and maybe next challenge is who can buy the best buckle.

SPEAKER_04 41:08

Yeah, I'm really keen to see what you've picked up, Tim. Go on, Tim Boy, hit us. All right, so if this isn't good, if this isn't good, then I mean it's amazing that you're the last to tee off. He's the last to tee off on the phone. No, I didn't know. And he's seeing three go down the middle of the fairway 300 plus yards.

SPEAKER_05 41:23

And here he comes, the man in the business. I I just like Tim's a pro. Like, we're we're we're rookies. I'm expecting a Langerzona, complicated Patek, something along those lines. So let's uh let's see what that makes.

SPEAKER_03 41:36

It might surprise you that I've spent the least out of all of us, which is interesting, I think. Okay. Uh I didn't set out that way. I very nearly bought a blanc. It was white gold. You know, but was it calendar? Similar money. Was it a forced? Or was it a it wasn't a complete calendar, but it was more complete calendar. Well, there you go. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:56

It was it was it just like a bregae numeral. Jubilee Jubilee.

SPEAKER_03 42:00

Yeah. But then I found something on eBay, and uh that arrived. I thought you were banned on eBay. No, no, no, but I'm their best customer. Um I uh it arrived on Friday last week, and I opened the box and I had a bit of a shock. And I recorded that, uh, which we'll play now. This is what arrived. Uh oh my goodness. No, no, I've left the tags on because it needs to go back. Oh no. That is a JLC mysterious with a hand that's floating around in the middle of nowhere.

SPEAKER_01 42:43

The hand's broken off.

SPEAKER_03 42:44

Look how sharp the case is. I love it.

SPEAKER_01 42:47

But can um can uh Amy not fix that?

SPEAKER_03 42:50

So we tried. The issue is that and I I don't want a bad mouth eBay at all, but the the issue is that it went to the authentication, they took the watch apart and the what the hand fell off, and the seller is convinced that it wasn't that way. We've tried to put we've tried to put the hand back on, which which was successful, but then when you reassembled it, it came off again. And um yeah, I'm very upset because it's so fantastic. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Please don't take that off because it's going back from move after this episode. So you lost. Nope. So I changed gear.

SPEAKER_05 43:31

If we're just saying in this gear, is there a world where just wearing this watch with just the hour hand is just like is the biggest rags in the world?

SPEAKER_03 43:40

It's a bit like uh the brega uh subscription.

SPEAKER_05 43:43

Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_03 43:44

Or uh or an AP philosophique or something like that. What what did this set you back? Two and a half grand. Okay. That's uh that's an absolute bargain. It's 18 karat gold, JLC, Mysterious, the condition, the case. I've had one of those before. Mysterious.

SPEAKER_04 44:02

Can I turn that into an alarm clock to wake me up in the morning? With your voice. With your voice.

SPEAKER_05 44:06

I mean he was talking about more complications. Tim bought a one-hander. A one-hand wife, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 44:10

Well, we don't God. The one-hand wander. So we need to look after it because it's going back, sadly. So I changed gear. And I thought, well, if I'm going to win this contest, I need to buy something that's reliable, it's tasteful, it's well priced. Um and the best people, I think, to do that are Subdal. So I had a little word with the guys at Subdar. I know them pretty well. And um and I bought this thing.

SPEAKER_01 44:40

Oh, an Omega. An Omega. And it's got papers? Original boxes.

SPEAKER_03 44:45

Wow. It is. This is very cool, in my humble opinion. So this was sold in 1979 in Singapore. It's got stamped papers from the airport. Uh it's got, you know, all of this stuff. Look at this stuff. Isn't this nice? Original box. What is it? I know, I know, I know. This is the Seamaster design. This is the original design. This is uh a Seamaster day date in such crispy condition. Flew through the workshop because we're certified Omega Service Centre. Um it's really good, man. How much does that send you back? £1,750. Look at it. That's cheap. That's good. Look at the dye.

SPEAKER_04 45:44

Look at the condition that is fully unpolished. And this is similar to the Lang One in the way that it sheets the blue sheets. Don't pair, don't pair them.

SPEAKER_01 45:51

It's really good. And you can wear this anywhere. You can wear it in London, you can wear it in the line. Bear with me.

SPEAKER_03 45:56

I am I am not an Omega fan. I'm just not. I've never really owned one. I have for about 10 seconds.

SPEAKER_04 46:03

I realised I'm an Omega Disclet is lovely.

SPEAKER_03 46:05

That thing is a uh it'll change your mindset.

SPEAKER_04 46:08

Is that gonna sit on the website for a bit of time? Is that the sort of watch? I guess we'll find out, right? I think it's it's beautiful, and I love the full set. Have you That's perfect? I know.

SPEAKER_01 46:18

Look at that.

SPEAKER_04 46:19

There's no stretch. It's but is it is it is it is it exciting? That's my concern with that watch.

SPEAKER_03 46:25

Is it exciting to us? Me, I more so than I expected, to the world. I believe so. Because that's speaking to those collectors, right? Those omega collectors. And I know how well these things fly.

SPEAKER_04 46:39

You're not speaking to the fountain pen client or the lighter collector.

SPEAKER_03 46:43

No. Or the enthusiastic. The person that's interested in a watch. The enthusiast doesn't have the original buckle. Or the person that's gonna buy a, I would say, average priced uh example of a great watch. This is gonna go to a collector who's obsessed with the details, that wants the original little sachet envelope with the stamp from Singapore Airport. You know? That's who it's gonna go to. I think I think there are a few of those people.

SPEAKER_01 47:12

So this you know what's interesting to me here is actually um I think that Tim has bought, I expected you to buy the most interesting watch. You've actually bought the little watch. Oh well, I tried. I bloody well tried, didn't I? You did. So this is actually a panic buy then.

SPEAKER_03 47:25

Uh it's not a panic buy. It is? No, I just changed gear and I went into how am I gonna win this? And I think.

SPEAKER_04 47:32

But just wait, did you go out and find this or did this come to you? Was this placed on your desk at work? And someone said, What do you think of this? Hello.

SPEAKER_03 47:38

We buy- I've got a competition coming up. We buy 500 watches every month. And I chose one of those 500.

SPEAKER_01 47:46

Uh I don't think this can't. I'm not sure how to do that. It's good.

SPEAKER_04 47:49

That's close to the bone.

SPEAKER_01 47:50

We've been out sniffing around videotaping us, you know, videotaping us. I've been chucked out of bottoms. You've just you've just sat at your desk.

SPEAKER_04 47:57

Well. I've been chucked out stripped naked for difficulty surfed in children.

SPEAKER_03 48:01

Don't don't hate the player, hate the game. Uh, I don't think anyone in the rules said that that was not allowed. I went to the internal.

SPEAKER_04 48:09

We knew going in that we were worried about access. Yeah. We knew we had an all-access pass. You knew it. Which we were worried about. You knew it. But doesn't that make this watch a bit more disappointing?

SPEAKER_05 48:18

I don't agree.

SPEAKER_04 48:19

I'm a bit flat on that. I'm a little bit flat.

SPEAKER_05 48:20

Like I'll we'll let the comments go, but I have bought a manual wind, white gold, holy trinity with the wrong buckle that needs a server. You've bought a broken lighter. I think it's pretty mean study. And I don't think it's that close.

SPEAKER_04 48:39

The whole thing smells.

SPEAKER_03 48:40

Yours has got the wrong buckle. Yours is a buckle. You need to get over the buckle. The battery acid. The elegance. You can smell the elegance of that. Two of the four bits inside.

SPEAKER_05 48:50

It's a nice watch, by the way. This is a good watch.

SPEAKER_03 48:52

It's an amazing watch.

SPEAKER_05 48:54

It's an amazing watch. Do you have one or similar? No, I've got. Oh yeah, I've got the yellow gold one. Yeah, I've got a yellow gold quartz one. I've got the tuning fork one as well, which I still don't have back from service.

SPEAKER_03 49:05

It's a very I think I'm gonna win. And the reason for that is that I know how good that watch is. Did you ever buy a line up? 15 many. No. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_01 49:15

So here's here's I think the difference. I know that you wouldn't put your own money behind that. And I I think all three of us would put our own. Exactly. We would wear the, I would 100% wear that and love it.

SPEAKER_03 49:26

I know that's that's great and everything, but we didn't say that was one of the rules. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_05 49:29

But the thing is this one downside with the API I've bought is that no, I can't, is that I can't keep it, and that Justin can't buy it. That is the only downside, is we want to buy it.

SPEAKER_04 49:40

How do I because what I know for a fact, just to be clear, Tim wants to buy the ST2 Pont set. I know that. But I'm not going to. So I'm thinking quietly behind the scenes. Yeah. And I'm gonna say this, I shouldn't say. A little bit of horse training. You and I are gonna speak quietly behind the scenes. We'll have a little chat. This will be delivered to my address, right? And that'll be delivered to your address. Then we'll keep that very quiet between us. And then I'll win. Can I just say as well, picking up that watch was an absolute nightmare. Because Sobdell paid for that, I wasn't the pa the buyer of the watch. You could say I own it already. So I rocked up yesterday to Bonham's, and this is just a small nitbit because we can move on maybe now to the insights and the learnings. Uh because I wasn't the person that paid for it, but my name was on the registry, I wasn't able to walk out with it. And it caused no end of hell for for Tim mainly, because you were getting calls from me left, right, and centre, saying I'm being searched, and they want photos of you in every position uh to give to give access. So that was a small insight.

SPEAKER_01 50:32

I mean, for me, the most difficult part is um when I was reaching out to people, they don't, I know, I I have no name in the watch game. When when you reach out and say, Hey, this is Tim Green from Subdials. I don't do that. Well, you know, but if you did, or just think how you figured out the word, is that you oh yeah, morning.

SPEAKER_04 50:49

Tim Tim Green if you subdive.

SPEAKER_01 50:51

Yeah, or just with you know 400,000 subscribers on YouTube. I think people give you a bit of a deal. For me, it was a bit more difficult than I asked.

SPEAKER_05 51:02

This was a level playing field. Tim and I went out for breakfast yesterday, and um Tim left just before me, and the waiter came up to me and went, so how do you know Tim Green from Subdial? Wow, celebrity. Wow. I'm not, I'm not, and I'm not sure. Tim Green doesn't watch the podcast because he didn't know who I was.

SPEAKER_04 51:18

I just, you know, he's a man of good taste. And let's be clear, if Bond rocks up in the next film wearing that, yeah, that's pretty cool, right? No, no, no, no, no, no. You're thinking actually he needs to impress no one. He needs to impress no one, which is amazing. So that's what that watch does. My worry is it's kind of boring. And strategically, the one thing I've learned from this experience, you've got to stand out. You know, you're gonna be on their website with 500 other watches, yeah. It needs to be a little bit of something special. The S T du Pont is something I've never seen even close to the halls of Subdarl on their website yet. So we we And that's why I think it's special. This is gonna wallow, unfortunately, for weeks, if not months.

SPEAKER_05 51:53

I think someone will get that for Christmas. So they've got six, they've got they've got six months. They'll be happy with it for Christmas.

SPEAKER_03 51:58

Very good, it's very good. You guys are showing your hands as people that know nothing about the market.

SPEAKER_01 52:03

Can I just Can I just say to everyone who has just been to see the wonderful BlancPan exhibition at Subdial, this will be the cheapest one on there? £3,950, a complete calendar. Jean-Claude does sweat with paper.

SPEAKER_04 52:17

Sorry, sweat and tears in that thing.

SPEAKER_01 52:18

No, it won't. Well, it'll be the most complicated cheap one on there.

SPEAKER_05 52:22

So it's it's the cheapest non-precious metal complicated with the original buckle.

SPEAKER_03 52:31

If you want uh an urban you out, he's undercutting you from Blanc. He's undercutting you. There will be another one that's cheaper on the Zubdel website. Right, so just move your powder dry. Let's move on. Keep your powder dry and look for the other one.

SPEAKER_01 52:46

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 52:47

So we're coming up to an hour.

SPEAKER_04 52:49

Any learnings from someone who actually bought a watch outside of their work environment?

SPEAKER_03 52:52

My my advice, my my advice just before we we go into the we did say we were going to provide some useful buying advice. And my advice would be to read the condition section on a subdial listing, because in there you'll find things like no warranty because it's broken and there's no there's leaky batteries all over it. You'll also see something along the lines of not original buckle on on Jake's.

SPEAKER_01 53:20

Anything to say about mine?

SPEAKER_03 53:21

Well, uh not no box, no box. Steel. No, probably I'll just say, you know, not full set.

SPEAKER_05 53:30

Missing box.

SPEAKER_03 53:31

But might have papers.

SPEAKER_05 53:32

The AP strap, by the way, not uh BP strap on that.

SPEAKER_03 53:36

Right. And then on this one, full collector's set. Unpolished. Okay. So we'll see how that gets currently.

SPEAKER_05 53:44

Right, so we don't need to hear from Tim. We don't. Yeah. Tell us any advice.

SPEAKER_01 53:48

So the one thing I'd say, having I mean, I've not been in the industry, I don't buy from uh, you know, as a as a profession. Um, I earn my money outside of watches to live. Um but we can see I've uh it's a shame you can't afford a lawnmower. Sorry. However, what I do what I have learned is actually that the seller is the most important thing. It is it is the most important thing. It's even if you're paying, you know, I mean, the guys at Falco did me a real favor on this um by coming down to to to uh under four. Despite not knowing who you are. Yeah, yeah. That's good. But they um you know, buying, I would prefer to buy to buy a watch at 10% more than buy the cheapest watch out there, knowing that it's come from a seller where I can go back to them and say, something's gone wrong here, or down the line, it's been serviced by Rolex, and Rolex have said that the dial's fake or the hands are fake. And I can go back to the seller and say, hey, this watch you sold me, and they will they will make it right. And and I think that is the most important part of when you're dipping your foot into vintage, especially for the first time, is going with a well-known seller who who will stand by their product. Everyone makes mistakes. And I think that's the most, you know, the thing that you we need to know is that everyone does make mistakes, but it's how you deal with those mistakes at the end of it with who you deal with. And I'm sure out of all of out of all of you know, you don't have any backup from from Bonham's. You know, the watch is sold. You can't use it.

SPEAKER_04 55:25

But you can't go back.

SPEAKER_01 55:26

You can't go back with that. They'll say it's sold as is. Yes. Maunda will stand by their watch, Subdal will stand by their watch. Subdal.

SPEAKER_03 55:32

Falco paid for your watch, are left holding the whatever it is. And Falco, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 55:40

You're in a position of you're having to concern as much. That's that's what I would say. A new old stock. Yeah. Speaks for itself.

SPEAKER_05 55:45

Yeah. Yeah. So I I didn't mention this earlier, but actually, one of the things I found, a couple people messaged me saying, I bet you could negotiate on a new Grand Seiko. So I actually called two shots and said, We would have lost. Doing a bit of a challenge. Uh, well, I actually got quite far. I was going for the eight grand, seven grand, the elegance line, the SBGY cases, like the one I was lent kindly by Subdal. I basically just said, I've got five grand for a watch and I love these watches. Can you get there?

SPEAKER_01 56:13

And the problem is they go for 50% off retail.

SPEAKER_05 56:17

Yeah, but you wouldn't have lost, but but you might have got somewhere with that. Is that I'm not giving you advice. Some people like having a brand new watch. And what I learn is that you can 100% call an AD, call a house, and say, I love this watch, this is where I'm at. How close can you get to me? And certainly that people were up for kind of having those, having those conversations. I spoke with a handful of other dealers as well. So Alex Stevens Vintage, uh Wiseman Watches. Uh, didn't actually speak to watches of Knightsbridge that much, but I found that they all had stock on their website, but they all had additional stock as well, which was kind of in processing as well. So they were all quite happy to kind of dig around and see what else they had. So quite a lot of them were forthcoming saying, Oh, I've not listed it yet, I've done this, but I do have an explorer, or I do have a day just that I can see.

SPEAKER_01 57:00

Will Wiseman is an absolute gentleman.

SPEAKER_05 57:02

I've I've dealt with him a few times, and he's really I I haven't bought anything from him, but even he was going, I basically said if you've got a 34, 36 mil Rolex, it's not on your website, I'd be curious to know what else you have. And he was like, Leave it with me, leave me see what else so I can dig out. Um, and I think there's real credit to that, and you can kind of, again, you're in the market for one of these watches. You don't just have to go with what you can see on the website or what you can see on Chrono 24. You could probably reach out to some of these dealers, and even if they don't have it, and you say, I've got 5k and I want to buy an explorer, I'm confident that a lot of them will be on the hunt for that and and try and do you right in that sense. So, yeah, it's a few interesting learnings there. Um, there were two other people I did try and buy bregay on Chrono 24, which I did not get a response from. So, apologies.

SPEAKER_03 57:43

Um I went in to the um to the game challenge, thank you. Uh aiming for Breggae. I thought Breggae would be the one that if you can get it at the right price, that would be.

SPEAKER_05 57:55

There was a lot in the US. I I basically had two days, so so I was like, I I have to get it from England. So, yeah, there were there are certainly a few out there, but yeah, a few cheeky questions every now and then. I basically asked three people that had an eight grand watch, would you do it for five? Two said no, but one said yes. So um I think there's something in there.

SPEAKER_01 58:13

I'm just gonna say I'm I'm really impressed, actually. I think we've all we've ordered them really well, and I think that leaves us with just the future of this podcast. Oh, there's one podcast.

SPEAKER_03 58:22

One more well, we have one more agenda point. We do. And there's another watch that we bought. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 58:29

Uh actually this is not a subdial watch, this is a watch we've we've bought. We've bought it, haven't we? We bought it for four of ourselves.

SPEAKER_04 58:35

Maybe transfer's coming.

SPEAKER_01 58:36

Good, good, good, good.

SPEAKER_04 58:37

It's been an expensive few weeks. Well, apart from that. I'm looking for some money for this.

SPEAKER_03 58:40

This is um, this is a special one, actually. It comes in a little sub-dal bag, and it's one for this man here. This man behind the camera. Not you, the audience. Come on George, headphones off.

SPEAKER_01 58:52

Come on, come on around, come on round, George. Yep. So we just want to say a massive thank you for all the hard work that you've done and the weekends that you've put into producing this.

SPEAKER_00 59:02

Uh this man has been relentlessly working on this for us. So, why don't I take that off you and you you open it up and uh yeah, have a look and see what you think. Someone's bought me a watch.

SPEAKER_02 59:11

Yeah. Very touched. Oh my god, it's an emblem. Come on, so I'm saying, go, come on.

SPEAKER_04 59:16

There we go. Top secret.

SPEAKER_02 59:23

Okay, we got, I think this is a Piaget.

SPEAKER_03 59:27

Might be.

SPEAKER_02 59:29

Lovely vintage flakes. Four boxes. Four boxing papers. Original flakes. Oh, look at that.

SPEAKER_03 59:34

It's falling to bits. It's falling to bits. Don't inhale it. Don't inhale it. You might recognise that one.

SPEAKER_02 59:42

That's that's your old watch. So this is a white gold Piuget protocol.

SPEAKER_03 59:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 59:50

Which I used to own.

SPEAKER_03 59:51

Yeah. And I reached out to the person that bought it and made him an offer he can refuse.

SPEAKER_02 59:57

That's amazing. Because I know how much you you love that watch. Amazing. Thank you for watching. Thank you, George. Yeah, thank you for things, guys. Thank you for everything.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:05

It's been a pleasure.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:07

Still got all of the uh paperwork and everything.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:09

Well deserved.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:10

It's probably still got some of your DNA in there.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:14

They have been holding me against my will, but this is a small concession.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:18

There you go. Thank you so much, George.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:22

Nice. Thanks, guys.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:28

Can I just say if we are still we're still um recording, just as a s a small side note, the Sale Room.com is an aggregator of small scale auction houses in the UK. If you're prepared to take a risk, which I've done many times, and and as we've seen today has paid off, um it's a wonderful platform because you can actually save search different keywords and every morning I get an email update with just the word watch, or I've got Dunhill in there because I liked some of the watches from Dunhill's past. I've got um IWC Vasheron and basically every morning, and they're tiny little auction houses you would never normally see. Huge premium to bid through them, but sometimes you just get the most amazing things. So the sellroom.com is my one uh nugget.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:11

Bro, can I get can I go back to talking about George instead? Sorry, forgive me. Um I'm now like an influencer, I'm like Justin holding the old microphone. Um but when we wanted to do this, we knew that George was going to be both cameraman and editor and sound man. You did say I've never edited or shot a podcast ever before. So I just think like some credit needs to go to him that I think we've got a great product, and actually you're making it up as you go along to a point. But uh Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:39

And that that does lead us on to the future then. So I don't know if you want to take away Tim and let us know where the where the because we said we were gonna do six episodes, and this is episode six now of our finale as a tester. So season two.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:49

Well it was touch and go, wasn't it? Because I wasn't too look at this guy. Um I wasn't too sure. No, but I I think everyone, I think it's been a resounding success, hasn't it? And um, and we've spoken to Subdoll Leadership, and they've said that they would love to continue the relationship going forward. So we hope uh that we'll be starting with season three in I think three weeks after this one goes live. Netflix in Asia and these on Prime as well.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:19

And we do have a very, very, very special guest on, actually. I don't know if we want to tease it or not, or shall we let it be a little bit more than a little bit more?

SPEAKER_03 1:02:25

Yeah, there's someone someone quite special.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:26

There's someone very special to join us for a one-off. The CEO of a very special brand.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:31

Yeah, yeah. So that's something to look forward to. But there'll be a brief hiatus between this episode and when we find the results of who won the challenge. It's obviously gonna be me. I think there's disqualification on that side of the table. That's disqualification's wire.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:49

You know when you're trying to sell a watch, the dealer always comes at you, whether it's a car or a watch. They always say, but there's this missing, there's this missing. It's because they love it. That's what Tim's doing right now. He absolutely loves the ST DuPont. He's trying to come at me with all sorts of cack about it. Nothing's always leaking in there. If it was working. Nothing's leaking in there.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:06

I can just see Emma just uh peering out over there. I wonder what she would choose out of these four watches. Who's the winner, Emma?

SPEAKER_06 1:03:16

Okay, Emma, so here we go.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:18

Here we go. So we're we've got four watches.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:20

Where's yours?

SPEAKER_04 1:03:21

Right. Just as a quick take, just as a quick take.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:24

Do you want to be on camera or not? We they could bring them to her.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:27

Okay, just so for an instance, so we've got a blond pattern dress watch that's complicated. And then you've got Moodle Amiga.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:34

Am I just saying which one I like the most?

SPEAKER_04 1:03:35

Yeah. And then you've got this one on my wrist so much. You've got this this AP, this white gold AP. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:42

Just what you what you prefer out of it.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:43

What do you mean exactly? You're the the the proponent of smaller. Oh, I like that one. Okay. This one. Bit boring. A little bit boring. God damn it. Bit too complicated. It's like that. And then the the fourth. That doesn't work, by the way.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:58

Were you looking?

SPEAKER_00 1:03:59

Not this one. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:01

Sbomba the palm.

unknown 1:04:03

Wow.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:03

You can smell the uh leaking batteries. I think we know which one you like. Let's be honest. You know where you're going.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:08

The thing is, I know which one Celine's is.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:10

Yeah, so don't pick that one.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:12

Either one of these two, because I feel I'm biased because I that's elegant, though, isn't it?

SPEAKER_04 1:04:16

That is elegant. I I'd probably pick this one. Yes. She's married the right man. And that's why I've married her.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:23

Thank you. Yeah. Thank you for that. Thank you. All right, guys, there we go. So we'll see. Episode seasons three. We are melting out here.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:31

Coming soon. And thank you very much for joining us along the way. Um, it's been great. Thank you for the comments. Comments also, please, from you guys as to how much you think I'm gonna win by um and what you think of the other dross that these guys have brought along. And and thank you so much for watching. See you in season three. Thanks, guys. Thank you, buddy.