Manhood Series Episode 3: Who Are You?

In this episode, Duncan, Josh, and Max explore the concept of identity from a biblical perspective, emphasizing the importance of understanding one's identity in Christ. They discuss the foundational role of salvation in establishing identity, the struggles men face in recognizing their worth, and the significant impact of fatherhood on shaping identity. The conversation highlights the need for men to break free from societal expectations and to embrace their identity as sons of God, ultimately leading to a more fulfilling life.

Takeaways:

• Identity is a crucial aspect of understanding oneself as a man of God.
• Many men struggle to articulate their identity beyond their roles and jobs.
• Salvation is the starting point for discovering true identity.
• The enemy often attacks our identity, leading to confusion and doubt.
• Fathers play a vital role in imparting identity to their children.
• Men often tie their identity to performance and achievements.
• Understanding one's identity in Christ can lead to freedom from societal pressures.
• Hearing God's voice is essential for affirming one's identity.
• The concept of being an orphan can affect how men view their relationship with God.
• Breaking free from conditional love is necessary for embracing God's grace.

Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:00

Who are you? Or more importantly, who does God say that you are? These are some important questions. You know, identity is this $5 word in Christendom today. It's thrown around quite a bit, but what does it really mean to know who you are as a man of God? How does God's word define it? That's what we're going to talk about today here on Three in the Fire.

SPEAKER_01 0:59

Good to be here. Hey, Duncan. Hey, Max.

SPEAKER_03 1:03

Well, we've got a great show lined up. Uh, and I was really excited, uh, Josh, to get ready for this topic. This is something that you wrote about in your book, Change on the Rise, um, which uh everybody just I'll I'm gonna let them know right up front. You can get this anywhere books are sold, you can get them online. Um, Josh has written a fantastic book for men, um, and it really does cover the uh five phases of manhood is how Josh is divided up. And we're gonna talk about one of the most important today. We're gonna talk about a man's identity and what really goes into this because this is core, isn't it, Josh?

SPEAKER_00 1:39

Oh, it is. I mean, it's foundational to everything. We you know, we started talking about manhood. Um, and before we get too far, we really need to start at the foundation um of who we are, because uh who we are and what we believe about ourselves and and who we are, um that that impacts and dictates everything else um in our life and the relationships we build and and ultimately our legacy.

SPEAKER_03 2:04

Absolutely agreed. So why don't we just why don't we just dive in here and let's let's start chasing this thing. If if a guy is, you're sitting down with a guy, let's say Josh, and you know, I know you have coffee with guys quite a bit, and I'm I'm pretty sure this topic comes up fairly regularly. Um, I know you encounter it a lot. I know Max, you do too. I do too all the time because we see these different struggles where guys try to identify or find identity from the things that are around us, from the things of the world and so forth. Um, but when you start this conversation, Josh, where do you where do you take off from?

SPEAKER_00 2:43

Well, you know, it's uh it's it's a conversation and a question that I'm not sure many men really think about in in much depth. Um and you know, I sent you guys earlier this clip from a movie um uh that I really love because it it perfectly um uh I mean it shows it shows that that question of that dynamic and how most men where most men are at, and and it's uh the movie Anger Management, and and in that scene you have Jack Nicholson played by uh he's uh his character is Buddy, and then you've got Adam Sandler, his character is Dave. They're sitting there in the first session of Anger Management, and Buddy says to Dave, Dave, tell us who you are.

SPEAKER_03 3:26

Tell us who you are, Dave. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 3:28

And he starts off by saying, Well, I'm an executive assistant at this major uh pet products company, and and Buddy stops him and he says, Hey, I don't I don't want you to tell us what you do. Tell us who you are. And then he goes, Well, I I like playing tennis, and and then he goes, No, Dave, just simply that, you know, that's your hobbies, Dave. Tell us who you are, as he's getting more frustrated, and and you know, he goes, Well, I'm a nice guy, and you know, and he's like, No, Dave. Yeah, um and and at one point he even looks to the guy next to him, right? Yeah, can you can you tell me? And uh you know, he's like, You want him to tell you who you are? And uh and ultimately you're describing your personality days, right? And he just gets he gets angry and you know, he's like, I don't know how to answer this question. Great scene. And um, you know, I just think so many guys, if you were to really ask them that question and press press him just like the the uh the scene in that movie, you'd get a similar response because that's where we start. You know, this is this is what I do for work.

SPEAKER_02 4:32

So most guys are Adam Sandler when it comes to this conversation. That's what we're saying. Exactly, right?

SPEAKER_03 4:37

Who do you say?

SPEAKER_00 4:39

Yeah, you know, that that's our default response is is what we do, um, our hobbies, the teams we root for, where we went to school, things like that. Um, and but those are just surface level answers. And and God sees deeper than that, and we need to get to a deeper place um because we need we need to really understand who we are at our core and who God says that we are, because from that place we can operate um as the as the man that he's created us to be.

SPEAKER_03 5:10

So, so what is what does that look like when a, you know, because the world will tell us, you know, you know, go, you know, I I'm gonna go off on a trip to discover myself. And, you know, and I remember hearing that all the time when I was growing up. And then of course, you know, if you turn on Disney or whatever, it's you know, believe in yourself. We we hear that a lot these days also. Um, but where is is really, if we're talking from a biblical perspective, what is the first step to really finding out who you truly are as a man?

SPEAKER_00 5:41

Well, it I mean, truly it all starts with salvation, right? Because um that's where the new you is born. That's that's where we're adopted in uh and and given this new identity. Um and so if we're gonna start anywhere, we start there. Um and uh and and Jesus invites us in. Um and uh I'm reminded of uh a story uh or a conversation I had with um with a friend of ours, Michael Cheney. And uh, you know, we were talking about the story where where Jesus was uh walking along the Sea of Galilee, and uh he was inviting fishermen um to uh to follow him. And and we've we've heard that story. Um, and but what he what he asked me is a question I never really considered was how many other fishermen did Jesus approach that day that declined his invitation? You know, we don't we don't read about that, it doesn't say, but there maybe there was other fishermen that he approached and said, hey, follow me, and they said, No, I'm you know, I'm too busy. Um, you know, I gotta I gotta fish or you know, whatever. Um, but they missed out on that opportunity to follow the Son of God. And and that is the same invitation um that that we get today. You know, we're invited to follow Jesus, and we can either say yes or no. Um, and he's just gonna keep on walking and keep on going. And so um, so salvation is foundational because once once we are saved, um then uh like I said, we're we're adopted in, we're given a new identity um as a son of God. Um now from that place, there's you know, even when you're saved, you can still struggle with that. And we we see that a lot. Um and and a lot of that, you know, we look at uh uh there there's a lot of confusion sometimes around around salvation because of um uh man's interpretation and uh religious tradition and all these things that have been added over the years can really complicate what God designed uh to be simple. You know, the simple invitation um is now complicated by by human tree you know, human tradition and all this other all these other things. Um and so the result today is is you have a lot of s of uh men that um that are saved that are confused if they are, if they aren't, because that's where the enemy attacks, he's gonna uh attack us um at that foundation. Just like he did with Jesus in the wilderness, you know, he would start with if you are the son of God, so he's he's attacking identity, um, and so he attacks us in the same way.

SPEAKER_01 8:44

Um in your experience, ducking in your experience, when you talk with a guy and you ask him that question, hey, who are you? Or tell me about yourself, when is it often that one of the first things out of his mouth is I'm a child of God, or I'm uh I'm a I'm a man of God? No. Because it typically either is the job, right, or his family, or some role that he plays. And and on from the other standpoint, maybe you're the same, that's what I want to find out, is that I'm usually taken back when he does say that I'm a child of God or I'm a man of God. Because I'm like, wow, how bold. How dare you say that, right? You're supposed to give some kind of you know, platitude or some kind of dull answer.

unknown 9:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:34

Has it been y'all experience that you you run into guys who are claiming to be men of God?

SPEAKER_03 9:41

I it hasn't been my experience, uh honestly. And you know, I I've got a lot of relationships in the church, um, a lot of relationships, you know, all around Christianity. And then I've got a lot of relationships in the world because of voice acting and stuff like that that I've done and so forth. So I know a lot of people from both both spheres. Um and and even with those in the church, it's still a rare thing. I find it to be more frequent. Maybe if he's a pastor and he's a little more seasoned in the word and has a little bit more experience, or maybe he's just a little more polished, let's say, so he knows the right answer. You may not, he may not fully grasp it himself. So I I see that sometimes, but again, it's it more often than not, it seems like a needle in the haystack to me. You do get the the typical resume. Um, I get a lot of, well, I was born in, um, which I do understand because that is that is a frame of reference for us. Where were you born or who were you born to? Who were your parents? So that that's a natural, natural frame uh of reference and all of that, albeit it it's still an unredeemed worldly one, because if you're a Christian, God has become your father, like Josh was saying early on. You know, I I don't think it can be said too often, Josh, to kind of circle back for just a second on something, uh, on this whole thing with identity, is we forget that uh an unsaved guy, the unsaved person, the Bible describes him as lost and describes us as orphans. So that that spiritual adoption you're talking about comes right in there in Romans 8:15. But that place of being lost, just if you've were ever a kid and you can remember a lost experience, being at the mall with your parents, you know, and turning around and they're not there or something like that. That is the perspective that the Bible says this is where you're at if God's not your father and you don't know that you're his son, and that's not your frame of reference, you're gonna get confused really fast. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. What um what are some as as far as this thing about about struggles, Josh? Um, we we've kind of kicked around this thing with uh with with guys getting lost about it, but you mentioned earlier, you mentioned Jesus, okay? This is really important. That Jesus addresses this question in scripture, and you specifically referenced Matthew chapter four. Um I I'd like to to to revisit that just for a second if we can, because you brought up the whole thing of of the enemy using if you're the son of God. And I just I think that's a really huge topic right there, a really huge thing that to underscore because he did the same things. I that's how the whole thing got started for man getting lost in the first place, was him doing the the if-then scenario, the questioning of God's nature and stuff like that. Could we circle around that for just a second?

SPEAKER_00 12:39

Yeah, I mean, um uh, you know, that's like I said, that's where where the enemy loves to attack is on identity, because if he can if he can get you to um to bite on that and believe that you and question um who you are and and who God says you are, um, then then he really can destroy you. Um but that's what he was trying to do with Jesus with every attack. You know, if you are the son of God, then do these things. But Jesus would always respond with um, he would respond with God's word, you know, he'd say, for for it's for it is written. Um and and that's the same response that we need to have when the enemy attacks uh attacks us. So when we know who we are, we know God's word, um then we can respond in the same way. And uh, you know, with Jesus, um, you know, he he had already been his identity had been affirmed um at his baptism, you know. Um God said, This is my son and in whom I'm well pleased. And that was before he had done anything, before he had started his ministry or or done any any teaching or anything like that. And so he knew who he was because he heard his father's voice say who he was. And and we can we can get that too. You know, the scripture in uh Romans 8, I think it is, says um that uh the spirit testifies with our spirit that we're sons of God. And so what that means is we can we can one, we can hear God's voice, um, and we can ask him that question. We can ask we can ask him those questions and and he can affirm our identity as sons of God, just like he did with Jesus. And it's been my experience in in ministry is when guys hear God's voice um in that way, um, then it changes everything. And and the enemy can't take that away. When you hear God's voice and you know you heard his voice, um, and you know that he affirmed that, um, the enemy, the enemy can't take that away. You know, if if I told you, Duncan, you know, you're a son of God, um, that might feel good and it might remind you, or, you know, but the enemy can easily say, well, you know, Duncan, what does Josh know? You know, he doesn't really know what's going on in your heart and in your mind, you know. So, but when, but when God says those words, you know, the the enemy, the enemy can't attack those. It's, you know, no, I heard God's voice. Not today, Satan.

SPEAKER_03 15:15

I think it's remarkable really that that the devil he he tried that, you know, if you look at those temptations where he he starts talking to Jesus there in Matthew 4, he he he he didn't come at that just once and go, oh, okay, well, you're kind of sharp here, you know, so I'm gonna skip. He did come back to it. And and so what that tells me that number one, it is an old, old weapon of his. And like you said earlier, it is foundational. And so if we if we draw our identity from the world and from what's around us, or even from those around us, versus the vertical axis with God, then we're going to get confused, we're going to get lost. It's a sandy foundation. You you mentioned that Jesus appeals to the word of God. And in Matthew 7, he says that's a rocky foundation. So that when those flood waters come and the wind starts beating against the house, i.e., the enemy starts questioning, who are you, who are you? Really? Do you really know? Yeah, I do know. God, my God, my father answered that question. It's right here in his word. And I remember him talking to me about it on a mountain. I remember him talking about it here. I I think that's so so core. One of the other things that you talked about is let's kind of look at the opposite there. What are some of the things that that guys kind of tend to gravitate towards as far as identity? We I think we we kind of brushed at them a little bit, but maybe we can pick at that just a little bit more to kind of help guys understand and tease this out a bit more.

SPEAKER_00 16:48

Um yeah, you know, like like I mentioned, kind of the the normal things that you hear is is career. Um this is what I do for work and uh and you know, hobbies, where I went to school, um and things like that. And and I think some amount of that is is measuring each other up too, you know. Um but uh yeah, it's it's interesting that those are the the places that we go first. Um and uh and I guess I'll ask you guys a question. Um uh like why why do you think um we we as men tie our identity into those things?

SPEAKER_03 17:31

Max, you want to take this one first?

SPEAKER_00 17:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:34

Uh I think it's because we somewhere along the way, we believe that it is our responsibility to establish our identity, that it's it's within our control, and that it's not something that is that's God given and God chiseled. And so maybe it's because we see our fathers work hard or we see we see them do what they do, and we believe that we're supposed to get our identity the same way they did, and more than likely, um I know it was the case with me. Uh, my dad struggled in his identity, much like I did early on, because nobody ever taught him. Nobody ever said, hey, here's where your identity comes from. And and I think that we as men somehow take on that uh that responsibility to say, I've got to determine who I am. So I so the fastest way for me to do that is to find it either in this is what I do, or this is who uh I'm I'm married to her, or these are my kids, or I do this at church, and it's it's all about the do, right? And it's it's not about who. And so because we have a hard time understanding that, and it it from my just from what I I would think, it it it causes me to have to draw close to God to know who I am. And because that is somewhat mystical for some men, we avoid it and we make up one. It's like a graven image, right? This is who I am. I'm Bob the welder, right? That's good. So um I I would think that that's from my experience, that seems to be the what the case may be. Duncan, what do you think?

SPEAKER_03 19:16

I th that's really good. You you bringing up the um the whole idea about the false self. Yeah. Because there is, there's we always talk about there's the person that everybody sees, and then there's there's the person that you are behind closed doors. That's the one that God sees. Um, but but you can, we can build up before we realize it, we really can build up this entire false image, this whole false world, and really build an idol. Uh and and boy, then we really, howdy Bob, get lost. Um a scripture that meant so much to me just years ago when I first put it to heart, Josh. I know it's come to mean a lot to both of you guys too. Um, Jeremiah 9, 23 through 24, this is what the Lord says. Let not the wise man boast in his wisdom, which a guy can, okay. I'm I'm a professor of so-and-so. I've got these degrees and whatever, and so forth. Let not the mighty man boast in his might, okay? Well, I'm the CEO of this company, and and you know, this many people answer to me, et cetera, et cetera. Or I, you know, I'm honored to Nega, you know, okay. Whatever, however you want to frame the mighty man there. Or, you know, let not the wise man boast in his wisdom, let not the mighty man boast in his might, let not the rich man boast in his riches, but let him who boasts that he understands and knows me. God breaks it down right there. And so there is, I think the scripture really paints this dilemma. You got one of two choices. You can't serve two masters. You're either going to come to build an identity in Christ, in God, and that is a solid foundation when all the world comes tumbling down around you, or you're gonna build it in the world. And if you do, there's gonna be a paycheck for that one also, and you get lost, life gets comp complicated, and and before you know it, you know, you're you're just out in the weeds, period. And I I love the way the scripture breaks it down right there so easily and clearly for us. Uh a kid can get that.

SPEAKER_01 21:20

Yeah. I I wanna I want to throw another log on the fire if I can. I was uh just last night was at a um uh it was a holiday party, and the um, but there were political candidates that were there who were announcing that they were going to be involved in an upcoming, upcoming election. And what was interesting to me was that the the male candidate candidates, they all talked about these things that you and we've been talking about here. Here's who I've here's what I've done. I did this all my life and that kind of thing. But the female candidates didn't mention what they had done occupationally. They had talked about who they were, right? Uh I'm this, I was born here. I'm the the the the the daughter of uh I've uh raised these children, right? It's a little bit there in far as far as mission, but they were much more about who they truly were and not so much about what they had done. So I'm just I'm I was intrigued thinking, I wonder why that is. I wonder why it is that uh perhaps the uh the female gender, do they do they have a little bit better understanding of who they are and don't replace it with what they do as much? I I I don't know. Maybe you guys know.

SPEAKER_00 22:35

Yeah, that's an interesting observation.

SPEAKER_03 22:39

Josh just went, huh? Nice. Uh you see that sky today? I'll throw I'll throw something at that at that really quick, and and that is number number one, we do know physiologically that that men compared to women, uh women compared to men in this regard, they actually have more hemispheric connections between between the the lobes of the brain. Okay, this is just a fact, okay. Men, we we kind of got like a a two-lane thoroughfare, basically, compared to them. They've got a mix master, they've got stuff going back and forth. What does that mean? It means they move back and forth between left and right brain, between creative and business side and so forth. You know, that's why my wife or your wife can sit there and she's stirring at the stove. You know, she's got one kid you know down here on the rocker and she's moving it back and forth with her foot. You know, she's washing her hands at the same time. She's got a phone in her ear and she's saying, Oh yeah, I'll be there tomorrow, dear, and we'll talk about this and this and this and so forth. Don't you put your hands on him? You know, and she's telling the other kids. So there's some of that. But but it's I I think it it goes back to the garden connection also. You know, for us as guys, we've we've always had this struggle about that garden connection. I still, I I still, as a man of God, I do struggle um more in in the intimacy of prayer than I do being in the Word of God. So I think as guys, we always have to work at getting to know God better and better. Hey there guys. Hope you've been enjoying this series on biblical manhood. I know we sure have. What we're really excited to tell you about, though, is that we have our first event. That's right. We're gonna give you a chance to get together with us, live and in the flesh. What a blessing that'll be, right? It'll be a great time, though. And we're gonna go deeper on everything that we've been talking about and exploring in this series. The definitions, all of the, all of the exciting things, roles, calling. How do we do this as men, the struggles that we bump into along the way, and the importance of having other guys, your wingmen in your life that are helping you do this. We're gonna explore all of that and we're gonna do activities that are directly connected to helping you make those heart and mind connections to really, really walk this out. July 10th through the 12th, 2026 will be our first event. And you can check us out at Sentinel Ministries.com forward slash event. Sentinel Ministries.com forward slash event for all of the details, but hey, sign up soon because registration is open and seats are gonna be going fast. We hope to see you there.

SPEAKER_00 25:25

Yeah, you know, uh uh I I heard someone say once um fathers impart identity. And then I I think about also that um that you can only give what you first receive. And when you put those things together, you know, if if I'm if I am uh uh having that intimate relationship, as he talked about, Duncan, with with the Lord and re and I've received my identity from him, and I'm walking in that identity, then uh then I can impart that same thing to my son too. Now he still has to make the decision to follow Jesus himself, and he still has to hear God's voice himself, but uh my voice can reinforce that. Um my voice can remind him of that. Um and uh so I think about how important that that is for me to be walking in that identity so that I can show my son what that looks like or my sons and uh and it impart those things into them as well. Um and I think you know, you look at society and there's such a breakdown in in uh the home and with fathers and absent fathers and checked out fathers. And so you see, you know, so many uh so many young men uh they they don't know who they are because no one's told them who they are or what they're supposed to do or modeled it. Um and then as a result, you know, they uh like right now I've got uh a son in that's a freshman in high school, and so the questions are already starting about well, what do you want to do when you grow up? You know, what do you want to do when you graduate? Where do you want to go to school? Um, and those are uh those are things that he's gonna start attaching identity to. And, you know, well, I've got to go do, I want to go do this thing, you know, this for a career, and I'm gonna go to this school, and right, those are the things right away as an adult man. This is my job, this is where I went to school. Um, and you know, that's just this this cycle, right? And um, you know, if you don't, if you don't have um the the father at home um that's saying those things are those things are great and important, but that's not who you are. That's what you do for work, and and that's where you're educated, but that's not who you are.

SPEAKER_03 27:53

That's a that's a great point right there, Josh. Um, I'm reminded of first John 3, 1, behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed upon us that we should be called the sons of God. Yeah so so that's that idea that psychologists, you know, it it took them a while to catch on. They're always borrowing from God's stuff. Um God, God is the one who who first said, hey, identity there's a large chunk of that that the dad is uniquely responsible, he's uniquely empowered for um to dads out there, you know, that are that are wondering about the impact that they can have. This scripture right here is something you you you gotta have in your arsenal because it says right there that we get identity from God, our Father, and and and the the primary way we experience it is through this love of His. And so when we start setting ourselves up in that capacity to try and reflect God's love towards our kids, love Him the way the them, the way He loves us unconditionally, being present, giving them our time, our attention, disciplining them in a righteous way when we need to, but being tender and restoring them and forgiving them also, there's so much that comes out of that that kids they they don't put it all together at the time, but eventually as things as they get older, they start putting all those pieces together. And before they realize it, that they've overcome a lot of those barriers that you talk about. I remember hearing years ago um data from the National Fatherhood Initiative, you know, and and all of the high metrics and the highest ones specifically, you know, of those that are in in prison, you know, in recidivism of going back to prison, that um mental illness that are that you know get involved in crime and addictions and other things, those are father absent homes in in some capacity. And so it it you you really came across a huge thing there that I wanted to underscore. Um we're starting to wind down on time here, but I think this is really important. You this is something you you brought up in your show notes that I think we should get to, Josh. Um so let's say a guy is saved now, but then there's there's identity struggles that come after that also. You brought up why do men struggle to believe God's grace? You know, after we after we're saved and all, we can, you know, we can continue to struggle in this identity thing. Could we could we kick that around just for a second here?

SPEAKER_00 30:31

Yeah, you know, that's that's a great question. And um, you know, I think a lot of it from my experience, guys that that struggle with that, it it goes a lot of it goes to their upbringing and their relationship with their father. You know, if if their relationship um with their father growing up was was one that was conditional um uh and and based on performance, um, then as a man you grow up and you're like, well, God only loves me if I'm performing well. Um He's only gonna accept me if I'm if I'm performing well, and it's conditional if I if I mess up, then I'm gonna get punished.

SPEAKER_03 31:10

Right.

SPEAKER_00 31:11

Um and you know, it's very difficult um to break that uh that thought pattern, that stronghold. And so uh so a lot of it, you know, and from my experience can can go back to those those places of childhood, um uh you know, your upbringing and woundedness and things like that. Um and uh and so it's important to to dig into those places and allow God to speak into those those um those places where you're hurting or your childhood or woundedness and and allow God to replace those uh the those lies of the enemy is really what it is, and those hurts um with his love and with his truth um so that you can begin to to really believe and embrace his grace and his love um and change your thinking. Um and uh you know, it's just like I said, it's such a difficult, uh difficult thing to to break that that mindset. But um yeah, I don't know. Max, do you have it, you have any thoughts on that?

SPEAKER_01 32:23

You know, Duncan, you meant you mentioned orphanism or being an orphan. Um and I I think we struggle with that. I think because of men trying to be independent and self-reliant, then we see ourselves as as distant from God. And uh I'm sure that if I need help, I could call him, he'd come over and give me some assistance, but right now I got this, right? So I'm thinking that in regard to that, our that orphan mindset puts us in a uh kind of a perception that uh we're gonna take God's leftover time. He he doesn't have time for me. You know, uh I'm not, and and you guys mentioned it a second ago, I'm not performing at the level at which he's pleased at. So he's probably I'm not top on his list. And we we kind of project onto God the way that we that we treat other people, right? I don't, you know, you're not really performing for me right now, so I don't have a lot of time for you. And and we believe that that's the case. And so we even though God is is giving us identity and has all, you know, uh wants to prosper us, wants to give us a life of of abundance as far as fully living, but we we have this attitude that I still, yeah, I know that, I hear that, and and I agree with that, but you know, I still have to earn it, right? I still have to do something. There's some kind of merit exchange that that has to take place in order for me to get what God has for me. And and until we can, because it takes the surrender, right? You have to surrender that mentality. And for most men, this one included, it felt like you're having to give up part of you, that you you weren't going to be the same man. You couldn't be who you really felt like God had called you to be because you were giving that part up, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_03 34:17

Yeah. As we get ready to wrap things up here, guys, you know, Jesus, Jesus said in Matthew 16, about the 26th verse there, he said, What will a man give in exchange for his own soul? You know, what does it profit to man profit a man to gain the whole world and then forfeit his own soul? And and he says that in tandem with follow me. So there's going to be that choice where if we're going to really know, come to know who we truly are as men, Jesus says, you're going to find it over here with me. You're not going to find it over there. And I think that's a good way to kind of put a button on things for us today. Jesus is the one who has the right to rename us. He's the one who knows the truth about our lives, who we truly are, because he designed us from the very beginning. He set a plan in place for our lives before the very foundation of the world. And guys, I, if you've enjoyed this broadcast, again, I just want to remind you one more time. You can check out Josh's book, where he chases this question and a whole bunch of others, all the way to your legacy. Okay. Check it out anywhere online where books are sold from Amazon onward. Change on the Rise is the name of the book. Josh, fantastic. Fantastic stuff here in your book. I think this is an episode that a lot of guys are going to remember and going to come back to. This has been Three in the Fire. Thank you guys for joining us today. We'll see you next time. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Time out there. Hey, before you go, if this blessed you, if this has spoken to you, please give us a like below. Click that little thumbs up right there, share, and subscribe. We need you guys to help us get the word out about what's going on here at Three in the Fire.