Manhood Series Episode 4: What is Your Calling?

Most men spend years asking the wrong question:

"What should I do with my life?"

In this episode of Three in the Fire, we dig into calling—what it is, what it isn’t, and why so many men confuse it with their job, their roles, or their gifts.

Your career is not your calling. Your role as a husband or father is not your calling. Even your natural talents aren’t your calling.

So what is?

This conversation breaks down:

• Why men tie identity to what they do
• The difference between calling, gifting, and roles
• Why calling is rooted in your relationship with God
• How to begin discovering what you were created for

If you’ve ever felt stuck, uncertain, or like you’re meant for more—this episode is for you.

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

We've talked about character. We have talked about the battles inside that a man faces, obeying scripture. We've talked about identity. What else is there to talk about as we continue in this manhood series? Where do we go next? How about your gifts? How about your calling? How about the roles that we have to play as men? How do all of these things play into the whole package? I'm Duncan Brandon. Welcome back to Three in the Fire. And again, joining me are my wingmen, Max Mowerder, Josh Davis. Thank you, gentlemen. Welcome once again. Well, Max, we get to hear from you here in this episode. Max has written a book here, guys, that you're also going to want to get. I don't have my copy here in front of me, and I do apologize for that. But the book is has the best title in the world. I've already said this once and I will say it again. The Man You Script. Thank you there, Josh. The Man You Script. That is, okay, that's just a manly title for a book. That just even just the title alone bears that you have it on your shelf. Okay. Um, but in it really in in in you guys, it's it's interesting that you guys wrote these books completely separate. And but a guy can have both of these books on on the shelf and they're not going to cover the same things. It's really cool how that kind of worked out for us here. Uh, Max, you get a lot into relationships in the first part of your book, uh, but we're going to be talking about the second part today, really, the second half of your book. Um, give us just really quick, um, just kind of, you know, you wrote this book and and you broke it into these two parts. Give us just a little bit of that before we dive into our subject matter for today, if you would.

SPEAKER_03 2:09

Yeah. Um, really, the first part of the book that deals with relationships is talking about how most men get established. Because as we've talked about, you you turn out like the five people you hang out with the most. And so as you're growing up and we're developing as young men, your parents, your siblings, coaches, friends, right? All of those shape you. And so in the first part of the book, I talk about that because as as well-intentioned as that is, it's often not perfect or not even close to perfect. Matter of fact, in some cases, greatly flawed. And we accept it as being normal because we we've heard people say, you know, my parents, you know, hung me from a tree, but I turned out okay. I don't think so.

SPEAKER_02 2:58

But I haven't heard that one yet, but I have heard variations of it.

SPEAKER_03 3:02

So I didn't include that one in the book, but you get the idea. So the the thing that uh in the second part, and what I want to share with uh our listeners today and talk about with you guys, is that we once we become men and we've made all these decisions, right? I mean, the big decisions like uh I'm gonna decide to follow Jesus, and then uh this is who I'm gonna share my life with. Then another question that comes up is okay, what are you gonna do? What are you gonna do with your time? What are you gonna give yourself to? Aside from surrendering your heart to God and giving your heart to your spouse, what are you gonna do? And so many men wrestle with that. And as we discussed on our last episode, uh, a lot of guys, when they're searching for identity, they go to the wrong place to get that identity. And just as a refresher, Josh shared with great, great idea telling us about how we get off track there and we try to find our identity in the things that really don't matter. Um so I I would just be curious. I mean, just if you guys don't mind, Duncan, do you do you recall and when you were a young man and you're contemplating these ideas, did you do you remember the the process that you went through? Did it come to you in a dream at night? Did you see it over time? How did you come to the conclusion of who you who you knew you needed to become, if if you can help me sharing that?

SPEAKER_02 4:39

So uh I because the whole process of of doing and being are so wrapped up into one another, I'll I'll start from the doing because I, you know, I've I think I mentioned in our first episode, you know, a little bit of the college background and theater arts and all that kind of stuff. And I was gonna go off to Hollywood and become this blockbuster motion picture star, all this kind of stuff. I had recognized early on that I had gifts of acting, and my mom helped me do that. And so there was always kind of this sense from a very young age that I was gonna be a performer in some way, gonna sing, gonna dance, or do all that kind of stuff. And so I needed to develop those things. But when I got finally immersed into that world in college, I mean, it's it's a city world, it's an immoral world, first of all. So I took a number of pitfalls as an unbeliever there. And that with the struggles that were going on in my own home with my mother and father breaking up and and all of that, um, that brought about an identity crisis of really who am I? And that's where I really began to dig into this subject and start asking the question. And like we talked about in the last episode, that brought me back to who to who God was, because for me, uh I there was something deep down, even before I knew Jesus Christ, I knew God had the answer. I I knew that He He He was He could solve the riddle of the Sphinx. What am I supposed to do with my life? Where do I go? Why am I even here? There has to be a great and powerful Oz who can solve this riddle for me. And I knew enough, um, biblically, I guess, you know, I had I had some scripture in me and so forth, but I knew I knew enough of truth in general that you know this world is designed, it it emotes designer to us. I had a very strong sense that there was God and that I needed to go to Him for it. And so that's what really took me into that whole path of of salvation and then eventually giving my life to Jesus and and Him solving that question for me.

SPEAKER_03 6:53

You know, um you mentioned there that you you identified early on that you had uh a gift of acting and that you were you were able to to be able to leverage that. Your mom helped you to leverage that. And I think that's really important because a lot of times men discover a gift. Maybe they have a gift in athletics and they find themselves either strong or fast or whatever the case may be, or they have a gift in acting or they have musical talent, and that talent or that gift, it kind of comes out first, and we begin to latch on to that. And that's why I think a lot of young guys, maybe even from the you know, the early teens up into their 20s, they think I'm gonna be a football player. Well, I'm gonna be a basketball player because they that gift emerged, right? But then whenever they get into a peer group of theirs and somebody else has a greater gift of that, that dream, man, that dream dies hard, right? Because you then you have to think, well, if I was made this way, this has to be what, and if that path is not the path that God has for you, then that that's a big scoop of disappointment, usually, right?

SPEAKER_02 8:07

And that's really good. Of course. I you so we put a put a little link on there. You're saying that basically a guy can kind of get lost with an identity issue here just by virtue of his gifts. Yes. He can begin to associate, I am what I I am who I am based on what I can do. And this we're coming out of chapter nine here in your book, I am what I do. Um, I'm curious to hear kind of Josh's frame of reference for for starting this. Josh.

SPEAKER_00 8:36

Yeah, you know, uh I I connect with uh a number of things there in Duncan's story and and in the book and and what you just said, Max, you know, growing up for me, um it was sports. And, you know, I thought I was going to be a professional baseball player. And um, you know, and um but that didn't work out. You know, I went in and uh tried to to walk on uh and do walk-on tryouts at uh in college, and uh I got cut pretty quick and that dream ended right there. And um, you know, I in high school um I I started building websites. Um now this was before that kind of thing was cool. Now it's cool if you can do those things, but back then you didn't tell anybody, you know, you're going home and I'm and I'm coding, especially especially when you're a big guy and you're in the gym every day and all the coaches are trying to get you to play football and uh you know, track and field and everything because you're bigger than everybody. Um but uh you know, so uh when uh baseball thing didn't work out, um I I found myself moving to Texas um and and and uh got a job building websites and then that turned into um working for myself doing that for for the last um 15 plus years. And um, you know, in in reading your book, I really connect with um with something you talk about, and that's living in the shadow of your giftings. And, you know, um I felt I really felt like that um, you know, well, I taught myself how to do this thing, building websites, it turned into a career because it was the one thing I knew how to do. And so I started doing it and started, you know, and it's not something I I enjoyed it and I was passionate about it when I was younger, but you know, as time went on, you know, you lose passion in that thing. And it's like, okay, well, I'm not sure that that this, you know, I was just created to do this forever. Um, and um, and so really it wasn't until I got the opportunity to start to start doing men's ministry and and um explore my giftings and walk in those giftings um that I started to to come out of the shadow of those giftings um and get to use those things and and uh and find and find passion and purpose in those things um outside of uh what I do for work.

SPEAKER_03 11:17

The thing that um I want to springboard off of that, Josh, is that you know we we we get we get caught up in our gifts and then we have that harsh reality. And as soon as that dream dies, then you're kind of void. You're like, where do I go from here? And then you find your your passion of developing websites, which we'll try to keep that under. We don't want to get to get out, you know, to ruin your reputation.

SPEAKER_02 11:41

Or maybe you have a a tra a traumatic accident or something like that, too.

SPEAKER_03 11:45

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:46

So that changes the course.

SPEAKER_03 11:48

That uh the the gifting thing ends, and now you start taking on roles, right? You take on roles, you become a husband, uh, you become a worker, you take on the role of something um maybe inside of church, and those roles begin to take shape. And I've had many people that have uh when you talk with them and say, Well, tell me about who you are, kind of like we discussed the last time. And they they give me their spiritual resume, but it's uh I'm on this committee or uh I'm an usher at the church or whatever the case may be, but they're still not telling us, right? They're not telling us so much about who they are as much as what they do. But we sometimes confuse our roles. And this one, huh? So hopefully you guys don't throw me off the show here, but the um one of the roles that we we really immerse ourselves in is the role of father and the role of husband, right? And I mean, it's a role, and it and a lot of guys want to say, I think my calling is to is to be her husband. Uh no, that's a role, and your calling involves that, but that can't be your calling because what what happens if she dies? Or what happens if, God forbid, you experience a divorce? Is your calling over? No, because your calling is something that God puts upon you and puts in you. And so the the the the roles that we play and the jobs that we have, we often try to take not only our identity, but we try to like label that, oh okay, that's my calling. So your giftings are not your calling, your roles that you play are not your calling, and your the jobs that you have are not your calling. Your calling is something that God created you to do. He gave us the the big mission and he explained it in Matthew 28 and then throughout the New Testament. Go into the world, right? And make disciples. In other words, spread the gospel, tell the good news, let people know that who I am and and how uh not me, but who God is and his his love for us, right? But each of us has a role in that, but each of us has been that role is involves our calling. And this may be kind of a controversial part again. So again, if if this is not, then come on with us uh like a you know uh some words underneath me. This does not reflect the view of this program. I I drew I truly believe that your calling is deeply uh interwoven with your relationship with God. I believe that you when you as you deepen your relationship with God, that your calling begins to just unfold. It it comes out like a flower, right? Yeah, yeah. And the gifts that he has given you, the ones that you were relying on or you know might use inside of your work or might have used inside of athletics or in entertainment, that those support that calling. And it's almost like one of those things where you go, hey, look. Now this is gonna, this is a short story on uh my doofus brain. Years ago, back before the internet, or right when then the internet came out, and I wasn't alive then. Um everybody was saying, hey, you need to get a database, you need to get a database, you need to create a database inside of our business. I was like, where do you get a development? Get a database. And people told me, um, get outlook. And I was getting the impression that they were saying, have an outlook, right? Find find a database. I was like, I already have the outlook. What do I need to do? And they're like, get outlook.

SPEAKER_04 15:40

Can we can we pause right there just for a second just so we can find out what's going through Josh's head?

SPEAKER_02 15:45

Yeah, if Josh is like, I just want to hear the IT thought just for a second. Boy, you're stupid.

SPEAKER_00 15:53

He's like going, this guy is a moron. Since then, yeah. Bless your heart, yes.

SPEAKER_02 16:04

And moron's not a calling, though, either, so you're good.

SPEAKER_03 16:06

That that realization is the same as wow when you come to the understanding of hey, my calling is this, and God's gifting supports that calling. And he is giving me those gifts to do the calling. So, one of the challenges I think that most men face, and we reject calling, and I want you guys to talk about this as well, is that we find the need or we we want to make our calling profitable. Okay, God, you've revealed to me this is my calling. Now, how how do I make money with this so that I can be involved in my calling? As if we could only be involved in the calling if it made money. So that's not the case, right? Our calling, he may have a calling on our lives, and it may have absolutely nothing to do with vocation. It may have absolutely nothing to do with career. So uh I'm gonna ask uh Duncan, because I know uh having known Duncan for as long as I I have, I know Duncan, you have done thousands of hours of of work in your calling. Yeah, probably made zero dollars from that.

SPEAKER_02 17:26

So the artist, the starving artist, the poor starving artist.

SPEAKER_03 17:32

So could you could would you be so bold as to as to uh define what what do you feel like is God's calling on you? What do you feel like it is?

SPEAKER_02 17:45

Well, I I totally identified with the statement you made just a minute ago that calling is attached to relationship with God.

SPEAKER_03 17:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:52

Because the the first thing that it made me think of was Paul's prayer for the Ephesian church. Okay, so Ephesus was the flagship church of the Mediterranean world. Um, yeah, it's the first church that's mentioned there in Revelation 2 as he starts the letters, you know, starts talking to the seven churches, right? Um it's you know, it's got its own epistles there in uh in Paul's letters, one of his prison epistles there. But at starting in verse 15 of the first chapter and then going on through verse 23, Paul writes out his prayer, he journals out this prayer that's that's just fantastic. And uh I'll I'll just go ahead and read it just so you you can have it. We want to put to memory years ago, but he says, For this reason, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love toward all the saints, I did not cease to give thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers, that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him, the eyes of your understanding being enlightened, that you may know what is the hope to which he has called you, and what is the what are the riches of the glory of his inheritance and the saints and the immeasurable power, his immeasurable power toward us who believe. So he's praying for their eyes to be opened to something it's not opened to. That's the first thing that jumps out at me about this. And so if if there's guys that feel like they're struggling in this area, I just I just want to offer some compassion for a second. Yeah. And I just want to say if you feel like you're struggling with your calling, you're not the only one. Paul's writing to an entire church about that very thing. And if you get too far into the other epistles, you'll see the same thing. Look at the Corinthians and how messed up they are with trying to use all the gifts and everybody's rushing around. It's dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria. Okay, it's it's just a mess. Um, so I understand when people get confused about this, but but for me, early in my walk, God connected those dots. Now, after I got saved, that doesn't mean the struggle went away. Um, because people do come to identify you with a gift, with a job that you've done for them. And so they'll come back and they they they pull on those sleeves and they want to get you back into maybe a world that you've walked away from, or maybe um some gifts that you okay. Well, I don't use them that way anymore. I use them for God's glory over here or whatever. And so I I I totally get that dynamic, especially from the the world of theater and this world of performer, where you're performing for applause and you're using these gifts and so forth. And then once the audience is gone, or uh once the show is over and all of that, then you're going, okay, what do I do now? Do I audition for the next show? Did I get ready for the next for the next thing? Uh I I I totally uh just want to say I identify with the struggle that people go through here. But I believe the answer is with with Christ. I really do.

unknown 21:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 21:05

Um there one of the one of the guys that we mentioned on our last episode, Michael Cheney, I remember him asking me a question one time. And the question that he asked me as he was inviting me to step into a role that he felt like that I could fill. And um as I stepped into the role, there was a I I wanted to do it. But at the same time, I hesitated to do it because I didn't want to mess it up. Because I had such high regard for that role that I and I looked at myself thinking, I I don't know. I think I would probably screw it up. Yeah. And so he said, he goes, Are you thinking that you want to do it but you're afraid because you might screw it up? I was like, that's exactly what I'm thinking, right? And and he said, It's because you're coming to the understanding. of knowing what it is that you were called to do. In in the world, the church world, the the the word anointed, you have you have an anointing, right? In other words, there's a calling on that. And that there's there's two sides of that. In identifying what it is that you're you're called to do, there's an there's an interconfidence, not an arrogance, but it's an interconfidence knowing down in the deeps of your gut, I know how I know I can do this. I know that this this is what I was supposed to do. And it's the communication that's coming from the Holy Spirit to assure you you have this, right? Even in the places where you're like, I don't know what to say. I don't know the first thing what what to do. And he's like, I'll I'll be there with you. And the scary part for us as men is that God often invites us into these situations that look like you're about ready to get run over by a freight train. Right. And you don't have any idea and he's like I just want you to step into this and I'll be with you. And he wants us to rely because the gift that he has given us or the gifts that he has given us that supports the calling that he's put on us it it it comes from him. He wants us to rely on him. Those gifts are to serve him. They're not for me they're for they're for everybody else. It's to serve God with those gifts. And so the reliance to use my calling has to come from him because whenever it comes from me and Josh mentioned using or or operating in the the shadow of your gifting yeah then I take those same gifts and I use a little bit of the calling and I put it into the the the marketplace which there's absolutely nothing wrong with doing that. But I would tell you for those guys who may be struggling what what is my what's my calling or what's my gift? What do you do in the marketplace really well? Matter of fact, if you were to put all your humility aside for a moment and somebody said are you good at this you could say you know what I am really good at this. This is what I do really well and to look at okay well what kind of skills are causing you to be well at that good at that right and how on a level of you know scale of one to a hundred how much do you enjoy this would you do this for nothing and there are some things that people would go you know what yeah I would do this for nothing. I would do this because I just love doing it. And whatever it is that they do because they just enjoy doing it. And that is the joy of the Lord right and that he is giving you an indication that this is this is what I created you to do. So once you I think once you come to the understanding that God loves you enough matter of fact created you with a specific purpose in mind it mentions in Ephesians that you have a role in the body of Christ. And once you are willing to accept that okay I I have a role and I am I've been created for this purpose at that point in time it's it's going to take courage because now you got to step out and you you start doing things that are in your calling and really almost the first hundred times that you use that phrase hey um this is my calling and there are people looking at you like how'd you get a calling you don't get a calling why would God give you a calling right um you guys I I hope you're you're red blooded Americans and you've at least watched the movie Rudy at least one time. Oh yeah there's a great scene in the movie and the dad is when Rudy is still a kid and the dad's about ready to turn on Notre Dame football right and he says does anybody have anything to say before I turn off this television and Rudy says I'm gonna play football for the for the Irish right and he's just this little squirt from nowhere not smart all that has no way he's ever going to do it right and everybody laughs at him and that's kind of the way that it is when you say um I'm supposed to do this this this this in the kingdom will look at you like really I mean who said that so I'm just I'm I'm curious because I know that both of you guys are involved in activity or involved in work that involves your calling and so Josh I'm when when you are asked because I'm asking you right now if if you were asked are you working in your calling would would you say that you get the opportunity to spend time working in what you feel like is your calling many words describe a man's journey easy is not one of them the masculine journey is not a well-lit highway winding through majestic mountains or scenic woods it's more of a Herculean odyssey a thousand mile voyage shrouded in mystery storm and temptation swarming with monsters battles perils and rewards most menage with no map mentor or compass not even an accurate description of the destination formula for success it's a little bit we're in trouble but you can always have something better in mind from Genesis 1 we begin mapping out every model of the manhood on the sea breaking it down into distinct stages setting light providing patterns and tools for success what men need though is time to study the map with other men help to recalibrate their inner compass and space to chart the journey's next leg.

SPEAKER_02 28:08

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SPEAKER_00 29:44

We hope to see you there um in my career in your career or even in your ministry because I I know I know your ministry very well yeah ministry for sure you know when you talk about would you what would you do um uh even if you didn't get paid um that that's what I'd be doing you know ministering to guys leading them in into freedom leading them into truth being a minister of reconciliation um and uh uh encouraging guys and speaking truth and calling things out um I love doing all of those things and I don't necessarily get to do those things um in in my career in my job in my work um but but God's given me um a purpose and a passion in his kingdom um and and it's it's separate from from what I'm doing for work. Um and uh so I you know I I love I love getting to do that and I love uh that I have the opportunity to do that it was um it was Stephen Covey who said in the Seven Habits book uh he said that if if your schedule doesn't align with your values then you you will never have inner peace ever.

SPEAKER_03 31:09

That's good because you will always be operating doing something that you feel like I should be doing something else right and the stronger that those values are I mean in the world or in society in the business world it's a we identify hey what are your core values and we list them out and we might have 10 core values right but for almost every believer in Christ there are a few values that are strong right and that value those values are going to come from more than likely the fruits of the spirit right my values are peace and joy and love right and those and so the question would be all right um is yours is your schedule the things that you do every day with the most valuable commodity that you have the time what are you doing with those what would you what are you doing with the time are you serving those values because as as those begin to even take more and more possession of you those values then your your outlook on your time begins to change I'm also going to tell you that uh the older that you get the more aware that you become of that because you start looking at the end right the end zone. You're like okay well now there's only 30 more years right there used to be six now there's 30. What am I doing? And it's that question inside of a man's heart that drives him to identify the values and unfortunately for most men the and the reason why I wrote the book was because most men sleepwalk through the first half of life pursuing all the things that we think matter really don't matter. And when people say well what's your calling and then they you know they give an answer like uh I'm gonna be a millionaire okay great but you don't get it yet right and there's not anything wrong with being a millionaire but I doubt that that's your calling God has a calling on every man's life and in that what he he has promised us and you've probably heard this I don't think it appears in the Bible but it does in I in the the ideology appears but the phrase that God is going to equip the called he does he doesn't call the equipped so if I'm prepping to be a certain thing and that's not my calling God is going to equip me in my calling when I respond. And so if there's a calling and let's say most men the last thing that I want to bring out here is most of us think that if we're gonna walk in our calling that means you have to be a preacher or something right I mean how many callings could there be inside of God's inside of God's plan millions. Literally millions what he has called you to do and how he wants you to help move the kingdom of God forward is going to be as diverse as your fingerprints as the dirt diverse as the faces on the screen very diverse right but he is going to equip that man for his calling when that man decides to step into the Jordan River so to speak to use that analogy God says I want you to cross the river and I'm gonna part the waters step into the water right and when we step into the water and pursue the calling then he goes okay and he begins to unfold that and equip us in the area of the calling we want it all at one time so we can look at the end and go, okay, when do I start making money on this thing that may not ever happen but it doesn't mean that it's not your calling God's calling on us will propel the kingdom of God forward his calling on each one of us is something that it comes in a higher priority and and I will finish this. If if my calling is part of my relationship with God then that is the most important thing that he wants from me is relationship with him. And if my calling is is interwoven with that then if I come to him wanting relationship but rejecting the calling then he's he's gonna move me towards the calling and it might at first be with gentle nudges and then at some point in time it might be a little shove right some things might change and all of a sudden you're like well I guess I'm gonna do this and it was your calling all along that being the case know that God loves you and that's why he's doing that but that calling and your relationship comes above any role that you play that relationship comes above your role as a father comes above your role as a as a husband the your role of a father and a husband comes from the relationship that you have with God. It it feeds your calling your relationship with God feeds your role as a father it feeds your role as a husband and nourishes them to be who God's calling you to be in those roles but those two roles are vitally important I encourage you not to confuse them to be your calling he has something else higher there's a higher priority believe it or not in mind for you and it has to do with the expansion of the kingdom and how and how you operate there.

SPEAKER_02 37:00

I hope I didn't violate anybody's um theology there you guys feel like me you guys are okay with that great stuff Max great stuff um guys the the book that Max has been talking talking to us from here today the Man You Script uh once again it's available everywhere books are sold of course um so be sure and check it out he's been talking to us today from chapters nine ten and eleven about our gifts about our calling and about our roles and really trying to sift away some of that confusion uh that that we've all experienced so again if you're struggling with this um one takeaway I want to give you today something I want to remind you of at one point Paul was talking about calling with the with the Colossians the people of Colossae and he says in chapter three and verse 15 he says let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts to which you were called in one body and be thankful. Paul actually tethers our calling with a body of believers and we've touched on that several times during this of course we're called as children of God sons of God of course we're called to a to his kingdom of course we have a special calling on our life but one of the things that the scripture really is great at pointing out to us especially in the life of Jesus is that the place where we primarily discover that is as we're walking with God's people as we're doing life with them. We do it together. We've said it before and I'm going to say it here again as we as we close Ecclesiastes 412 says two can stand back to back and conquer, but a threefold cord is not quickly broken. If you're struggling in your calling or your gifts or your roles right now make sure that you tether in real close with those buddies of yours that you know that are walking closely with God. Let them speak into you let them encourage you and most of all dig down into the word of God it's gonna help you. And check out Max's book because Max answers a lot of questions for you as well. That's gonna do it today for Three in the Fire everybody thanks again for being here with us this is Three in the Fire Sentinel Ministries podcast whoa whoa time out there hey before you go if this blessed you if this has spoken to you please give us a like below click that little thumbs up right there share and subscribe we need you guys to help us get the word out about what's going on here at Three in the Fire