Talking About...TV On The Radio

Since forming in 2001, TV On The Radio have been pushing the boundaries of music. 

Original members Dave Sitek and Tunde Adebimpe were inspired by Radiohead and released their first demo album, Ok Calculator, in 2002. Two years later and with the addition of Kyp Malone, TVOTR released the critically acclaimed Desperate Youth, Blood Thirsty Babes, an album so full of creativity, experiment and raw emotion that it was hard not to ignore.

The band have released 5 studio albums to date and in this episode we’re taking a look at all of them and the new york scene of the noughties. Gareth and James test their knowledge in the AI v Artist lyric game and as ever we have a 15 track playlist of our favourite TVOTR cuts!

This episode was recorded in January 2026.

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SPEAKER_01 0:00

Don't mind me just dropping everything. No, what I was saying about getting clumsy as you get older, it's like I don't know whether my house is cursed or whether I'm just getting worse. But like, say for example, I want to pull something out of a cupboard, like a I don't know, something to eat. Nine times out of ten, something else will just fall on the floor, even though there's nothing near me. Like I'll try and pull a plate out of the rack, and then something completely unrelated to it will just smash.

SPEAKER_00 0:24

Maybe you've got some poltergeese.

SPEAKER_01 0:25

Pulter geese. Yeah. The animal version. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 0:30

Flying about.

SPEAKER_01 0:31

Yeah. Welcome back, boys. Hello. How you doing? Yeah, all good. Well have we have we started? Is this literally it? Yeah, yeah. We all we're all wearing sort of hats. It all looks like we've all we've all come back from like uh the the championship match of uh an American football game, haven't we? Yeah. Like you're literally wearing a Rams top. What hat you got on use yours a football hat as well? No, no, no. Yours Boston, yeah? Boston. That that's but it's baseball wear, isn't it? Red red socks. So is this Oakland days? Oakland Days, yeah. Although we are we are we're we're a bit too similar, aren't we, today?

SPEAKER_00 1:20

I reckon you should change clothes.

SPEAKER_01 1:22

Actually, we're all wearing green hats. That's weird. We didn't discuss that either, did we? No, we didn't discuss.

SPEAKER_00 1:28

We didn't uh pre-discuss wardrobe. Maybe we should have. I think we should. We wouldn't be in this pickle.

SPEAKER_02 1:34

We didn't we didn't discuss clothes, we didn't discuss if we were drinking or not. I'm the only odd one out drinking tonight.

SPEAKER_01 1:39

Yeah. Because there was a few where you didn't drink because of your tooth. Yeah, true, making up for it.

SPEAKER_02 1:43

Yeah, I suppose. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:44

Actually Millie's got to have root canal surgery on the 14th. Oh she's already had root canal surgery on this tooth, but they've got to have some more because apparently they didn't get quite all of it for fab. 14th Feb, yeah. Valentine's Day. I know.

SPEAKER_00 1:59

Yeah, to treat her, right? I didn't buy her a dent to go for your to your partner. I'd rather go for root canal surgery than spend the day with you.

SPEAKER_02 2:06

You'd have to spend it with the mistress instead, wouldn't you?

SPEAKER_00 2:09

The mistress that is your right hand.

SPEAKER_02 2:14

Madame Palm. On that note, eh?

SPEAKER_00 2:19

There's no comment images.

SPEAKER_01 2:21

Images better better on the uh radio than on the TV. Yeah. Segwayed. Segwayed.

SPEAKER_02 2:28

So you're planning that one all done here again.

SPEAKER_01 2:31

I simply led you guys to talk about masturbation.

SPEAKER_02 2:36

Lord us in.

SPEAKER_01 2:38

So I do believe, Gareth, that you have chosen TV on the radio. TV on the radio. Yeah. A sort of fringe band not a fringe band, but not in the heart, I would say, of what was going on in New York at the time.

SPEAKER_00 2:52

No, I suppose, you know, it's the strokes, weren't it? Was kind of the what it all revolved around. Strokes, the interpoles, mouldy peaches.

SPEAKER_02 3:01

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yes. L C D sound system. So can I just say I'd never heard of TV on the Raj before? No, not got into them. Fair enough. So obviously you had to for this.

unknown 3:10

Oh fucking.

SPEAKER_02 3:13

Old age crumsiness.

SPEAKER_00 3:16

You've cursed me, Jimmy. It's the poltergeist.

SPEAKER_02 3:20

Poltergeese. Um, so obviously you had to do research for them. So yeah, obviously we'll get into that, but I had never heard of them. There's nothing where you thought, oh yeah, I recognise that song. No, right.

SPEAKER_00 3:29

They never really had anything that was that mainstream though, did they? Wolf Like Me? I don't remember it. Like, did he get much radio plan stuff? Not on like it wouldn't have been on like BBC radio, would it?

SPEAKER_01 3:40

But then I guess that's what I'm trying to say. They they weren't, you know, strokes were obviously everywhere. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they were absolutely everywhere. But band who are, you know, they're quite big. Quite big. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:52

I think they obviously got a cult following followed. I mean, I guess if you if you were into like the bands within that scene, you kind of searched out the other ones and you just heard. Because I I got into them because I heard that what's his name, Dave CTEC. He produced the AAS. So that's when I kind of first heard about them, was kind of via that route. And that was when the Dave your album came out.

SPEAKER_01 4:14

When you listened to the AAS, would you go to like, oh, who produced that? Who got who got that sound?

SPEAKER_00 4:20

No, not really. I mean, I I'd always read through the notes. Yeah. I I've probably read it in a magazine or anime or something like that. Again, going back to when I worked in HMV, it was one of these ones that was on like HMV recommends.

SPEAKER_01 4:32

Oh really?

SPEAKER_00 4:32

Yeah, and because they were on 4AD, obviously known for some other good bands.

SPEAKER_01 4:38

But it wasn't their first album, like um we've got to fan in a minute, obviously.

SPEAKER_00 4:42

Um they had an EP before that, didn't they?

SPEAKER_01 4:44

They had an EP before that and then a demo 74-minute demo album called OK Calculator, yeah, which was inspired by it was inspired by Radiohead, but they're massive Radiohead fans, weren't they?

SPEAKER_02 4:58

Yeah, a few of the songs actually, you definitely get the influence of uh uh Radiohead.

SPEAKER_01 5:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:02

The guitars and that like kid A kind of era, definitely.

SPEAKER_00 5:06

Yeah. There's a book and also a documentary called Um Meet Me in the Bathroom. Yes. And there's a bit in the book, like at the time in New York there was this kind of prohibition law where you could only have like no more than three people dancing or something like that. It was what the mayor at the time was it Gilliani or his name was Gilliani. Yeah, he tried to reinforce it and bring it back in quite strongly. So they had to do it.

SPEAKER_01 5:28

So no more than three people can dance in one space.

SPEAKER_00 5:31

So they could start like shutting down these kind of like what they could say the dive clubs so they could regenerate the area.

SPEAKER_01 5:36

Oh right, okay.

SPEAKER_00 5:37

And there was this whole thing of like which they call like a a radiohead thing where they would let the DJ know and they knew like the whoever was coming in, the police or the help on safety or whoever it was, and they'd put on kid A and everyone stopped dancing because you can't really dance to kid A, so it'd stop people dancing, they'd come in and there wouldn't be anyone dancing. So they couldn't enforce it.

SPEAKER_01 5:55

I did not know that's interesting. But was it a New York scene? I mean, I know a lot of the bands came from New York, but you would probably put a lot of other bands into that particular explosion at the time, wouldn't you? Like the white stripes, which they would they were Detroit, right?

SPEAKER_00 6:09

They were Detroit, yeah. But I guess when the scene kind of kicked off, like the strokes mainly, that bands would kind of gravitate towards it.

SPEAKER_01 6:17

Did you get into the Yeah yeah yeah before you got into the strokes, or was it all kind of rolled into one?

SPEAKER_00 6:22

I think Strokes probably were the probably the first one, I guess. Because I remember buying the um was it modern modern age EP that came out?

SPEAKER_01 6:31

Yeah. What I find interesting about that scene was they were the biggest of that scene. Yeah. But I think their music is the dullest of that scene.

SPEAKER_02 6:38

Do you think?

SPEAKER_01 6:39

Yeah, or do.

SPEAKER_02 6:42

That album was just quite explosive the way it burst on the scene, doesn't it? But is the music explosive?

SPEAKER_01 6:48

Is the music anything to get over?

SPEAKER_02 6:50

I think when you got something on last night and that they're very catchy, aren't they? Yeah. Is it sometimes is that on that one?

SPEAKER_01 6:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 6:55

They're quite catchy little pop things. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:59

So I suppose it it wasn't necessarily the fact that it was a new scene, it was more like a pop wave. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 7:06

This is directly after 9-11, because I remember the strokes had that song about police and oh New York City Cops. Yeah. And then it got banned, didn't it? Did it really? Yeah, because they were basically taking the piss out of New York City Cops, and then obviously 9-11 happened and they were seen as heroes, and uh obviously that was thought was bad taste. So I think it got banned. So I think there's only a few album copies with that on it, maybe. I'm sure. In America. Maybe, I'm sure.

unknown 7:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:35

But they covered people in America as well. They banned the cover, didn't they? In America as well. What of the woman in the glove? I think they deemed it too wrong tree. That's what that's that's Jim's uh go-to on the February of the following phase. What year did the Strokes album come out?

SPEAKER_02 7:53

That was 2001. 2001, wasn't it? Sure it was.

SPEAKER_01 7:56

Was it really? Quite okay. I was a young scamp. How old were you in 2001? 21. 21, yeah, yeah. It's a good time. So I mean TV on the radio formed uh the same same year as Strokes and same year. Same year it came out, so he didn't form it, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:12

Yeah, I think Strokes were like 99, weren't they?

SPEAKER_01 8:15

And they were neighbours, weren't they? That's how they met. They were neighbours in Brooklyn. Oh, okay. Old um uh uh Tundai and David Sitek. But apparently they said they only did a few copies and they would just leave them in calves of okay calculator. Just leave them lying around like places where they were.

SPEAKER_00 8:32

Yeah, I think there's a lot of kind of like DIY going on at the time. People I mean people still make CDs, they'd say burn a C D and post them off or I think it was it was on the cusp, wasn't it, of kind of the kind of like Napster thing. Napster thing, and yeah, like MP3 players.

SPEAKER_01 8:48

Yeah. Apparently someone has sort of said that that was their greatest album. Someone has like proper journalists has reviewed it and said that it's probably one of their best.

SPEAKER_00 8:58

I can imagine what that journalist is like. It's a hard listen.

SPEAKER_01 9:03

It is a hard listen.

SPEAKER_00 9:04

You can see there's moments in there where they went to. Yeah. But it's not saying you'd go, I'm gonna go back and listen to that again.

SPEAKER_01 9:11

Or I'm not gonna get to the end of this.

SPEAKER_00 9:13

But it was only two of them, wasn't it, who did that? That was just the two of them, yeah. It was Tunde and uh David. David, yeah. So then after that, what did what happened? There's the the Young Lies A UP, wasn't it? So that's 2003, yeah. Then was that 2002? Yeah, so yeah, then that they uh met the other guys, didn't they?

SPEAKER_01 9:33

Didn't they bring Kip Malone in for the debut in 2004? Yeah, and then I think they added after that, didn't they? Oh really? I think so. Jalil, he played drums on the album, but he didn't join the band until after the album had been released.

SPEAKER_00 9:47

Right, I see. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:48

They played their placement but then yeah, official, official member. The album has done well. You may come in.

unknown 9:55

Welcome.

SPEAKER_01 9:56

Come in.

SPEAKER_00 9:56

Here's your ID.

SPEAKER_01 9:58

As a as a as a person uh like you're you are the band person that I go to when you audition or when you listen to somebody who's auditioning, what do you look for? Green hat. A green green hat.

SPEAKER_02 10:11

Some of it must be whether you get on or not. Yeah. I mean you could have the best musician, but then you get you just think, what a twag. It depends on what you're saying. When they're going to HV, I can't work with him. He's gonna do my nutting or something like that.

SPEAKER_00 10:27

If it's just to do a session, then you just go with someone who's shit up. Get on. Regardless of their attitude or you just get annoyed and go, fuck it, I'll do it all myself.

SPEAKER_01 10:37

It does seem to be a lot of people who did that, like uh like you were saying the um Foo Fighters. Dave Grell did the first album. He played everything, didn't he? Did he's garage, didn't you? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:47

And I'm pretty sure you mentioned somebody else who did all their album. Paul McCartney. Paul McCartney. I thought Jeff Buck did Jeff Buckley not, I don't know. I'm very jealous of A, people who can play in an instrument, but more jealous of people who can just play all the instruments. But I mean you've got you've got to get your mindset into so many different instruments, it must be really challenging.

SPEAKER_02 11:15

Yeah, I think they just then people like that see it and hear it differently to how we do. It's like some weird spectrum thing where they see colours rather than hear it and think it's gotta be. That's how I see it. I just think because I think the same.

SPEAKER_00 11:28

I think, how the fuck does someone do that? No, I know. It always gets me, drummers that sing. Yeah, yeah. Baffles me. Yeah, it's bloody hard, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 11:37

Like going mental, but then I thought I was singing at a much slower pace or something like that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:43

I I know I've mentioned Karen Carpenter before, but she played drums, didn't she?

SPEAKER_00 11:46

Yeah, very good drummer. Yeah. Yeah. Bastards. Phil Collins.

SPEAKER_01 11:50

Phil Collins, yeah, yeah. W we've talked about this, haven't we, where he did Band-Aid. No, not Band-Aid, yeah. Yeah, and he flute to Philadelphia. And he was the only one to fight to Philadelphia.

SPEAKER_00 12:02

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 12:03

Do you reckon it's because he was quite small so they could get him there quicker?

SPEAKER_00 12:06

Or he was like, put him in the hold.

SPEAKER_02 12:09

Well but he's drunk in.

SPEAKER_00 12:12

I reckon he had one in Philadelphia already. Imagine we kicked off that. This is a same rank. Trying to get it in that little case trying to fit in the hand luggage. Nah, sorry, Mr. Collins. So it's oversized.

SPEAKER_01 12:31

In terms of the sound, where would you put TV on the radio? Listening to it from the first timer. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:36

Very like fuzzy guitars, loops.

SPEAKER_01 12:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:40

Do you know what one thing I did for that alpha chuckle, but also like barbershock quartet kind of a lot of like street calling harmonies and in the background loads. I mean, there's a song, I think, called Ambulance, I love it.

SPEAKER_03 12:54

It's just like it's brilliant.

SPEAKER_02 13:00

I think it was my favourite song. I was just like, this is great. But it's loads like that. Yeah. You listen to it, the the harmonies and I know we've done Beach Boys already, it's not too dissimilar to that, but much deeper.

SPEAKER_01 13:11

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:12

But not dissimilar, really. There's a lot going on.

SPEAKER_01 13:15

It's very complicated, isn't it? Like they're really thinking about what they're putting down instead of it's three chords, let's go.

SPEAKER_00 13:22

Yeah, there's a whole mix going on, isn't there? I don't think I could like pigeonhole them into anything. Really? Art rock? Yeah, well I mean yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:29

Art punk, or is that a disservice? I don't know. I wanna say punk though. Math. Math math math math music. I wouldn't have said punk. Do metal. Do metal. You wouldn't have said metal. No, I wouldn't have said punk. Punk, okay. No, I wouldn't have said punk. But there are elements of punk in it.

SPEAKER_02 13:46

Yeah, probably, yeah. Or more rock. Yeah, I think so. Personally. Post punk.

SPEAKER_01 13:52

Post punk. Post punky rock, dance, funk, soul. Soul. Funk. Yeah, I mean there's a lot of funky stuff in it as well. And occasionally hard to listen to. It's it's not the most melodic of bands. They're not the most melodic bands.

SPEAKER_02 14:07

I agree with that. Some of them, yeah. Obviously, after the uh fuck up from myself on the episodes of four, where I got the wrong and I was actually studying TV on the radio, I've actually listened to them quite a lot, and then I've left it a while, and then leading up to this, I've listened again.

SPEAKER_03 14:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:21

I think it I've appreciated more. I think they do take a few listens to get going. I don't think you could play it to someone and go listen to this. Yeah. And I'd go, Oh yeah, that's brilliant.

SPEAKER_03 14:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:29

I think it is one of them bands, so you have to persevere with it, and then you'd appreciate it.

SPEAKER_00 14:33

Yeah, because I remember like really liking the first album, and then a lot of times people, oh, you've got to listen to this, and I'd listen to it and go, I don't get it. But then they'd kind of revisit and like it. I have to say, I I did struggle with the first album. Yeah, it's the least accessible, I'd say.

SPEAKER_01 14:48

Yeah, but definite signs of where they're gonna go. Like with tracks like um Staring of the Sun, which was a single, right? Yeah, that was the only single off that album.

SPEAKER_02 14:57

See, I struggled with a second album when I did the first one. Return to Cookie Mountain. Yeah, I don't know why. I did struggle with that one. I did I quite liked the first one. Yeah, listening to it today, I score I scored all my tracks as well. Scored all my tracks. Yeah, yeah. I told you another time, and whilst I was going through it, I was putting a little note and then scoring it out of ten. Really? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:20

Um, okay. Are we gonna do that then from now on?

SPEAKER_02 15:23

No, no, I say don't expect don't expect it all the time. It was it was only whilst I was uh I had a a particularly boring week at work, and I was can we do like pitchfork scores where you give it a decimal point rating?

SPEAKER_00 15:35

Yeah, yeah, why not? But no, I really liked that first album. I remember really enjoying it.

SPEAKER_01 15:40

It definitely grew on me the lot more I listened to it. I guess because I I when I first got into them, I I got into them through uh the second album and the third album. So I had Deer Science and Return to Cookie Mountain, that's how I got into them, and I didn't really go back I think because I struggled a bit more with Deer Science, it wasn't quite as immediate as um Cookie Mountain for me. Oh really? Um so I don't think I really followed on from those two, so I didn't expand my uh horizons with them. But having listened to that first album a couple of ti a few times more, um it is it is beginning to sound a bit more accessible to me, yeah. And that was produced by Sitek. Yeah, I think he does all of them, didn't he? Citek. Yeah. Well he is a producer, isn't he? He's amazing.

SPEAKER_00 16:29

Yeah, loads of loads of different bands, isn't he?

SPEAKER_01 16:31

He was Howard as like the next big producer, wasn't he? And that was recorded at Headgear Studios in Brooklyn, which is where the A's Fever to Tell was done.

SPEAKER_00 16:42

And he yeah, he produced that, didn't he?

SPEAKER_01 16:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:44

Or co did he produce it or co-produce that, I can't remember now. Co-produced it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:49

I didn't know this, but he was also um he used to be in Jane's addiction for a period.

SPEAKER_00 16:53

Oh did he? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:55

Oh he was on he was he was on their final album. Alright.

SPEAKER_00 16:58

Interesting.

SPEAKER_01 16:59

Yeah, so he he's he's busy. So the this album only originally had nine tracks, right? Yeah. But weirdly the MP3 and the vinyl had 11 tracks.

SPEAKER_00 17:09

Yeah, this is what frustrated me about because obviously using Spotify to go listen to Baxy's albums, they're all like bonus track versions. So I had to kind of look to see what were the bonus tracks. It doesn't say next to the tracks these are the bonus tracks.

SPEAKER_01 17:22

Yeah, because I only put a nine because I thought the other ones were bonus tracks, so I kind of just so everything is in the order apart uh so where you out is where um is the last track on the original station.

SPEAKER_00 17:32

I think that's the only one that says bonus tracks next to it, but the other ones I've got on my note ends with a flute stroke with caller.

SPEAKER_02 17:38

Yeah, flute, flute at the end. It reminds me of a prince song. Oh interesting.

SPEAKER_01 17:41

Yeah, because vocals are quite funny.

SPEAKER_02 17:43

Do you want to hear my quick notes on this album? Yeah, got one quote. The wrong way. Staring at the sun, great song, eight out of ten. Dream slower, like the drum beat, seven out of ten. King Eternal, no notes, six. Did you write no notes? No notes. Barbershop quartet, beach boys, nine. Poppy, weird quartet singing halfway through the song, six. Don't love you, radiohead influence, kid A, seven, bomb yourself, again, no notes, five, and then where you out gave a six. Said Prince and Trumpet, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:27

Oh how did you feel about this album?

SPEAKER_00 18:29

Um, yeah, I liked it. I said I liked it when it came out because it was a bit different to everything else that had come from that scene. I thought definitely, and you kind of just drew me in a bit more revisiting it, yeah. I still like it. Yeah, I still think it holds up, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:42

Yeah, it does actually. I found it I was I was reading an interview uh with Dave Sitek, and he was talking about his musical loves, as it were. He said something really interesting, and I think this sort of maybe plays along the lines of where he went as a musician and a producer. Um, he listened to a David Bowie track, I think it was I can't remember what it was, it was either Heroes or something like that. And he said it was the first uh song that he'd ever heard where he couldn't work out what the instrumentation was. Okay, you know, where you would have like a keyboard playing like a guitar or something like that, and it was the first track that he couldn't work out what each individual item was, and he had to sort of work that out, and that's kind of indicative of their music, isn't it? It's sort you nothing really separates, yeah, nothing really stands out as clear instrumentation.

SPEAKER_00 19:35

Yeah, it's not obvious, is it?

SPEAKER_01 19:36

No.

SPEAKER_00 19:37

So then what happened after that? So uh yeah, two years. Return to Cookie Mountain after that.

SPEAKER_01 19:43

And this is 4AD again, isn't it? But with Interscope thrown in. I always get confused with the amount of like record companies that get involved. I guess it's still with different areas, like North America and yeah, Europe and all that sort of stuff.

SPEAKER_00 19:57

But is this still 4AD over here, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_01 19:59

I think 4AD, Interscope, and Touch and Go. Touch and Go. All involved. All three.

SPEAKER_00 20:05

But yeah, good one. I like I like Return to Cookie Mountain. This good this through the interim, yeah. I really like it. Yeah, yeah. This is the first one you I'm gonna have to listen to this one again then.

SPEAKER_02 20:13

So this was my least favourite. I struggle with this one.

SPEAKER_01 20:17

I think it's I think I guess they've got the most it's got the most standout tracks in it.

SPEAKER_00 20:21

Yeah, Wolf Light Me, as as you said earlier, that's one of the things. Yeah, probably one of the one with Bowie on the one.

SPEAKER_01 20:28

I I was the lover, I think as soon as I was a lover hits. I've I've I've scored that low. I've scored that low. It's so good. That first three or four or five, yeah, five songs. Yeah, straight just in oh, it's great.

SPEAKER_00 20:42

It is so great. Dirty whirl as well, I like a bit later on. Good drums. Good drums. Good drums. Yeah, drums are good in this.

SPEAKER_02 20:49

I'm surprised you didn't like this one, actually, as much. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe I need to listen, but I don't know, I just didn't grab you straight away. No. I mean, to be fair, give it some credit. I listened to it straight after. So I didn't give it a break in any way. Right. So maybe it was I was just kind of too much of it by then. And I was starting to be like, I've had a maybe I should have had a little break and listened to it. Because I did that the next day with the next one, and I liked it. So I don't know if it was just I'd done too much in one go.

SPEAKER_00 21:16

Yeah, I find over these you kind of listen to it.

SPEAKER_02 21:19

Yeah, so maybe it's maybe I should go back to it and listen to this one on its on its own. I might appreciate a bit more. That's it. It's probably that's the reason I've scored it lower.

SPEAKER_01 21:27

Lower. Scored it. I love it. I love with just going straight and scoring. Scoring. Yeah. Um Katarina Ford is singing on this with Wolf or Wolf like me, let devil let the devil in. Yeah. Uh and blues from down here.

SPEAKER_02 21:41

Yeah. It sounds like it's got it has got an Elvis impersonator on it. Which is probably why it's called Blues down here.

SPEAKER_01 21:48

Um and the woman oh, I think it's Kazu Makino from Blonde Redheads.

SPEAKER_00 21:53

Oh, Blonde Redhead, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:55

Yeah, she's singing on hours.

SPEAKER_00 21:57

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 21:58

So they get they collaborate quite a lot. I think, which is quite good.

SPEAKER_00 22:01

Do you reckon that's because of his producing side of it? Do you reckon he's produced some of these bands and like Yeah, I guess so you know, they'll sound good on this track.

SPEAKER_01 22:09

Yeah. But it did pretty well, didn't it? I think. I think you know I think so, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:14

They made the lists and Yeah, it was his th I know the science have got loads of album of the year stuff, didn't they? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:20

I think this Pitchfork gave his second uh best album of the year in 06.

SPEAKER_00 22:25

It got leaked though, didn't it? It got leaked early this one. Online. Did it really? Yeah. I think they sent out early like versions to I don't know. Pirate Bay and Pirate Bay. You reckon Bowie leaked it.

SPEAKER_01 22:39

Yeah, because in isn't the story that he basically David had sent like some demos to Bowie. Right. And Bowie just listened to all the songs. He goes, Yeah, can I sing on Province, please?

SPEAKER_00 22:50

Okay. And then you reckon he'd be.

SPEAKER_01 22:54

He blackmailed him. Probably. Dr. And they said no, and then he blackmailed him. He said, I'll leak it. But he really liked this band. He was really in it. He like he he just said, Can I be on it? And they're like, What? What are you talking about? It's like, yeah, I want to be on it.

SPEAKER_00 23:07

He does that a bit, doesn't he? He used to do that a bit. Did he champion bands? I think he championed Arcade Fire a bit as well. Although you're not quite like those anymore. They've been cancelled.

SPEAKER_01 23:16

Have they been cancelled? Yeah, yeah, hasn't he? Yeah. We're not talking lost is it Lost Prophets? No, what's that? No, no, yeah, no, no, no. It's not that bad.

SPEAKER_00 23:26

No, he's bad. Yeah, no. No, that was that was proper bad. Yeah. I mean bad, but no, no.

SPEAKER_01 23:31

So what did the man from IK try to do?

SPEAKER_00 23:35

Sexual advances, I guess. Oh, right, okay.

SPEAKER_01 23:38

Didn't what what was that guy that used to like Ryan Adams, yeah. Ryan Adams. Is he cancelled? Yeah. Who Ryan for doing the same sort of thing?

SPEAKER_00 23:46

Similar sort of thing, coercive behaviour.

SPEAKER_01 23:48

I was a lover, I have to say, that for me is probably one of the best songs they've ever done, actually.

SPEAKER_00 23:54

Yeah, it's a good one then.

SPEAKER_01 23:57

The way it just sort of that sounds really bad, doesn't it? That sounds like wah wah wah wah. But it does sound so it oh man. Yeah, it's a good one, isn't it? Because I don't often listen to them, but when I do go, oh yeah, let's have a listen look listen. As soon as I hear that, I'm just thinking, A, I'm back being however old I was when it came out. Twenty-five, maybe.

SPEAKER_00 24:23

No, it came out in 2006. 28? 28.

SPEAKER_01 24:26

28, shit me. Um yeah, just yeah, it's good, in it.

SPEAKER_00 24:31

Oh god it's so good. The vocals on it are great.

SPEAKER_01 24:34

Yeah. Glitchy, I like glitchy stuff.

SPEAKER_00 24:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:37

I got into um Toro Imoi because his first album um is really glitchy and dust. Oh that's really good.

SPEAKER_00 24:46

I didn't realise this about you.

SPEAKER_01 24:47

Yeah, I like that glitchy, glitchy kind of dance stuff. Some of it, yeah, some of it's a bit like I can't listen to this, it's hurting me. Leave me alone. Please don't do it anymore. But yeah. Um, I want to say something about the video as well to Wolf Like Me.

SPEAKER_00 25:04

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 25:04

Uh the video was directed by a guy called John Watts, who directed all the new uh Spider-Man films, I believe. Oh, really?

SPEAKER_00 25:12

Yeah. That's a good fact.

SPEAKER_01 25:13

It is good facts, right? The Homestone Holland one.

SPEAKER_00 25:18

Yeah. Fact of the show. Fact of the show. I'm not sure I've ever seen the video.

SPEAKER_01 25:22

It's it's all kind of black and white, people screaming, and glitchiness, and there's a bit of stop animation in there as well. Yeah, it's quite good. He also did music videos. You miss John Watts guy, he did music videos for Fat Boy Slim. The Thrills. Do you remember the Thrills? Oh yeah. Uh Deathcap for Cutie and The Rapture.

SPEAKER_00 25:42

That's another one I was around that sort of scene. Same as well. I like The Rapture as well. Yeah, that first album's great. Produced by um what's his face? James Murphy and LCD, right?

SPEAKER_01 25:53

James Murphy.

SPEAKER_00 25:53

They'd they're they're on DFA, aren't they? Which is their label he set up with the other producer guy.

SPEAKER_01 25:58

Death from Above. DFA. I don't know if it stands for Death from Above or not. I don't know. There's too much going on there, isn't there? Yeah. But this album definitely feels more more considered, doesn't it? It feels better produced, I think. Yeah, I think it's they're learning their skill in this album, aren't they?

SPEAKER_00 26:14

It's a stranger, it sounds more polished, but not kind of becoming too mainstream, I guess. Yeah. I think the songs sound a bit more rounded.

SPEAKER_01 26:24

Bit richer. You know, you've got saxophones on there, keys, drum, like you know, there's much more going on.

SPEAKER_02 26:30

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:31

But I love I I love this album. I think this is so good. Playhouse is fucking fantastic.

SPEAKER_02 26:37

Sort of trip hoppy. Well, that's got a really good drum. Yeah, what's your score?

SPEAKER_01 26:42

Fuzzy.

SPEAKER_02 26:43

I gave that a seven.

SPEAKER_01 26:44

I did like the drums on that. There's a sort of sense of sense of foreboding on that track as well. I feel that it's just it's just a little there's a little edge of there's something happening which might not be comfortable. You got into them from the get-go, right?

SPEAKER_00 26:59

The first album, yeah. But yeah, I I loved this one. Yeah, I really liked it. Yeah, I got into it a lot quicker than I did the first one. Yeah. But yeah, I suppose 2006. Yeah, I think I'd moved away from the shop, but didn't have as much money, so uh I was I was more uh considered about my purchase, my purchases, but this was one of them.

SPEAKER_01 27:17

So we like this one. We we think it's it's good progression, it's a good second album. I think it's I'm gonna have to revisit it.

SPEAKER_02 27:24

I was on on my um this is what the least my least favourite at the moment.

SPEAKER_01 27:28

It's got the bet it's got the best songs on there for me, anyway.

SPEAKER_00 27:31

And it is strange because there was a tendency at the time, like the debut album would be the the big one, yeah. And then the second album would be a bit like meh, yeah. But yeah, I think this was different.

SPEAKER_01 27:40

It's like this was I guess it's that whole DIY sort of mentality, is that you're you're learning your craft as you go along. Yeah, yeah. I guess it was a lot of change then, wasn't it? I guess it is that sort of time where the studios were getting less not less powerful as such, but people were beginning to be able to make stuff for themselves.

SPEAKER_00 28:00

Yeah, I suppose technology was burnt. Yeah, and I guess when you had things like MySpace, in you coming along, so there's a lot more self-promotion and not kind of you know relying so heavily on the record label to kind of promote you.

SPEAKER_01 28:12

Yeah, you could burn like you said, you burn your own CDs, you can do basic mixes at home, you know.

SPEAKER_02 28:18

Yeah, changing times. It is changing times. Really is Bob Dylan say times are a change.

SPEAKER_01 28:25

I like you don't tired changing times. Times they are anyway. Another two-year wait. Another two year wait. Two years, lazy bastards. A bit like our RM did one every two years, yeah. Yeah, yeah. No, every year at first.

SPEAKER_02 28:41

Then they then they started to slow down. But I did do like world tours in between, I suppose, so we could let them off.

SPEAKER_01 28:47

But two years I don't mind two years, I'm happy with two years.

SPEAKER_00 28:49

Yeah, no, I don't mind it. I mean it goes so quick now, then it does it. Yeah, dear science.

SPEAKER_01 28:55

Dear science. You like deer science. Yeah, I like deer science. Yeah, I like this one. This has got the most favourable reviews, right? Yeah, this is the first one. Well, this seems to have done better.

SPEAKER_02 29:04

Yeah, it got a more commercial, isn't it? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:10

But it doesn't sound as commercial as Return to Cookie Mountain. Do you not think? No. I didn't find it as easy to listen to or as enjoyable to listen to as Return to Cookie Mountain.

SPEAKER_00 29:21

This is probably the one I return to the most. Okay. And listen to the most. Really? Yeah, I really like it.

SPEAKER_02 29:28

I think this is the most accessible of the albums.

SPEAKER_01 29:31

Right, okay. For you. I mean I mean which is the most important thing actually, because you're the person who Yeah, that's how from a person who hasn't listened first. Yeah, yeah. What was it about this album that you think is really accessible? I think it was just catchy, more accessible.

SPEAKER_02 29:46

I think it was a bit more colourful, bit more playful.

SPEAKER_01 29:48

You mean they'd lightened up a little bit than I think so.

SPEAKER_02 29:51

I think it is definitely yeah, just a bit, dare I say it, poppy without being without being poppy.

SPEAKER_01 29:58

Because I guess you've got the f I've I find the first album very exper experimental in experimental, but it's there's certainly something going on which isn't your standard four-piece band, is it? It's it's layering and trying new stuff. Whereas I think Cookie was a bit more single-based, and then maybe yeah, this is where they've finally gone as commercial as they're gonna get.

SPEAKER_00 30:22

Yeah, I think I'll agree with that.

SPEAKER_01 30:24

Apparently it was um for the album's named after a note that was left in the studio by Dave. Oh really? He left a note saying Deer Science or something like that. I think he wrote it was it was a big sort of piece, Deer Science, blah blah blah. And they just decided to call it it after that. But did really well, didn't it?

SPEAKER_00 30:41

Yeah, 12 on the billboard. Yeah, lots of album of the years, Rolling Stone and Really David album of the year, I think Spin did.

SPEAKER_01 30:49

Right, okay. What are your standout tracks, Gary?

SPEAKER_00 30:52

Halfway home, I love the first one. Yeah, I like that. Crying, I really big beach boys. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:57

Halfway home.

SPEAKER_00 30:58

Halfway home.

SPEAKER_02 30:59

Yeah, crying as I've got a funky little number.

SPEAKER_00 31:01

Next to that's a funky little number. Golden Age. That's a single, right? Golden Age. Is it a single?

SPEAKER_02 31:09

Yeah, Golden Age and Dancing Chews. Okay. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:12

I liked Family Tree as well. Family Tree, yeah. It's just really different track, actually, that one, isn't it? Yeah. It's a slow.

SPEAKER_02 31:20

I think that's why it stood out because it suddenly like I noticed the change. I was like, oh, this but it was quite good. DLZ. D L Z, doesn't it? DLZ, as they probably call it. Yeah, yeah. That's a good one. Wasn't it made famous for Breaking Bad, wasn't it? I think DLZ. Oh really?

SPEAKER_01 31:33

Well, it was used in in Breaking Bad, was it? Oh, okay, I didn't know that. What did you think of Red Dress? Red Dress. It's funky, isn't it? Yeah. Bit James Bow James Brownish, I thought.

SPEAKER_00 31:42

James Brownish, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:43

Yeah. Good brass. I like brass. They do use brass really well in in their albums, actually.

SPEAKER_00 31:48

Yeah, that's yeah, there's a different funk influence of that, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:52

No, I really like it, yeah. It is a good album. Is it an ideal time to ask whether you guys have seen TV on the radio live? Yes, it is a good time. Have you guys seen TV on the radio live? No. I think you know my answer.

SPEAKER_00 32:07

I wish I got tickets to see them when they they came back than they last last December, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_01 32:10

54 quid. It's it's that it's that that sort of mmm.

SPEAKER_00 32:15

And it was that um is it the assembly hall in Isington, wasn't it? It wasn't a big venue.

SPEAKER_01 32:20

I really wish I really wish I got shot. They'll come back though.

SPEAKER_00 32:25

Yeah, they've not disbanded of those. Yeah. Because he did a solo album as well, didn't he, Tundy, recently?

SPEAKER_01 32:30

They've all done solo albums actually. What was Kip's one?

SPEAKER_00 32:32

Rain Yeah. Rain Rainmaker.

SPEAKER_01 32:36

Tunde did three black bolts, and that was released last year. Yeah, it's good. Kip did Rain Machine in 09, and uh s uh David does uh had Maximum Balloon in 2010.

SPEAKER_00 32:50

He had a lot of uh guest appearances on that, weren't there? I didn't know he'd done it until I was looking at this and I go over to listen.

SPEAKER_01 32:56

But yeah, it was good. It was good. They're very talented, they are very talented, these guys.

SPEAKER_00 33:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:01

I really like them. Agree, yeah. And uh they're better than I've given them credit for.

SPEAKER_00 33:06

I quite like it. I think, yeah. But then we had to wait, we had to wait three years for the next one. What is it, nine types of light? I didn't really listen to this one. I kinda lost track of them after Deer Science.

SPEAKER_01 33:19

Me too. This has a poignance, isn't it? Because um Gerard Smith died of lung cancer nine days after this was released. Hmm. And he'd been with the band since uh more or less the start. I think that really hit them hard, didn't it? I expect it would, yeah. Yeah, because you'd been together for what, eight years? No, ten years.

SPEAKER_02 33:39

How long do we do we know how long he knew he had it? Was it quite? It wasn't long, was it?

SPEAKER_00 33:42

It wasn't long, I don't think. Yeah, I think he I think he found out and it was like less than a year. Yeah, March 2011 it was announced. Oh they announced it in March and he died in April. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:54

Well he died like nine days after, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:55

I don't know how long he had uh you know suffered a little bit. Very sad. But I I quite liked this. I did, yeah. Not listening to it an awful lot. I didn't listen to it when it came out really.

SPEAKER_01 34:06

No, the final two albums of theirs, or the most recent two, Seeds and This One, um, I had never heard until we started doing this.

SPEAKER_00 34:14

Seeds I'd heard, because I listened to it and I recognised some of it.

SPEAKER_01 34:18

Right, okay.

SPEAKER_00 34:18

So I'd obviously listen to it at some point, but I enjoyed them. I did them.

SPEAKER_01 34:22

I I quite like the fact that they called the first song second song.

SPEAKER_00 34:26

Yeah, smart.

SPEAKER_01 34:26

Yeah, it's quite fun, isn't it? It's really good. I quite like that. It's much simpler sound, isn't it? Yeah. And uh more mature, again, ri much richer, and it just it feels like it's softer.

SPEAKER_02 34:39

Yeah, a bit more it was a bit more emotional, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 34:41

Yeah, yeah. There's some more mellow sort of stuff on there, weren't there? They like a clap as well, don't they? Don't we? Or who doesn't? I love I love clapping on songs. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:51

Is your favourite band in the world, Clapping Your Hands? Say yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:54

Uh not my favourite band in the world, but I did like that first album. I think it's good.

SPEAKER_01 34:57

I'm gonna have to revisit that album, see if it's uh it's it stands up.

SPEAKER_00 35:01

That's a good album though. Well actually, yeah. See, I've had this, I've liked albums that I've loved. Yeah. And then gone back to and been like, yeah. I wish I'd left it left there as like a memory of love again.

SPEAKER_03 35:13

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:16

Oh no, it doesn't really do anything for me anymore. It just kind of uh sullies it for you a bit.

SPEAKER_01 35:22

It does. I yeah. You were talking about going to see Clappy Hans Care, weren't you?

SPEAKER_00 35:27

Oh yeah, they could take toured recently.

SPEAKER_01 35:28

We toured in September or something.

SPEAKER_00 35:30

Yeah, I was tempted, only because I really loved that album, but then you know the rest might have been the rest might not be that great. There's a risk in it. Unless it's like if it's less than 20 quid, then fine. But yeah, what did you think of this one, Phil?

SPEAKER_02 35:44

Um, yeah, okay. I stopped scoring at this point. Oh, alright. I'd I'd finish my invoice if I'm gonna do it. Is there any notes? No, no notes next to them all. No notes, no score. Um I preferred it to the second one. Get the fuck out. No, really, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:04

There's some good tracks, there's some stand-up tracks on there.

SPEAKER_01 36:06

Killer Crane, I like Will Do. I really like that. Will do. That was a single as well, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_00 36:11

Caffeinated Consciousness. I really enjoyed that one. You was quite good as well, is it? Is that one? You yeah, yeah, dreamy.

SPEAKER_01 36:18

I've written Dreamy. That's what I mean. Uh it does it does feel just you know, they've got some chimes in there. It just feels much softer. It's good, it's always weird, isn't it? Because when you know, when they have such when you do such an album like Dear Science, which is you know was heralded and everything like that, does everything then feel slightly less in it's never gonna be as good.

SPEAKER_00 36:41

I suppose there's more pressure, isn't there? If you get like a an album that's lauded as you know your masterpiece.

SPEAKER_01 36:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:48

The pressure to kind of repeat that or better that.

SPEAKER_01 36:51

Yeah. I guess they did it in didn't it did it in reverse as well. It it feels like they they're getting much more uh base not basic, that's kind of the wrong word, but it seems like they're much more experimental, much more willing to try new things at the start, yeah. And they're getting a bit less crazy with the ideas as their over goes on. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, it's normally flipped, isn't it? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:16

Like if you think of radio edit or basic and then go into all the experimental stuff later on.

SPEAKER_01 37:22

Yeah, I like this album I I do like this album. I think this is a really nice album. Really different. I mean, there's still elements of them still in there, but it does it does feel like they're trying to do something slightly different. Succeeds. Their last their most recent album, yeah, which is 11, 12 years old.

SPEAKER_00 37:41

12 years old, quirky.

SPEAKER_01 37:42

But this album is about loss and acceptance, isn't it? I think.

SPEAKER_00 37:45

Yeah, it's obviously you know, post the bass player. Post loss, yeah. It's uh sorry. I remember I listened to it again and I was like, I I know some of these songs, but yeah, it's not one I've ever purchased, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 37:57

Yeah, I didn't mean it. The one I did like is Happy Idiot, though I can't like that one. Yeah, that's good.

SPEAKER_01 38:02

And I think this is the first album that's actually recorded outside of New York, right? Is that right? Because this one was recorded in California. Oh, okay. And I think the rest of them was recorded in New York State somewhere. Yeah, and it definitely has a different sound to it, doesn't it?

SPEAKER_00 38:18

Yeah, I didn't know that, but that's interesting, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:20

They're quite a lot of singles actually. Happy Idiot, Trouble, Test Pilot, and Careful You, I think we're all singles. Test pilot's great. I love Test Pilot. Again, starts off with clapping and chanting. They like that kind of rhythmic, yeah, repetitive, trance-like kind of thing, right?

SPEAKER_02 38:36

Yeah, loops and stuff.

SPEAKER_01 38:37

Yeah. Which one did you say you liked? Test pilot? Test pilot, of course. Exploding guitar, yeah. Right now. I like. Right now, fun. Yeah, I've got that. Fun. Fun. Is that written in capital letters? Well, no, actually, fun, but ultimately, and in capital letters, M-O-R. Uh uh. But then I after I've written that, I've then put good.

SPEAKER_00 38:58

Fucking what is wrong with me? Your reviews are worth shit, James.

SPEAKER_01 39:03

But it's not pitchful, middle of the road. It's not pitchful because it's 5.2.0.

SPEAKER_02 39:09

Recurring. 5.2 bit more punky, actually.

SPEAKER_01 39:14

This album as well. There's some punk funky bits in there. Yeah. Trouble's good, Seeds Good, Dancy.

SPEAKER_00 39:22

Dancy.

SPEAKER_01 39:23

Yeah, I like it. Happy Idiot, I think was my standout on that album.

SPEAKER_00 39:26

Yeah, it's a good one. But it was nice, it was nice listening to these two, so I'dn't obviously listen to them much before, and it was it's always nice when you do, and it's like actually these are good.

SPEAKER_01 39:35

It refreshes, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:36

Yeah, I hope they had another tour.

SPEAKER_01 39:38

Yeah, and I I definitely do another tour, yeah. And so as a first time, first time listener, I like yeah, I must admit, I was pleasantly surprised.

SPEAKER_02 39:47

Well not surprised because I didn't know, but I was pleasant. You were pleasant because just for while you were listening to it.

SPEAKER_00 39:57

You're slightly aroused.

SPEAKER_01 39:59

Yeah. Um, while we're slightly aroused and pleasant, shall we go and have a game? Shall we? Shall we? Okay. Let's do it. Let me get it ready though. Because you did sell this in the last in one of the last podcasts. Did I? Sell it in what way? You sold it as like, oh fucking hell, I've got a great name for these guys as well. Yeah, it's pretty obvious, I suppose.

SPEAKER_00 40:20

AI on the radio, something ridiculous like that.

SPEAKER_02 40:30

Okay, so we uh ready for the lyric game. Yeah. So just remind everyone, we get lyrics from the band we've just discussed, and lyrics from the evil thing in the world at the moment. Artificial intelligence. Or as my mum calls it, A1.

SPEAKER_01 40:48

A1. She calls it A1 and there was another boy band. Yeah, that was a boy band, right?

SPEAKER_02 40:52

Um yeah, and then we just obviously you two have got to decide whether the lyrics are genuine lyrics from the band or made up by AI. So we'll be deciding whether and you've got to say whether the lyrics are from TV on the radio or whether they're from AI on the internet. Okay. That'd be your answers. Disappointing. I know.

SPEAKER_01 41:18

It was AI on TV on the radio, right? Is like the opposite. Whereas AI on the internet is AI on the internet.

SPEAKER_02 41:26

I was gonna put AI on the computer, but it doesn't roll off the tongue as well. Alright. So I went for AI on the internet. So leave it there. Yeah, sorry, sorry. Yeah, we we're questioning. Sorry, sorry, sir. You wait till the next one. Okay, right, so the first lyric, are you ready? If love's a weapon, I've been hit before. If hope's a fever, I want it more. TV on the radio. Have a TV on the radio? Yeah. TV on the radio? Yeah. There's AI on the internet. So bad. Another one? Oh take my hand, sweet. Complete your release, and bury your feet, and married will be. Sounds very Shakespearean, doesn't it? Anyway, what's that? TV on the radio or AI on the internet? TV on the radio. Yeah, TV on the radio. It is TV on the radio. Family tree. You force your fire and then you'll falsify your deeds. Your methods dot the disconnect from all of your creeds. And when you read it like that, they do sound very Shakespearean like. Or Dickens, actually. TV on the radio.

SPEAKER_01 42:39

I'm gonna go TV on the radio because I think I know this one.

SPEAKER_02 42:42

Oh okay, you're both right, TV on the radio.

unknown 42:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:47

I think it's off the first album. I can't remember. It's off the first album though, I think.

SPEAKER_02 42:51

I could have stopped you there, it's not.

SPEAKER_01 42:53

Oh.

SPEAKER_02 42:54

DLZ. Okay. We are the network, the signal, the spark. Lighting up the night to reclaim the dark. Dickens at its finest. Dickens? I've changed it.

SPEAKER_01 43:09

Is this someone who looks after you, Phil? Do we need to call them? He's getting late. Uh AI on the internet.

SPEAKER_02 43:17

Yeah, AI on the internet, that one. It is AI on the internet. Well done. I think you're level. One more then.

SPEAKER_01 43:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 43:25

Beat the skins and let the loose lips kiss you clean. My first. Yeah. Yeah. TV on the radio. Beat the skins and let the loose lips kiss you clean. TV on the radio. It is. Do you know the song? Bonus point. Hang on. This could be the winner for one of you.

SPEAKER_01 43:44

I'm gonna say that it's on nine types of light.

SPEAKER_00 43:50

No. It's on Dear Science. No. Okay. Staring at the sun, wasn't it? Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_02 43:58

There we go. There you go. It's the end. We draw another draw.

SPEAKER_01 44:09

Thanks for the game, Phil. That's fun. That was great. Really enjoyed that. Name was shit though. Yeah, it was pretty poor. Yeah, well, it works, but you need to help your game.

unknown 44:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:19

Or take stronger medication or something. I don't know. Um, shall we do albums? And Gareth, why don't you go first?

SPEAKER_00 44:27

So I put nine types of light and seeds joining ball from fifth.

SPEAKER_01 44:31

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 44:32

And then I've got uh desperate youth, bloodthirsty babes.

SPEAKER_01 44:37

Uh third.

SPEAKER_00 44:38

Third.

SPEAKER_01 44:38

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 44:38

And then returns you came out in two and dear science at one.

SPEAKER_01 44:41

Oh. That's a nice little list. Thanks. What's your list? My list's gone from five up to one. I've actually put Desperate Youth Bloodthirsty at number five. Yeah. I've put Seeds at number four. Uh Dear Science at number three. Nine types of light at number two. And my favourite is Return to Cookie Mountain.

SPEAKER_02 45:04

I've gone Seeds at five. Then I went Return to Cookie Mountain.

SPEAKER_01 45:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 45:08

Then I did Nine Lights of Light, whatever it's called. Yeah. Then Desperate Youth. And my favourite was Dear Science.

SPEAKER_01 45:16

Super. There you go. Did anyone manage to look at their favourite musical tracks from the musical albums?

SPEAKER_00 45:22

I said most of them as we were going along. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 45:24

I think my favourite was Ambulance. I liked that.

SPEAKER_00 45:27

There's loads. There's a load. There is loads actually.

SPEAKER_01 45:31

Yeah, and I think um not obviously as strong as um VRM, where I think I think you mentioned that you know the list could change the following day. I do think the first couple, Wolf Like Me and I Was a Lover, will always be my one and two. But I think I'll find little nuggets that one track will stand out on another listen compared to a to the one before.

SPEAKER_00 45:53

It's a strong body of work and I think it is. I really isn't there as many, if any, bad tracks in there.

SPEAKER_01 45:59

And they seem like really lovely human beings. And I think we need more of those in the world.

SPEAKER_00 46:05

We do. Well, hold on that bottom, Michelle.

SPEAKER_01 46:08

Well, I thanks for joining us again. So I thanks for turning up. Oh, sorry. Thanks for almost doing a decent AI name. I'm kidding, I'm kidding. Thank you very much, Phil.

SPEAKER_02 46:19

We're not gonna do it anymore if you're gonna get mics every week. No, we're not gonna win. It does hurt me. We'll just get it. We'll just get it. I am human it's fine. I know you're human. I know, and I've had a beer and I'm very sensitive at this point, so I'll catch you guys later.

SPEAKER_01 46:36

Bye. Till next time. Adios. This has been uh Kiss a Curve production produced by Barry at Backwater Channel Studios, music by Ben Bailey. Talking about is presented by Gareth Norman, James Gentle, and Philip Reynolds.