Sterling and Aaron map the AI adoption ladder; seven levels for individuals, seven more for the organizations they work in, and why the gap between the two is the thing that should keep you up at night. Sterling wants a handful of SMEs building the tools everyone else runs; Aaron argues every single employee should be building and bets on-air that Sterling will eventually cave. They get into why you can't climb past "capable" inside a chat window, what actually separates Claude Cowork from Claude Code, and why a "system of action" is suddenly worth more than a "system of record." Aaron's onboarding lead, a non-engineer, built "Glovebox," a tool that lets Claude analyze millions of rows of customer data and never once touch a piece of PII. Plus: why Aaron tapped out of Cowork in two hours, how Chowly hired its last employee who'd never opened Claude Code, and what makes an AI-only hackathon ship usable tools instead of half-built toys. Because at this point, everybody programs, but no one writes code. If you heard anything today that didn't make sense, just "ask Claude."