The Substance of Faith

Today’s conversation with Robert Jacques takes us into the familiar subject of Faith—something we all recognize, but don’t always feel we can truly hold onto. 

What does it actually mean to have faith? 

In this episode, Robert breaks down the difference between what many of us have been taught and what faith really is—and isn’t. He shares a powerful realization: faith isn’t about holding on tight to outcomes, begging for change, or trying to convince God to do something. In fact, it might not be about effort at all.

Instead, we explore a completely different way of seeing it—where faith isn’t found in all the noise, but in stillness… not in asking, but in actually listening.

So if you’ve ever struggled with doubt, questioned your prayers, or felt like faith is just out of reach, this conversation is for you.

And who knows—it might open up something in you that you didn't realise was already within you.

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:05

Hi everyone and welcome to our Journey to Truth podcast. I'm your host, Maura Jennings, and I'm delighted you're with us here today. This is episode two of our conversations with Robert Jackson. In our very first episode, Robert shared the beginning of his powerful journey towards truth, peace, and freedom. And if you haven't heard it yet, I'd really encourage you to go back and listen in. Today we're going to be diving into the topic of faith. Robert will speak about faith, what it is, how it works, and how we can grow into faith in a deeper and more meaningful way. So I invite you to sit back, relax, and enjoy our conversation. And with that, I'm delighted to invite Robert back. Hi, Robert. Great to have you with us again.

SPEAKER_00 0:55

Oh, I'm happy to be here. I'm excited about today's uh interview.

SPEAKER_01 1:00

Me too, me too. And I'm so excited the subject that you chose, faith. And um, why did you choose the subject faith?

SPEAKER_00 1:06

Well, actually, um, I'm glad you asked because of according to our number one podcast, I discovered what faith was not through all those things I went through and my growing, and uh and I left that's why I wanted to kind of continue with that because it's like, oh, I can get on here and explain what faith is not, because I I dealt with for the when I went through all of that, and then I got custody of my son, and then uh of course I started studying and learning. I I ate up the Bible and any teachings I could find, right? And I had this stubborn tenacity that faith will bring my wife back. And so for the next 10 years, I studied, I prayed, I fasted, I studied everything. And I found out at the end of 10 years, uh, my friend of mine, my pastor, he said, uh, I think you're holding on to a ghost. And then my mind just opened up. I was like, oh my God, you're so right. And I thought that was faith because I I the love I felt like I had, and this new me, you know, the good guy learning, you know, uh trying to be the right kind of uh human being or person for for her and for my son. And I realized what faith was not, and it wasn't it was not holding on to your concept of what you think you want. It's not uh begging and pleading God and holding on to, you know, like I want to be healed. God, please heal me, please heal me. That's not faith at all. That's our mentality wanting something, and uh my mind, my my my nature as a human, you know, I wanted the companionship, I wanted the relationship back and all of that, but that didn't work out. And uh so, like I said, I discovered what faith is not. So I want to go through that, and then uh we have a clear definition now of what faith is and how to obtain it, how to live by it, and how to have it operate in our life.

SPEAKER_01 3:01

Well, it's certainly a big subject, and I think it's um it's a word and a concept and something that people have grappled with for you know for a long time, whether or not it's um, you know, from a biblical perspective, from a religious perspective, even in our day-to-day lives, you know, faith in ourselves, faith is such a broad um has such a broad meaning. So I'm really excited to see what you've got to say about that today, because I know that you're you've had many revelations. I, you know, through my conversations with you, I know that there's gents. So I'm excited for you to go deeper into this with us.

SPEAKER_00 3:37

Well, sweet. It took me uh, you know, many, many, many years, just like all of us. You know, we we search, we seek, we anyone who's on the spiritual path, they want this one pearl of great price, and that is illumination or Christ mind or Buddha mind, whatever your religion wants to call it, because you can't name it, but you want the awakening on the inside to where you have clarity and you know that you know. And uh so, like I said, many years there, uh for many years I struggled with faith. And you know, you've heard all the definitions of faith, and people say, Oh, just pray and believe God with all your heart. Well, really, you can't. The mind wants to, and that's what we do, and that's how we've been trained, but that's not faith, that's man's idea of faith. And man's idea of faith is not faith, it's his concept and his uh his way of uh trying to get to God, and there's no those aren't wrong, you know, those steps aren't wrong. We did them, they got us so far. Um, but then we get it now. We want to get into what faith is and how do you get it? You know, the scripture does say that uh every man is given the measure of faith. So when we're born, we're given a measure of faith, whatever that is. So it's a measure of the substance of whatever faith is. Now in uh Hebrews it says, now faith is the substance of things hoped for, but the evidence of things not seen. So it's a substance for sure. And when you look up the word substance, it means something tangible. Okay, but then you finish that verse and it says, but things unseen. So there's an unseen, tangible something that is called faith. And they threw in the word faith to describe it, try to describe once again something that's spiritual, because there's no the mind does not have the faculties to understand spiritual concepts. And so the spirit brings things down to a carnal understanding using human language. So the word faith means the substance of things hoped for, it means evidence of things not seen. So now we if you if you have faith, you have evidence of things not seen. So you cannot see, you know, just like uh you want healing or you want um a relationship restored or you need money for rent. And our old prayers are always, you know, God, would you please help me? And you know, God, I'm sorry if I'm in the way or whatever. Um, could you please uh help, you know, restore faith or restore that child? And these are okay, but those are mental prayers, and you're praying to a mental God, and which is really an idol, and we don't know that. We weren't taught that we're praying to our own idol in our own mind that we set up and we call it faith, and we get a lot of comfort out of that because that's how we as humans relieve. You know, we talk to that God, that God, we feel good, we feel like, okay, I've not done my part. What else can I do? And that that gets us to a certain level, which is great because it trains the mind how to pray. So uh, and in anytime, if you got any questions or anything, you just chat right in because we're just gonna flow with this.

SPEAKER_01 6:42

Um absolutely. No, I I you know, uh, as you're I'm glad you brought that little um phrase out of the Bible because I've read that so many times and I've listened to that as well in different uh teachings, and I try to understand what that actually means because it's a complicated uh sentence. And to really come down to the full meaning of that is something I think that has to be revealed to you. Um, and your mind can't get it because it's something that's that's beyond the mind. So, yeah, please just dive into that, Robert, and um share with us what you've learned.

SPEAKER_00 7:19

I'm grateful that you throw in that word revealed, because that is the absolute right there. No one understands anything until it is revealed to them. Each person has to have their own revelation. You can teach all you want, you can praise and worship all you want, you can do anything you want to try to get to God or whatever. But until you personally have an experience, you know, that's like uh working on a computer, until you experience the computer and you work through it and figure out all the kinks, you have to have that experience, or you don't know anything about the computer. Uh anything in life. If you don't personally have that experience, then you basically don't understand it and you can't teach it and you can't demonstrate it. So, yes, the revelation comes, and oh my gosh, it's gonna be so wonderful because we're gonna know exactly what faith is before this is over. We're gonna know exactly how to apply it, how to get it, where it comes from, and how to live in it, and you watch your life transform. And to you and me and all our listeners, I assure you, just listening to this message and our future podcasts, just listening to them will open up the doors and the avenues. You don't have to do anything, you don't have to struggle, you don't have to beg. The only thing that you're gonna learn to do is absorb faith. And once we start getting into it more, but let's throw out some scriptures like uh remember he said, if you had faith as a grain of mustard seed, you could say unto this tree or this mountain, get up and move, and it would move. Uh, in other words, is like uh he would say something like uh, Woman, thy faith has made thee whole. Remember the lady with the issue of blood. And if you think about that picture, there was probably hundreds of people pressing in on Jesus, just like our church today, hundreds of people pressing, trying to get an answer from God, but only one person actually got touched, you know, hit touched him. Why? Because he saw her faith. Now, if it's invisible, he had to have seen something invisible. So his awareness saw her awareness, and her awareness got faith. Now, where does faith come from? Do you remember that scripture? Faith comes by hearing.

SPEAKER_01 9:27

Yes, right. I remember it now that you said it.

SPEAKER_00 9:30

Yeah, and hearing comes by the word of God. Now it doesn't come by reading and studying your Bible, although that's perfect steps to get there. It doesn't come through praise and worship, it doesn't come through arguments, it doesn't come any other way. Faith comes by hearing the word of God. You've literally got to hear the invisible, tangible spirit speak to you. Okay, that's the only way to get faith. He said, Faith comes by hearing. We've got to hear the silent, invisible voice on the inside. They call it the still small voice, or uh a clarity, you know, or you'll have a movement on the inside that's so brilliant, so beautiful, so precious, and you'll know you were just touched on the inside by something that is hearing. And once you have that, now you have faith. See, you but without that voice, without that touch, without that invisible knowing, you don't really have faith. All you have is the measure which was given to everybody, which is what we build on. Remember, he said to some, Oh, ye of little faith. You remember that? Now, little faith, uh, little faith literally means it's short-lived, short-lived faith, or unstable, or you're not certain. You know, that's uh that's what little faith. Now, great faith, it means persuasive and it's a constancy, it's something that you're so aware of, you're so sure, and uh it ascends to authority. You have authority because you've grown in faith. And and uh you and I were talking about the centurion, uh remember him? Yes, uh I think he said, uh, you know, Master, my servant is sick, and I'm not worthy you should come under my house. But if you speak the word only, and I'm paraphrasing, if you speak the word only, my servant shall be healed. And Jesus marveled. He said, I have not seen such great faith. No, not in Israel. In other words, in all the whole religious nation of that time, the master is talking to a guy who's not religious, you know what I mean, not part of the Jewish traditions. Uh, and he said, I have not seen such great faith, found such great faith. How come?

SPEAKER_01 11:48

And his faith there, Robert, was the faith that he had that Jesus did not need to come to the house, that if he spoke the words, the healing would happen. Is that what the faith was for the centurion?

SPEAKER_00 11:59

If you could just explain that to the audience, yeah, absolutely. And what do you think made his faith so outstanding that Jesus marveled? You know, I think sometimes we really we look right over that, but it says he marveled. He Jesus was pulled back, so to speak, like, oh my God, somebody's got it, somebody really understands. And this guy's he's probably thinking, this guy's not even a follower or a Christian or the Jew or whatever. And it's because he learned authority. He said, I'm a man under authority. I tell this one to go and he goes, and another one to come here and he comes here. And just like me, if my you know, the one above me tells me to do something, I have to do it. So what faith, and to grow into faith, you have to be faithful. And you have to show that you're faithful when you hear. And see, the only way to get faith is through hearing. And each individual has to have this personal hearing. You can listen to me all day or any other person, and then I won't give you faith unless you have that silent listening going on on the inside, uh, not listening with your ears, but you're listening with a silent awareness at all times on the inside. And you could be driving down the road and be angry about something, or you can be thinking, how can I solve this problem, or how can I deal with my child? And then uh, you know, and you're thinking these things as which is normal. We're normal. And then you might think, oh, well, I don't know what to do, I'll just give it to God. And in that moment, you'll be silent for a couple of seconds, and you may have an aha moment. That's faith. The the moment that aha comes, or that silence, or that clarity, or that you'll get an electrical shock through your system or something will say, Oh my god, what was that? What is it? What was that? That was faith, and you heard it. You didn't hear it with your ears, you heard it with your awareness.

SPEAKER_01 13:47

But what causes that faith to come? Because you in another instance, that faith, that hearing might not come, that knowing might not come. You give it over and you don't get any answer.

SPEAKER_00 14:00

Yeah, and it but it's always there, okay? It's always there, and he he will never ever forsake us or leave us. I can never leave you. So that faith, that that invisible substance, that invisible knowing is always there. It's just when we become aware of it. And the only truthful way to become aware of it is through the silence. And I know it takes time sometimes because our mind, I mean, think about it, 40, 50, 60 years of earthly mindset. And then all of our religious background in that, all the different religions we studied, all the books we've read, all the tapes we've listened to. And so basically there's almost like mass confusion in the mind. So the mind's grasping for anything that'll work, okay? And I assure you, nothing will work. The only thing that will happen is when you can be aware of the silence and enter into the silence in yourself, even for a few seconds. And that's how it starts, a few seconds at a time. Faith begins to grow, okay? And then when you start growing a little bit more in faith and a little bit more in faith, that's when he talks about uh great faith or greater faith. You'll hear something, and sometimes, like me, I I learned the hard way. Like I said, I was walking around and I was hearing this voice, you know, go tell that stranger I love him. And I'm like, no, you know, I'm that's stupid. Why would I some voice in my body and my head, although it's peaceful and loving, why would it want to go to some stranger and say, hey, look, uh, you know, this thing called God loves you? I mean, that's ignorant for the human mind. But faith without works is dead.

SPEAKER_01 15:35

Is that called obedience then? Is that the obedience that they speak that's spoken about in the Bible?

SPEAKER_00 15:40

Yes, yes. Think about this. In Hebrews it says, by faith Abraham believed God, and it was counted as righteousness. By faith, Noah built an ark. Uh, by faith, and he goes on and on to all these different people. It says, by faith the women received their dead back to life. What is this faith that all of them had? It was hearing. They heard something in the silence, and in that silence, they received that knowing, that perfect knowing of something. You don't even have to know what it is. You just know that you heard in the silence the voice. And that voice settled you. It was pure, it was just, it was so calm and peaceful, it calmed all the storms for those few seconds. And so they had something. And that's when that woman touched Jesus' hand and he said, Woman, he he saw her faith. He said, Thy faith is my in other words, he was saying, I know you heard something. See, he saw her faith. His awareness was aware that she had evidently heard from the father. And the father probably said, Hey, look, young lady, go touch his garment, you know, or something. And could you be there as a lady, even anybody, and crawling through the crowd on this dust and getting your hands stamped on and stepped on, and and just you're you're crawling, probably fighting people's legs to try to get to Jesus' garment, how ignorant that pitcher would be, and how stupid as a human, your mind and other people's minds thinking, well, what are you doing? Probably kick her and everything else. Get out of here. You know, but her faith was so strong, right? Because she heard something and she had full assurance. Because when faith comes, you have full assurance. But when it's little faith, you have uncertainty. There's so many times I walked around with that. You know, God, are you sure you want me to tell this person that? You know, be taught being in a grocery store and somebody come up and, you know, we might bump into each other about the milk or something, and all of a sudden some lady or someone may start telling me their story, and the voice will say something so polite and so gentle, you know, or or it, and sometimes it wasn't polite and gentle. Sometimes it's like, you know, I really feel like you shouldn't be doing that. They're like, what? Well, what you just told me, you know, it it goes strictly against what God would say, you know, just whatever came up at that time, and I knew it was not my voice because I got accustomed to hearing, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 18:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:03

And uh so faith comes only by hearing and hearing by the still small voice. But we have to be really cautious here. It's you don't just sit there and wait for a voice, but you do sat there and wait for an awareness of the presence. And when the presence, once you're the presence is always there, the mind has to be quiet to be there because you can't take nothing with you into the presence of God. You can't take one single thought, you can't go in there with, I love you, Jesus, I praise you, Jesus, glory to God, how hallelujah, and God heal Mrs. Jones, and God please help that baby. All of that's mind chatter, and he won't accept it, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 18:43

You have to go with complete um really to be accepting of what comes and to quiet in your own mind and wait on the Lord. So that would be called waiting on the Lord, knowing that knowing that He will answer, knowing that He is there. And if you wait.

SPEAKER_00 19:04

Yes, and expectation and with expectation, even would you say Yes, definitely, definitely expectation and uh it's uh recognition. You wait in the silence, you know, because the Bible even says they that wait upon the Lord will renew their strength, they will mount uh with wings as eagles, they will run and not grow weary. I think that's how it's they'll run and not grow weary, they will they will walk and not faint. Okay, so but it's those that wait, like you said, they wait, and you do wait with an expectation. Now, the hard part is for humans, the mind, and that is our only enemy, that is the only veil that we ever have to cross. That's it. Once we can learn to just let the mind settle down, go into the silence if it takes you five minutes, ten minutes, or thirty minutes to let all your mind, your mind just let it pass, let it pass. Try not to follow anything it says because you'll go down rabbit trails about your bills or about your health, you know, or about your job or about the neighbor or some gossip in your mind. You'll follow every trail because the mind has to have food for thought. It has to have something to chew on in order to grow. So when you actually when he was talking about fasting, he wasn't talking about physical fasting, he was talking about fasting the mind. But we'll get on to that another time. Um, so in order to grow your faith, right? You sat in the silence just a few seconds at a time is all it takes, just a few seconds. And then uh sometimes it grows into a few minutes. But when that still silent substance comes alive in you, you know it. And like I said, it could be a clarity on a problem, it could be the still small voice, it could just be an aha moment, uh, just a jolt of joy or happiness or excitement, whatever it is, because each of us are different, but you will have your revelation that, hey, I got a simple touch. I got just, if nothing else, I got a little bit of relief from my problem, you know, or a little bit of relief from my worries. But something will happen, and the more we continue to go into that, it's called the most holy place or the silent place or the secret place, we enter into that place. And each one of us has to do it ourselves. You see what I mean? You can't go in for someone else and have them uh become silent because you can go in and help them that help every time any of us go in and we get a revelation, it's for the whole body because we're all one consciousness. So it slowly but surely does wake up the whole human race. That's why I was talking about each one of us have to find our place in the body. We all have one purpose in this life. And you've probably heard people say, Oh, find your purpose, find your purpose. And everybody thinks it's a physical purpose. Man, if I find the right job, the right career, if I find the thing I love to do, okay. The only purpose any of us have, the only purpose, and it's all of our purpose. Is to enter into the fullness of what Christ Jesus paid for. That's our whole purpose, to get back to the body that we are. And we can only do that by entering into Him, into that silence, into that Christ consciousness, the Christ awareness. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_01 22:19

Yes, it does. It does make sense. And going back to what you said at the beginning, faith is the substance of things hoped for and also the things unseen. So when you go in to that silence, into the Christ mind with expectation, with faith, are you actually so you're still you still have a hope? Now is the hope in that quote, is it the hope for your own personal um things that you'd like, whether it's a healing or you know an improvement in a situation? Um is that is that the hope? And then the things unseen is the result of that hope. Or could you elaborate a bit more on what those two elements are? Because you said to go in, but we're going in with expectation, and that expectation is for human problems to be resolved. Generally, that's what we would be expecting. Now, is that what you're talking about, Robert?

SPEAKER_00 23:23

Right. That is awesome. Very good question because it works on two levels, okay? Uh, the things hoped for, yes, on our mental carnal level are the very things we hope for. Um, health, uh, good relationships, better finances, everything that the human scene wants and desires. So it's okay. That's what he's talking about on the lower level. Yes, things hoped for are the things, but he said faith is the substance. So we, you know, and that's not what they've always taught it. Oh, just have enough faith and you'll be healed. Well, we know hundreds of people, thousands of people that have never got their healing, no matter how many times they've cried out to Jesus, because he said, you know, in my name, you'll cast out devils, lay hands on the sick, and they'll recover and you'll, you know, open the eyes of the blind. And for the most part, this has not happened. It's because we have a wrong message. We're believing in a mental Jesus. Now we're asking for mental things, and there's nothing wrong with that. That trains the mind, okay? But we have to go beyond that. Now, this is what you what I've done, learned to do. I've learned to do it through Joel S. Goldsmith. And uh more and more people uh, if you want to learn some really good stuff, follow Joel S. Goldsmith. He's he's gone into heaven. But he has some really good teachings on YouTube and other places, and I've bought many of his books in the past. But so what you do, you the thing, let's just say health. You need health. Okay, so God, you know I'm sick, you know I've got this problem. Okay, so I'm gonna go see if I can get faith, right, to take care of this problem. So um as you grow in this, you start to realize, okay, when I get into this silence in the kingdom of heaven with it, because that's what it really is, there's no problem there at all. There's no problems in the kingdom of heaven. So I take my problem, I take my health, I'm gonna use health because health and finances are the main two things uh most people call me or ask me to pray about is their faith, is their health or their finances. Usually that's the two major ones. So I take that person into the silence and I take their name, and I'm I'm gonna use you for an example, if that's okay. Uh so let's just say I'm gonna go in there and pray for Mara. And so I'm gonna go into the silence. And so I at first I think about Mara and her name and the problem that she uh apparently believes she has. And then I look at it and say, okay, that's just in the mental world, does not exist in the spiritual world, has no authority at all. As a matter of fact, God can't see sickness and disease, lack or limitation, so it's not a problem to God at all. And if I go into the silence, and when I go into the silence, I mean I dissolve everything in the physical world in my mind, the body, the house, the chair, the world. I go out into space, I dissolve the galaxies, I dissolve the universe until I'm just sitting in perfect stillness, silence. Well, if there's no human body there, how can there be a sick body there? Right? And if there's no body there, how can there be a financial problem there? Or anything? How can there be wars or rumors of wars? There's nothing there except the silence, the perfect silence. And I wait in that silence until I have the click, the what I call an emanation. A piece of joy will come through me, or or just a quick jolt of lightning, or I don't know how to explain it, or a clarity, or maybe even a word. What if a word came and it said, Well, tell Mara, I got this, and that's all he said was tell Mara, I got this, right? Well, once I spoke to you again, I said, Hey Mara, he told me that he's got this. So that would be faith. You see what I mean? Faith came by hearing, and now something on the outside in your life and my life will take effect. Why? Because faith, it is the added things. See, I was in the kingdom of heaven in the silence. I received faith, and I don't know what it is, because you don't know what it is. The human mind can't comprehend what faith is because it says it's unseen. So you can only see it with your awareness, and you can only hear it with your silent awareness. But once I have that what I would call an emanation inside of me, we're just like the sun. The sun beams out light and heat. Those are emanations. With us, then we beam out of our being the goodness of God. That faith protrudes out of me, and I don't really have to tell you anything unless I'm instructed to tell you. Other than that, I let that faith that I received in me emanate out towards you. And that's how like Peter, I believe it was Peter, he could walk down the street and he didn't say nothing, but his shadow would heal people. You know what I mean? And uh because it's not something we do, it's something that we become aware of.

SPEAKER_01 28:00

And Robert, just to bring this into that's really beautiful, and actually, you know, describing that when you go into the the silence which you um parallel with the kingdom of heaven, that there is no problem. It's a actually the problem doesn't exist except in our mind.

SPEAKER_00 28:19

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 28:20

And um when you understand that there's two different levels, two orders. There's a there's the order of the earth, the order of heaven, and that when in the silence, in the Christ mind, there is no problem, then it's easier to have faith, actually. Because there's an understanding that's been gained that actually the problem is my perception, possibly, or it's uh it's a it's uh an entanglement of such that has created a false appearance, that there's a problem and it feels very solid, it feels very real. Um, but actually in the kingdom of heaven there are no such problems. Now that might be a difficult concept for some people to grasp. Could you go into that a little bit more deeply? Because if there are no problems in the heavenly realm, then of course there's not even there really isn't any need to have faith. So just turning this around a little bit, the faith would be not to have an outcome, the faith would be to understand that there is a different level of understanding that can be gained, and in that different level understanding, there can be a different outcome.

SPEAKER_00 29:33

Oh my gosh, you just explained it so well. Just like that, you just did it, you got it. It's the higher level of thinking or different way of uh of seeing heaven. You have to turn around and view from God's view. He cannot look upon inequity, cannot look upon sin, design is lack, limitation. So there are none. There are none. And like you said, those are our mental concepts, and we bring those mental concepts to life in our life, and we believe them, and then we pray about them, and we're praying to a false God. We're praying to a mental God that can't do anything because it's our idol, and people don't want to hear that, especially polished religious people. They don't want to hear that they're always praying to an idol. He said, gee, the master said, When you pray, enter the silence, enter your closet. And we still have people praying in restaurants over their food. You know, have you ever seen somebody bow? I used to do that, and that shows what level you're on. It's okay, but it just means you're a child. Okay. You have people standing in churches and in public places praying over people out loud. That's not praying to God. They're praying to their idol. You see what I mean? Now, if they have a word form or something, that's different. But to go up and just, you know, start praying out loud, praying like you're, you know, you're holier than thou, uh, these are idols, and they don't take you into the silence at all. The silence is sacred, silent, and secret. You need to be secret and in private about your prayer life. And it should be between you and the one you love the most. This is the one that you're most intimate with, is the silence. So, how are we doing?

SPEAKER_01 31:04

And that's the beloved. So that is um, and and in the Bible it says somewhere as well. I'm not uh very good, you know, at with quoting the Bible, but if I remember correctly, it says pray without ceasing.

SPEAKER_00 31:17

Yes, I'm glad you mentioned that because see, we have an awareness of the silence. Because to to the real actual Hebrew word for pray, actually, it's before the Hebrew it was uh before the Hebrew language. Anyway, the word what meant to hunt, it meant to sit still in perfect silence, set a trap, and ensnare your prey. And that's what the real word pray meant. It meant to set in the silence, open yourself up in the silence, wait for God to speak, and then you embrace or entrap the movement of God inside of you. See, that's real prayer. That's why you can pray without ceasing, because it's to be aware of the silence without ceasing. Even while I'm talking to you, my awareness is in the silence.

SPEAKER_01 32:03

And then you've embodied this way of life now for quite a quite some time. So you started off um sharing that you went for many years with what you called you human faith. And so you understood then what real faith meant. So, in practical terms, for someone to embody this way of living, how has this changed your life? What can someone expect if they really grasp this? And maybe you can give us examples to your life. What's happened now that you embody this type of faith and this way of incorporating faith into your day-to-day life?

SPEAKER_00 32:42

Well, I can say for sure that I don't really want or ask or care for anything in the physical mental world anymore. But now they're the added things. Things just seem to flow right to me sometimes. Different car, new car, whatever you need. You know, if you need a little money to pay this or you need that, they just flow. And I don't ask for them. I don't ask God for anything because I know he already knows. And that's my understanding. Hey, when I go to prayer, I'm like, hey, you already know. You know, if Mara says pray, I go to him and say, Hey, you already know, right? Yeah, yeah, I know. And so I sit in the silence and wait to see what he has to say. And see, that's a silent communion and and the the joy and the growth that comes out of that. Uh, so my daily life, day to day, almost all day long, I don't care if I'm talking to dad, messing with the dogs, talking on the phone, there's a greater awareness in the silence, waiting, even while I'm communicating or doing my chores or playing or driving. There's an overwhelming awareness to where my thoughts are almost non-existent anymore. Because the more you go into the silent, the more your thoughts get distance and distance, the more this world just seems to fade. And you're not really aware of the world as much as you're aware of the silence, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 33:51

Sounds like a beautiful place to be. And um, in terms of that, it it's sort of the two things that people, you know, suffer with is doubt and confusion. And so they would lessen definitely. You would have less doubt, you would have less confusion. And this is the the the the is this the peace that then that surpasses all understanding.

SPEAKER_00 34:16

Yes, and that's the only place to find it, see. And people are waiting for Jesus to come bring it to them. Well, he's already put it out there, and all you have to do is enter into it, but we don't, you know, because we're so busy, so confused, so mass confusion going on in the brain, like I was my whole life. You've seen all my struggles and things I went through. I was in World War, I was in Battle of Armageddon for so many years. And uh, but every time I entered the silence, a little bit of that war went away and went away and went away. And then one day I entered into that rest when I turned around and I started viewing scripture from a different view, the holy view, the silent view. Oh my gosh. Uh, you talk, yeah, talk about a peace that surpasses everything, and a peace that now you refuse to give up. You know, I don't care what kind of chaos is going on, what wars uh take anything, do anything, it doesn't matter. There's a greater peace, a greater love that we can all have. Faith comes by hearing. You have to personally find a few seconds every now and then, into a few minutes, a few hours, whatever it takes, until you hear that voice. From that moment forward, you will always hear that voice. Because once you get a deep taste of it, nothing else matters. You want more, you want more, and you want more. And then one day I think that uh we just become so much like him, or he becomes so much like us that we really don't die. We could probably just walk right into heaven and say, Hey, how's it going, brother? You know, because because Jesus reached that point, he could lay it down or pick it up, and we probably should be able to do that too.

SPEAKER_01 35:45

Brilliant. And so just before we close here, um what would be your closing words for somebody who really wanted to, you know, um enter into this silence? Um, how how could they do it? What would you say is those simple in one or two sentences, just the simple steps to incorporate this daily and what to expect?

SPEAKER_00 36:12

Right. Uh I would say listen to this podcast a couple of times, try to understand that it is the silence. If your mind is massively confused like mine was, if you can find one or two seconds, you don't have to sit down and do an all-day breathing, you don't have to do any breathing techniques. All of those are actually they're good to help your mind calm down, but they're not necessary. There's nothing necessary except try to realize Jesus did it all, it's all done, and it's in the silence. If I can just reach that silence, and I would say just listen with your awareness the best you can.

SPEAKER_01 36:45

Fantastic. Well, that is really great. It's a totally different um way of praying than you know the religious, you know, mindsets and institutions have told us. So it's a way of um just being still, understanding that it's all done. And maybe we can go into that another time, you know, that message of Jesus, it's done. And uh that can be we can delve into that a little bit more, and just in the assurance that it's done and that whatever you wish for, the father knows it's known and all will come to pass. Robert, thank you so so very much for today. Um, I'm excited to see where we go next into our next episode, but this was a beautiful one, and I think it's a very it's a very good grounding to start with that we all need. So I really want to say thank you so much for sharing that with us. And we thank you too. Yeah, we look forward to our next our next conversation.

SPEAKER_00 37:43

All right, and I hope this one is called The Substance of Faith. How's that?

SPEAKER_01 37:47

Okay, that's gonna be the name of this conversation. The substance of faith. Thank you very much, Robert. See you guys, and we'll see you on the next podcast. Bye-bye. Bye-bye.