Manhood Series Episode 6: The Real Jesus

Many men say, “I’m trying to be like Jesus.”

But what if the real problem is... you don’t actually know what He’s like?

In this episode of Three in the Fire, we break down one of the biggest barriers men face in their walk with God: a false picture of Jesus.

For years, culture has painted Him as passive, soft, and disconnected from the kind of man most guys want to become.

But that’s not the Jesus of Scripture.

In this conversation, we unpack:

• Why men struggle to relate to Jesus
• The difference between the cultural Jesus and the biblical Jesus
• Why “trying” to follow Him often leads nowhere
• The importance of real men modeling Christ in everyday life
• How mentorship and brotherhood shape who you become

Jesus isn’t just someone to admire. He’s the model to follow.

And when you see Him clearly, everything changes.

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

John 1 begins this way. In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God. But at verse 4, it says something very important for us as men. It says, In him was life, and the life was the light of men. That verse right there tells us that Jesus is our light, our model, the beacon that we are supposed to follow and emulate. We've talked a little bit about in some previous episodes on manhood here, character and action and identity, all of these things. Now we're going to take a closer look at the life of Jesus. Welcome to Three in the Fire. Duncan Brandon here, Sentinel Ministries President, accompanied by my two others in this fire: Josh Davis, Max McWorder. Guys, welcome back.

SPEAKER_00 1:13

Hey.

SPEAKER_02 1:14

Good morning, guys. Excited about this. Um, so we're we're just about rounding out now our manhood series. And Max, you're going to be taking the helm here in in just a moment. And I'm I'm looking forward to this episode because we've we've touched a little bit on the life of Jesus with Arete uh in my first teaching there that kicked us off here. But now we're going to come back and we're going to take a little closer look and we're going to kind of get into some practicals here as men. And I think you've got some great things to say. We're going to draw from uh your book, The Man You Script, uh, and really take a look at at some of those closing chapters that you've got there for us. So I'm going to pitch this ball over here to you. Where are we going to go first with this?

SPEAKER_03 2:01

Well, you guys, uh, you guys have been involved in in working with men and and uh speaking life into them, ministering to men. So let me ask you, have you ever heard a guy say the either this phrase or a phrase similar? Well, I'm trying to be like Jesus, right? Uh I you guys have probably heard that, I would imagine, dozens, if not hundreds, of times. And and I'm gonna offer here that I I probably have said that same thing, but I really do believe that that is a statement that describes uh more of our unwillingness or our resistance to be like Jesus than it does for us to say that we truly are trying to be like Jesus. One uh you probably had the same experience either in athletics or in whatever endeavor, maybe even from your parents, that when you said, I'm gonna try, what that usually meant was, I'm not. I'm not gonna do that. You know, if you had somebody that said, Hey, you want to come to this party, I'll try to be there. You're not going to that party, right?

SPEAKER_01 3:07

Yeah. Oh man, that's so true. With teenage boys. Oh, that's so true. Guys, that was John C.

SPEAKER_02 3:17

I'm living this right now.

SPEAKER_01 3:18

Yeah, I'm gonna try. It's every day. No, you you either are or you aren't, which is exactly, exactly.

SPEAKER_03 3:24

You either are or you're not, right? So I I wanted I want to dig into that a little bit because I think there are some blockages, some of them, most of them mental and emotional, that keep us from being like Jesus. And the first one is our our our our decision to try, which in other words, I'm telling you, I'm gonna give it some a look, but I'm not going there. I'm not gonna do it. And and I think one of the reasons why, one of those reasons is that the mental picture that most men have of Jesus is misconstrued. I I think that the artists throughout the centuries who have depicted Jesus, whether he either before his crucifixion or after his crucifixion or during his crucifixion, usually depict a man that we we don't want to be like. He is often frail, he often is uh with light complexion, he's carrying a lamb or some children. We certainly don't want to do that. Uh but he's he we don't look at him and say, I want to be like that guy. It's not this immediately masculine picture. Exactly in this art. Gotcha. And when if if you've seen the movie Braveheart, where he the ending scenes are are designed to be like Jesus suffering, we look at that and we go, I want to be like that guy. And the difference is the way that it was portrayed. The same sacrifice, the same issue was taking place. But for some reason, because of what we saw earlier in the film, and we see William Wallace being this warrior, a guy who carried a sword and somebody that we would follow. But for some reason, that same picture of Jesus gets hijacked throughout the centuries, and we see a frail, weak, I don't want to be like Jesus kind of Jesus, right? Yeah. So the the first thing because we're so visual. That vision that we've been given of Jesus, the the actual physical vision, it is one that it it we don't want to emulate because those visions emasculate him, and that is like the bane of our existence, right? Don't emasculate me. So one of the barriers I think that comes into just from a an understanding standpoint is that I don't I don't really have a picture here. It's kind of like having a jigsaw puzzle with no pizza picture on the front, right? You don't know what it even is until you start searching for those pieces and you find some that lock in. And then you do, oh wow, look at that. There's a there's a windmill in there, right?

SPEAKER_02 6:13

So really what you're saying up front here is that one of these first blockages is a false Jesus. Yes, yes, kind of a cultural, a counterfeit Jesus. Paul warned about that in 2 Corinthians 11. I'm afraid for you guys, lest as the serpent beguiled Eve, you should be beguiled from the simplicity of following Christ. Yes. So he had to deal with it in his day too.

SPEAKER_03 6:37

Yeah. And if think from your very youngest days when you got your first little uh, you know, Bible that was about this big that had pictures in it. And those pictures of Jesus were not pictures that you would go, I like that, right? Like the one thing that I remember as a kid is that Jesus was allowed to get angry one time when he drove the merchants out of the temple, right? But the rest of the time he walked around very placid, very almost light shining on his face, looking up something like this. Wearing a robe. I'm like, no, uh no robes. I'm out, I'm out on robe. I'll do a kilt, but just not a robe. I will do a kilt, but no robes. So the the thing that uh happened for me, and you guys, we mentioned uh the same individual, Michael Cheney. Um, when I met Michael Cheney, I was 43 years old, and I in my eyes, I thought that's gotta be what Jesus was like. Because Michael doesn't look at you, he looks into you, right? And I got that impression that that the way that he was walking and the way that he was interacting with me was all of a sudden I used that and I replaced all of those wrong pictures of what Jesus was about. And I said, okay, now I'm gonna think of him, and I'm gonna think that's the Jesus. And and Michael would tell you if he were on this podcast, I'm I'm not Jesus, right? He would tell you that. But he represented, and one of the points that I really want to make here is that it's key for us as men that we need a guy in our life that is a living picture of Jesus. So, in other words, we see in him those things that Jesus represents throughout scripture. And I know that that our Father is is exceedingly superiorly wise, so he doesn't provide a picture so that we wouldn't emulate the external qualities of Jesus, but instead that we would emulate the character, the arete of Jesus, right? And so we've got to find a living picture, and it's important to have that living picture so that not just so that you can see it, but that is important, but so that you can talk to that living picture and interact with the living picture, and it will help shape and form your life so that you become like Jesus.

SPEAKER_02 9:14

Mentors are really a part of this idea is kind of where we're going.

SPEAKER_03 9:19

One of the things that I think most of us most of us put in place is this reasoning that, hey, nobody's perfect, Jesus was perfect, that means that nobody can be like Jesus because Jesus was perfect, which is our our get out of jail free card, whenever whenever somebody, some kind of spiritual authority might ask you, uh, hey, how's your how's your walk going? Well, I'm trying to be like Jesus, Pastor, or whatever the case. That is the that's the get out of jail free card. The wild card is, you know, well, nobody's perfect, and we always throw that down to explain or to justify what we're doing or thinking about doing. But the the fact of the matter is that where Jesus mentions in Matthew and he talks about, hey, I would that you would be perfect, like my father and I are perfect. He's not boasting about his perfection. What he's saying there in the word perfect, that's or the word that's translated into the English as perfect, is a Greek word teleos, which means mature or complete, fulfilled. And we can be mature and we can be complete. We're not going to be perfect. That's good. That is good. Completeness doesn't mean flawless, it does mean faultless, however, because I do get a chance to make a choice when it comes to how I'm going to behave, how I'm going to carry out this uh pursuit of being like Jesus. So it's not a matter of being perfect, it is a matter of being mature. And I I think if we shift that paradigm as a man, then because in so many other areas of our life, it seems like we're being asked to be perfect. But if we shift the paradigm, do you think that if a guy knows that he is shooting for maturity and not perfection, do you think that would make a difference in most men's pursuit?

SPEAKER_02 11:30

I I I definitely think that. I think I think that you're on to something with the idea that perfection it it it does, it seems like not just an immediate barrier, but an immediate impassable barrier. And so, guys, do a quick mental math of, yeah, he's perfect, I'm not, nor will I ever be. Um, therefore, see, why bother trying? So it it is, it it be it does definitely become that kind of j get out of jail free for sinning card kind of thing. But kind of going back to Josh's last episode here with us, uh, of doing hard things, uh, of you know, courage and perseverance and and and failing to take to take that step, or even try to begin walking out some type of bad habit, bad character, change that's been going on in with us. Many words describe a man's journey. Easy is not one of them. The masculine journey is not a well-lit highway winding through majestic mountains or scenic woods. It's more of a Herculean Odyssey, a thousand-mile voyage shrouded in mystery, storming and temptation, storming with monsters, and we'll be able to see. Manhood is a thousand mile honesty. But together we can win and step into teleps. The fullness, God intended.

SPEAKER_03 14:51

Right. You know, you said something on one of our first um first podcasts, and when you were talking about how Peter was explaining who Jesus was and his his his masculinity, that virtue that he had, and how he compared that to some of the you know, uh some of the other Greek legends. And the the verbiage that you use is you've heard of this guy, right? And this guy, yeah, Hercules and Achilles, yeah. Hector, Achilles, yeah. Yeah, they were chumps. This guy, this guy was a man, right? And those guys being in that, like almost like, are you kidding me? Well, okay, then tell me more about him, right? Yeah, and and I I don't know, because I'm just a dude, right? So I don't know if this is wise or not, but I'm gonna say perhaps you can tell me. But uh, I'm wondering if in in the lives of especially in the lives of our sons, if you know, because we they are so drawn to the the superhero model, right? Sure. Uh Captain America or uh the whole any of those guys, Iron Man. But what I find interesting is that each of those characters are really uh adaptations of the Christ character, the one that overcomes all, the one that is bigger than life, the one that cannot be taken down. And we we attribute those that praise and that adoration that should be going to Jesus the Christ, and we give it to superheroes instead because we that's how they've been portrayed. And and I'm wondering that in as we as we teach, especially again our sons about Jesus, I I don't want to lower or undify him by equating him to a super superhero. And Jesus' power and his strength were not in his arms, right? Wasn't in his fist, but it was in his in who he was. There's gotta be a way for us to be able to teach young men about the power and the authority of Jesus and let them know that this is a man that you want to emulate. I don't know how do you guys feel about that.

SPEAKER_01 17:10

Yeah, I mean, for sure, you know, you touch on a lot of a lot of great things, important things, Max. It's like so much not only the visual things that we see about what who Jesus was and what he looked like, but the stories that are told. Yeah. There's so much focused on, you know, he was both the lion and the lamb, but it's like 98% of what we hear is the lamb, right, and not enough about the lion. Right. And and um, you know, the when when we're talking about um, you know, we we need we need men who model the characteristics and the character of Jesus and and those provide great um like Duncan said, mentors and people, you know, guys to to look at and look towards. Um but we always need to remember um that they aren't Jesus and and not to not to deify those guys, like we're still following Jesus and and Jesus is is the uh you know, he's the measuring stick, he's the mark, he's the one we're following. But it is important to see the characteristics of Jesus in other men. Um and we need we need to display those. And and when you talk about like to our sons, yeah, we they need to know why those characteristics are important of Jesus. Like why, why is sacrifice important? Why is service important? Why is character is important? Why is courage, perseverance, why are all those things important? Because if they're if we don't teach them why they're important, then they're not gonna value those attributes and those those things. And they're gonna look, they're gonna they're they're gonna look for other things, other people. Um and then and then they're gonna then just like we've heard, all those all the messages and and visual imagery and everything about Jesus, all they're gonna hear are the soft things, the lamb, you know, they're not so we so we need to teach them why those things are important, what those characteristics are um about Jesus and why they're important and and why real men do those things and behave that way and act that way and speak that way.

SPEAKER_02 19:20

It's I think it's important, you know, when when we talk about having examples in our lives like this, we go back to scripture and from the from the beginning is God is is you know He's we're passing on the oral traditions of Scripture, and but God is raising up prophets, and then eventually he comes to the apostles in the New Testament. But God was in the habit from the beginning of raising up men to be his representatives, to be his ambassadors before global powers, before corrupt kingdoms, all of these different situations. He was choosing some kind of human agency uh to represent himself through. And certainly he made appearances in the Old Testament. We can go back on all of those. And you know, here in the New Testament, John says in John 1.14, the word was made flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld him, the glory as the only begotten Son of the Father, full of grace and truth. So God could have spoken from heaven, he certainly did at different times, but he chose to manifest himself in a human form. And there's something about that, about that experience, being in relationship with somebody who you can touch, who you can interact with, you can hear, you can touch, you can go have coffee with, you can weep before, and they can weep with you. There's something about that, you know, of us and those around us, being made in the image of God, being able to reflect Him in those moments. And I it's an inescapable part of our experience as believers. We like to believe, I think, especially as men, sometimes that we can stand on our own, but we are wired from the beginning to have relationship, to be in it, to be in fellowship, and to have God represented to us through other people all throughout our lives.

SPEAKER_00 21:16

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 21:17

Yes. That is such a key point because we we we think that um because of what we've seen in culture, we think that this is something that we're gonna do on our own. And we can't do it. It's impossible. But the other thing that we I think we also resist is that and maybe even so now in a society where everyone has a voice, and that voice can be heard, right? But we're so hesitant to to attach ourselves to uh a movement or a person uh because of the the fear that that person might be found out, right? And then that would make us look foolish. And so there's a hesitation. there and and but this in in jesus this is a proven time tested this guy is legit in in what he said and who he was and uh the the other thing that I think is important here and it it comes from off of the the perfection idea but it also comes from uh a man's nature I I'm gonna offer here it's it's it is my strong opinion that the the men and women who decided to follow Jesus did not decide to follow Jesus because they thought he had the capacity to be perfect or was perfect and that we we should not base our willingness to follow Jesus on merely on the fact that he lived the perfect life. He was called to that mission. His role was to be the spotless lamb that is not my role I'm I'm confident of that but it was his role to be the spotless lamb and he courageously like Josh talked about in our last last episode he made the choice to do that every day. It wasn't a okay I'm going to be courageous and then God gave him this supernatural courageous courage to to avoid sin and to make the right decisions. I believe he had to do it every day just like you and I and make that choice every day to be who God called him who called us to be but I don't think that men like Peter and Andrew and James and John who were fishermen I don't think that Jesus appears on the seashore and he says come follow me I'm gonna make you into fishers of men I don't think they look at each other and go, this guy I think is going to be perfect. Let's go. I don't think so because I think they see in him whatever he has I want that and we can relate to that because there are men in our society today who we know either are thought leaders or they have done really well in business or whatever the case may be and that gravitas that they have when they walk into a room people go that's so and so right whatever the whoever that person might be and we we're drawn to that because of that if that person possesses what we know in our spirit that we lack we're drawn to them because there's the chance in God's way and just in creation that if I align myself with this guy if I'm connected to him in some way then I'm gonna get a little bit of him on me. And I think um Josh you can speak to this because I I but I believe that you and I are of the same mind here is that the connection to have this connection with Duncan because Duncan has Duncan knows things Duncan has some some extreme knowledge great wisdom insight and it's demonstrated in the in the in the books that you've written it's demonstrated in the in the ways that you speak and so my desire to be aligned with Duncan is not because of of the his diverse wardrobe not just inside joke but because of the fact that he is the man of God that he is and I think you know what I want to get some of that on me. Same thing it was with Michael Cheney. I will whatever he has I want some of that and I think that's what drew the apostles to Jesus it wasn't the fact that they right away knew that he was the son of God because that came later. And it wasn't the fact that he was man you preach a good sermon dude I'm gonna go with you no can I can I throw something in there for a second throw a log on a log on this fire.

SPEAKER_02 25:58

I want to propose that it's both at the same time and I'll tell you why number one right there in John you have John the Baptist setting the pace from the beginning for John and Andrew who were there and he says behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world so he makes the announcement that no this is the guy that you've been waiting for. This is the Messiah this is Israel's awaited Messiah and then of course we have you know the proclamations from Simeon and you know as Jesus is taken to the temple earlier on in his life you have a number of biblical markers there and you know and especially for the apostles you know Nathaniel you know hey before before we came to this moment I saw you sitting under the tree there bud he gives him a word of knowledge right there and he goes wait what so there's there's a mark of divinity there I think the reason that they step forward is is both it's it's first of all they recognize Messiah but there's also that human quality as well he's the God man. He is the Lagos as John calls him he's the word made flesh the word incarnate so there is this beautiful and irresistible and human aspect of him right there in front of me but there's also the divine quality as well they they recognize divinity right away but then you like you did allude to this you know that that it dawns a little bit more later on. Obviously you know you got them following him early on with follow me but in Matthew 16 Peter finally makes the announcement you are the Christ. So it kind of has his moment so yeah I think there was this initial of kind of okay yeah that's the guy okay then I'll follow him but then there's also that revelation dawning. I think my point here though is really this is it's the same for us when we're finding those mentors also. Yes you find that that spark of God that spark of the Holy Spirit that fire in the eyes the word in the belly those virtuous qualities the Oretze the Kazakh the guy who knows who he is his identity is solid rock solid to the core but then he's also relatable he is a guy who's he is he looks like Jesus he's the common man he's a carpenter from Nazareth can any good thing come out of Nazareth I don't know can anything good good come out of Fort Worth you know there's there's the relatable and human quality but there's also that the the divine fire as well and I think they see both of that really kind of from the beginning.

SPEAKER_03 28:29

Yes I I I agree with you uh in in the signs that that are the people that knew that he was the Messiah because it had been revealed to them but these guys for them to make that decision to follow I I think like what you just said it was very much the same as with us. We whenever I first met Michael Cheney uh I met him and whenever he said the first words to me that he said they weren't complimentary they weren't like hey you're good you know whatever right they were more they were spoken into me and I even though they weren't pleasant I received them because I knew I needed them. And I think that that part I don't know that that is you know my unique experience I believe that that is the way God operates inside of a man and if if his heart is ready if he can if he can humble his heart to receive correction then he's he's usually going to do it from somebody that he respects or at least holds in some degree of of higher esteem because he can relate to him. And uh I I I think Michael is all of 5'8 or 5'9 he's not the biggest guy in the world but I thought he's a short Jesus he could probably handle himself in a fight uh I knew from what he was wearing that he was a motorcycle rider and so that related and so I thought okay okay but then the things that came out of his mouth like what you were just saying you could tell that God was all in him and I thought I got to get some of that whatever that is however he did that I want that because the stuff that I had was it was worthless in comparison it was empty it was it was prideful it was it was yuck right so the uh the the our willingness to follow him our willingness to become truly become like Jesus don't try to become like Jesus because I know you're not gonna do that and and don't try to be perfect because that's not the calling but you know going back to really just our our first episodes being virtuous having that moral excellence being convicted and the the other thing that and and I can't recall you'll have to help me Duncan but you you said in um in in on our teaching about kazak you said it's either if if I kazak then I'm I'm keeping away I'm I'm staving off slavery but if I don't kazak then it's either going to be slavery for me or slavery for my family. And that has such an impact here because Jesus in fact demonstrates that to the T, right? Going all the way through the cross going all the way through his death and his burial and the resurrection kazocked right and so we have that same calling yeah that that slavery though that you're you you had referred to in the teaching one if if in that situation if I Kazakh 1 Samuel 410 is the passage first Samuel chapter 4. But that I remember hearing that for the first time and thinking no way man I'm not gonna be I'm not gonna bow to that I'm not gonna be a slave and I don't want my family to be a slave. And I think that in being like Jesus that that's how we that's how we stave off.

SPEAKER_01 32:12

That's how we can kazock every day right I mean am I off base here or do you think that that is online I think Max like you know um men men like to be challenged deep down we want to be challenged. Yeah we do and and you know like um John Eldritch talks about in Wild at Heart is that we long for adventure um and you know Jesus he he invites us you know he he invited those guys to follow him um and they knew that they were in like like he he is a man on a mission and has a purpose and and they want and we want to follow guys that are on a mission that know their purpose. We want to align ourselves with men um that have a vision and a purpose and they're and they're going for that thing right and so like that hasn't changed the Jesus's invitation to follow him into purpose and adventure and on this mission hasn't changed. And so when we if we can if we can change our thinking and think you know Jesus if we follow him we're following him into a great adventure we're following him into we're on a mission and there's a purpose behind this then we can get behind that right like I want to follow that I want to follow him into this great unknown and my and and like there's this this primal calling inside of every man to follow along to this dangerous adventure and like that really does exist if um if we change our thinking this whole conversation has been about changing our thinking about what you know Jesus looked like what he acted how he acted what you know like there is great adventure and and purpose um behind following him and and it's not you know what maybe what we've been taught or what we think about right about following him.

SPEAKER_02 34:12

And there is there's there's a freedom that happens in the process also. You mentioned if 1 Samuel 49 was the passage that you brought up I was sitting here thinking about that for a second. You know and he said it was a Philistine speaking to the other Philistines be strong and quit yourselves like men, Philistines, lest you become slaves to the Hebrews as they have been to you. So that that word be strong there. But when Jesus appears on the scene and begins to announce his ministry and really kind of make himself known now you know he he walks into a synagogue in Luke 4 one day and the scroll is handed to him from Isaiah and he opens it and it's Isaiah 61 right there at Isaiah the beginning of Isaiah 61 he says the Spirit of the Lord God is upon me because he has anointed me to preach liberty to the captives he brings it up right there. He's on me to do all of these things and liberty freedom is going to be one of the things that follow and there is a freedom and liberty that comes with following Jesus in the step by step in the day by day in all the just the grind of the day to day of doing life with him and in the practical now doing life with other men of God there's a freedom process that naturally happens. We bump up against each other our iron sharpens iron like Proverbs 2717 says we bump up against each other as we're doing life together and the guy next to me discovers that I'm wrestling with this sin or this temptation. I you know I look over him and he's got a blind spot to his pride or whatever or all of these things. We begin in this process of doing life together and as we do we naturally influence each other by the spirit if we're choosing to walk in that spirit and that freedom it really begins it can happen effortlessly really it it there's we think of getting free sometimes of you know of this thing versus this quiet freedom that begins to happen because the power of the spirit is working in our midst. 2 Corinthians 317 where the spirit of the Lord is there's liberty get a group of guys together that are all focused on Jesus freedom's going to happen naturally organically spontaneously it's gonna start springing up why? Because we're all going after freedom himself and so I I don't think that that point can be underscored enough that we can become more like Jesus just by being with other Jesus guys. We just can't get away from that and we try to make it so hard we try to make it so hard and have that perfection well forget about that for just a second. I'm just gonna get to small group today I'm just gonna go have coffee with so and so and I think we really can lose touch with the power of the Holy Spirit that can show up in those moments and the way that God can bring deeper transformation into our lives just because we took that next step. Down the road with Jesus but it's with so and so while I'm doing coffee.

SPEAKER_03 37:17

Yeah yeah without question um I think you guys um have put a great uh layer of icing on this cake um so I I appreciate that but I really uh I I really do think that i if we can change the way that we think about who Jesus was, our perception of who Jesus was and is that completely impacts the pursuit that we have of him. If we have the idea that he is he was some weak um and you know he he had to go to the cross because he didn't have a choice and we don't attribute to him the courage that it took to face that then we don't pursue him with this fervor like Josh was talking about and we just go along because we're supposed to there's a difference there and I think our perception of him has a huge impact on that.

SPEAKER_02 38:15

There is there is there is a cultural Jesus the Jesus of culture and there's the Jesus of scripture yeah and they are not the same one and it's not rarely are they ever the same they're not the same one. They're definitely not and the Jesus of scripture is the authentic Jesus He is the man that we should follow. He's not just the Son of man he's not just the God man he's the man that we should emulate as our model. I think this has been a a great way to to kind of wrap up this this series and put a bow on it. We're gonna do one more though here we're gonna have kind of a wrap up episode that follows this one where we're gonna kind of take take a panoramic view back and just look at each little part so if you guys have been following along with us and say man you're sharing a whole lot uh and so forth we're gonna we're gonna put a really fine bow on this thing here in this next episode a wrap up episode as we finish out our manhood series hope you have enjoyed this time we're certainly enjoying it being here with you sharing with you and and really just trying to to help in every way you get the next step further down the path in your relationship with Jesus He is totally worth it He is everything that the Bible says he is guys He is the ultimate man. And we just encourage you in in every way stay close to him do the day-to-day life and you will live out your manhood this has been Three in the Fire thanks for joining us everybody we'll talk to you soon whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa time out there hey before you go if this blessed you if this has spoken to you please give us a like below click that little thumbs up right there share and subscribe we need you guys to help us get the word out about what's going on here at Three in the Fire